WEBVTT 00:00:05.249 --> 00:00:07.469 Welcome, welcome to Round Trip Death, everybody. 00:00:07.650 --> 00:00:10.310 We have a very special guest today. This is going 00:00:10.310 --> 00:00:13.769 to be fun. Amber Kasich, who's coming to us from 00:00:13.769 --> 00:00:16.690 Michigan in the United States. Just a little 00:00:16.690 --> 00:00:19.690 bit of a heads up. As our listeners know, normally 00:00:19.690 --> 00:00:22.629 on the show, we're talking about the traditional 00:00:22.629 --> 00:00:26.050 kinds of near -death experiences where somebody 00:00:26.050 --> 00:00:30.059 dies. go to the other side, have an experience, 00:00:30.239 --> 00:00:33.179 come back, talk about it. But sometimes we get 00:00:33.179 --> 00:00:35.119 into things that are related to that a little 00:00:35.119 --> 00:00:37.399 bit. Today we're going to be talking about a 00:00:37.399 --> 00:00:41.520 really special shared death experience that Amber 00:00:41.520 --> 00:00:43.659 had and I don't want to give away any more of 00:00:43.659 --> 00:00:46.740 it than that. But hi Amber, good morning. Hi, 00:00:46.859 --> 00:00:49.579 good morning. Good to see you. It's good to see 00:00:49.579 --> 00:00:52.159 you. Before we jump in, tell us just a little 00:00:52.159 --> 00:00:55.250 bit about you so we can get to know you. Oh, 00:00:55.329 --> 00:00:57.810 sure. Well, hello, everybody. Hello, listeners. 00:00:58.270 --> 00:01:01.310 Hello, Eric. Again, my name is Amber Kasich. 00:01:02.170 --> 00:01:05.989 I am, gosh, I don't know, your everyday person 00:01:05.989 --> 00:01:10.510 in many ways. A wife, a mom has spent 20 years 00:01:10.510 --> 00:01:15.650 in education, 15 as a teacher, and then five 00:01:15.650 --> 00:01:18.510 years, and I still do a little bit of educational 00:01:18.510 --> 00:01:24.859 consulting. But in 2020, life just drastically 00:01:24.859 --> 00:01:29.099 transformed with my dad's passing and I now also 00:01:29.099 --> 00:01:32.939 serve as an evidential medium as well as an end 00:01:32.939 --> 00:01:36.459 -of -life coach. I have a real passion for this 00:01:36.459 --> 00:01:40.560 sacred transition of death and dying and I work 00:01:40.560 --> 00:01:43.420 as a research intern in a volunteer capacity 00:01:43.420 --> 00:01:47.239 as well with the Shared Crossing Project and 00:01:47.239 --> 00:01:50.400 they do a lot of work with shared death experiences 00:01:50.400 --> 00:01:53.620 similar to what I have. We've had people on the 00:01:53.620 --> 00:01:56.859 show that explained what they do as being a death 00:01:56.859 --> 00:01:59.900 doula What is the difference between that and 00:01:59.900 --> 00:02:03.359 an end -of -life coach? They sound the same Mm 00:02:03.359 --> 00:02:07.019 -hmm. It is very similar with the exception that 00:02:07.019 --> 00:02:10.639 I may not always be working with clients that 00:02:10.639 --> 00:02:14.319 live near me and may not be able to really accompany 00:02:14.319 --> 00:02:18.219 them at bedside per se and there's a little bit 00:02:18.219 --> 00:02:24.840 more of a I'll call it just holistic well -being 00:02:24.840 --> 00:02:29.259 preparation phase that happens well ahead of 00:02:29.259 --> 00:02:32.960 time of those last weeks and days of someone's 00:02:32.960 --> 00:02:36.120 life. And that's really where my focus is while 00:02:36.120 --> 00:02:38.740 I do sometimes support people at bedside, but 00:02:38.740 --> 00:02:42.219 also I'm really looking to just support people 00:02:42.219 --> 00:02:46.069 with their wellness and their well -being across 00:02:46.069 --> 00:02:49.610 five domains, physical, practical, emotional, 00:02:50.150 --> 00:02:52.830 spiritual, as they prepare for that passing. 00:02:53.169 --> 00:02:55.270 And so there's a lot of work we're doing together 00:02:55.270 --> 00:02:58.110 well before they even get to that actual passing. 00:02:58.689 --> 00:03:02.330 So maybe a few weeks or so before they pass over? 00:03:02.909 --> 00:03:07.569 Months even. And I have clients that are not 00:03:07.569 --> 00:03:11.729 terminally ill, but are also Just sort of preparing 00:03:11.729 --> 00:03:14.810 again for that sacred transition their wishes 00:03:14.810 --> 00:03:17.189 their desires How might they communicate that 00:03:17.189 --> 00:03:21.050 and also it's it's a very life -affirming process 00:03:21.050 --> 00:03:24.969 I've gone through it myself and in a way it just 00:03:24.969 --> 00:03:29.310 affirms who we are Celebrating our life's meaning 00:03:29.310 --> 00:03:33.150 in some cases helping just declare that meaning 00:03:33.150 --> 00:03:37.150 in the present moment what has been but also 00:03:37.150 --> 00:03:41.159 for the future for those that again, are not 00:03:41.159 --> 00:03:45.280 necessarily at end of life. I know so many of 00:03:45.280 --> 00:03:47.879 us are uncomfortable talking about end of life, 00:03:47.939 --> 00:03:52.080 but guess what? We're all terminal in some way 00:03:52.080 --> 00:03:54.860 or another. It may be a month or it may be 50 00:03:54.860 --> 00:03:57.520 years or a hundred years, but we're all terminal 00:03:57.520 --> 00:03:59.919 in some way. We're not going to be here forever. 00:04:00.360 --> 00:04:02.919 All right, let's talk about your father a little 00:04:02.919 --> 00:04:06.340 bit. What was going on with his health and how 00:04:06.340 --> 00:04:09.849 were you involved with it? Sure. Well, it's a 00:04:09.849 --> 00:04:12.069 good lead -in actually because I'll have to tell 00:04:12.069 --> 00:04:16.689 you that I fully was in that place of not wanting 00:04:16.689 --> 00:04:21.050 to really think about necessarily talk about 00:04:21.050 --> 00:04:24.089 or knowing how to deal with my dad's upcoming 00:04:24.089 --> 00:04:27.329 passing when he was terminally ill. I suffered 00:04:27.329 --> 00:04:32.990 a lot in private and on my own mostly in preparing 00:04:32.990 --> 00:04:37.290 for my dad's passing. He passed on November 1st 00:04:37.290 --> 00:04:41.829 of 2020 and had about a nine month prior to that 00:04:41.829 --> 00:04:44.490 terminal diagnosis, although his cancer journey 00:04:44.490 --> 00:04:48.050 was a few years long. But once that terminal 00:04:48.050 --> 00:04:51.470 diagnosis was in place, really that day that 00:04:51.470 --> 00:04:55.370 we received that was the day after Memorial Day, 00:04:55.990 --> 00:04:59.250 maybe one of the hardest days of my life. In 00:04:59.250 --> 00:05:04.310 part because I went really into this trauma kind 00:05:04.310 --> 00:05:07.990 of freeze response, not knowing how or what I 00:05:07.990 --> 00:05:11.230 was going to do. And I think the worst part for 00:05:11.230 --> 00:05:14.910 me was thinking about how was I going to control 00:05:14.910 --> 00:05:20.209 suffering. My dad's mine. And I felt that I was 00:05:20.209 --> 00:05:23.589 about to sign up for months and months in a process 00:05:23.589 --> 00:05:27.970 of pure suffering. And it made me feel stuck. 