WEBVTT 00:00:03.749 --> 00:00:06.750 From the time that they pronounced me dead was 00:00:06.750 --> 00:00:10.210 a good 45 minutes. They cut my clothes and then 00:00:10.210 --> 00:00:13.130 they paddled. My heart, my heart had stopped 00:00:13.130 --> 00:00:16.129 and I could see people screaming and crying but 00:00:16.129 --> 00:00:18.589 I didn't realize that was actually my physical 00:00:18.589 --> 00:00:22.010 body because I was somewhere else. The only thing 00:00:22.010 --> 00:00:25.370 that I could feel if you could imagine absolute 00:00:25.370 --> 00:00:28.510 love and peace, there wasn't anything else to 00:00:28.510 --> 00:00:31.600 be felt. I was greeted by people I'd known in 00:00:31.600 --> 00:00:35.079 the past. I'm back home again. Incredibly safe 00:00:35.079 --> 00:00:40.560 and felt at home. Welcome, welcome to Round Trip 00:00:40.560 --> 00:00:43.079 Death, everybody. We're so happy that you're 00:00:43.079 --> 00:00:46.159 here and we're happy to introduce today's guest, 00:00:46.399 --> 00:00:49.420 Ned Barnett, coming to us from Henderson, Nevada. 00:00:49.500 --> 00:00:52.850 How are you, Ned? Doing fine, thank you. People 00:00:52.850 --> 00:00:55.829 are going to be so intrigued with your near -death 00:00:55.829 --> 00:00:58.890 experience. I promise it's different than anything 00:00:58.890 --> 00:01:02.090 you've ever heard before. We'll jump into that 00:01:02.090 --> 00:01:05.129 just momentarily, but before we do, I want everybody 00:01:05.129 --> 00:01:08.569 to get to know who Ned is. So you realize he 00:01:08.569 --> 00:01:12.250 is a real live human being. So Ned, just tell 00:01:12.250 --> 00:01:15.370 me a little bit about you. I have all my professional 00:01:15.370 --> 00:01:18.730 life. I have been a writer doing public relations, 00:01:18.810 --> 00:01:21.930 advertising and marketing for my clients or employers. 00:01:22.239 --> 00:01:25.879 And when I hit 65 and had Social Security coming 00:01:25.879 --> 00:01:29.099 in, I said, the market's not as profitable, but 00:01:29.099 --> 00:01:31.540 it's where my heart is. So I started working 00:01:31.540 --> 00:01:37.180 with authors. I have published 41 books. 19 of 00:01:37.180 --> 00:01:39.480 them were ghostwritten for clients who wanted 00:01:39.480 --> 00:01:41.780 a book, whether story told, but didn't know how 00:01:41.780 --> 00:01:45.060 to do it. So I've been successful at that. And 00:01:45.060 --> 00:01:47.840 it's been a real treat. Authors are very interesting 00:01:47.840 --> 00:01:50.480 people, not me necessarily, but the ones I work 00:01:50.480 --> 00:01:53.769 with are. And just coincidentally, my wife has 00:01:53.769 --> 00:01:56.129 her master's in communication and had been a 00:01:56.129 --> 00:01:59.670 book editor. So I started working with my clients 00:01:59.670 --> 00:02:02.370 through her. So the final books that they published 00:02:02.370 --> 00:02:06.129 were professionally edited, high quality. My 00:02:06.129 --> 00:02:09.370 wife and I have had a wonderful relationship. 00:02:09.569 --> 00:02:12.689 I've been married 50 years, but that took three 00:02:12.689 --> 00:02:16.439 marriages to do it. The first one. was a learning 00:02:16.439 --> 00:02:18.319 one and I made all the mistakes and you know 00:02:18.319 --> 00:02:21.319 if I could go back and do it over again it would 00:02:21.319 --> 00:02:23.500 have been a wonderful marriage. My ex -wife is 00:02:23.500 --> 00:02:26.659 a wonderful person. We've become friends, kind 00:02:26.659 --> 00:02:30.740 of bonded because our son's a little hard to 00:02:30.740 --> 00:02:35.199 manage and we commiserate on that. My second 00:02:35.199 --> 00:02:38.819 one was well she had suffered a number of tragedies 00:02:38.819 --> 00:02:42.800 and eventually wound up taking her own life because 00:02:42.800 --> 00:02:46.270 she was We'd lost a son, and she'd lost a son 00:02:46.270 --> 00:02:48.310 from an earlier marriage. She couldn't handle 00:02:48.310 --> 00:02:51.669 it. While we were together, she was being medically 00:02:51.669 --> 00:02:54.550 treated by a surgeon. She was getting eye problems. 00:02:55.009 --> 00:02:57.550 And he would put in, literally shooting her eyeball, 00:02:57.770 --> 00:03:00.090 a dye that would then, you know, he could look 00:03:00.090 --> 00:03:03.449 in and see what was going wrong. She started 00:03:03.449 --> 00:03:06.469 showing allergic symptoms and we told him that 00:03:06.469 --> 00:03:08.669 and he didn't change it. Then he gave her one 00:03:08.669 --> 00:03:12.270 more and she basically went into a near -death 00:03:12.270 --> 00:03:14.550 experience. That was my first exposure to near 00:03:14.550 --> 00:03:19.449 -death. She became psychic because of that. And 00:03:19.449 --> 00:03:22.189 I've not been a big believer in psychic, but 00:03:22.189 --> 00:03:25.710 she was able to wear things like she knew two 00:03:25.710 --> 00:03:29.610 weeks in advance. what the episode next episode 00:03:29.610 --> 00:03:32.090 of star trek next generation would be we're both 00:03:32.090 --> 00:03:34.449 star trek fans but she knew it in advance and 00:03:34.449 --> 00:03:37.009 told me we realize this we started writing it 00:03:37.009 --> 00:03:39.569 down and checking it out she was finally written 00:03:39.569 --> 00:03:43.189 up in a very prestigious paranormal magazine 00:03:43.189 --> 00:03:46.250 and it was called suddenly psychic because this 00:03:46.250 --> 00:03:48.689 near -death experience this is getting bizarre 00:03:48.689 --> 00:03:52.500 before we even get going. That's okay. We're 00:03:52.500 --> 00:03:54.580 going to have fun today. I want to hear about 00:03:54.580 --> 00:03:57.419 your experience. And this was just eight years 00:03:57.419 --> 00:04:00.639 ago. And I know you had sepsis. Could you tell 00:04:00.639 --> 00:04:03.659 us just briefly what led up to that to you getting 00:04:03.659 --> 00:04:09.139 so sick? Well, I had a bladder infection, a chronic 00:04:09.139 --> 00:04:10.860 one that kept coming back. It wouldn't respond 00:04:10.860 --> 00:04:13.780 to treatment. I had had some radiation treatment 00:04:13.780 --> 00:04:17.459 for a medical condition and it burned and scarred 00:04:17.459 --> 00:04:20.319 the bladder and that made it prone to these infections. 