WEBVTT 00:00:03.719 --> 00:00:06.719 From the time that they pronounced me dead was 00:00:06.719 --> 00:00:10.220 a good 45 minutes. They cut my clothes and then 00:00:10.220 --> 00:00:13.439 they paddled my heart, my heart had stopped and 00:00:13.439 --> 00:00:16.620 I could see people screaming and crying but I 00:00:16.620 --> 00:00:18.600 didn't realize that was actually my physical 00:00:18.600 --> 00:00:22.019 body because I was somewhere else. The only thing 00:00:22.019 --> 00:00:25.399 that I could feel if you could imagine absolute 00:00:25.399 --> 00:00:28.500 love and peace there wasn't anything else to 00:00:28.500 --> 00:00:31.600 be felt. I was greeted by people I'd known in 00:00:31.600 --> 00:00:35.079 the past. I'm back home again. Incredibly safe 00:00:35.079 --> 00:00:40.600 and felt at home. Welcome, welcome to Round Trip 00:00:40.600 --> 00:00:43.159 Death, everybody. And hey, we have a cool guest 00:00:43.159 --> 00:00:46.259 today, Terrence Sheehan. Yeah, Sheehan, S -H 00:00:46.259 --> 00:00:49.579 -E -E -H -A -N. Terrence Sheehan coming to us 00:00:49.579 --> 00:00:52.460 all the way from Michigan in the United States. 00:00:52.679 --> 00:00:55.020 And Terrence, how you doing today? Doing well. 00:00:55.060 --> 00:00:59.090 Glad to be here. Good. Well... Wow, you had a 00:00:59.090 --> 00:01:01.810 dramatic car crash we're going to be talking 00:01:01.810 --> 00:01:05.030 about in just a minute, and an NDE, and before 00:01:05.030 --> 00:01:08.549 we jump into that, who is Terrence? Let our audience 00:01:08.549 --> 00:01:10.730 get to know you a little bit. Music's been a 00:01:10.730 --> 00:01:13.849 big part of my life. I went to Full Sail in 1992 00:01:13.849 --> 00:01:17.890 and graduated in 1993 with an audiovisual degree. 00:01:18.549 --> 00:01:21.150 Music and technology has been a big part of my 00:01:21.150 --> 00:01:25.590 life. So during the early 90s through the 90s 00:01:25.590 --> 00:01:29.109 to about 2000, I did recording for bands and 00:01:29.109 --> 00:01:31.730 things like that. And then as that kind of dried 00:01:31.730 --> 00:01:34.250 up, as people started to go to the home recording 00:01:34.250 --> 00:01:37.730 studios, I went into more of a website based 00:01:37.730 --> 00:01:40.730 business and did SEO. And so my business now 00:01:40.730 --> 00:01:43.489 is I'm an SEO consultant for Google. I also do 00:01:43.489 --> 00:01:45.790 multimedia productions for businesses and things 00:01:45.790 --> 00:01:47.989 like that. But I still have the music going always 00:01:47.989 --> 00:01:51.159 on the side. Okay, just in case people want it 00:01:51.159 --> 00:01:53.799 want to reach out to you whether it's for that 00:01:53.799 --> 00:01:56.920 or anything else If you don't mind we'll stick 00:01:56.920 --> 00:01:59.959 a link in the show notes later on so people can 00:01:59.959 --> 00:02:03.579 reach out to you, but Let's jump into it. Let's 00:02:03.579 --> 00:02:06.760 go back a few years. Well about 20 years. You 00:02:06.760 --> 00:02:10.159 know Tell me what led up to this tragic day where 00:02:10.159 --> 00:02:14.000 you had this horrific accident Okay, so just 00:02:14.000 --> 00:02:18.479 a little of that day, which was June 16th 2004 00:02:18.750 --> 00:02:21.689 I was just recently separated from my wife at 00:02:21.689 --> 00:02:24.430 the time and I had just gone to Davison, which 00:02:24.430 --> 00:02:27.090 is about 20 miles from Grand Blanc to pick up 00:02:27.090 --> 00:02:30.490 my son to bring him over for the weekend. And 00:02:30.490 --> 00:02:32.729 we were, it was a bright sunny day and we were 00:02:32.729 --> 00:02:34.409 on a road called McCandlish Road in Grand Blanc, 00:02:34.509 --> 00:02:37.250 which is, it's got hills up and down the road 00:02:37.250 --> 00:02:40.389 and it's a 55 mile an hour two lane road, a rural 00:02:40.389 --> 00:02:42.469 road that is paved. We were coming towards Grand 00:02:42.469 --> 00:02:45.150 Blanc towards our place. I came over a hill and 00:02:45.150 --> 00:02:47.009 there was a Lowe's truck parked on the side of 00:02:47.009 --> 00:02:49.569 the road, the opposite side. unloading furniture 00:02:49.569 --> 00:02:52.629 and the view was kind of obscured and the truck 00:02:52.629 --> 00:02:55.870 was partially in the road so it had I assume 00:02:55.870 --> 00:02:58.669 it had its you know little adult warning thing 00:02:58.669 --> 00:03:00.770 up in behind it so it was partially though in 00:03:00.770 --> 00:03:03.469 the other lane of traffic. Well when we came 00:03:03.469 --> 00:03:06.409 over the hill there was the truck there and out 00:03:06.409 --> 00:03:09.090 of the blue I mean I was going 55 miles an hour 00:03:09.090 --> 00:03:11.789 a full -size Yukon and we were in a two -door 00:03:11.789 --> 00:03:15.430 Saturn coupe I'll just add an SC2 Saturn so it 00:03:15.430 --> 00:03:19.030 was a two -door car and a full -size Yukon Apparently 00:03:19.030 --> 00:03:22.750 she lost her attention span or whatever and crossed 00:03:22.750 --> 00:03:25.770 across the center line and I maybe had one second 00:03:25.770 --> 00:03:28.729 of braking and then we hit full impact 55 miles 00:03:28.729 --> 00:03:31.819 an hour each way. the car did a 360 in the air 00:03:31.819 --> 00:03:34.680 from what the witnesses said and my son was in 00:03:34.680 --> 00:03:37.599 the car with me so you know it was a day I'll 00:03:37.599 --> 00:03:40.060 never forget. At the time of the accident when 00:03:40.060 --> 00:03:41.919 I came to and we'll get through whatever questions 00:03:41.919 --> 00:03:44.099 you want to know about that but I didn't even 00:03:44.099 --> 00:03:46.860 know he was in the car once I finally came came 00:03:46.860 --> 00:03:49.460 to in the car you know when I finally came back 00:03:49.460 --> 00:03:51.400 to my senses which I wouldn't call my senses 00:03:51.400 --> 00:03:55.319 I was not for a serious loop obviously from that 00:03:55.319 --> 00:03:57.599 impact and lucky to be here so every day is a 00:03:57.599 --> 00:04:00.060 blessing from there. That was one of the things 00:04:00.060 --> 00:04:02.180 actually that caught my attention in the email 00:04:02.180 --> 00:04:04.900 that you sent me was that you had a two -year 00:04:04.900 --> 00:04:09.219 -old son in the car Yeah, and after your experience 00:04:09.219 --> 00:04:12.139 and you're kind of waking