00:05:28.389 --> 00:05:33.870 And that also impacted The ways in which I related 00:05:33.870 --> 00:05:38.670 to my dad at times as a quick example He would 00:05:38.670 --> 00:05:42.149 send me these sort of goofy emails almost every 00:05:42.149 --> 00:05:45.310 day with animal videos and just things to kind 00:05:45.310 --> 00:05:49.610 of make you laugh and roll your eyes There came 00:05:49.610 --> 00:05:53.769 a point where I stopped opening them and I remember 00:05:53.769 --> 00:05:56.069 one day my dad asked me Hey, did you see that 00:05:56.069 --> 00:05:57.949 video? I sent you this morning and I say, you 00:05:57.949 --> 00:06:02.029 know dad I'm saving these because I want to have 00:06:02.029 --> 00:06:05.810 them for years. And what I was saying was I was 00:06:05.810 --> 00:06:09.750 trying to keep him in the future in a time and 00:06:09.750 --> 00:06:13.610 space when I couldn't. And looking back now, 00:06:13.629 --> 00:06:17.110 after all that I've experienced, I so wish there 00:06:17.110 --> 00:06:20.069 are certain things that I could take back. And 00:06:20.069 --> 00:06:23.449 one of them is not reveling in the present moment 00:06:23.449 --> 00:06:26.310 with my dad. He just wanted to connect with me. 00:06:26.490 --> 00:06:29.480 He wanted to share a laugh with me. He wanted 00:06:29.480 --> 00:06:32.920 to not be bothered by his troubles when he was 00:06:32.920 --> 00:06:35.000 with me and kind of deal with them in his own 00:06:35.000 --> 00:06:38.339 space. And that was a missed opportunity in that 00:06:38.339 --> 00:06:44.180 way. And now that I really experienced his transition, 00:06:45.040 --> 00:06:47.600 it felt it even in the moment, I would call it 00:06:47.600 --> 00:06:52.560 as sacred. Intuitively I felt it was my task, 00:06:52.920 --> 00:06:55.600 my sole mission to guide him into passing. This 00:06:55.600 --> 00:06:57.839 wasn't a decision I had before. It just sort 00:06:57.839 --> 00:07:01.220 of happened in the moment. I began to see again 00:07:01.220 --> 00:07:05.139 just the sacredness of this and it was simultaneously 00:07:05.139 --> 00:07:10.180 the most painful and beautiful truly experience 00:07:10.180 --> 00:07:13.420 of my life. Being with him and being able to 00:07:13.420 --> 00:07:16.519 support him in his passing. And so I look back 00:07:16.519 --> 00:07:19.740 now and just think about where my emotional state 00:07:19.740 --> 00:07:23.199 was before his passing, how I view death and 00:07:23.199 --> 00:07:28.259 dying now. And we have so much to learn about 00:07:28.259 --> 00:07:31.220 the beauty, the love, and the sacredness that 00:07:31.220 --> 00:07:35.800 is offered to us in our own passing and by accompanying 00:07:35.800 --> 00:07:38.439 people through theirs, not even in a formal capacity 00:07:38.439 --> 00:07:41.339 as a family member, as just a person of care 00:07:41.339 --> 00:07:44.720 and love. Compared to a lot of people in your 00:07:44.720 --> 00:07:49.160 situation, you had an unusually spiritual experience. 00:07:49.699 --> 00:07:54.000 I did. Almost going with him in some ways. Why 00:07:54.000 --> 00:07:56.720 don't you get into all of that? Yeah, I will. 00:07:57.160 --> 00:08:00.139 That's that shared death experience piece. The 00:08:00.139 --> 00:08:02.500 shared death experience and its definition might 00:08:02.500 --> 00:08:05.220 be a little bit more common than people acknowledge. 00:08:05.360 --> 00:08:07.779 I had not even heard that term before until about 00:08:07.779 --> 00:08:10.750 a year after my experience. But I will just take 00:08:10.750 --> 00:08:14.110 a quick second to say that even without that, 00:08:14.550 --> 00:08:18.470 all of the moments in my normalcy leading up 00:08:18.470 --> 00:08:21.550 to that and being with him and feeling this intuitive 00:08:21.550 --> 00:08:24.550 call to support him in peace and guidance was 00:08:24.550 --> 00:08:26.870 really a gift and something that we all can learn 00:08:26.870 --> 00:08:31.129 from. But I did have a very spiritually transformative 00:08:31.129 --> 00:08:34.129 experience or what I called in the moment, I 00:08:34.129 --> 00:08:37.330 would call it just an otherworldly experience 00:08:37.330 --> 00:08:41.659 is the term that I used for a while. It was about 00:08:41.659 --> 00:08:45.960 12 hours before he actually took his last breath 00:08:45.960 --> 00:08:49.299 physically. I now know that this is the moment 00:08:49.299 --> 00:08:52.440 when his soul transitioned. And I can explain 00:08:52.440 --> 00:08:55.220 that later and what has caused me to come to 00:08:55.220 --> 00:08:58.200 that understanding. But I have learned that there 00:08:58.200 --> 00:09:01.519 is so much more happening in death and dying 00:09:01.519 --> 00:09:05.659 than... just what we think we see, then the manner 00:09:05.659 --> 00:09:08.159 of breathing and when breathing starts and stops. 00:09:08.639 --> 00:09:11.379 There is way more transition happening. And it 00:09:11.379 --> 00:09:14.080 was about 12 hours before my dad actually took 00:09:14.080 --> 00:09:17.659 his last breath, but which now I have that understanding 00:09:17.659 --> 00:09:20.980 that so much more is happening at the soul level. 00:09:21.379 --> 00:09:25.440 And I know that he transitioned. in this moment 00:09:25.440 --> 00:09:30.559 of this shared death experience. And so I was 00:09:30.559 --> 00:09:34.120 lying alongside him in a recliner, he in a hospice 00:09:34.120 --> 00:09:38.360 bed in the living room of my parents' home. And 00:09:38.360 --> 00:09:40.639 I was holding his hand. And you know, of course, 00:09:40.659 --> 00:09:43.139 I remember hearing like the tick tock of the 00:09:43.139 --> 00:09:45.879 clock, literally the sound of the clock and just 00:09:45.879 --> 00:09:48.899 being aware that every second was one second 00:09:48.899 --> 00:09:52.330 less in the life of my dad. And there was a lot 00:09:52.330 --> 00:09:54.830 of great painful thinking happening thinking 00:09:54.830 --> 00:09:57.429 about you know they've already had my last conversation 00:09:57.429 --> 00:10:00.269 with him a couple nights before two in the morning 00:10:00.269 --> 00:10:03.490 i'll never hear his voice again. I'll never see 00:10:03.490 --> 00:10:07.009 my son start kindergarten just all kinds of things 00:10:07.009 --> 00:10:09.830 things that were left a little bit unsaid and 00:10:09.830 --> 00:10:13.450 done at least explicitly between he and i was 00:10:13.450 --> 00:10:16.830 just a great place of great pain and i think 00:10:16.830 --> 00:10:21.279 almost not by choice. I just stopped thinking. 00:10:22.100 --> 00:10:25.000 I just stopped thinking because none of that 00:10:25.000 --> 00:10:30.799 was helpful and instead I just put myself in 00:10:30.799 --> 00:10:34.019 the feelings of the unconditional love that was 00:10:34.019 --> 00:10:37.220 happening because in that moment I was holding 00:10:37.220 --> 00:10:40.259 his hand and his hand was still warm and he is 00:10:40.259 --> 00:10:44.899 still my father and he is still here. in really 00:10:44.899 --> 00:10:49.000 coming into just the full present moment and 00:10:49.000 --> 00:10:52.019 focused on the love that I was feeling and letting 00:10:52.019 --> 00:10:54.820 all that other stuff go. It's not helpful. It's 00:10:54.820 --> 00:10:57.340 not going to change anything. I think in that 00:10:57.340 --> 00:11:00.179 moment it was also in a way a state of surrender. 