WEBVTT 00:00:03.730 --> 00:00:06.750 From the time that they pronounced me dead was 00:00:06.750 --> 00:00:10.230 a good 45 minutes. They cut my clothes and then 00:00:10.230 --> 00:00:13.449 they paddled my heart, my heart had stopped and 00:00:13.449 --> 00:00:16.609 I could see people screaming and crying but I 00:00:16.609 --> 00:00:18.589 didn't realize that was actually my physical 00:00:18.589 --> 00:00:22.030 body because I was somewhere else. The only thing 00:00:22.030 --> 00:00:25.390 that I could feel if you could imagine absolute 00:00:25.390 --> 00:00:28.510 love and peace there wasn't anything else to 00:00:28.510 --> 00:00:31.589 be felt. I was greeted by people I'd known in 00:00:31.589 --> 00:00:35.090 the past. I'm back home again. Incredibly safe 00:00:35.090 --> 00:00:40.450 and felt at home. Welcome, welcome to Round Trip 00:00:40.450 --> 00:00:43.210 Death, everybody. And a very warm welcome to 00:00:43.210 --> 00:00:45.530 our guest today, Randy Dron. How are you doing, 00:00:45.710 --> 00:00:47.990 Randy? Very good. Thank you for having me. Good 00:00:47.990 --> 00:00:50.649 morning. Good morning. It's good to see you. 00:00:50.649 --> 00:00:54.350 It is pretty early on a nice warm summer morning. 00:00:54.700 --> 00:00:57.799 Would you, just before we jump into your couple 00:00:57.799 --> 00:01:01.179 of near -death experiences, give us a little 00:01:01.179 --> 00:01:04.000 idea of who Randy is? Take a minute, tell us 00:01:04.000 --> 00:01:07.400 about you. Well, I'm happily remarried and I 00:01:07.400 --> 00:01:10.359 have a few children. Maybe you can tell behind 00:01:10.359 --> 00:01:13.379 me, I'm a proud Navy veteran that served during 00:01:13.379 --> 00:01:17.099 the desert storm. I'm also the dad of a couple 00:01:17.099 --> 00:01:20.890 beautiful weenie dogs. All right. Well, that 00:01:20.890 --> 00:01:23.670 is awesome, and we thank you for that. And you 00:01:23.670 --> 00:01:26.409 live in the Houston area. We were just talking 00:01:26.409 --> 00:01:29.730 about how hot it gets there, oh man. Brutally 00:01:29.730 --> 00:01:33.530 hot, and July and August will be torture. Well, 00:01:33.930 --> 00:01:36.769 now and then on this show we talk about hellish 00:01:36.769 --> 00:01:39.709 experiences, and I'm not saying that's where 00:01:39.709 --> 00:01:42.269 you live, but maybe the temperature compares, 00:01:42.390 --> 00:01:47.239 I don't know. Yeah, well, no comparison. No, 00:01:47.780 --> 00:01:50.680 all right. Hey, let's get right into it. Let's 00:01:50.680 --> 00:01:53.340 go back in time to when you were just about 12 00:01:53.340 --> 00:01:55.959 years old and you'd gotten very sick. What was 00:01:55.959 --> 00:01:58.319 going on with your health and what led up to 00:01:58.319 --> 00:02:02.359 your NDE? At first, my health was fine, but it 00:02:02.359 --> 00:02:05.680 was Christmas time. Me and some church friends 00:02:05.680 --> 00:02:09.060 and school friends, we decided to go Christmas 00:02:09.060 --> 00:02:12.449 caroling at winter time. And this was a long 00:02:12.449 --> 00:02:14.610 time ago. So if this tells you anything, it's 00:02:14.610 --> 00:02:16.889 back in the day where a bunch of kids could pile 00:02:16.889 --> 00:02:20.229 up in the back of a pickup truck and go to house 00:02:20.229 --> 00:02:23.449 to house. So that tells you how long ago it was. 00:02:24.090 --> 00:02:26.650 And without helmets on? No helmets. We would 00:02:26.650 --> 00:02:29.689 hop in and out and we would go knock on doors. 00:02:29.729 --> 00:02:33.009 And it was extremely cold that night. We were 00:02:33.009 --> 00:02:36.090 out for a few hours. For some reason, I don't 00:02:36.090 --> 00:02:38.729 know what got into me, maybe me just being a 00:02:38.729 --> 00:02:41.699 careless... child, I didn't bring a coat with 00:02:41.699 --> 00:02:44.180 me. I think all the other kids were bundled up, 00:02:44.180 --> 00:02:48.139 but I didn't have one. So after the Christmas 00:02:48.139 --> 00:02:50.419 caroling, there was a little Christmas party 00:02:50.419 --> 00:02:53.860 afterwards and everything was still fine. But 00:02:53.860 --> 00:02:57.099 unbeknownst at the time, the weather got to me. 00:02:57.539 --> 00:03:01.879 So I went to bed and fell asleep that night. 00:03:02.280 --> 00:03:05.740 In the middle of the night, I got deathly sick 00:03:05.740 --> 00:03:10.590 and My spirit left my body. I didn't realize 00:03:10.590 --> 00:03:13.590 where I was at at the time, but I was in a deep, 00:03:13.770 --> 00:03:18.650 dark cavern, and I was flying along in my spirit 00:03:18.650 --> 00:03:22.270 form. Now, mind you, I didn't have any fear, 00:03:22.509 --> 00:03:25.590 but I knew where I was at. And I was in my spirit, 00:03:25.689 --> 00:03:28.710 and I was flying along in this deep, dark valley. 