From the time that they pronounced me dead was
a good 45 minutes. They cut my clothes and then
they paddled. My heart, my heart had stopped
and I could see people screaming and crying but
I didn't realize that was actually my physical
body because I was somewhere else. The only thing
that I could feel if you could imagine absolute
love and peace, there wasn't anything else to
be felt. I was greeted by people I had known
in the past. I'm back home again. Incredibly
safe and felt at home. Welcome, welcome to Round
Trip Death, everybody. We have an awesome guest
on today, but I'm going to keep you in suspense
for a second because before I introduce Greg,
I want to just say this is going to be unusual
because some people don't believe near -death
experiences because Who is there to verify that
it happened? How can you prove that it really
happened? Well, today, you're actually going
to hear some of that proof about Greg's experience.
So tell us a little bit about you, Greg. Hi.
Hi, Eric. Thanks for that kind introduction.
If I were to tell people a little bit about me,
all I can say is, for me, the certain things
that happened in my life when I was really young
were just really strange. There was nobody to
really help me. through any of that process.
And that process has affected me my entire life,
who made me who I am today, which is, it's a
huge part of me. It wasn't a fun thing, by the
way, I guess I should clarify that. So, yeah,
I think if I were to just tell people what I'm
all about or who I am, I'm just a person that
really just cares about people. I've just always
been that way since I was little. I believe that
everybody's really that way in the end, but it's
just something that was always. Important to
me. I always loved people. I still do I'm a sensitive
person. It makes me sad to be quite honest You
know some of the things like we were taught before
we started recording we were talking about comments
that people make it's very sad to be quite honest
with you, too I actually get sad for them because
I don't think people realize by by spending time
on the other side like I have When people do
cruel things, I don't think they understand what
they're doing because they're gonna create a
whole lot of pain for themselves That's the thing
that they're eventually going to encounter when
they eventually leave this plane. So I actually
feel compassion for them. I feel bad for them.
and I'm saddened by it rather than getting angry
about it. In the past, you know, I used to get
angry about some things, but it's more it's more
sadness for them and sadness for the world. But
this is all part of the process that we are going
through as humanity. And I know that we're going
to grow out of it. I know that we're going to
be going through tumultuous times and it's just
the way that it is. But also another thing about
me that I learned the hard way is I care a lot
about health. You know, this this body, I really
believe. Just like the ancient scriptures say,
this body is the temple of God. This is where
he resides. This is his home. And so I believe
that we need to respect it. And I believe that
there is a very evil power out there that is
actually on purpose trying to harm this body.
That's why we see things in the water. That's
why we see things in the air. That's why we see
things in the food, even our medicine sometimes.
And I'm not here to make any medical claims,
right? And I'm not gonna name any products or
nothing like that. I'm just saying. To me it's
pretty obvious that something is happening and
I just saw the latest statistics because by the
way I worked in the medical field for a little
over two decades and so I follow a lot of the
trends and right now the trends for people getting
sick is so high. I mean it's astronomically high
we've never seen anything like it including children
which is very sad but this is all part of the
plan. This is part of the evil plan and they're
saying that in the next five years that our cancer
rates are gonna double. This is not an accident.
And so I try to educate now that I've been through
it myself. And that's a whole other aspect, but
I really think, Eric, that the connection between
spirituality and actual health, like physical
health, life, they have a lot to do with each
other. That's why when you see people like, even
like the stories of Jesus, what did he really
go do? He went around preaching the truth and
he went around healing people from illness. I
mean, these are the two pivotal points. And it's
really important and even in front of the hospitals,
this is a very kind of almost there. I say big
secret that nobody's noticed. I have a lot of
stuff that I know now because of the information
that's given to me in front of hospitals. There's
a symbol that hospitals use. The symbol they
use is actually the symbol for the real tree
of life. They're trying to tell you we're in
charge of your life, you know, meaning we tell
you what's good for you and all this is by design.
I mean, this is this is all around this and I'm
not a big Conspiracy guy or anything. I'm actually
if people want to know my personality I'm actually
a huge skeptic and it's really hard for me to
believe certain things and I have to verify verify
verify Whether it's with science a common sense
critical thinking ancient history ancient scripture
So there's a lot of things it's really hard to
convince me of something I really have to have
good data to really believe stuff that gets a
little wacky Which we're gonna be touching on
some of that today. So Well, I appreciate that,
and I'm in agreement about the relationship between
physical body and spiritual self. Okay, these
things are interrelated, something I don't understand
very well, but it is an important part of our
journey here, certainly. All right, let's focus
on near -death experience. Normally at this point,
I would say, okay, It happened to you here. Tell
me what happened that day that led up to it.
But for you, there was a lead up of quite a few
years before your overdose that we're going to
talk about. So if you could briefly get into
some of that history, not too much. And then
let's get to what really happened on that big
day. So the simple fact is when I was around
seven or eight years old, I had something very
strange happen to me. Obviously, I'm not gonna
go into details because it would be a little
too long. All I can say is that I was actually
just playing with toys by myself in my room like
a little kid would do. Something kind of spoke
to me and what was speaking to me was showing
me images. It was showing me like war. I saw
tanks. I saw kids screaming and running. I saw
a lot of pain and suffering and it was horrible.
And I could feel it in my soul. So it wasn't
just a vision. It was a vision with emotion,
like almost like I could feel the people's pain.
I was very confused by this, if you can imagine
that. I mean, I'm just a kid and I didn't understand
it. And so I had this conversation with this
quote unquote, there is a kind of entity, I guess
you could call it. And we had a little conversation
about the pain of the world, the suffering, different
things like this. And I basically tried to kind
of brush it off. And, you know, I'm just a little
kid playing toys, but it was confusing to me.
I always remembered it. It has a lot to do with
the pain of the world is actually in all of us.
All the pain that people create to each other,
because we're all one in the end. So somewhere
buried deep down inside of us, anything we do
to another is being done unto us. I think in
ancient scripture, I think Jesus said it, you
know, I can't remember the verse exactly, but
it's something like, You do unto others your
you do unto yourself or as you do unto God you
do unto yourself something something like that
But the simple fact is is that's I've seen it.
It's really that simple. And so obviously that's
why scripture say love your neighbor as yourself
It's pretty basic, but it's there's a deep wisdom
in it And so that's kind of how the beginning
of this happened within months I started feeling
a great deal of pain and suffering in my soul.
There's nothing wrong with me physically I was
totally a healthy child, but I had this pain
and it felt like just Suffering in my soul and
I couldn't explain it and it was really heavy
and it affected me a great deal It affected me
for so long that I started feeling just extremely
sad depressed It was wearing me down and it was
so extreme. It wasn't just like the pain of one
person or two people or ten people It felt like
in the millions. It was too much way too much
Unfortunately, I became very you know, I wanted
to end my life It was too painful and it just
got too heavy. So by the time I was about 10
years old, I believe Now is when the first time
I attempted to to do that and sadly every time
I would try because I tried many times I would
poison myself, you know, this is something that
I was trying to I was trying to do and to kind
of skip over a little bit a lot of that stuff
because then there was a lot of confusion my
parents were confused like why is this happening
to my child because I had really good parents
I'd get family nothing bad, you know had happened
so After all this fast forwarding after attempting
many times and failing every time By the time
I was 18 years old, I was like, this is ridiculous.
