WEBVTT 00:00:03.759 --> 00:00:06.660 From the time that they pronounced me that was 00:00:06.660 --> 00:00:10.240 a good 45 minutes They cut my clothes and then 00:00:10.240 --> 00:00:13.580 they paddled my heart my heart stopped and I 00:00:13.580 --> 00:00:17.100 could see people screaming and crying But I didn't 00:00:17.100 --> 00:00:19.660 realize that was actually my physical body because 00:00:19.660 --> 00:00:22.879 I was somewhere else The only thing that I could 00:00:22.879 --> 00:00:26.780 feel if you can imagine Absolute love and peace 00:00:26.780 --> 00:00:29.800 there wasn't anything else to be felt. I was 00:00:29.800 --> 00:00:32.840 greeted by people I had known in the past I'm 00:00:32.840 --> 00:00:36.219 back home again. Incredibly safe and felt at 00:00:36.219 --> 00:00:40.979 home. Welcome, welcome, everybody. And I'd like 00:00:40.979 --> 00:00:43.820 to welcome to our show today, Laura Ketledge. 00:00:44.320 --> 00:00:48.060 Thank you for joining us. And your name is beautiful. 00:00:48.619 --> 00:00:50.719 You and I have just been trying to get it pronounced 00:00:50.719 --> 00:00:55.000 correctly. I hope I was close. You're perfect. 00:00:55.359 --> 00:00:58.280 Perfect. And thank you for having me today. Well, 00:00:58.280 --> 00:01:00.920 it's great to have you and your story has been 00:01:00.920 --> 00:01:03.520 out there for a while and I can't believe we're 00:01:03.520 --> 00:01:07.500 finally meeting. It's long overdue and people 00:01:07.500 --> 00:01:11.140 are going to absolutely love your story and love 00:01:11.140 --> 00:01:15.040 you. Before we jump right into it, give us just 00:01:15.040 --> 00:01:18.379 a minute. Who's Laura and tell us about you. 00:01:19.019 --> 00:01:21.959 Well, I'm not Miss Excitement. I'm just a regular 00:01:21.959 --> 00:01:25.200 person. I come from a middle class, educated 00:01:25.200 --> 00:01:28.579 family. I was born in New York. I grew up in 00:01:28.579 --> 00:01:32.560 the South. I've traveled a lot. I've had a couple 00:01:32.560 --> 00:01:35.680 different types of jobs, and I'm at the ripe 00:01:35.680 --> 00:01:39.799 old age of 65 now. Join the club. I don't normally 00:01:39.799 --> 00:01:42.599 talk about it. Anyway, and you're from Arkansas. 00:01:43.280 --> 00:01:46.439 I just moved here. I wanted to retire to a lakeside 00:01:46.439 --> 00:01:49.579 community, so I did. Well, I was impressed when 00:01:49.579 --> 00:01:51.439 we were talking the other day and you said you'd 00:01:51.439 --> 00:01:54.780 just been swimming for two whole hours. It's 00:01:54.780 --> 00:01:57.420 like floating relaxing, gabbing with the girls 00:01:57.420 --> 00:01:59.700 and just having a good time with a little swimming 00:01:59.700 --> 00:02:03.700 actually. All right. I was picturing the triathlete 00:02:03.700 --> 00:02:07.439 here getting in five miles or something. I'm 00:02:07.439 --> 00:02:10.960 a certified scuba diver, but I've slowed down 00:02:10.960 --> 00:02:15.020 and I just swim for fun. That's fantastic. Now 00:02:15.020 --> 00:02:17.960 for our listeners that are into horseback riding, 00:02:18.439 --> 00:02:20.000 I don't know if you're going to love this story 00:02:20.000 --> 00:02:23.280 or get a little scared from this story, but Go 00:02:23.280 --> 00:02:26.400 ahead and take us back. This was quite a few 00:02:26.400 --> 00:02:29.680 years ago. You had a horseback riding incident 00:02:29.680 --> 00:02:34.080 After we talked about that. I want to also just 00:02:34.080 --> 00:02:36.939 in case I forget please remind me We want to 00:02:36.939 --> 00:02:40.159 talk about why you didn't talk about it for such 00:02:40.159 --> 00:02:43.300 a long time But first let's talk about horseback 00:02:43.300 --> 00:02:45.360 riding Is this something you had been doing your 00:02:45.360 --> 00:02:47.979 whole life or was it your first time? From the 00:02:47.979 --> 00:02:50.819 time I was in the cradle. My mother told me that 00:02:50.819 --> 00:02:54.530 I lived breathed horses. We lived in the suburbs. 00:02:54.789 --> 00:02:57.990 None of my family had a horse, but I talked about 00:02:57.990 --> 00:03:01.129 horses constantly. I used to sleep with my toy 00:03:01.129 --> 00:03:05.750 horses at night. I just would gravitate towards 00:03:05.750 --> 00:03:09.069 horses. I think it was something inborn in me. 00:03:09.710 --> 00:03:12.270 How old were you when you first started horseback 00:03:12.270 --> 00:03:15.550 riding? My father took me for a few horseback 00:03:15.550 --> 00:03:18.490 riding out in the boondocks just a few times 00:03:18.490 --> 00:03:21.439 when I was 12 years old. But I'd like to tell 00:03:21.439 --> 00:03:23.580 you something, Eric, that happened to me before 00:03:23.580 --> 00:03:26.900 the big calamity. Just before my 13th birthday, 00:03:27.039 --> 00:03:30.000 I went out with some girlfriends and to a barn 00:03:30.000 --> 00:03:32.780 and rode a horse that just took off with me. 00:03:32.800 --> 00:03:35.900 It was really above a child's ability. And the 00:03:35.900 --> 00:03:40.180 horse went into a hand gallop. And I was just 00:03:40.180 --> 00:03:42.460 a little kid. I couldn't stop it. And the horse 00:03:42.460 --> 00:03:46.460 ended up hitting the road. And the road was like 00:03:46.460 --> 00:03:49.780 hitting a black ice. He spun up. fell on top 00:03:49.780 --> 00:03:52.520 of me and crushed me and broke my leg. And it 00:03:52.520 --> 00:03:56.639 was a pretty gruesome accident. But just as the 00:03:56.639 --> 00:04:00.460 horse was about to land on top of me, I had an 00:04:00.460 --> 00:04:04.419 out -of -body experience. And I was about 15 00:04:04.419 --> 00:04:08.360 feet behind the horse, watching like a spectator. 00:04:08.539 --> 00:04:11.620 It was very shocking, but it also felt natural. 00:04:11.919 --> 00:04:14.860 And then it was over, and then the horse crushed 00:04:14.860 --> 00:04:19.149 me. Now, I was pretty badly hurt. but I was able 00:04:19.149 --> 00:04:21.790 to get up and hop on one leg and call my parents 00:04:21.790 --> 00:04:23.910 and go to the hospital. You're going to think 00:04:23.910 --> 00:04:26.209 me a masochist, but I wanted to go horseback 00:04:26.209 --> 00:04:29.769 riding again and my parents did not like that. 00:04:30.129 --> 00:04:32.209 But I didn't have the big accident until I was 00:04:32.209 --> 00:04:37.129 19. No, I get it. I broke a leg skiing when I 00:04:37.129 --> 00:04:40.350 was 12 years old and all I wanted to do was go 00:04:40.350 --> 00:04:42.980 back skiing. It was a little bit terrifying the 00:04:42.980 --> 00:04:46.339 first time, but I'm glad that I got back on that 00:04:46.339 --> 00:04:49.740 horse. You literally got back on a horse. OK, 00:04:49.740 --> 00:04:52.459 so you healed up from that one and then take 00:04:52.459 --> 00:04:54.980 us along. What happened after that? Well, I went 00:04:54.980 --> 00:04:57.879 for some riding lessons as a teenager, but then, 00:04:57.879 --> 00:05:00.480 you know, being a kid took over. And then one 00:05:00.480 --> 00:05:03.620 day when I was 19, it was such a beautiful April 00:05:03.620 --> 00:05:06.459 day, I thought I'd go run a horse and ride for 00:05:06.459 --> 00:05:10.300 the afternoon. So I went to a stable I knew. 00:05:10.480 --> 00:05:14.259 very nice people, rented a horse above my abilities. 00:05:14.839 --> 00:05:16.620 You know, you think you're indestructible at 00:05:16.620 --> 00:05:20.720 19. Spent the afternoon riding and I hooked up 00:05:20.720 --> 00:05:23.120 with some other riders and we decided to race 00:05:23.120 --> 00:05:25.680 back to the barn. Not the smartest move I ever 00:05:25.680 --> 00:05:29.519 made. So the horse was galloping. I was staying 00:05:29.519 --> 00:05:33.579 on and all of a sudden he sort of stumbled. It 00:05:33.579 --> 00:05:35.920 must have been a gopher haul and I was going 00:05:35.920 --> 00:05:38.959 very fast and I knew I was going to get clobbered. 00:05:38.980 --> 00:05:42.370 I just knew it. I started going over to the right 00:05:42.370 --> 00:05:47.930 of the horse, my right, and I never hit the ground. 00:05:49.029 --> 00:05:52.870 I left my body to my own shock and dismay. I 00:05:52.870 --> 00:05:56.050 mean, it's pretty terrifying. The accident wasn't 00:05:56.050 --> 00:05:58.970 terrifying. Leaving the body was. And then I 00:05:58.970 --> 00:06:03.970 went down this dark pit or tunnel. One minute 00:06:03.970 --> 00:06:07.089 I'm on a horse. I'm 19 years old, living my life 00:06:07.089 --> 00:06:09.980 to the best. The next minute, I'm out of body, 00:06:10.819 --> 00:06:14.279 I'm going to this dark pit, and I clearly knew 00:06:14.279 --> 00:06:18.879 I was dead. There was no mistaking it. And physically, 00:06:18.959 --> 00:06:23.480 how hurt were you? Well, afterwards? Yeah. They 00:06:23.480 --> 00:06:26.139 had to resuscitate me and start my heart up again. 