From the time that they pronounced me dead was
a good 45 minutes. They cut my clothes and then
they paddled. My heart, my heart had stopped
and I could see people screaming and crying but
I didn't realize that was actually my physical
body because I was somewhere else. The only thing
that I could feel if you could imagine absolute
love and peace, there wasn't anything else to
be felt. I was greeted by people I had known
in the past. I'm back home again. Incredibly
safe and felt at home. Hey, welcome back to Round
Trip Death, everybody, and our interview that
we were having with Greg H. Mann. And for those
that didn't hear the first part, I recommend
go listen to that first. It's in depth. There's
a lot to it. But just to give a quick summary
on where we were, Greg, please feel free to chime
in and clarify anything if I'm off a little bit.
But quite a few years ago, you had an experience
where, well, it was an overdose. It was a suicide
attempt. We'll just say what it was. And you
took hundreds of pills. It's amazing that you
were able to come back from it, that you were.
Saved shall we say by the medical staff and by
other miracles that happened, but it left some
effects, right? I mean you you had heart problems
after that and I'm just jumping ahead to a while
later you are with your brother and a friend
on the river you are off alone on a great big
rock and Your heart stops And you have this amazing
experience with a guide and with God. And I just
want to jump in and ask you some questions about
it so we can learn even more. I know I skipped
a lot, but are we OK to that point? Yeah, yeah,
for the most part. I mean, just to correct a
few things, when you said the medical staff kind
of saved me in the hospital, they didn't. They
just said it was a miracle that I survived. There's
almost nothing that they did. I mean, they gave
me some activated charcoal. monitor a few things,
but everything else was very accurate. Just for
the sake of accuracy, I always try to be as accurate
as possible with everything that I'm saying in
regards to this stuff. And you're absolutely
right. And you had said that previously, but
the fact is you were in the hospital. Okay. Yeah.
Fast forward. Let's talk about some of the things
that you experienced when you were on the rock
on the river. And one of the things that you
started with was talking about this being this
personage. guide if you will and you felt like
this was a female being what else can you tell
me about her and i'm going to use her because
you thought sort of female yeah you know people
always question that a lot actually when they're
like why do you say he why do you say she you
know and and the simple answer is it just the
the energy and the vibe was just extremely female
it reminds me a lot of like Mother nature or
mother earth we don't call her father earth or
father nature And there's just a female aspect
to it and then God on the other hand again No
sex neither one of them really technically had
a sex God or the father or whatever you'd want
to really call them Very male very very strong
presence and of a male type of energy Very much
like the law is the law there felt a lot like
that. So from this first being Did you feel like
there was some sort of connection? Some people
feel like a guardian angel type of connection
or some kind of a guide or someone that you had
known and loved in the past. Did you feel any
of that? You know, I didn't feel any of that
at all. I think for me, one of the really big
parts about my journey, which obviously literally
started when I was a child. So that's why it's
been such a strange long journey. Ever since
it started. And the main culminating point was
the pain the suffering that I was feeling originally
not a physical suffering either it was just like
I'm not even just you could call it emotional
but it was almost like a spiritual suffering
in fact one of the examples I didn't I didn't
even give this example when I was in my youth
and this was all happening. The world to me I
don't know if you can imagine this or remember
this but if you've ever had a nightmare. Where
you're in this nightmare and you know whether
you're trying to run and you can't or whatever
it is it's happening to feel so terrible. Don't
know if you've ever awoken from a nightmare and
you're clearly awake But you kind of still feel
that energy of the nightmare you still kind of
feel afraid somehow and you know, you're looking
around and My life felt like that all the time.
So from the moment I was little so I remember
um, I made words for all these things I call
it the peel peel world and the reason I called
it peel peel world was because You know in beautiful
mornings you hear like little birds going pew
pew, you know, like beautiful sounds that they're
making When I was in the place that I was in
as a child, it sounded like the birds were yelling.