I keep trying. I keep failing. I've seen all
the psychologists and psychiatrists and tried
their silly pharmaceuticals that they think I
have a chemical imbalance. It had nothing to
do with that. And I was new in my heart of hearts
that it didn't have anything to do with that.
But I was in so much pain for living all those
years that way that one day I just decided to
take as many pills as I possibly could. I lined
them up. You know, I got these Costco bottles.
you know ibuprofen and Tylenol and etc and whatever
pharmaceutical I could find in the cupboard and
They had prescribed me also and just I just lined
them up and I just started taking them by the
handful I was I wasn't a lot of pain I was crying
and as I was doing that and this was like my
last attempt I was like I have to do something
so extreme because I keep surviving and so I
tried to put down a thousand pills I didn't reach
a thousand but I did I was pretty close. It was
about eight hundred and you know, 30 something
octiles, but I was just shy of a thousand. And
I always remember reading on the bottles, don't
ever take this stuff with alcohol, so what did
I do? I took it with alcohol, you know. I was
trying to do everything that I could. It's really
stupid. Do I regret it? I regretted a great deal
because I just, knowing what I know now, I just
would never want to hurt, I wouldn't want to
hurt anybody, of course. I don't want to hurt
myself, of course, but doing it's a disrespect.
That's what it feels like to me. It's disrespectful
to God to harm the very gift that we have. It's
disrespectful. I regret what I've done very much.
And if anything good can come out of it, that's
the important part. Well, let's talk about it.
What happened next? Did somebody find you? Did
you end up in the hospital? So what I did was
I did it around midnight so that nobody would
find me. You know, I just wanted to do it and
go to bed. And of course I did. And I woke up
about three hours later, maybe four, and I felt
so sick. I mean, I felt like I was dying. You
know, I'd have blackouts and I would see not
very kind images. I was just hoping it would
be over. I wanted this to just end, but I ended
up being found around six or seven in the morning.
Then I was rushed to the emergency room. By the
time I got there, the doctors said, there's almost
nothing we can do because you took these pills
so long ago. There's nothing that can be done
at this point, but if you want, they said, I
guess we can pump your stomach, but there's probably
nothing to do. So they put a tube down my throat.
They plopped my stomach. They gave me activated
charcoal in timeframes regularly. They put me
in a room, hospital room. And I remember a doctor
walking in alone. He wanted to have a private
conversation with me. And he just asked me, he
said, look, I'm looking at the report here. It
says that you took just shy of a thousand pills.
He said, I'd like you to tell me the truth. And
I was like, really confused. I'm like, what do
you mean the truth? And he said, there's no way
you took that many pills. And I'm like, well,
you don't have to believe me, but I know what
I did. And then I became curious. I said, why
do you think that I didn't take these many pills?
He said, because nobody could survive that. He
said, it would have absolutely done a huge number
on your heart and you shouldn't survive that.
That's when I got kind of curious. I was like,
damn, how did I survive this? Right? When he
left, I remember there was these like beings
of light by my bed. They were talking in unison
with one voice, but I was trying to ignore them.
of all things i just didn't i just was trying
to ignore them i didn't really want to think
about it much but they kept saying things like
you'll never do it again you'll never do it again
you'll never do it again you know they repeated
it like that over and over almost like a mantra
and i would almost have like these visions which
i was trying to ignore i was like no i'm not
seeing anything this is not happening basically
almost like i could feel my future and i could
feel that i would never do it again that was
the last time and i kept thinking that can't
be true because i was already planning in my
head that I was going to get out of there and
plan it again. And in about a month, I was going
to try again. I remember thinking to myself,
you know, you guys are wrong. Whoever's talking,
you're wrong. I know my head. I'm going to do
this again. And that really shows you the difference
between the head of the flesh, the brain, as
compared to the spirit. And the truth is the
spirit won, because the spirit was right. I never
did ever try again. And they were absolutely
correct. And everything they showed me was right.
And so that was a big thing. And so I never did
do it again, but I did find out after I left
the hospital a few months later, something a
month, two months later, I did find out that
I had caused myself to have severe heart damage.
And so my heart was now all screwed up. So let
me just interject at that point, because most
people the first time that they hear your story,
they're going to say, Well, okay, where's the
NDE in that? Where did you die and go over to
the other side. I'm just going to say, be patient,
it's still coming. Yeah, because that wasn't
when it happened. If anything, I just saw there's
a path that is taken when you go to the other
side. And the beginning of the path is actually
always dark, certain level of pain and reflection
of life and different things. I saw that part.
But that's all I saw when I did the pills. I
just saw the darkness. And so after that, I had
this heart issue. And of course, I eventually
saw a cardiologist and the cardiologist told
me he's like, look, this is gonna kill you. He's
like, you're only gonna have so many years. He
said, you should be dead in 10, maybe before.
And he said, you know, we really probably need
to do like surgery or, you know, we need to do
something to try to fix your heart. But in my
mind, I just thought, it's fine. Leave my heart
alone. It'll be okay. And when I pass, I pass.
For me, I wasn't afraid of it. It's sad to say
this, but. I was welcoming it. I'm like, OK,
when it happens, it happens. You know, I'm not
worried about it. So I kept living my life. But
then this is where the end part comes in. It
was just it was completely random. I had a friend
who was having a rough time and him and then
somebody else very close to me. The three of
us were like, hey, let's just go and have a day
out in nature. So we went for a drive. We stumbled
upon this beautiful. Spot is actually kind of
a secret spot. I was surprised We found that
nobody could find this almost and when we went
in there there was a canyon and you literally
have to climb down into this canyon and then
the canyon was a Beautiful river with you know,
beautiful rocks and trees and it was just such
a great spot and we could swim right there in
the river and So that's what we did. We went
there to just hang out It was a beautiful summer
day and just have a beautiful day at the river
and that's what we were doing You're just hanging
out. We're having a good time And it's hard for
me to describe this part, Eric, but something
kind of came over me. I felt like fun, it felt
kind of weirdly peaceful, but I also felt like
something was calling me. And I felt like being
alone. I felt like I needed to be alone in order
to quote unquote, I guess, receive this call.
I didn't really know what it was. I could just
feel it. So I told the guys that I was with,
I was like, look guys, I'm really sorry to do
this, but I think I want to spend a little alone
time. You know, I didn't have any expectations.
I had zero idea what was happening. I just felt
like being alone, which is unusual, right? I
just wanted to have a good time with my friends.