00:04:20.829 --> 00:04:22.970 And I was under treatment for it, but it wasn't 00:04:22.970 --> 00:04:26.829 working for a year and a half. And then one day 00:04:26.829 --> 00:04:30.050 it got really bad, which led to sepsis, which 00:04:30.050 --> 00:04:34.670 is basically a blood infection. So it goes everywhere 00:04:34.670 --> 00:04:38.649 and it can be fatal, as I quickly found out. 00:04:39.149 --> 00:04:42.870 And it attacks all your organs. So it's not something 00:04:42.870 --> 00:04:45.910 you want to have. So anyway, I was on my way 00:04:45.910 --> 00:04:49.949 to meet a client at the Starbucks in Barnes and 00:04:49.949 --> 00:04:52.139 Noble. because I was dealing with writer clients. 00:04:52.199 --> 00:04:53.819 I like to meet in a bookstore, just the right 00:04:53.819 --> 00:04:59.339 atmosphere for it. And I fell four times going 00:04:59.339 --> 00:05:02.279 from my car into Barnes and Noble. I said, this 00:05:02.279 --> 00:05:05.379 isn't right. So I just turned around, drove home, 00:05:05.920 --> 00:05:08.839 told my wife what was going on, and called an 00:05:08.839 --> 00:05:12.779 ambulance and rushed to the hospital. We barely 00:05:12.779 --> 00:05:16.040 got it right because I was in the ER and they 00:05:16.040 --> 00:05:19.160 were trying to deal with this when I died on 00:05:19.160 --> 00:05:22.560 the table. and they were able to bring me back. 00:05:23.199 --> 00:05:25.860 And then I died again, and these two doctors 00:05:25.860 --> 00:05:28.120 who were working on me thought they wouldn't 00:05:28.120 --> 00:05:30.500 be able to bring me back. I was dead and they 00:05:30.500 --> 00:05:34.639 were ready to, you know, call it, you know, code 00:05:34.639 --> 00:05:37.540 it, time it, and all this kind of stuff. Coincidentally, 00:05:38.339 --> 00:05:41.519 and coincidences play a great role in my life, 00:05:42.120 --> 00:05:45.180 these two doctors, they had been my kidney doctor 00:05:45.180 --> 00:05:48.319 and my heart doctor for several years. We had 00:05:48.319 --> 00:05:50.920 relationships. They knew who I was. And I think 00:05:50.920 --> 00:05:53.019 they were really trying because there was that 00:05:53.019 --> 00:05:55.639 bond there. They were doing things that made 00:05:55.639 --> 00:05:58.259 no sense, but one of them worked and they brought 00:05:58.259 --> 00:06:03.199 me back. So I survived both times. Months later, 00:06:03.860 --> 00:06:06.939 separately, I talked to each of them separately 00:06:06.939 --> 00:06:10.019 at my next appointment with them. And they said, 00:06:10.259 --> 00:06:12.980 you know, you died twice on the table. They hadn't 00:06:12.980 --> 00:06:15.600 told me this at the time. The second time, we 00:06:15.600 --> 00:06:16.660 didn't think we were going to bring it back. 00:06:16.779 --> 00:06:18.759 We tried everything and it just wasn't working. 00:06:19.280 --> 00:06:22.360 But apparently something worked. And so I was 00:06:22.360 --> 00:06:25.259 there. And that helped me to shape the experience 00:06:25.259 --> 00:06:28.300 I had because while I was under, while I was 00:06:28.300 --> 00:06:32.519 dead, I lived three different lives. And this 00:06:32.519 --> 00:06:35.199 would have been the second time because I was 00:06:35.199 --> 00:06:37.759 dead for quite a while. And this is the part 00:06:37.759 --> 00:06:39.459 that people are going to have a little bit of 00:06:39.459 --> 00:06:42.480 a hard time wrapping their minds around. I don't 00:06:42.480 --> 00:06:44.920 even know what to say. This is very unusual. 00:06:45.420 --> 00:06:48.000 And I want to break it out so that it's clear. 00:06:48.160 --> 00:06:51.600 for all of us to understand. Would it make sense, 00:06:51.740 --> 00:06:55.040 Ned, if we just start with out of the three lives, 00:06:55.339 --> 00:06:59.439 were they happening simultaneously? And let's 00:06:59.439 --> 00:07:02.019 start with number one and let's go through it 00:07:02.019 --> 00:07:03.600 and then we'll go from there. Does that sound 00:07:03.600 --> 00:07:07.540 good? Sure. They were not simultaneous. They 00:07:07.540 --> 00:07:11.019 came one after the other and they were very different, 00:07:11.199 --> 00:07:15.939 but each one had a focus and a message. that 00:07:15.939 --> 00:07:18.319 as I now understand, okay, I was dead when this 00:07:18.319 --> 00:07:21.139 happened. That really caught my attention. The 00:07:21.139 --> 00:07:26.720 first one, I was creating things from my mind, 00:07:26.939 --> 00:07:29.660 not like some science fiction weird thing where 00:07:29.660 --> 00:07:31.600 I could beam it in there, but I would come up 00:07:31.600 --> 00:07:33.980 with these ideas and I could create them and 00:07:33.980 --> 00:07:36.300 share them with other people. I wasn't doing 00:07:36.300 --> 00:07:39.480 it for economic gain. I was just sharing things 00:07:39.480 --> 00:07:43.899 with other people. I think this was an influencer 00:07:43.899 --> 00:07:49.180 on me changing my career path from corporations 00:07:49.180 --> 00:07:51.819 to individual writers that I could help one way 00:07:51.819 --> 00:07:56.480 or another. What was weird was I existed in this 00:07:56.480 --> 00:08:00.519 plane, but it was kind of a gray area. There 00:08:00.519 --> 00:08:04.920 was no ground, there was no ceiling, no walls, 00:08:05.220 --> 00:08:07.459 just floated around. Other people floated around 00:08:07.459 --> 00:08:10.240 too. And we were able to connect one with the 00:08:10.240 --> 00:08:13.800 other. in this realm and this is where I got 00:08:13.800 --> 00:08:17.420 ideas that I could then create and then bring 00:08:17.420 --> 00:08:19.939 them into physical existence and then share them 00:08:19.939 --> 00:08:23.220 with other people. Most part of it was it was 00:08:23.220 --> 00:08:27.699 creative, very creative, really excited me in 00:08:27.699 --> 00:08:31.660 this space and time and floating around was like 00:08:31.660 --> 00:08:34.559 being in outer space with no gravity except there 00:08:34.559 --> 00:08:36.620 was not even the appearance of like stars and 