They're like, yeah, yeah, you know, just it felt
like everything was like a nightmare. And I was
living with that, which is part of the reason
I think it was driving me insane. Obviously led
to me, you know, being very sad, unhappy, having
a lot of pain and suffering and then obviously
wanting to, you know, in my life. So my big goal,
and this is to answer your question, was I was
always looking for happiness. but not the way
that everybody looks for happiness. I wasn't
looking for a new toy or new clothes or you know
something to fill that void. I wanted to find
the thing that would fill quote -unquote my soul
or my heart or something that I couldn't quite
put my finger on and I tried religion obviously
and you know I grew up Catholic and I tried different
Christian denominational churches. I tried Buddhism.
I read you know spiritual books. I was trying
to find something and that led to a lot of frustration
because nothing was working. and I would pray
and I would be very sincere in my prayers and
I would get baptized and I would do all these
things but the emptiness just didn't go away.
And so looking for happiness all this time, when
I encountered this being of light, you might
call her an angel, you can call her any name
you want really, she was just absolute light.
I didn't necessarily act like I recognized her
or that she felt like she was a family member
or ancestor or someone I knew. The very first
thing that came straight out of my heart was
I wanna be like you. It was everything, Eric,
that I'd be looking for virtually my entire life.
She had the presence, the aura, the joy, the
calmness, the peace, the love, the depth of her
love, the depth of her compassion. It was unlike
any human I've ever met. There's no human at
this point after encountering this being. I can
admire humans for certain things, but there's
not really anybody that I could really say, wow,
I wanna be like them. There's nobody at this
point because she was such a high standard. And
like I said, I just wanted to be like her. I
knew at that moment without even thinking about
it that that was everything I was looking for.
I was literally just happy with that. Having
that encounter in that moment was so big, so
pivotal. Obviously, it shocked me a lot when
she responded when I said, I want to be like
you. And she said, you are me and I am you. And
I was just like. that's not true. Look at me,
you know, and you could see all my flaws and
you know, it's funny now that I think about it.
Her light was a lot like similar to the light
of God because God's light is like very interesting.
His light shines right through you right onto
your soul. It exposes everything and hers was
kind of similar in the sense that I could see
all my flaws very clearly. I mean, it penetrated
right through me, which has made it very easy
for me to call her out on it and say, Look, look
at me. I'm not like you. Look at you. You are.
You are so glorious. You are so beautiful. And
I just wanted that so badly, because I didn't
have it all my life. And it was absolutely beautiful.
You know, I'm envious. And I hope that for humanity
someday, because I know that someday it will
happen. And we are so flawed, but The beauty
that we can be, the potential is, is unimaginable.
It's amazing that you got so much from her in
such a short amount of time. In other words,
my understanding, my feeling from what happened
is, you two didn't sit and have this big, long,
long, long conversation, and that's how that
you knew that she was full of love. Tell me,
was she just radiating this? Did you just felt
this from her? Is that how it worked? You know
Eric, this is a really that's a very good question
because I finally figured out kind of how to
word it because I thought it too I thought I
how could I feel the patience? How could I feel
the compassion? How could I feel the love? I
didn't understand and what I realized in time
Her light that that was her clothing by the way
So it's not that she have clothes on her light
was her clothes The only thing that you could
see was kind of her face a little bit, but not
much Was the aura it was that the but her clothing
Dictated what she was and to give you an example
It's like if you go to a hospital and there's
a guy with wearing a white coat You're like,
oh he must be a doctor or you see a woman with
a white coat She must be a doctor if you go to
You know mechanic shop and this guy's wearing
the mechanic outfit and he's got all the grease
like whatever if you're a policeman and you wear
the police outfit Whatever you're wearing dictates
kind of who you are Right you're a judge you
wear the black robe whatever i could go on and
on. And in this particular place when you're
on the other side. It's interesting because i
would even ask you cuz i saw a lot of this there
do you think there's a hierarchy in heaven. Yes
i knew it absolutely be correct because a lot
of people would say well probably not everybody's
equal that's not what i was shown. I was shown,
and the reason we know there's a hierarchy is
just think about what the scripture says when
it talks about Lucifer. He was the highest of
the angels, right? That right there lets you
know there is a hierarchy. But the hierarchy
in heaven is very different than the one on earth.