up. It's almost like 00:04:12.139 --> 00:04:15.060 a computer reset I think when our brains have 00:04:15.060 --> 00:04:18.180 to figure out what's going on. What did your 00:04:18.180 --> 00:04:21.079 two -year -old say to you? Okay, so here's how 00:04:21.079 --> 00:04:24.199 it went you know from my recollection so like 00:04:24.199 --> 00:04:26.680 I remember I remember maybe having one second 00:04:26.680 --> 00:04:29.379 to break and and I the car was on me you know 00:04:29.379 --> 00:04:32.480 it just out of nowhere was there it was and what 00:04:32.480 --> 00:04:35.399 happened was is all of a sudden I just I remember 00:04:35.399 --> 00:04:38.319 a white flash I know you hear this a lot but 00:04:38.319 --> 00:04:41.240 there was a white flash of light at that point 00:04:41.240 --> 00:04:44.199 now I've since come to understand what actually 00:04:44.199 --> 00:04:46.920 happened but as I mentioned to you in our conversation 00:04:46.920 --> 00:04:50.519 I had a perspective of being over the vehicle 00:04:50.839 --> 00:04:53.259 Sort of like a drone view, but I could see down 00:04:53.259 --> 00:04:55.699 on the accident I could see my car kind of in 00:04:55.699 --> 00:04:58.480 the middle of the road people kind of milling 00:04:58.480 --> 00:05:00.779 around I could see that the Yukon was in the 00:05:00.779 --> 00:05:03.160 ditch I could see people that were looking but 00:05:03.160 --> 00:05:04.899 not really getting too close because you know 00:05:04.899 --> 00:05:07.860 It was a fresh accident the next thing that I 00:05:07.860 --> 00:05:10.319 actually remember after that. I've mentioned 00:05:10.319 --> 00:05:13.180 this to many people It's like I was out of body 00:05:13.180 --> 00:05:16.060 experience there and then the next thing I remember, 00:05:16.060 --> 00:05:19.360 you know in this process is I was violently thrown 00:05:19.360 --> 00:05:21.600 back into my body. It wasn't like, you know, 00:05:21.600 --> 00:05:24.259 I came to in the car and I was just there. My 00:05:24.259 --> 00:05:27.680 soul was out of body was like thrown back into 00:05:27.680 --> 00:05:29.819 my body. It was like a violent experience. I 00:05:29.819 --> 00:05:32.819 mean, that's how I remember it. So after that 00:05:32.819 --> 00:05:35.759 happened, I came to and it gets me kind of worked 00:05:35.759 --> 00:05:38.959 up just thinking about this, but I came to in 00:05:38.959 --> 00:05:41.379 the car and I didn't know where I was. I had 00:05:41.379 --> 00:05:44.019 no idea or any idea what was going on. I just 00:05:44.019 --> 00:05:46.079 thought maybe I was in a dream. You know, that's 00:05:46.079 --> 00:05:49.769 kind of how it felt to me. As I started to realize 00:05:49.769 --> 00:05:51.790 I wasn't in a dream I could see there was smoke, 00:05:52.129 --> 00:05:54.689 milling around in the cabin of the car. And I 00:05:54.689 --> 00:05:57.170 realized I was in a car accident or in a car 00:05:57.170 --> 00:05:59.529 that was smoking and I didn't know how I got 00:05:59.529 --> 00:06:02.110 there or anything at that point. So I immediately 00:06:02.110 --> 00:06:03.970 panicked because it seemed like maybe a fire 00:06:03.970 --> 00:06:07.490 was on in it. And so for God knows why I was 00:06:07.490 --> 00:06:09.970 able to get my car door open. It's still even 00:06:09.970 --> 00:06:11.990 after that huge impact that I was able to get 00:06:11.990 --> 00:06:15.220 my door open on my driver's side. I tried to 00:06:15.220 --> 00:06:17.800 get out but I didn't realize all my ribs are 00:06:17.800 --> 00:06:20.160 broken, both my hands are broken, my hip was 00:06:20.160 --> 00:06:24.120 shattered, all my ribs, closed head injury. I 00:06:24.120 --> 00:06:26.579 was able to try to get out of the car but since 00:06:26.579 --> 00:06:29.040 my hip was shattered I couldn't stand up or anything 00:06:29.040 --> 00:06:32.160 so I fell out with my legs still in the car onto 00:06:32.160 --> 00:06:35.240 the pavement. Once I got the door open I fell 00:06:35.240 --> 00:06:37.379 butt first onto the pavement with my legs still 00:06:37.379 --> 00:06:41.180 in the car. this is where it gets really crazy 00:06:41.180 --> 00:06:43.600 is I was on the ground you know kind of coming 00:06:43.600 --> 00:06:46.339 to and I could see people are in the in the vicinity 00:06:46.339 --> 00:06:48.620 you know looking around and I realized that you 00:06:48.620 --> 00:06:50.939 know I was at that point I finally put two and 00:06:50.939 --> 00:06:53.180 two together I was in a car accident from the 00:06:53.180 --> 00:06:56.259 backseat I heard and my son was too I heard daddy 00:06:56.259 --> 00:06:59.699 are you all right and I was like what is that 00:06:59.699 --> 00:07:02.899 and you know and then again he said it daddy 00:07:02.899 --> 00:07:05.319 are you all right so It was a two -door coupe 00:07:05.319 --> 00:07:07.139 so I looked behind the seat and I could see he 00:07:07.139 --> 00:07:09.560 was in his baby seat and his whole face was full 00:07:09.560 --> 00:07:12.379 of blood and he was asking me if I was alright. 00:07:13.300 --> 00:07:16.079 So that put me into another panic because I realized 00:07:16.079 --> 00:07:18.879 he was in the car and the car was smoking like 00:07:18.879 --> 00:07:21.699 I said so I was already very fearful about a 00:07:21.699 --> 00:07:25.060 fire and there was a guy that I said was a bystander 00:07:25.060 --> 00:07:28.120 standing maybe 20 yards from me looking right 00:07:28.120 --> 00:07:30.560 at me and I said please help me get my son out 00:07:30.560 --> 00:07:32.819 of the car there's going to be a fire. Please 00:07:32.819 --> 00:07:34.160 help me get him out of the car. But you know 00:07:34.160 --> 00:07:36.399 how people are. They're hesitant to help. So 00:07:36.399 --> 00:07:38.980 he didn't initially. And then I really forcefully 00:07:38.980 --> 00:07:40.740 somehow connected with him spiritually. And I 00:07:40.740 --> 00:07:43.139 said, please help me get my son out of the car. 00:07:43.259 --> 00:07:44.620 You know, it's going to be a fire. I need to 00:07:44.620 --> 00:07:47.819 get him out. So he came over and got my son out 00:07:47.819 --> 00:07:51.019 of the car. And as soon as Gavin is my son's 00:07:51.019 --> 00:07:53.560 name, as soon as he got out of the car, I passed 00:07:53.560 --> 00:07:56.480 out. As soon as I knew he was safe out of the 00:07:56.480 --> 00:07:58.939 car, I just, all everything, the trauma hit me 00:07:58.939 --> 00:08:01.730 at that point. At that point, I don't remember 00:08:01.730 --> 00:08:03.689 a lot about the scene other than I know they 00:08:03.689 --> 00:08:05.629 showed up and the paramedics were working on 00:08:05.629 --> 00:08:08.230 me and got us in the ambulance and all that. 00:08:08.449 --> 00:08:10.050 And Gavin rode in the ambulance and one of the 00:08:10.050 --> 00:08:13.009 paramedics held him. For that time between the 00:08:13.009 --> 00:08:14.649 time that they got me prepared to get in the 00:08:14.649 --> 00:08:16.389 ambulance and then we started to go to the hospital, 00:08:16.649 --> 00:08:18.870 there's kind of a blackout period there. And 00:08:18.870 --> 00:08:21.110 then I wake up in the ambulance and I realize 00:08:21.110 --> 00:08:24.110 we're on the way to the hospital. I have asthma. 