Welcome, welcome to Round Trip Death, everybody.
We have a very special guest today. This is going
to be fun. Amber Kasich, who's coming to us from
Michigan in the United States. Just a little
bit of a heads up. As our listeners know, normally
on the show, we're talking about the traditional
kinds of near -death experiences where somebody
dies. go to the other side, have an experience,
come back, talk about it. But sometimes we get
into things that are related to that a little
bit. Today we're going to be talking about a
really special shared death experience that Amber
had and I don't want to give away any more of
it than that. But hi Amber, good morning. Hi,
good morning. Good to see you. It's good to see
you. Before we jump in, tell us just a little
bit about you so we can get to know you. Oh,
sure. Well, hello, everybody. Hello, listeners.
Hello, Eric. Again, my name is Amber Kasich.
I am, gosh, I don't know, your everyday person
in many ways. A wife, a mom has spent 20 years
in education, 15 as a teacher, and then five
years, and I still do a little bit of educational
consulting. But in 2020, life just drastically
transformed with my dad's passing and I now also
serve as an evidential medium as well as an end
-of -life coach. I have a real passion for this
sacred transition of death and dying and I work
as a research intern in a volunteer capacity
as well with the Shared Crossing Project and
they do a lot of work with shared death experiences
similar to what I have. We've had people on the
show that explained what they do as being a death
doula What is the difference between that and
an end -of -life coach? They sound the same Mm
-hmm. It is very similar with the exception that
I may not always be working with clients that
live near me and may not be able to really accompany
them at bedside per se and there's a little bit
more of a I'll call it just holistic well -being
preparation phase that happens well ahead of
time of those last weeks and days of someone's
life. And that's really where my focus is while
I do sometimes support people at bedside, but
also I'm really looking to just support people
with their wellness and their well -being across
five domains, physical, practical, emotional,
spiritual, as they prepare for that passing.
And so there's a lot of work we're doing together
well before they even get to that actual passing.
So maybe a few weeks or so before they pass over?
Months even. And I have clients that are not
terminally ill, but are also Just sort of preparing
again for that sacred transition their wishes
their desires How might they communicate that
and also it's it's a very life -affirming process
I've gone through it myself and in a way it just
affirms who we are Celebrating our life's meaning
in some cases helping just declare that meaning
in the present moment what has been but also
for the future for those that again, are not
necessarily at end of life. I know so many of
us are uncomfortable talking about end of life,
but guess what? We're all terminal in some way
or another. It may be a month or it may be 50
years or a hundred years, but we're all terminal
in some way. We're not going to be here forever.
All right, let's talk about your father a little
bit. What was going on with his health and how
were you involved with it? Sure. Well, it's a
good lead -in actually because I'll have to tell
you that I fully was in that place of not wanting
to really think about necessarily talk about
or knowing how to deal with my dad's upcoming
passing when he was terminally ill. I suffered
a lot in private and on my own mostly in preparing
for my dad's passing. He passed on November 1st
of 2020 and had about a nine month prior to that
terminal diagnosis, although his cancer journey
was a few years long. But once that terminal
diagnosis was in place, really that day that
we received that was the day after Memorial Day,
maybe one of the hardest days of my life. In
part because I went really into this trauma kind
of freeze response, not knowing how or what I
was going to do. And I think the worst part for
me was thinking about how was I going to control
suffering. My dad's mine. And I felt that I was
about to sign up for months and months in a process
of pure suffering. And it made me feel stuck.
And that also impacted The ways in which I related
to my dad at times as a quick example He would
send me these sort of goofy emails almost every
day with animal videos and just things to kind
of make you laugh and roll your eyes There came
a point where I stopped opening them and I remember
one day my dad asked me Hey, did you see that
video? I sent you this morning and I say, you
know dad I'm saving these because I want to have
them for years. And what I was saying was I was
trying to keep him in the future in a time and
space when I couldn't. And looking back now,
after all that I've experienced, I so wish there
are certain things that I could take back. And
one of them is not reveling in the present moment
with my dad. He just wanted to connect with me.