And over there, what rises you up in the hierarchy
is your love. How much love do you have in your
heart? And it's all exposed. There is no lying.
There is no hiding. There's no speaking with
a silver. tongue or whatever they call it, it's
very clear who rises up. And you only rise up
for all the right reasons. And so her clothing
was her patience, was her compassion, was the
depth of her love. And because it was her clothing,
I was just knew it somehow, but I didn't think
about it. It was all very instinctual. I could
just feel it off of her. And that's just how
I knew, you know, we wear our clothing, that
it comes from our heart, basically on the other
side. Beautiful. After that, you talked about
traveling at a really high, high, high rate of
speed, which I'm sure you couldn't even put into
numbers or anything. It sounded like through
the galaxy and you talked about stars being doorways.
Could you expound on that a little bit more?
So basically, I realized through direct experience
that stars are portals or doors. I had, this
is a little, I don't know how much detail I should
go into this, but from a child again, I actually,
I've opened some portals. So there's different
types of portals, and one of them is stars. The
human body can actually be a portal, by the way,
or quote unquote a doorway, and so can water.
So ultimately in this particular case, from what
I could see, the stars are doors. Some people
call them gates, like star gates. and their doors
to navigate the stars. So you literally are jumping
to stars at a very, very fast speed. I never,
I never understood this whole star constellation
thing like, oh, there's the Big Dipper and there's
Orion's belt. I was never into it. I never understood
it. And so I just, I kind of always looked up
there and thought that doesn't look like a dipper
to me. I, you know, and then somebody would draw
it for you and I'm like, who comes up with this
stuff? Like I, I just didn't understand. But
seeing how we are to navigate the heavens and
that the stars have a huge part of it. It kind
of helps me understand why we create star constellations
and how to navigate the heavens because if I
would have not had that being a light, it's impossible.
You cannot navigate the stars. Try to go to downtown
L .A. or try to drive anywhere without your GPS
or a map and any signs that even point you in
the right direction. And this is a billion times,
maybe probably more into the trillions of times
more difficult. It is so vast and the speeds
are so high and it just would have been impossible.
And I knew that when I was traveling with her,
I'm just like, I let go. I'm like, you take me
wherever you're taking me and I'm with you. But
I knew very clearly that I would be absolutely
lost. And I knew that I actually thought I'd
never come back. I thought that was pretty much
it. And she knew where she was going. And you
ended up at this place where you described a
council. Tell me more about the council. Did
they look like people or angels? How many were
there? Give me an idea of what that was like.
All right. So remember, before I say this, I'm
just going to give an honest testimonial because
I don't have a religion or a belief system. But
when I arrived, they were like monks. So the
first being seen more like an angel which almost
seems more biblical in nature, right? Now it's
like monks and which is more quote -unquote from
Asia or maybe Buddhism or whatnot they were their
robes that they were wearing were kind of like
orange in color and Like I said, they were in
a circle now, you know, it's really crazy Eric.
This is so funny Because I was in Japan recently.
I've been doing a lot of research in Japan and
I was grocery shopping was buying some organic
produce and I look over and I see this giant
like mural or painting or whatever it is and
when I look at it Eric it was exactly what I
saw when I was on the other side and I couldn't
believe that I just saw it and when I saw that
I immediately tried to find the Japanese person
and said do you know who drew this because there
is no way it's absolutely in my opinion impossible
that you would draw this if you've never been
there. You've had to have been where I've been.
It's just not possible And so I asked them who
drew that or where that came from and then they
kind of laughed a little bit and Japanese person
told me well, that's that's Kukai. I'm like Kukai.
Who's Kukai? I've never even heard the name Kukai
and he's like, you don't know Kukai and basically
Kukai is like the Japanese Jesus basically and
I thought it was so strange so I started reading
about him and oh my goodness Kukai's story is
unbelievable and beautiful He's obviously dead,
but what he did was something so unprecedented,
he self mummified himself. So he changed his
diet to clear out all these bacteria and parasites
out of his body so that he could go into deep
meditation and his body wouldn't decompose. If
you can believe that. The body is still in Japan.