00:08:24.439 --> 00:08:26.759 All my ribs were broken and it just felt like 00:08:26.759 --> 00:08:29.439 mush in my chest. So I was pretty sure I wasn't 00:08:29.439 --> 00:08:31.740 going to make it. You know, I was just, they 00:08:31.740 --> 00:08:33.820 were asking me questions and things. And Gavin 00:08:33.820 --> 00:08:36.440 was really traumatized by just seeing me injured. 00:08:36.840 --> 00:08:39.860 The fact that he didn't sustain major, huge injuries 00:08:39.860 --> 00:08:42.799 is, I have no idea how, you know, we had a great 00:08:42.799 --> 00:08:46.440 baby seat, but I have no idea how he ended up 00:08:46.440 --> 00:08:48.320 being able to get out of the hospital later that 00:08:48.320 --> 00:08:51.600 same day. He just had a broken lip where his 00:08:51.600 --> 00:08:53.580 teeth went through his lip and they were able 00:08:53.580 --> 00:08:56.340 to stitch that back up. But I wasn't so fortunate. 00:08:57.100 --> 00:08:58.779 Well, yeah, I was just going to ask you about 00:08:58.779 --> 00:09:03.179 the injuries to your son. That's yeah, those 00:09:03.179 --> 00:09:06.440 child seats are awesome. And that's fantastic 00:09:06.440 --> 00:09:09.639 that he wasn't hurt worse. It's a total miracle 00:09:09.639 --> 00:09:12.259 without a doubt. I mean, I have a picture that 00:09:12.259 --> 00:09:13.700 I don't know if you can see on the screen there. 00:09:13.919 --> 00:09:17.429 There's the there's the car. you know, after 00:09:17.429 --> 00:09:19.309 the accident. But I have some other pictures 00:09:19.309 --> 00:09:21.590 I can share with you later. Yeah, it's a total 00:09:21.590 --> 00:09:22.789 miracle. And if anything would have happened 00:09:22.789 --> 00:09:24.789 to him, he's my only son. So I don't know what 00:09:24.789 --> 00:09:27.070 my life would have become if something had happened 00:09:27.070 --> 00:09:30.450 to him. But just the experience of having him 00:09:30.450 --> 00:09:32.110 say, daddy, are you all right? Now we're talking 00:09:32.110 --> 00:09:33.950 about a two -year -old. He was about to be three. 00:09:33.990 --> 00:09:38.309 His birthday is June 28th. So he was just about 00:09:38.309 --> 00:09:41.990 to be three years old. He was born in 2001. And 00:09:41.990 --> 00:09:44.269 I can't imagine how helpless of a feeling that 00:09:44.269 --> 00:09:46.309 must have been when you're barely conscious, 00:09:46.750 --> 00:09:49.470 you can't stand up. So there's no way you can 00:09:49.470 --> 00:09:53.090 help your own child. And thankfully, someone 00:09:53.090 --> 00:09:56.129 was willing to respond and help out. Exactly 00:09:56.129 --> 00:09:58.129 and the thing that they say about the spirit 00:09:58.129 --> 00:10:00.350 being able to connect now i know no one really 00:10:00.350 --> 00:10:02.830 wants to get involved in an accident scene but 00:10:02.830 --> 00:10:04.990 the person that i don't even know the guy is 00:10:04.990 --> 00:10:07.289 if i could ever thank him you know i would love 00:10:07.289 --> 00:10:09.429 to i don't know who is maybe someday reach out 00:10:09.429 --> 00:10:11.769 to see the show or something spirit to spirit 00:10:11.769 --> 00:10:13.570 i was able to connect with them and get him to 00:10:13.570 --> 00:10:16.850 do what i need done. Alright let's get to the 00:10:16.850 --> 00:10:19.450 point of this show which is the near -death experience 00:10:19.450 --> 00:10:22.789 part which. You talked about coming out of your 00:10:22.789 --> 00:10:25.669 body. Did you have any kind of feeling for time, 00:10:25.950 --> 00:10:28.809 like how long you think you were above looking 00:10:28.809 --> 00:10:32.470 down on the scene? Not really, except it probably 00:10:32.470 --> 00:10:36.909 wasn't a super long time because I have just 00:10:36.909 --> 00:10:39.610 this vision of the exact scene. I had enough 00:10:39.610 --> 00:10:43.049 time to look around and know that where I was, 00:10:43.370 --> 00:10:47.320 I knew the location. I knew my car, you know, 00:10:47.419 --> 00:10:49.019 so I would say it was a short period of time. 00:10:49.240 --> 00:10:51.480 I wouldn't say it was a tremendously long period 00:10:51.480 --> 00:10:55.519 of time, probably under a minute or 10, you know, 00:10:55.820 --> 00:10:58.700 in 10 to 30 seconds, maybe just enough to get 00:10:58.700 --> 00:11:02.179 an idea visually of that. I was not in the car 00:11:02.179 --> 00:11:04.960 and that my that I was above it. Sort of like 00:11:04.960 --> 00:11:07.240 I mentioned to you, like a drone view, but I 00:11:07.240 --> 00:11:09.600 saw it completely clearly and I could tell it, 00:11:09.600 --> 00:11:12.629 you know. That was my car and I could see the 00:11:12.629 --> 00:11:15.409 Yukon in the ditch and like I said, some of it 00:11:15.409 --> 00:11:17.950 seemed like a dream, but you know, that part 00:11:17.950 --> 00:11:21.190 is distinctly in my mind as far as a memory of 00:11:21.190 --> 00:11:24.129 seeing down on the accident. And the next thing 00:11:24.129 --> 00:11:26.090 I remember, like I mentioned to you earlier, 00:11:26.929 --> 00:11:29.330 was just like violently being thrown back into 00:11:29.330 --> 00:11:32.070 my body. Although, you know, I can't say that 00:11:32.070 --> 00:11:34.029 I was aware of what was going on, but I just 00:11:34.029 --> 00:11:36.840 remember. I just remember that feeling of like, 00:11:36.980 --> 00:11:38.820 it's almost like a second car accident when I 00:11:38.820 --> 00:11:40.759 