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From the time that they pronounced me dead was

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a good 45 minutes. They cut my clothes and then

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they paddled my heart, my heart had stopped and

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I could see people screaming and crying but I

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didn't realize that was actually my physical

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body because I was somewhere else. The only thing

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that I could feel if you could imagine absolute

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love and peace, there wasn't anything else to

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be felt. I was greeted by people I'd known in

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the past. I'm back home again. Incredibly safe

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and felt at home. Welcome, welcome to Round Trip

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Death everybody. We're so excited to be here

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today and we have a fun guest with us. Steve

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Houghton from Virginia here in the United States.

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How are you Stephen? I'm doing good. How about

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yourself Eric? Good. Did I get Houghton correct?

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That is the correct pronunciation. It's a hit

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or miss on that name. Well. In the pre interview

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you help me out with that so i was just happy

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to remember so anyway it's good to see you again

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you got an unusual a little bit scary. With a

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happy ending kind of experience that we're gonna

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be talking about before we jump into it would

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you tell us a little bit about you and then i'll

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direct you through some questions yeah. I grew

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up in Virginia. It was sort of a broken family.

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I guess I went through all the normal things

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kids would go through with parents divorcing,

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and I ended up being raised by my grandparents.

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That ended up pushing me into the military pretty

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early. Straight 18, I went right into the Coast

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Guard. That was such a good experience, being

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able to be a part of that organization. It really

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let me... Explore and get out and do some wild

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things. You'd never think you would do. I ended

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up all the way in Africa, Liberia. Saving people

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was one of the biggest things. I didn't really

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keep track, but it was a pretty good number of

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people I know that were still walking around

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because I showed up. My career in the Coast Guard

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kind of ended early because I've got back problems

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and other disabilities. I was an alcoholic in

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the military, a functioning alcoholic, but you

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had to break things up. You had to go three days

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on, two days off sort of deal. So you really

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had to pace yourself. But when I got retired

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and went to a government job, there's really

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a lot less oversight. So the habit just grew

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and grew. It got to the point during COVID, they

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sent us all home. And all we had to do was text

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in every morning that we're here alive, ready

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to go if you needed us to come in. And that's

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how it went for months. The drinking kind of

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got really out of hand, ended up to a point where

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I could not get myself drunk. And I guess that

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was the big red flag for me was I have to drink

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to function. At the point I had one son, he was

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living with his mother. It just, it was a rough

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adjustment to being a civilian. And I had to

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go to the Veterans Affairs Hospital and ask them

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for help on how to quit drinking. And I didn't

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really put much research into that type of healthcare

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or what I'd be looking at trying to quit drinking.

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I just kind of went with it and did whatever

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they said. It's just bouncing back and forth

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on medications that you really feel like turn

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you into a zombie. You get so frustrated with

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it because it's so long in between these appointments,

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you're just ready to give up. So I'd made up

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in my mind, whatever this next medication they

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gave me, I was going to do it. I was going to

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quit drinking. We're going to lock this in. I

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was over this. I would go to bed every night

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and I really, I felt like it was my voice in

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my head, but that voice doesn't say those things

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anymore. So I would go to bed thinking, Alright,

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tonight's the last night. I don't feel like waking

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up with the stomach pain. I don't want to wake

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up sick. I'm done drinking and there'd be a voice

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that would literally curse me out and tell me,

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no, you're not. You're going to go down tomorrow

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at this time and pick this alcohol up. You're

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going to do it. And I would just go along with

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it. But when I really just decided we were going

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to lock down, it was a medication called Topamax.

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And I don't even really remember how it was supposed

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to function or any of the side effects. I just

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remember I didn't want to drink alcohol, but

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I also just didn't want to do anything. I didn't

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want to get up. I didn't want to move. I could

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lay in bed for a day and a half and just stare

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at the ceiling. It was very bizarre being in

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that state, but I told myself, we're going to

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get through this, a month of no drinking, and

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I'm going to be able to say I can stop. Along

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the way, I would feel really lightheaded. I wasn't

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feeling good. I knew I was going through withdrawals,

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but I didn't know. at what cost to your body,

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quitting cold turkey from the amount of alcohol

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I was drinking. So it got to a point where I