He wanted to share a laugh with me. He wanted
to not be bothered by his troubles when he was
with me and kind of deal with them in his own
space. And that was a missed opportunity in that
way. And now that I really experienced his transition,
it felt it even in the moment, I would call it
as sacred. Intuitively I felt it was my task,
my sole mission to guide him into passing. This
wasn't a decision I had before. It just sort
of happened in the moment. I began to see again
just the sacredness of this and it was simultaneously
the most painful and beautiful truly experience
of my life. Being with him and being able to
support him in his passing. And so I look back
now and just think about where my emotional state
was before his passing, how I view death and
dying now. And we have so much to learn about
the beauty, the love, and the sacredness that
is offered to us in our own passing and by accompanying
people through theirs, not even in a formal capacity
as a family member, as just a person of care
and love. Compared to a lot of people in your
situation, you had an unusually spiritual experience.
I did. Almost going with him in some ways. Why
don't you get into all of that? Yeah, I will.
That's that shared death experience piece. The
shared death experience and its definition might
be a little bit more common than people acknowledge.
I had not even heard that term before until about
a year after my experience. But I will just take
a quick second to say that even without that,
all of the moments in my normalcy leading up
to that and being with him and feeling this intuitive
call to support him in peace and guidance was
really a gift and something that we all can learn
from. But I did have a very spiritually transformative
experience or what I called in the moment, I
would call it just an otherworldly experience
is the term that I used for a while. It was about
12 hours before he actually took his last breath
physically. I now know that this is the moment
when his soul transitioned. And I can explain
that later and what has caused me to come to
that understanding. But I have learned that there
is so much more happening in death and dying
than... just what we think we see, then the manner
of breathing and when breathing starts and stops.
There is way more transition happening. And it
was about 12 hours before my dad actually took
his last breath, but which now I have that understanding
that so much more is happening at the soul level.
And I know that he transitioned. in this moment
of this shared death experience. And so I was
lying alongside him in a recliner, he in a hospice
bed in the living room of my parents' home. And
I was holding his hand. And you know, of course,
I remember hearing like the tick tock of the
clock, literally the sound of the clock and just
being aware that every second was one second
less in the life of my dad. And there was a lot
of great painful thinking happening thinking
about you know they've already had my last conversation
with him a couple nights before two in the morning
i'll never hear his voice again. I'll never see
my son start kindergarten just all kinds of things
things that were left a little bit unsaid and
done at least explicitly between he and i was
just a great place of great pain and i think
almost not by choice. I just stopped thinking.
I just stopped thinking because none of that
was helpful and instead I just put myself in
the feelings of the unconditional love that was
happening because in that moment I was holding
his hand and his hand was still warm and he is
still my father and he is still here. in really
coming into just the full present moment and
focused on the love that I was feeling and letting
all that other stuff go. It's not helpful. It's
not going to change anything. I think in that
moment it was also in a way a state of surrender.
And in that state of surrender and unconditional
love, which I now know is really important for
these types of experiences, you know, my eyes
were closed and I started sort of seeing swirls
of purple in my mind's visions. Very odd for
me, but I didn't necessarily think anything of
it, just noticing that. And then I felt this
kind of tingly warmth start at the top of my
head and kind of encompass my body from head
to toe. And I remember having the thought, oh,
the sun must be coming in the window and kind
of playing tricks on me. But then I felt with
full clarity what I can only describe as, because
I don't quite have the most accurate words for
this, but it's the best I can do. What I can
describe as I felt a force enter my back and
it's almost like a wind because there was a whoosh
to it but it's not wind because it wasn't on
my skin but there was this whoosh feeling and
I felt it come into my back and just sort of
settle right here in the center of my chest which
I would now call my heart center but at that
time I didn't use words like that at all that
was not a part of my worldview. This force was
so powerful, the presence so palpable, and the
experience was so new, unlike anything I have
ever felt before. This isn't like a bubble that's
kind of bugging us, you know, on the inside of
our body. This is a force, a whoosh, and it's
right here. And the experience was so new, I
just couldn't judge it. There was nothing to
judge it against. And again, I was just in that
state of surrender and love. and just noticing
awareness and that force started doing slow circles
like this around the center of my chest but on
the inside of my body is how that felt almost
like are you noticing and I did notice and I
followed that feeling as it very slowly traveled
to my shoulder and it paused again almost sort
of signaling to me in a way are you aware and
then that feeling traveled Again, like on the
inside of my body, but it's like this force and
I'm feeling it and it's going down my arm into
my hand. And then I just knew that feeling went
into my dad too. I knew it. A feeling of complete
just wellbeing came over me, unconditional love.
