WEBVTT 00:00:05.110 --> 00:00:07.389 Welcome welcome to round trip death everybody. 00:00:07.389 --> 00:00:09.769 We're so happy to have Kimberly Braun with us 00:00:09.769 --> 00:00:13.970 this morning Kimberly, how are you? I'm doing 00:00:13.970 --> 00:00:18.010 great and I love your background. It's it's gorgeous 00:00:18.010 --> 00:00:22.530 and mine's mine's a blank slate Well, it's my 00:00:22.530 --> 00:00:24.809 office I have wooden walls and I have plants 00:00:24.809 --> 00:00:28.769 and But I have to mention one thing the lava 00:00:28.769 --> 00:00:31.210 lamp that you see here that I get a lot of comments 00:00:31.210 --> 00:00:37.039 on by the way is is dying Tears for the lava 00:00:37.039 --> 00:00:40.159 lamp. It takes about two hours to become fully 00:00:40.159 --> 00:00:44.200 liquid like that The stuff inside over time, 00:00:44.200 --> 00:00:47.920 I guess gets hard. So I'm glad you brought it 00:00:47.920 --> 00:00:50.600 up because What I want to do is I'm gonna buy 00:00:50.600 --> 00:00:54.820 a new one But I want everybody to comment on 00:00:54.820 --> 00:00:58.119 what color they want to see because they now 00:00:58.119 --> 00:01:02.780 come in red blue green All kinds of colors glitters. 00:01:02.780 --> 00:01:06.180 Don't say glitter But I want comments. So if 00:01:06.180 --> 00:01:09.859 everybody would comment about what color Eric's 00:01:09.859 --> 00:01:13.299 next lava lamp should be, I can't wait to hear 00:01:13.299 --> 00:01:16.760 what people come up with. I love it. Well, you're 00:01:16.760 --> 00:01:18.560 giving them, you're giving them like a carte 00:01:18.560 --> 00:01:21.620 blanche. Who knows what they might come up with. 00:01:22.239 --> 00:01:24.640 You might get something psychedelic going there. 00:01:24.980 --> 00:01:28.859 You can be first. What color do you want? I would 00:01:28.859 --> 00:01:33.890 think like forest green. Okay. It's interesting, 00:01:34.290 --> 00:01:37.670 you know, I see a lot that are, and I love purple 00:01:37.670 --> 00:01:41.590 and all of those colors so much. But for me, 00:01:41.609 --> 00:01:43.950 what's different is doing something really earthy, 00:01:44.230 --> 00:01:46.689 so. Sort of like the color of your shirt today. 00:01:47.510 --> 00:01:50.290 It is kind of like that, isn't it? Sounds perfect. 00:01:50.870 --> 00:01:54.409 Okay, before we jump into your NDE, which I know 00:01:54.409 --> 00:01:57.269 people are going to find fascinating, I want 00:01:57.269 --> 00:01:59.150 our audience to get to know you a little bit. 00:01:59.150 --> 00:02:02.590 If you would just take one minute. Who is Kimberly? 00:02:03.409 --> 00:02:05.209 You know, I'm still discovering that myself. 00:02:05.310 --> 00:02:07.689 That tells you a lot about who I am that I could 00:02:07.689 --> 00:02:13.490 give that statement. I am a mystic adventurer. 00:02:13.930 --> 00:02:18.090 My whole life has been lived with the veil very 00:02:18.090 --> 00:02:23.310 thin. multidimensionally, from the standpoint 00:02:23.310 --> 00:02:28.030 of experiencing what seems to be sourced or uncreated 00:02:28.030 --> 00:02:31.490 and these varieties of forms and learning what 00:02:31.490 --> 00:02:35.250 it means to be in a body, learning what it means 00:02:35.250 --> 00:02:39.900 to have a heart and a mind. I have been somebody 00:02:39.900 --> 00:02:42.639 that's really been passionate about that. So 00:02:42.639 --> 00:02:46.879 my formal education, my experiential choices 00:02:46.879 --> 00:02:50.939 have all been at the service of discovering these 00:02:50.939 --> 00:02:55.560 eternal truths, living them and supporting others 00:02:55.560 --> 00:02:58.719 in finding their path. And it takes many shapes 00:02:58.719 --> 00:03:02.280 and forms. So that's that's most of integrity 00:03:02.280 --> 00:03:06.039 about who I am. My life is very simple that way. 00:03:06.039 --> 00:03:10.620 It's got one focus. that opens up a horizon of 00:03:10.620 --> 00:03:13.659 adventure and opportunities. Well, I love that 00:03:13.659 --> 00:03:20.159 you use the term veil because I personally believe 00:03:20.159 --> 00:03:22.080 that the spiritual things that we often talk 00:03:22.080 --> 00:03:26.000 about on this show are right around us. We just 00:03:26.000 --> 00:03:29.199 have these blinders, this veil, whatever, that 00:03:29.199 --> 00:03:31.539 right now in our physical form makes it hard 00:03:31.539 --> 00:03:34.060 to see and experience these things. Would you 00:03:34.060 --> 00:03:38.439 agree with that? Yes, and I think that in some 00:03:38.439 --> 00:03:44.780 very mysterious way that is part of the will 00:03:44.780 --> 00:03:49.199 of the uncreated of consciousness or awareness 00:03:49.199 --> 00:03:55.199 or God is that somehow coming into form the joy 00:03:55.199 --> 00:03:59.419 is this discovery of it all the discovery that 00:03:59.419 --> 00:04:03.469 the veil is thin and It's some mysterious divine 00:04:03.469 --> 00:04:07.530 play. So while it may yield a lot of suffering 00:04:07.530 --> 00:04:12.930 for us all and confusion and wondering about 00:04:12.930 --> 00:04:17.629 life, there's a divine purpose in that very reality 00:04:17.629 --> 00:04:21.350 that you said. Okay. Well, I want to jump into 00:04:21.350 --> 00:04:24.589 your NDE because some people are very impatient. 00:04:25.019 --> 00:04:28.560 But we're also going to talk later about things 00:04:28.560 --> 00:04:31.360 that happened to you early in life and things 00:04:31.360 --> 00:04:34.100 that have happened to you since then, and what 00:04:34.100 --> 00:04:36.660 we can all learn from these kinds of experiences. 00:04:37.339 --> 00:04:39.279 So take us back. I know it was just a couple 00:04:39.279 --> 00:04:42.360 of years ago when you were 19 years old. Things 00:04:42.360 --> 00:04:44.500 were a little rough in your life. What was going 00:04:44.500 --> 00:04:49.160 on? It's true. It's true. And I know we'll go 00:04:49.160 --> 00:04:53.279 back to earlier than that, but I can't really 00:04:53.279 --> 00:04:55.939 give the NDE without giving the setup that my 00:04:55.939 --> 00:04:59.579 life has had a lot of mystical experiences all 00:04:59.579 --> 00:05:03.819 my life. So when I entered a really difficult 00:05:03.819 --> 00:05:07.379 period in my life, there was a way that I was 00:05:07.379 --> 00:05:11.480 also held by what I believed at that time was 00:05:11.480 --> 00:05:16.199 God, even in that darkness. When I was about 00:05:16.199 --> 00:05:19.579 16, and that's a normal time in our personal 00:05:19.579 --> 00:05:23.149 development to really be trying to discover who 00:05:23.149 --> 00:05:26.670 we are and where we fit. And we're dependent 00:05:26.670 --> 00:05:29.370 on our parents, but we're also gaining independence. 