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was roughhousing with one of my dogs and I started

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feeling really lightheaded. I sat back down on

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the couch. I asked my girlfriend, she's my wife

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now, I asked her to go get me something sugary

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to eat. Years earlier, I had done DMT. That was

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that point in my life where I'm searching for

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answers, what's going on. And when I started

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really getting lightheaded, I started seeing

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all these colors. The only thing I could attribute

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that was it was like being on DMT. I even told

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my girlfriend, my wife, I said, just give me

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a minute. I'm having some sort of DMT trip. I'm

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enjoying this, which was not a very smart thing

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to do because I had not consumed DMT. And the

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basic of that drug is it gives you the experience

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of what your mind dumps into your brain as you're

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dying. There's a chemical, it releases. It was

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not very geometric. I don't know if you know

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anything about DMT, but you can have these experiences

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where you see very bizarre things. You feel like

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you're in another realm. It's very geometric.

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Everything's very precise. When this happened,

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the whole room looked like it was melting. If

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you've ever seen a chocolate fountain, how it

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just comes down and waves. But in between each

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wave was different bands of colors. And I mean,

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they were just... the colors you can't describe

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so i just kind of fell back into that and i remember

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my head leaning back and it just getting heavy

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and uh that was at the moment i died i didn't

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know i was that dehydrated to the point where

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when i was sitting up i wasn't able to get the

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blood all the way back around i don't know what

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i expected death to feel like but it definitely

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wasn't what it felt like it was a very intoxicating

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feeling at first you you would Relax right back

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into that. That was something you wouldn't want

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to get out of. If I can just make a noise. If

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you've ever popped bubble wrap, it's really what

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I felt what happened in my chest. When I came

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out of my body, I didn't come out the way I was

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facing. I don't know if you've ever played with

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one of the little water snakes that'll run through

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your hands. Yeah, sure. I felt like I was pulled

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like that and pulled straight through and it

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was like a mirror image is how I popped out facing

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myself. Hey Steve, before we get deeper into

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that, I want to make sure that people understand

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the difference between this and a DMT experience.

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So they don't think that that's what you were

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having. So they understand that this was real

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versus a drug -related thing. Yeah, I've probably

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done most of the hallucinogenic drugs. You can

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do mushrooms. I did once or twice. The DMT I

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did once several times in a day. I use cannabis

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cannabis really is not gonna give you a type

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of delusion or hallucination. The mushroom is

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it really affect with your visual cortex and

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what you see it might really move things around

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and then there's dmt dmt is is they call the

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rocket ship. It's a very short acting drug it

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is very powerful. You can feel like you've gone

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to a different realm. You can walk around after

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the drugs wearing off and it's almost like Tetris,

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like the ruins in South America for their pyramids.

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How everything sort of looks like Tetris, the

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way things are blocked in. And you can see that

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fabric kind of moving in and out. It's really

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hard to explain. I don't think DMT is even in

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a class of drug. Like the others because it's

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such a profoundly different experience people

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have Complete religious experiences with that

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drug. It's hard for me to tell someone that I've

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done that and I experienced that but the level

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to which Things are intensified. I guess the

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best way I can explain it through my understanding

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is There's a veil a spiritual veil that's put

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up In my religion, it's supposed to be separated

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and we can't see it. But if you use certain chemicals,

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roots, ayahuasca, you can basically enter into

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that other dimension, I could say, illegally.

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So anything that's out there can come and interact

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with you. You can have a great experience. Something

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could come up very peaceful and very nice, and

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there's people that come out of those experiences

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almost completely. ruined. I've seen people having

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really bad experiences. When I came out of my

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body, there was a very distinct separation of

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me, my flesh, and the me that I was looking at

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on that couch. I was looking at a dead body.