feel like my soul came back into my body. It 00:11:40.759 --> 00:11:45.299 was like, it was not a gentle thing. It was very 00:11:45.299 --> 00:11:47.840 powerful. And it was like, I don't know if there 00:11:47.840 --> 00:11:50.500 was a message being sent by, you know, the maker 00:11:50.500 --> 00:11:52.379 above. I'm spiritual. I'm not hugely religious, 00:11:52.379 --> 00:11:56.500 but I feel like maybe I could have left this 00:11:56.500 --> 00:11:58.519 world, but maybe I wasn't done doing whatever 00:11:58.519 --> 00:12:01.190 I had to do. And also that maybe when I was throwing 00:12:01.190 --> 00:12:03.490 back my body, I was he was letting me know that 00:12:03.490 --> 00:12:05.409 maybe I hadn't lived correctly up to that point 00:12:05.409 --> 00:12:07.450 and that I had something else that I needed to 00:12:07.450 --> 00:12:10.049 do, which I've always contemplated might have 00:12:10.049 --> 00:12:12.129 been, you know, raising my son or, you know, 00:12:12.190 --> 00:12:14.990 the things I've done for people or music or whatever 00:12:14.990 --> 00:12:18.470 my life has went. But from that day forward and 00:12:18.470 --> 00:12:20.289 that moment forward, I've always felt like I 00:12:20.289 --> 00:12:23.009 was almost like a different person. That's that's 00:12:23.009 --> 00:12:25.029 cool. We'll talk about those changes in just 00:12:25.029 --> 00:12:27.659 a second. I want to stick with this being put 00:12:27.659 --> 00:12:30.000 back in your body for just a second. I don't 00:12:30.000 --> 00:12:32.320 know if you've studied many near -death experiences, 00:12:32.799 --> 00:12:36.419 but... I have not. It's a fairly typical thing 00:12:36.419 --> 00:12:40.580 for that to be sort of like you explained. The 00:12:40.580 --> 00:12:44.000 term that I hear the most is I was slammed back 00:12:44.000 --> 00:12:47.299 into my body. That is very accurate. That is 00:12:47.299 --> 00:12:50.700 very, very accurate. That is very typical. So 00:12:50.700 --> 00:12:53.580 I don't think I would interpret that as something 00:12:53.580 --> 00:12:56.620 from God saying, boom, I'm going to make this 00:12:56.620 --> 00:12:58.980 uncomfortable for you. I think that's a normal 00:12:58.980 --> 00:13:02.539 way of coming back into the body. It seems to 00:13:02.539 --> 00:13:06.419 be much softer and nicer coming out if people 00:13:06.419 --> 00:13:09.000 even remember the coming out part. I haven't 00:13:09.000 --> 00:13:10.600 really studied a lot in your death experiences. 00:13:10.659 --> 00:13:12.200 I'll be honest with you, I'm very interested 00:13:12.200 --> 00:13:14.320 to do so. And I would look forward to hearing 00:13:14.320 --> 00:13:16.059 your episodes and your show. It's very interesting. 00:13:16.220 --> 00:13:19.110 My sister mentioned it to me. And I just didn't 00:13:19.110 --> 00:13:21.509 wanna look at it beforehand, but I haven't really 00:13:21.509 --> 00:13:23.629 studied it, but I have watched some shows on 00:13:23.629 --> 00:13:26.230 Netflix and things regarding that. I don't know, 00:13:26.490 --> 00:13:28.149 there's a couple shows on there that deal with 00:13:28.149 --> 00:13:30.950 that topic. I've watched some of those. Yeah, 00:13:31.029 --> 00:13:33.450 I mean, I think the way you described it is perfect. 00:13:33.929 --> 00:13:37.049 It was a, I would almost call it violent. Like, 00:13:37.190 --> 00:13:40.590 slammed is a great way to describe it. Yeah, 00:13:40.590 --> 00:13:42.950 just the term that I hear the most. While you 00:13:42.950 --> 00:13:46.279 were out of your body, Did you feel like you 00:13:46.279 --> 00:13:50.679 were dead? Did you feel pain? What did you feel? 00:13:51.080 --> 00:13:54.059 I didn't feel any pain or anything at that time. 00:13:55.679 --> 00:13:58.980 I always describe it as a light. I lost my wife 00:13:58.980 --> 00:14:01.700 to cancer about five or six years ago now. She 00:14:01.700 --> 00:14:04.299 always asked me before she passed, what did I 00:14:04.299 --> 00:14:07.320 remember? Because I actually feel like I died 00:14:07.320 --> 00:14:10.559 for a period of time. The experience makes me 00:14:10.559 --> 00:14:13.419 think that I did. What was your exact question? 00:14:13.740 --> 00:14:15.960 Just so you answer it correctly again. Well, 00:14:16.039 --> 00:14:19.139 just how did you feel out of body? Did it feel 00:14:19.139 --> 00:14:22.039 normal? Did you feel pain? I didn't feel pain. 00:14:22.240 --> 00:14:25.720 I felt like light, luminous, like a luminous 00:14:25.720 --> 00:14:29.320 presence, no pain, like I was in the light, like, 00:14:29.460 --> 00:14:32.269 or I was the light. it felt like I was obviously 00:14:32.269 --> 00:14:35.929 I was a flying in a sense and so my soul was 00:14:35.929 --> 00:14:38.870 light I don't recall any pain at the at all about 00:14:38.870 --> 00:14:41.169 it was more or less just like an observation 00:14:41.169 --> 00:14:44.950 nothing about that was any pain or any knowledge 00:14:44.950 --> 00:14:47.129 even that I was that I was in a car accident 00:14:47.129 --> 00:14:49.610 other than I was looking at it I don't know that 00:14:49.610 --> 00:14:52.370 I'd even put it together at that point, but it 00:14:52.370 --> 00:14:55.590 wasn't a very long time, but the way I always 00:14:55.590 --> 00:14:58.210 describe that part of it was I've always kind 00:14:58.210 --> 00:15:00.830 of experienced this, through this experience, 00:15:00.929 --> 00:15:03.110 felt like there's something about it that has 00:15:03.110 --> 00:15:05.850 to do with light, if that makes any sense, you 00:15:05.850 --> 00:15:10.789 know? Like a luminous presence where maybe the 00:15:10.789 --> 00:15:13.889 soul is out of body, maybe it doesn't require 00:15:13.889 --> 00:15:17.320 a body. I felt free. I can't say there was any 00:15:17.320 --> 00:15:21.279 pain that I recall at all about it. Did you feel 00:15:21.279 --> 00:15:24.039 like you were looking down on the accident itself 00:15:24.039 --> 00:15:27.200 or after that? You know that's been asked to 00:15:27.200 --> 00:15:29.539 me and and I don't know that and that's a tough 00:15:29.539 --> 00:15:32.399 question to answer you know when did I realize 00:15:32.399 --> 00:15:35.500 that that had happened obviously that happened 00:15:35.500 --> 00:15:38.840 and I remember it okay so I'm assuming that it 00:15:38.840 --> 00:15:41.779 