00:03:29.330 --> 00:03:32.430 There was no source of light. It was darkness, 00:03:32.849 --> 00:03:35.009 but I could still see. I know that's kind of 00:03:35.009 --> 00:03:39.509 a contradiction. I noticed no life, no water, 00:03:39.689 --> 00:03:43.810 no trees. It was just a lifeless valley. Going 00:03:43.810 --> 00:03:49.009 along, as far as the eye could see, I just saw 00:03:49.009 --> 00:03:53.990 countless gel cells embedded in the rock. Just 00:03:53.990 --> 00:03:57.099 to back up a little bit. To kind of give you 00:03:57.099 --> 00:04:00.939 an idea of how how big this place was Say like 00:04:00.939 --> 00:04:02.719 if you're looking up in the sky and you see an 00:04:02.719 --> 00:04:05.960 airplane 30 40 ,000 feet in the air I would say 00:04:05.960 --> 00:04:08.500 that's probably how high it was and how big this 00:04:08.500 --> 00:04:11.780 valley mountainous region was So it's flying 00:04:11.780 --> 00:04:15.759 along and I saw jail cells and they had bars 00:04:15.759 --> 00:04:19.259 all in them I still didn't have any fear. I didn't 00:04:19.259 --> 00:04:22.519 see any lost souls or any fire or anything like 00:04:22.519 --> 00:04:26.959 that I continued to go quite a distance further, 00:04:27.199 --> 00:04:30.439 reached another part of this place. In my spirit, 00:04:30.600 --> 00:04:34.600 I could see down, embedded in the earth, there 00:04:34.600 --> 00:04:38.819 was this big giant black mass. It was like half 00:04:38.819 --> 00:04:43.360 of it was above the earth and half of it, I just 00:04:43.360 --> 00:04:45.980 knew it instinctively, was below the earth. I 00:04:45.980 --> 00:04:48.540 said, wow, this thing's like the size of a football 00:04:48.540 --> 00:04:51.379 field. I remember seeing it in my spirit. Then 00:04:51.379 --> 00:04:54.540 after that, I was back in my body and I woke 00:04:54.540 --> 00:04:58.259 up the next morning and I was deathly sick. I 00:04:58.259 --> 00:05:01.500 had to miss a few days of school. So that was 00:05:01.500 --> 00:05:04.699 my first experience, but at the time I didn't 00:05:04.699 --> 00:05:07.259 realize where I was at and God didn't really 00:05:07.259 --> 00:05:10.300 reveal that to me until the 90s. Wow, that's 00:05:10.300 --> 00:05:13.040 really unusual. What's the difference between 00:05:13.040 --> 00:05:16.519 that experience or you just having a regular 00:05:16.519 --> 00:05:18.420 dream in the middle of the night, some night? 00:05:18.560 --> 00:05:21.199 Well, if anybody that's had this experience, 00:05:21.620 --> 00:05:23.759 like the Bible says, in the body or out of the 00:05:23.759 --> 00:05:28.379 body, I don't know. But I was there. It was a 00:05:28.379 --> 00:05:32.259 real place. And how I found out later is the 00:05:32.259 --> 00:05:34.860 Bible talks about the valley of the shadow of 00:05:34.860 --> 00:05:37.420 death. There was a lady, I don't know if you've 00:05:37.420 --> 00:05:40.339 heard of her, called Mary Kay Baxter. I was given 00:05:40.339 --> 00:05:44.920 some cassette tapes in the 90s. about her experiences 00:05:44.920 --> 00:05:48.540 where over a period of 40 days and 40 nights, 00:05:48.720 --> 00:05:51.360 the Lord would appear to her, show her parts 00:05:51.360 --> 00:05:55.259 of heaven and parts of hell, and she described 00:05:55.259 --> 00:05:58.639 with her and Jesus and her spirit going along, 00:05:58.639 --> 00:06:01.579 walking in a valley, and Jesus and her would 00:06:01.579 --> 00:06:04.399 stop. Embedded in the earth were jail cells, 00:06:04.720 --> 00:06:09.240 and the horror of it for her was in each jail 00:06:09.240 --> 00:06:12.709 cell there was a lost soul. and they would talk 00:06:12.709 --> 00:06:15.649 to her and they would explain what brought them 00:06:15.649 --> 00:06:18.290 there and they would be weeping and crying and 00:06:18.290 --> 00:06:21.730 begging the Lord to let them out. Then she was 00:06:21.730 --> 00:06:24.069 taken on another night to another part of hell 00:06:24.069 --> 00:06:27.470 where she saw the heart of hell and she described 00:06:27.470 --> 00:06:32.050 a big black beating mass exactly what I saw and 00:06:32.050 --> 00:06:34.490 her book she described it as a baseball field. 00:06:34.850 --> 00:06:37.290 In my mind I described it as a football field. 00:06:37.889 --> 00:06:41.079 So really not much difference. The Lord revealed 00:06:41.079 --> 00:06:44.439 to me as an adult where I was at. But with me 00:06:44.439 --> 00:06:46.920 being so young, the Bible says, Yea, though I 00:06:46.920 --> 00:06:48.579 walk through the valley of shadow of death, I 00:06:48.579 --> 00:06:52.180 will feel no evil. For God art with me. For He 00:06:52.180 --> 00:06:55.860 is with me. So He gave me that open vision, took 00:06:55.860 --> 00:06:59.300 me there to prepare me for later to life. With 00:06:59.300 --> 00:07:01.860 all my experiences, you know, and at the end 00:07:01.860 --> 00:07:04.740 of the day, the Bible says, we overcome the enemy 00:07:04.740 --> 00:07:08.019 with the word of God and our testimony. So this 00:07:08.019 --> 00:07:12.259 is my testimony. So, and if people don't believe 00:07:12.259 --> 00:07:15.000 me, that's okay. Believe the Word of God. If 00:07:15.000 --> 00:07:17.759 they open up to the Lord, I'm just here to warn 00:07:17.759 --> 00:07:21.319 them it is a real place. The Bible does tell 00:07:21.319 --> 00:07:23.920 the truth. Trust in the Lord Jesus Christ, because 00:07:23.920 --> 00:07:26.459 that's my message, you know, at the end of the 00:07:26.459 --> 00:07:29.579 day. I know I don't remember any of my dreams 00:07:29.579 --> 00:07:32.879 from when I was 12 years old, let alone last 00:07:32.879 --> 00:07:37.579 week. So something obviously very profound happened. 