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I don't know. When I did DMT, I could still feel

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you're experiencing these things, but you can

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still feel your body. It's hard to explain your

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body not being there anymore and what you become

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after. It'd be like if we were cartoons, I was

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trying to explain to you what it felt like to

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be an actual object, three dimensional. The intensity

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with which everything was happening and the free

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flow of information was overwhelming. I was not

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your go to church every week Christian. I had

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been out of church for at least 10 years. I'm

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seeing things and I'm feeling things that you

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just kind of remember by the side way. It's all

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in front of me and it's not, it's not a welcoming

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feeling. I can still see my girlfriend who was

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my wife now. I keep saying that I could almost

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see through the wall that she was out on the

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porch calling 911 and I can still see these things

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are going on. And I guess the best way to explain

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it was I had taken no drug that would produce

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any type of reaction like this. If anyone's experienced

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or looked at a DMT trip, there's a profound level

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of. You're going beyond what's normal, you're

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in the supernatural. I can almost just say that

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the great divide in between, wow, that's really

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hard to believe, we're going to double that now.

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It's hard to explain what I can't even show you.

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Traveling instantly, information you're getting

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from things. There was another being in the room,

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I'm pretty sure it was an angel. I couldn't look

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at it, but it could think inside my mind, it

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could think to me. Let's do this Steve let's

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go kind of chronologically i had just wanted

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to establish to make sure listeners new you weren't

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on any drugs you were hadn't even drinking for

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a long time. This was a completely different

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kind of experience so you come out of your body.

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You mentioned looking down at your dead body

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when you take us through step one two three from

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there what happened. Yeah, as soon as I saw my

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body, there was a curse word, oh, I'm dead. Something

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responded back to me, like I said, through a

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telepathic means. It was kind of a short, yeah,

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you are. And there's no time really to soak any

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of it in. The next thing that's going on in front

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of me is there's a hole in the ground. It's just

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blackness that I can't describe. I'm being pulled

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into it. And I can feel The sin on my body on

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my my spiritual body i could feel it. And there

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was an understanding that i belong in this place

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it wasn't that someone had sent me there. It

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wasn't that god was mean and did this to me i

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understood that that's my home i belong there.

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End the dread that sets in just knowing you're

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not coming back out. Don't get to say goodbye

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to my son. I don't get to say goodbye to my dog.

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I don't There's that's a one -way ticket. You

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know it it's in your head and on top of that

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the power That was emanating out of the being

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that was in the room with her with me Was so

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intense it would be just not something you would

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even think of to run away or fight her There

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was no point in trying to stop what was about

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to happen. You could feel that. And the only

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thing I could do is just beg for Jesus. I mean,

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it spewed out of me. Jesus, please forgive me.

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Forgive me, Jesus, please. It just couldn't stop

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coming out as fast as I could get it out. And

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I got a response back. And I mean, it was instant.

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Everything changed that angel made fun of me

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it's not so much in words it's more feelings

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but if i can explain it to you would be if. You

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beg for jesus i like to tune i said yeah dummy

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good choice you know that was the real message

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that was to me and i believe that this is angel

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was not was not just present at that one point

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in my life. It's not like we sat down and talk.

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I never knew anybody I just met off the bat,

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and I really disliked them as much as I could

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feel that this thing disliked me. I understood

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So you were calling out to Jesus. Were you a

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big believer prior to that? Were you someone

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that grew up going to church, for example? I

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went to church, but we didn't go to a denominational

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church. We were in and out in 20 minutes. I never

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read the Bible. I believed in God. I would talk

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to him. I would pray to him, but I had no relationship

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with Jesus. I had never lived a day in my life

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for anybody other than me because I had selfishly

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Assume that because I grew up in a rough childhood

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and things weren't good that I owed myself a

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little bit of freedom so I could do this or I

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could do that to establish that I have a life

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of my own. So I was living life for me. I wasn't

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living it for anybody else, let alone Jesus.

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I don't know. I just never thought I would be

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the one going to hell. I didn't think I was the

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greatest person, but I really didn't think that

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when I died, I'd be facing a hole I thought I

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was going into heaven. That's not what's happening.

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I get people to tell me all the time, this is

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just what your mind built because you built these

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ideas and constructs throughout your life. So

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when your brain's dying, it copes by putting

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things together. Your visual awareness isn't

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exactly what you're seeing. Our brain kind of

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fills in the missing gaps. But this was an experience

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where I could sense and feel everything. I was

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much more than what I just was in that body.

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This is a dumbed down version of us. We're still

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in the wrapper. I guess I could put it that way.