00:11:00.919 --> 00:11:04.340 And in that state of surrender and unconditional 00:11:04.340 --> 00:11:07.360 love, which I now know is really important for 00:11:07.360 --> 00:11:10.100 these types of experiences, you know, my eyes 00:11:10.100 --> 00:11:12.679 were closed and I started sort of seeing swirls 00:11:12.679 --> 00:11:17.019 of purple in my mind's visions. Very odd for 00:11:17.019 --> 00:11:18.759 me, but I didn't necessarily think anything of 00:11:18.759 --> 00:11:21.799 it, just noticing that. And then I felt this 00:11:21.799 --> 00:11:24.940 kind of tingly warmth start at the top of my 00:11:24.940 --> 00:11:27.399 head and kind of encompass my body from head 00:11:27.399 --> 00:11:30.419 to toe. And I remember having the thought, oh, 00:11:30.440 --> 00:11:32.740 the sun must be coming in the window and kind 00:11:32.740 --> 00:11:36.879 of playing tricks on me. But then I felt with 00:11:36.879 --> 00:11:40.840 full clarity what I can only describe as, because 00:11:40.840 --> 00:11:45.220 I don't quite have the most accurate words for 00:11:45.220 --> 00:11:48.139 this, but it's the best I can do. What I can 00:11:48.139 --> 00:11:53.080 describe as I felt a force enter my back and 00:11:53.080 --> 00:11:56.220 it's almost like a wind because there was a whoosh 00:11:56.220 --> 00:11:59.039 to it but it's not wind because it wasn't on 00:11:59.039 --> 00:12:02.059 my skin but there was this whoosh feeling and 00:12:02.059 --> 00:12:06.879 I felt it come into my back and just sort of 00:12:06.879 --> 00:12:09.820 settle right here in the center of my chest which 00:12:09.820 --> 00:12:12.179 I would now call my heart center but at that 00:12:12.179 --> 00:12:14.759 time I didn't use words like that at all that 00:12:14.759 --> 00:12:19.000 was not a part of my worldview. This force was 00:12:19.000 --> 00:12:22.740 so powerful, the presence so palpable, and the 00:12:22.740 --> 00:12:27.279 experience was so new, unlike anything I have 00:12:27.279 --> 00:12:30.700 ever felt before. This isn't like a bubble that's 00:12:30.700 --> 00:12:32.639 kind of bugging us, you know, on the inside of 00:12:32.639 --> 00:12:36.000 our body. This is a force, a whoosh, and it's 00:12:36.000 --> 00:12:38.759 right here. And the experience was so new, I 00:12:38.759 --> 00:12:41.100 just couldn't judge it. There was nothing to 00:12:41.100 --> 00:12:44.120 judge it against. And again, I was just in that 00:12:44.120 --> 00:12:48.009 state of surrender and love. and just noticing 00:12:48.009 --> 00:12:52.389 awareness and that force started doing slow circles 00:12:52.389 --> 00:12:55.190 like this around the center of my chest but on 00:12:55.190 --> 00:12:58.870 the inside of my body is how that felt almost 00:12:58.870 --> 00:13:02.730 like are you noticing and I did notice and I 00:13:02.730 --> 00:13:05.289 followed that feeling as it very slowly traveled 00:13:05.289 --> 00:13:09.789 to my shoulder and it paused again almost sort 00:13:09.789 --> 00:13:13.909 of signaling to me in a way are you aware and 00:13:13.909 --> 00:13:17.220 then that feeling traveled Again, like on the 00:13:17.220 --> 00:13:19.779 inside of my body, but it's like this force and 00:13:19.779 --> 00:13:23.120 I'm feeling it and it's going down my arm into 00:13:23.120 --> 00:13:28.059 my hand. And then I just knew that feeling went 00:13:28.059 --> 00:13:33.659 into my dad too. I knew it. A feeling of complete 00:13:33.659 --> 00:13:38.159 just wellbeing came over me, unconditional love. 00:13:38.200 --> 00:13:44.200 And I just had this elated knowing we are eternally 00:13:44.200 --> 00:13:49.679 bonded. It was the truest true, and it didn't 00:13:49.679 --> 00:13:52.659 even matter what it meant. I didn't have to analyze 00:13:52.659 --> 00:13:55.000 it. I didn't care what that meant. You know, 00:13:55.159 --> 00:13:58.559 if I say that now, and I sort of had this thought 00:13:58.559 --> 00:14:01.080 just now, I would be thinking to myself, well, 00:14:01.100 --> 00:14:03.740 what does that mean? He's dying, and what do 00:14:03.740 --> 00:14:05.320 you mean we're eternally bonded? And I would 00:14:05.320 --> 00:14:07.360 have all these existential questions. In that 00:14:07.360 --> 00:14:09.500 moment, I had none of those. None of it mattered 00:14:09.500 --> 00:14:12.679 because it was so true, and I didn't need to 00:14:12.679 --> 00:14:18.220 question anything. I gave him a huge hug. Of 00:14:18.220 --> 00:14:19.960 course, you know, my dad had been unconscious 00:14:19.960 --> 00:14:24.679 for two days. And I said in his ear to him, Dad, 00:14:24.860 --> 00:14:28.240 I don't know what that was, but I know you felt 00:14:28.240 --> 00:14:31.519 it too. And you take all that love and light 00:14:31.519 --> 00:14:34.039 in your core with you, words I didn't really 00:14:34.039 --> 00:14:35.879 use at the time. I don't even know where that 00:14:35.879 --> 00:14:39.019 came from. Take all that love and light in your 00:14:39.019 --> 00:14:42.799 core with you and leave the old news behind. 00:14:43.240 --> 00:14:46.659 What was really wrapped up in that when kind 00:14:46.659 --> 00:14:51.759 of reflecting back was just a last kind of verbal 00:14:51.759 --> 00:14:56.240 final forgiveness, if you will. And it was acknowledging 00:14:56.240 --> 00:15:02.580 him in the sense that I know your beauty as a 00:15:02.580 --> 00:15:05.600 soul and your essence and all the other junk, 00:15:05.799 --> 00:15:09.759 kind of the stuff that, I don't know, we were 00:15:09.759 --> 00:15:11.860 close and we had a good relationship, but there 00:15:11.860 --> 00:15:14.539 was some heavy stuff. That's just junk. It's 00:15:14.539 --> 00:15:19.700 our stuff. It's not really you. And I felt so 00:15:19.700 --> 00:15:23.779 strongly that it was necessary for him to not 00:15:23.779 --> 00:15:27.899 take that with him as he went. That it was necessary 00:15:27.899 --> 00:15:31.679 for him to feel that love and light of himself 00:15:31.679 --> 00:15:35.240 and his soul and his essence and move forward 00:15:35.240 --> 00:15:38.519 into the next phase of life. And that's exactly 00:15:38.519 --> 00:15:41.769 what it is, the next phase of life. With that 00:15:41.769 --> 00:15:45.809 lightness and that peace and that worth it was 00:15:45.809 --> 00:15:49.070 just a really beautiful moment And I had to leave 00:15:49.070 --> 00:15:51.450 the house in that moment I had not been with 00:15:51.450 --> 00:15:53.789 my family my own husband and my son for a whole 00:15:53.789 --> 00:15:56.409 week And I had promised them I was gonna come 00:15:56.409 --> 00:15:59.190 home. I was actually Halloween for a few hours 00:15:59.600 --> 00:16:01.500 And I almost didn't want to go back to the house. 00:16:01.679 --> 00:16:04.179 I wanted that to be my last moment with my dad. 00:16:04.500 --> 00:16:07.340 And when I drove home, I was playing music in 00:16:07.340 --> 00:16:11.440 the car and I was singing my heart out and belting 00:16:11.440 --> 00:16:15.519 out the music and I felt so much joy. And I remember 00:16:15.519 --> 00:16:20.799 thinking, what is wrong with me? Why would I 00:16:20.799 --> 00:16:24.740 feel this way? This makes no sense. But it truly 00:16:24.740 --> 00:16:29.480 was an elation, a celebration of not only love, 00:16:29.720 --> 00:16:32.139 but just this knowing we're eternally bonded. 