00:08:36.620 --> 00:08:39.710 blackness which is all light gray. That motivated 00:08:39.710 --> 00:08:45.029 me to want to be creative and to help other people 00:08:45.029 --> 00:08:48.230 benefit from that creativity. And so I started 00:08:48.230 --> 00:08:50.210 working with authors, either ghost writing their 00:08:50.210 --> 00:08:53.470 books or helping them write it or marketing it 00:08:53.470 --> 00:08:55.850 so it would sell well so other people would get 00:08:55.850 --> 00:08:59.169 it. And I got personal validation doing that. 00:08:59.330 --> 00:09:01.769 I made a living. It wasn't a fantastic living, 00:09:01.809 --> 00:09:04.029 but it was enough. So that was the first one. 00:09:04.350 --> 00:09:07.129 Can I ask you a couple questions before you move 00:09:07.129 --> 00:09:09.669 on to the next one? Was there anything else you 00:09:09.669 --> 00:09:13.070 wanted to clarify in that first one first? Well, 00:09:13.210 --> 00:09:16.529 it seemed like I lived a long life. I was very 00:09:16.529 --> 00:09:18.049 comfortable where I was. It wasn't like, wow, 00:09:18.090 --> 00:09:21.490 this is strange. I felt like it was really, I 00:09:21.490 --> 00:09:23.330 was really there. It was really happening on 00:09:23.330 --> 00:09:25.830 another plane. I lived in it. I don't know how 00:09:25.830 --> 00:09:28.110 long it went on, but it felt like I lived that 00:09:28.110 --> 00:09:31.029 way for years. It wasn't like a brief moment. 00:09:31.340 --> 00:09:34.279 And so I had experience with a lot of ideas and 00:09:34.279 --> 00:09:36.779 a lot of people coming to me. They bring their 00:09:36.779 --> 00:09:39.659 ideas to me that I can manifest into the world 00:09:39.659 --> 00:09:43.320 or they came to me and wanted one of the ideas 00:09:43.320 --> 00:09:46.399 that I had developed. It was a blissful, positive 00:09:46.399 --> 00:09:49.919 place and I was being able to work with people 00:09:49.919 --> 00:09:53.620 and help people and go forward with it. Have 00:09:53.620 --> 00:09:57.190 you tried to put any name on this place? Some 00:09:57.190 --> 00:09:59.929 people, where they go, they'll call heaven, or 00:09:59.929 --> 00:10:02.470 they'll call a void, or they'll call it something 00:10:02.470 --> 00:10:05.590 else. Have you done that? It would be a void 00:10:05.590 --> 00:10:10.029 more than heaven. I'm a believer. I'm not an 00:10:10.029 --> 00:10:12.769 evangelist, but I am a believer, and I was then. 00:10:13.649 --> 00:10:18.370 It didn't have religious overtones. It wasn't 00:10:18.370 --> 00:10:21.230 like in Revelation where you have you know, the 00:10:21.230 --> 00:10:24.490 angels and the believers and the thrones and 00:10:24.490 --> 00:10:26.669 all that kind of stuff. It was just this place 00:10:26.669 --> 00:10:29.730 of peace and tranquility. And it wasn't like 00:10:29.730 --> 00:10:32.230 there was no God, it just wasn't a factor in 00:10:32.230 --> 00:10:35.090 this experience that I had. And you're floating. 00:10:35.149 --> 00:10:38.370 Do you remember seeing anything? Was it light? 00:10:38.649 --> 00:10:41.710 Was there like an earth or planets? Or what did 00:10:41.710 --> 00:10:44.669 you see besides other people, you said? It was 00:10:44.669 --> 00:10:48.570 like I see other people. And things that I created 00:10:48.570 --> 00:10:51.659 were physical. And as I said, I didn't manifest 00:10:51.659 --> 00:10:54.279 them through my mind. I actually built them, 00:10:54.419 --> 00:10:57.379 assembled them, then say, here's how to do this. 00:10:57.500 --> 00:11:00.879 Anybody wants it, here it is. I didn't go into 00:11:00.879 --> 00:11:03.820 manufacturing them because I wanted anybody could 00:11:03.820 --> 00:11:06.120 take them and do what they want with them. That 00:11:06.120 --> 00:11:08.799 was it. It just didn't, you know, it wasn't like 00:11:08.799 --> 00:11:11.740 a production line. But these ideas you had were 00:11:11.740 --> 00:11:14.960 things that applied to earth life here. They 00:11:14.960 --> 00:11:17.519 didn't apply to some heavenly spiritual kind 00:11:17.519 --> 00:11:21.759 of experience. No. Interesting. The people that 00:11:21.759 --> 00:11:25.220 I saw who drifted into my realm of existence, 00:11:26.320 --> 00:11:28.740 there was no propulsion or anything. There was 00:11:28.740 --> 00:11:32.460 no way to walk. They were there. They were just 00:11:32.460 --> 00:11:35.019 like you and me. They looked dressed in normal 00:11:35.019 --> 00:11:39.480 clothing. They had personalities and things like 00:11:39.480 --> 00:11:41.980 that. They were real people. They treated me 00:11:41.980 --> 00:11:44.179 and I treated them like real people. But it was 00:11:44.179 --> 00:11:46.379 in a place where there was no competitiveness. 00:11:46.460 --> 00:11:49.690 There was no... negativity or hostility, it just 00:11:49.690 --> 00:11:52.070 wasn't like it wasn't possible in that place. 00:11:52.429 --> 00:11:54.289 I really hadn't thought about it until you asked 00:11:54.289 --> 00:11:57.169 that question because I only looked at it from 00:11:57.169 --> 00:12:00.370 from my perspective, which is why I was there, 00:12:00.549 --> 00:12:02.809 experienced it still. I didn't know what questions 00:12:02.809 --> 00:12:06.070 to ask. Are there any other adjectives you could 00:12:06.070 --> 00:12:10.529 put to how you felt? I felt wonderful. I felt 00:12:10.529 --> 00:12:13.990 relaxed. I felt creative, not in a competitive 00:12:13.990 --> 00:12:16.720 sense, but just in, you know, Here's something 00:12:16.720 --> 00:12:19.159 I can do. Other people were creative and they 00:12:19.159 --> 00:12:21.179 helped me with their, you know, things they were 00:12:21.179 --> 00:12:23.820 doing that I wanted to know more about her to 00:12:23.820 --> 00:12:26.720 do. It made me think that I knew what being in 00:12:26.720 --> 00:12:29.980 space was, you know, in that it was kind of a 00:12:29.980 --> 00:12:32.320 weightless thing. But it had, you know, it didn't 00:12:32.320 --> 00:12:34.659 have a sky and a planet down below or anything 00:12:34.659 --> 00:12:37.740 like that. It was just this white, almost dove 00:12:37.740 --> 00:12:41.360 color. You know, dove gray is just a soft white 00:12:41.360 --> 00:12:45.080 gray. Do you have any recollection of how you 00:12:45.080 --> 00:12:49.080 got there or how you went from this to experience 00:12:49.080 --> 00:12:54.659 number two? No, it just started and then it stopped 00:12:54.659 --> 00:12:57.000 but there was no sense of starting or stopping. 