It still exists to this day. The monks still
bring them food, by the way. It's such an interesting,
interesting story and so smart. And it's one
of the reasons that Japan is the way they are
today. It's because of Kukai as far as how peaceful
they are and how clean they are. They live so
long because they practice certain practices
that have wisdom in them for health. All these
different things that the Japanese do, they really
are pretty amazing people. Nobody's perfect,
but my goodness, they're pretty remarkable people.
And I found a lot and learned a lot from them.
That's amazing. So I looked up this Kukai thing
because they have the monks in a circle. Same
way, but at the center. And this is where I think
symbolism needs to be understood in order to
understand what the image means. They have a
really big head that looks like the Buddha. Now,
the word Buddha really is kind of the same word
as the word Christ, you know, when you reach
the awakening and the enlightenment. So it's
funny that they put Buddha's head because it
symbolizes God, right? The Christ, the God. And
what's interesting about that is all those monks
in a circle Opened the portal that I went through
where I met God So it was so odd this finding
that there's things that I've been finding throughout
the years to kind of make sense of this And so
I don't know if that really answers your question
But when I arrived to the council, you know,
as I said before they said we've been waiting
for you They spoke with one voice. They gave
me a ton of images A lot of information came
in a very very short period of time and it was
pretty wild Did you feel like you were being
judged in any way by them? No, not at all. In
fact with them what I felt was God has a plan
and There's a certain will you know when they
say we want to do God's will he has a plan and
when I got there When they say we've been waiting
for you It had to do with a greater and grander
plan that God has that has been going on by the
way for thousands of years This is not a short
plan. This is a very long one when they said
they've been waiting for me. It had to do with
Trying to finish or yeah, basically almost finished
this particular plan that he's had for so long
As a child, you know part of my pain as I explained
before Was that I just had such a I don't even
know how to explain it I know that a lot of people
say the same thing too that they just have this
love for god and I just had this strange Love
and almost connection. I mean, I remember when
I was a kid because I was going to catholic a
church in my obviously very very little I remember
asking a question and I asked this specifically
to my mother. I don't know why I'll always remember
this embedded in my brain I kept going to church
all the time my parents and I'm thinking when
do we finally meet God and I kept asking my mom
I'm like, when do we meet God like we come here
all the time? The preacher keeps talking or the
pastor whatever all this stuff happens and they
drink the cookie or I'm sorry They drink the
wine and eat the cookie or the bread or whatever
and all this is happening and every single time
It's the same thing. I started noticing that
it was a repetition all the time And of course,
I get bored. I'm a kid. I'm like, and when do
we meet this guy? Like, where is this God? I
asked her something about God, actually. I don't
remember the question, but I asked her something
about God or when we're going to meet him or
something. And my mother's response was just
something that she had memorized as a Catholic
also in her youth. And she just kind of regurgitated
something and it meant nothing to me. But it
was the first time that I felt like, because
I believed everything my parents said. My father
or my mother you tell they tell me anything and
I believe that that was the way that I was I
and I highly respect them But deep down inside
was the first time that I it's almost like I
heard a little voice So she said it that said
she doesn't know it was then that I realized
Nobody really knows you know these preachers
or pastors or people think that they understand
The depths or the true nature all these questions
that I had After that, I always felt like the
happiness and joy that I was seeking I just kind
of knew instinctively deep down in my heart that
it had everything to do with God and That nobody
was gonna be able to lead me there and I tried
that's why I went to many churches and tried
many different things And I was like the canary
in the coal mine. You couldn't fool me It was
either gonna work or it wasn't it was either
gonna be real or it wasn't you know I'm not into
being like being affected by psychosomatic things.