00:16:32.320 --> 00:16:34.320 And I didn't even care what it meant. I just 00:16:34.320 --> 00:16:36.779 knew it to be true. But I did go back to the 00:16:36.779 --> 00:16:40.000 house later that evening. I wanted to recreate 00:16:40.000 --> 00:16:43.240 an experience. My mind wanted to. But the second 00:16:43.240 --> 00:16:46.000 I got in that recliner and I picked up his hand, 00:16:46.039 --> 00:16:48.240 this wouldn't make sense to me totally in the 00:16:48.240 --> 00:16:50.320 moment because I had the belief at that time 00:16:50.320 --> 00:16:53.279 that you're kind of somehow in there until you're 00:16:53.279 --> 00:16:56.100 not breathing, right? But the moment I picked 00:16:56.100 --> 00:17:00.679 up his hand, I knew he was gone. I felt it. I 00:17:00.679 --> 00:17:05.859 just knew. His body is here, but he is not. And 00:17:05.859 --> 00:17:08.140 I held his hand for the rest of the night and 00:17:08.140 --> 00:17:10.660 in the middle of the night he passed away. And 00:17:10.660 --> 00:17:13.240 actually it was during daylight savings time, 00:17:13.579 --> 00:17:16.920 November 1st of 2020, here in Michigan was the 00:17:16.920 --> 00:17:19.559 day at that time when we were changing times 00:17:19.559 --> 00:17:21.599 in the middle of the night. And at first we didn't 00:17:21.599 --> 00:17:23.579 know what time to put on the death certificate 00:17:23.579 --> 00:17:28.279 because he passed during time change. And I absolutely 00:17:28.279 --> 00:17:32.579 find that so fitting because time is not exactly 00:17:32.579 --> 00:17:34.680 what we think. That's just beautiful. Thank you 00:17:34.680 --> 00:17:37.579 for sharing. There's something that I've learned 00:17:37.579 --> 00:17:40.720 from doing these interviews over the years because 00:17:40.720 --> 00:17:45.339 I used to think like most people that your spirit 00:17:45.339 --> 00:17:48.640 leaves your body at the moment that your heart 00:17:48.640 --> 00:17:52.180 stops. Okay, to put it just kind of clinically, 00:17:52.740 --> 00:17:56.579 I've had some people who were in horrific car 00:17:56.579 --> 00:17:59.900 accidents, you know, like head on collision into 00:17:59.900 --> 00:18:04.559 a cement barricade or in a car that flew off 00:18:04.559 --> 00:18:09.819 a cliff and most of those people, if they can 00:18:09.819 --> 00:18:13.359 have a good memory of this, tell me that they 00:18:13.359 --> 00:18:16.819 were taken out of their body before the car actually 00:18:16.819 --> 00:18:20.599 smashed into that cement barricade or landed 00:18:20.599 --> 00:18:23.700 at the bottom of that cliff. They were spared 00:18:23.700 --> 00:18:27.829 that trauma. and they instead wore out of their 00:18:27.829 --> 00:18:30.990 body and watched it happen, but didn't feel any 00:18:30.990 --> 00:18:35.529 of it, didn't have to go through that excruciating 00:18:35.529 --> 00:18:39.529 not only pain split second before death, but 00:18:39.529 --> 00:18:44.789 the trauma of, oh no, here it comes. And so when 00:18:44.789 --> 00:18:48.890 you tell me that your father left a few hours 00:18:48.890 --> 00:18:52.230 before his heart actually stopped, that makes 00:18:52.230 --> 00:18:55.759 sense. It's like, why not? So yes i've heard 00:18:55.759 --> 00:18:58.339 things like that too in those traumatic situations 00:18:58.339 --> 00:19:01.819 and obviously for him this was a passing of cancer 00:19:01.819 --> 00:19:04.519 so there wasn't all that trauma but i have learned 00:19:04.519 --> 00:19:08.000 from my own experiences now as an evidential 00:19:08.000 --> 00:19:11.200 medium which i was not in that moment nor did 00:19:11.200 --> 00:19:13.920 i even fully believe in that i kind of thought 00:19:13.920 --> 00:19:16.339 maybe but i don't know it wasn't something i 00:19:16.339 --> 00:19:19.240 just occupied a lot of my time with in thinking 00:19:19.240 --> 00:19:23.630 about but i now know as a medium from my own 00:19:23.630 --> 00:19:27.289 mediumship experiences, that there is again so 00:19:27.289 --> 00:19:31.609 much more in the days, hours surrounding our 00:19:31.609 --> 00:19:35.849 passing of our soul kind of in both places at 00:19:35.849 --> 00:19:39.049 once. I'm not saying this is scientific what 00:19:39.049 --> 00:19:41.450 I'm about to say, but it's a wondering I've had. 00:19:41.809 --> 00:19:44.329 Many of us have heard of terminal lucidity. My 00:19:44.329 --> 00:19:46.849 dad had a moment like that, which is sort of. 00:19:47.630 --> 00:19:50.990 hours, sometimes days before someone's passing, 00:19:51.150 --> 00:19:53.589 there's a real change, a sudden change in their 00:19:53.589 --> 00:19:56.869 state. Like they haven't eaten for days and all 00:19:56.869 --> 00:19:59.170 of a sudden they're kind of sitting up in bed 00:19:59.170 --> 00:20:01.289 and they're bright -eyed and it's like they have 00:20:01.289 --> 00:20:03.569 their full vibrance and personality back and 00:20:03.569 --> 00:20:05.509 they have a huge meal and they're laughing and 00:20:05.509 --> 00:20:08.509 telling jokes. We call that terminal lucidity 00:20:08.509 --> 00:20:11.029 as a part of the death and dying process that 00:20:11.029 --> 00:20:15.490 many people experience. My wondering now kind 00:20:15.490 --> 00:20:18.690 of knowing what i know now is if in some in some 00:20:18.690 --> 00:20:23.769 way the soul has already sort of met itself beyond 00:20:23.769 --> 00:20:26.930 but the body is not finished its process yet 00:20:26.930 --> 00:20:29.930 but that person is now really in touch with their 00:20:29.930 --> 00:20:33.829 soul and it brings a vibrancy and a return of 00:20:33.829 --> 00:20:36.970 their consciousness that sort of the impression 00:20:36.970 --> 00:20:40.170 that i have based on my personal experiences 00:20:40.170 --> 00:20:44.039 yeah. I had a hospice nurse on the show who talked 00:20:44.039 --> 00:20:46.980 about that very thing. Only they used a different 00:20:46.980 --> 00:20:50.319 term, the place where she worked and was trained. 00:20:50.960 --> 00:20:53.980 I believe they called it the surge. It often 00:20:53.980 --> 00:20:59.099 happened 24 to 48 hours before passing. She talked 00:20:59.099 --> 00:21:03.019 about someone who, wow this was months ago, someone 00:21:03.019 --> 00:21:08.259 who had had dementia and then been basically 00:21:08.259 --> 00:21:13.160 comatose for days. And then all of a sudden woke 00:21:13.160 --> 00:21:17.359 up, got out of bed, was crawling around playing 00:21:17.359 --> 00:21:20.900 with a child on the floor that wasn't there, 00:21:21.480 --> 00:21:25.599 but that that person was seeing in the spirit 00:21:25.599 --> 00:21:29.720 world that veil was thin or whatever, however 00:21:29.720 --> 00:21:33.099 we explain it. And sometimes when the families 00:21:33.099 --> 00:21:36.160 see that, they're like, oh, grandpa's getting 00:21:36.160 --> 00:21:40.619 better. And then they have to get the news. No, 00:21:40.619 --> 00:21:43.859 this actually means he's pretty close to being 00:21:43.859 --> 00:21:46.960 gone. Yeah. And that doesn't always happen, but 00:21:46.960 --> 00:21:51.200 it does happen. Absolutely. And it's hard to 00:21:51.200 --> 00:21:53.240 explain. I mean, I don't know if you have better 00:21:53.240 --> 00:21:56.779 insight on it than I do from a spiritual side, 00:21:58.140 --> 00:22:02.119 besides what you just mentioned. Well, I just 00:22:02.119 --> 00:22:06.440 think that we're coming more and more into connection 00:22:06.440 --> 00:22:10.730 with our soul self. at the time of passing. And 00:22:10.730 --> 00:22:13.210 I want to be clear about what I mean by that. 00:22:13.329 --> 00:22:16.930 We are always already souls. You are a soul right 00:22:16.930 --> 00:22:19.829 now. Every listener