00:07:37.759 --> 00:07:40.779 Right. I'm curious, and you may have to just 00:07:40.779 --> 00:07:43.939 sort of speculate on this, but I'm curious why 00:07:43.939 --> 00:07:49.339 an innocent 12 year old would experience a representation 00:07:49.339 --> 00:07:51.620 of hell. Have you thought about that? What do 00:07:51.620 --> 00:07:55.060 you think the answer is? Well, you know, the 00:07:55.060 --> 00:07:58.800 short answer, I don't know. I have my assumptions, 00:07:58.800 --> 00:08:03.939 but I believe that's part of my purpose. As a 00:08:03.939 --> 00:08:06.100 child, he's not going to scare anybody, of course. 00:08:06.329 --> 00:08:09.250 As an adult, I realized with that. And I think 00:08:09.250 --> 00:08:12.110 it's just to show the truthfulness of the Bible. 00:08:12.569 --> 00:08:14.870 And I think it was maybe to help other people 00:08:14.870 --> 00:08:17.949 and also to show me that hell's a real place, 00:08:17.970 --> 00:08:21.149 because I can be really hard -headed and galactically 00:08:21.149 --> 00:08:24.750 stupid at times, which happened later in life. 00:08:25.089 --> 00:08:28.689 God's warning me. Warning, preparing. And letting 00:08:28.689 --> 00:08:31.490 people know that hell's a real place and heaven's 00:08:31.490 --> 00:08:34.389 a real place. All falls back to Jesus Christ. 00:08:35.090 --> 00:08:38.179 Okay. Is there anything else about that experience 00:08:38.179 --> 00:08:40.720 you want to share before we move on to the next 00:08:40.720 --> 00:08:43.600 one? No, sir. Well, then let's fast forward. 00:08:44.120 --> 00:08:47.279 I forget how many years ago this one was, but 00:08:47.279 --> 00:08:49.639 just why don't you give me a little lead up to 00:08:49.639 --> 00:08:53.019 it? Leading up to it. So when I got out of the 00:08:53.019 --> 00:08:56.759 Navy in 92, coming out of the Navy, I went and 00:08:56.759 --> 00:09:00.200 moved in with my adopted father and my stepmother 00:09:00.200 --> 00:09:03.879 just to kind of get back on my feet, back into 00:09:03.879 --> 00:09:06.899 civilian life. Well, a friend decided to go ahead 00:09:06.899 --> 00:09:12.659 and give me some drugs, which I decided to take 00:09:12.659 --> 00:09:16.500 a hit of acid. The effect didn't take place, 00:09:16.559 --> 00:09:18.840 and then I took about eight more hits of acid. 00:09:19.259 --> 00:09:21.440 And that was your first time, and you had that 00:09:21.440 --> 00:09:24.840 much? Yeah. How old did you say you were? I was 00:09:24.840 --> 00:09:27.779 22, and I took the first hit. I got impatient, 00:09:27.879 --> 00:09:31.220 so I decided to take the rest of it. That's where 00:09:31.220 --> 00:09:35.799 I was galactically stupid. So this time, and 00:09:35.799 --> 00:09:38.820 everything was fine, you know, I was enjoying 00:09:38.820 --> 00:09:42.700 it, enjoying the night. And then I finally went 00:09:42.700 --> 00:09:48.519 to sleep in my bed. And then that's when I died. 00:09:49.159 --> 00:09:51.460 And I was standing in my next moment of consciousness. 00:09:51.559 --> 00:09:55.700 I was instantly transported to hell. And I am 00:09:55.700 --> 00:10:00.879 standing in a pit of flames over my head. And 00:10:00.879 --> 00:10:05.059 this time the fear came. The fire was over my 00:10:05.059 --> 00:10:07.759 head. The whole cavern was filled with flames, 00:10:07.779 --> 00:10:11.000 and I could hear the roar of the fire louder 00:10:11.000 --> 00:10:14.860 than any natural flame. It was so loud that if 00:10:14.860 --> 00:10:17.379 your human ears were there, it would burst your 00:10:17.379 --> 00:10:20.320 eardrums and kill you. I was looking around, 00:10:20.639 --> 00:10:23.519 and I knew where I was at, and I knew what brought 00:10:23.519 --> 00:10:27.559 me there, and I felt regret and shame. And I 00:10:27.559 --> 00:10:30.659 knew my body was back up on the earth, and I 00:10:30.659 --> 00:10:33.250 said, I'm too late. And what I mean by that to 00:10:33.250 --> 00:10:36.330 people is I thought I was too late to repent 00:10:36.330 --> 00:10:39.730 and then regret. And I'm there in this lake of 00:10:39.730 --> 00:10:44.429 flame. But God in His mercy, He lovingly and 00:10:44.429 --> 00:10:49.230 sparingly withheld the pain, the fire, and the 00:10:49.230 --> 00:10:52.669 torment from me. Because if that would have happened, 00:10:52.789 --> 00:10:55.049 I don't think I would have been able to scream 00:10:55.049 --> 00:10:59.049 out and think of Him. But going back up just 00:10:59.049 --> 00:11:02.059 a moment, so I'm standing in this fire in this 00:11:02.059 --> 00:11:05.440 pit and I look across a little bit further and 00:11:05.440 --> 00:11:09.379 there was on another part of like a big demon. 