In fact, I And placebos those don't tend to really
work very well on me because I tend to just let
everything go and if the truth's gonna hit the
truth's gonna hit and So I really know if that
answers your question, but yeah, those monks
were not there to judge me They were actually
waiting for me as they said and they're waiting
for me to do something I do have a lot of ideas
of what that is But it's a yeah, but the simple
fact is that they were definitely not judging
me typically the real judgment You know for people
who who wonder this the real judgment ends up
actually coming from ourselves So the truth is
actually in us already. It's in us already and
so when god shines his light and you see the
great mirror that I call it the great mirror
because You you were able to peer into your own
soul again. I think the best example was you
can't really look at your own eyes Unless you
look in a mirror, but if you don't have a mirror
And so that's where your soul is very similar.
You can't seem to see it You need a mirror to
see it, and God is that ultimate mirror. And
once you see it, you know somehow deep down inside
the truth. Like when Scripture says, the truth
is what will set you free. You know the truth,
so when you've done something wrong, you just
know it. You just feel it. You just know. Nobody
needs to tell you. There's no need for people
judging each other. You know, that being the
light that I encountered, I mean, I pointed out
to her all my flaws. Not one judgment came off.
All right. This is probably my biggest discussion
point that I want to have here. You described
God as being heavy -handed, a male figure and
heavy -handed, which has negative connotations
with it. It sounds kind of like, like anger and
like it's my way or the highway kind of thing.
But we've also discussed love and the hierarchy
of heaven based on how much love one has. So
explain how those two things go together for
us. Yeah, and when I say heavy hand that I don't
mean like he's gonna hit you type of thing It's
just that he's so big, you know, and when I say
he's big it's kind of like the waves of an ocean
I mean, you could have a person walking in a
wave will just knock you down, you know And it's
not that it's trying to it's just it's the nature
and it seems from what I can see God has what
I call and I never understood it really before
and I'd read it in Scripture before heard it
and I understand it very well now because it
was revealed In the depths of my soul, which
is the law there is a law and there's God's law
and God's law It's the only way to be able to
quote unquote what we would call ascend or find
our way back to him Or find our way back to a
one might call the tree of life. But the law
is a law and there's an image I really hope this
guy hears and you probably won't but there's
a guy if you ever heard his name I think it's
Robert Edward Grant. Now if you've heard of this
guy a lot of things he's really right about.
And then he's missing a few important pieces,
which are important to finish the whole image.
It's like a few pieces to a puzzle. And basically,
the way that the real Tree of Life looks, I don't
know if you know what the Tree of Life truly
looks like. And they've tricked us with this.
The Tree of Life is a tree, depending on, you
know, certain images, but it's three things.
So it's a tree, and then what looks either like
a sword or a staff, and then two snakes going
around. You know the staff they tripped us in
some ways because that's the image they use for
hospitals. So if you ever noticed the staff the
serpent and at the top they have what looks also
like a disc or the sun. But the disc can also
represent a mirror remember i told you god is
like the great mirror but it's also a type of
light so kinda like the sun. And that represents
life in it represents more than like because
the serpents represent there's supposed to be
two. And they actually represent male and female.
They represent humans. The humans are the snakes.
And the staff, which can also be depicted as
a sword, is a sword of truth. And that's why
in scripture, when it talks about the return
of God or Jesus, it says that a sword will be
coming out of his mouth. And that's because the
truth will come out. That sword of truth is how
the snakes ascend. That's how they go upwards
and ascend once again and reach God again. who
is the tree of life. So the whole thing is an
image of life. And it's ironic that they put
it in front of a hospital because they're letting
you know subconsciously, we are in control of
your life. They want to be the tree of life.
They want to be the gods, but they're not. But
they want to be. You know, it's a weird cosmic
thing that's been going on for a very long time.
When I talk about quote unquote, the Almighty,
he's very big. but he can also be gentle i mean
i was laid inside of him the way that you would
lay in a river because that's the way he moves
and he's so big and and he looks like stars and
plasma and water and these colors and all these
different things but he didn't feel mean but
the greater your evil is like if you've done
a lot of terrible things in your life it's like
pulling on a rubber band even more more more
more more because when you let go of it's only
going to hit you that much harder So it's not
so much that he's punishing you or that he has
this heavy hand But it's more like the more you
do it's kind of like the karma thing, you know
The bigger it is or the more that you do of it
the harder it's gonna hit you later I don't know
if that's really under answering your question.