00:06:26.199 --> 00:06:28.779 I think that was pretty hurt. Okay, we'll come 00:06:28.779 --> 00:06:31.079 back to your recovery later. Go ahead and keep 00:06:31.079 --> 00:06:33.699 going the way you were with what happened. Well, 00:06:33.819 --> 00:06:37.500 Eric, you know... This was nineteen seventy five 00:06:37.500 --> 00:06:40.759 i mean i there's no internet. There's no talk 00:06:40.759 --> 00:06:42.879 about near -death experience and if you talk 00:06:42.879 --> 00:06:45.680 about anything psychic phenomena like leaving 00:06:45.680 --> 00:06:48.160 your body when you were twelve years old you 00:06:48.160 --> 00:06:50.639 were labeled all i could do. You were labeled 00:06:50.639 --> 00:06:53.000 and put in the same category people the chase 00:06:53.000 --> 00:06:55.339 ufos the dog down the street is sending you a 00:06:55.339 --> 00:06:59.459 message. You know and you believe in ghost you 00:06:59.459 --> 00:07:02.240 know you were put in the crazy box so i didn't 00:07:02.240 --> 00:07:05.750 tell anybody. about leaving my body when I was 00:07:05.750 --> 00:07:09.810 12. I recognized death. I recognized this was 00:07:09.810 --> 00:07:12.910 it. And I didn't have any control. I felt like 00:07:12.910 --> 00:07:16.709 me. I felt like there were hands, legs, a head. 00:07:17.149 --> 00:07:22.089 I wasn't in pain. I don't believe I recognized 00:07:22.089 --> 00:07:25.870 breathing at all, but I was still me. And I was 00:07:25.870 --> 00:07:30.110 going down this tunnel. And it was like the sides 00:07:30.110 --> 00:07:33.490 were very soft and dense at the same time, if 00:07:33.490 --> 00:07:37.449 that makes any sense. And it wasn't a claustrophobic 00:07:37.449 --> 00:07:41.610 feeling. It was just, zoom, you're going fast. 00:07:42.029 --> 00:07:46.050 And I was able to connect with my grandfather. 00:07:46.110 --> 00:07:48.750 Now, I have to kind of put my emotions in a box 00:07:48.750 --> 00:07:51.449 when I tell this story because I get extremely 00:07:51.449 --> 00:07:54.629 emotional when I talk about him. He died when 00:07:54.629 --> 00:07:58.170 I was 12. I loved and adored him. and he was 00:07:58.170 --> 00:08:01.769 right there waiting for me. So knowing that my 00:08:01.769 --> 00:08:06.769 grandfather was there, all of the feelings of 00:08:06.769 --> 00:08:10.589 the accident leaving my body just seemed to evaporate 00:08:10.589 --> 00:08:13.930 and I was living or conscious of the moment, 00:08:13.930 --> 00:08:17.110 you know, that my grandfather was there. Oh, 00:08:17.189 --> 00:08:21.550 it was a relief to see him. He still had these 00:08:21.550 --> 00:08:24.430 blue, he had these Paul Newman blue eyes. He 00:08:24.430 --> 00:08:29.189 was, you know, tall Irish guy. so wonderful. 00:08:30.009 --> 00:08:32.429 Just imagine meeting the person you love most 00:08:32.429 --> 00:08:34.690 on earth on the other side, and that's where 00:08:34.690 --> 00:08:38.470 I was. When you're an adult, you don't think 00:08:38.470 --> 00:08:40.730 that you can feel like a 12 -year -old again, 00:08:40.730 --> 00:08:43.750 and I felt like a little kid. I was just so relieved 00:08:43.750 --> 00:08:48.070 to see him. It's hard to talk about. The best 00:08:48.070 --> 00:08:52.029 part was he didn't have the cancer anymore. He 00:08:52.029 --> 00:08:56.159 wasn't in pain. He was still older, so he looked 00:08:56.159 --> 00:08:58.980 the best version I knew of him like it when I 00:08:58.980 --> 00:09:01.519 was like five or six. He didn't look like a young 00:09:01.519 --> 00:09:05.700 man. He was very recognizable, to say the least. 00:09:05.759 --> 00:09:08.000 And I was kind of thinking to myself, well, he 00:09:08.000 --> 00:09:11.440 doesn't have his glasses on, you know? Like, 00:09:11.580 --> 00:09:14.799 no, you think about weird stuff to, you know, 00:09:14.820 --> 00:09:17.000 what are you supposed to think? Is there a progression 00:09:17.000 --> 00:09:20.240 in your questions? So I felt like I asked him 00:09:20.240 --> 00:09:22.740 a zillion questions at once and didn't get... 00:09:22.809 --> 00:09:27.049 the answers I wanted. But you're not talking 00:09:27.049 --> 00:09:29.490 with your mouth, you're talking with your thoughts, 00:09:29.490 --> 00:09:33.830 and it's more elegant, and it's more clear, and 00:09:33.830 --> 00:09:36.429 it's very honest. I don't think you can lie at 00:09:36.429 --> 00:09:38.669 this point, you just kind of get what you give. 00:09:39.570 --> 00:09:44.590 But my grandfather was so glad to see me, was 00:09:44.590 --> 00:09:48.210 so helpful, he still loved me, and just to know 00:09:48.210 --> 00:09:53.899 that he still exists. It's wonderful. Right after 00:09:53.899 --> 00:09:56.440 that is when my little adventure started. Would 00:09:56.440 --> 00:09:59.159 you like me to tell you about it? Yeah, you know 00:09:59.159 --> 00:10:01.600 what? Let me ask you a couple questions if this 00:10:01.600 --> 00:10:04.159 is a good place to interject before we move on. 00:10:04.659 --> 00:10:07.960 Do you feel like you went someplace else, like 00:10:07.960 --> 00:10:12.340 went to heaven or this was just here in some 00:10:12.340 --> 00:10:14.840 kind of a different plane? Can you explain that? 00:10:15.279 --> 00:10:17.240 Well, I thought about that a lot. At the time 00:10:17.240 --> 00:10:20.159 I wasn't thinking, you know, anything intellectual. 00:10:20.440 --> 00:10:23.019 I was 19. Let's say I wasn't the brightest kid. 00:10:23.860 --> 00:10:27.080 Now, looking back, I know exactly where I went. 00:10:27.159 --> 00:10:29.860 I know exactly how this works, sort of like the 00:10:29.860 --> 00:10:34.279 superhighway. Think of physical reality, Earth, 00:10:34.320 --> 00:10:36.460 the one that we live in. It's a big freaking 00:10:36.460 --> 00:10:38.799 universe, and you know, with zillions of planets 00:10:38.799 --> 00:10:42.940 and suns. It's on the epidermis of reality. So 00:10:42.940 --> 00:10:48.129 you're the farthest most. Inside, After you die, 00:10:48.350 --> 00:10:51.769 your body leaves, how do I put this? And it's 00:10:51.769 --> 00:10:54.970 like different dimensions or different planes 00:10:54.970 --> 00:10:58.129 with a different vibrational level, each plane. 00:10:58.529 --> 00:11:02.169 It's more Earth -like the closer to Earth you 00:11:02.169 --> 00:11:05.889 are as it goes in. It's more thought reactive, 00:11:06.809 --> 00:11:09.929 eventually leading to source. That's what I found. 00:11:10.649 --> 00:11:14.250 What I call it heaven, I would call it more the 00:11:14.250 --> 00:11:19.200 continuation of existence. It's in the same spot 00:11:19.200 --> 00:11:23.580 or it takes the same space. As what we live in 00:11:23.580 --> 00:11:26.779 today so it's like going in work i'm not a great 00:11:26.779 --> 00:11:29.759 explainer of this eric it's more of a concept. 00:11:30.299 --> 00:11:32.740 It's too bad that we don't have that communication 00:11:32.740 --> 00:11:35.940 that you were just talking about with your grandfather 00:11:35.940 --> 00:11:38.259 because i have a feeling if the meaning could 00:11:38.259 --> 00:11:43.340 just. go from you to me without the words, we'd 00:11:43.340 --> 00:11:45.559 probably get it a lot better, wouldn't we? Tell 00:11:45.559 --> 00:11:47.759 me more about how the communication worked. You 00:11:47.759 --> 00:11:50.539 said it wasn't with words. Okay, you know how, 00:11:50.639 --> 00:11:53.019 like, I'm talking to you, I'm going to ask you 00:11:53.019 --> 00:11:57.159 a question. Well, when you're out of body or 00:11:57.159 --> 00:12:00.679 dead, you're thinking in the same logical, I 00:12:00.679 --> 00:12:02.980 thought in English, I thought in words, I thought 00:12:02.980 --> 00:12:06.409 about my own voice projection. But obviously, 00:12:06.570 --> 00:12:08.929 I don't have lungs and the larynx or anything. 00:12:09.610 --> 00:12:13.250 But you project the same way automatically. It's 00:12:13.250 --> 00:12:16.730 not a lot of thinking that has to be done. And 00:12:16.730 --> 00:12:19.289 it feels very natural. And I'd say it was quite 00:12:19.289 --> 00:12:23.330 elegant. And you use the term honest. You know, 00:12:23.509 --> 00:12:26.230 OK, like I'm talking to you. And Eric, I could 00:12:26.230 --> 00:12:29.529 tell you that I'm a 24 -year -old cheerleader 00:12:29.529 --> 00:12:35.019 and movie star. Now, I can say those words, but 00:12:35.019 --> 00:12:38.200 you know it's a lie, but I can still say those 00:12:38.200 --> 00:12:41.519 words. I don't think it's the same when you're 00:12:41.519 --> 00:12:44.620 out of body. I think there's no veil where you 00:12:44.620 --> 00:12:49.480 can lie or deceive, because you talk with more 00:12:49.480 --> 00:12:53.559 than your words. The communication is more of 00:12:53.559 --> 00:12:57.220 your spiritual projection. Does that make sense? 00:12:58.000 --> 00:13:02.309 Yeah, it does. It just... I don't know pure communication 00:13:02.309 --> 00:13:06.009 would have to be completely honest and without 00:13:06.009 --> 00:13:11.009 subtext and without. All kinds of baggage that 00:13:11.009 --> 00:13:15.389 it often has here you know we may talk to a loved 00:13:15.389 --> 00:13:19.309 one that we see every day and we say one thing 00:13:19.309 --> 00:13:22.070 but because of the baggage of yesterday and the 00:13:22.070 --> 00:13:25.200 day before that. it gets twisted into a little 00:13:25.200 --> 00:13:28.100 bit something else and having all that gone so 00:13:28.100 --> 00:13:30.399 that we could just have pure communication sounds 00:13:30.399 --> 00:13:34.799 wonderful. And at the time, if I was out of body 00:13:34.799 --> 00:13:39.440 right this minute, I wouldn't even have the wherewithal 00:13:39.440 --> 00:13:41.899 to think of lying. That doesn't exist either. 