And I just had this elated knowing we are eternally
bonded. It was the truest true, and it didn't
even matter what it meant. I didn't have to analyze
it. I didn't care what that meant. You know,
if I say that now, and I sort of had this thought
just now, I would be thinking to myself, well,
what does that mean? He's dying, and what do
you mean we're eternally bonded? And I would
have all these existential questions. In that
moment, I had none of those. None of it mattered
because it was so true, and I didn't need to
question anything. I gave him a huge hug. Of
course, you know, my dad had been unconscious
for two days. And I said in his ear to him, Dad,
I don't know what that was, but I know you felt
it too. And you take all that love and light
in your core with you, words I didn't really
use at the time. I don't even know where that
came from. Take all that love and light in your
core with you and leave the old news behind.
What was really wrapped up in that when kind
of reflecting back was just a last kind of verbal
final forgiveness, if you will. And it was acknowledging
him in the sense that I know your beauty as a
soul and your essence and all the other junk,
kind of the stuff that, I don't know, we were
close and we had a good relationship, but there
was some heavy stuff. That's just junk. It's
our stuff. It's not really you. And I felt so
strongly that it was necessary for him to not
take that with him as he went. That it was necessary
for him to feel that love and light of himself
and his soul and his essence and move forward
into the next phase of life. And that's exactly
what it is, the next phase of life. With that
lightness and that peace and that worth it was
just a really beautiful moment And I had to leave
the house in that moment I had not been with
my family my own husband and my son for a whole
week And I had promised them I was gonna come
home. I was actually Halloween for a few hours
And I almost didn't want to go back to the house.
I wanted that to be my last moment with my dad.
And when I drove home, I was playing music in
the car and I was singing my heart out and belting
out the music and I felt so much joy. And I remember
thinking, what is wrong with me? Why would I
feel this way? This makes no sense. But it truly
was an elation, a celebration of not only love,
but just this knowing we're eternally bonded.
And I didn't even care what it meant. I just
knew it to be true. But I did go back to the
house later that evening. I wanted to recreate
an experience. My mind wanted to. But the second
I got in that recliner and I picked up his hand,
this wouldn't make sense to me totally in the
moment because I had the belief at that time
that you're kind of somehow in there until you're
not breathing, right? But the moment I picked
up his hand, I knew he was gone. I felt it. I
just knew. His body is here, but he is not. And
I held his hand for the rest of the night and
in the middle of the night he passed away. And
actually it was during daylight savings time,
November 1st of 2020, here in Michigan was the
day at that time when we were changing times
in the middle of the night. And at first we didn't
know what time to put on the death certificate
because he passed during time change. And I absolutely
find that so fitting because time is not exactly
what we think. That's just beautiful. Thank you
for sharing. There's something that I've learned
from doing these interviews over the years because
I used to think like most people that your spirit
leaves your body at the moment that your heart
stops. Okay, to put it just kind of clinically,
I've had some people who were in horrific car
accidents, you know, like head on collision into
a cement barricade or in a car that flew off
a cliff and most of those people, if they can
have a good memory of this, tell me that they
were taken out of their body before the car actually
smashed into that cement barricade or landed
at the bottom of that cliff. They were spared
that trauma. and they instead wore out of their
body and watched it happen, but didn't feel any
of it, didn't have to go through that excruciating
not only pain split second before death, but
the trauma of, oh no, here it comes. And so when
you tell me that your father left a few hours
before his heart actually stopped, that makes
sense. It's like, why not? So yes i've heard
things like that too in those traumatic situations
and obviously for him this was a passing of cancer
so there wasn't all that trauma but i have learned
from my own experiences now as an evidential
medium which i was not in that moment nor did
i even fully believe in that i kind of thought
maybe but i don't know it wasn't something i
just occupied a lot of my time with in thinking
about but i now know as a medium from my own
mediumship experiences, that there is again so
much more in the days, hours surrounding our
passing of our soul kind of in both places at
once. I'm not saying this is scientific what
I'm about to say, but it's a wondering I've had.