00:05:30.069 --> 00:05:33.430 So I know it can be a challenging time for many 00:05:33.430 --> 00:05:37.569 their teenage years. And in many ways, life was 00:05:37.569 --> 00:05:40.470 really wonderful. I have wonderful parents. I 00:05:40.470 --> 00:05:43.529 have a wonderful sister. At that time, I have 00:05:43.529 --> 00:05:46.209 a brother now, but he came many years later. 00:05:46.620 --> 00:05:50.199 We were also a deeply faith -filled family, which 00:05:50.199 --> 00:05:54.120 was a joy for me. As I was coming into my own 00:05:54.120 --> 00:05:59.560 and developing as a woman, I had this very strong 00:05:59.560 --> 00:06:05.180 existential concern. I was very drawn to spirituality 00:06:05.180 --> 00:06:10.279 and very drawn to that being what life was about. 00:06:10.779 --> 00:06:14.879 And I also found within myself what I would call 00:06:14.879 --> 00:06:18.860 a very passionate nature. I'm very enthusiastic 00:06:18.860 --> 00:06:22.899 and curious about everything. So passion wasn't 00:06:22.899 --> 00:06:25.160 just simply sex, and I know your hormones really 00:06:25.160 --> 00:06:28.920 get going in your teens. Passion was about everything, 00:06:29.420 --> 00:06:33.180 the passion to learn. the passion to self -realize, 00:06:33.319 --> 00:06:39.360 the passion to be in a body, the passion to have 00:06:39.360 --> 00:06:42.360 ideas, the passion to have connection. Like I 00:06:42.360 --> 00:06:45.660 had a lot of fire. I'm an Aries, so I had a lot, 00:06:45.660 --> 00:06:49.100 a lot of fire. And there was something within 00:06:49.100 --> 00:06:54.959 me that was troubled that all that passion wasn't 00:06:54.959 --> 00:06:58.519 holy. It hit a really deep place in me. Looking 00:06:58.519 --> 00:07:03.160 back, Believe it was both individually and collectively 00:07:03.160 --> 00:07:06.540 because I think in the Western psyche We still 00:07:06.540 --> 00:07:10.740 have a strong puritanical bent Where our ideas 00:07:10.740 --> 00:07:14.939 of holiness? Create a dualism about being in 00:07:14.939 --> 00:07:19.339 the body So I was experiencing all of this and 00:07:19.339 --> 00:07:22.399 not really knowing how to make my way through 00:07:22.399 --> 00:07:26.279 it But I mean it hit me hard. I was having bad 00:07:26.279 --> 00:07:29.769 dreams I would have these dreams that must have 00:07:29.769 --> 00:07:34.149 been past lives or other dimensions, all sorts 00:07:34.149 --> 00:07:38.149 of things that were very dark. And I was having 00:07:38.149 --> 00:07:40.769 physical things like migraines because I was 00:07:40.769 --> 00:07:43.649 so troubled by it all. I was just ill at ease. 00:07:44.189 --> 00:07:48.689 I had low grade of anxiety. I didn't suffer real 00:07:48.689 --> 00:07:51.149 anxiety. I work with people that suffer anxiety 00:07:51.149 --> 00:07:55.060 and panic attacks. I was never hit with a real 00:07:55.060 --> 00:07:59.259 issue there that was chronic. But I had a situational 00:07:59.259 --> 00:08:02.920 anxiety around what it meant to be alive. And 00:08:02.920 --> 00:08:05.980 I didn't know how to go forward. I felt completely 00:08:05.980 --> 00:08:11.399 stuck. And I tried everything. I tried everything. 00:08:11.639 --> 00:08:14.639 I tried. Being light -hearted around it and I 00:08:14.639 --> 00:08:17.459 couldn't get away from it. It troubled me so 00:08:17.459 --> 00:08:20.600 badly I tried getting involved in things and 00:08:20.600 --> 00:08:23.639 it still would not Lighten the intensity with 00:08:23.639 --> 00:08:27.819 which I felt held by this there felt to be something 00:08:27.819 --> 00:08:31.699 Inherently like a low self -worth You know, I 00:08:31.699 --> 00:08:33.940 think there were psychologically there were some 00:08:33.940 --> 00:08:36.279 other things getting hit there and my personal 00:08:36.279 --> 00:08:40.399 development but that was the issue that contained 00:08:40.399 --> 00:08:44.440 these things I went on with a lot of anguish 00:08:44.440 --> 00:08:46.340 around this privately. You wouldn't have known 00:08:46.340 --> 00:08:50.779 it outwardly because I'm, I'm a outgoing gregarious, 00:08:51.340 --> 00:08:54.220 not overly gregarious, but I'm, I am a strong 00:08:54.220 --> 00:08:58.019 personality. And I was involved in service organizations 00:08:58.019 --> 00:09:00.340 and had lots of friends and did things with my 00:09:00.340 --> 00:09:03.159 family. And, you know, outwardly speaking, you 00:09:03.159 --> 00:09:07.039 would have had no idea of my inner turmoil that 00:09:07.039 --> 00:09:10.399 I was going through. No idea. I started getting 00:09:10.399 --> 00:09:13.460 into the doors. I was very fascinated by the 00:09:13.460 --> 00:09:17.919 poetry of Jim Morrison. And there was an interest 00:09:17.919 --> 00:09:20.419 because it was on an edge. It was like a breaking 00:09:20.419 --> 00:09:23.539 through. It's like, what's reality about? And 00:09:23.539 --> 00:09:25.919 a lot of the music from that time period is like 00:09:25.919 --> 00:09:29.360 that too, trying to pierce the veil. Yeah. Back 00:09:29.360 --> 00:09:31.559 in the days when we actually listened to the 00:09:31.559 --> 00:09:35.639 lyrics, they meant something. And the doors were 00:09:35.639 --> 00:09:39.830 a perfect example of that. Oh my word is poetry 00:09:39.830 --> 00:09:43.230 in motion, right? Poetry in motion. So I found 00:09:43.230 --> 00:09:46.549 solace in a lot of that different music. I was 00:09:46.549 --> 00:09:50.009 never adventurous enough to get into drugs and 00:09:50.009 --> 00:09:53.269 I came from a very Midwest background. So I was 00:09:53.269 --> 00:09:57.179 very, in some ways, very sheltered. not purposefully, 00:09:57.480 --> 