00:13:42.379 --> 00:13:44.460 So, you know, if you're a good person and you're 00:13:44.460 --> 00:13:46.759 clear and you're fair, you're going to take that 00:13:46.759 --> 00:13:49.580 with you. When you're not such a good person, 00:13:49.580 --> 00:13:52.200 I think it'll be a little more difficult. OK. 00:13:52.669 --> 00:13:55.149 Thank you for letting me ask those questions. 00:13:55.250 --> 00:13:57.690 Go ahead and keep going with what happened next 00:13:57.690 --> 00:14:01.129 now in your experience. Well, I was being guided 00:14:01.129 --> 00:14:03.950 at this point. I lost track of my grandfather. 00:14:04.529 --> 00:14:06.950 I don't know what was he behind me. I don't know, 00:14:06.970 --> 00:14:09.470 but I was being guided, but I couldn't see the 00:14:09.470 --> 00:14:13.809 guy then like like bubbles or balls. You're seeing 00:14:13.809 --> 00:14:18.629 segments of your life. OK, I was 19. I could. 00:14:18.769 --> 00:14:22.519 I felt it as a young person. I would. feel very 00:14:22.519 --> 00:14:25.980 differently if I was going through it now. So 00:14:25.980 --> 00:14:29.100 emotionally, I was still a teenager and I saw 00:14:29.100 --> 00:14:32.539 the results of my actions. You know, some not 00:14:32.539 --> 00:14:36.080 quite great things I've done as a kid, inconsiderate 00:14:36.080 --> 00:14:38.899 kind of rude things. I felt like, felt myself 00:14:38.899 --> 00:14:42.399 doing it like I was in it, but I also felt the 00:14:42.399 --> 00:14:45.279 other person, the impact to the other person. 00:14:46.059 --> 00:14:48.360 So when I wasn't nice to this little girl at 00:14:48.360 --> 00:14:51.820 six, I felt her disappointment in me. These weren't 00:14:51.820 --> 00:14:54.240 big things, you know, I'm not, I didn't run over 00:14:54.240 --> 00:14:57.100 a group of nuns drunk. I mean, these were just 00:14:57.100 --> 00:14:59.960 like little slights, little things that, you 00:14:59.960 --> 00:15:01.919 know, you're looking back, oh, I could have done 00:15:01.919 --> 00:15:04.799 better. And then a few things that weren't so 00:15:04.799 --> 00:15:08.360 great. No big crimes or misdemeanors, just, you 00:15:08.360 --> 00:15:11.960 know, youthful stupidity. I also saw some things 00:15:11.960 --> 00:15:15.600 I was shown, really good things I did that I 00:15:15.600 --> 00:15:18.740 didn't think were very big, but they're very 00:15:18.740 --> 00:15:21.690 big over there. I wasn't a saint or a sinner. 00:15:21.830 --> 00:15:24.629 I was just a normal person getting kind of shown 00:15:24.629 --> 00:15:28.789 her life. I didn't like it because I wanted to 00:15:28.789 --> 00:15:32.649 do better. It wasn't pleasant. It wasn't a punishment, 00:15:33.269 --> 00:15:38.970 but it was more an accountability, I guess. But 00:15:38.970 --> 00:15:41.149 it wasn't there to punish me. It was to show 00:15:41.149 --> 00:15:44.929 me things. And you know what I really got out 00:15:44.929 --> 00:15:48.190 of that? Would you like to know? Yeah, absolutely. 00:15:48.990 --> 00:15:51.570 Okay. Sort of the lesson I was shown, you know, 00:15:51.570 --> 00:15:55.090 you can go through life being an OK person. You 00:15:55.090 --> 00:15:56.970 don't have to go out and try to save the world. 00:15:57.730 --> 00:16:01.350 What's important is not to damage another person. 00:16:01.649 --> 00:16:05.370 Do not interfere in another person's destiny. 00:16:06.289 --> 00:16:09.570 Don't be the roadblock or the hurdle that they 00:16:09.570 --> 00:16:12.029 have to jump to get to where they need to be. 00:16:12.289 --> 00:16:15.529 You just don't hurt somebody and not the physical 00:16:15.529 --> 00:16:18.779 sense is. Let's say your husband and you bake 00:16:18.779 --> 00:16:22.080 be rate your wife for twenty years well that 00:16:22.080 --> 00:16:24.860 changes the person she could have been and that 00:16:24.860 --> 00:16:29.059 changes her destiny. And that's a really big 00:16:29.059 --> 00:16:31.759 big no no that's a really big terrible thing 00:16:31.759 --> 00:16:35.460 because it all will come back to you. You go 00:16:35.460 --> 00:16:37.899 out and you damage people not said this another 00:16:37.899 --> 00:16:41.519 shows let's say you work for company. And it 00:16:41.519 --> 00:16:45.200 makes a medical device or a medication or something. 00:16:45.529 --> 00:16:48.409 that you know a certain percentage of the population 00:16:48.409 --> 00:16:52.889 is going to get sick from, or worse, die. In 00:16:52.889 --> 00:16:56.090 a life review, the fact that you didn't step 00:16:56.090 --> 00:16:58.210 up, that you were part of the problem, not part 00:16:58.210 --> 00:17:01.450 of the cause, you're going to feel, let's say, 00:17:01.509 --> 00:17:03.950 the kid that gets sick, all the parents anguish. 00:17:03.950 --> 00:17:06.410 You're going to get the whole bill at the end 00:17:06.410 --> 00:17:10.470 when you have a life review, not as a punishment, 00:17:10.730 --> 00:17:15.750 but as an accountability. So, you know, I really 00:17:15.750 --> 00:17:18.230 hate to be the president that starts a war and 00:17:18.230 --> 00:17:21.609 like, you know, 50 ,000 people get killed and 00:17:21.609 --> 00:17:24.849 then you're going to go through 50 ,000 grieving 00:17:24.849 --> 00:17:28.849 families. I mean, it's mind boggling. But I do 00:17:28.849 --> 00:17:32.150 believe that I had a very limited experience 00:17:32.150 --> 00:17:35.670 with showing my life review. These are the impressions 00:17:35.670 --> 00:17:37.930 that I take. Is it a reality that you're going 00:17:37.930 --> 00:17:40.829 to be like, go through that? I kind of think 00:17:40.829 --> 00:17:44.849 so. I kind of think so. Now a lot of people describe 00:17:44.849 --> 00:17:47.930 their life review as almost like giant movie 00:17:47.930 --> 00:17:52.329 screens or TV screens. How did you actually see 00:17:52.329 --> 00:17:54.849 or experience these things that you had happened, 00:17:54.910 --> 00:17:58.329 had been through? I was in this big, I don't 00:17:58.329 --> 00:18:02.130 know, cathedral hall, chamber, I don't know. 00:18:02.549 --> 00:18:05.990 And it came down like segments of my life and 00:18:05.990 --> 00:18:09.750 almost like a bubble. And then you can step through 00:18:09.750 --> 00:18:14.089 or get through and see it. You see it in tandem 00:18:14.089 --> 00:18:16.450 in two points of view, your own point of view 00:18:16.450 --> 00:18:18.849 at the time and the other person that you're 00:18:18.849 --> 00:18:23.490 affecting. I did see one good, you know, if you're 00:18:23.490 --> 00:18:27.069 good to animals, boy, the love they give back 00:18:27.069 --> 00:18:29.990 is unbelievable when you go through this. So 00:18:29.990 --> 00:18:33.069 I'm a big animal person. I always have rescued 00:18:33.069 --> 00:18:35.650 a kitten one time, got out in traffic, which 00:18:35.650 --> 00:18:38.910 was stupid. This little white fluffy kitten I 00:18:38.910 --> 00:18:41.650 rescued from getting, you know, run over was 00:18:41.650 --> 00:18:44.829 on the medium strip in Virginia That was a big 00:18:44.829 --> 00:18:48.309 thing. I have forgot about it, but it was a big 00:18:48.309 --> 00:18:51.170 thing over there But it sounds like you're not 00:18:51.170 --> 00:18:53.990 just seeing your point of view and the other 00:18:53.990 --> 00:18:56.890 person's but you're feeling it Does that sound 00:18:56.890 --> 00:18:59.809 right? Oh, yeah. I'm sorry. I forgot that part 00:18:59.809 --> 00:19:03.569 Yeah, you're getting the impact especially the 00:19:03.569 --> 00:19:06.329 the hurt you cause somebody or the disappointment. 00:19:07.009 --> 00:19:09.430 Yeah. All right. What happened next after the 00:19:09.430 --> 00:19:12.490 life review? Well, I wasn't real happy about 00:19:12.490 --> 00:19:14.849 it. Of course, I'm looking at it as out of a 00:19:14.849 --> 00:19:17.509 teenager's, you know, point of view. Again, I 00:19:17.509 --> 00:19:21.630 was being led. I don't know how or where or there 00:19:21.630 --> 00:19:23.829 were other there was I was I had other people 00:19:23.829 --> 00:19:27.750 with me or other souls and I was being led. And 00:19:27.750 --> 00:19:31.430 this one, I really kind of freaked me out. I 00:19:31.430 --> 00:19:34.640 don't like heights. You know, it took me to 21 00:19:34.640 --> 00:19:37.799 to get the courage up to fly. I've traveled again. 00:19:37.859 --> 00:19:40.839 I don't know how I've traveled. I'm just zooming. 