00:12:57.100 --> 00:12:59.740 I mean I was doing it and then it was gone and 00:12:59.740 --> 00:13:02.059 the next one started up, seemed to start up right 00:13:02.059 --> 00:13:04.840 away. Okay, let's go with that one. What happened 00:13:04.840 --> 00:13:08.500 there? This is the one that I have the least 00:13:08.500 --> 00:13:13.049 memory of because I think it was about My life 00:13:13.049 --> 00:13:17.049 as I was living it right then. And I was doing 00:13:17.049 --> 00:13:18.789 things that anybody would do in their normal 00:13:18.789 --> 00:13:23.230 life. I was resolving things that I hadn't known 00:13:23.230 --> 00:13:26.389 I needed to be resolved. But it was a normal 00:13:26.389 --> 00:13:29.429 place. You know, there was a floor, there was 00:13:29.429 --> 00:13:32.250 a ceiling, there were walls. You could look out 00:13:32.250 --> 00:13:34.830 the window and see the sunlight or the moon. 00:13:35.190 --> 00:13:37.549 It was a normal place. And I was doing normal 00:13:37.549 --> 00:13:41.350 things. But it wasn't as Ned Barnett. It was 00:13:41.350 --> 00:13:44.080 just... who I was then. So there's not a lot 00:13:44.080 --> 00:13:46.899 to remember there, but I think I was probably 00:13:46.899 --> 00:13:50.200 being shown ways that I can live my life better 00:13:50.200 --> 00:13:53.799 than I was because after all this was done, I 00:13:53.799 --> 00:13:57.700 was doing better emotionally, spiritually, and 00:13:57.700 --> 00:14:01.440 eventually physically when I recovered from the 00:14:01.440 --> 00:14:04.000 sepsis. So there's not much there to say, but 00:14:04.000 --> 00:14:06.620 it helped me improve my life. It helped me see 00:14:06.620 --> 00:14:09.389 things. Just as the... first one helped me to 00:14:09.389 --> 00:14:12.009 see that I had something to give to other people 00:14:12.009 --> 00:14:14.909 to help them in their journeys wherever they 00:14:14.909 --> 00:14:17.250 were going and that that was something positive 00:14:17.250 --> 00:14:19.789 and rewarding and that helped me shift my business 00:14:19.789 --> 00:14:22.809 focus to working with individual writers who 00:14:22.809 --> 00:14:27.409 had either they could write but not through professional 00:14:27.409 --> 00:14:29.070 standards or they didn't think they could write 00:14:29.070 --> 00:14:31.409 at all but they had their own compelling story 00:14:31.409 --> 00:14:35.190 to tell and I just for instance helped a woman 00:14:35.190 --> 00:14:38.830 in the Midwest who was running for governor of 00:14:38.830 --> 00:14:43.809 her state to do a campaign biography. It was 00:14:43.809 --> 00:14:46.850 actually an entertaining and informative autobiography, 00:14:47.090 --> 00:14:49.289 but I wrote it for her. Everybody needs something 00:14:49.289 --> 00:14:52.909 different. Yeah. But I can't talk a lot about 00:14:52.909 --> 00:14:55.889 that one because it really is not something I 00:14:55.889 --> 00:14:59.289 can stick really cling to. It was a transition 00:14:59.289 --> 00:15:03.330 from the one to the next one. The third one was 00:15:03.330 --> 00:15:07.769 the most active and most Interesting and you 00:15:07.769 --> 00:15:10.370 know to me in a variety of ways. I would like 00:15:10.370 --> 00:15:12.929 to move on to that one Yeah, give me all the 00:15:12.929 --> 00:15:17.049 detail you have I was in this third place and 00:15:17.049 --> 00:15:20.570 it was like the real world But I was kind of 00:15:20.570 --> 00:15:23.250 a larger -than -life person. I physically manifested 00:15:23.250 --> 00:15:27.970 as about six five and not skinny Whereas normally 00:15:27.970 --> 00:15:31.529 I'm five nine and could lose a few pounds Anyway, 00:15:31.529 --> 00:15:37.159 I was in this place and I had two parallel jobs. 00:15:37.460 --> 00:15:43.580 They work together. One of them was I was a hostage 00:15:43.580 --> 00:15:46.860 negotiator. And if that didn't work, I would 00:15:46.860 --> 00:15:50.240 lead a SWAT team in to recover, save people who've 00:15:50.240 --> 00:15:51.759 been kidnapped or trapped, something like that. 00:15:51.759 --> 00:15:54.620 People in real trouble, you know, school shooters 00:15:54.620 --> 00:15:57.100 in the school, something like that. And I was 00:15:57.100 --> 00:16:02.159 there to go and resolve it. And this was a very 00:16:02.159 --> 00:16:06.399 active thing to be doing. very rewarding, but 00:16:06.399 --> 00:16:09.659 it was dangerous and it was crisis -filled and 00:16:09.659 --> 00:16:12.340 I was able to save people and that meant a lot. 00:16:12.940 --> 00:16:18.519 The other thing I was, was I was a reality TV 00:16:18.519 --> 00:16:22.220 program host and created a producer and what 00:16:22.220 --> 00:16:25.059 I did in this TV program was go in and rescue 00:16:25.059 --> 00:16:28.480 people. So as I'm preparing to go, you know, 00:16:28.600 --> 00:16:32.019 rescue somebody or grab a school shooter and 00:16:32.019 --> 00:16:34.990 stop the violence, Rather than just doing that, 00:16:35.429 --> 00:16:39.809 I was creating these TV episodes. I didn't care 00:16:39.809 --> 00:16:42.110 about the fame, but it was wildly famous. It 00:16:42.110 --> 00:16:44.309 was successful. And that's where people knew 00:16:44.309 --> 00:16:46.549 to contact me because they had seen me in action. 00:16:47.250 --> 00:16:50.009 So I would go in leading the charge to rescue 00:16:50.009 --> 00:16:51.929 somebody. Well, I have a microphone in my hand, 00:16:51.929 --> 00:16:55.470 you know, and a Steadicam, a guy with a Steadicam 00:16:55.470 --> 00:16:58.730 with me. You know, we charge into these places. 