00:11:10.100 --> 00:11:14.399 This demon was consumed in flames but it didn't 00:11:14.399 --> 00:11:16.940 consume him. I don't know if the flames hurt 00:11:16.940 --> 00:11:20.139 him but he was covered in flames as well. A huge 00:11:20.139 --> 00:11:23.440 demon, eight feet tall, ten feet tall. It was 00:11:23.440 --> 00:11:25.960 strange, even though he was a distance away, 00:11:26.419 --> 00:11:29.659 my eyes just supernaturally could like teleport, 00:11:29.759 --> 00:11:31.840 almost like a telescope or binoculars, how you 00:11:31.840 --> 00:11:35.899 can just zoom in. So my eyes locked with him 00:11:35.899 --> 00:11:39.399 and I felt he was some type of pit boss or something. 00:11:39.399 --> 00:11:41.399 That's the impression I get that was assigned 00:11:41.399 --> 00:11:45.200 to me. So when he saw me and I saw him and I 00:11:45.200 --> 00:11:48.659 was like his prey. And then right before just 00:11:48.659 --> 00:11:52.399 the absolute hysterical terror took over me. 00:11:52.649 --> 00:11:56.289 I screamed Jesus in that place. Through all the 00:11:56.289 --> 00:11:59.389 fire and everything, God was still there. He 00:11:59.389 --> 00:12:02.529 heard my cry through that fire. And as soon as 00:12:02.529 --> 00:12:06.830 I screamed Jesus, He put me back in my body and 00:12:06.830 --> 00:12:09.110 I popped up and it was morning time. So I don't 00:12:09.110 --> 00:12:12.309 know how long I was there. And then I would say 00:12:12.309 --> 00:12:17.230 for almost a week afterwards, I had like severe 00:12:17.230 --> 00:12:20.759 PTSD and I guess this is a little reminder. I 00:12:20.759 --> 00:12:24.240 could audibly hear the roar of the fire be like 00:12:24.240 --> 00:12:25.960 going to work or something in the morning. I 00:12:25.960 --> 00:12:28.539 could hear the fire in my ears again, and it 00:12:28.539 --> 00:12:32.399 would traumatize me. That is terrifying. Yes. 00:12:32.960 --> 00:12:35.860 I'm curious, did you grow up going to church? 00:12:35.940 --> 00:12:38.820 Is that why you thought about calling out to 00:12:38.820 --> 00:12:42.860 Jesus? Absolutely. So like I grew up abused, 00:12:42.860 --> 00:12:45.820 you know, so my adopted father, you know, growing 00:12:45.820 --> 00:12:49.220 up, I had a very abusive childhood. Later, I 00:12:49.220 --> 00:12:51.559 tried to make amends by moving into his house 00:12:51.559 --> 00:12:54.200 in the neighborhood. For just a sense of escape, 00:12:54.440 --> 00:12:57.860 this was back in the 70s, I would go, their little 00:12:57.860 --> 00:13:00.100 Baptist Sunday school bus would roll through 00:13:00.100 --> 00:13:02.720 the neighborhood. So as a sense of escape to 00:13:02.720 --> 00:13:04.980 get away for a few hours, I would go to Sunday 00:13:04.980 --> 00:13:08.779 school. That's where I first heard about Jesus 00:13:08.779 --> 00:13:11.559 as an eight -year -old child, you know, and I 00:13:11.559 --> 00:13:14.659 knew he was the Son of God. So I had always had 00:13:14.659 --> 00:13:17.399 a connection with Jesus. You know, the Bible 00:13:17.399 --> 00:13:19.980 says my people perish for lack of knowledge. 00:13:20.779 --> 00:13:25.120 But when I was in that place, thank God, I literally 00:13:25.120 --> 00:13:28.179 didn't know to call upon the name of Jesus, and 00:13:28.179 --> 00:13:31.139 he saved me. So that's my whole point with everything. 00:13:31.360 --> 00:13:34.860 I think God did this for two reasons. I think, 00:13:34.860 --> 00:13:37.360 you know, the Bible says in Job, God will strive 00:13:37.360 --> 00:13:40.019 with a man two, yet three times to turn his soul 00:13:40.019 --> 00:13:43.679 back from the pit. I have free will, but he foreknew 00:13:43.679 --> 00:13:47.450 I would be stupid at times. and he would have 00:13:47.450 --> 00:13:51.029 to try, you know, time after time to get my attention, 00:13:51.110 --> 00:13:54.649 which he finally has. So to save me and also 00:13:54.649 --> 00:13:58.789 to warn people that hell is a real place. If 00:13:58.789 --> 00:14:02.090 you don't believe me, I don't care. God told 00:14:02.090 --> 00:14:03.889 me I need to share that with people because if 00:14:03.889 --> 00:14:07.289 I have this and I keep it secret and don't tell 00:14:07.289 --> 00:14:10.889 anybody, that's on me. I don't want to stand 00:14:10.889 --> 00:14:13.169 before the judgment seat of Christ, even though 00:14:13.169 --> 00:14:17.320 my salvation isn't on the line. If the Lord asked 00:14:17.320 --> 00:14:19.759 me, it's like the man with the talents. I could 00:14:19.759 --> 00:14:22.139 either take these experiences and I can be a 00:14:22.139 --> 00:14:25.679 coward and I can bury it. Like, well, God saved 00:14:25.679 --> 00:14:28.200 me from it. I'm afraid what people are going 00:14:28.200 --> 00:14:31.559 to say. Or I could take this talent, this gift 00:14:31.559 --> 00:14:34.759 that God's given me and tell people. And if one 00:14:34.759 --> 00:14:38.220 person that listens to your program turns to 00:14:38.220 --> 00:14:40.820 Jesus Christ, because the Bible says, when one 00:14:40.820 --> 00:14:43.440 person repents, the angels in heaven rejoice 00:14:43.440 --> 00:14:46.370 and accept Jesus Christ as their savior. That's 00:14:46.370 --> 00:14:49.129 who I'm doing it for, for that person. So I just 00:14:49.129 --> 00:14:52.450 want to thank you for letting me maybe reach 00:14:52.450 --> 00:14:55.250 somebody through your program. Tell me a little 00:14:55.250 --> 00:14:57.529 bit about, again, I'm asking you to speculate 00:14:57.529 --> 00:15:00.009 on some things because I'm just trying to better 00:15:00.009 --> 00:15:02.590 understand. Yes, sir. The experience that you 00:15:02.590 --> 00:15:04.750 had when you were 12 compared to when you were 00:15:04.750 --> 00:15:08.750 22 were both, as you call it, hell, but they 00:15:08.750 --> 00:15:12.190 sounded very different. Yeah. Explain that. Why 00:15:12.190 --> 00:15:15.620 do you think that was? Well, I can only speculate, 00:15:15.720 --> 00:15:18.139 and God will give me the answers. The biggest 00:15:18.139 --> 00:15:22.059 difference, at 12, even though I was in a place 00:15:22.059 --> 00:15:25.179 of hell, there was no fear, and at that time, 00:15:25.200 --> 00:15:27.799 I was serving the Lord. Plus, I was a child, 00:15:27.799 --> 00:15:30.440 I had no fear, and I think God was preparing 00:15:30.440 --> 00:15:35.379 me. When I was 22, I can't debate anybody. Once 00:15:35.379 --> 00:15:38.039 saved, always saved. I'm not a Bible scholar. 00:15:38.080 --> 00:15:40.860 I don't have a theology degree. I just know. 00:15:41.159 --> 00:15:45.059 my experience. I chose to walk away from the 00:15:45.059 --> 00:15:49.960 Lord. I chose to overdose on drugs, and I almost 00:15:49.960 --> 00:15:54.279 paid the price. But God had mercy, and I think 00:15:54.279 --> 00:15:56.700 he foreknew I was going to do that, and he pulled 00:15:56.700 --> 00:15:58.940 me out. If I wouldn't have screamed Jesus, all 00:15:58.940 --> 00:16:01.440 I know is I would still be there. But God gave 00:16:01.440 --> 00:16:04.539 me a chance. He took me out of there, and I better 00:16:04.539 --> 00:16:07.139 do something with it. So yeah, it's a warning 00:16:07.139 --> 00:16:10.659 to let people know that hell is real. And through 00:16:10.659 --> 00:16:12.759 Jesus Christ, no man comes to the Father but 00:16:12.759 --> 00:16:16.519 through Jesus Christ. The Lord is merciful and 00:16:16.519 --> 00:16:19.080 wants to give us time after opportunity after 00:16:19.080 --> 00:16:21.919 opportunity to turn to Him. So while we're breathing, 00:16:22.559 --> 00:16:24.759 trust in the Lord, have a relationship with the 00:16:24.759 --> 00:16:28.179 Lord. I've heard a lot of distressing NDEs or 00:16:28.179 --> 00:16:30.620 hellish experiences, whatever we want to call 00:16:30.620 --> 00:16:34.940 them. The researchers say they're probably 10 00:16:34.940 --> 00:16:38.659 to 15 percent. of all the near -death experiences. 00:16:39.299 --> 00:16:41.059 For some reason, we've had quite a few on the 00:16:41.059 --> 00:16:44.220 show recently. I don't know why that is. I don't 00:16:44.220 --> 00:16:46.840 know if it's a big word of warning out there 00:16:46.840 --> 00:16:49.919 to everybody or just what it is. That's not for 00:16:49.919 --> 00:16:52.980 me to say. And everybody describes it differently 00:16:52.980 --> 00:16:55.720 though. Even you had two different experiences. 00:16:56.320 --> 00:16:59.220 The thing that stands out to me as kind of extra 00:16:59.220 --> 00:17:02.519 terrifying is just how loud that roar of fire 00:17:02.519 --> 00:17:05.750 was. Mean I can just kind of picture that in 00:17:05.750 --> 00:17:10.190 my mind is whoa Yeah, and it wasn't just like 00:17:10.190 --> 00:17:13.630 where I had a dream people have dreams of hell 00:17:13.630 --> 00:17:17.109 all the time But I think what anchored it in 00:17:17.109 --> 00:17:19.670 for me just to let God know because God's so 00:17:19.670 --> 00:17:22.250 smart He's like, you know, I'm gonna make sure 00:17:22.250 --> 00:17:24.369 you know where you're at Randy. You're gonna 00:17:24.369 --> 00:17:28.730 hear hell as well Deafening roar of fire. I don't 00:17:28.730 --> 00:17:33.339 know how to explain it and also with God In the 00:17:33.339 --> 00:17:35.680 supernatural realm, everything was just more 00:17:35.680 --> 00:17:39.380 vivid with my eyesight. And the strangest thing, 00:17:39.539 --> 00:17:42.420 I knew my body was back up on the earth. And 00:17:42.420 --> 00:17:45.119 that's when the regret and the sorrow, and I 00:17:45.119 --> 00:17:47.880 said to myself, I'm too late. What have I done? 00:17:48.099 --> 00:17:51.460 What have I done? Is it ever too late? No, as 00:17:51.460 --> 00:17:53.859 long as we have breath. The Bible says today 00:17:53.859 --> 00:17:56.619 is the day of salvation. Turn to the Lord Jesus 00:17:56.619 --> 00:17:59.579 Christ, because we could get hit by a bus. We 00:17:59.579 --> 00:18:02.240 could die in our sleep. We could fall off a ladder. 00:18:02.460 --> 00:18:05.500 So as long as we're breathing, trusting the Lord 00:18:05.500 --> 00:18:08.640 in His goodness, no man comes to the Father but 00:18:08.640 --> 00:18:11.160 through Jesus Christ. You mentioned that when 00:18:11.160 --> 00:18:14.539 you were 12, you didn't feel any fear. When you 00:18:14.539 --> 00:18:17.980 were 22, did you feel fear? It sounds like it. 00:18:18.299 --> 00:18:21.339 Fear is not the word. Hysterical terror, I would 00:18:21.339 --> 00:18:24.480 say, is the best I can describe it. Right on 00:18:24.480 --> 00:18:28.319 the edge of insanity with terror. Terrible. Terrible. 