00:19:41.740 --> 00:19:43.900 I wasn't at the same place where my grandfather 00:19:43.900 --> 00:19:50.059 or my life review was. This place was big. And 00:19:50.059 --> 00:19:54.180 off in the side, I thought I saw the earth. And 00:19:54.180 --> 00:19:59.940 I thought, wow, I don't like heights. And I'm 00:19:59.940 --> 00:20:03.549 not freaking out. I was surprised. Was it the 00:20:03.549 --> 00:20:07.009 earth? I don't know. But what I was shown this 00:20:07.009 --> 00:20:10.869 hall and there was like row here and a row here. 00:20:11.309 --> 00:20:13.970 These were, I was told, somebody was telling 00:20:13.970 --> 00:20:18.130 me, we're all male and we're all female, neatly 00:20:18.130 --> 00:20:21.869 lined up. And I'm going through like a rolodex 00:20:21.869 --> 00:20:24.849 of questions in my mind, like, why am I here? 00:20:25.430 --> 00:20:28.490 What are you showing me? What's going on? And 00:20:28.490 --> 00:20:32.720 didn't like it. These are your past lives. male 00:20:32.720 --> 00:20:35.680 and female well i'm a girly girl so i really 00:20:35.680 --> 00:20:39.200 didn't like the idea of being a guy. And there 00:20:39.200 --> 00:20:42.299 was something about a detached feeling like i 00:20:42.299 --> 00:20:47.920 didn't feel connected to these. Bodies are whatever 00:20:47.920 --> 00:20:50.759 you would call it the shells and they were all 00:20:50.759 --> 00:20:53.900 white. And then nobody was communicating with 00:20:53.900 --> 00:20:56.380 me and i'm sitting there it's going there that 00:20:56.380 --> 00:20:58.740 this whole thing is going very fast i'm talking 00:20:58.740 --> 00:21:02.619 slow i went over. and I touched one and I got 00:21:02.619 --> 00:21:06.180 like a visual of an older man and I was like, 00:21:06.359 --> 00:21:09.980 oh, I go over to the females and this kind of 00:21:09.980 --> 00:21:13.839 like woman was there, Caucasian, and I'm not 00:21:13.839 --> 00:21:16.680 really grasping the whole thing. First of all, 00:21:16.980 --> 00:21:19.740 I didn't like the idea of reincarnation and I 00:21:19.740 --> 00:21:22.440 must have failed in life 101 because why did 00:21:22.440 --> 00:21:25.059 I have so many repeats? I don't know. It was 00:21:25.059 --> 00:21:27.660 not the best part of this whole thing. It was 00:21:27.660 --> 00:21:30.700 kind of the creepiest for me. Knowing that you've 00:21:30.700 --> 00:21:33.119 lived before I don't want to come back and do 00:21:33.119 --> 00:21:35.000 it again, but I'm sure everybody thinks that 00:21:35.000 --> 00:21:39.160 but for some reason I'm a repeat offender Do 00:21:39.160 --> 00:21:41.180 you feel like you were taught some of those things 00:21:41.180 --> 00:21:44.559 or you've interjected some of that? Since then 00:21:44.559 --> 00:21:48.019 like you saw what you felt were like past lives. 00:21:48.220 --> 00:21:51.500 I was told there were past lives All of these 00:21:51.500 --> 00:21:54.039 were male all of these were female all of these 00:21:54.039 --> 00:21:57.819 were yours But were you also told you had all 00:21:57.819 --> 00:22:00.279 of these because you didn't do well enough in 00:22:00.279 --> 00:22:02.119 them? No, no, no. That's just me guessing. I'm 00:22:02.119 --> 00:22:05.759 just being sarcastic. I have a very wicked, gallows 00:22:05.759 --> 00:22:09.980 humor. So it's still, it's a lot to explain because 00:22:09.980 --> 00:22:13.039 when I tell people that I'm thinking, oh my God, 00:22:13.119 --> 00:22:15.799 they're thinking she's a nut. But this is what 00:22:15.799 --> 00:22:19.480 happened. I didn't like it. I'm not one of those 00:22:19.480 --> 00:22:23.630 hold hands, sing kumbaya people at all. So I 00:22:23.630 --> 00:22:26.869 had a harder time with it, but I was shown that 00:22:26.869 --> 00:22:29.829 for a reason, and I'm interjecting the fact, 00:22:29.910 --> 00:22:32.150 oh my God, I can't believe I did this so many 00:22:32.150 --> 00:22:35.509 times. I don't know. So do you think you're done 00:22:35.509 --> 00:22:38.569 now? You know, one would like to think, okay, 00:22:38.910 --> 00:22:42.789 the thing that I was explained to me in this 00:22:42.789 --> 00:22:47.509 life as Lura Catholic, I became aware. That's 00:22:47.509 --> 00:22:50.789 my biggest accomplishment within myself. In this 00:22:50.789 --> 00:22:54.500 life, I became aware. that there is another side, 00:22:54.759 --> 00:22:57.160 that there is continuation of life after death, 00:22:57.519 --> 00:23:00.319 I became aware. That's about it. Do people ever 00:23:00.319 --> 00:23:02.500 give you a hard time because a lot of people 00:23:02.500 --> 00:23:05.720 don't believe in reincarnation? Oh, yeah, like, 00:23:05.880 --> 00:23:08.960 yeah, fu, fu, oh. When I did, sometimes when 00:23:08.960 --> 00:23:11.480 I did my first shows, you know, like my mom said, 00:23:11.680 --> 00:23:14.660 just don't go into the reincarnation. Laura, 00:23:14.740 --> 00:23:17.000 don't go down that road because you're going 00:23:17.000 --> 00:23:19.279 to be labeled a whackadee. So I left it out of 00:23:19.279 --> 00:23:21.640 the... Interviews I didn't have the courage to 00:23:21.640 --> 00:23:24.160 talk about it I was really cool about talking 00:23:24.160 --> 00:23:26.400 about near -death experience about seeing my 00:23:26.400 --> 00:23:30.440 grandfather even making it to source But I was 00:23:30.440 --> 00:23:33.700 not cool about talking about reincarnation, but 00:23:33.700 --> 00:23:38.539 I'm 65 now how many years do I have left and 00:23:38.539 --> 00:23:42.200 I haven't met anybody out there that if their 00:23:42.200 --> 00:23:45.460 opinion is lower Because I've said this, you 00:23:45.460 --> 00:23:47.519 know, they think bad of me. I don't care at this 00:23:47.519 --> 00:23:50.789 point good for you It's better to tell my truth. 00:23:51.329 --> 00:23:52.990 We'll all find out. Like I have a very close 00:23:52.990 --> 00:23:55.349 friend who doesn't believe any of this is possible, 00:23:55.369 --> 00:23:57.869 but she knows I'm an honest person. And I said, 00:23:58.029 --> 00:24:00.089 okay, 100 years from now, we're both dead, right? 00:24:00.289 --> 00:24:01.990 We're going to be both dead. And she said, yeah. 00:24:02.390 --> 00:24:04.789 And I'm coming up to you and telling you the 00:24:04.789 --> 00:24:07.630 biggest I told you so of the century. And we 00:24:07.630 --> 00:24:11.769 both laughed. I used to say that to my dad when 00:24:11.769 --> 00:24:14.509 he was alive. All right. So did anything happen 00:24:14.509 --> 00:24:18.680 after this part? Yeah, we're getting to the good 00:24:18.680 --> 00:24:23.039 stuff. So again, I'm pushed or guided, and I 00:24:23.039 --> 00:24:25.259 didn't really have any control of where I was 00:24:25.259 --> 00:24:27.619 going. So I want to be really clear on that, 00:24:27.740 --> 00:24:32.559 Eric. I was, you know, a passenger and I made 00:24:32.559 --> 00:24:37.380 it to another dimension or another reality. And 00:24:37.380 --> 00:24:40.759 this, I believe, is a consensus reality that 00:24:40.759 --> 00:24:44.539 souls together create places like Earth. in order 00:24:44.539 --> 00:24:47.359 to maybe recover after the trauma of death and 00:24:47.359 --> 00:24:50.880 to gather. That's just a guess on my part. Anyways, 00:24:50.900 --> 00:24:53.759 I got there and I grew up by the beach and it 00:24:53.759 --> 00:24:56.799 was on an ocean or a beach and I liked that. 00:24:57.220 --> 00:24:59.859 And there were these beautiful cliffs and there's 00:24:59.859 --> 00:25:02.619 colors, you know, that I haven't seen and can't 00:25:02.619 --> 00:25:04.960 express that are deeper and richer than here. 00:25:05.700 --> 00:25:09.220 And in the cliffs, there were some windows like 00:25:09.220 --> 00:25:12.160 here and here and here. And I thought there is 00:25:12.160 --> 00:25:14.789 a dwelling inside somebody's made a dwelling 00:25:14.789 --> 00:25:18.430 inside this, uh, this cliff, these rocks. I thought 00:25:18.430 --> 00:25:22.069 that was cool. The water, I don't remember feeling 00:25:22.069 --> 00:25:24.450 a temperature of the water, but I know it didn't 00:25:24.450 --> 00:25:28.109 feel, it wasn't a cold climate. So I'm looking 00:25:28.109 --> 00:25:30.430 around and then I'm kind of like thinking about 00:25:30.430 --> 00:25:33.009 religion a little bit. And I thought, what about 00:25:33.009 --> 00:25:35.950 the tree of life? You know, am I going to find 00:25:35.950 --> 00:25:38.089 the tree of life? Then all of a sudden there's 00:25:38.089 --> 00:25:41.670 this beautiful pine tree right in the surf. And 00:25:41.670 --> 00:25:44.630 the bark was, it's really cool. It was like a 00:25:44.630 --> 00:25:47.069 luminous white, but I could make out it was a 00:25:47.069 --> 00:25:50.150 pine tree I could make out the bark and parts 00:25:50.150 --> 00:25:52.529 of it were white and other was like of this green 00:25:52.529 --> 00:25:56.170 moss color and It was tall and spindly and had 00:25:56.170 --> 00:25:59.009 branches and I thought I thought to myself that's 00:25:59.009 --> 00:26:02.069 not the biblical tree of life But boy, that's 00:26:02.069 --> 00:26:05.910 a close second runner -up Glad I didn't think 00:26:05.910 --> 00:26:08.769 about anything bad like dinosaurs or sharks or 00:26:08.769 --> 00:26:10.670 something. Maybe they would have appeared but 00:26:10.670 --> 00:26:13.539 I realized as this was going on, that this was 00:26:13.539 --> 00:26:17.220 a thought responsive reality. And then as soon 00:26:17.220 --> 00:26:21.140 as that idea came to me, I didn't get to explore, 00:26:21.640 --> 00:26:25.660 I was off again. Okay, chapter three, we're off 00:26:25.660 --> 00:26:29.579 to this time. This is as far as I went. All right. 00:26:29.599 --> 00:26:32.799 And I also think this is as far as you can go. 00:26:33.460 --> 00:26:37.079 I lost sensation of having like limbs. Now I 00:26:37.079 --> 00:26:38.859 can think of it as a point of consciousness. 