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We haven't come out of the wrapper yet. You can't

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really be used. You don't know how to see. You

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don't know how to hear. You don't know these

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things because you're you're not experiencing

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it. You're shielded from this. So I asked for

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forgiveness. I get made fun of and there's no

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time. There's no, hey, we're getting ready to

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go. There's no instruction. And I still haven't

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looked at this thing. It's ridiculous. If there

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was one thing I could do is go back in time and

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one, tell myself to shut up because, I mean,

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obviously you can see through this podcast. I

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can get long winded and I really should have

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looked at that angel because I, I'm curious.

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I want to know what it looked like. But if I

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could say there was a live tiger in the room

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right behind you and you could feel it breathing

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down your neck, you wouldn't turn around. You

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wouldn't. The same tiger you would wave at at

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the zoo, there's no more bars. You can feel that.

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So we're moving. We've just left where we are.

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There's no tunnel. There's no time. I'm just

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approaching a very, very big mountain. I guess

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I could say I don't have much context. I haven't

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gone and seen the Himalayan Mountains. I haven't

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gone to the Rockies. But this was not a mountain

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range. It was a singular mountain. And it just

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went on so much that I could feel it bending

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around my peripheral vision. And as I turned,

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it was almost like hourglass. You know, bugs

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have like a compound vision. It almost felt like

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that. It was really messing with my head to try

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to look at this thing and see how big it was.

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It's hard to explain that, but it's so big it

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messes with your eyes. I just had this and I'm

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telling you, I don't I didn't really get in the

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Bible. I didn't read it like I should, but. That's

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Mount Zion. I instantly know this now. So we're

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coming up to Mount Zion, but I can still feel

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sin. We haven't addressed that. It's still on

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me and I don't even really feel like we stopped.

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I can feel like we slowed down because I'm not

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supposed, I'm not clean. And just as fast as

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you could snap your fingers, all that was gone

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in an instant. That was one thing that really

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blew my mind is I thought that that would be

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like some sort of Big ordeal to get all this

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sent off of me. We just mentioned it. Now it's

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gone. It's gone. We're still traveling up the

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mountain that that's that's all I have to say

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on that it's gone and we're flying up this mountain.

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We're getting closer and I would say we're a

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couple hundred feet up and I'm trying to just

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take in what I'm seeing. But the whole time it's

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just vomiting out of me. Please let me go back.

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I need to go back for my son. I have to go back

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for Ashley I have to go back for Bryce and I

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couldn't I couldn't make myself stop. It just

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kept coming out You know, I look back on this

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now and I have to put some of these puzzle pieces

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together and go I had taken all the sin off of

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me So these things that I'm saying cannot be

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not true They can't be a lie So like I can lean

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on these words knowing like no my son and my

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wife They need me because at this point my son

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he didn't live with me and he was he was struggling

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during kovat with school and he was struggling

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with depression where he lived he wasn't going

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to get any Any help with that those people were

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just very busy with their careers. They they

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worked all the time So there was no time to address

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the child in the room playing video games Didn't

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even have custody of him and I knew that if I

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didn't go back and tell him what I saw He wasn't

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gonna be getting in church and he wasn't going

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to be aware of the things I'm aware of it There's

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a real sense of dread is I need to go warn everyone.

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We're still flying up the mountain I'm still

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not even looking at this angel and I don't even

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think it's paying any attention to me But as

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we're going up and this is where everybody if

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you want to have a chance to say I'm just crazy

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and out of my mind Here it is, because when I

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saw it, I thought I was crazy and out of my mind.

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We're going up. I can see furrowed land like

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a farm, and there's like a little fenced in stable

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area, and there is a sauropod. There is a small,

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long -necked dinosaur in a stable with children

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playing around. I stopped everything. I wasn't

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even talking about my son anymore, and I was

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just thinking in my head, what's going on now?

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Now I'm seeing dinosaurs. What in the world is

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going on? If you want to go back in the Bible,

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it's there. It's in Job. It talks about the long

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-necked beast with the tail the size of trees

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and it shook the land. We really like to put

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Jesus in a box and say, well, you can't have

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that in heaven or you're not going to have an

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animal. After what I experienced, if God made

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a four -legged long -necked dinosaur that made

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the ground shake, I'm pretty sure it's in heaven

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too. Anything he created that shows glory to

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him, anything that's amazing, it's up there.