listening. Your soul isn't 00:22:19.829 --> 00:22:23.349 something out there that we're going to look 00:22:23.349 --> 00:22:28.950 for or find one day or meet one day. The soul 00:22:28.950 --> 00:22:34.230 is your essence. That is already you. Beyond 00:22:34.230 --> 00:22:38.539 your human conditioning. So the personality characteristics 00:22:38.539 --> 00:22:41.839 that you associate yourself with, the career, 00:22:42.400 --> 00:22:45.680 the belief system, all those things, they're 00:22:45.680 --> 00:22:49.160 also you. They are your identity, but they're 00:22:49.160 --> 00:22:53.880 not the only you. And if we were to uncover those 00:22:53.880 --> 00:22:58.259 things, what's left is soul. And so when people 00:22:58.259 --> 00:23:02.079 are nearing their passing, this stuff starts 00:23:02.079 --> 00:23:05.740 to fade away. They're not thinking about daily 00:23:05.740 --> 00:23:08.000 life and all the stuff that is bothering them 00:23:08.000 --> 00:23:10.059 they're not many people don't even want to watch 00:23:10.059 --> 00:23:12.579 the news anymore i know my dad who loved the 00:23:12.579 --> 00:23:15.480 news all of a sudden i don't days before his 00:23:15.480 --> 00:23:17.640 passing it's like he didn't even want it on he 00:23:17.640 --> 00:23:20.900 wanted to be on but not that there's just stuff 00:23:20.900 --> 00:23:24.539 that falls away about ourselves and as those 00:23:24.539 --> 00:23:29.180 pieces fall away what's left is soul I believe 00:23:29.180 --> 00:23:32.279 that people are, it's not again that they're 00:23:32.279 --> 00:23:35.400 finding their soul. They're becoming more in 00:23:35.400 --> 00:23:39.460 full alignment with the awareness of the soul 00:23:39.460 --> 00:23:42.519 that they already are. And that's a part of what's 00:23:42.519 --> 00:23:46.339 happening at that time. I can also tell you I 00:23:46.339 --> 00:23:50.000 had a mediumship experience and this was before 00:23:50.000 --> 00:23:53.539 I was offering mediumship professionally, but 00:23:53.539 --> 00:23:57.339 it's what made me say I can't not do this for 00:23:57.339 --> 00:24:00.490 people. I had to take the day off work the next 00:24:00.490 --> 00:24:03.930 day in my normal education life because it was 00:24:03.930 --> 00:24:07.849 so profound. It reminded me so much of that sacred 00:24:07.849 --> 00:24:11.380 transition of passing and my dad's passing. And 00:24:11.380 --> 00:24:14.259 it put me in touch with this is who I meant to 00:24:14.259 --> 00:24:17.599 be to help support people in various ways through 00:24:17.599 --> 00:24:20.380 death and dying. And it's a great example of 00:24:20.380 --> 00:24:23.779 what we're talking about. I had a woman contact 00:24:23.779 --> 00:24:26.359 me who was just sort of, again, I was just like 00:24:26.359 --> 00:24:28.380 practicing at this time. It wasn't, there was 00:24:28.380 --> 00:24:31.220 no money involved. It was just an interesting 00:24:31.220 --> 00:24:34.839 curiosity that I was following. And she contacted 00:24:34.839 --> 00:24:37.359 me, wanted to do a practice together. She was 00:24:37.359 --> 00:24:39.579 also in some spiritual classes and so on and 00:24:39.579 --> 00:24:43.380 so forth. And so as we sat together, this was 00:24:43.380 --> 00:24:47.839 on January 11, 111. I'll remind you that my dad 00:24:47.839 --> 00:24:51.420 passed on 111, November 1st, just a little different, 00:24:51.579 --> 00:24:55.160 but numbers the same. And her name was Mary, 00:24:55.359 --> 00:24:59.480 my client. And as we sat together and I opened 00:24:59.480 --> 00:25:02.380 up my heart space and sat in tune with that essence 00:25:02.380 --> 00:25:07.920 of soul, I felt this woman. So strongly and I 00:25:07.920 --> 00:25:11.000 knew she's very petite. She's got brown hair. 00:25:11.000 --> 00:25:15.160 She's very petite She's showing me a Virgin Mary 00:25:15.160 --> 00:25:18.819 statue with art utensils at its feet And then 00:25:18.819 --> 00:25:21.279 I had this impression of confusion and I kept 00:25:21.279 --> 00:25:23.220 going I don't know what it means, but I feel 00:25:23.220 --> 00:25:25.759 old and then young and then old and then young 00:25:25.759 --> 00:25:29.279 and She kind of paused and said, you know This 00:25:29.279 --> 00:25:33.680 sounds just like my aunt she has Alzheimer's 00:25:33.680 --> 00:25:35.119 which would make sense for the old and young 00:25:35.400 --> 00:25:38.420 and she paints Virgin Mary statues as a hobby 00:25:38.420 --> 00:25:42.099 and gives them away. But she is living in a long 00:25:42.099 --> 00:25:44.619 -term care facility. She has not passed away. 00:25:45.460 --> 00:25:48.279 But because it was so clear and she is very petite 00:25:48.279 --> 00:25:50.819 and her characteristics lined up, so because 00:25:50.819 --> 00:25:54.700 the evidence was so glaring, it caused me to 00:25:54.700 --> 00:25:58.380 say, what's happening here? Can we just connect 00:25:58.380 --> 00:26:01.400 as souls? This is fascinating. Do you mind if 00:26:01.400 --> 00:26:04.319 I proceed? and we were both kind of fascinated 00:26:04.319 --> 00:26:08.579 and so i continued and she helped me feel she 00:26:08.579 --> 00:26:11.700 was doing this in my awareness and was helping 00:26:11.700 --> 00:26:14.319 me feel i need to pull up my blanket i'm missing 00:26:14.319 --> 00:26:17.099 my blanket i don't know where my blanket is and 00:26:17.099 --> 00:26:20.180 i could feel that she was fine but she wanted 00:26:20.180 --> 00:26:22.759 comfort she wanted this blanket because it's 00:26:22.759 --> 00:26:25.819 so comforting she showed me a stuffed animal 00:26:25.819 --> 00:26:28.880 and i felt that was missing too things are out 00:26:28.880 --> 00:26:32.349 of place things are missing Of course, my client 00:26:32.349 --> 00:26:34.990 didn't know any of this. So we just sort of thought 00:26:34.990 --> 00:26:37.509 that was interesting. She'll have to let me know. 00:26:37.869 --> 00:26:40.690 And as I move forward, and this is where it's 00:26:40.690 --> 00:26:43.170 really special, if that's not special enough, 00:26:43.549 --> 00:26:46.750 but this man comes into my awareness and he's 00:26:46.750 --> 00:26:49.789 very manly. I can feel it. I can feel it in my 00:26:49.789 --> 00:26:53.009 chest. I've got a deep voice and my chest is 00:26:53.009 --> 00:26:56.289 broad and I'm real manly. And then I said to 00:26:56.289 --> 00:26:59.750 her, I don't know why I'm saying this, but I'm 00:26:59.750 --> 00:27:02.910 holding shopping bags, this manly man, and I'm 00:27:02.910 --> 00:27:06.789 wearing high heels, and I'm going ha ha ha ha 00:27:06.789 --> 00:27:11.410 ha ha. She started laughing, but also went and 00:27:11.410 --> 00:27:16.630 said, this is my aunt with Alzheimer's, her brother. 00:27:17.200 --> 00:27:20.759 At the last family gathering before he passed, 00:27:21.119 --> 00:27:24.279 he imitated my petite aunt in her high heels 00:27:24.279 --> 00:27:27.160 carrying all her shopping bags and was parading 00:27:27.160 --> 00:27:31.339 around the room going ha ha ha ha ha ha and she 00:27:31.339 --> 00:27:35.140 shared the picture with me. That man, brother 00:27:35.140 --> 00:27:40.339 in spirit, was here to help me understand that 00:27:40.339 --> 00:27:43.299 he was supporting this aunt in her transition. 