Many of us have heard of terminal lucidity. My
dad had a moment like that, which is sort of.
hours, sometimes days before someone's passing,
there's a real change, a sudden change in their
state. Like they haven't eaten for days and all
of a sudden they're kind of sitting up in bed
and they're bright -eyed and it's like they have
their full vibrance and personality back and
they have a huge meal and they're laughing and
telling jokes. We call that terminal lucidity
as a part of the death and dying process that
many people experience. My wondering now kind
of knowing what i know now is if in some in some
way the soul has already sort of met itself beyond
but the body is not finished its process yet
but that person is now really in touch with their
soul and it brings a vibrancy and a return of
their consciousness that sort of the impression
that i have based on my personal experiences
yeah. I had a hospice nurse on the show who talked
about that very thing. Only they used a different
term, the place where she worked and was trained.
I believe they called it the surge. It often
happened 24 to 48 hours before passing. She talked
about someone who, wow this was months ago, someone
who had had dementia and then been basically
comatose for days. And then all of a sudden woke
up, got out of bed, was crawling around playing
with a child on the floor that wasn't there,
but that that person was seeing in the spirit
world that veil was thin or whatever, however
we explain it. And sometimes when the families
see that, they're like, oh, grandpa's getting
better. And then they have to get the news. No,
this actually means he's pretty close to being
gone. Yeah. And that doesn't always happen, but
it does happen. Absolutely. And it's hard to
explain. I mean, I don't know if you have better
insight on it than I do from a spiritual side,
besides what you just mentioned. Well, I just
think that we're coming more and more into connection
with our soul self. at the time of passing. And
I want to be clear about what I mean by that.
We are always already souls. You are a soul right
now. Every listener listening. Your soul isn't
something out there that we're going to look
for or find one day or meet one day. The soul
is your essence. That is already you. Beyond
your human conditioning. So the personality characteristics
that you associate yourself with, the career,
the belief system, all those things, they're
also you. They are your identity, but they're
not the only you. And if we were to uncover those
things, what's left is soul. And so when people
are nearing their passing, this stuff starts
to fade away. They're not thinking about daily
life and all the stuff that is bothering them
they're not many people don't even want to watch
the news anymore i know my dad who loved the
news all of a sudden i don't days before his
passing it's like he didn't even want it on he
wanted to be on but not that there's just stuff
that falls away about ourselves and as those
pieces fall away what's left is soul I believe
that people are, it's not again that they're
finding their soul. They're becoming more in
full alignment with the awareness of the soul
that they already are. And that's a part of what's
happening at that time. I can also tell you I
had a mediumship experience and this was before
I was offering mediumship professionally, but
it's what made me say I can't not do this for
people. I had to take the day off work the next
day in my normal education life because it was
so profound. It reminded me so much of that sacred
transition of passing and my dad's passing. And
it put me in touch with this is who I meant to
be to help support people in various ways through
death and dying. And it's a great example of
what we're talking about. I had a woman contact
me who was just sort of, again, I was just like
practicing at this time. It wasn't, there was
no money involved. It was just an interesting
curiosity that I was following. And she contacted
me, wanted to do a practice together. She was
also in some spiritual classes and so on and
so forth. And so as we sat together, this was
on January 11, 111. I'll remind you that my dad
passed on 111, November 1st, just a little different,
but numbers the same. And her name was Mary,
my client. And as we sat together and I opened
up my heart space and sat in tune with that essence
of soul, I felt this woman. So strongly and I
knew she's very petite. She's got brown hair.