00:10:00.019 but just situationally. I went to a school that 00:10:00.019 --> 00:10:02.860 was for gifted people, so it was very geeky and 00:10:02.860 --> 00:10:05.399 small. And, you know, again, there wasn't a lot 00:10:05.399 --> 00:10:08.440 of drinking and drugs and all of that. And so 00:10:08.440 --> 00:10:12.259 I didn't find myself going down destructive paths 00:10:12.259 --> 00:10:14.899 like that, which was fortunate because I think 00:10:14.899 --> 00:10:18.220 I, while I could have broken through to a deeper 00:10:18.220 --> 00:10:21.299 insight, I also could have gone down a route 00:10:21.299 --> 00:10:25.799 that would not have had a good end. So I just 00:10:25.799 --> 00:10:27.980 went through this turmoil. It was like two and 00:10:27.980 --> 00:10:31.600 a half years and When it started to even reach 00:10:31.600 --> 00:10:33.759 a point where there was something within me that 00:10:33.759 --> 00:10:37.080 said no more Because I had experience being guided 00:10:37.080 --> 00:10:40.580 all my life Anytime I had anything that troubled 00:10:40.580 --> 00:10:44.519 me on the inside Grace would show up and show 00:10:44.519 --> 00:10:48.620 me the way In my mind and in my heart and here 00:10:48.620 --> 00:10:52.220 it was like being abandoned by God Because I 00:10:52.220 --> 00:10:56.299 was left to my own feudal mechanisms to work 00:10:56.299 --> 00:11:01.299 through this so Coming into the two -year mark 00:11:01.299 --> 00:11:05.620 about I don't remember exactly I Began to reach 00:11:05.620 --> 00:11:09.259 out for help Specifically for this so instead 00:11:09.259 --> 00:11:11.759 of like doing things that I thought were healthy 00:11:11.759 --> 00:11:14.940 that didn't help I began reaching out for help 00:11:14.940 --> 00:11:19.220 and First I turned to a faith community that 00:11:19.220 --> 00:11:23.110 I had joined In college, I was in my undergrad. 00:11:23.809 --> 00:11:26.610 They had a very fundamentalist belief system. 00:11:27.009 --> 00:11:32.610 It was so hurtful that I felt very shamed for 00:11:32.610 --> 00:11:36.490 where I was. Instead of being prayed with and 00:11:36.490 --> 00:11:39.450 understood and offered compassion, I was basically 00:11:39.450 --> 00:11:42.610 told, you're sinning by thinking those thoughts. 00:11:42.809 --> 00:11:48.090 You know, like, it was very unhelpful. And so 00:11:48.090 --> 00:11:50.750 I didn't feel safe to turn to this community. 00:11:51.370 --> 00:11:54.309 So I finally turned to a mental health clinic 00:11:54.309 --> 00:11:58.429 at the university because I recognized that while 00:11:58.429 --> 00:12:02.549 what was happening was a spiritual crisis, I 00:12:02.549 --> 00:12:05.470 as a human being, as a person was struggling 00:12:05.470 --> 00:12:10.350 with mental health around it. I was just so ill 00:12:10.350 --> 00:12:15.950 at ease. I was assigned a counselor to be a therapist 00:12:15.950 --> 00:12:21.389 and that counselor was a poor counselor. I went 00:12:21.389 --> 00:12:24.610 out on a limb and I shared the vulnerable workings 00:12:24.610 --> 00:12:29.570 that were going on inside of me and this counselor 00:12:29.570 --> 00:12:33.049 and this was a big deal to share it and I'm sure 00:12:33.049 --> 00:12:34.970 that your listeners, I'm sure you can all relate 00:12:34.970 --> 00:12:38.570 that when you really open what seems scary to 00:12:38.570 --> 00:12:42.169 share about your own process You don't want to 00:12:42.169 --> 00:12:46.350 be told that you're being rejected for that reason. 00:12:47.029 --> 00:12:51.429 This counselor basically was like, ah, get over 00:12:51.429 --> 00:12:55.629 yourself. It was terrible. And that was a bit 00:12:55.629 --> 00:12:59.769 like the last straw mentally because I took so 00:12:59.769 --> 00:13:02.269 much courage to open it up and I had been worked, 00:13:02.370 --> 00:13:05.389 I had been trying so hard. I mean, it brings 00:13:05.389 --> 00:13:07.509 tears to my eyes looking back on it. I had tried 00:13:07.509 --> 00:13:12.820 so hard to come through it. And I was a good 00:13:12.820 --> 00:13:18.220 person, so I wasn't acting out in ways that were 00:13:18.220 --> 00:13:22.559 hurtful to myself or anybody else. And when he 00:13:22.559 --> 00:13:25.740 said that, it was the worst thing that could 00:13:25.740 --> 00:13:29.639 have happened. And I gave up. Shortly after that, 00:13:29.659 --> 00:13:32.600 I tried to take my life. The pain was too much. 00:13:34.059 --> 00:13:36.919 It had been two and a half years. And I was young, 00:13:36.960 --> 00:13:39.700 so I didn't have the skills. I didn't have the 00:13:39.700 --> 00:13:42.919 capacity. I didn't have the tools. I didn't have 00:13:42.919 --> 00:13:45.159 the support system. There were many things I 00:13:45.159 --> 00:13:48.440 just simply didn't have that left me feeling 00:13:48.440 --> 00:13:51.679 like there was no way out except for this one 00:13:51.679 --> 00:13:55.419 choice. I didn't believe I was going to go to 00:13:55.419 --> 00:13:58.259 hell. I didn't believe that I was committing 00:13:58.259 --> 00:14:04.100 a sin by what I was doing. I just simply despaired 00:14:04.100 --> 00:14:08.470 of life in this form, in this body. When I did 00:14:08.470 --> 00:14:12.110 that, I was in the dorm at the college. Pretty 00:14:12.110 --> 00:14:17.509 closely after that, I reached out after that 00:14:17.509 --> 00:14:21.429 and I let a fellow student know. So they called 00:14:21.429 --> 00:14:25.570 911, but I left my body after I remember there 00:14:25.570 --> 00:14:29.850 was a flurry that happened in my dorm room. And 00:14:29.850 --> 00:14:33.730 then after that, I left my body. And just like 00:14:33.730 --> 00:14:40.340 most NDers, It's not possible to capture in words 00:14:40.340 --> 00:14:44.500 the understanding and the experience that happens 00:14:44.500 --> 00:14:50.059 when we are truly free from this 3D construct. 