00:16:58.750 --> 00:17:00.830 And I had a crew with me, but, you know, I was 00:17:00.830 --> 00:17:03.090 the leader then. I don't know where the two come 00:17:03.090 --> 00:17:06.710 together except that I can have an impact in 00:17:06.710 --> 00:17:10.289 my life and I can also document it and share 00:17:10.289 --> 00:17:13.369 it with people so that they can see those experiences 00:17:13.369 --> 00:17:15.970 and understand them better. But it was a lot 00:17:15.970 --> 00:17:18.029 of fun. It was actually, I mean, it was adrenaline 00:17:18.029 --> 00:17:21.109 and all this kind of thing. In episode number 00:17:21.109 --> 00:17:24.369 three, or let's call it experience number three. 00:17:24.589 --> 00:17:27.730 Were you still in this floaty kind of place that 00:17:27.730 --> 00:17:30.490 you were in number one or was this more of a 00:17:30.490 --> 00:17:34.930 reality 3D kind of physical place? Reality 3D 00:17:34.930 --> 00:17:38.130 kind of place. You know, it could have been in 00:17:38.130 --> 00:17:40.890 Minneapolis at that, you know, the shooter who 00:17:40.890 --> 00:17:43.309 attacked all those children, you know, in the 00:17:43.309 --> 00:17:45.109 church that was attached to the church school. 00:17:45.430 --> 00:17:47.289 I wrote an article that was published today about 00:17:47.289 --> 00:17:49.650 that and about that one in Nashville, which is 00:17:49.650 --> 00:17:51.869 also a church school. It was published earlier 00:17:51.869 --> 00:17:55.390 today on American Thinker. But anyway, it was 00:17:55.390 --> 00:17:59.089 real. It was very real. If I tripped and stumbled, 00:17:59.170 --> 00:18:01.829 I would skin my knee and it would hurt. You know, 00:18:01.829 --> 00:18:05.230 I had all my senses going, and there was danger. 00:18:06.049 --> 00:18:09.109 You know, I knew the danger, yet I was, you know, 00:18:09.309 --> 00:18:11.789 I was not only willing to do it, I was drawn 00:18:11.789 --> 00:18:15.329 to do it. I wanted to save people, not in a spiritual 00:18:15.329 --> 00:18:19.470 sense, but in a whole life situation. I was... 00:18:19.099 --> 00:18:21.779 people who were being held hostage were liberated 00:18:21.779 --> 00:18:24.640 and freed and able to get, you know, the physical 00:18:24.640 --> 00:18:26.779 health and mental health they'd need because 00:18:26.779 --> 00:18:29.880 those things do scar people. But then I go into, 00:18:29.960 --> 00:18:31.640 you know, it was a lot of glory. I went on to 00:18:31.640 --> 00:18:35.160 do the next one. And when I was doing the ones 00:18:35.160 --> 00:18:38.339 for, you know, TV, as soon as it was resolved, 00:18:38.599 --> 00:18:45.170 I would go and edit the videotape. And as a professional 00:18:45.170 --> 00:18:48.670 journalist in early life, I used to do weekend 00:18:48.670 --> 00:18:51.569 camera work for Channel 10, Columbia, South Carolina. 00:18:51.930 --> 00:18:54.549 And they'd send me out with a camera and I'd 00:18:54.549 --> 00:18:56.990 find something and shoot it and then rush back 00:18:56.990 --> 00:19:01.369 to the studio, you know, have it developed while 00:19:01.369 --> 00:19:04.230 I wrote the script for it. And then the newscaster 00:19:04.230 --> 00:19:06.650 would read it on the six o 'clock news. It was 00:19:06.650 --> 00:19:09.569 that kind of reality. but larger than life. Tell 00:19:09.569 --> 00:19:12.490 me was there a time when this experience you 00:19:12.490 --> 00:19:15.650 felt like it ended somehow? Like some people 00:19:15.650 --> 00:19:18.309 feel in their NDE like they're out of their body 00:19:18.309 --> 00:19:20.589 and all of a sudden they're put back in their 00:19:20.589 --> 00:19:24.630 body. How did yours end? That's a great question. 00:19:24.809 --> 00:19:27.029 You know in our exchange earlier I forgot to 00:19:27.029 --> 00:19:29.829 mention this. There was a time before the first 00:19:29.829 --> 00:19:34.539 one started where I was in a room but I was trying 00:19:34.539 --> 00:19:37.259 to help people being stymied by it. But what 00:19:37.259 --> 00:19:42.220 I remember was there was this really unusual 00:19:42.220 --> 00:19:46.519 pattern in the ceiling in this room of big rectangular 00:19:46.519 --> 00:19:51.019 white spaces and really vivid black spaces. And 00:19:51.019 --> 00:19:54.299 it was haunting me. It was, it was, I couldn't 00:19:54.299 --> 00:19:56.359 understand what it was, but it was haunting me. 00:19:56.440 --> 00:19:58.480 People were chasing me. I was trying to hide 00:19:58.480 --> 00:20:00.880 from them and I needed to get back to my wife. 00:20:01.019 --> 00:20:03.660 Those were the things I remembered in this time 00:20:03.660 --> 00:20:05.660 frame. I was driven to try to get a hold of my 00:20:05.660 --> 00:20:08.480 wife, tell her I was okay. And I was also hiding 00:20:08.480 --> 00:20:10.759 from people who I did not want to have to deal 00:20:10.759 --> 00:20:13.380 with. They were a threat and I didn't want to 00:20:13.380 --> 00:20:17.559 go there. That led me into this empty space. 00:20:17.700 --> 00:20:20.039 It was a transition. That was where I went from 00:20:20.039 --> 00:20:24.160 the world into this place. And I had the idea 00:20:24.160 --> 00:20:27.910 that I was in a hotel. that had convention hotel. 00:20:28.390 --> 00:20:30.109 I don't know why I thought that, but that was 00:20:30.109 --> 00:20:32.650 it. There were people at the convention that 00:20:32.650 --> 00:20:35.589 were there to do me harm. So I wanted to stay 00:20:35.589 --> 00:20:38.289 away from them. But I really needed to get a 00:20:38.289 --> 00:20:40.609 hold of my wife. And then when I came out of 00:20:40.609 --> 00:20:43.710 the third one, I was back into that kind of a 00:20:43.710 --> 00:20:47.269 space. And I was still trying to get a hold of 00:20:47.269 --> 00:20:51.670 my wife. And I realized that I was like 41 miles 00:20:51.670 --> 00:20:55.559 away from her. I was in a specific part of the 00:20:55.559 --> 00:20:59.039 Las Vegas Valley, and to get from there to where 00:20:59.039 --> 00:21:01.980 she was, 41 miles away, and I had to get out 00:21:01.980 --> 00:21:05.480 of this hotel, and if I couldn't find a car, 00:21:05.660 --> 00:21:08.480 I'd walk. I had to do whatever I could to get 00:21:08.480 --> 00:21:11.259 a hold of her. When I finally came out of all 00:21:11.259 --> 00:21:18.339 of this, I realized it was not a hotel. It was 00:21:18.339 --> 00:21:23.470 the ICU of the hospital I was in. I didn't know 00:21:23.470 --> 00:21:27.190 this at all at first. As it was ending at the 00:21:27.190 --> 00:21:30.970 other end, as I started coming out of it, I realized 00:21:30.970 --> 00:21:33.930 that I was in a hospital. It finally dawned on 00:21:33.930 --> 00:21:35.769 me that I was not in a hotel. I was in a hospital. 