And so they understood. They kept doing whatever
they were doing. And then I just started walking
up the river because the river was it was very
long. There was a lot of space and area. You
could walk for quite a while. So I just started
walking. I just started walking up the river
by myself and feeling this strange feeling of
kind of peace. And I was trying not to think
of anything. I was like, you know, I just. See
what happens just go with it kind of thing and
I did and I just kept walking up the river and
then eventually For whatever reason I don't even
know how I chose it. There was this gigantic
rock and I called this day the day on the rock
I that's what I call it now and I sat on that
rock and the water The water the river was hitting
really hard right down that spot It was so loud
the river that if I were to look down the river
Which I was very far away at this point if I
were to even able to see my friends If I were
to yell at them, they wouldn't even hear me.
It was so loud. We were so far away and the river
was very pronounced. And I just sat there and
I just started kind of listening to the water,
feeling this peaceful feeling just kind of sitting
there. And I decided to close my eyes. And as
I closed my eyes, I started listening to the
water almost like it almost became a little hypnotic.
Like, you know, it's like you're listening to
a mantra or something that's hypnotic. And the
sound of the water, I started like it started
doing something. It reminds me of a scriptural
verse that says, and the voice of God is like
the sound of many waters. This is where I really,
in time, I learned the magic of water. And in
time, it's gonna be revealed to humanity. We
have forgotten the magic of water and what it
can really do for us and the many uses of it.
And it's even this relationship to God, as crazy
as all that sounds. And so as I listened to it,
I decided to almost tell myself, you know what?
Just don't think of anything. Like try to clear
your mind almost like a meditation, right? So
I just decided to like let all the worries all
the ideas just let everything fade away and I
just was sitting in stillness And as I did that
I started hearing my heartbeat, you know when
you're really silence You can hear your own heartbeat.
A lot of people have had that experience And
that's when I heard I could hear my own heartbeat
all screwed up because it would it would beat
and it would just stop Completely almost like
a flat line and I remember feeling that as it
flatlined Was inching towards death or somewhere
I could feel it and then all sudden beat again
and it was doing this and the longer that I was
there the longer these pauses of my death was
happening and So as that was happening, I started
the door start to open to this like it was a
path of darkness I don't know why we called this
but there's a Bible verse and before I keep going
I want people to know I am NOT a Bible thumper.
I don't study the scriptures Honestly, I tried
to read the Bible when I was younger and I was
going through a lot of my suffering. It made
no sense to me. I didn't understand it. I thought
it was boring. I had zero interest in it. So
that's why it's weird when you hear me bring
up Bible verses because I bring them up because
they came to me instead of me looking for them.
And so what happened was now Bible verses as
I walked through the valley of the shadow of
death, I will fear no evil. So I'm walking down
what I mean, it's like I'm literally traveling
down this corridor of darkness and there's all
these things. that are trying to almost like
get my attention or trying to tempt me with different
things. But the premise of what I was doing up
was I don't want to hear anything or anyone.
I just want to be still for a moment. I just
want a little peace, you know? And so I didn't
pay attention to them. And as I didn't pay attention
to them, I got deeper into this dark corridor.
And then the deeper I got, this thing started
getting ramped up. Then I realized something
doesn't want me to go down this path I could
feel it and it knew me so well whatever this
dark entity was knew me it knew how to try to
tempt you and I could just feel it as I'm going
down this dark corridor and it continues to happen
and as I got really deep that's when things got
crazy because this thing was noticing I'm not
getting to this guy when I got deep it pulled
out the deepest fears I have so somehow it knows
my deepest fears and it started showing these
like bugs Crawling all over me. In fact, I saw
when I finally reached the end of this dark path,
which took a while I saw my body laying on the
earth and Then all these bugs started crawling
all over me and crawling into my ears and my
nose and it's like I wanted to freaking panic
But I knew somehow that that's what it wanted
So I just stayed calm and I just was like, you
know what you want to take me? Take me you want
to threaten me? Just do it. I'm not gonna fight
So I just went into that piece and my whole body
was covered with these different bugs and scorpions
and snakes. Just everything that's creepy crawly
terrible. And then my whole body started like
decomposing into the soil. So it started disappearing.
I was sinking into the soil and by the time my
body was gone, everything just went dark. All
of a sudden everything's just black. And then
it took about, I'm trying to really remember
here, it took about five, 10, 15 seconds. Something
along this and then boom just total bright light
totally blinding can't see a thing totally white
and Then all of a sudden the light kind of just
dies down ever so slowly and it's a woman Now
I say woman. Let me clarify this being of light
doesn't have a sex Okay, so I say woman because
the vibe the energy that was coming off of her
was so female It's like mother earth. We call
it mother earth. We don't say father earth, right?
It's an energetic thing Do you feel at this point
like you have gone someplace? Like your spirit
is out of your body. I mean you were mentioning
about your heart And you told me the other day
you could tell when it actually stopped Yes,
so or do you feel like you were just in a meditative
kind of state? So this is what it felt like to
me because my heart would stop so much And just
to keep me alive, boom, it would do the bare
minimum to keep me alive. So I felt like I was
between heaven and earth. Now, this is kind of
going out of the timeline, but I forgot to mention
it. When I had the thing happen to me as a child
that I brought up, where the whole weird conversation
with whoever was talking to me, my body got marked.
And this is where things get really, really strange.
My body got marked, but I didn't understand what
it was. I got this mark that appeared on the
it's on my upper right leg It's on my thigh this
thing appeared on my body after that child the
incident that happened to me as a child I didn't
think anything of it. I never told anybody I
just had it on my body for a long time. I eventually
showed my mom I believe I think I was in my early
30s when I shared it with her I don't remember
did it ever go away No, it's still there and
and eventually The spirit explained to me what
it was and that's kind of why I'm bringing it
up because the mark has to do With giving you
it's almost like I want to call it like a pass
It's really weird to call it that like a special
pass or something that allows me to travel between
heaven and earth I know that sounds really odd.
It's actually of all places. It's in Chinese
folklore It's called the mark of the dragon because
a dragon what a dragon really is. I think people
misunderstand I know they look at it as a negative
thing A dragon is a serpent with wings. There's
even people like Quetzalcoatl, which they call
them the feathered serpent. And so I didn't understand
any of this though. All I knew is that this mark
appeared. When I showed my mom, she's like, what
the heck is that? You never had that. She said,
you were a baby. I changed your diapers. I know
your body and you never had that. She's like,
where did that come from? And of course I explained
to her, but my mom's like me. She's a skeptic
and I don't even think she believed it, but she
saw it. She knows it's real. This whole thing
that's happening, where my heart is stopping
and I literally feel like I'm inching towards
death and then this bright light and it's a being.
The light is her clothing. So that's why it's
so weird because you can feel everything that
she is. It comes from her heart and her soul.