happened before I came to in the car and I remember 00:15:41.779 --> 00:15:45.019 being slammed back into my body as you described 00:15:45.019 --> 00:15:48.779 it I started coming to after that these things 00:15:48.779 --> 00:15:52.019 happen before I started to real come to in the 00:15:52.019 --> 00:15:54.500 car as it is in my memory, right? Now, my mom 00:15:54.500 --> 00:15:56.399 asked me that because I was mentioning I was 00:15:56.399 --> 00:15:58.240 going to be on the show and she said, well, do 00:15:58.240 --> 00:16:00.700 you remember it before or after? And I can only 00:16:00.700 --> 00:16:03.879 assume it's before. I mean, then I'm remembering 00:16:03.879 --> 00:16:06.779 what happened before, but it was definitely in 00:16:06.779 --> 00:16:10.139 my memory after, you know, when I finally came 00:16:10.139 --> 00:16:12.379 to in the car, I didn't know where I was because 00:16:12.379 --> 00:16:14.559 I had a closed head injury. I didn't really know 00:16:14.559 --> 00:16:17.860 where I was until I think the time when I finally 00:16:17.860 --> 00:16:20.279 realized where I was was when I was out on the 00:16:20.279 --> 00:16:22.789 cement. Like I said, after I realized I couldn't 00:16:22.789 --> 00:16:25.529 walk and I saw the blood everywhere and I knew 00:16:25.529 --> 00:16:27.750 I started to figure it out. You know, I could 00:16:27.750 --> 00:16:30.169 see my car was crushed. But I mean, it was it 00:16:30.169 --> 00:16:33.149 was such a violent accident that I was I can't 00:16:33.149 --> 00:16:35.409 say that I really was pulling any kind of memories 00:16:35.409 --> 00:16:38.190 together at that point. Well, I don't think you 00:16:38.190 --> 00:16:41.029 have to have the kind of near death experience 00:16:41.029 --> 00:16:45.000 where you travel. off to some kind of heavenly 00:16:45.000 --> 00:16:49.080 place to have profound changes in your life. 00:16:49.500 --> 00:16:52.059 And I know you mentioned to me that your life 00:16:52.059 --> 00:16:54.539 really changed after this. Let's talk about that 00:16:54.539 --> 00:16:57.500 for a minute. The way that it originally changed 00:16:57.500 --> 00:16:59.779 was, and this is a kind of cool experience, because 00:16:59.779 --> 00:17:03.159 I played in a band with a guy named Randy Frunch 00:17:03.159 --> 00:17:05.519 as a friend of mine. And we played in high school 00:17:05.519 --> 00:17:08.720 back in the late 80s, mid 80s, after the car 00:17:08.720 --> 00:17:11.880 accident, which First of all, I went to the hospital 00:17:11.880 --> 00:17:13.400 and they couldn't fix me at the grand blank, 00:17:13.460 --> 00:17:15.420 so they had to send me to Beaumont down in Detroit 00:17:15.420 --> 00:17:17.980 because the surgeons couldn't do the repair to 00:17:17.980 --> 00:17:20.359 my hip and the injuries I had were so horrific. 00:17:20.559 --> 00:17:22.720 My friend, after I was recovering at home and 00:17:22.720 --> 00:17:26.299 I got back home, he came over and he had been 00:17:26.299 --> 00:17:28.799 in a similar near -death experience. He had his 00:17:28.799 --> 00:17:32.019 back broken at work and he ended up getting pneumonia 00:17:32.019 --> 00:17:35.099 at his house. So he had a near -death experience 00:17:35.099 --> 00:17:37.460 as well. Now, I don't know how those two connect 00:17:37.460 --> 00:17:39.359 for his near -death experience story. other than 00:17:39.359 --> 00:17:42.220 the fact that he had one. He had a similar experience, 00:17:42.420 --> 00:17:45.039 and his was through pneumonia. He said when the 00:17:45.039 --> 00:17:48.460 paramedics came that once he got oxygen, he thought 00:17:48.460 --> 00:17:50.200 he was going to die, and then he got oxygen, 00:17:50.400 --> 00:17:52.460 and he said he was speaking in tongues is how 00:17:52.460 --> 00:17:54.559 he described it. He didn't know what he was saying, 00:17:55.119 --> 00:17:57.299 but he thought that he was speaking in some language 00:17:57.299 --> 00:17:59.900 that he didn't have a clue what it was. So he 00:17:59.900 --> 00:18:02.440 came and saw me afterwards, and we were musicians 00:18:02.440 --> 00:18:04.779 and played music together in band in the 80s. 00:18:04.920 --> 00:18:07.339 And we both just decided my parents had a place 00:18:07.339 --> 00:18:09.859 up in the empire michigan which is up by the 00:18:09.859 --> 00:18:12.319 sleeping bear dunes in michigan on the west coast 00:18:12.319 --> 00:18:14.660 and we said hey let's go up there both of us 00:18:14.660 --> 00:18:16.920 were messed up he had his back was broken he 00:18:16.920 --> 00:18:18.880 was in a turtle you know the turtle shell thing 00:18:18.880 --> 00:18:20.420 that they put around you when you have your back 00:18:20.420 --> 00:18:23.440 broken and i was so messed up with my hips shattered 00:18:23.440 --> 00:18:25.500 and we're like let's just go up there and my 00:18:25.500 --> 00:18:27.579 brother played drums he was already up there. 00:18:27.920 --> 00:18:29.200 And we were like, let's just go up there and 00:18:29.200 --> 00:18:32.299 have some fun and play some music. And that whole 00:18:32.299 --> 00:18:35.720 experience was like a two, we did two separate 00:18:35.720 --> 00:18:37.519 weekends and we went up and I was a recording 00:18:37.519 --> 00:18:40.940 engineer. So I had, you know, a Tascam M238 for 00:18:40.940 --> 00:18:42.500 people that are geeks out there that want to 00:18:42.500 --> 00:18:44.859 know about how we did it. But it was analog and 00:18:44.859 --> 00:18:50.279 I had that recorder in a road case and a CD recorder. 