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That's another feeling you get. So yeah, as I'm

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looking back, just trying to figure out what

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I just saw, kids playing with a dinosaur, we

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finally come to the top of the mountain. Once

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again, I was not in the Bible and the Old Testament

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enough to know what a tabernacle was, or what

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the altar was for, or any of this, but as I saw

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an altar, A stone altar, it's not very big, but

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I could tell that's the altar of the tabernacle.

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And Jesus' cross is in it. There's fire, but

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Jesus' cross is not burning at all. I can know

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with information, just once you see it, that

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cross is never going to burn. It's going to sustain

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that fire. That fire is God's wrath. That cross

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is going to be there. That fire can chew on it

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forever, and it's not going to go away. I can

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tell that. The cross is not a nice looking piece

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of wood. It is ugly. It looks like if you took

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up a couple railroad ties and stuck them together,

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you know, wood that you know you just touch it,

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you're going to get splinters. Just nasty. Just

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knowing that was awful enough that Jesus was

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on that puts in a different perspective. We don't

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even like to really understand. It wasn't until

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a couple of weeks ago I had seen something that

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had said that In Roman times, the sponge on a

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stick and vinegar was communal toilet paper.

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That's how they wiped themselves and would put

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it back in that so the vinegar would clean it.

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When Jesus said, I thirst, and they took the

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sponge with vinegar, that was the same sponge

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with vinegar they're using. That is what they

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made him drink. We don't understand the depravity.

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the awfulness of what went on that day on that

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week, we can't put it together. We'll see it

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one day and we'll really understand. But just

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being that close to the cross, I understood that

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that's pain unimaginable. And just like Moses

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saw the bush that was burning, that was consumed

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in flames, but would not burn, that's the wood

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we're talking about. If you go back into the

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Old Testament, one of the high priest duties

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is to never let the fire burn out. of that altar.

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It's actually a big turning point with Samuel.

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There we go, Samuel. I could tell that that was

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what that was for. That wood has another thing

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I got to realize is that Jesus never does just

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one thing. He's doing many things at once every

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time. When he died on that cross, yes, he bore

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our sins, but he was also grabbing that piece

00:24:22.329 --> 00:24:25.589
of wood that was covered in his blood, and that

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was going to be the object that satisfied God's

00:24:29.269 --> 00:24:32.490
wrath forever. to separate us from that wrath.

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And when I looked up, this is one thing I had

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to look up, because I didn't know why it was.

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It was there. Instead of Pilate's sign that said,

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here's Jesus, King of the Jews, that wasn't part

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of the cross. That was nailed to it. That burned

00:24:48.309 --> 00:24:51.789
right away. And its place is a molten golden

00:24:51.789 --> 00:24:54.470
crown. It's just liquid gold. It looks exactly

00:24:54.470 --> 00:24:57.680
like a crown. And it's floating, and as the fire's

00:24:57.680 --> 00:25:00.460
hitting it, you can see the waves just causing

00:25:00.460 --> 00:25:04.259
ripples through this golden crown. As I laid

00:25:04.259 --> 00:25:09.019
my eyes on that crown, the only thing I could

00:25:09.019 --> 00:25:12.660
put together is Jesus is God. I stopped talking

00:25:12.660 --> 00:25:16.579
altogether. And that's when that angel, I'm telling

00:25:16.579 --> 00:25:19.579
you, things just moved so fast. I probably was

00:25:19.579 --> 00:25:22.819
in heaven less than 20 seconds. I mean, it was

00:25:22.819 --> 00:25:26.750
just fleeting. The angel says, last chance, staying

00:25:26.750 --> 00:25:29.670
or leaving. And I'm telling you, with all of

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my spirit, I was trying to pull myself back into

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my body the whole time. And I said, I have to

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go back. I have to go back for my son. There

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again, no instruction, no get ready. Everything

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is now black. All I know is what I was is being

00:25:46.089 --> 00:25:51.599
compressed very, very hard and very small. I

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can imagine if somehow I could grab you and crush

00:25:53.680 --> 00:25:55.680
you into the size of a Coke can. That's how it

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felt. I can't see, I can't hear, but I can feel

00:25:58.359 --> 00:26:01.519
this crush. And I guess I feel myself get put

00:26:01.519 --> 00:26:06.220
back in my body. And this immense pressure is

00:26:06.220 --> 00:26:09.680
so bad. I don't have enough blood going to my

00:26:09.680 --> 00:26:12.940
eyes or ears. I can't see, I can't hear. I do

00:26:12.940 --> 00:26:16.599
know I'm vomiting. I know I am projectile vomiting

00:26:16.599 --> 00:26:19.559
like the exorcist. Like I can feel a stream.