She's very petite She's showing me a Virgin Mary
statue with art utensils at its feet And then
I had this impression of confusion and I kept
going I don't know what it means, but I feel
old and then young and then old and then young
and She kind of paused and said, you know This
sounds just like my aunt she has Alzheimer's
which would make sense for the old and young
and she paints Virgin Mary statues as a hobby
and gives them away. But she is living in a long
-term care facility. She has not passed away.
But because it was so clear and she is very petite
and her characteristics lined up, so because
the evidence was so glaring, it caused me to
say, what's happening here? Can we just connect
as souls? This is fascinating. Do you mind if
I proceed? and we were both kind of fascinated
and so i continued and she helped me feel she
was doing this in my awareness and was helping
me feel i need to pull up my blanket i'm missing
my blanket i don't know where my blanket is and
i could feel that she was fine but she wanted
comfort she wanted this blanket because it's
so comforting she showed me a stuffed animal
and i felt that was missing too things are out
of place things are missing Of course, my client
didn't know any of this. So we just sort of thought
that was interesting. She'll have to let me know.
And as I move forward, and this is where it's
really special, if that's not special enough,
but this man comes into my awareness and he's
very manly. I can feel it. I can feel it in my
chest. I've got a deep voice and my chest is
broad and I'm real manly. And then I said to
her, I don't know why I'm saying this, but I'm
holding shopping bags, this manly man, and I'm
wearing high heels, and I'm going ha ha ha ha
ha ha. She started laughing, but also went and
said, this is my aunt with Alzheimer's, her brother.
At the last family gathering before he passed,
he imitated my petite aunt in her high heels
carrying all her shopping bags and was parading
around the room going ha ha ha ha ha ha and she
shared the picture with me. That man, brother
in spirit, was here to help me understand that
he was supporting this aunt in her transition.
that he was here to care for her. He kept just
saying, I'm here to help, I'm here to support,
I'm caring. And there was also a little bit of,
I dare I say, I don't know if I wanna use the
word excitement, but anticipation is a good word.
The feeling of anticipation in him. And so of
course both of us were just sort of in awe, not
sure what to think. And so we exchanged phone
numbers. And she called me later that night and
said, Amber, I have to tell you. And I wasn't
sure how I was going to handle all this. And
then an hour after we finished our time together,
I got a call from my aunt's caretaker. The care
facility called them. They informed the family
that they believed she was going to pass and,
you know, that if they wanted, they should come
to the care facility. So the family did go. And
you know what? Her blanket was missing. her stuffed
animal was missing. They found it in a laundry
room, but it had been folded and put on a shelf
and no one knew where it was. And so they were
able to bring those things to her bedside. And
again, it's not about she had to have those to
pass, but all of us at passing, we just want
comfort. We just wanna be able to relax into
our bodies and relax into the peace of what's
going on to support our physical selves and our
soul transition. So here was that aunt as a soul
already a bit on the other side, just sort of
waiting for that full transition to take place
and letting me know what was going to just support
extra peace and comfort in that, which was having
her things. This was really impactful. As I said,
I took the day off work the next day of my full
-time job and just sat on the profoundness of
not only what this means about death and dying,
but also again, the sacredness of transitioning.
It's a part of life. It's in a way, it has its
own beauty to it. And that was the day that I
said, I can't not do this for people. I have
to. That's so interesting. A lot of people that
have an NDE or your SDE, or I'm gonna throw out
another three -letter thing, SDE, spiritually
transformative experience, come back with some
kind of what I like to call spiritual gift, okay?
Whether it's for you, it's this evidential mediumship,
some people have psychic abilities, some people...
know a little bit about the future. Some people
see out -of -body spirits and angels regularly.
As you know there are a number of different things
like this. And I don't think any of this would
happen if it wasn't for a good reason. So I assume
that with this new ability of yours, you are
helping people. And you just gave one good example
of that. Why do you think, and I'm asking you
to totally speculate, why do you think this happens
to some people, but not to others? Some people
have had profound NDEs and none of this. They're
changed, but they're still regular old Joe. Yeah,
I totally understand what you mean by that. A
couple of comments. One, just to share, when
my dad had that SDE, it wasn't even just that
moment, and I'm expressing this because it relates
to your question, but he and I began to have
a relationship that I didn't necessarily believe
at first. I thought I might be going crazy or
I thought my mind was inventing things until
it became very clear with evidence that this
is very real. He and I began to communicate and
he really guided me down this journey. It wasn't
just like all of a sudden I developed mediumship
abilities, but every step I took a new door opened.