00:18:50.599 --> 00:18:52.980 We had no intentions of ever doing anything and 00:18:52.980 --> 00:18:55.799 putting it out, but. The first thing I noticed 00:18:55.799 --> 00:18:57.539 after the car accident in the hospital, my mom 00:18:57.539 --> 00:19:00.299 brought me a fan, which was like life -saving, 00:19:00.420 --> 00:19:02.599 because I couldn't believe how great it felt 00:19:02.599 --> 00:19:05.339 to have a fan. I was just so uncomfortable. And 00:19:05.339 --> 00:19:07.900 she also brought a clock radio. And as soon as 00:19:07.900 --> 00:19:11.980 I heard music after the car accident, once I 00:19:11.980 --> 00:19:13.680 was in the hospital, and I mean I was so messed 00:19:13.680 --> 00:19:15.720 up, she brought me just a little clock radio, 00:19:15.740 --> 00:19:17.759 and I mean it was tiny. But as soon as I heard 00:19:17.759 --> 00:19:20.000 music, and I tell everyone, it sounded like the 00:19:20.000 --> 00:19:21.900 music was coming out of the speakers like powdered 00:19:21.900 --> 00:19:25.190 sugar. I'd never heard anything like that i'm 00:19:25.190 --> 00:19:27.450 a musician i had a degree in audio recording 00:19:27.450 --> 00:19:31.289 engineering but nothing ever sounded like the 00:19:31.289 --> 00:19:34.240 way that i heard music. In the hospital was like 00:19:34.240 --> 00:19:36.359 literally maybe hearing it for the first time 00:19:36.359 --> 00:19:38.940 or hearing angels could be a way to describe 00:19:38.940 --> 00:19:41.559 it but just hearing the music in a way that i'd 00:19:41.559 --> 00:19:43.880 never heard it before that was the beginning 00:19:43.880 --> 00:19:47.579 of us starting this journey in the music. I didn't 00:19:47.579 --> 00:19:49.779 realize that anyway they were connected but so 00:19:49.779 --> 00:19:51.960 we ended up taking this trip down and empire 00:19:51.960 --> 00:19:54.750 and we recorded over the course of. two weekends 00:19:54.750 --> 00:19:59.049 and then we made a CD out of the tapes we made 00:19:59.049 --> 00:20:00.230 and we showed them to people and they're like, 00:20:00.390 --> 00:20:02.369 man, you guys should release this stuff. It's 00:20:02.369 --> 00:20:04.990 really good. We had no intentions of doing so, 00:20:04.990 --> 00:20:07.730 but when we were urged by our friends to do it, 00:20:07.750 --> 00:20:10.190 we finally ended up putting that stuff onto a 00:20:10.190 --> 00:20:12.970 CD. Our band was called Three Piece. It's all 00:20:12.970 --> 00:20:17.049 one word. It's T -H -R -E -E -P -E -A -C -E. 00:20:17.170 --> 00:20:20.930 So it's all one word. It's the number three and 00:20:20.930 --> 00:20:24.140 I'm peace altogether. And that's on Spotify and 00:20:24.140 --> 00:20:25.819 all those albums. We ended up doing seven albums 00:20:25.819 --> 00:20:29.240 together in the long run. But the connection 00:20:29.240 --> 00:20:32.099 of Big R, it's his name in the band and mine's 00:20:32.099 --> 00:20:35.420 Lefty, L -E -F -T -E -E, not the way you usually 00:20:35.420 --> 00:20:37.059 spell it, because that has to do with golf. You 00:20:37.059 --> 00:20:39.339 see these golf flags. That was my nickname in 00:20:39.339 --> 00:20:43.380 golf. But the thing is, music became this catalyst. 00:20:43.740 --> 00:20:45.720 And at the time, like I say, I was just coming 00:20:45.720 --> 00:20:48.259 out of this accident. I had no idea of how profound 00:20:48.259 --> 00:20:51.640 the music would be. Both of us We were like brothers 00:20:51.640 --> 00:20:53.700 back in the 80s. He's like my other brother. 00:20:54.220 --> 00:20:55.940 But the connection that we shared through this 00:20:55.940 --> 00:20:58.680 near -death experience and the music kind of 00:20:58.680 --> 00:21:01.720 set us off on this little journey, which it was 00:21:01.720 --> 00:21:05.099 dictating itself as it went along. I didn't really 00:21:05.099 --> 00:21:07.519 start to realize some of these things and these 00:21:07.519 --> 00:21:09.680 changes that happened to me until we got into 00:21:09.680 --> 00:21:13.279 doing these songs and the music. And then it 00:21:13.279 --> 00:21:15.730 kind of turned into a mission, which has nothing 00:21:15.730 --> 00:21:17.789 to do with anything I ever did before, which 00:21:17.789 --> 00:21:20.849 was like promoting the good ideas of the world 00:21:20.849 --> 00:21:23.769 and peace. Not something I would choose to do 00:21:23.769 --> 00:21:26.470 because in this day and age, as you know, with 00:21:26.470 --> 00:21:29.990 many pop artists and things that social critics 00:21:29.990 --> 00:21:33.430 aren't really embraced anymore. So we spoke out 00:21:33.430 --> 00:21:35.690 against things that we didn't think were right. 00:21:35.789 --> 00:21:38.089 It wasn't really political or religious, but 00:21:38.089 --> 00:21:40.950 we would just, if there was a song we felt needed 00:21:40.950 --> 00:21:43.630 to be addressed, we would sing it. But this first 00:21:43.630 --> 00:21:47.269 album, is kind of strange because as we moved 00:21:47.269 --> 00:21:49.430 on to the other music, the first one was more 00:21:49.430 --> 00:21:51.990 or less a venting of all of our troubles. As 00:21:51.990 --> 00:21:54.549 I look back on it, I mean, we sang about 9 -11, 00:21:55.309 --> 00:21:57.730 I sang about the fresh feelings of divorce. There 00:21:57.730 --> 00:22:00.109 was a lot of pain on that record and it was like 00:22:00.109 --> 00:22:02.589 a purging of that car accident. In fact, I think 00:22:02.589 --> 00:22:04.849 we mentioned the surgeons on the thanks for the 00:22:04.849 --> 00:22:08.259 record, you know, but music. ended up being this 00:22:08.259 --> 00:22:11.019 huge catalyst for this change that was about 00:22:11.019 --> 00:22:13.359 to happen in my life and I was already into music 00:22:13.359 --> 00:22:15.720 so I kind of wasn't even thinking that way but 00:22:15.720 --> 00:22:19.119 it just ended up being that this music gave us 00:22:19.119 --> 00:22:22.960 an avenue to express and excise the demons of 00:22:22.960 --> 00:22:26.099 our pain and of this near -death experience. 00:22:26.259 --> 00:22:30.059 We both shared a similar, you know, thing. I 00:22:30.059 --> 00:22:32.500 don't know exact details of how his near -death 00:22:32.500 --> 00:22:35.390 experience other than I know he had one. So the 00:22:35.390 --> 00:22:38.490 music was very healing it sounds like. Absolutely 00:22:38.490 --> 00:22:41.109 but you know until we got into doing it i already 00:22:41.109 --> 00:22:43.170 played i'm a drummer i play i couldn't play drums 00:22:43.170 --> 00:22:44.950 cuz my hip was shared but luckily my brother 00:22:44.950 --> 00:22:47.730 was drummer and so he played drums on those recordings 00:22:47.730 --> 00:22:50.490 and i played bass i had played bass in the band 00:22:50.490 --> 00:22:52.910 previously so at that time i couldn't play drum 00:22:52.910 --> 00:22:55.920 so i played bass and did some vocals. and played 00:22:55.920 --> 00:22:57.460 a little guitar on the record but i couldn't 00:22:57.460 --> 00:23:00.440 play drums so it just kind of happened we were 00:23:00.440 --> 00:23:02.839 all together as a band in the eighties and my 00:23:02.839 --> 00:23:05.059 brother played