Yeah, what did his love feel like? You know,
it's so different. That's the weird part I would
have guessed that the being of light would have
been more like God, her level of compassion and
love. He was more like, geez, it's like an eternal
flow of, dare I say, just brilliant information.
Nothing but answers, nothing but light. It's
like a tree, like, you know, a tree, like especially
a giant sequoia tree. So it's so big. It's so
strong, so steady. But it's not necessarily like
a puppy rubbing up against you and so loving
in that way. It's just, it's so found, it's foundational.
But sometimes when he decides to move, it's very
interesting because he really is unpredictable
and like the wind. I think I shared with you
when I was with my brother and quote unquote,
I reached down and grab him, but it wasn't me.
He moved through me. Very spontaneously and very
fast. It was just like boom like didn't almost
have dare I say almost control But he gave me
control so I could have at any moment stopped
it But I was just allowing it and it's kind of
hard to describe because it's this endless flow
of like water Like a river, but then he can just
do something at any moment that he wants to and
you don't know what he's gonna do Completely
unpredictable. I think it almost reminds me of
a verse where Jesus says I don't think people
understand this one and this one actually just
a few days ago Came to me I had to sit down and
start writing and stop thinking because he wanted
me to just write and I was like, okay Here we
go. And the things he showed me was it was ironic
because it was about one of the verses in Scripture
again Which is odd because I'm not no offense
to anybody, but I'm not Christian I'm not even
religious. I don't have any denomination because
I don't want to close myself off. I feel like
God's too big for that I just don't want to do
that. I never want to close off to any set of
beliefs So I just try to be open but he tends
to bring me to the Bible a lot lately There's
a verse where Jesus spoke to Nicodemus. I don't
know if you remember the verse. It basically
said, you know, Jesus was telling Nicodemus,
you got to be born again. It's ironic because
what Nicodemus was asking technically, I mean,
he was saying, you know, I could even quote it.
He says, we know you are a man of God, for no
man could do such things if God were not with
him. He basically is kind of asking him, you
know, like, how do you do it? What's the way?
What's the answer? A little ironic, you know,
Jesus didn't say, well, You got to go give the
church 10 % make sure you go there every Sunday
and accept me as your Lord and Savior, you know
He didn't really say those things He said you
must be born again now. I don't honestly think
that a lot of people even understand what that
means I know that a lot of people think they
do but I don't think they do because Jesus goes
on to say it's not just about being born again
Jesus specifically starts going in because Nicodemus
doesn't understand and he starts saying things
like well You have to be born of water But then
you also have to be born of spirit. And then
Nicodemus is a little confused. Obviously at
one point he's like, I can't enter my mother's
womb, you know, this whole thing. And then he
starts talking about what is of the flesh is
flesh, which by the way has a lot to do with
water. But what is of the spirit is spirit. And
that's where the spirit is born from. The spirit
is born of God. You know, we are born of Him.
Obviously He's our Father in heaven. When you're
baptized in Him, as I would call it, I don't
think almost anybody's ever seen anything like
that. at least for a long time because when i
was with him i think that's exactly what happened
i literally went into him i was in him over there
but on earth he was in me so over there i'm in
him over here he's in me it's kind of odd right
and i think i told you felt like i had two brains
which is really weird i mean if you could even
imagine i've never had anything like that ever
so that was kind of confusing at some point too
and so When Jesus is describing to Nicodemus
about being born of the spirit. He said something
like it's like the wind he compares it to the
wind too He says you know not where it comes
from or where it goes So are those who are born
of the spirit what he's meaning by that because
I don't think people really understand what that
means But all I can say is that he's completely
unpredictable the wind sometimes goes here goes
there and you don't know what he's gonna do But
I know one things for sure He knows way more
than any human that's on the planet will ever
know He's so big, he's so massive, there's so
much beautiful wisdom that we can't even begin
to fathom, that if we just had one speck of it,
we would think it's the most amazing thing on
earth, and he's got tons of it, every nanosecond,
you can't imagine it. It's too much. I mean,
there's so much more that I could go into detail,
but I don't even know if that answers your question,
but that's the best way that I can describe it.