And what's interesting is my father, when he
was in his 30s, had a motorcycle accident, died.
He was dead for a few minutes, revived. They
told him he would probably never be a police
officer again, at least not out on the streets
walking and doing all the things police officers
need to do. And he did not have any recollection
of any type of experience. But here he was in
his actual passing in the beyond, very clearly
having a soul experience and able to, in some
ways, share some of that with me. And I asked
myself for a long time, like, why is this happening
to me? You know, I'm not special. I mean, I'm
special, but so are you. So is every single person
listening to this show. We are all equally special
and worthy, but I would wonder why me? And for
me in particular, I just know that this was meant
to be a part of my path. I was meant to develop
this ability of mediumship. It just it needed
to happen at that time in my life. That was just
the time that my consciousness decided it was
ready. So in some ways, I believe that we are
meant for some things. But some of this, in my
opinion, also has to do with our conscious awareness
of these experiences. I think that the more that
we are simply open to them and the more that
we're educating ourselves about these. then the
more our awareness can be aware of beautiful
moments of experience and connection with spirit
or with things of spirit and with things of soul.
In a lot of ways, sometimes we're just not really
aware or acknowledging this other aspect of ourselves.
And that was me well before all of this. I remember
a moment, a day I got in a bad car accident in
my 20s, and when I had gotten in the car that
day and was only a block away at a stoplight,
I heard a voice say, you've got to be careful
while driving today. Not my own voice, some other
voice. But it's almost like I dismissed it so
strongly that I even stopped thinking about it.
I only kind of remembered that. after I got in
the accident a few hours later. And so it is
my strong belief that all of us to varying degrees
have a connection to the essence of life. It's
only our conditioning that is covering up this
connection. And so with awareness of You as the
essence of life as a piece of the tapestry of
connection that just is it can be no other way
You can begin to slowly choose to be aware of
What might already be happening for you that
is showing you the connection that you are? So
while I was pushed down this path if you will
I also think we all It's our birthright to experience
our connection to consciousness because we are
consciousness. Okay, a couple other quick questions
before we wrap up. One is, I like to ask people
who have had a near -death experience, how much
fear of death do they have now? Now you had a
different experience. Where's your level of fear
of death? I have zero fear of death. Absolutely
zero. And in some ways, And don't take this the
wrong way. I can't wait to be here until I'm
a very old woman. But in some ways, I cannot
wait. It's just gonna be an adventure. As long
as my family is fine and my son is well and grown
and we're able to exchange our love and I feel
content that I'm leaving everything well, I'm
ready for the adventure because that's what this
is. And also I just know that I'm going to be
enveloped in love. I know that I'm going to be
greeted by my dad. I know without a shadow of
a doubt that I'm going to get to see my soul
pal, Yellow Lab Bailey again. I have no doubt
of that. And I just have more of a mountaintop
perspective now. Thank you to my dad of who we
are. And there's so much more to life than just
what we see. It's okay to be excited about going
to the other side, but not today. Exactly. Not
no, just I'll be ready for the adventure when
the time is right. When the time is right and
that's okay. Also another commonality with people
that have near -death experiences and you is
their life often changes in big ways such as
change in employment. And I don't just mean a
job. I mean whole career kinds of changes. and
other things like that. What else happened in
your life that became different? Well, there
was just a lot of inner transformation, first
and foremost, besides how I was seeing the world.