00:26:39.369 --> 00:26:42.990 All of a sudden I'm going into this place and 00:26:42.990 --> 00:26:47.390 I wanted for nothing. I wanted for nothing. All 00:26:47.390 --> 00:26:51.630 of the fears, all of the crap, all of the chaos 00:26:51.630 --> 00:26:56.089 of human life just seemed to evaporate. And I 00:26:56.089 --> 00:26:58.849 was floating in this sea of love and what it 00:26:58.849 --> 00:27:01.630 looked like and what my brain, what it was and 00:27:01.630 --> 00:27:04.349 what did my brain perceive could have been two 00:27:04.349 --> 00:27:07.930 different things. I don't know. I'm not an expert. 00:27:08.170 --> 00:27:12.089 But it was like you're bursting through beautiful 00:27:12.089 --> 00:27:15.930 clouds, something similar to clouds. There's 00:27:15.930 --> 00:27:20.990 all these other souls with you that are floating 00:27:20.990 --> 00:27:23.529 in the same sea of love, and there is a feeling 00:27:23.529 --> 00:27:28.089 of motion. There is a bright light, but there's 00:27:28.089 --> 00:27:30.970 no sun, no definite sun. There's a brightness, 00:27:31.029 --> 00:27:35.589 but it doesn't hurt your eyes. And you see really 00:27:35.589 --> 00:27:39.900 wide, your vision. Perceptions really why don't 00:27:39.900 --> 00:27:41.920 could i see behind me i don't know i don't think 00:27:41.920 --> 00:27:46.220 so. But there was like this music that came in 00:27:46.220 --> 00:27:49.579 or floated in random waves is this was happening 00:27:49.579 --> 00:27:52.799 so i'm floating in the sea of love. As soon as 00:27:52.799 --> 00:27:56.920 i feel like it peace. It was over. And i'm getting 00:27:56.920 --> 00:28:00.700 sucked back. And i didn't have any control now 00:28:00.700 --> 00:28:02.880 this is where i turn into kind of a bad sport 00:28:02.880 --> 00:28:06.460 about the whole thing. By the time I was sucked 00:28:06.460 --> 00:28:09.759 back and talking to my grandfather again, his 00:28:09.759 --> 00:28:14.160 image had faded. And we were in a layer outside 00:28:14.160 --> 00:28:17.740 of physical reality that had this mauve tone 00:28:17.740 --> 00:28:21.839 to it, a different vibrational level. And I'm 00:28:21.839 --> 00:28:25.799 not happy or grateful or being too nice about 00:28:25.799 --> 00:28:29.299 it. I just didn't want to come back. And I said 00:28:29.299 --> 00:28:34.299 to him, this has been so long. I was shell -shocked 00:28:34.299 --> 00:28:36.420 about what I, you know, I couldn't, my brain 00:28:36.420 --> 00:28:38.900 couldn't perceive all that had happened. It was 00:28:38.900 --> 00:28:41.660 overwhelming. And I didn't want to leave him. 00:28:41.700 --> 00:28:44.960 And as I'm getting sucked away and pulled away 00:28:44.960 --> 00:28:49.079 from him, I started feeling physical pain pretty 00:28:49.079 --> 00:28:54.920 intensely, very intensely. Then it's like a bottle 00:28:54.920 --> 00:28:56.740 being, you know, when, you know, when you pop 00:28:56.740 --> 00:28:58.700 the bottle on the glass of wine, you know, bottle 00:28:58.700 --> 00:29:01.759 of wine, you know, It's like getting recorked. 00:29:01.759 --> 00:29:05.619 That's all I can say. So I come back in my body 00:29:05.619 --> 00:29:09.740 with a thud. It wasn't pleasant. I was very sad. 00:29:10.160 --> 00:29:13.940 I wasn't feeling grateful. I had this anguish 00:29:13.940 --> 00:29:17.019 about wanting to be somewhere else. I'm not supposed 00:29:17.019 --> 00:29:20.259 to be here. And the people that were around me, 00:29:20.279 --> 00:29:22.400 I wish I'd been nicer to them. I wasn't mean 00:29:22.400 --> 00:29:25.059 to them, but I was thinking, why did you bring 00:29:25.059 --> 00:29:29.680 me back? I looked around this beautiful countryside 00:29:29.680 --> 00:29:32.740 in Virginia. And I knew a lot of time had passed 00:29:32.740 --> 00:29:36.079 because there was a car down there in the field 00:29:36.079 --> 00:29:39.440 and there was more people and everybody was hovering 00:29:39.440 --> 00:29:42.299 around me. And I just thought to myself, Eric, 00:29:42.680 --> 00:29:45.940 this is not reality. It was pretty heartbreaking 00:29:45.940 --> 00:29:48.859 for me. Do you know how much time had passed 00:29:48.859 --> 00:29:52.539 until they brought you back? I don't know. I 00:29:52.539 --> 00:29:54.940 didn't have smart questions. I know I was rushed 00:29:54.940 --> 00:29:56.519 to the hospital. They didn't call an ambulance. 00:29:56.539 --> 00:29:58.740 The two fellas that had i don't know if they 00:29:58.740 --> 00:30:00.720 were the ones that i don't know who resuscitated 00:30:00.720 --> 00:30:03.259 me or what happened but i was getting rushed 00:30:03.259 --> 00:30:06.319 to the hospital i passed out in the car didn't 00:30:06.319 --> 00:30:08.380 leave my body nothing like that i just passed 00:30:08.380 --> 00:30:12.059 out i got to the hospital did the x -rays my 00:30:12.059 --> 00:30:15.019 mother was there at fairfax hospital she happened 00:30:15.019 --> 00:30:18.099 to be a nurse everybody's telling me how lucky 00:30:18.099 --> 00:30:21.500 i am i still have a crooked finger from the finger 00:30:21.500 --> 00:30:23.960 i broke i still have the bump on my nose from 00:30:23.960 --> 00:30:27.170 smashing my nose i don't think there was are 00:30:27.170 --> 00:30:29.549 part of my body that wasn't scratched bruised 00:30:29.549 --> 00:30:33.869 or didn't hurt but i came out of it pretty good 00:30:33.869 --> 00:30:37.450 the doctor said. That that writing helmet the 00:30:37.450 --> 00:30:39.670 metal helmet i was wearing my head and strapped 00:30:39.670 --> 00:30:42.509 i had a riding helmet safe my life hitting the 00:30:42.509 --> 00:30:44.849 rocks i would have been. Really brain damage 00:30:44.849 --> 00:30:47.970 or something sounds appreciating that and then 00:30:47.970 --> 00:30:50.710 i had the bright idea in the are to tell the 00:30:50.710 --> 00:30:52.630 doctor and everybody in the room that i just 00:30:52.630 --> 00:30:56.220 see my grandfather what happened. My mother had 00:30:56.220 --> 00:30:59.160 just stepped away and she stepped back to hear 00:30:59.160 --> 00:31:02.440 me being chastised by the doctors and asking 00:31:02.440 --> 00:31:07.259 what drugs I had taken. I felt humiliated and 00:31:07.259 --> 00:31:09.980 the doctor was snickering at me and it just shut 00:31:09.980 --> 00:31:13.299 me down pretty bad. Well, let's give some perspective 00:31:13.299 --> 00:31:17.180 on the timing here. So I believe it was 1975 00:31:17.180 --> 00:31:20.119 when Dr. Raymond Moody coined the term near -death 00:31:20.119 --> 00:31:23.099 experience. and wrote his first book and so it 00:31:23.099 --> 00:31:26.000 was just starting to be known, then your experience 00:31:26.000 --> 00:31:29.960 was only four years later. This was not a regular 00:31:29.960 --> 00:31:32.559 thing. A lot of doctors know how to deal with 00:31:32.559 --> 00:31:36.079 this better now, I shall say. And a lot of nurses 00:31:36.079 --> 00:31:40.079 and INS even has training for medical people 00:31:40.079 --> 00:31:42.339 to help them know how to deal with this kind 00:31:42.339 --> 00:31:44.640 of thing. But you and many other people have 00:31:44.640 --> 00:31:47.849 told me they had experiences way back then. You 00:31:47.849 --> 00:31:50.289 don't talk about it, because people act like 00:31:50.289 --> 00:31:53.769 you are crazy, and frankly, you could have been 00:31:53.769 --> 00:31:56.349 locked up as crazy for talking too much about 00:31:56.349 --> 00:31:59.609 it. But the whole being accused of drugs, that's 00:31:59.609 --> 00:32:02.329 another thing that just is so insulting. I'm 00:32:02.329 --> 00:32:05.789 sorry that happened to you. Well, I felt shamed, 00:32:05.869 --> 00:32:08.069 and I always took a lot of pride when I was a 00:32:08.069 --> 00:32:10.190 teenager to stay away from drugs and alcohol 00:32:10.190 --> 00:32:15.480 cigarettes. And then I went home and for 12 hours 00:32:15.480 --> 00:32:18.160 I was pretty upset. I even tried to get out in 00:32:18.160 --> 00:32:20.099 the middle of the intersection of Maryfield, 00:32:20.099 --> 00:32:22.460 the car, when my mom was taking me home because 00:32:22.460 --> 00:32:24.940 I had to get back to my grandfather. So I mean 00:32:24.940 --> 00:32:27.900 I was pretty, I really got hurt. I went to a 00:32:27.900 --> 00:32:30.599 therapist, I guess it was like two weeks after 00:32:30.599 --> 00:32:34.160 the accident and I was doing better and I told 00:32:34.160 --> 00:32:37.539 her about it. She just said to me, Oh, it was 00:32:37.539 --> 00:32:40.559 a hallucination. It was a head injury. Are you 00:32:40.559 --> 00:32:43.359 having a pity party because you're a pretty girl 00:32:43.359 --> 00:32:46.920 that just broke her nose? And then I felt doubly 00:32:46.920 --> 00:32:50.220 shamed. And then I just absolutely shut down. 00:32:50.319 --> 00:32:53.019 I could not talk about it for years with anybody 00:32:53.019 --> 00:32:57.279 till I was 25. Was your grandmother still alive 00:32:57.279 --> 00:33:01.319 at the time? Yes. When I was 24, I got up the 00:33:01.319 --> 00:33:04.460 courage to tell her that, you know, I saw my 00:33:04.460 --> 00:33:07.920 grandfather and what he said. And there was something 00:33:07.920 --> 00:33:11.200 personal that I don't talk about that we discussed 00:33:11.200 --> 00:33:14.200 when, you know. So I talked to my grandmother 00:33:14.200 --> 00:33:17.380 about it and she believed me, we were very close. 