Her clothing is what personifies her heart. So
what I'm saying is that the moment I was in front
of her, I could feel everything about her. I
could feel her infinite patience, her infinite
compassion, this level of love. I mean, there
is no human I've ever met that is at that level.
And I think the majority of people, including
myself, would have guessed that this was either
God or some type of special angel. I mean, that
would have been the guess, you know, but when
I was in this place, I was trying to not think
anything. Thoughts kind of disrupted everything.
So instead I was just like feeling it and I didn't
want to interject ideas because I remember one
thing that was whispered to me as I was going
through the dark corridor was let go of all your
beliefs. Let go of all your preconceived notions.
Let go of all your ideas because only then will
you see truth because otherwise our ideas get
in the way. We can self manifest like let's say
I'm Buddhist and I really believe in Buddhism
and then I encounter Buddha, you know, and I'm
like, okay, I kind of self manifest that I didn't
want to have. any idea and I still don't I don't
have any I'm not religious I don't have any beliefs
in regards to that but obviously I don't just
believe that God's there I know he's there now
I mean I met him so I know it's real but the
point is is that I'm before this being and it
was really strange because when you're once you're
on the other side you truly are naked and what
I mean by naked is I'm not talking about clothing
on the other side your heart is just totally
exposed completely naked and so I'm standing
there before her, and the very first thing I
say, because when we speak here on this world,
at least for me, I try to think before I speak,
right? So I don't say anything weird, you know,
because I do have Asperger's, and so sometimes
I say things that upset people, but it's never
my intention. I have to watch my thoughts before
I speak. In this place, that's not the way it
worked. In this place, it just came straight
out of my heart. Blurry now, didn't even get
a chance to think about it, and it just told
her, as I'm before her, I want to be like you.
You know, that was the first thing that I remember
ever came out of my heart and I said it I know
why I said it because deep in my heart She was
everything that I ever wanted in my life from
the moment my suffering began that seven years
old eight year old child There's only one thing
I wanted Eric. I wanted to feel happiness. I
wanted to be happy Because my suffering was so
great and I didn't want anything else And I knew
that nothing could make me happy as far as like
fancy things, cars, clothes, money, houses. None
of this could make me happy. This pain was just
something else. And you'd had it for so many
years. Yeah. And was she relieving that pain
for you? It's not that she was relieving it.
It was the being before her. I just knew somehow
in my heart this was everything I'd been looking
for. It was everything I ever wanted. And so
I just said it. I was like, I want to be like
you. I want to have that. I want to be like you.
And I always remember her response because she
said, you are me, and I am you. And immediately,
because I'm such a skeptic, Immediately not arguing
with her, but I I tried to point out there I
was like look look at me because before her My
heart was exposed everything that I am all my
flaws is a human being. I just told her I'm like
look at me. I'm not like you She just said you
are me and I am you I'm like look at me. That's
not true Look at this flawed human. I am not
like you you are amazing. Look at me you know,
I was trying to show her but it was so funny
because When she spoke truth She never tried
to defend herself after that. She never tried
to argue back with me here I'm trying to point
out to her my flaws and She it felt like she
was saying I spoke truth and that's the end of
it. Like that's the end There is no there's no
more conversation here Yeah, love that and so
that happened and then after I tried to point
out all my flaws and she's not replying She she
spoke her truth and then I just wanted to be
with her It's almost like if you were just laying
in the grass, you know next to a dog that you
love and you just you're just being You know,
there's no need to talk or you just lay next
to each other. Maybe the dogs leaning on you
I was just there with her in her presence almost
in her arms a little bit But I just I was just
happy to be there blown away by what's happening,
but I didn't want to think I just was like I'm
just gonna be let it be After spending so much
time with her she finally grabbed my hand like
she reached out her hand and I grabbed her hand
and we started flying away and That's when I
really started feeling like I'm leaving my body
So the first part of the journey I was it felt
like I was going into my body like I'm going
to these depths and places that one thing I've
learned that I know for certain now We have all
these things inside of us that we don't know
about Things that we haven't seen, you know,
one of my favorite lines is It's a long story,
but this ancient woman was told a guy she said,
this will show you that which is hidden from
you. You know, is this kind of line that I heard
that I was like, because things are hidden from
us. There's things that we're not aware of. And
anyway, once you go through all that, you can
go to this other place. It's like dealing with
your garbage before you can move on to a beautiful
place. Like you have to be almost purified of
your darkness or something. So I'm with her.
She grabs my hand. We start. kind of floating
off into outer space, like literally the cosmos.
It's literally the heavens, outer space. And
as we're going, I can see the earth disappearing.
It's getting smaller and we're leaving. And then
boom, I feel like a string or a rope that just
stops. And I felt all my attachments. I felt
all the people I love, you know, family members,
friends, all these, what we would call attachments.
And I could feel them all. And the attachment
was love. Could feel the love I didn't feel attachments
to like a car or house or a bank account I felt
attachments that had everything to do with love
and when I felt that moment so much happened
in that moment because it Felt like I wanted
to go back the love was drawing me back and it
was difficult because here I've been suffering
all my life release the majority of it and Now
I feel all this love and I want to run back to
all these people And not only that, the biggest
attachment was to this body. So this body, like
the idea of who this is, you know, like your
date of birth, your social security number, whoever
you think that you are, right? This character
in this movie or whatever. I felt those attachments.
And again, I wanted to go back and I felt so
much love in this place that I was like, oh my
God, I want to go back to my loved ones. And
then I had to remind myself and this was really
difficult because my suffering had to be so high
just to have a chance. and I told myself dude
what are you thinking you're thinking you want
to go back don't you remember don't you remember
did you forget you wanted this you wanted to
leave your suffering that's all you've ever done
is suffer and now you're feeling all this love
you want to go back and I was just like that's
right like snap out of it in my heart I wanted
to go back but I forced myself to make a decision
at that moment and it wasn't easy because I didn't
feel suffering at that moment so it was hard
But I made a really hard decision like a hard
stop and said, you know what? I really want to
go back, but I don't ever want to suffer like
that anymore. It's really hard for me to do this,
but this is a one in a lifetime opportunity.
I'm about to finally leave. So I let it all go.
It was really hard. I let go of my family. I
let go of my body. I just let go of everything.
And then once I made that decision, she took
me. And then as we traveled, I learned a lot
of things because one of the things that I that
I didn't know is that stars are like doorways.
i think that's why they call them star gates
because a door or a gate is the same thing it's
like an entrance and that's when we went to the
first star we went to a star and the moment we
went through it oh my goodness eric the speed
just boom we just started traveling at a ridiculous
speed i can't even begin to explain to you how
fast we were going and earth was long gone like
we are see you later we are super far and then
we'd hit another star and then boom we'd head
off in a different direction and then when we
reached another one boom another direction and
we were just traveling the stars and and it was
so much speed so far away and then i remember
starting to think to myself you know what i'm
never gonna find my way back it wasn't actually
thinking i could feel it i'm like i'm lost out
here like i don't know where we're at i don't
know where we're going and i'll tell you one
thing there's no way i'm gonna find my way back
and i knew that And at that point, I just had
to surrender. I'm like, I'm never coming back.