00:14:50.659 --> 00:14:54.519 And what happened for me, which is not, it's 00:14:54.519 --> 00:14:57.019 not completely unique. A lot of times the idea 00:14:57.019 --> 00:15:01.820 of NDEs is the tunnel, the white light, the meeting 00:15:01.820 --> 00:15:05.110 loved ones. What happened for me was nothing 00:15:05.110 --> 00:15:09.490 like that. What was surprising, Eric, when I 00:15:09.490 --> 00:15:12.690 look back on it, is oftentimes people have NDEs 00:15:12.690 --> 00:15:18.190 that are influenced by their enculturation. So 00:15:18.190 --> 00:15:21.169 the fact that I was so Christian and I loved 00:15:21.169 --> 00:15:24.789 Jesus and I loved Mary and the fact that I actually 00:15:24.789 --> 00:15:29.889 didn't see anybody was so counter... cultural 00:15:29.889 --> 00:15:33.529 to the NDE experience. Most of the time the experience 00:15:33.529 --> 00:15:37.570 is a segue from your understanding in the human 00:15:37.570 --> 00:15:42.629 body is how you kind of get initiated into this 00:15:42.629 --> 00:15:44.950 out -of -body experience and where the messages 00:15:44.950 --> 00:15:51.490 come. But what happened for me was I awakened 00:15:51.490 --> 00:15:59.730 as and within the luminous void. existence. It 00:15:59.730 --> 00:16:03.230 was completely grounded and yet had no center 00:16:03.230 --> 00:16:08.570 at all. And you could say it was dark, but the 00:16:08.570 --> 00:16:13.350 dark was illuminated, not to the physical eye, 00:16:13.370 --> 00:16:17.269 not like I was looking at something as me. It 00:16:17.269 --> 00:16:23.649 was like being particles of luminosity. And I 00:16:23.649 --> 00:16:29.350 was it, in a very easeful way, I did not lose 00:16:29.350 --> 00:16:34.190 a sense of me as an individual. But I was simultaneously 00:16:34.190 --> 00:16:37.789 not an individual. I was as well the whole of 00:16:37.789 --> 00:16:41.210 consciousness. So I was both of those things. 00:16:41.409 --> 00:16:46.509 At the same time, the coming home, the freedom, 00:16:46.809 --> 00:16:50.350 the freedom, that was the biggest quality I would 00:16:50.350 --> 00:16:54.570 say. You could say the luminous quality was love 00:16:54.570 --> 00:16:59.799 itself. But the quality of experience was utter 00:16:59.799 --> 00:17:03.419 freedom. All things were possible. Anything was 00:17:03.419 --> 00:17:07.339 possible. All was potential and all was actualizing. 00:17:07.980 --> 00:17:14.039 And as I was it, I encountered the eternal source, 00:17:14.579 --> 00:17:17.480 it falls short to say within and without, but 00:17:17.480 --> 00:17:21.400 I don't have a context for it, with an intimacy 00:17:21.400 --> 00:17:27.089 of all aspects of what My journey was up to that 00:17:27.089 --> 00:17:31.970 point, all aspects being celebrated and held 00:17:31.970 --> 00:17:35.269 and known. And in reflecting on it, because this 00:17:35.269 --> 00:17:38.329 wasn't my reflection in it, but reflecting on 00:17:38.329 --> 00:17:44.430 it, there was an unconditioned acceptance that 00:17:44.430 --> 00:17:49.809 was in the form of respect. tenderness and love. 00:17:49.869 --> 00:17:52.970 It wasn't sympathy for the hardship I had been 00:17:52.970 --> 00:17:57.150 going through. It wasn't affirmation for my life 00:17:57.150 --> 00:17:59.970 journey. There weren't these causal things happening, 00:17:59.970 --> 00:18:05.329 but there was this incredible recognition. If 00:18:05.329 --> 00:18:07.769 you think of somebody, if you're listening to 00:18:07.769 --> 00:18:09.730 this and maybe you've had an experience like 00:18:09.730 --> 00:18:12.450 this, when you've had an isolated moment, when 00:18:12.450 --> 00:18:16.769 you felt seen with the most tender respect and 00:18:16.769 --> 00:18:21.099 love, by something or someone else. It was that 00:18:21.099 --> 00:18:25.259 without any conditions around it. I found myself 00:18:25.259 --> 00:18:32.140 to be existence itself. And in that my dilemma 00:18:32.140 --> 00:18:36.640 completely was washed away because the dilemma 00:18:36.640 --> 00:18:42.680 I had was an erroneous thought that couldn't 00:18:42.680 --> 00:18:47.089 coexist in the purity of intelligence. in which 00:18:47.089 --> 00:18:50.289 I was. And I didn't even need to bring it into 00:18:50.289 --> 00:18:53.029 my experience. Again, there wasn't this linear 00:18:53.029 --> 00:18:56.990 time when I was out of body. It wasn't like I 00:18:56.990 --> 00:18:59.930 suffered so much and I cried, which would have 00:18:59.930 --> 00:19:02.529 been wonderful, but that wasn't what happened. 00:19:03.089 --> 00:19:05.849 What happened was anything that was less than 00:19:05.849 --> 00:19:11.289 or not resonant with the purity of the intelligence 00:19:11.289 --> 00:19:14.710 that I was in didn't exist anymore. It was simply 00:19:14.710 --> 00:19:18.690 gone. And so I was abiding in this, it was like 00:19:18.690 --> 00:19:22.490 an oasis of being. And this went on, I don't 00:19:22.490 --> 00:19:25.410 know how long, I have no idea because I left 00:19:25.410 --> 00:19:28.730 my body when I was in the dorm room. And at a 00:19:28.730 --> 00:19:32.990 certain point, there did become an exchange. 00:19:33.490 --> 00:19:36.089 And an exchange I could say that was both within 00:19:36.089 --> 00:19:38.750 me and outside of me that was between me and 00:19:38.750 --> 00:19:42.150 the eternal source. And I was given a choice. 00:19:42.690 --> 00:19:46.819 Do you want to go back? And it was so empowering 00:19:46.819 --> 00:19:51.079 because there was no wrong answer. There was 00:19:51.079 --> 00:19:54.000 no sense of, you need to go back because you 00:19:54.000 --> 00:19:56.960 have a service and a mission. You need to go 00:19:56.960 --> 00:19:59.779 back to finish your journey and work things out. 00:20:00.660 --> 00:20:06.319 There was no consequence that was like a karma 00:20:06.319 --> 00:20:09.099 around it. There was nothing. It was just the 00:20:09.099 --> 00:20:13.720 freedom of that choice. And what happened as 00:20:13.720 --> 00:20:17.259 that came about was there was this self -worth 00:20:17.259 --> 00:20:21.220 that just put me in touch with on a soul level, 00:20:21.220 --> 00:20:25.880 on the individual Kimberly soul level. Let me 00:20:25.880 --> 00:20:29.279 be truthfully in touch with what did I really 00:20:29.279 --> 00:20:32.299 want? Like from a place of joy and simplicity, 00:20:32.359 --> 00:20:37.579 what did I actually want? And in that rawness, 00:20:37.799 --> 00:20:42.019 I encountered that I wanted to return and not 00:20:42.019 --> 00:20:44.740 for something I didn't have this thought like, 00:20:45.000 --> 00:20:48.200 I want to return and finish my journey, or I 00:20:48.200 --> 00:20:50.859 want to return and share this love, or there 00:20:50.859 --> 00:20:53.299 was nothing like that. It was such simplicity. 