00:33:17.700 --> 00:33:20.880 And then she said, well, you're just like my 00:33:20.880 --> 00:33:25.900 mother. And then I found out that my great grandmother, 00:33:26.839 --> 00:33:28.740 I heard all the family stories finally about 00:33:28.740 --> 00:33:31.549 her having the gift and all these things that 00:33:31.549 --> 00:33:33.990 had happened with my uncle and stuff. I just 00:33:33.990 --> 00:33:36.849 wish I'd known about the stuff earlier. Did this 00:33:36.849 --> 00:33:40.130 bring comfort to your grandmother? Oh, tremendous. 00:33:40.970 --> 00:33:43.369 Tremendous. And she was in the nursing home. 00:33:43.369 --> 00:33:47.109 I was 25, and when I was on vacation in Paris, 00:33:47.269 --> 00:33:50.069 my grandfather came to see me. Tell me about 00:33:50.069 --> 00:33:53.130 that. Well, I'd been out partying in Paris, having 00:33:53.130 --> 00:33:57.410 a real good time. I was 25, and... I was a great 00:33:57.410 --> 00:34:01.750 time in my life. I had an apartment in New York 00:34:01.750 --> 00:34:04.950 and I was pretty much a party girl and dating 00:34:04.950 --> 00:34:06.970 several different fellows, having a good time 00:34:06.970 --> 00:34:10.329 in life. I had this Paris apartment that this 00:34:10.329 --> 00:34:13.570 designer gave me while I was on vacation and 00:34:13.570 --> 00:34:18.010 just a friend of mine. My grandfather came to 00:34:18.010 --> 00:34:21.969 me one, I guess it was like really early in the 00:34:21.969 --> 00:34:23.929 morning or late at night, depends how you define 00:34:23.929 --> 00:34:28.840 it, came. right to me and took my hand, talked 00:34:28.840 --> 00:34:32.000 to me a little bit, and then it was over. And 00:34:32.000 --> 00:34:34.480 the funny thing is after seeing him, it was very 00:34:34.480 --> 00:34:37.900 emotional. And the concern he had for me, the 00:34:37.900 --> 00:34:40.280 concern he had for my grandmother, it wasn't 00:34:40.280 --> 00:34:42.820 that he came back for me. He came back to my 00:34:42.820 --> 00:34:45.340 grandmother and for me to talk to my grandmother 00:34:45.340 --> 00:34:47.559 because she was dying of a brain tumor and in 00:34:47.559 --> 00:34:50.760 a nursing home. And it was just horrible. Her 00:34:50.760 --> 00:34:53.940 death was horrible. And I... Soon as I got back 00:34:53.940 --> 00:34:55.960 to the States, I flew up to see her and talked 00:34:55.960 --> 00:34:58.659 to her about it and said, you know, he's waiting 00:34:58.659 --> 00:35:01.920 It's gonna be okay You know, this is what's gonna 00:35:01.920 --> 00:35:05.599 happen when you die and I gave her a lot of stuff 00:35:05.599 --> 00:35:08.159 and she I hope it gave her comfort it seemed 00:35:08.159 --> 00:35:11.139 to I'm sure it did. Did your grandfather tell 00:35:11.139 --> 00:35:14.320 you anything else? Personal stuff that it's not 00:35:14.320 --> 00:35:16.980 applicable to the interview, but he told me I 00:35:16.980 --> 00:35:19.780 was gonna have a hard life He wasn't kidding 00:35:20.460 --> 00:35:23.860 He's still close by when I was, would you like 00:35:23.860 --> 00:35:27.300 to hear how we saved my life when I was 34? Yeah. 00:35:27.619 --> 00:35:30.079 Yeah, let's hear it. Okay. I was sick. I have 00:35:30.079 --> 00:35:32.000 autoimmune disease. I've talked, I didn't talk 00:35:32.000 --> 00:35:34.679 about it for years, but I was pretty sick and 00:35:34.679 --> 00:35:39.079 the doctors had missed a few things and gone 00:35:39.079 --> 00:35:41.039 to the hospital, everything. You just, and they 00:35:41.039 --> 00:35:42.820 said that you have an inflamed liver capsule, 00:35:42.820 --> 00:35:44.219 but you're going to be fine. It's just going 00:35:44.219 --> 00:35:47.519 to hurt a lot. And I was glad about that. Well, 00:35:47.699 --> 00:35:50.239 my grandfather came in one morning just walked 00:35:50.239 --> 00:35:53.699 in like he was alive. And the different thing 00:35:53.699 --> 00:35:57.420 was, he was wearing an outfit I was familiar 00:35:57.420 --> 00:36:01.940 with. He had on a check like a plaid burgundy 00:36:01.940 --> 00:36:05.260 and gray flannel shirt. I recognized the pants. 00:36:05.340 --> 00:36:08.320 It was an outfit I'd seen him in before when 00:36:08.320 --> 00:36:11.579 he was alive. And he came down and he sat on 00:36:11.579 --> 00:36:14.920 my bed and he put his hand over my abdomen. And 00:36:14.920 --> 00:36:18.010 I'm speechless. And I'm as awake as talking to 00:36:18.010 --> 00:36:22.409 you right now." And he said, your spleen. And 00:36:22.409 --> 00:36:25.309 then he dissolved. I was staying at my mom's 00:36:25.309 --> 00:36:27.349 and I went out and I told her about it. And I 00:36:27.349 --> 00:36:29.389 told her about the outfit. And I said, did his 00:36:29.389 --> 00:36:33.809 gray pants have like a fake pocket with just 00:36:33.809 --> 00:36:38.030 a button on it? And she knew. Yeah. So those 00:36:38.030 --> 00:36:41.269 were the pants he wore. I'm thinking. Where's 00:36:41.269 --> 00:36:43.510 your spleen? I didn't even know where it was. 00:36:43.510 --> 00:36:45.230 I thought maybe it was in the back of your throat 00:36:45.230 --> 00:36:47.650 I really didn't know if it was like that or adenoids 00:36:47.650 --> 00:36:52.949 so I dismissed it and Then a couple days later. 00:36:52.949 --> 00:36:57.929 I heard a woman in My left ear say spleen spleen 00:36:57.929 --> 00:37:02.809 and then I got like what I call a blast of emotion 00:37:02.809 --> 00:37:06.409 of concern That just came through me and left. 00:37:06.789 --> 00:37:11.750 So I went out and I said, you know I got a message 00:37:11.750 --> 00:37:14.010 and I'm believing if I don't have this spleen 00:37:14.010 --> 00:37:18.190 out, I'm gonna die. So I went to a doctor and 00:37:18.190 --> 00:37:20.150 I said, you know, I told him what happened and 00:37:20.150 --> 00:37:23.829 he was actually pretty, pretty compassionate 00:37:23.829 --> 00:37:25.769 about it. He said he'd heard of other things 00:37:25.769 --> 00:37:28.409 like that. He said, I'll write a physician's 00:37:28.409 --> 00:37:33.250 order. I went to a surgeon and I said, can I 00:37:33.250 --> 00:37:35.250 have my spleen out? Here's a physician's order. 00:37:35.710 --> 00:37:37.170 I said, can you do it this spring? And he said, 00:37:37.210 --> 00:37:40.619 how's about Wednesday? And it was a strange thing 00:37:40.619 --> 00:37:43.519 for him because they got in there, got my spleen 00:37:43.519 --> 00:37:45.960 out, but my spleen had a blood clot the size 00:37:45.960 --> 00:37:49.480 of a man's hand. So my spleen didn't explode, 00:37:49.579 --> 00:37:52.360 it had imploded. And I'd been taking a lot of 00:37:52.360 --> 00:37:54.800 aspirin, which is a blood thinner. The doctor 00:37:54.800 --> 00:37:57.280 said afterwards, he said, you should really be 00:37:57.280 --> 00:37:59.260 dead because you were taking aspirin. I don't 00:37:59.260 --> 00:38:02.260 know why that spleen clotted. We were lucky to 00:38:02.260 --> 00:38:05.199 get it. It would have broken up in a day or so, 00:38:05.360 --> 00:38:07.559 day or two or three, and you would have perished. 00:38:07.800 --> 00:38:10.559 Well, when I woke up, I didn't exactly feel lucky. 00:38:10.559 --> 00:38:14.400 It really hurt. And I've always wondered if this 00:38:14.400 --> 00:38:16.920 was the hard thing he was talking about. But 00:38:16.920 --> 00:38:21.780 I was amazed that he could communicate with me 00:38:21.780 --> 00:38:25.760 and come to me because nothing had happened like 00:38:25.760 --> 00:38:29.980 that before my near death experience. OK, let's 00:38:29.980 --> 00:38:33.219 go back. Do you mind if I ask you any kind of 00:38:33.219 --> 00:38:35.780 clarification or detail you can fill in on a 00:38:35.780 --> 00:38:38.530 couple of these things? One was you mentioned 00:38:38.530 --> 00:38:42.369 in your experience about hearing music. Can you 00:38:42.369 --> 00:38:44.849 tell us any more about the music? It's nothing 00:38:44.849 --> 00:38:48.010 that I've ever heard here. It's not like chamber 00:38:48.010 --> 00:38:51.670 music. I don't know if it was instrumental. It 00:38:51.670 --> 00:38:54.730 was beautiful, but it wasn't a melody I'd heard 00:38:54.730 --> 00:39:00.349 here. And it was very comforting and soft, like 00:39:00.349 --> 00:39:04.679 it just caressed your senses. And it was floating 00:39:04.679 --> 00:39:07.559 through the air or I was floating one of the 00:39:07.559 --> 00:39:09.519 other, I don't know if I was in motion or the 00:39:09.519 --> 00:39:13.260 music was in motion, in random waves. I could 00:39:13.260 --> 00:39:15.639 hear it like in the background. It was nice. 00:39:16.219 --> 00:39:18.920 Tell me more about floating in a sea of love. 00:39:19.519 --> 00:39:24.219 Looking back, I felt that my physical body had 00:39:24.219 --> 00:39:27.400 compressed into a point of consciousness. So 00:39:27.400 --> 00:39:30.380 I didn't feel like arms and legs. I didn't feel 00:39:30.380 --> 00:39:33.400 a sensation of having a face or fingers. Was 00:39:33.400 --> 00:39:36.860 it panicked about it just felt like this was 00:39:36.860 --> 00:39:39.460 like i was floating in the sea of love this i 00:39:39.460 --> 00:39:42.519 