I really thought I was never going to come back.
I thought I was officially dead. My body was
long gone. You could cut my arm. I wouldn't have
felt it. You know, it wouldn't have mattered.
So I'm traveling to the stars with her and quite
a while. I mean, at that speed, we were traveling
a good five, 10 minutes. And that was a lot for
those type of speeds. The one weird part that's
a little tricky for me to understand, we're together,
right? This being and I, this being of light.
And in time, it felt like we were merging. So
by the time I arrived, in fact, this is really
odd. I'll show you a weird picture that really
is odd. And I'll explain more about it later.
But notice this picture, because I always wonder
who in the heck drew this. Because this is a
lot of what I saw. It was a lot like this. But
notice that there's a being with the person.
And notice that there's a little crown of light,
like implying that this person is a being of
light. And so this person's traveling with me.
They're not just traveling with me. They're taking
me. And we arrive to this place and everything
just, boom, stops. Now it's also like stillness,
you know, complete peace. And we arrive to what
I call a council. There are literally these beings
in a circle. The moment I arrived, they spoke
to me with one voice. It wasn't like people talking
over each other. It's like truly just one voice.
And they said, we've been waiting for you. And
when they said it, as they said it, we've been
waiting for you. All this rush of information
was presented to me showing me that they've known
who I was for a very long time. They've been
following since even before I was born. It was
a whole plan of me being conceived, me coming
into planet earth and they knew who I was. There's
this whole plan and they're showing me all this.
But all I can remember is I remember feeling
this strange feeling of like I felt bad because
it felt like I don't know why it felt like a
dinner, but this is the best example I can use.
It's as if somebody had prepared a wonderful
meal for you or a dinner, and you're supposed
to go to their house at 5 p .m. or whatever,
but you never knew. Nobody told you. So if nobody
told you there's dinner, you don't, you didn't
even go to this random person's house. And it
felt like they were waiting practically almost,
I don't want to say an eternity, but they've
been waiting all my life. And I didn't even know
they were waiting for me. So I felt bad. I was
like, oh my gosh, I'm so sorry. I didn't know.
that you were waiting for me. You know, I didn't
know this. So I had that weird feeling. And here's
the part where some people get really upset.
They said something else to me. People tell me
I shouldn't even bring it up, but I want to be
accurate to what happened. And I want you to
be honest. We talked about this a lot the other
day. And I know you're being honest. So please
just go ahead. So they said one more thing to
me, which was really just for me. And that's
the reason that I don't really share it and I
do think it actually would upset people but it
doesn't matter it wasn't for them it was for
me so they said one other thing and then after
that I'm just here before them and that angel
being is like it's like she's still with me kind
of but it also felt like she was integrated into
me so I was a little confused but I wasn't thinking
about it much I was just before this council
and each one of them felt like they had had lived
a life so these counseled to me felt like they
were beings that wanted to do God's will. That's
what it felt like. It did not feel like normal
lives. And so the first one had already lived
a life, had fulfilled whatever it is that they
were supposed to do, some type of thing that
had to do with God's will. And then once he was
done, which he was, he was now there placed on
this, like, not on a shelf, but on this council.
A lot like that thing behind you, actually, like
that circle that's behind you, which is just
a steering wheel to a boat. But it was like that.
So that was the first one and then the second
one same thing and all these beings that had
come to life and done a Certain work that they
were supposed to do. This has all been going
on for thousands of years So this is not something
there's a big grand master plan Right. I don't
know all the details of it. I only knew pieces
of it Now all these beings are there and there
was one slot left. It was implying to me somehow
That it's almost finished We are almost done
with this plan that he's had for so long in that
one spot. This is hard for me to say, but it
felt like it felt like I was supposed to be in
that spot. Like, that's why they were waiting
for me. They're waiting for me to finish something
that has been going on for a very long time.
And then this is right before I get to meet,
quote unquote, the Almighty, your God. One of
them starts making a sound. It sounds like I
can't I can't mimic it, but it was kind of like.
and then the next one goes and they all start
making these different sounds and the sounds
are interjecting with each other and as the sounds
interject with each other it creates a whole
other sound that you can't even fathom but it's
really deep extremely deep sound and the closest
thing that you would say this sounds like ohm
but it wasn't ohm it was so much more profound
than that nothing that you could hear with the
naked ear but as they're doing this it's opening
up a door right in the center of all of them.
And I could feel a great sense of almost honor
because they were each making a sacrifice to
open this door. As they opened it, they can't
go through it. So the best, another dumb example
that I can think of is if you were to get a bunch
of strong men and a rubber band and they're all
putting their hands in it and they're all trying
to pull to open up like this circle so you could
jump through it, but nobody who's holding it
could jump through. does that make any sense
eric yeah i i think i'm i think i'm catching
on so they're opening this thing and i could
feel that they were doing it for me they didn't
say a word i just felt it like they were telling
me go ahead like walk through it was almost instinctual
i didn't think about it i just walked through
and i just felt very grateful that they were
doing this and it felt like such a great opportunity
or whatever it was and i walked through and the
moment i walked through The whole thing is left
behind me as far as whatever I was dealing with
whatever I am walking into this place and that's
when I met God in just in all his Amazing glory,
but it's he is the source of all things. He didn't
speak a lot very few words Everything was mostly
quote -unquote. Oh, I guess you could call it
telepathic But the first thing I'll say is that
he was absolutely massive is so big you can't
even fathom the size of it. You know, you could
stand before a mountain, you could stand before
the sun, and not even close. So he was really
big. And I should say also, he doesn't have a
sex. He's definitely not human -like. The reason
I call him he, just like the reason I called
the angel a she, was because his energy was very
male. Very, very, very male. And very heavy -handed.
You could feel it reminds you of a scriptural
verse that says that he will rule with an iron
rod. His law, there is no breaking his law. There
is no bending his law. His law is the law, you
know, like the law of the land or, you know,
it's kind of like if you had one of those fathers
that, you know, you walk in the house as a little
kid or something and he is the law, you know,
and if whatever your father says goes, that's
what goes, you know, he was really huge. Now,
what was more interesting about it was not so
much what he looked like, actually. It's what
he moved like and what he sounded like. I can
talk about what he looked like, but that wasn't
the most prominent thing because he moved like
a river. He looked like a gigantic cosmic river,
but it was so many colors in the river. Stars
and colors and reds and blues and even the background
was actually kind of black like the universe.