00:18:28.640 --> 00:18:30.880 Was there any point that you felt like you went 00:18:30.880 --> 00:18:34.359 to some kind of a heavenly place or felt God's 00:18:34.359 --> 00:18:37.680 love or was it just the fact that you woke up 00:18:37.680 --> 00:18:40.880 out of it? During the experience when I overdosed? 00:18:41.259 --> 00:18:45.000 Either one. During those two experiences? No. 00:18:45.319 --> 00:18:47.880 Okay, we'll talk about another experience in 00:18:47.880 --> 00:18:50.980 a minute that does go down that direction a little 00:18:50.980 --> 00:18:53.599 bit, but I just want to finish up on these before 00:18:53.599 --> 00:18:57.509 we move on. Physically, What happened to your 00:18:57.509 --> 00:19:01.750 body after the overdose? Were you just fine when 00:19:01.750 --> 00:19:04.650 you woke up in the morning? Did you have some 00:19:04.650 --> 00:19:08.269 after -effects? When I woke up and I popped up 00:19:08.269 --> 00:19:12.009 and it was morning time in my spirit I was like 00:19:12.009 --> 00:19:15.849 completely sober Clear mind clear -minded and 00:19:15.849 --> 00:19:18.430 in my head and when I was there, I was clear 00:19:18.430 --> 00:19:23.329 -minded in my head So that experiences was so 00:19:23.480 --> 00:19:25.900 You know, like if somebody's drunk or something 00:19:25.900 --> 00:19:28.180 and they have an accident, they become completely 00:19:28.180 --> 00:19:31.680 sober. I was completely sharp, you know, minded 00:19:31.680 --> 00:19:35.980 with everything. And I can remember for up to 00:19:35.980 --> 00:19:39.359 a week, just at the strangest times, I would 00:19:39.359 --> 00:19:44.799 hear at the low, the fire audibly, not in my 00:19:44.799 --> 00:19:47.519 head, but I could hear it. I would just kind 00:19:47.519 --> 00:19:50.390 of shake a little bit. And I think God just loved 00:19:50.390 --> 00:19:55.190 that as a remnant to prepare me. And just a subtle 00:19:55.190 --> 00:19:57.609 warning like, hey, Randy, yeah, that place you 00:19:57.609 --> 00:19:59.890 heard with that fire, yeah, it's there. Let me 00:19:59.890 --> 00:20:01.630 just give you a quick reminder in case you just 00:20:01.630 --> 00:20:04.269 try to play it off. Let me just remind you. Here's 00:20:04.269 --> 00:20:06.190 what I'm trying to put together in my own mind. 00:20:07.089 --> 00:20:09.329 Some people have these NDEs that are absolutely 00:20:09.329 --> 00:20:14.670 beautiful and they feel so much incredible love, 00:20:14.809 --> 00:20:18.230 love of God. and they come back and that guides 00:20:18.230 --> 00:20:21.109 them through their life. And what you're telling 00:20:21.109 --> 00:20:24.650 me is experiences that you had were more like 00:20:24.650 --> 00:20:27.769 the opposite, like I'm going to do good because 00:20:27.769 --> 00:20:31.970 I know how bad hell is. Me doing good or nothing, 00:20:32.130 --> 00:20:35.630 it's nothing about that. You know, Jesus, you 00:20:35.630 --> 00:20:38.369 know, talked about a lot about heaven and Jesus 00:20:38.369 --> 00:20:41.970 talked about hell a lot, but Jesus talked about 00:20:41.970 --> 00:20:45.519 hell twice as much as He did of heaven. So I 00:20:45.519 --> 00:20:48.339 think obviously Jesus must have done that for 00:20:48.339 --> 00:20:51.680 a reason. We all have a purpose. My good deeds 00:20:51.680 --> 00:20:54.559 is a dirty rag, so I'm not trying to earn my 00:20:54.559 --> 00:20:57.240 way to salvation. It's because of what Jesus 00:20:57.240 --> 00:21:00.279 did on the cross. His blood sacrificed for me 00:21:00.279 --> 00:21:02.519 that He can cleanse my sins so I can be with 00:21:02.519 --> 00:21:06.420 Him in heaven. And then maybe somebody listening 00:21:06.420 --> 00:21:10.019 to you will not take my words, but take the words 00:21:10.019 --> 00:21:12.740 of Jesus. trust in Jesus. The Bible says those 00:21:12.740 --> 00:21:15.000 that call upon the name of the Lord will be saved. 00:21:15.759 --> 00:21:18.799 And some people, God just has, you know, to roll 00:21:18.799 --> 00:21:21.900 up his sleeves and get to work to fix the stupid. 00:21:22.400 --> 00:21:25.880 To fix the stupid. Okay. How was the other way 00:21:25.880 --> 00:21:29.200 you put it earlier? Cosmically stupid? Galactically 00:21:29.200 --> 00:21:32.940 stupid. Galactically stupid. I love that term. 00:21:33.400 --> 00:21:36.039 And we all fit that from time to time. Thank 00:21:36.039 --> 00:21:37.720 you for all of that. We're going to go down a 00:21:37.720 --> 00:21:41.619 little bit different path now, and this is something 00:21:41.619 --> 00:21:43.579 that we don't usually get into on this show. 00:21:43.700 --> 00:21:46.160 We try to stick with near -death experiences, 00:21:46.720 --> 00:21:50.440 but from time to time talk about related experiences 00:21:50.440 --> 00:21:54.460 to near -death experiences, and those are categorized 00:21:54.460 --> 00:21:57.359 as there are shared -death experiences, out -of 00:21:57.359 --> 00:22:00.180 -body experiences, spiritually transformative 00:22:00.180 --> 00:22:04.000 experiences, and probably a few more that I just 00:22:04.000 --> 00:22:07.400 can't name at this point. But you had an interesting 00:22:07.400 --> 00:22:11.339 and very positive out -of -body experience at 00:22:11.339 --> 00:22:14.420 one point. This actually happened to you in church? 