was this consciousness. This was my source this 00:39:42.519 --> 00:39:46.360 was my origin and i believe i didn't know the 00:39:46.360 --> 00:39:50.860 time but i'm retrospect. All of the souls that 00:39:50.860 --> 00:39:54.480 were around me how they were connected was there 00:39:54.480 --> 00:39:57.280 were different versions of me part of me like 00:39:57.280 --> 00:40:00.360 this is where your soul goes is it heaven no 00:40:00.360 --> 00:40:05.190 i think it's your origin. Your source for me 00:40:05.190 --> 00:40:08.809 source was all the parts of myself coming back 00:40:08.809 --> 00:40:12.610 together. I believe that near -death experiences 00:40:12.610 --> 00:40:16.190 and especially life reviews. We have a lot to 00:40:16.190 --> 00:40:19.110 learn from those that these aren't just experiences 00:40:19.110 --> 00:40:23.710 of fluff and grandeur or something but their 00:40:23.710 --> 00:40:28.380 experiences to learn from. You had a really serious 00:40:28.380 --> 00:40:31.280 kind of life review. How did that change your 00:40:31.280 --> 00:40:34.320 life? I mean, you're only 19. How has it changed 00:40:34.320 --> 00:40:37.260 your life for all these years since? Did it make 00:40:37.260 --> 00:40:41.280 me a better person? Probably not. I'm just more 00:40:41.280 --> 00:40:44.800 aware. I've always had a keen awareness after 00:40:44.800 --> 00:40:48.300 that of not damaging somebody else. Even when 00:40:48.300 --> 00:40:52.139 somebody isn't nice to me, I try to be nice back. 00:40:52.489 --> 00:40:54.889 And it's been hard for me because I had a little 00:40:54.889 --> 00:40:57.690 bit of a hot temper when I was young. So I've 00:40:57.690 --> 00:40:59.570 quelled some of my temper and I haven't done 00:40:59.570 --> 00:41:03.010 it all that well. Yeah, I did the best I could. 00:41:03.550 --> 00:41:06.889 I wish I had done better in my life, I can tell 00:41:06.889 --> 00:41:10.530 you that. But as I'm approaching my final years, 00:41:11.070 --> 00:41:14.090 you know, I feel kind of peaceful because, you 00:41:14.090 --> 00:41:17.050 know, death is not the big question at all. Not 00:41:17.050 --> 00:41:20.280 for me. Do you have any fear of death? Well, 00:41:20.280 --> 00:41:24.440 I don't want to hurt on the way out. I had 20 00:41:24.440 --> 00:41:27.019 plus surgeries with this illness that I've had, 00:41:27.380 --> 00:41:32.199 and it's been quite harrowing at times. You know 00:41:32.199 --> 00:41:35.059 what I was surprised about, Eric, is this. I 00:41:35.059 --> 00:41:36.519 don't know, like when I was a kid and stuff, 00:41:36.639 --> 00:41:38.460 I thought, well, you know, you live and then 00:41:38.460 --> 00:41:40.920 there's a time that God wants to take you and, 00:41:41.039 --> 00:41:44.880 you know, we all have a time and expiration date, 00:41:45.019 --> 00:41:48.719 then you die. I didn't realize there's different 00:41:48.719 --> 00:41:51.260 times you can exit this world. I didn't know 00:41:51.260 --> 00:41:55.099 there was more choice in when you die. And last 00:41:55.099 --> 00:41:57.559 summer, I got into the hospital the nick of time 00:41:57.559 --> 00:42:00.659 I had gangrene of the gallbladder. I never saw 00:42:00.659 --> 00:42:03.519 that coming. And I was able to, you know, kind 00:42:03.519 --> 00:42:06.900 of cheat death. I was pretty happy about it. 00:42:06.900 --> 00:42:11.480 It went well. But there was another time when 00:42:11.480 --> 00:42:14.510 I had a family member come to collect me. Would 00:42:14.510 --> 00:42:18.829 you like to hear about that? Yeah. OK. I had 00:42:18.829 --> 00:42:21.769 a surgery that was didn't think was life threatening. 00:42:21.889 --> 00:42:24.969 I was doing better. Like when I was in my 30s, 00:42:24.969 --> 00:42:26.909 it was life or death a whole lot, you know, with 00:42:26.909 --> 00:42:29.230 my illness life or death. It was terrible. Got 00:42:29.230 --> 00:42:32.010 in my 40s. It was much better. I did much better. 00:42:32.050 --> 00:42:33.650 And I was considered, you know, I was going to 00:42:33.650 --> 00:42:36.809 make it. I had done like 300 plasma transfusions. 00:42:36.809 --> 00:42:40.329 I was on my way. So I go in for a minor surgery 00:42:40.329 --> 00:42:43.900 and then I come home. I'm alone. just have the 00:42:43.900 --> 00:42:46.920 dog and the horse. And I'm thinking I'm OK. It 00:42:46.920 --> 00:42:49.519 just wasn't a successful surgery. And I was kind 00:42:49.519 --> 00:42:52.219 of bummed about it. In the middle of the night, 00:42:52.840 --> 00:42:55.920 my sister came. And I was all emotional. I was 00:42:55.920 --> 00:42:58.619 so glad to see her. This is my best friend that 00:42:58.619 --> 00:43:03.000 had died when I was 35. And my sister was my 00:43:03.000 --> 00:43:06.300 best friend. She was my cheerleader. She was 00:43:06.300 --> 00:43:08.320 my mother. She was everything rolled into one. 00:43:09.000 --> 00:43:11.599 She came to get me and she looked just like her 00:43:11.599 --> 00:43:14.099 and it looked like we were in my farm and this 00:43:14.099 --> 00:43:16.599 was daylight even though it was probably two 00:43:16.599 --> 00:43:19.139 or three in the morning. She said, I've come 00:43:19.139 --> 00:43:21.019 to collect you. I'm going to take you to the 00:43:21.019 --> 00:43:25.860 hospital now. We walked to the gate and then 00:43:25.860 --> 00:43:30.460 I knew if I cross the gate, I'm not coming back. 00:43:31.440 --> 00:43:34.090 I said to her, I know you're going to think this 00:43:34.090 --> 00:43:36.650 is a nutty thing. I can't leave my horse. My 00:43:36.650 --> 00:43:39.090 horse was like really old. I couldn't leave him. 00:43:39.110 --> 00:43:42.389 He was like 28 years old. And he was my whole 00:43:42.389 --> 00:43:45.030 life. And I had my dog there. And I'm not leaving 00:43:45.030 --> 00:43:47.909 that horse. I'm not going without him. I'm not 00:43:47.909 --> 00:43:51.349 leaving that horse. And I think that she got 00:43:51.349 --> 00:43:54.489 it. She got some humor out of it. And she said, 00:43:54.670 --> 00:43:57.409 well, I'm going to go ahead. And you can come 00:43:57.409 --> 00:44:00.230 with me if you want. She was giving me a choice 00:44:00.230 --> 00:44:02.840 if I wanted to leave. And I'm sitting there going, 00:44:03.380 --> 00:44:08.280 goodness, my mother will be so pissed. I was 00:44:08.280 --> 00:44:09.699 going through this list and I don't think it 00:44:09.699 --> 00:44:11.880 was terribly rational. Didn't want to leave the 00:44:11.880 --> 00:44:14.239 horse. Didn't want to leave my elderly parents 00:44:14.239 --> 00:44:16.960 because who would take care of them? And later 00:44:16.960 --> 00:44:19.280 on, I ended up giving them caregiving for five 00:44:19.280 --> 00:44:22.340 years. I wasn't thinking about leaving my life. 00:44:22.960 --> 00:44:26.219 I didn't care if I left my life. I just couldn't 00:44:26.219 --> 00:44:29.780 leave before my horse or my parents. So I had 00:44:29.780 --> 00:44:34.719 this responsibility. But had they not been alive, 00:44:35.280 --> 00:44:37.820 I'd have gone right with her. She's leaving, 00:44:37.920 --> 00:44:39.980 and I'm upset that she's leaving, and I'm standing 00:44:39.980 --> 00:44:43.659 right by my gate, knowing I can't cross this 00:44:43.659 --> 00:44:47.360 threshold. And I mean, the colors, the colors 00:44:47.360 --> 00:44:50.420 were brighter, more vivid. I mean, I was there. 00:44:50.920 --> 00:44:54.260 And then this ambulance comes up. The guy gets 00:44:54.260 --> 00:44:57.099 out, and he's and he called Janice is my first 00:44:57.099 --> 00:45:00.500 name is Janice. I'm here to help you. I'll take 00:45:00.500 --> 00:45:02.940 you to the hospital. Just come with me." I didn't 00:45:02.940 --> 00:45:06.579 know him, but he was really, really sincere and 00:45:06.579 --> 00:45:10.880 kind. And I said, I can't do it. I'm not leaving 00:45:10.880 --> 00:45:15.559 that horse. And then it was like a thud in my 00:45:15.559 --> 00:45:19.059 solar plexus. I'm sitting up in bed. My body's 00:45:19.059 --> 00:45:23.800 cold, very cold. This is summer, and I had to 00:45:23.800 --> 00:45:26.539 take a lot of deep breaths, and it was over. 00:45:27.099 --> 00:45:31.980 My body temperature was seriously cold. I Realized 00:45:31.980 --> 00:45:35.340 that she had felt my distress because earlier 00:45:35.340 --> 00:45:37.599 in the week I was like very bummed about the 00:45:37.599 --> 00:45:40.579 surgery and like oh god Why are it? Why is this 00:45:40.579 --> 00:45:42.840 going on and on am I ever gonna get better? I'm 00:45:42.840 --> 00:45:46.139 so tired of this crap you know, I wasn't a good 00:45:46.139 --> 00:45:50.840 sport and My sister came to get me to give him 00:45:50.840 --> 00:45:52.780 and she gave me a choice. I didn't have to go 00:45:52.780 --> 00:45:55.590 I chose to stay I have a feeling if you had had 00:45:55.590 --> 00:45:58.610 that choice when you were 19, you may not have 00:45:58.610 --> 00:46:00.889 come back. Oh, I never would have come back, 00:46:01.190 --> 00:46:03.989 no. Yeah. And I told my mom all about it. My 00:46:03.989 --> 00:46:06.449 parents knew all about this stuff. How did they 00:46:06.449 --> 00:46:09.429 react to it? They were used to it. They were 00:46:09.429 --> 00:46:12.329 used to some