You know, when you look up at the stars, the
background is black. and he's flowing like a
river and again a lot of the stuff was very instinctual
i literally start walking right into him and
it looked like probably like a scene out of a
movie because it looks like i'm walking into
a river and i'm just walking into him up until
i'm probably about to my waist deep i decided
to lay in him so i just opened my arms and i
just laid back as if ironically it looks a lot
like baptism I think that there's a reason that
they baptize in a river. Honestly, I think the
river and the wind are the closest things that
you'll ever see to look like God. And that's
what he does, he washes things away. But he also
carries knowledge and wisdom. So when I laid
in him, the amount of information, I can't even
begin to comprehend this, Eric. Every nanosecond,
forget every second, every nanosecond. you'd
have millions if not billions of the most brilliant
ideas most wisest things that you've ever heard
just flowing so it's kind of like if you were
to stick your head into the internet and all
the information that's flowing through the internet
it's too much for anybody to grasp right but
i could feel it like we say we don't have the
bound the bandwidth for it to get downloaded
that fast right you were just getting too much
you couldn't even process it shall we say So
this is an unusual explanation of God. I find
it fascinating and really interesting. What do
you say to people that just can't comprehend
it because they have their own, you know, here's
what I think God should look like or God should
be like or move like or the size or the whatever
because you talked about how he moved and how
big he is and things like that. How do you find
that people deal with that? Well, look, I mean
like anything Eric before that ever happened
to me, I mean I had no clue I literally had no
clue what God would look like. I I mean I had
ideas I'll tell you one thing all my ideas were
shattered because it didn't fall into anything
that I'd ever thought before in fact To be honest
with you. I didn't even recognize them. I didn't
know it was God at first I I had no idea what
was happening, but I didn't think it was him
It took me some time to figure it out and what's
really crazy I thought to myself, somebody has
had to have gone through this before, it can't
just be me. So I would look in places, I would
read in books, I was trying to find something
and I couldn't and the story about how I found
it is so weird. But without going into the story
due to some time limits, this book, which a lot
of people think it's nonsense, and I myself would
have thought This was absolute nonsense. It's
supposed to be a book that a guy translated from
the hidden archives of the Vatican. It has stories
about Jesus that you've never heard. Some of
them are in there from the Bible, but other stuff
you've never heard. The only reason I bring up
this book is because at the very, very end of
the book, Jesus starts describing the other side
and God. I couldn't believe it. This is it. He
describes exactly what I saw. He describes the
sound, he describes it so beautifully, so poetically,
even the beginning of it, he calls it the holy
streams. Because it's like water, it's like streams
of water. And he describes God so perfect, and
what's so hilarious, because he uses the exact
same words I used. And I never saw this book
until many years after the fact. What's it called,
by the way? It's called the Essene Gospel of
Peace. And the key word is peace because remember,
Jesus didn't go around saying, God be with you.
He went around saying, peace be with you. And
it was peace that gets you to these places. And
everything that robs you of peace only pulls
you farther away from God. So when he's describing
them, if you didn't know any better, you're reading
this thinking, okay, this is odd. And then at
the very end of this beautiful paragraph, he
says, for this is God, if you did but know it.
Because you wouldn't even know because your ideas
have gone in the way of the reality of what he
is now granted Everything is born of him. So
when I was there everything that's in our existence
every tree every herb every animal Everything
is born of him life itself is that everything
that's alive. He's he's in everything that's
alive That's a simple fact. He is in everything
that's alive. So when I got to him and I'm laying
in him massive amount of information which I
knew I couldn't grab because if I did it would
all kind of fade away and disappear so I either
could grab one golden nugget or I just let all
his glory flow through me and so I just let all
his glory flow through me I rather just have
him and not remember it I just decided to go
with it and it was so much information but the
weird thing about his information was that it
was only answers so everything was an answer
to Whatever question so if I were to even grasp
one of these golden nuggets I would have to really
figure out what the question is because an answer
makes no sense Unless you know the question I
could give you six point two three five seven.
Oh, that's a brilliant answer. But what's the
question, right? I don't even understand the
answers and so he was nothing but answers and
I remember he spoke to me at that moment because
I was thinking like This is nothing but answers,
and it doesn't make any sense to me, but I can
feel the wisdom, I can feel the brilliance in
it. And then that's when he spoke, he says, there
are no questions here, only answers. That's what
he said. And that's all he was. He was a river
of answers. And all you have to do is figure
out the right question. But he was nothing but
answers. He was nothing but light. He was nothing
but just crazy amounts of information. You can't
even begin to fathom. You can never, bigger than
the internet. And the internet's huge. It's like
a grain of sand compared to what? how enormous
God is, and the source of everything that comes
from Him. I've got to ask you this, and think
about it for a second if you want to before you
answer. And that is, how are you feeling in God's
presence? Because you've mentioned peace, you've
mentioned knowledge, and a lot of other words.
I haven't heard you say fear. I haven't heard
you say love. I haven't heard a lot of other
things. So I'm curious, dig deep. What were you
really feeling? You made me cry with this one.
I knew when I was a kid and I was feeling that
emptiness and that pain, I just felt instinctive.
I don't know how I knew this. I just knew that
he was the only thing that could quench that
thirst or make that pain subside. And when I
was with him, I didn't feel empty anymore. I
just had my father back. I just wanted to be
with him. I just missed him. I was shown a lot
of things. I was shown how he had chosen me for
this. Apparently I volunteered. I didn't even
know any of this stuff. Apparently I volunteered
to come to Earth. I came here to want to do something
actually for him. Something that would carry
out his will on Earth. I didn't even realize
that's why I went through all the suffering.
Of course, that was a question I had for him
at some point. I got to ask why did he not help
me as a child when I used to pray to him and
ask for help. I was really shocked when he said,
well, I was there and he showed me visions of
him watching over me as a child. But then he
said, and I'm asking why didn't you help me with
this pain? And he said, I allowed it. And I am
shocked by that because I'm like, what are you
talking about? You allowed it. I'm asking you
for help to stop it. You're telling me you allowed
it? But I was very confused because I'm like,
he didn't cause it. He allowed it. So then I'm
like, who caused this? And then, of course, I
realized and saw that I had chosen a certain
path before I was born. I chose it because the
suffering that one goes through opens up the
door to realizing what's truly important. If
you always have your health and if you're always
happy and you're in this life, well, you get
sucked into life like, okay, yeah, I want to
get a family and build a house and get a job
and get a mortgage and get this cool car that
I like and hang out with my friends. You get
lost in life, but it's the suffering that begins
to show you that none of that technically really
matters. There's something so much bigger than
that. That's why there's a verse in scripture
that says, he who lets go of his life shall have
it. He who holds on to his life shall lose it.