drums i played bass and randy 00:23:05.059 --> 00:23:08.019 played guitar and. Twenty years later here we 00:23:08.019 --> 00:23:11.140 are both of us completely messed up and we're 00:23:11.140 --> 00:23:14.299 back together and it felt like a reunion but 00:23:14.299 --> 00:23:17.359 it also felt like a new journey. That we were 00:23:17.359 --> 00:23:19.700 on but we did we didn't really realize that at 00:23:19.700 --> 00:23:21.960 the time when we were recording those first tracks 00:23:21.960 --> 00:23:23.519 we did it over two weekends like I said it was 00:23:23.519 --> 00:23:25.359 kind of like we were just putting it together 00:23:25.359 --> 00:23:27.000 and I was recording engineer so I was just making 00:23:27.000 --> 00:23:28.519 sure we got the stuff recorded because it was 00:23:28.519 --> 00:23:31.880 really for our own love of the music but that 00:23:31.880 --> 00:23:35.400 kind of set us on to a journey. Which it became 00:23:35.400 --> 00:23:37.619 something totally different like I say when I 00:23:37.619 --> 00:23:41.559 came back I started to realize that I probably 00:23:41.559 --> 00:23:44.799 wasn't the same person that I was previously 00:23:44.799 --> 00:23:47.059 is not. I'm just saying I didn't have as much 00:23:47.059 --> 00:23:50.579 concern for others and care about people. I was 00:23:50.579 --> 00:23:52.680 starting to understand that I had this mission 00:23:52.680 --> 00:23:55.339 to do, which was nothing to do with my personal 00:23:55.339 --> 00:23:58.240 vanity, but it was to give to others. And that's 00:23:58.240 --> 00:24:00.059 something I never thought about ever before. 00:24:00.380 --> 00:24:02.839 And it just felt like that wasn't me. And although 00:24:02.839 --> 00:24:04.579 I still have memories of everything that I did 00:24:04.579 --> 00:24:07.660 when I was younger, those memories weren't necessarily 00:24:07.660 --> 00:24:10.579 of a person that I really was proud of. This 00:24:10.579 --> 00:24:13.750 accident. and the music set us off on this direction, 00:24:13.950 --> 00:24:17.450 which was a thing of positivity. So this message, 00:24:17.569 --> 00:24:20.490 this mission of giving to others, how are you 00:24:20.490 --> 00:24:22.369 living that now? What kinds of things are you 00:24:22.369 --> 00:24:25.390 doing right now? Personally, I work from home. 00:24:25.490 --> 00:24:27.589 I do the SEO consulting, as we mentioned, and 00:24:27.589 --> 00:24:30.289 I'm an SEO, a Google consultant, and I still 00:24:30.289 --> 00:24:33.130 do the multimedia of films. But I work from home 00:24:33.130 --> 00:24:36.130 and I'm caregiver for my mom who has Parkinson's. 00:24:36.629 --> 00:24:39.430 And she's a quadriplegic with Parkinson's. She's 00:24:39.430 --> 00:24:42.089 nine years old. So she gave to me after the car 00:24:42.089 --> 00:24:45.250 accident and she's like the hugest reason that 00:24:45.250 --> 00:24:47.130 I made it through the car accident. And instead 00:24:47.130 --> 00:24:49.069 of putting her in a nursing home, a place for 00:24:49.069 --> 00:24:51.309 mom or wherever they people put their parents, 00:24:51.369 --> 00:24:54.589 I just felt like it's my duty. So this is something 00:24:54.589 --> 00:24:56.710 very important to me. And sometimes she feels 00:24:56.710 --> 00:24:59.170 like she's a burden and my dad passed of Alzheimer's. 00:24:59.170 --> 00:25:00.789 So for the last eight to 10 years, I've been 00:25:00.789 --> 00:25:03.930 caregiving for them. and working full time, but 00:25:03.930 --> 00:25:06.789 I'm glad to do it. It's not a burden to me. A 00:25:06.789 --> 00:25:08.910 lot of people feel that it probably would be, 00:25:08.970 --> 00:25:12.430 and maybe it does take, it is taxing, but I feel 00:25:12.430 --> 00:25:14.990 just absolutely fortunate. Every day is a bonus 00:25:14.990 --> 00:25:16.829 since the car accident. That's another thing 00:25:16.829 --> 00:25:18.869 that I probably should lay out right here. It's 00:25:18.869 --> 00:25:22.269 been 7 ,600 in some days. I usually check it 00:25:22.269 --> 00:25:24.690 every once in a while. Because every day is a 00:25:24.690 --> 00:25:27.230 bonus been for me and i'm not afraid of death 00:25:27.230 --> 00:25:29.369 anymore at all and i used to be like a worry 00:25:29.369 --> 00:25:31.390 war i used to my mom used to have this book this 00:25:31.390 --> 00:25:34.190 physician's desk reference and like everything 00:25:34.190 --> 00:25:36.750 in there like had a flow chart that led to your 00:25:36.750 --> 00:25:40.480 dying possibly I remember that great big book 00:25:40.480 --> 00:25:43.619 back in the pre -Google days, the PDR. It was 00:25:43.619 --> 00:25:46.660 about two inches thick. I think it was red even. 00:25:46.900 --> 00:25:49.740 It was red. That's it. Yeah, it was red and it 00:25:49.740 --> 00:25:52.279 had flow charts. You could easily look. I think 00:25:52.279 --> 00:25:53.880 what it was was a thing to get you to go to your 00:25:53.880 --> 00:25:56.420 doctor and make the doctor lots of money. But 00:25:56.420 --> 00:25:59.579 every single thing that I would look at, if I 00:25:59.579 --> 00:26:02.200 took the right flow chart, it led to, oh, you 00:26:02.200 --> 00:26:05.180 might be dying. So I had this super huge phobia 00:26:05.180 --> 00:26:07.720 of dying. But after the car accident, I have 00:26:07.759 --> 00:26:11.059 There's no fear of dying at all because there's 00:26:11.059 --> 00:26:14.000 nothing about that experience that was painful 00:26:14.000 --> 00:26:16.819 except the recovery afterwards. There's nothing 00:26:16.819 --> 00:26:19.400 like you were asking me, did I feel pain? No, 00:26:19.420 --> 00:26:21.359 there was no pain. The pain came after I came 00:26:21.359 --> 00:26:24.480 back. Every day since then has been a huge bonus 00:26:24.480 --> 00:26:27.480 spin and I always think twice about whether I'm 00:26:27.480 --> 00:26:29.319 doing something for myself or for others and 00:26:29.319 --> 00:26:33.349 I try to be unselfish and... in what I do. I'm 00:26:33.349 --> 00:26:35.730 not perfect, but I definitely am, I think, a 00:26:35.730 --> 00:26:37.890 better representation of who I want to be than 00:26:37.890 --> 00:26:40.829 what I was before. Yeah. One other little thing, 00:26:40.829 --> 00:26:43.450 and this may not be important at all, but I had 00:26:43.450 --> 00:26:45.750 it in my notes