00:27:43.879 --> 00:27:46.599 that he was here to care for her. He kept just 00:27:46.599 --> 00:27:48.920 saying, I'm here to help, I'm here to support, 00:27:49.119 --> 00:27:52.900 I'm caring. And there was also a little bit of, 00:27:52.920 --> 00:27:54.720 I dare I say, I don't know if I wanna use the 00:27:54.720 --> 00:27:57.460 word excitement, but anticipation is a good word. 00:27:57.920 --> 00:28:01.900 The feeling of anticipation in him. And so of 00:28:01.900 --> 00:28:05.000 course both of us were just sort of in awe, not 00:28:05.000 --> 00:28:07.799 sure what to think. And so we exchanged phone 00:28:07.799 --> 00:28:10.799 numbers. And she called me later that night and 00:28:10.799 --> 00:28:13.119 said, Amber, I have to tell you. And I wasn't 00:28:13.119 --> 00:28:15.099 sure how I was going to handle all this. And 00:28:15.099 --> 00:28:18.259 then an hour after we finished our time together, 00:28:18.259 --> 00:28:21.960 I got a call from my aunt's caretaker. The care 00:28:21.960 --> 00:28:26.839 facility called them. They informed the family 00:28:26.839 --> 00:28:29.359 that they believed she was going to pass and, 00:28:29.359 --> 00:28:31.539 you know, that if they wanted, they should come 00:28:31.539 --> 00:28:34.819 to the care facility. So the family did go. And 00:28:34.819 --> 00:28:37.720 you know what? Her blanket was missing. her stuffed 00:28:37.720 --> 00:28:41.680 animal was missing. They found it in a laundry 00:28:41.680 --> 00:28:43.920 room, but it had been folded and put on a shelf 00:28:43.920 --> 00:28:46.599 and no one knew where it was. And so they were 00:28:46.599 --> 00:28:49.420 able to bring those things to her bedside. And 00:28:49.420 --> 00:28:52.640 again, it's not about she had to have those to 00:28:52.640 --> 00:28:56.160 pass, but all of us at passing, we just want 00:28:56.160 --> 00:28:59.769 comfort. We just wanna be able to relax into 00:28:59.769 --> 00:29:03.210 our bodies and relax into the peace of what's 00:29:03.210 --> 00:29:06.410 going on to support our physical selves and our 00:29:06.410 --> 00:29:10.569 soul transition. So here was that aunt as a soul 00:29:10.569 --> 00:29:14.970 already a bit on the other side, just sort of 00:29:14.970 --> 00:29:18.250 waiting for that full transition to take place 00:29:18.250 --> 00:29:21.869 and letting me know what was going to just support 00:29:21.869 --> 00:29:24.869 extra peace and comfort in that, which was having 00:29:24.869 --> 00:29:28.920 her things. This was really impactful. As I said, 00:29:28.980 --> 00:29:31.640 I took the day off work the next day of my full 00:29:31.640 --> 00:29:35.240 -time job and just sat on the profoundness of 00:29:35.240 --> 00:29:37.660 not only what this means about death and dying, 00:29:37.740 --> 00:29:41.460 but also again, the sacredness of transitioning. 00:29:41.660 --> 00:29:44.920 It's a part of life. It's in a way, it has its 00:29:44.920 --> 00:29:48.279 own beauty to it. And that was the day that I 00:29:48.279 --> 00:29:52.460 said, I can't not do this for people. I have 00:29:52.460 --> 00:29:56.539 to. That's so interesting. A lot of people that 00:29:56.539 --> 00:30:01.940 have an NDE or your SDE, or I'm gonna throw out 00:30:01.940 --> 00:30:05.180 another three -letter thing, SDE, spiritually 00:30:05.180 --> 00:30:09.119 transformative experience, come back with some 00:30:09.119 --> 00:30:12.819 kind of what I like to call spiritual gift, okay? 00:30:13.339 --> 00:30:17.259 Whether it's for you, it's this evidential mediumship, 00:30:17.339 --> 00:30:20.160 some people have psychic abilities, some people... 00:30:20.519 --> 00:30:23.299 know a little bit about the future. Some people 00:30:23.299 --> 00:30:26.880 see out -of -body spirits and angels regularly. 00:30:27.039 --> 00:30:29.880 As you know there are a number of different things 00:30:29.880 --> 00:30:33.279 like this. And I don't think any of this would 00:30:33.279 --> 00:30:36.960 happen if it wasn't for a good reason. So I assume 00:30:36.960 --> 00:30:40.440 that with this new ability of yours, you are 00:30:40.440 --> 00:30:44.059 helping people. And you just gave one good example 00:30:44.059 --> 00:30:47.660 of that. Why do you think, and I'm asking you 00:30:47.660 --> 00:30:50.019 to totally speculate, why do you think this happens 00:30:50.019 --> 00:30:53.259 to some people, but not to others? Some people 00:30:53.259 --> 00:30:58.400 have had profound NDEs and none of this. They're 00:30:58.400 --> 00:31:03.160 changed, but they're still regular old Joe. Yeah, 00:31:03.160 --> 00:31:06.279 I totally understand what you mean by that. A 00:31:06.279 --> 00:31:09.079 couple of comments. One, just to share, when 00:31:09.079 --> 00:31:11.900 my dad had that SDE, it wasn't even just that 00:31:11.900 --> 00:31:15.099 moment, and I'm expressing this because it relates 00:31:15.099 --> 00:31:17.640 to your question, but he and I began to have 00:31:17.640 --> 00:31:20.160 a relationship that I didn't necessarily believe 00:31:20.160 --> 00:31:22.400 at first. I thought I might be going crazy or 00:31:22.400 --> 00:31:24.279 I thought my mind was inventing things until 00:31:24.279 --> 00:31:26.779 it became very clear with evidence that this 00:31:26.779 --> 00:31:31.460 is very real. He and I began to communicate and 00:31:31.460 --> 00:31:35.119 he really guided me down this journey. It wasn't 00:31:35.119 --> 00:31:37.720 just like all of a sudden I developed mediumship 00:31:37.720 --> 00:31:41.359 abilities, but every step I took a new door opened. 00:31:41.779 --> 00:31:44.980 And what's interesting is my father, when he 00:31:44.980 --> 00:31:48.839 was in his 30s, had a motorcycle accident, died. 00:31:49.579 --> 00:31:53.710 He was dead for a few minutes, revived. They 00:31:53.710 --> 00:31:55.910 told him he would probably never be a police 00:31:55.910 --> 00:31:58.150 officer again, at least not out on the streets 00:31:58.150 --> 00:32:00.309 walking and doing all the things police officers 00:32:00.309 --> 00:32:04.230 need to do. And he did not have any recollection 00:32:04.230 --> 00:32:08.309 of any type of experience. But here he was in 00:32:08.309 --> 00:32:12.210 his actual passing in the beyond, very clearly 00:32:12.210 --> 00:32:15.109 having a soul experience and able to, in some 00:32:15.109 --> 00:32:17.910 ways, share some of that with me. And I asked 00:32:17.910 --> 00:32:20.549 myself for a long time, like, why is this happening 00:32:20.549 --> 00:32:24.019 to me? You know, I'm not special. I mean, I'm 00:32:24.019 --> 00:32:26.960 special, but so are you. So is every single person 00:32:26.960 --> 00:32:30.819 listening to this show. We are all equally special 00:32:30.819 --> 00:32:35.799 and worthy, but I would wonder why me? And for 00:32:35.799 --> 00:32:39.480 me in particular, I just know that this was meant 00:32:39.480 --> 00:32:44.480 to be a part of my path. I was meant to develop 00:32:44.480 --> 00:32:48.569 this ability of mediumship. It just it needed 00:32:48.569 --> 00:32:51.450 to happen at that time in my life. That was just 00:32:51.450 --> 00:32:54.009 the time that my consciousness decided it was 00:32:54.009 --> 00:32:57.329 ready. So in some ways, I believe that we are 00:32:57.329 --> 00:33:01.309 meant for some things. But some of this, in my 00:33:01.309 --> 00:33:04.930 opinion, also has to do with our conscious awareness 00:33:04.930 --> 00:33:08.990 of these experiences. I think that the more that 00:33:08.990 --> 00:33:12.430 we are simply open to them and the more that 00:33:12.430 --> 00:33:15.720 we're educating ourselves about these. then the 00:33:15.720 --> 00:33:21.859 more our awareness can be aware of beautiful 00:33:21.859 --> 00:33:25.680 moments of experience and connection with spirit 00:33:25.680 --> 00:33:29.920 or with things of spirit and with things of soul. 00:33:30.200 --> 00:33:33.180 In a lot of ways, sometimes we're just not really 00:33:33.180 --> 00:33:37.539 aware or acknowledging this other aspect of ourselves. 