00:20:53.359 --> 00:20:56.380 There was just the raw desire that didn't need 00:20:56.380 --> 00:21:01.200 a reason other than love to want to return. And 00:21:01.200 --> 00:21:05.039 that seems so counterintuitive. Someone who has 00:21:05.039 --> 00:21:09.000 just tried to take their life chooses to go back. 00:21:09.960 --> 00:21:14.359 Right? So my guess is and you you correct me 00:21:14.359 --> 00:21:17.119 if I'm wrong All of that love and everything 00:21:17.119 --> 00:21:20.720 that you felt was doing a lot of healing to you 00:21:20.720 --> 00:21:27.119 emotionally Yes, it it had What I had been washed 00:21:27.119 --> 00:21:31.200 when I left my body the very encounter of truth 00:21:31.200 --> 00:21:34.839 on that level Unknowingly to me because it wasn't 00:21:34.839 --> 00:21:39.519 in my thought process. I was simply washed psychologically 00:21:39.519 --> 00:21:43.130 and emotionally Our suffering comes from error 00:21:43.130 --> 00:21:46.970 in thought that oftentimes comes from responses 00:21:46.970 --> 00:21:50.789 to trauma. That trauma could be individual or 00:21:50.789 --> 00:21:55.549 collective. And in that muddiness in our being, 00:21:56.430 --> 00:21:59.109 we work things out. And there was something about 00:21:59.109 --> 00:22:02.069 being jettisoned into the embrace of existence 00:22:02.069 --> 00:22:06.950 that washed me of those. things that washed me 00:22:06.950 --> 00:22:09.970 not just of the erroneous thought of the issue 00:22:09.970 --> 00:22:14.490 of passion and holiness and spirituality, but 00:22:14.490 --> 00:22:17.049 whatever the conditioning was, whatever the trauma 00:22:17.049 --> 00:22:20.269 was around these things, it washed me of the 00:22:20.269 --> 00:22:23.450 impelling force that would take me to those places 00:22:23.450 --> 00:22:27.210 of despair. I mean, it was gone. It was just 00:22:27.210 --> 00:22:31.210 gone. I agree with you. It would be so counterintuitive 00:22:31.210 --> 00:22:34.309 to find that I actually wanted to come back. 00:22:34.380 --> 00:22:38.460 that that was actually the root of my joy and 00:22:38.460 --> 00:22:44.000 desire. And so when that happened, then I came 00:22:44.000 --> 00:22:47.380 back into my body. I was in my body and I was 00:22:47.380 --> 00:22:51.799 actually in the ICU. I had to have been out of 00:22:51.799 --> 00:22:55.710 my body for at least a half hour. I don't know 00:22:55.710 --> 00:22:58.369 how fast an ambulance would drive from the dorm 00:22:58.369 --> 00:23:02.349 to a hospital. Well and to the dorm and getting 00:23:02.349 --> 00:23:04.289 you on the gurney and all that kind of stuff. 00:23:04.329 --> 00:23:07.029 It all takes a while. Let me throw some questions 00:23:07.029 --> 00:23:09.910 at you before we move on. And I can't wait to 00:23:09.910 --> 00:23:13.369 hear the next chapter. Some of the things that 00:23:13.369 --> 00:23:17.549 you talked about are hard for some of us with 00:23:17.549 --> 00:23:21.329 very literal brains, a little bit hard to understand 00:23:21.329 --> 00:23:25.900 such as You said something about being individual 00:23:25.900 --> 00:23:31.680 but not individual and the dark but illuminated. 00:23:32.539 --> 00:23:36.240 Help me understand how that works. You know, 00:23:36.380 --> 00:23:41.059 that's a brilliant question. And I think it takes 00:23:41.059 --> 00:23:45.420 penetrating that paradox. Those are both paradoxes. 00:23:45.640 --> 00:23:49.440 It takes penetrating it to gain the insight. 00:23:49.789 --> 00:23:53.089 that there can be a coexistence in these ways. 00:23:53.630 --> 00:23:57.549 And what I would say with it is, if you look, 00:23:57.789 --> 00:23:59.950 this doesn't answer directly, but I'll try to 00:23:59.950 --> 00:24:03.650 answer directly in a moment. If you look at the 00:24:03.650 --> 00:24:07.190 writings of mystics of all eras, if you look 00:24:07.190 --> 00:24:10.509 at the deep mystical theology of traditions, 00:24:10.869 --> 00:24:13.930 you will find in all of those writings, there 00:24:13.930 --> 00:24:17.710 are these paradoxical statements that take place. 00:24:18.119 --> 00:24:21.220 Like John of the cross. I I ended up being Carmelite 00:24:21.220 --> 00:24:23.660 He was who's a Carmelite one of his breakthrough 00:24:23.660 --> 00:24:26.200 insights that he lived for the rest of his life 00:24:26.200 --> 00:24:31.599 was the soul center is God Well to a linear thought 00:24:31.599 --> 00:24:33.599 process that makes no sense How could a soul 00:24:33.599 --> 00:24:37.579 that has a is a pattern of an individual actually 00:24:37.579 --> 00:24:41.319 be God that has no boundaries? You're going to 00:24:41.319 --> 00:24:44.480 find these kinds of paradoxes in everything that 00:24:44.480 --> 00:24:50.200 comes close to a description of reality. I was 00:24:50.200 --> 00:24:53.279 given the gift to, in a very mysterious way, 00:24:53.519 --> 00:24:57.740 to go to that on a very essence level, a very 00:24:57.740 --> 00:25:02.460 foundational level. When I was out of body, and 00:25:02.460 --> 00:25:06.099 I can't describe the texture of it because I 00:25:06.099 --> 00:25:10.269 was aware I was a Kimberly, but it was... think 00:25:10.269 --> 00:25:12.690 about if you look out on the starry sky and you 00:25:12.690 --> 00:25:17.690 experienced yourself as the sky as All the particles 00:25:17.690 --> 00:25:20.130 as once you have to use your imagination on that 00:25:20.130 --> 00:25:22.470 and it's even that's limited because it's only 00:25:22.470 --> 00:25:25.730 the sky but if you took the skies that opportunity 00:25:25.730 --> 00:25:29.569 and you tried to feel into being the sky and 00:25:29.569 --> 00:25:34.269 you were both the stars and the Black matter 00:25:34.269 --> 00:25:36.390 and the gray matter the white matter all of those 00:25:36.390 --> 00:25:39.490 things all at once You would find that you're 00:25:39.490 --> 00:25:43.589 existing as a whole, but then you're also existing 00:25:43.589 --> 00:25:46.549 as the individual stars and particles at the 00:25:46.549 --> 00:25:49.509 same time. That was a bit of what it was like, 00:25:49.529 --> 00:25:52.509 except there were literally no boundaries at 00:25:52.509 --> 00:25:55.890 all. There was no horizon. There was no globe 00:25:55.890 --> 00:25:59.750 looking. There was no, it was all -ness without 00:25:59.750 --> 00:26:03.789 any, and it's interesting because if I look at 00:26:03.789 --> 00:26:07.220 it, even now having been out of body, You know 00:26:07.220 --> 00:26:09.079 what? I would never want to be an astronaut. 