that you had mentioned this in 00:26:45.750 --> 00:26:49.990 your email, that taking a shower after this experience 00:26:49.990 --> 00:26:53.200 was... Completely different which you explain 00:26:53.200 --> 00:26:54.720 what in the world that means. Well, there was 00:26:54.720 --> 00:26:57.140 a couple Let me also tell you the both and once 00:26:57.140 --> 00:27:00.079 one's kind of funny so in the hospital I don't 00:27:00.079 --> 00:27:01.700 know everyone that's ever been in the hospital 00:27:01.700 --> 00:27:03.859 knows you've got like there's two different types 00:27:03.859 --> 00:27:06.259 of nurses. There's like the There's like the 00:27:06.259 --> 00:27:08.779 nurse ratchet tough one and then there's the 00:27:08.779 --> 00:27:11.119 loving ones and you get one or the other, you 00:27:11.119 --> 00:27:13.740 know, the story that starts out with with the 00:27:13.740 --> 00:27:16.819 nurse. OK, so the first time I came to and in 00:27:16.819 --> 00:27:19.039 the hospital I was OK. Well, she was really a 00:27:19.039 --> 00:27:21.160 pretty young nurse and I, you know, I was probably 00:27:21.160 --> 00:27:24.000 in my 30s or whatever and she came in and the 00:27:24.000 --> 00:27:25.680 other nurses were always were bothering me to 00:27:25.680 --> 00:27:28.480 like take tests and try to read things. And I 00:27:28.480 --> 00:27:30.259 was just had a close head injury and I didn't 00:27:30.259 --> 00:27:32.099 want to like be read a book and have to take 00:27:32.099 --> 00:27:33.859 a test. Like that's what some of the things they 00:27:33.859 --> 00:27:35.130 were trying to figure out with my clothes and 00:27:35.130 --> 00:27:37.089 I was like I was rejecting all of that because 00:27:37.089 --> 00:27:39.049 I was literally that messed up that I couldn't 00:27:39.049 --> 00:27:41.470 even put my mind to that but she came in and 00:27:41.470 --> 00:27:44.630 she said water is medicine too and you know she 00:27:44.630 --> 00:27:46.809 had a sponge bath for me and I was like this 00:27:46.809 --> 00:27:50.809 is okay yeah that was good that was really really 00:27:50.809 --> 00:27:53.170 good then the part that I meant thing I mentioned 00:27:53.170 --> 00:27:55.849 to you so I already recognized that that like 00:27:55.849 --> 00:27:59.329 the water was healing okay but after I got home 00:27:59.329 --> 00:28:01.970 the time that I knew I really still didn't know 00:28:01.970 --> 00:28:04.140 if I was gonna make it through this thing But 00:28:04.140 --> 00:28:06.079 when I got, they finally released me from the 00:28:06.079 --> 00:28:09.160 hospital and I got home and I got the first shower 00:28:09.160 --> 00:28:12.160 and the water like rinsed all that grime off 00:28:12.160 --> 00:28:14.619 me and whatever was on my body from the surgeries 00:28:14.619 --> 00:28:16.980 and stuff. That was the first time I was like, 00:28:17.160 --> 00:28:18.720 okay, I'm going to make it through this thing. 00:28:18.779 --> 00:28:21.259 I mean, like the water was so healing. It was 00:28:21.259 --> 00:28:24.500 almost like a baptism of sorts. It was amazing 00:28:24.500 --> 00:28:28.059 that that stuck in my mind as like a point of 00:28:28.059 --> 00:28:30.039 like, I knew I was going to, going to make it 00:28:30.039 --> 00:28:32.799 through this thing. Okay. Blasting that I have 00:28:32.799 --> 00:28:36.240 for you. And that is that our show is all about 00:28:36.240 --> 00:28:40.279 hope. And a lot of people are wondering, you 00:28:40.279 --> 00:28:42.839 know, is there really a life after this and things 00:28:42.839 --> 00:28:45.960 like that? And you didn't go clear off to a heavenly 00:28:45.960 --> 00:28:49.599 place, but through your experience, would you 00:28:49.599 --> 00:28:52.140 say that there is some kind of message that you 00:28:52.140 --> 00:28:54.759 would like to share with everybody? Yeah, absolutely. 00:28:55.039 --> 00:28:57.240 And I would say most people would look at this 00:28:57.240 --> 00:29:00.779 experience and say that it is a negative. Like 00:29:00.779 --> 00:29:02.640 everyone always hears, oh, how horrific that 00:29:02.640 --> 00:29:05.339 was. And, you know, yes, it was. And it was awful 00:29:05.339 --> 00:29:09.039 to to recover from it. But it's made me a much 00:29:09.039 --> 00:29:11.559 better person. It's made me appreciate life. 00:29:12.099 --> 00:29:14.940 It's made me want to give back as opposed to 00:29:14.940 --> 00:29:18.319 being selfish in my own personal interests. Just 00:29:18.319 --> 00:29:22.869 the fact that every day is An important one to 00:29:22.869 --> 00:29:25.349 me and i think anyone that's been through an 00:29:25.349 --> 00:29:27.569 experience like this and is maybe fearful about 00:29:27.569 --> 00:29:29.829 what might come we all have different levels 00:29:29.829 --> 00:29:31.710 of what we're able to do i've been very blessed 00:29:31.710 --> 00:29:33.950 to be able to do a lot of things because they 00:29:33.950 --> 00:29:36.809 did a good job getting me back to being normal 00:29:36.809 --> 00:29:39.930 golf and everything. I'm able to do a lot but 00:29:39.930 --> 00:29:42.660 no matter what it is i think. I totally believe 00:29:42.660 --> 00:29:46.079 that there's life after death. Or even more than 00:29:46.079 --> 00:29:48.339 that, I feel that the body is like a container 00:29:48.339 --> 00:29:50.859 for the soul. And having that out -of -body experience, 00:29:51.099 --> 00:29:54.619 I believe my soul was out of my body. So I definitely 00:29:54.619 --> 00:29:56.980 believe there is something else to it. Now, where 00:29:56.980 --> 00:30:00.099 it goes or what it is, I don't know. But definitely, 00:30:00.920 --> 00:30:03.160 it was for the better, where most people would 00:30:03.160 --> 00:30:05.519 think it would be absolutely for the worse. So 00:30:05.519 --> 00:30:08.279 it was a life -changing event. Like I say, it's 00:30:08.279 --> 00:30:10.519 almost like I'm a different person altogether. 00:30:10.759 --> 00:30:12.880 Although I still have the memories of my past, 00:30:13.319 --> 00:30:15.940 I don't feel like I'm the same person as I was 00:30:15.940 --> 00:30:18.480 previous. Terrence, I appreciate you sharing 00:30:18.480 --> 00:30:21.559 all that and spending time with us today. Oh, 00:30:21.579 --> 00:30:26.660 absolutely. Glad to be here. 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