00:22:14.640 --> 00:22:17.220 It did. Would you tell us what happened that 00:22:17.220 --> 00:22:19.400 time? Sure. And just right before I say that, 00:22:19.400 --> 00:22:22.299 you know, it's funny, at least funny to me how, 00:22:22.299 --> 00:22:26.140 or strange how Jesus spoke of hell twice as much. 00:22:26.519 --> 00:22:29.960 So two to one versus, you know, the glories of 00:22:29.960 --> 00:22:33.349 heaven. I've had two experiences in hell and 00:22:33.349 --> 00:22:35.829 one of heaven. I find that kind of interesting. 00:22:36.390 --> 00:22:41.589 But when I was 14, I spent the night with my 00:22:41.589 --> 00:22:44.769 grandmother and my step -grandfather. I think 00:22:44.769 --> 00:22:48.190 it was out for the summer. We went to a church, 00:22:48.190 --> 00:22:52.210 a church service. And I remember a big auditorium, 00:22:52.509 --> 00:22:55.289 lots of people, lots of people. And that day, 00:22:55.710 --> 00:22:58.930 they had a guest speaker to give the sermon. 00:22:59.480 --> 00:23:02.460 Well, Big Church, so he gave his sermon, and 00:23:02.460 --> 00:23:05.519 I remember at the end, he started talking like, 00:23:05.940 --> 00:23:08.579 hey, closing up if anybody needs any type of 00:23:08.579 --> 00:23:11.500 prayer or anything to come forward so that he 00:23:11.500 --> 00:23:13.759 could pray for them. A lot of people went up, 00:23:13.799 --> 00:23:17.119 but when I was sitting there, not to be funny, 00:23:17.680 --> 00:23:20.240 but as a 14 -year -old boy, certain things that 00:23:20.240 --> 00:23:23.160 14 -year -old boys feel guilty about. So, you 00:23:23.160 --> 00:23:25.200 know, I wanted to just go up there, you know, 00:23:25.359 --> 00:23:27.859 confess my sins and just ask for prayer for it. 00:23:28.549 --> 00:23:31.730 So lots of people went up to the church, 50, 00:23:31.769 --> 00:23:34.529 60 people or more, and he started at the far 00:23:34.529 --> 00:23:37.710 end, and me and my grandfather went up also, 00:23:37.710 --> 00:23:40.109 and we were at the other end opposite of him. 00:23:40.430 --> 00:23:43.190 So they all lined up, and I noticed when the 00:23:43.190 --> 00:23:45.930 guest speaker went to the first person, there 00:23:45.930 --> 00:23:48.970 were like two bigger gentlemen, and he was doing 00:23:48.970 --> 00:23:50.950 something very strange. He would go up to them, 00:23:50.970 --> 00:23:53.670 talk to them for a second. He laid his hand on 00:23:53.670 --> 00:23:56.990 them, and he'd pray for a minute, and they would... 00:23:56.670 --> 00:24:00.829 fall backwards unconscious, and then the two 00:24:00.829 --> 00:24:03.670 guys behind the person would gently lay him down, 00:24:04.029 --> 00:24:06.190 and the women of the church, they would lay like 00:24:06.190 --> 00:24:08.869 a little blue blanket over him. And this just 00:24:08.869 --> 00:24:11.890 blew my mind, like, what? Where am I at? What 00:24:11.890 --> 00:24:14.349 is going on? This is just so strange. I've never 00:24:14.349 --> 00:24:17.190 seen anything like this. And I'm just watching 00:24:17.190 --> 00:24:20.990 in amazement, and one by one, without fail, he 00:24:20.990 --> 00:24:24.190 would lay his hands on him, pray, and they would 00:24:24.190 --> 00:24:29.180 just fall out unconscious. incredible 14 year 00:24:29.180 --> 00:24:32.940 old like what it was just so strange and funny 00:24:32.940 --> 00:24:36.099 to me well he kept getting closer and I kept 00:24:36.099 --> 00:24:39.519 just watching him more intently and my grandfather 00:24:39.519 --> 00:24:42.180 he was the second to the last and I'm the last 00:24:42.180 --> 00:24:45.180 person so he starts praying for Willie and he 00:24:45.180 --> 00:24:48.940 has these big thick glasses and he prays for 00:24:48.940 --> 00:24:50.940 him and I thought was the funniest thing his 00:24:50.940 --> 00:24:55.490 glasses just go flying over his head And he goes 00:24:55.490 --> 00:24:59.009 unconscious, still just, you know, in bewilderment 00:24:59.009 --> 00:25:02.789 and lay down, put a blanket on him. And just, 00:25:02.789 --> 00:25:05.490 oh my, he comes to me and he didn't even have 00:25:05.490 --> 00:25:08.670 time to pray. As soon as he put his hand on me, 00:25:09.009 --> 00:25:12.250 I was out. And like, in the Bible it says, in 00:25:12.250 --> 00:25:15.230 the body or out of the body, I do not know. I 00:25:15.230 --> 00:25:17.990 believe it was John. He was taken and, you know, 00:25:18.130 --> 00:25:23.039 shown a vision. I'm out. And the real me, I am 00:25:23.039 --> 00:25:29.519 standing in a white sea of light, an ocean of 00:25:29.519 --> 00:25:33.579 light, endless, no beginning, no end. The funny 00:25:33.579 --> 00:25:36.619 thing with this light though, it's kind of a 00:25:36.619 --> 00:25:40.119 contradiction because this light was so bright 00:25:40.119 --> 00:25:42.339 and so pure, it should have blinded me, it should 00:25:42.339 --> 00:25:46.259 have been a blinding light, but it didn't blind 00:25:46.259 --> 00:25:50.420 me. Not only was I in this ocean of white light 00:25:50.420 --> 00:25:54.119 that didn't blind me, The light was alive. I 00:25:54.119 --> 00:25:56.880 don't know how to explain it, but the light was 00:25:56.880 --> 00:25:59.579 moving and pulsating, just like pulsating with 00:25:59.579 --> 00:26:04.859 just unimaginable, godly energy. I was standing 00:26:04.859 --> 00:26:07.339 there, but I was standing in the light, but I 00:26:07.339 --> 00:26:09.819 wasn't standing on a floor. I was standing in 00:26:09.819 --> 00:26:12.880 the light and I became one with the light. I 00:26:12.880 --> 00:26:15.039 said, God's on the other side of that light. 