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Shooting out of me. I mean far looking back on

00:26:22.720 --> 00:26:24.700
it. I don't know how to explain it But whether

00:26:24.700 --> 00:26:28.759
it was that angel or God himself or Jesus They

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reached inside of me and started my heart again.

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That's the only thing I could describe would

00:26:33.519 --> 00:26:36.799
be that Powerful of a crushing feeling inside

00:26:36.799 --> 00:26:40.400
of me. I felt my heart get started again as I'm

00:26:40.400 --> 00:26:43.759
vomiting slowly I'm starting to get ringing Just

00:26:43.759 --> 00:26:45.819
like the ringing in your ears is coming back

00:26:46.029 --> 00:26:48.490
And it's just slowly, you know how if you've

00:26:48.490 --> 00:26:50.450
ever been on a roller coaster that's gone really

00:26:50.450 --> 00:26:54.089
fast, how it kind of starts to black out. It's

00:26:54.089 --> 00:26:56.869
doing this in reverse. I'm starting to come back

00:26:56.869 --> 00:27:00.650
to light. I wasn't awake two seconds before I

00:27:00.650 --> 00:27:04.910
was jumping up and down, laughing and just proclaiming,

00:27:04.970 --> 00:27:08.829
I saw heaven. Heaven is real. Jumping around

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the room like a lunatic. And the only thing that

00:27:11.549 --> 00:27:14.029
stopped me was looking at my biological mother

00:27:14.029 --> 00:27:17.970
was in the room at the time. my wife, and both

00:27:17.970 --> 00:27:20.849
of them are crying. And that stops me. And now

00:27:20.849 --> 00:27:23.089
my brain's starting to try to put stuff back

00:27:23.089 --> 00:27:26.470
together. Like, okay, this did just happen. I

00:27:26.470 --> 00:27:29.950
just died. The thing I know is I'm soiling myself.

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When you die, it happens. So that's the next

00:27:32.750 --> 00:27:35.250
thing on my mind is I'm standing in front of

00:27:35.250 --> 00:27:38.230
people going to the bathroom. I need to get in

00:27:38.230 --> 00:27:40.730
the shower. So I'm running to get in the shower

00:27:40.730 --> 00:27:43.230
and I stop. Like it was something that stopped

00:27:43.230 --> 00:27:47.400
me. It was so... terrifying. I looked at myself

00:27:47.400 --> 00:27:51.140
in the mirror and I could see my skull and my

00:27:51.140 --> 00:27:53.339
cheekbones around my eyes because there had not

00:27:53.339 --> 00:27:56.740
been enough blood pumped around. From the time

00:27:56.740 --> 00:27:58.680
I got up to the time I ran to the bathroom was

00:27:58.680 --> 00:28:02.220
less than a minute. I can see a dead man in the

00:28:02.220 --> 00:28:05.240
mirror. It is grotesque. I'm not afraid of horror

00:28:05.240 --> 00:28:07.880
movies. I'm not afraid of gore. I've been to

00:28:07.880 --> 00:28:09.920
poor countries where terrible things are done.

00:28:10.660 --> 00:28:13.240
Looking at yourself dead will make you cry. And

00:28:13.240 --> 00:28:15.880
the best way I can explain it is if I had given

00:28:15.880 --> 00:28:20.220
you a very fine vase and you broke it and there

00:28:20.220 --> 00:28:23.259
was no putting that back together, I could still

00:28:23.259 --> 00:28:27.039
see how bad I had broken this body, that I had

00:28:27.039 --> 00:28:30.140
killed it. I didn't think I was anywhere near

00:28:30.140 --> 00:28:35.059
death. That experience ends and there's not like

00:28:35.059 --> 00:28:37.779
a follow -up. I don't get a ring from an angel.