00:33:37.619 --> 00:33:42.009 And that was me well before all of this. I remember 00:33:42.009 --> 00:33:45.410 a moment, a day I got in a bad car accident in 00:33:45.410 --> 00:33:48.170 my 20s, and when I had gotten in the car that 00:33:48.170 --> 00:33:50.849 day and was only a block away at a stoplight, 00:33:51.009 --> 00:33:53.589 I heard a voice say, you've got to be careful 00:33:53.589 --> 00:33:56.789 while driving today. Not my own voice, some other 00:33:56.789 --> 00:34:02.390 voice. But it's almost like I dismissed it so 00:34:02.390 --> 00:34:05.410 strongly that I even stopped thinking about it. 00:34:05.789 --> 00:34:08.860 I only kind of remembered that. after I got in 00:34:08.860 --> 00:34:12.780 the accident a few hours later. And so it is 00:34:12.780 --> 00:34:17.380 my strong belief that all of us to varying degrees 00:34:17.380 --> 00:34:22.079 have a connection to the essence of life. It's 00:34:22.079 --> 00:34:25.039 only our conditioning that is covering up this 00:34:25.039 --> 00:34:31.820 connection. And so with awareness of You as the 00:34:31.820 --> 00:34:36.420 essence of life as a piece of the tapestry of 00:34:36.420 --> 00:34:40.139 connection that just is it can be no other way 00:34:40.139 --> 00:34:46.000 You can begin to slowly choose to be aware of 00:34:46.000 --> 00:34:48.619 What might already be happening for you that 00:34:48.619 --> 00:34:52.880 is showing you the connection that you are? So 00:34:52.880 --> 00:34:56.179 while I was pushed down this path if you will 00:34:56.179 --> 00:35:01.610 I also think we all It's our birthright to experience 00:35:01.610 --> 00:35:04.130 our connection to consciousness because we are 00:35:04.130 --> 00:35:07.309 consciousness. Okay, a couple other quick questions 00:35:07.309 --> 00:35:10.650 before we wrap up. One is, I like to ask people 00:35:10.650 --> 00:35:13.389 who have had a near -death experience, how much 00:35:13.389 --> 00:35:16.809 fear of death do they have now? Now you had a 00:35:16.809 --> 00:35:19.710 different experience. Where's your level of fear 00:35:19.710 --> 00:35:24.369 of death? I have zero fear of death. Absolutely 00:35:24.369 --> 00:35:29.250 zero. And in some ways, And don't take this the 00:35:29.250 --> 00:35:32.570 wrong way. I can't wait to be here until I'm 00:35:32.570 --> 00:35:36.269 a very old woman. But in some ways, I cannot 00:35:36.269 --> 00:35:38.889 wait. It's just gonna be an adventure. As long 00:35:38.889 --> 00:35:43.590 as my family is fine and my son is well and grown 00:35:43.590 --> 00:35:47.130 and we're able to exchange our love and I feel 00:35:47.130 --> 00:35:52.230 content that I'm leaving everything well, I'm 00:35:52.230 --> 00:35:55.590 ready for the adventure because that's what this 00:35:55.590 --> 00:35:59.650 is. And also I just know that I'm going to be 00:35:59.650 --> 00:36:03.010 enveloped in love. I know that I'm going to be 00:36:03.010 --> 00:36:06.510 greeted by my dad. I know without a shadow of 00:36:06.510 --> 00:36:08.690 a doubt that I'm going to get to see my soul 00:36:08.690 --> 00:36:12.289 pal, Yellow Lab Bailey again. I have no doubt 00:36:12.289 --> 00:36:17.050 of that. And I just have more of a mountaintop 00:36:17.050 --> 00:36:21.309 perspective now. Thank you to my dad of who we 00:36:21.309 --> 00:36:25.010 are. And there's so much more to life than just 00:36:25.010 --> 00:36:28.650 what we see. It's okay to be excited about going 00:36:28.650 --> 00:36:32.849 to the other side, but not today. Exactly. Not 00:36:32.849 --> 00:36:35.329 no, just I'll be ready for the adventure when 00:36:35.329 --> 00:36:37.750 the time is right. When the time is right and 00:36:37.750 --> 00:36:41.269 that's okay. Also another commonality with people 00:36:41.269 --> 00:36:44.889 that have near -death experiences and you is 00:36:44.889 --> 00:36:48.869 their life often changes in big ways such as 00:36:48.869 --> 00:36:52.030 change in employment. And I don't just mean a 00:36:52.030 --> 00:36:55.630 job. I mean whole career kinds of changes. and 00:36:55.630 --> 00:36:58.530 other things like that. What else happened in 00:36:58.530 --> 00:37:01.389 your life that became different? Well, there 00:37:01.389 --> 00:37:04.369 was just a lot of inner transformation, first 00:37:04.369 --> 00:37:07.309 and foremost, besides how I was seeing the world. 00:37:07.929 --> 00:37:11.010 Because of my communication that I was having 00:37:11.010 --> 00:37:13.409 with my dad in spirit, especially for that first 00:37:13.409 --> 00:37:17.329 year, there was a lot of healing offered. Also, 00:37:17.889 --> 00:37:22.239 I was given perspectives to see um certain instances 00:37:22.239 --> 00:37:25.039 that you know all of us in life have things that 00:37:25.039 --> 00:37:29.079 causes trauma and sometimes things that cause 00:37:29.079 --> 00:37:31.300 trauma because of the way we're viewing them 00:37:31.300 --> 00:37:34.860 not necessarily it's just it's how we have internalized 00:37:34.860 --> 00:37:39.059 different things and so there was a lot of healing 00:37:39.059 --> 00:37:43.639 growing in the knowing of my own worth and worth 00:37:43.639 --> 00:37:47.659 not like i'm so amazing more worth like i am 00:37:47.659 --> 00:37:51.489 a beautiful treasured soul And I got to really 00:37:51.489 --> 00:37:55.429 feel that. And it was some of the most humbling 00:37:55.429 --> 00:37:59.210 experiences that I've ever had. And I got to 00:37:59.210 --> 00:38:04.750 feel how we're all that very same sense of worthiness, 00:38:05.090 --> 00:38:10.130 every single one of us. So feeling myself in 00:38:10.130 --> 00:38:15.039 new ways was very healing. And then also, I became 00:38:15.039 --> 00:38:18.300 way less interested in the new ice into this 00:38:18.300 --> 00:38:21.360 day. I want to know what's going on in the world, 00:38:21.659 --> 00:38:26.800 but I do not Allow myself and even feel inclined 00:38:26.800 --> 00:38:29.539 to is a better word for it getting wrapped up 00:38:29.539 --> 00:38:32.679 in this stuff Because you know what? It's all 00:38:32.679 --> 00:38:36.440 just the muck we get drugged down by it We can 00:38:36.440 --> 00:38:39.039 spend too much time with it. Totally and it's 00:38:39.039 --> 00:38:43.539 just not really who we are and those getting 00:38:43.539 --> 00:38:46.980 trapped in those emotions and just the mock of 00:38:46.980 --> 00:38:51.019 life takes us out of that higher expansiveness 00:38:51.019 --> 00:38:53.639 and connection. I used to get really annoyed, 00:38:53.860 --> 00:38:55.820 I'll tell you this, before all of this, when 00:38:55.820 --> 00:38:58.000 people would say, ah, watch the news lesson. 