Because we forget what's important like truly
important in life I didn't realize that the suffering
would open a door that would lead me to him and
that's what he told me He said I allowed it because
he said had I not allowed it. He said you would
have never found me It's the suffering that led
me to it What did you learn about your relationship
with him? Just that I love him a lot and that
He has a very big plan that we can't really completely
fathom and understand And that this is not for
nothing, and the suffering won't be forever,
but there's a purpose behind our suffering and
free will and free choice. I mean, most of our
suffering comes from our own choices. We're the
ones causing most of this. And we hurt each other
so much, and it's very sad, but He does love
us a great deal. Did you realize that you used
the term father? Yeah, because it feels like
that. I told you, it feels like a male, a very
strong, like you're walking into a house that's
His. And He has certain rules, and we need to
learn them. But yeah, He is my Father in heaven.
When we're all His children, we're all brothers
and sisters here, Eric. All right. What happened
next? So I just spent a lot of time with Him.
And all this information was flowing and flowing,
and I spent at least an hour, maybe two, something
like that. I mean, I was there quite a while.
And later on, I found out from one of the people
who was on that trip with me. It's actually my
brother. One of them was my brother. The other
one was a good friend of mine. And my brother
had told me that they saw me in the distance
sitting on this rock and they're like dude you
were there for Hours at some point we thought
is he dead just sitting there like they thought
there was something wrong Because it's just not
normal and and I'm here in this other place Laying
in not God's arms. It wasn't arms. I was laying
in his river in his waters You know I was with
them and I could feel the information almost
I don't want to say being downloaded But it felt
like it was going in me somewhere being stored
in me somewhere I could just feel it and I went
with that because I didn't want to ruin it by
thinking anything and after quite a while all
of a sudden I could hear in the faint distance
the sound of the running water I was on that
rock I was next to the river I faintly heard
the water still and I remember feeling like my
body was I was very much disconnected from it
again you could cut my arm off and I knew I wouldn't
feel it but I thought to myself can I open my
eyes and I decided to try and I opened them very
slowly and very little and You have to remember
that all my life or at least the majority of
it Not only was I in pain and suffering, but
everything looked terrible to me. I couldn't
see the beauty in anything I couldn't see the
beauty in the mountains the sky the flowers like
everything looked ugly to me in my suffering
And when I opened my eyes ever so slowly It's
the first time I saw the kingdom of God Because
the kingdom of God is within you but it's all
around you. You know, it's literally Anything
that's alive and I and I opened my eyes and I
could see somehow I don't know how it's all happening
But I could see God's light in all things. I
could see it in every rock I could see it in
the river itself. I could see it in the wind
I could see it in every little bug every every
tree every bird. It was absolute beauty and in
my heart I just knew. I was like, this is heaven
on earth. It is here. I realized very quickly
that our eyes are truly closed. We're not awake
right now. Humans are definitely asleep. That's
why they're so lost and confused, because they
don't know their father in heaven. They don't
know the truth. They're just guessing. They're
guessing on their religions. They're guessing
on their beliefs. They're guessing about everything.
there's very little that humans know. Once in
a while, they feel a little this, feel a little
that, get a little intuition, a little inspiration.
But for the most part, we're blind. And not only
are our eyes closed, our ears too. And I open
my eyes and just see this absolute beauty, but
I also could hear God's voice. It's a sound.
And it was everywhere. It was literally everywhere.
You couldn't pinpoint where it was at. It was
coming from everything that was alive, every
tree, every leaf, the water, the wind, everything
underneath me, above me, it was everywhere. And
my mind, it's the first time in my life that
I ever felt this, I felt like I had two brains.
So I have one brain out in the cosmos with God,
and the other one was here in this body. So I
was literally in two places at one time, which
is a very strange thing to describe. And all
I remember was that I don't think anything. The
brain has to stay still because the moment you
start using your brain I could just feel it kind
of fades away and I'm like, oh don't fade away
I'll just I won't think anything. I promise you're
just stillness I think it's a lot like like a
lake of water when the lake goes still it becomes
like a mirror and the mirror is what allows you
to be able to see the heavens to be with God
and a lot of things now granted to get to God
to there there is a few issues because he's guarded
so you first have that angel or whatever the
being of light this council they don't just let
you in there seems to be I know with me that
they have to check my heart meaning they have
to look at what my true intentions are what's
inside of me who I am they don't just let you
in and I don't know why but that's just the process
and as I'm there I just turned my head over so
slightly and my brother from extremely far away
he turned his head to at the exact same time
And I just raised my hand and I kind of waved
at him to come over. And as he was walking to
me, I could feel his thoughts. So it was really
weird. I could feel people's thoughts and it
disrupted my thoughts. So here I'm trying to
be in stillness, but his thoughts were going
to disrupt my mind. So the moment he arrived
to me, I always remember telling him, I said,
brother, if you want to learn something, now's
the time. And if you don't, it's fine. I won't
repeat myself. I'll let it go. and we can just
go play in the river and have a wonderful day.
And he said, my brother's a curious guy, very
open -minded, so he was like, okay, yeah, sure,
I wanna learn something. What's going on here?
You've been sitting here for hours. I thought
you were dead. All I said to him was, I want
you to try to listen. That's all I want you to
do, just listen. So he sat next to me on that
rock and he was just trying to listen. And he
must've been there for 20 to 30 minutes. I mean,
he tried really hard. And he finally reached
the point where he kind of looked and he's like,
you know what? I don't know what's going on with
you and everything seems kind of weird. I don't
sitting on this rock and now you want me to listen
to something, but I don't hear anything. So he
was like, he gave up. He's like, you know what?
I'm going to go play at the river. You do whatever
you're to do. So he goes to stand up. And this
is another thing about God that's very interesting.
When you're connected to him, he's like the wind.
He's unpredictable. It's just like. Flowing and
then boom does this does that like whatever he
wants to do Well the moment my brother went to
stand up my arm just boom went out and grabbed
him by the wrist really fast and really hard
and I'm like Okay, what's going on? And I'm just
observing everything remember. I don't want to
think anything I'm just letting it happen and
I start squeezing his wrist pretty hard and I
start squeezing it really hard hard hard hard
to the point where I thought I was gonna break
his arm and I Felt like I had infinite strength
I'm like what in the world is going on here right
now? And then that's when he really turned and
he looks straight into my eyes And I could feel
like I could see right through him. I've never
seen anything like that I could see right through
him. I could see his soul. I could see everything
When he when we made that connection in the eyes
And he was about to tell me to stop he was like
he was about to tell me he told me labor He's
like I was about to tell you you're hurting me.
You're about to hurt me. It wasn't me I felt
almost bad that I did it and that it happened,
but I did it I spoke with a very intense voice
and I just said Can't you hear it because he
was trying to listen for the sound and he just
couldn't hear it in the moment. I said it Boom
the sound just oh I got huge and my brother just
froze because he heard it then and his vision
went dark and he saw all his sin, he said. This
is literally him saying this. He goes, I saw
all my darkness, all my sin. He said, it terrified
me. And I knew the prize was death. And he said
that he literally tried to run. He went to go
try to run his foot to get off the ground. And
then God spoke. He barely spoke and he said,
there is no place you can run to. There is no
place you can hide. No rock you can't crawl under.