00:28:38.420 --> 00:28:41.920
There's no checklist on what to do next. Transitioning

00:28:41.920 --> 00:28:45.099
from the military to civilian world was difficult.

00:28:45.599 --> 00:28:48.940
Positioning from I died and saw hell and heaven,

00:28:49.759 --> 00:28:53.960
now what do I do is very difficult. I would get

00:28:53.960 --> 00:28:56.759
to points where I would wake up with my hands

00:28:56.759 --> 00:29:01.140
on my face sobbing because I had agreed to come

00:29:01.140 --> 00:29:05.500
back. Why did I agree to come back? Because things

00:29:05.500 --> 00:29:08.559
were not going good. did not have custody of

00:29:08.559 --> 00:29:11.559
my son. He was not doing good in school. I was

00:29:11.559 --> 00:29:13.680
losing my disability paycheck. I didn't know

00:29:13.680 --> 00:29:15.980
how I was going to pay the mortgage. Everything

00:29:15.980 --> 00:29:19.819
was falling apart right in front of me. And I'm

00:29:19.819 --> 00:29:22.920
powerless. I just died a couple of weeks ago.

00:29:23.279 --> 00:29:27.660
Now I'm losing a house. What do I do? I can't

00:29:27.660 --> 00:29:31.579
get a job anywhere. Just this destitute feeling.

00:29:32.119 --> 00:29:35.990
What did I do? And I think the best thing I can

00:29:35.990 --> 00:29:39.029
tell people right now is if you're struggling,

00:29:39.329 --> 00:29:43.309
if it hurts so bad that you can't, you just can't

00:29:43.309 --> 00:29:46.170
stand it. It won't work. You can't wake up anymore.

00:29:46.710 --> 00:29:50.009
That's not the end. That's the beginning. It's

00:29:50.009 --> 00:29:52.349
a hard thing to say. Growing up my whole life,

00:29:52.349 --> 00:29:54.309
I always felt like I belonged to somebody else.

00:29:54.410 --> 00:29:57.549
I was passed off by these parents to these grandparents.

00:29:58.569 --> 00:30:00.809
They didn't want to raise kids, but they just

00:30:00.809 --> 00:30:03.950
had to. So we had to work and help them make

00:30:03.950 --> 00:30:07.750
ends meet. And in my head, in my selfish thought,

00:30:08.430 --> 00:30:10.509
I feel like a slave. I feel like I belong to

00:30:10.509 --> 00:30:12.990
somebody else. I never feel like I belong to

00:30:12.990 --> 00:30:14.750
myself. I went straight into the military and

00:30:14.750 --> 00:30:16.990
then got married. I don't feel like there's any

00:30:16.990 --> 00:30:19.269
of me now. If the military doesn't own it, my

00:30:19.269 --> 00:30:21.609
wife owns it. Well, now I've been separated from

00:30:21.609 --> 00:30:23.910
the military and my wife, and they still want

00:30:23.910 --> 00:30:26.789
to own everything too. So you feel stripped of

00:30:26.789 --> 00:30:29.039
everything. There's a point to that. It isn't

00:30:29.039 --> 00:30:32.519
until we're stripped down to nothing that we're

00:30:32.519 --> 00:30:35.240
ready to start building it up. You can't start

00:30:35.240 --> 00:30:38.380
unless the foundation is firm. And whatever I

00:30:38.380 --> 00:30:41.079
had built up in my life, through the military,

00:30:41.160 --> 00:30:43.279
being an important person, rescuing people, doing

00:30:43.279 --> 00:30:47.500
all this, I had to let all that go. The thing

00:30:47.500 --> 00:30:49.700
I feel like Jesus asked me all the time is, how

00:30:49.700 --> 00:30:52.519
low can you go? How low can you go, Stephen?

00:30:53.259 --> 00:30:55.400
We're gonna walk down the street today and everybody's

00:30:55.400 --> 00:30:58.400
gonna spit on us Steven. Are you gonna come along?"