00:21:36.309 --> 00:21:40.670 But I still had this overwhelming need to go 00:21:40.670 --> 00:21:46.150 and contact my wife. And I asked the nurses, 00:21:46.789 --> 00:21:49.470 give me a phone. I got to call my wife. And they 00:21:49.470 --> 00:21:51.630 said, no, no, we're not gonna do that. We don't 00:21:51.630 --> 00:21:53.170 have phones in this room and we're not gonna 00:21:53.170 --> 00:21:57.730 do that. And I thought and struggled to get out 00:21:57.730 --> 00:22:00.710 of there. So I could find a phone somewhere in 00:22:00.710 --> 00:22:02.670 the building and call her just to tell her I 00:22:02.670 --> 00:22:05.769 was okay. I didn't learn it from the nurses. 00:22:05.829 --> 00:22:09.170 They were both from the Philippines or Cambodia, 00:22:09.289 --> 00:22:12.910 something like that. They had a very poor relationship 00:22:12.910 --> 00:22:15.349 with the English language. Also, they were not 00:22:15.349 --> 00:22:18.910 really interested in helping me. I didn't realize 00:22:18.910 --> 00:22:21.490 I was in an ICU. I just knew I was in a hospital. 00:22:22.150 --> 00:22:24.910 I struggled to get up and get out of there. And 00:22:24.910 --> 00:22:27.069 they were really harsh on it. And then later 00:22:27.069 --> 00:22:30.369 when I became aware and talked to my doctor who 00:22:30.369 --> 00:22:33.230 was there, he said, well, if you'd succeeded 00:22:33.230 --> 00:22:35.329 in that, you would have ripped out the tubes 00:22:35.329 --> 00:22:36.890 and you would have died before anybody could 00:22:36.890 --> 00:22:40.250 save you. That's how it kind of petered out. 00:22:40.349 --> 00:22:43.009 And then the next day I was able to call my wife. 00:22:43.309 --> 00:22:44.930 I didn't know that they'd been able to get a 00:22:44.930 --> 00:22:48.519 hold of her, you know, from when I went. to the 00:22:48.519 --> 00:22:50.400 ER, but she knew what hospital was at and she 00:22:50.400 --> 00:22:52.759 talked to nurses. But I didn't know that and 00:22:52.759 --> 00:22:54.779 I was just desperate to get a hold of her, to 00:22:54.779 --> 00:22:57.160 tell her that I was okay and that when this is 00:22:57.160 --> 00:23:00.160 all done, I'd come back. Okay, now is the hard 00:23:00.160 --> 00:23:02.779 part of my job. I have to play devil's advocate 00:23:02.779 --> 00:23:05.619 for just a second because there are always some 00:23:05.619 --> 00:23:08.240 people that are skeptical. Some of them might 00:23:08.240 --> 00:23:12.220 say, sounds like a dream. Ned, you were asleep, 00:23:12.339 --> 00:23:15.609 you had a dream. I have dreams like that. Tell 00:23:15.609 --> 00:23:18.250 me how you know this was different than that. 00:23:18.730 --> 00:23:22.210 Well, for one thing, it couldn't have continued 00:23:22.210 --> 00:23:25.670 more than three or four minutes in the real world 00:23:25.670 --> 00:23:28.730 because otherwise I would have been brain dead 00:23:28.730 --> 00:23:32.849 from lack of oxygen. And as I said, the two doctors 00:23:32.849 --> 00:23:37.190 tried desperately to help me. One of the things 00:23:37.190 --> 00:23:39.849 they did was they put me on dialysis, but dialysis 00:23:39.849 --> 00:23:42.630 is a four or five hour treatment. And one of 00:23:42.630 --> 00:23:45.529 them doesn't just solve everything. And this 00:23:45.529 --> 00:23:49.329 had to turn around in a very short period of 00:23:49.329 --> 00:23:52.150 time or they would have had to pronounce me dead. 00:23:52.589 --> 00:23:54.710 Because if you go four or five minutes without 00:23:54.710 --> 00:23:58.569 oxygen, there's really not much left there. So 00:23:58.569 --> 00:24:03.690 I knew it had to be unworldly experience because 00:24:03.690 --> 00:24:08.170 I couldn't have just even done these things if 00:24:08.170 --> 00:24:10.990 I had to play out over the time period. Each 00:24:10.990 --> 00:24:13.769 one of them seemed like it was a big chunk of 00:24:13.769 --> 00:24:17.150 my life. weeks or months, maybe more. I mean, 00:24:17.150 --> 00:24:20.089 it wasn't just one moment's experience. Each 00:24:20.089 --> 00:24:23.170 one of them in their own way continued over a 00:24:23.170 --> 00:24:26.670 period of time. So when I came out of it, I couldn't 00:24:26.670 --> 00:24:30.029 have done that in a dream because, you know, 00:24:30.029 --> 00:24:33.329 there wasn't enough time. That makes sense. And 00:24:33.329 --> 00:24:35.730 you know from your doctors you were clinically 00:24:35.730 --> 00:24:40.549 dead. Yes. Yeah, twice. How does an experience 00:24:40.549 --> 00:24:44.210 like this change you? Most people are not the 00:24:44.210 --> 00:24:47.109 same after it. Do you feel like there's a sort 00:24:47.109 --> 00:24:50.130 of a NED 2 .0 going on now? How are you different? 00:24:51.289 --> 00:24:55.049 Well, in a number of ways. First of all, right 00:24:55.049 --> 00:24:58.450 after this I was inspired to stop working for 00:24:58.450 --> 00:25:00.150 corporations. Not that there's anything wrong 00:25:00.150 --> 00:25:02.990 with that and I was good at it and it was fulfilling, 00:25:03.509 --> 00:25:05.349 but I wanted something that would nurture my 00:25:05.349 --> 00:25:09.009 soul and not just my wallet or my ego. And after 00:25:09.009 --> 00:25:11.839 that first experience, the first one, of creating 00:25:11.839 --> 00:25:15.480 things in my mind and then giving them to others. 00:25:16.759 --> 00:25:19.039 I can't think of a better way of describing writing 00:25:19.039 --> 00:25:21.579 a book, whether it's fiction or non -fiction. 00:25:21.660 --> 00:25:25.819 And I write both. And I started working on projects 00:25:25.819 --> 00:25:28.700 I'd let go years before, bringing them back into 00:25:28.700 --> 00:25:32.480 life. And some of them have been published. But 00:25:32.480 --> 00:25:35.279 that was one thing. And I was helping people. 