And my brother just stood there. I knew that
he was in utter panic. And he's just frozen.
And then that's when I spoke to him. I said,
brother, he's not going to hurt you. Don't be
afraid. And my brother told me to this day, he
said, I heard your voice and it felt like everything
was just darkness. He goes, I didn't know where
I was at anymore. He goes, I heard your voice
say that. And he said, I turned and you were
there. And I was trying to tell him not to be
afraid because he was so afraid. That's when
my brother said, what is it? See, he didn't recognize
God either. So different than any idea we had.
And I didn't even bother putting words to it
because I didn't want to try to create an idea
like, oh, this is this. Even the word God, I
don't like it. But I just said, I don't know.
I didn't want to put words to it. And then my
brother just sat and calmed down because calmness
fears. And it reminds me of another scriptural
verse where these guys were before God and in
the Bible it says, and they trembled before his
might. That was my brother. He trembled before
his might. And on top of it, I believe there's
another verse that had to do with those guys
that met God that literally told, I believe,
Moses. They said, hey, Moses, we don't want to
see God anymore. Can we just, we don't want to
see him. Can you just go and find out what he
wants and just tell us? That's how badly people
didn't want to be before him because he sees
right through you. And I know people may think,
oh, I want to be before God. It can be all fun
and games. It wasn't. It was very, very difficult
to face the truth about yourself, because that's
what he's going to show you. He's a light that
you've never known, and he penetrates right through
you. There is no hiding. There's no hiding when
you're in front of him. And so people panic,
just like my brother panicked. After he calmed
down, we're both sitting there. Didn't want to
say anything about what I saw or hearing I wanted
my brother to say as a confirmation because I'm
such a doubter I'm like is this even happening,
but I'm just letting it all happen. I told my
brother I'm like, so do you hear it and my brother
said oh, yeah, I hear it and I said what does
it sound like and he started trying to mimic
the sound is like Like he was trying to really
mimic the sound and he's pretty good at that
And I was like, yeah, that's right. And he would
follow the rhythm of the sound. So as he's mimicking
it, he's following the rhythm because the sound
is with us at this point. God is with us. So
he's mimicking it. And I'm like, OK, I know he's
hearing it and I'm hearing it too. And then he's
given us visions. Both of us were sitting right
there. And then all of a sudden I can see things.
I'm looking at my brother like, do you see what
I'm seeing? Because I don't want to say it. I
want you to say to confirm what I'm seeing. And
my brother's like, yeah, I see mountains. And
this is another part where God spoke again. There
was three mountains. And in those mountains,
you could see the face of like, it looked like
old wise men with white beards. The snow was
the white beards. It was really kind of odd.
And God spoke and he said, this is where I reside.
And I thought it was really weird because I logically,
I'm like, you reside at the mountains? I don't
get it. Like, if I were to climb a mountain,
I don't think you'd be there. I was very confused.
I'm just trying to say what I witnessed. And
so he said, this is where I reside. and that's
what he said and he showed us these mountains
and I'm just asking my brother if he's seen the
same thing and he said yeah like we're all this
whole thing is happening to the both of us at
this point because somehow we're connected and
then after all that we just sat there with him
like again you're just being with him and oh
I remember this was kind of funny actually my
brother's like listening to the Almighty and
he's looking around and he kind of looks at me
and he's like brother where is it coming from?
He said, I can't tell where it's coming from.
It's coming from everything. It's like omnipotent.
It's coming from every single, from every little
bug to a big tree. And he's looking around and
he's like, I don't get it. And he looks at me
and he goes, I don't get it. Where is this sound
coming from? And then, again, God takes over
my body because he keeps doing these things.
And I just look at my brother and I lean my head
back and I open my mouth. Really big? the sound
just gets really loud and my brother's looking
at me and he's like oh my god it's coming from
inside of you it was as if when you connect to
him within it connects you to everything that's
alive everything that's of him once you find
them inside you find them outside you don't feel
empty anymore you feel yeah there's no more emptiness
It was just weird. And so this happened. We just
spent time with him for quite a while. And then
eventually my brother, so with his voice, with
the sound of God, comes like a consciousness.
It's very strange. It's hard to describe. But
again, it's like a river. It's like a wind. It's
like I can't describe because he just comes and
goes and does whatever he wants. You know, it's
just like hard to describe how this all happens.
And then my brother was like, I don't know why,
but I feel like I can fly. I feel like I can
ascend with the sound. The sound is doing something
to us. I could feel it too. He's like, let's
fly. So we sit down back to back on the rock
and kind of go into a meditative state. We just
close our eyes and we just sat there. But my
brother's mind was so busy. I could feel his
mind so busy and it was keeping us from being
able to ascend. No peace. And so he's doing this
and he must have tried for about maybe again
another 20 -30 minutes and he finally stopped
and he's like, dude, I just can't. He goes, I
can't seem to take off and yet I feel like I
can with his voice and his presence. It almost
draws you to him. And so my brother finally gave
up. We sat there longer, just enjoyed just being
there with him in absolute awe. And then after
that we eventually went and... We did in the
plane in the river I actually have ironically
he has a little bit of video footage of that
day of us being at the river and swimming and
I remember really getting connected to nature
in a way that I never had and I was swimming
with the fish moving just like the fish are and
The fish was a huge part of it. There's something
about the way that they moved They moved like
in a frequency like a rhythm and I was just enjoying
it and I got in that water and did what I kind
of felt like was my own little baptism there
you know right in the river that day and I've
never been the same since and he has been with
me ever since then he has shown me a lot of things
it's been a really rough road but because I eventually
was really odd I had already had a lot of medical
issues even on that day and they got a lot worse
in time and he just gives me massive amounts
of information All the time and I don't even
write them down. They're all in my heart I don't
even know people who know me very few who i've
shared this with Including my brother says things
like I don't know how you remember any of this
stuff And I said, well, I don't really have it
memorized. I I know it by heart part of you So
that day on the river you got that confirmation
that I alluded to earlier Through your brother
was the confirmation best day ever Yeah I had
about 50 questions I wanted to get to, and I
know you don't have time. I'd love to circle
back sometime and do them. Yeah, we can do a
part two, and there's only one last thing I'll
say about this before we go. When I was before
His presence, I literally felt all the doubt
that was in my body, which I didn't even know
I had, even down to the depth of my bones, all
my doubt went away. I've never doubted anymore.
I know he's real. I've seen him. I've met him.
I know he's real. I know he's waiting for us.
I know that there's a there's a path. I know
there's a plan and he's definitely real. It's
just a matter of people's beliefs and everybody
has their beliefs, you know, whether it's religious
beliefs, political beliefs, everybody has their
beliefs, but I do think he's very different than
the majority of what people even believe. There
was so much to Greg's NDE that I barely had time
to ask any questions. So we're bringing him back
for a part two where we dive even deeper into
his experience through a question and answer
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