of the other things that had gone 00:46:12.329 --> 00:46:16.110 on that had all turned out to be true. They found 00:46:16.110 --> 00:46:19.030 me very clear and honest. My mother found it 00:46:19.030 --> 00:46:22.130 comforting to know that her dad was close by. 00:46:22.730 --> 00:46:26.389 She was very glad that my sister is close by 00:46:26.389 --> 00:46:29.150 when people die they don't really leave you there 00:46:29.150 --> 00:46:32.429 another dimension maybe you can't access them 00:46:32.429 --> 00:46:34.929 or anything like that i mean i've tried when 00:46:34.929 --> 00:46:38.110 i wanted to happen and never does and if it does 00:46:38.110 --> 00:46:41.750 the message always comes in sideways. So people 00:46:41.750 --> 00:46:44.250 deal with these experiences after they come back 00:46:44.250 --> 00:46:46.909 in all kinds of different ways a lot of people 00:46:46.909 --> 00:46:51.030 write books. More as a therapeutic kind of way 00:46:51.030 --> 00:46:54.090 to deal with it than anything else and they write 00:46:54.090 --> 00:46:58.210 about their personal experience You have also 00:46:58.210 --> 00:47:01.570 written a series of books, but they're a little 00:47:01.570 --> 00:47:04.449 bit different than that Would you explain that 00:47:04.449 --> 00:47:07.510 real quick? And then and then we'll stick a link 00:47:07.510 --> 00:47:10.349 in the show notes in case anybody wants to go 00:47:10.349 --> 00:47:13.670 find him I never thought to be an author. I had 00:47:13.670 --> 00:47:17.860 a dream of a story and i decided to write it 00:47:17.860 --> 00:47:20.719 and it was all about near death experience and 00:47:20.719 --> 00:47:24.679 it's after effects. So i was able to be going 00:47:24.679 --> 00:47:28.800 this card writing mission where i could explain 00:47:28.800 --> 00:47:31.960 with characters what happens in a near death 00:47:31.960 --> 00:47:34.619 experience and the after effects and some of 00:47:34.619 --> 00:47:38.000 the psychic abilities. That people pick up along 00:47:38.000 --> 00:47:41.599 the way so it. morphed into this book series 00:47:41.599 --> 00:47:44.900 and the paranormal experiences in the book series 00:47:44.900 --> 00:47:48.639 are about 85 % truth and then a little bit of 00:47:48.639 --> 00:47:51.500 fiction. And it's not stories about your life. 00:47:51.760 --> 00:47:56.340 These are novels, right? No, it starts in 1979 00:47:56.340 --> 00:48:00.719 and there is a crisis, an incident that happens 00:48:00.719 --> 00:48:04.119 and these people come together and a doctor has 00:48:04.119 --> 00:48:07.940 to steal these files from a hospital about having 00:48:07.940 --> 00:48:09.980 these patients that have all had near -death 00:48:09.980 --> 00:48:13.420 experiences because they're trying to contact 00:48:13.420 --> 00:48:17.119 a ghost and find out what is the purpose of this 00:48:17.119 --> 00:48:19.880 ghost, you know, reoccurring in this farm. And 00:48:19.880 --> 00:48:22.840 I take you on an adventure. So it's a paranormal 00:48:22.840 --> 00:48:27.219 mystery with a lot of romance. And I think it's 00:48:27.219 --> 00:48:29.159 quite entertaining if you took the near -death 00:48:29.159 --> 00:48:31.639 experience out of it, it would still be a strong, 00:48:31.639 --> 00:48:34.809 you know, romance. I feel like I was helped to 00:48:34.809 --> 00:48:39.130 write this, because I was gifted a dream and 00:48:39.130 --> 00:48:43.150 a storyline. Well, whatever that vehicle was, 00:48:43.329 --> 00:48:45.710 it was a form of expression for me because I 00:48:45.710 --> 00:48:49.510 could explain New Death Experience and the psychic 00:48:49.510 --> 00:48:52.110 after effects some people have. And it really 00:48:52.110 --> 00:48:55.309 was a healing process for me to write these books. 00:48:55.510 --> 00:48:58.530 It was wonderful because I was ill at the time 00:48:58.530 --> 00:49:01.510 and it gave me a purpose. All right, before I 00:49:01.510 --> 00:49:03.659 let you go. one last thing that I want you to 00:49:03.659 --> 00:49:07.139 talk a little bit more about and see if you can 00:49:07.139 --> 00:49:09.579 can leave us with a message of hope because I 00:49:09.579 --> 00:49:12.679 have a feeling this will lead into it and that 00:49:12.679 --> 00:49:16.239 is you said back when you were 19 and you first 00:49:16.239 --> 00:49:20.159 came to that you were just full of anguish instead 00:49:20.159 --> 00:49:23.019 of some people might be oh I'm so thankful to 00:49:23.019 --> 00:49:26.739 be alive you were full of anguish explain that 00:49:26.739 --> 00:49:29.079 more to us and you said that you wanted to be 00:49:29.079 --> 00:49:33.710 someplace else why I wanted to be with my grandfather 00:49:33.710 --> 00:49:39.050 i wanted to be there it was so wonderful. To 00:49:39.050 --> 00:49:42.570 see him he love me just as much as he did the 00:49:42.570 --> 00:49:46.710 day he died that there was this bridge between 00:49:46.710 --> 00:49:49.690 us that i was able to cross and see him i mean. 00:49:50.369 --> 00:49:53.369 What a relief it was it was wonderful to know 00:49:53.369 --> 00:49:56.170 that there is a continuation of existence and 00:49:56.170 --> 00:49:59.190 that the people you love you not losing them 00:49:59.190 --> 00:50:02.079 forever. You've lost them in physical reality 00:50:02.079 --> 00:50:04.719 when they die ahead of you, but you'll be right 00:50:04.719 --> 00:50:07.219 back where you've started, you know, where it's 00:50:07.219 --> 00:50:09.619 supposed to be. I just wanted to be with them 00:50:09.619 --> 00:50:13.739 because I felt when I was there, I wanted for 00:50:13.739 --> 00:50:17.119 nothing. My problems were over. It was a wonderful 00:50:17.119 --> 00:50:20.159 place. There was part of me that was very curious. 00:50:20.219 --> 00:50:24.659 I wanted to know more. I wasn't ungrateful to 00:50:24.659 --> 00:50:28.000 come back. The whole thing left me shell shocked. 00:50:28.670 --> 00:50:31.210 You know, I had a harder time with it because 00:50:31.210 --> 00:50:35.110 I didn't understand it. Had I had a near -death 00:50:35.110 --> 00:50:38.429 experience at 65, I would have had a complete 00:50:38.429 --> 00:50:41.690 different experience. I was a kid. Would it be 00:50:41.690 --> 00:50:45.130 accurate for me to say that not only is there 00:50:45.130 --> 00:50:47.909 a continuation of existence, which you just said, 00:50:48.369 --> 00:50:51.590 but also a continuation of relationships? Oh 00:50:51.590 --> 00:50:55.329 my gosh, yes. Oh my gosh. I just got the feeling 00:50:55.329 --> 00:50:58.409 you can do so many visiting. You just have to 00:50:58.409 --> 00:51:01.829 think of someone. Let's say you've crossed over 00:51:01.829 --> 00:51:04.530 and you're in non -physical reality. You're in 00:51:04.530 --> 00:51:06.670 the next life, whatever you want to call it. 00:51:06.929 --> 00:51:11.070 All you have to do is think and you can connect 00:51:11.070 --> 00:51:14.989 with someone. Let's say you had a teacher that 00:51:14.989 --> 00:51:17.150 you had loved and adored when you were in third 00:51:17.150 --> 00:51:19.389 grade. Well, you'll be able to see her again 00:51:19.389 --> 00:51:23.820 if she chooses, if she's in that dimension. As 00:51:23.820 --> 00:51:27.420 I said, there are consensus realities. We don't 00:51:27.420 --> 00:51:31.139 all go to the same place. We create what we need 00:51:31.139 --> 00:51:34.980 after we pass. Thank you so much for being with 00:51:34.980 --> 00:51:37.460 me today. I really appreciate it. I appreciate 00:51:37.460 --> 00:51:41.139 you opening up, first of all, answering all my 00:51:41.139 --> 00:51:44.599 questions and just for sharing. It's really a 00:51:44.599 --> 00:51:47.519 comforting thing, isn't it? It's a wonderful, 00:51:47.760 --> 00:51:50.880 blissful thing to know that there's a continuation 00:51:50.880 --> 00:51:53.780 of existence that my sister and my grandfather 00:51:53.780 --> 00:51:57.039 are right there. When I die, I'm not afraid, 00:51:57.340 --> 00:52:00.400 and I'm still loved, and I can still feel that 00:52:00.400 --> 00:52:05.800 love here. I just, I feel blessed. It's gotten 00:52:05.800 --> 00:52:08.980 me through a lot of tough stuff. It's a known 00:52:08.980 --> 00:52:12.639 fact. I know that there is a continuation after 00:52:12.639 --> 00:52:15.360 death. It's not a belief for me. It's a known 00:52:15.360 --> 00:52:18.239 fact, and that gives me a lot of comfort, and 00:52:18.239 --> 00:52:21.760 I feel blessed. Why me? Why am I so lucky? Dumb 00:52:21.760 --> 00:52:24.380 luck, I think. I just was riding that horse on 00:52:24.380 --> 00:52:30.519 a bad day. Thanks again for listening and sharing 00:52:30.519 --> 00:52:32.820 this podcast. Don't forget to hit the follow 00:52:32.820 --> 00:52:35.679 or subscribe button and sign up for our newsletter 00:52:35.679 --> 00:52:38.519 at roundtripdeath .com. If you want to share 00:52:38.519 --> 00:52:41.280 your near -death experience or if you have questions 00:52:41.280 --> 00:52:44.000 or comments about the show, send an email to 00:52:44.000 --> 00:52:47.460 eric at roundtripdeath .com. Until then, I wish 00:52:47.460 --> 00:52:49.320 you everything good that you're looking for in 00:52:49.320 --> 00:52:51.039 this life and the next.