00:25:35.900 --> 00:25:38.099 With my creativity is helping people. And that 00:25:38.099 --> 00:25:41.720 meant something. Then the second one. I was living 00:25:41.720 --> 00:25:45.259 my life from a more positive perspective. There 00:25:45.259 --> 00:25:48.680 was nothing specifically memorable, but things 00:25:48.680 --> 00:25:50.839 were going my way because I was trying to help 00:25:50.839 --> 00:25:55.099 others instead of just helping myself. And then 00:25:55.099 --> 00:25:59.019 the third one, rescuing people, hostages, saving 00:25:59.019 --> 00:26:02.099 their lives, and then also being able to put 00:26:02.099 --> 00:26:06.079 it in, you know, on a TV show, which is, you 00:26:06.079 --> 00:26:09.539 know, a book in another format. So I was saying, 00:26:09.720 --> 00:26:12.220 okay, I'm gonna help people, I'm gonna save people, 00:26:12.539 --> 00:26:15.099 not in a spiritual sense, but in a physical sense. 00:26:15.599 --> 00:26:18.339 And then, you know, I'll tell the world so other 00:26:18.339 --> 00:26:21.660 people can maybe be helped the same way. So yeah, 00:26:21.660 --> 00:26:25.039 it changed my whole life. And now I work with 00:26:25.039 --> 00:26:29.539 people who are, you know, have a great idea, 00:26:30.119 --> 00:26:32.460 but they're financially strapped. And where for 00:26:32.460 --> 00:26:36.349 one client, it might be $3 ,500 a month. I might 00:26:36.349 --> 00:26:38.430 do it for somebody else for $1 ,500 a month because 00:26:38.430 --> 00:26:41.130 that's all they can afford. And I wanted to help 00:26:41.130 --> 00:26:44.730 them to bring their dreams to reality. For my 00:26:44.730 --> 00:26:48.849 time as PR and marketing and advertising, what 00:26:48.849 --> 00:26:51.750 I was trying to do was helping other people make 00:26:51.750 --> 00:26:55.009 their dreams come to life. I was promoting them, 00:26:55.009 --> 00:26:59.529 not me. And so then they were able to improve 00:26:59.529 --> 00:27:01.190 what they were doing and improve themselves. 00:27:01.529 --> 00:27:05.069 And that was rewarding to me emotionally. Bringing 00:27:05.069 --> 00:27:07.390 ideas into the world that hadn't been there and 00:27:07.390 --> 00:27:09.309 get helping other people to open their eyes and 00:27:09.309 --> 00:27:12.150 see how they can help themselves That's another 00:27:12.150 --> 00:27:14.369 time that I thought was you know, another way 00:27:14.369 --> 00:27:16.410 I was really doing it. So yes, my whole life 00:27:16.410 --> 00:27:18.950 changed It wasn't just dramatic on day one. I 00:27:18.950 --> 00:27:24.710 did this but after this my wife Fell and broke 00:27:24.710 --> 00:27:27.089 her back was in the hospital for six weeks and 00:27:27.089 --> 00:27:29.750 then another four weeks shortly thereafter I 00:27:29.750 --> 00:27:32.990 decided I'd get back into writing books because 00:27:33.180 --> 00:27:35.559 It's tough when you're married and suddenly you're 00:27:35.559 --> 00:27:38.119 alone in the house, even though you know she's 00:27:38.119 --> 00:27:40.200 going to be coming back and all that. It's just 00:27:40.200 --> 00:27:43.279 tough. And it was something I could do with my 00:27:43.279 --> 00:27:45.420 time, and I did, and that's when I really got 00:27:45.420 --> 00:27:49.200 involved in active and aggressive writing, both 00:27:49.200 --> 00:27:52.240 for clients and for myself. A few minutes ago, 00:27:52.259 --> 00:27:54.920 you referred to yourself as a believer. Do you 00:27:54.920 --> 00:27:58.220 mind telling me what that means? I'm a believing 00:27:58.220 --> 00:28:02.099 Christian. I try to live my life with Christian 00:28:02.099 --> 00:28:07.420 tenets. And when I find myself backsliding, and 00:28:07.420 --> 00:28:09.640 I find this usually with things like, you know, 00:28:09.720 --> 00:28:11.839 suddenly the clients dry up and I'm wondering 00:28:11.839 --> 00:28:14.200 how I'm going to pay the rent, praying to God 00:28:14.200 --> 00:28:16.599 that I was trying to do it all on my own and 00:28:16.599 --> 00:28:19.519 that's not going to work. I need your help. And 00:28:19.519 --> 00:28:21.819 I've always, you know, managed to have something 00:28:21.819 --> 00:28:25.119 come through that would help me achieve my goals. 00:28:26.400 --> 00:28:29.420 A number of the books I've ghostwritten for people 00:28:29.420 --> 00:28:32.420 were Christians who had specific beliefs that 00:28:32.420 --> 00:28:34.779 they wanted to share with the world one of them 00:28:34.779 --> 00:28:38.680 was on small talk Which said you don't want to 00:28:38.680 --> 00:28:40.180 waste your time with small talk. There's nothing 00:28:40.180 --> 00:28:42.859 really there. It's a trap It'll suck you away 00:28:42.859 --> 00:28:45.079 from leaving the light leading a life. You're 00:28:45.079 --> 00:28:47.559 supposed to lead I Don't know that I agree with 00:28:47.559 --> 00:28:50.700 that, but I I didn't disagree with it I was helper 00:28:50.700 --> 00:28:53.980 glad to help her achieve that all right two more 00:28:53.980 --> 00:28:58.240 quick things before I let you go one is How much 00:28:58.240 --> 00:29:01.279 fear of death did you have? prior to this experience? 00:29:02.660 --> 00:29:06.059 That is a wonderful, thank you, it's a wonderful 00:29:06.059 --> 00:29:10.900 question. I was afraid of death. I had not experienced 00:29:10.900 --> 00:29:14.799 it in my life. No, it had, I'd lost a son, so 00:29:14.799 --> 00:29:17.680 I had experienced that and it was traumatic and 00:29:17.680 --> 00:29:20.799 I wondered where he was and all this. I didn't 00:29:20.799 --> 00:29:23.599 know what was going on. My wife had gone through 00:29:23.599 --> 00:29:27.240 a near -death experience and I was there and 00:29:27.240 --> 00:29:29.789 helped pull her back. So quite a bit of fear. 00:29:30.190 --> 00:29:33.990 How about after this experience? I had no fear 00:29:33.990 --> 00:29:37.750 because I realized that my life, the energy that 00:29:37.750 --> 00:29:40.029 was me, not the body, but the energy that was 00:29:40.029 --> 00:29:44.190 me, was going to go on. It was going to transition. 