Because of my communication that I was having
with my dad in spirit, especially for that first
year, there was a lot of healing offered. Also,
I was given perspectives to see um certain instances
that you know all of us in life have things that
causes trauma and sometimes things that cause
trauma because of the way we're viewing them
not necessarily it's just it's how we have internalized
different things and so there was a lot of healing
growing in the knowing of my own worth and worth
not like i'm so amazing more worth like i am
a beautiful treasured soul And I got to really
feel that. And it was some of the most humbling
experiences that I've ever had. And I got to
feel how we're all that very same sense of worthiness,
every single one of us. So feeling myself in
new ways was very healing. And then also, I became
way less interested in the new ice into this
day. I want to know what's going on in the world,
but I do not Allow myself and even feel inclined
to is a better word for it getting wrapped up
in this stuff Because you know what? It's all
just the muck we get drugged down by it We can
spend too much time with it. Totally and it's
just not really who we are and those getting
trapped in those emotions and just the mock of
life takes us out of that higher expansiveness
and connection. I used to get really annoyed,
I'll tell you this, before all of this, when
people would say, ah, watch the news lesson.
Out of an empathy piece, I would feel like, but
I have to, it's almost validating of the people
that are experiencing all these horrible things,
like I have to. And now I get it. It's not that
I'm uninformed and it's not that I'm still not
feeling the empathy or validating people in my
own way. But I'm also just in that higher perspective
of who we are. And more importantly, who we all
could be, who we all could be. And that doesn't
mean everybody should be the same. We're not
supposed to all be the same. It means taking
ourselves out of the muck. in seeing not only
ourselves, but others from a higher perspective.
That would change the world. So there's that.
I get in less Facebook arguments, all that kind
of stuff. I just, I see people for the worth
that they are. Even people I don't necessarily
like all that much. How about personal relationships?
Did any of those change? Yeah, I love sharing
this actually. My mom and I became a lot closer
as a result of these experiences and I don't
think that that's an accident either. I think
my dad felt in spirit a sense of responsibility
for bringing us together in a different way and
that was also very healing. My mom has been so
validating of these experiences for me and she
did not believe in mediums, did not believe in
mediumship at all. But my dad proved it to us
in one special moment. I was in the middle of
a work project and I just, I felt his presence.
This was like four months after he died and by
then I knew when I felt it and I had believed
it by now and I tuned in. I mean, I was literally
my hands on the keyboard and I just tuned in
and I heard his actual voice in my mind and it
said, Call mom. She's sad and eating pudding
right now and I picked up the phone Well, actually
I didn't at first because I I was a little afraid
What if she's not sad? What if she's not eating
pudding and when I didn't I felt my dad's non
-judgmental Disappointment non -judgmental, but
he really wanted me to call her So because I
felt that emotion from him in spirit, I kind
of okay I grudged up the courage and I called
my mom She was crying. She was crying when she
answered the phone. And there's something wrong
in the house that normally my dad would deal
with and she was struggling and it was bringing
up all her grief. And I asked her, Mom, were
you just eating pudding? Yes, I was eating pudding.
Why are you asking me that? And I shared with
her what had happened and it brought just this
huge moment of joy in her. That was like the
moment for her where she really knew, just knew,
knew beyond the shadow of a doubt. that all the
stuff that I've been saying and feeling really,
really is true. And there was just a lot of kind
of healing communication that occurred from that
and through that her validation of me and trust
in me and belief in me through all of these experiences
in its own way has been very healing. And, you
know, while no relations are perfect, We have
a new, a different, just a different level of
relating to each other and closeness because
of all of this. And I know, I know that was in
part on purpose. I know it. All right. If anybody
wants to reach out to you, do you mind if I put
your website in the show notes? Yeah, absolutely.
I would love that. Just scroll down anybody,
you'll find it. I'm going to give you the last
word here. One of the things that you said early
on is that you learned that we are, quote, eternally
bonded. Would you please just explain that a
little bit more and Who are we bonded to? Every
single one of us is eternally bonded to source
connection there is no separation number one
and If I could wrap up all of my years of experience
into one phrase that is at the heart of everything
And what is most important for everyone to understand,
it is this. You are already divine, already whole,
already worthy. You don't have to prove yourself
to anyone or anything or any being. Every single
one of us is so very loved, so profoundly worthy
at the level of soul. and we have no idea how
cared for and connected we are. Yes, sometimes
to loved ones in an eternal sense, but also just
to the source of spirit. You are not alone, even
if it's unrecognizable to your heart. Amber,
thank you. Thank you. Thanks again for listening
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