00:38:58.579 --> 00:39:00.920 Out of an empathy piece, I would feel like, but 00:39:00.920 --> 00:39:04.800 I have to, it's almost validating of the people 00:39:04.800 --> 00:39:06.480 that are experiencing all these horrible things, 00:39:06.519 --> 00:39:11.050 like I have to. And now I get it. It's not that 00:39:11.050 --> 00:39:13.550 I'm uninformed and it's not that I'm still not 00:39:13.550 --> 00:39:16.630 feeling the empathy or validating people in my 00:39:16.630 --> 00:39:21.309 own way. But I'm also just in that higher perspective 00:39:21.309 --> 00:39:25.170 of who we are. And more importantly, who we all 00:39:25.170 --> 00:39:27.889 could be, who we all could be. And that doesn't 00:39:27.889 --> 00:39:30.730 mean everybody should be the same. We're not 00:39:30.730 --> 00:39:34.829 supposed to all be the same. It means taking 00:39:34.829 --> 00:39:38.329 ourselves out of the muck. in seeing not only 00:39:38.329 --> 00:39:41.670 ourselves, but others from a higher perspective. 00:39:42.190 --> 00:39:44.889 That would change the world. So there's that. 00:39:45.250 --> 00:39:49.449 I get in less Facebook arguments, all that kind 00:39:49.449 --> 00:39:53.050 of stuff. I just, I see people for the worth 00:39:53.050 --> 00:39:56.150 that they are. Even people I don't necessarily 00:39:56.150 --> 00:39:59.510 like all that much. How about personal relationships? 00:39:59.829 --> 00:40:03.190 Did any of those change? Yeah, I love sharing 00:40:03.190 --> 00:40:06.789 this actually. My mom and I became a lot closer 00:40:06.789 --> 00:40:10.230 as a result of these experiences and I don't 00:40:10.230 --> 00:40:13.210 think that that's an accident either. I think 00:40:13.210 --> 00:40:17.929 my dad felt in spirit a sense of responsibility 00:40:17.929 --> 00:40:23.070 for bringing us together in a different way and 00:40:23.070 --> 00:40:26.289 that was also very healing. My mom has been so 00:40:26.289 --> 00:40:29.570 validating of these experiences for me and she 00:40:29.659 --> 00:40:32.179 did not believe in mediums, did not believe in 00:40:32.179 --> 00:40:35.900 mediumship at all. But my dad proved it to us 00:40:35.900 --> 00:40:38.599 in one special moment. I was in the middle of 00:40:38.599 --> 00:40:41.940 a work project and I just, I felt his presence. 00:40:41.960 --> 00:40:44.619 This was like four months after he died and by 00:40:44.619 --> 00:40:47.380 then I knew when I felt it and I had believed 00:40:47.380 --> 00:40:50.639 it by now and I tuned in. I mean, I was literally 00:40:50.639 --> 00:40:53.119 my hands on the keyboard and I just tuned in 00:40:53.119 --> 00:40:55.840 and I heard his actual voice in my mind and it 00:40:55.840 --> 00:41:00.210 said, Call mom. She's sad and eating pudding 00:41:00.210 --> 00:41:03.230 right now and I picked up the phone Well, actually 00:41:03.230 --> 00:41:06.250 I didn't at first because I I was a little afraid 00:41:06.250 --> 00:41:08.710 What if she's not sad? What if she's not eating 00:41:08.710 --> 00:41:12.590 pudding and when I didn't I felt my dad's non 00:41:12.590 --> 00:41:15.010 -judgmental Disappointment non -judgmental, but 00:41:15.010 --> 00:41:17.750 he really wanted me to call her So because I 00:41:17.750 --> 00:41:20.389 felt that emotion from him in spirit, I kind 00:41:20.389 --> 00:41:22.590 of okay I grudged up the courage and I called 00:41:22.590 --> 00:41:25.420 my mom She was crying. She was crying when she 00:41:25.420 --> 00:41:27.440 answered the phone. And there's something wrong 00:41:27.440 --> 00:41:29.340 in the house that normally my dad would deal 00:41:29.340 --> 00:41:31.139 with and she was struggling and it was bringing 00:41:31.139 --> 00:41:34.159 up all her grief. And I asked her, Mom, were 00:41:34.159 --> 00:41:37.380 you just eating pudding? Yes, I was eating pudding. 00:41:37.460 --> 00:41:39.760 Why are you asking me that? And I shared with 00:41:39.760 --> 00:41:42.440 her what had happened and it brought just this 00:41:42.440 --> 00:41:45.579 huge moment of joy in her. That was like the 00:41:45.579 --> 00:41:48.920 moment for her where she really knew, just knew, 00:41:48.920 --> 00:41:51.539 knew beyond the shadow of a doubt. that all the 00:41:51.539 --> 00:41:53.679 stuff that I've been saying and feeling really, 00:41:53.699 --> 00:41:57.119 really is true. And there was just a lot of kind 00:41:57.119 --> 00:42:00.099 of healing communication that occurred from that 00:42:00.099 --> 00:42:04.639 and through that her validation of me and trust 00:42:04.639 --> 00:42:07.480 in me and belief in me through all of these experiences 00:42:07.480 --> 00:42:11.280 in its own way has been very healing. And, you 00:42:11.280 --> 00:42:14.219 know, while no relations are perfect, We have 00:42:14.219 --> 00:42:16.579 a new, a different, just a different level of 00:42:16.579 --> 00:42:18.639 relating to each other and closeness because 00:42:18.639 --> 00:42:21.340 of all of this. And I know, I know that was in 00:42:21.340 --> 00:42:25.280 part on purpose. I know it. All right. If anybody 00:42:25.280 --> 00:42:27.320 wants to reach out to you, do you mind if I put 00:42:27.320 --> 00:42:30.139 your website in the show notes? Yeah, absolutely. 00:42:30.199 --> 00:42:33.239 I would love that. Just scroll down anybody, 00:42:33.380 --> 00:42:35.900 you'll find it. I'm going to give you the last 00:42:35.900 --> 00:42:38.760 word here. One of the things that you said early 00:42:38.760 --> 00:42:42.039 on is that you learned that we are, quote, eternally 00:42:42.039 --> 00:42:45.619 bonded. Would you please just explain that a 00:42:45.619 --> 00:42:51.119 little bit more and Who are we bonded to? Every 00:42:51.119 --> 00:42:55.739 single one of us is eternally bonded to source 00:42:55.739 --> 00:43:01.360 connection there is no separation number one 00:43:01.360 --> 00:43:06.699 and If I could wrap up all of my years of experience 00:43:06.699 --> 00:43:10.300 into one phrase that is at the heart of everything 00:43:10.730 --> 00:43:14.250 And what is most important for everyone to understand, 00:43:14.510 --> 00:43:20.769 it is this. You are already divine, already whole, 00:43:21.510 --> 00:43:26.550 already worthy. You don't have to prove yourself 00:43:26.550 --> 00:43:31.409 to anyone or anything or any being. Every single 00:43:31.409 --> 00:43:36.429 one of us is so very loved, so profoundly worthy 00:43:36.429 --> 00:43:41.699 at the level of soul. and we have no idea how 00:43:41.699 --> 00:43:46.460 cared for and connected we are. Yes, sometimes 00:43:46.460 --> 00:43:50.199 to loved ones in an eternal sense, but also just 00:43:50.199 --> 00:43:54.820 to the source of spirit. You are not alone, even 00:43:54.820 --> 00:43:57.800 if it's unrecognizable to your heart. Amber, 00:43:57.960 --> 00:44:03.250 thank you. Thank you. Thanks again for listening 00:44:03.250 --> 00:44:05.710 and sharing this podcast. Don't forget to hit 00:44:05.710 --> 00:44:08.530 the follow or subscribe button and sign up for 00:44:08.530 --> 00:44:11.409 our newsletter at roundtripdeath .com. If you 00:44:11.409 --> 00:44:13.929 want to share your near -death experience or 00:44:13.929 --> 00:44:15.889 if you have questions or comments about the show, 00:44:16.389 --> 00:44:19.389 send an email to eric at roundtripdeath .com. 00:44:19.809 --> 00:44:21.989 Until then, I wish you everything good that you're 00:44:21.989 --> 00:44:24.409 looking for in this life and the next.