00:26:15.359 --> 00:26:19.000 I didn't know how far God was away. I said, man, 00:26:19.019 --> 00:26:22.089 if I can just walk. through this light, I can 00:26:22.089 --> 00:26:26.890 get to the Father. I began walking in this light, 00:26:27.210 --> 00:26:30.390 and then as soon as I started walking, boom, 00:26:30.410 --> 00:26:35.670 God put my spirit back in my body. I'm paralyzed 00:26:35.670 --> 00:26:39.190 on the floor, but I have this perfect peace over 00:26:39.190 --> 00:26:42.390 me. I didn't have any control of my body. I couldn't 00:26:42.390 --> 00:26:45.549 open my eyes. I couldn't move, but I could hear 00:26:45.549 --> 00:26:48.509 the people in the church, and I'm like in this 00:26:48.559 --> 00:26:52.059 perfect peace soaking it in. So then eventually, 00:26:52.480 --> 00:26:54.119 you know, they helped me up and I get back to 00:26:54.119 --> 00:26:58.059 my seat. And just bewildered by the experience, 00:26:58.319 --> 00:27:01.380 but I don't know what everybody else saw, but 00:27:01.380 --> 00:27:04.819 that's what God showed me. And I can honestly 00:27:04.819 --> 00:27:08.079 say, I think God did that just, well, I know 00:27:08.079 --> 00:27:10.539 he foreknew all the trouble I was going to get 00:27:10.539 --> 00:27:14.700 into, all the things, just to give me a glimpse 00:27:14.700 --> 00:27:18.039 of hope. Say, Hey, Randy, hell's real, but so 00:27:18.039 --> 00:27:21.309 what? Heaven is real, too. I believe that's why 00:27:21.309 --> 00:27:24.130 He allowed me to experience that. You mentioned 00:27:24.130 --> 00:27:27.230 that you didn't know what everybody else saw. 00:27:27.769 --> 00:27:29.950 Did you talk to your grandfather, though, about 00:27:29.950 --> 00:27:33.630 his experience there? No, I was just overwhelmed 00:27:33.630 --> 00:27:36.569 by everything, and I hadn't talked about it for 00:27:36.569 --> 00:27:39.750 years. Like, how do you explain this to people? 00:27:39.829 --> 00:27:44.009 So I kept it secret. You know, I kept it to myself. 00:27:44.690 --> 00:27:46.170 Yeah, why do you feel like you need to share 00:27:46.170 --> 00:27:50.420 it now? Well, God's revealed to me that we all 00:27:50.420 --> 00:27:53.660 need to help bring people to Christ. We're all 00:27:53.660 --> 00:27:55.740 called to do that, to share the gospel and our 00:27:55.740 --> 00:27:58.559 testimony. Maybe just to give hope to somebody. 00:27:58.859 --> 00:28:01.559 Maybe there's an agnostic listening to this or 00:28:01.559 --> 00:28:04.859 an atheist or somebody that doesn't know the 00:28:04.859 --> 00:28:09.220 Lord, a Hindu or a Buddhist or a Muslim. And 00:28:09.220 --> 00:28:11.440 I would just say, trust in Jesus Christ. Don't 00:28:11.440 --> 00:28:14.779 trust my words. Call upon the Lord. God won't 00:28:14.779 --> 00:28:17.220 let you down. Test the Lord. He's near to though, 00:28:17.240 --> 00:28:19.599 all we have to do is call upon him and he's no 00:28:19.599 --> 00:28:22.539 respecter of persons. I'm nobody special. I just 00:28:22.539 --> 00:28:24.619 want to share my experience to let you know that 00:28:24.619 --> 00:28:27.539 he's special, not me. Wow, that's a perfect ending 00:28:27.539 --> 00:28:30.140 to this interview. But I have one last question 00:28:30.140 --> 00:28:33.039 real quick. How much fear of death do you have? 00:28:33.480 --> 00:28:36.859 Now? None. The staying, the fear of death. I 00:28:36.859 --> 00:28:39.940 look forward one day being called home to heaven. 00:28:40.200 --> 00:28:43.480 I know I'll be with the Lord one day, so I'm 00:28:43.480 --> 00:28:47.740 happy to do this now. No more fear. Perfect love 00:28:47.740 --> 00:28:50.500 casts out all fear. And Jesus is perfect love. 00:28:50.839 --> 00:28:53.000 Randy, I really appreciate you sharing with us 00:28:53.000 --> 00:28:55.400 today. Thank you. Yes, sir. Thank you for having 00:28:55.400 --> 00:29:01.599 me. Thanks again for listening and sharing this 00:29:01.599 --> 00:29:04.539 podcast. Don't forget to hit the follow or subscribe 00:29:04.539 --> 00:29:07.319 button and sign up for our newsletter at roundtripdeath 00:29:07.319 --> 00:29:10.829 .com. If you want to share your near -death experience, 00:29:11.329 --> 00:29:13.089 or if you have questions or comments about the 00:29:13.089 --> 00:29:15.970 show, send an email to eric at roundtripdeath 00:29:15.970 --> 00:29:19.170 .com. Until then, I wish you everything good 00:29:19.170 --> 00:29:21.470 that you're looking for in this life and the 00:29:21.470 --> 00:29:21.849 next.