I appreciate you using the term wisdom. versus
he's really smart or something like that. Wisdom
is such a better term for that. I've got one
other question, but before I forget, if you'll
give me some contact info for you in case anybody
wants to reach out a website or whatever, we'll
stick that in the show notes for everybody. And
the last question that I'd like you to wrap up
with is, this happened quite a few years ago.
Greg, how has your life been different since
this happened? Wow it's been there's been a lot
of changes one of the biggest changes that started
the whole domino effect of what i've been doing
these days. Was when i was before him and then
when i kind of woke up a little bit and i came
back to earth. And i mentioned to you that my
brother had come over and then we both were before
him so we got to actually be before him together.
I'm trying to remember actually whether it was
before i remember whether it was before my brother
got there or after. I kind of think it was before
he got there. But the point is is that the first
thing that was so impactful was I felt every
doubt That I didn't even know I had I felt it
down into my bones. I felt it all go away I no
longer had any doubt and I still have absolutely
no doubt that God is real that God exists and
he may not be like everybody thinks he is because
everybody's got their ideas of what they think
God is like and I can almost guarantee that if
one was not prepared or told certain information,
that if they were ever before him, they wouldn't
recognize him. I think I pointed it out to you
too. Jesus, in this particular book, the Essene
Gospel of Peace, was so interesting the way he
worded it that I, I think I read it to you, but
that I read the part where he talks, he kind
of says a little bit about God and at the very
end, and you'd never have any idea what he's
talking about. And then at the very end of the
sentence, he says, for this is God if you did
but know it, because you wouldn't know. Unless
somebody explained it to you, you're not going
to know. And he describes them perfectly. When
I say God is like water, I mean just look at
how Jesus describes them. He literally calls
it the holy streams. So he's also describing
the same way as I saw him. That's why this book
impacted me so much because it's the only book
I've ever seen that described God correctly.
Obviously I had direct experience and I had a
witness with me and he marked my body, which
was a whole other thing. This was very accurate.
And I was very impressed by that and you go look
up this book and this author and they're gonna
Tell you he's a quack that this is a bunch of
garbage It's a bunch of nonsense and I probably
would have believed that being a skeptic that
I am But this was right and I don't know how
do not know how I need to me. He's clearly been
there That's what I can say jesus had been to
these places and he had been baptized in spirit
And also water and I don't think that was normal.
I think that most people were just baptized in
water I think that's the norm for the majority
of people But to be baptized in the Spirit is
a whole other thing. I don't know how people
could make that happen. It obviously sometimes
brings me sadness, though I know it's coming.
And by the way, the whole world's gonna be baptized
in Spirit, just so you know. That is something
that's gonna be coming in the future. And I know
people might think it's gonna be the most pleasant
thing. Ironically, it won't be at first. It's
gonna be painful, because everything's gonna
be revealed. And when I say everything, I'm talking
about everything. Every wrong that anybody's
ever done, every wrong that you've ever done,
it will all be revealed in a second. It's going
to be a very short period of time and it's going
to be extremely painful. Now granted, when it's
all said and done, you're going to feel really,
really good. It's all going to change and you'll
find your father and your connection once again.
The face of the earth will change and transform
if we can survive the tumultuous times that we
are going through and that we're going to go
through. Things are gonna get pretty wild and
some people say like oh don't be such a negative
person or a doomsday person I'm not saying that
because in the end I will tell you that in the
end eric It's always in a workout at the end.
You know, there's no other way. It's already
like written this in the stars That in the end
everything's in a workout and and we will be
okay But you know you go through growing pains
kind of like when a woman's giving birth, you
know It's painful and you're going through all
this and the baby finally comes out and there's
a relief and it's so beautiful and in the end
it's going to be a very beautiful thing. All
right, hey I appreciate you coming back for round
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