00:26:09.380 --> 00:26:11.339 And you would think I'd want to go into space. 00:26:11.359 --> 00:26:13.579 Like after this, you'd think I would have no 00:26:13.579 --> 00:26:15.779 fears about being in a spaceship. And I'm like 00:26:15.779 --> 00:26:19.799 the thought of being cloistered into a spaceship. 00:26:20.460 --> 00:26:23.579 So that's part of the mystery of the experience, 00:26:23.720 --> 00:26:27.259 too, is it did not yield for me that boundlessness 00:26:27.259 --> 00:26:30.519 in my body. I still like having my feet on the 00:26:30.519 --> 00:26:37.950 ground. You could also look at it this way. Think 00:26:37.950 --> 00:26:43.549 about when you've had a moment of darkness in 00:26:43.549 --> 00:26:48.970 your own life, a loss, a betrayal, a sense of 00:26:48.970 --> 00:26:52.349 trauma that has yielded a painful thought or 00:26:52.349 --> 00:26:56.170 reflection. And it's taken you into a dark place. 00:26:56.470 --> 00:26:59.049 And then you've been given a grace to just be 00:26:59.049 --> 00:27:02.940 there with yourself in that place. Oftentimes 00:27:02.940 --> 00:27:06.880 when we experience the grace of that kind of 00:27:06.880 --> 00:27:09.779 acceptance where we just are and we're not trying 00:27:09.779 --> 00:27:15.319 to change ourselves, there's a certain subtle 00:27:15.319 --> 00:27:20.740 ease that comes about, a relaxation. And that 00:27:20.740 --> 00:27:25.259 relaxation and that ease is a certain luminous 00:27:25.259 --> 00:27:31.880 quality because it's providing a place that is 00:27:31.880 --> 00:27:38.980 Love, safe, held, and that also could speak to 00:27:38.980 --> 00:27:42.460 it. When we take these dark moments and we have 00:27:42.460 --> 00:27:45.380 been given the grace to be there, there's something 00:27:45.380 --> 00:27:48.319 that the being there itself has a certain healing 00:27:48.319 --> 00:27:52.619 property to it alone. Or think about if a friend 00:27:52.619 --> 00:27:57.900 or a professional has really offered you true 00:27:57.900 --> 00:28:01.700 listening. And you may not be 100 % understood, 00:28:02.140 --> 00:28:03.700 because maybe they haven't gone through your 00:28:03.700 --> 00:28:08.460 experience, but you feel held, wordlessly held. 00:28:08.799 --> 00:28:11.380 There's something that's light -filled about 00:28:11.380 --> 00:28:15.019 that. And there's something that, in that light, 00:28:15.240 --> 00:28:18.700 it penetrates whatever is dark that you're sharing 00:28:18.700 --> 00:28:23.019 or revealing about yourself. I would say those 00:28:23.019 --> 00:28:29.150 are 3D examples of where you have Luminous darkness 00:28:29.150 --> 00:28:32.509 or a luminous void can feel very empty to be 00:28:32.509 --> 00:28:34.930 disconnected from ourselves and have darkness. 00:28:35.069 --> 00:28:38.849 Yeah, so That speaks to it a little bit. That's 00:28:38.849 --> 00:28:42.049 a really good try I appreciate it and it still 00:28:42.049 --> 00:28:45.309 is gonna take me a while to totally Grasp it, 00:28:45.470 --> 00:28:48.789 but there are times in life when you can feel 00:28:48.789 --> 00:28:51.930 For example, I love the ocean and there are times 00:28:51.930 --> 00:28:55.660 where when you're in the ocean And it's warm 00:28:55.660 --> 00:28:59.700 and sunny and beautiful. You feel a part of it, 00:29:00.299 --> 00:29:03.099 right? It's not like you and then there's the 00:29:03.099 --> 00:29:06.140 ocean. You feel like you are a part of it. Maybe 00:29:06.140 --> 00:29:09.599 that's a little tiny glimpse as to what you were 00:29:09.599 --> 00:29:13.759 feeling. That's a great example. Yeah. All right. 00:29:13.819 --> 00:29:16.900 Thank you for that. So how was your life different 00:29:16.900 --> 00:29:20.859 afterwards? I mean, I want a little bit of nitty 00:29:20.859 --> 00:29:23.079 gritty here. Like you were in the hospital for 00:29:23.079 --> 00:29:26.259 how long? And then what was your attitude like 00:29:26.259 --> 00:29:29.359 when you went back to the dorm? I didn't. I flew 00:29:29.359 --> 00:29:32.819 home. I was living in Santa Cruz and I flew home 00:29:32.819 --> 00:29:36.380 to Florida. I was crystal clear when I came back 00:29:36.380 --> 00:29:39.720 into body. I had this very dramatic blessing 00:29:39.720 --> 00:29:44.440 that happened in that. There was one of my guides 00:29:44.440 --> 00:29:49.759 who's formless came into form as a nurse. When 00:29:49.759 --> 00:29:53.430 I came back into my body. There was a nurse standing 00:29:53.430 --> 00:29:57.230 beside me and It was really one of my guides. 00:29:57.230 --> 00:30:00.490 I thought it was a nurse at the time She held 00:30:00.490 --> 00:30:05.750 me as I came back into my body and I wept I Just 00:30:05.750 --> 00:30:07.990 wept I don't even know how long I wept for but 00:30:07.990 --> 00:30:11.809 I wept and she held me and Then at a certain 00:30:11.809 --> 00:30:14.690 point I went to sleep I was never able to find 00:30:14.690 --> 00:30:17.569 and I could tell this this nurse was very lit 00:30:17.569 --> 00:30:21.180 up like it was very radiant Being but it informed 00:30:21.180 --> 00:30:23.500 because she was able to physically hold me I 00:30:23.500 --> 00:30:26.259 was never able to find that nurse which confirmed 00:30:26.259 --> 00:30:29.779 my sense that it was one of my guides So I was 00:30:29.779 --> 00:30:32.220 given a great grace in that transitioning back 00:30:32.220 --> 00:30:35.579 into the body. I didn't have to feel alone Because 00:30:35.579 --> 00:30:38.299 as individuals oftentimes in these moments we 00:30:38.299 --> 00:30:42.059 can feel really alone. I was clear as day that 