00:29:44.549 --> 00:29:47.490 It was going to go on. After death, I live a 00:29:47.490 --> 00:29:49.509 new kind of life. It was kind of like the first 00:29:49.509 --> 00:29:52.089 experience. After the death of the world that 00:29:52.089 --> 00:29:54.210 I had known and I was in this great place that 00:29:54.210 --> 00:29:57.460 was floating around, I continued on. I was there 00:29:57.460 --> 00:29:59.859 and I was able to do things that I wanted to 00:29:59.859 --> 00:30:02.779 do. It wasn't like I lost all my opportunities. 00:30:03.319 --> 00:30:05.660 I talked with other people who were people of 00:30:05.660 --> 00:30:08.259 faith, and some of them sought that way. A lot 00:30:08.259 --> 00:30:12.539 of them didn't. They feared death because they 00:30:12.539 --> 00:30:15.740 didn't know where it was going. That exit situation 00:30:15.740 --> 00:30:17.279 where I needed to reach my wife and tell her 00:30:17.279 --> 00:30:21.240 I was okay, that was, you know, that was really 00:30:21.240 --> 00:30:24.660 trying, you know, that's spiritual. I may die 00:30:24.660 --> 00:30:27.759 someday. But I'll still be there. You don't have 00:30:27.759 --> 00:30:30.539 to worry about that. I'll be there. And then 00:30:30.539 --> 00:30:32.299 you'll die and you'll still be there and we'll 00:30:32.299 --> 00:30:35.160 be together. So yeah, it took away all that. 00:30:35.259 --> 00:30:38.299 I don't I'm not afraid of it anymore. I'm not 00:30:38.299 --> 00:30:40.779 seeking it out. I'm not eager for it. But it 00:30:40.779 --> 00:30:43.460 doesn't it's like it's just going to be I walk 00:30:43.460 --> 00:30:46.539 through a door to another room. Yeah, I love 00:30:46.539 --> 00:30:49.559 that analogy. Last thing, if there's somebody 00:30:49.559 --> 00:30:52.940 out there struggling today with just not having 00:30:52.940 --> 00:30:55.799 hope. in the future, or maybe they've lost a 00:30:55.799 --> 00:30:58.839 loved one, or maybe they've been given some real 00:30:58.839 --> 00:31:01.240 bad news today. What message of hope do you have 00:31:01.240 --> 00:31:05.660 for them? Without being evangelical, I'd say 00:31:05.660 --> 00:31:10.259 if you will go and read the book of Psalms and 00:31:10.259 --> 00:31:13.039 pray over each one, because some of them are 00:31:13.039 --> 00:31:16.519 going to be directly related to what you were 00:31:16.519 --> 00:31:19.720 trying to do. When my wife took her own life, 00:31:20.200 --> 00:31:23.119 I knew that she was in trouble for several weeks, 00:31:23.180 --> 00:31:24.779 but I didn't know it was going to be that far. 00:31:25.460 --> 00:31:29.420 But every night I would sit down and read the 00:31:29.420 --> 00:31:31.980 book of Psalms, and I would read them as if they 00:31:31.980 --> 00:31:33.900 were prayers, and I was changing them as I was 00:31:33.900 --> 00:31:36.599 reading them to reflect her particularly, to 00:31:36.599 --> 00:31:39.480 help her, to spare her. The answer to the prayers 00:31:39.480 --> 00:31:44.279 was no. It's not right. When she died, I was 00:31:44.279 --> 00:31:48.000 attending Episcopal Church in St. George, she 00:31:48.000 --> 00:31:51.980 came out to do last rites for Carol. after she 00:31:51.980 --> 00:31:54.720 died, and she said, I want to just tell you this, 00:31:55.039 --> 00:31:58.519 I felt no evil there. She was in desperate need 00:31:58.519 --> 00:32:02.319 and now she's in a better place. So don't worry 00:32:02.319 --> 00:32:05.819 about that. Yes, suicide is not the best way 00:32:05.819 --> 00:32:09.700 of handling things, but we're looking at it selfishly. 00:32:09.960 --> 00:32:13.680 We lost somebody in a shot, but God's had a better 00:32:13.680 --> 00:32:15.960 plan. So don't worry about it. If I was talking 00:32:15.960 --> 00:32:18.319 to somebody, I'd say, do that, read the Psalms, 00:32:18.359 --> 00:32:20.200 or if there's another book of the Bible you like, 00:32:20.440 --> 00:32:24.319 Read it and try to understand it and pray on 00:32:24.319 --> 00:32:28.140 it and you'll get help. If you ask for help from 00:32:28.140 --> 00:32:31.599 God, He'll give it to you. He's waiting. Again, 00:32:31.599 --> 00:32:33.740 I don't want to be evangelical. I'm not saying 00:32:33.740 --> 00:32:37.279 be an Episcopalian or a Mormon or what have you, 00:32:37.920 --> 00:32:40.740 but God's there for you if you're willing to 00:32:40.740 --> 00:32:43.619 open yourself up to it. And if you're really 00:32:43.619 --> 00:32:46.859 hurting, first of all, I'll pray for them, but 00:32:46.859 --> 00:32:48.779 I'll also encourage them to pray for themselves. 00:32:48.990 --> 00:32:52.349 because if they embrace that, that's a direct 00:32:52.349 --> 00:32:55.950 pipeline. If I pray for them, it's an indirect 00:32:55.950 --> 00:32:58.630 pipeline, and they're not actively involved in 00:32:58.630 --> 00:33:01.069 it, so it may be harder for that to help them. 00:33:01.470 --> 00:33:04.549 Ned, I really appreciate your time today. When 00:33:04.549 --> 00:33:07.269 you go from a whole bunch of fear of death to 00:33:07.269 --> 00:33:10.829 zero fear of death after an experience, to me 00:33:10.829 --> 00:33:13.509 that says everything. That says to people who 00:33:13.509 --> 00:33:16.170 haven't been through it, hey, get rid of some 00:33:16.170 --> 00:33:18.920 of that fear. Okay, you don't need it. You don't 00:33:18.920 --> 00:33:22.700 need to carry that with you. We can believe in 00:33:22.700 --> 00:33:27.119 what's coming next and that's okay. So anyway, 00:33:27.380 --> 00:33:30.579 Ned Barnett, appreciate it. Thank you. Eric, 00:33:30.579 --> 00:33:34.299 I appreciate the opportunity. Thank you. Thanks 00:33:34.299 --> 00:33:36.660 again for listening and sharing this podcast. 00:33:36.940 --> 00:33:39.359 Don't forget to hit the follow or subscribe button 00:33:39.359 --> 00:33:41.799 and sign up for our newsletter at roundtripdeath 00:33:41.799 --> 00:33:45.309 .com. If you want to share your near -death experience, 00:33:45.809 --> 00:33:47.609 or if you have questions or comments about the 00:33:47.609 --> 00:33:50.470 show, send an email to eric at roundtripdeath 00:33:50.470 --> 00:33:53.650 .com. 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