00:30:42.059 --> 00:30:49.299 I wanted to understand myself better and I told 00:30:49.299 --> 00:30:52.039 the next day, of course, given the fact that 00:30:52.039 --> 00:30:55.140 I tried to take my life, they needed, you know, 00:30:55.200 --> 00:30:57.140 they they in the hospital, they went to meet 00:30:57.140 --> 00:31:00.039 with me. Like, am I still suicidal? What is my 00:31:00.039 --> 00:31:03.900 stability? You know, and all of that. So I immediately 00:31:03.900 --> 00:31:08.079 I only remember having one meeting, but there 00:31:08.079 --> 00:31:10.420 could have been more than one meeting. I said 00:31:10.420 --> 00:31:13.380 clearly, I said, I know I meant to fly home. 00:31:14.099 --> 00:31:18.599 And I know I am meant to go into therapy. I know 00:31:18.599 --> 00:31:24.339 I'm meant to understand the layers of this more 00:31:24.339 --> 00:31:30.259 for myself and for my life. I knew I was completely 00:31:30.259 --> 00:31:33.079 washed of the trauma. There was nothing suicidal 00:31:33.079 --> 00:31:36.039 in me that existed. So I wasn't worried. I didn't 00:31:36.039 --> 00:31:41.579 feel unstable. But I did know that I had experienced 00:31:41.579 --> 00:31:45.940 a level of freedom that I wanted to know what 00:31:45.940 --> 00:31:49.289 even took me down that path. On other levels 00:31:49.289 --> 00:31:51.910 not just the spiritual level, you know on the 00:31:51.910 --> 00:31:54.630 emotional level. What was the trauma that was 00:31:54.630 --> 00:31:58.089 unconsciously there? psychologically, what's 00:31:58.089 --> 00:32:02.029 my makeup as a human being and Simultaneously 00:32:02.029 --> 00:32:05.170 my mystical experiences which were very strong 00:32:05.170 --> 00:32:08.009 all my life. I've there's so many stories in 00:32:08.009 --> 00:32:10.250 my first book I tell a lot of the stories of 00:32:10.250 --> 00:32:13.630 these Very powerful mystical experiences that 00:32:13.630 --> 00:32:17.710 started when I was five And what's beautiful 00:32:17.710 --> 00:32:21.269 about this reality is I think it's so relatable. 00:32:22.049 --> 00:32:24.490 People can look at my mystical experiences and 00:32:24.490 --> 00:32:29.390 assume that I'm walking on a golden path and 00:32:29.390 --> 00:32:32.309 that nothing could touch me or trouble me. And 00:32:32.309 --> 00:32:35.769 then you encounter this dark night period that 00:32:35.769 --> 00:32:39.589 I went through. And it reminds us that being 00:32:39.589 --> 00:32:46.099 human is a very complex thing. And so it's very 00:32:46.099 --> 00:32:50.319 relatable to see that just because we have deep 00:32:50.319 --> 00:32:53.579 mystical experiences doesn't mean we're 100 % 00:32:53.579 --> 00:32:56.180 whole that we don't have growth to do and healing 00:32:56.180 --> 00:32:59.660 to do. My mystical experiences went off the chart. 00:33:00.220 --> 00:33:03.240 My spirituality over these, I'm close to 60 now, 00:33:03.240 --> 00:33:05.819 so it's been a lot of years. My spiritual is 00:33:05.819 --> 00:33:10.579 very different now, but back then I began experiencing 00:33:10.579 --> 00:33:15.579 being pursued by God. There was a personal God 00:33:15.579 --> 00:33:19.619 like a lover That I couldn't get away from it 00:33:19.619 --> 00:33:23.539 would fire up my whole body It would lead me 00:33:23.539 --> 00:33:27.759 into long periods of contemplation Prayer was 00:33:27.759 --> 00:33:31.279 an active part of course but it was even different 00:33:31.279 --> 00:33:33.960 than prayer was just being assumed into deep 00:33:33.960 --> 00:33:39.079 states of presence and quiet and bliss I mean, 00:33:39.119 --> 00:33:41.519 it went off the charts and I was having visions 00:33:41.519 --> 00:33:44.480 and miraculous phenomena. I went through five 00:33:44.480 --> 00:33:47.579 years of being like Eckhart Tolle on the park 00:33:47.579 --> 00:33:51.500 bench. So Eckhart Tolle talks about when he suffered 00:33:51.500 --> 00:33:56.480 severe depression and then he was given the capacity 00:33:56.480 --> 00:34:01.960 to really let go. And he said, now I'm paraphrasing, 00:34:02.059 --> 00:34:04.259 I may get it a little wrong, but the point is 00:34:04.259 --> 00:34:08.480 that he felt like he was sucked into a vortex, 00:34:09.860 --> 00:34:13.519 moving at really fast speeds into the unknown. 00:34:14.239 --> 00:34:17.539 And in that, he was released of this severe, 00:34:17.739 --> 00:34:20.860 debilitating depression. And after that, he says 00:34:20.860 --> 00:34:23.739 it was like sitting on a park bench because the 00:34:23.739 --> 00:34:27.179 world was so magnificent. You were just experiencing 00:34:27.179 --> 00:34:29.739 so much connectivity to everything in the world 00:34:29.739 --> 00:34:33.079 and such sweetness that you're just not grounded. 00:34:33.940 --> 00:34:37.460 That's my five years after all of that were a 00:34:37.460 --> 00:34:40.460 bit like that, but they were filled with synchronicity 00:34:40.460 --> 00:34:43.739 as well. So I went back to Florida and I went 00:34:43.739 --> 00:34:48.300 through, I put myself through intense period 00:34:48.300 --> 00:34:51.780 of therapy while simultaneously having these 00:34:51.780 --> 00:34:55.420 very deep mystical experiences. And I learned 00:34:55.420 --> 00:34:59.659 so much about myself, about human development. 00:35:00.360 --> 00:35:06.000 I grew even more in the depth of intimacy with 00:35:06.000 --> 00:35:09.139 me as a human being. Then I ended up moving back 00:35:09.139 --> 00:35:15.079 to Santa Cruz. And then I had this synchronicity 00:35:15.079 --> 00:35:17.059 set up where I started working with the homeless. 00:35:17.960 --> 00:35:21.300 And I happened to find myself magnetized into 00:35:21.300 --> 00:35:25.300 a group of about five to 10 people that were 00:35:25.300 --> 00:35:29.059 all having really life changing times in their 00:35:29.059 --> 00:35:31.579 spiritual journey. And we would gather for long 00:35:31.579 --> 00:35:36.559 periods of silent abiding and prayer. And so 00:35:36.559 --> 00:35:38.800 it was very powerful. It's like I call it the 00:35:38.800 --> 00:35:42.440 honeymoon period between me and the divine. So, 00:35:42.440 --> 00:35:46.179 I mean, things just catapulted. You mentioned 00:35:46.179 --> 00:35:48.800 how you liked the word that the veil was thin. 00:35:48.980 --> 00:35:51.800 It was almost like there was no veil. I would 00:35:51.800 --> 00:35:53.880 be helping an older person because I was getting 00:35:53.880 --> 00:35:56.079 into home health care because I love helping 00:35:56.079 --> 00:36:00.440 people. They would shape shift into Christ or 00:36:00.440 --> 00:36:05.019 into angels or into saints. By location happened. 00:36:05.380 --> 00:36:11.599 Lots of miracles, lots of fast healing for myself 00:36:11.599 --> 00:36:15.579 or others, being taken up where I would have 00:36:15.579 --> 00:36:19.260 visions. All these things really were my daily 00:36:19.260 --> 00:36:22.400 bread. And it was very grounded because it wasn't 00:36:22.400 --> 00:36:25.420 just during my time of solitude. It was with 00:36:25.420 --> 00:36:28.820 everybody as well. So that eventually led me 00:36:28.820 --> 00:36:31.719 to join a monastery because it was just the natural 00:36:31.719 --> 00:36:34.280 next step. I was already living a monastic life 00:36:34.280 --> 00:36:38.559 and I was so on fire with love that I just had 00:36:38.559 --> 00:36:40.880 to be with the beloved. It was that simple. I 00:36:40.880 --> 00:36:44.559 just had to. All right. Before we wrap up, you've 00:36:44.559 --> 00:36:48.550 written how many books now? Three books. Three 00:36:48.550 --> 00:36:52.010 books? What's the most recent one? Miracles in 00:36:52.010 --> 00:36:56.949 the Naked Light. Oh, I like the title. Okay. 00:36:57.389 --> 00:36:59.730 I've got to give that one a try. For somebody 00:36:59.730 --> 00:37:01.849 out there today who may be struggling, because 00:37:01.849 --> 00:37:04.349 there's a lot of tough things in life, and I'm 00:37:04.349 --> 00:37:06.429 not sure the date that this episode is going 00:37:06.429 --> 00:37:09.949 to come out, but just last week we had some really 00:37:09.949 --> 00:37:13.409 traumatic things happen in this country and really 00:37:13.409 --> 00:37:16.269 right down the road from where I live. Give us 00:37:16.269 --> 00:37:19.730 a message of hope. Based on the things that you've 00:37:19.730 --> 00:37:23.389 learned and you've come to be, why should people 00:37:23.389 --> 00:37:27.090 have hope in the future not only here while they're 00:37:27.090 --> 00:37:32.429 in body but afterwards? I've experienced that 00:37:32.429 --> 00:37:38.250 what is true is that we are in form impelled 00:37:38.250 --> 00:37:44.769 by an uncreated source that delights in us. and 00:37:44.769 --> 00:37:49.369 that the fulfillment of the journey of the formless 00:37:49.369 --> 00:37:52.949 becoming form, that the fulfillment of the journey 00:37:52.949 --> 00:37:58.510 has only one end, and that end is union in the 00:37:58.510 --> 00:38:03.469 fullness of this eternal love and light. And 00:38:03.469 --> 00:38:08.969 in that alone, love casts out fear. In that alone 00:38:08.969 --> 00:38:14.829 comes the insight on how to navigate the uncertainties, 00:38:15.449 --> 00:38:18.010 the complexities, and the difficulties of this 00:38:18.010 --> 00:38:22.570 life. In that alone, we find the way to open 00:38:22.570 --> 00:38:27.269 up that we can embody that love. And I know this 00:38:27.269 --> 00:38:30.510 is mysterious, and it can feel unreal. It can 00:38:30.510 --> 00:38:32.789 feel like a concept if you're going through something 00:38:32.789 --> 00:38:37.570 that is so troubling. But... If you can open 00:38:37.570 --> 00:38:40.710 up to the unknown, to the possibility that it's 00:38:40.710 --> 00:38:46.010 true, you give some space to experience it. And 00:38:46.010 --> 00:38:49.909 it's in the space of experiencing it that you 00:38:49.909 --> 00:38:53.530 can discover the truth that sets you free. I 00:38:53.530 --> 00:38:56.789 believe there's only one end, and that end is 00:38:56.789 --> 00:39:01.730 the happy ending that is beyond our wildest imagining. 00:39:02.190 --> 00:39:05.579 And you had mentioned earlier two things. That 00:39:05.579 --> 00:39:08.280 really stuck out to me one was the word freedom 00:39:08.280 --> 00:39:10.820 and we've talked quite a bit about that. The 00:39:10.820 --> 00:39:13.980 other was coming home Would you expound on that 00:39:13.980 --> 00:39:18.280 just a little bit? Yes So in my own experience 00:39:18.280 --> 00:39:21.420 that we inform we in these bodies and with these 00:39:21.420 --> 00:39:25.099 souls and with this journey we're taking That 00:39:25.099 --> 00:39:28.480 it's a bit like the Wizard of Oz We're on the 00:39:28.480 --> 00:39:32.119 path to awakening that coming home is awakening 00:39:32.119 --> 00:39:37.159 to self and that our very center is that self 00:39:37.159 --> 00:39:42.079 capital S. So the body is the very way that we 00:39:42.079 --> 00:39:46.219 are journeying to the lesson of coming home to 00:39:46.219 --> 00:39:50.219 source and self. And again, this is an experiential, 00:39:50.280 --> 00:39:53.380 it's a very intimate and tender journey and you 00:39:53.380 --> 00:39:58.380 deserve the respect and community and the companionship 00:39:58.380 --> 00:40:03.699 and the support. To make that journey with vulnerability 00:40:03.699 --> 00:40:07.599 and trust Thank you, Kimberly. I wasn't able 00:40:07.599 --> 00:40:10.179 to make it to ions this year, but I'll see you 00:40:10.179 --> 00:40:13.400 there next year, right? I Will look forward to 00:40:13.400 --> 00:40:15.739 seeing you there next year And and if you want 00:40:15.739 --> 00:40:18.199 to connect with me before my website Kimberly 00:40:18.199 --> 00:40:23.659 Braun calm has everything online community videos 00:40:23.659 --> 00:40:28.159 that are free, other resources, courses. It's 00:40:28.159 --> 00:40:30.820 a great way to connect. So Eric, if you're inclined 00:40:30.820 --> 00:40:33.760 or if you're listening, drop me an email or join 00:40:33.760 --> 00:40:36.920 my newsletter and let's stay connected. Well, 00:40:37.099 --> 00:40:39.000 stick that link in the show notes. Thanks again, 00:40:39.179 --> 00:40:44.590 Kimberly. Thank you. Blessings. Thanks again 00:40:44.590 --> 00:40:47.170 for listening and sharing this podcast. 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