00:30:58.400 --> 00:31:02.240
And how many times I said no and let Jesus, because

00:31:02.240 --> 00:31:06.819
every day people hate Jesus. They hate him. But

00:31:06.819 --> 00:31:10.039
I let him walk through that. I still do it now.

00:31:10.039 --> 00:31:13.019
I failed Jesus on a daily basis. I feel like

00:31:13.019 --> 00:31:15.279
I wake up and we're on that mountain and Jesus

00:31:15.279 --> 00:31:17.200
goes, hey, you want to go a little bit higher

00:31:17.200 --> 00:31:19.559
today? I think you can make it higher today,

00:31:19.700 --> 00:31:23.759
Eric. Let's go. And I always fail. and it's never

00:31:23.759 --> 00:31:27.099
a feeling like you failed me, I don't want you,

00:31:27.220 --> 00:31:29.819
or you're never going to get it. It's every day.

00:31:29.859 --> 00:31:31.880
You're going to give me some more Stephen? Stephen,

00:31:31.920 --> 00:31:34.240
can you give me a little more? Stephen, will

00:31:34.240 --> 00:31:37.019
you walk behind me while these people talk bad

00:31:37.019 --> 00:31:40.420
about me? Will you love them? Will you love them

00:31:40.420 --> 00:31:43.079
like your family, like I loved you when you didn't

00:31:43.079 --> 00:31:47.119
love me at all? It's a hard thing to do. It's

00:31:47.119 --> 00:31:50.240
a hard thing to love people who don't want anything

00:31:50.240 --> 00:31:53.240
to do with you. The way I can describe it is

00:31:53.240 --> 00:31:55.920
I'm in this lifeboat now and I'm trying to tell

00:31:55.920 --> 00:32:00.039
you yours has got a hole in it. Not because I'm

00:32:00.039 --> 00:32:03.380
smarter and you're not or anything, because I

00:32:03.380 --> 00:32:05.819
was on that boat a minute ago and this is the

00:32:05.819 --> 00:32:08.799
boat I got on and there is no holes. This boat

00:32:08.799 --> 00:32:11.779
works. Trying to change someone's mind is very

00:32:11.779 --> 00:32:14.460
hard. I want it first to happen. I really believe

00:32:14.460 --> 00:32:17.539
that I've seen heaven and hell. I can tell everybody.

00:32:17.559 --> 00:32:19.599
I can get on the news and I can tell them this

00:32:19.599 --> 00:32:22.150
happened. We all need to know. In the Bible,

00:32:22.150 --> 00:32:25.630
it talks about Lazarus and the rich man. Lazarus

00:32:25.630 --> 00:32:28.690
dies and goes to paradise. Abraham's bosom, that's

00:32:28.690 --> 00:32:32.009
the other hollow part inside the earth. And the

00:32:32.009 --> 00:32:34.410
rich man goes to hell. And one of the things

00:32:34.410 --> 00:32:36.869
the rich man says is, let me go back to my family

00:32:36.869 --> 00:32:39.650
so I can warn them that they don't come to this

00:32:39.650 --> 00:32:43.369
place. And Abraham responds to them, you've had

00:32:43.369 --> 00:32:47.029
all the prophets and all the scripture. Why would

00:32:47.029 --> 00:32:50.299
they believe you? And I cannot tell you how true

00:32:50.299 --> 00:32:53.500
that is. I cannot tell you how many different

00:32:53.500 --> 00:32:56.240
ways I've been told that I'm very uneducated.

00:32:56.400 --> 00:32:59.019
And I'm not. I'm not educated. I can't tell you

00:32:59.019 --> 00:33:01.460
how many times I've been told I'm crazy. Yeah,

00:33:01.519 --> 00:33:05.460
I'm crazy. But my question to anybody else is,

00:33:05.500 --> 00:33:07.759
because I'm uneducated and crazy, does that mean

00:33:07.759 --> 00:33:11.230
I'm wrong? No. So, Steve, you mentioned that

00:33:11.230 --> 00:33:14.049
you had never read the Bible before. Your experience

00:33:14.049 --> 00:33:16.670
happened five years ago. Sounds like you've read

00:33:16.670 --> 00:33:19.869
it a lot since, haven't you? I had to get into

00:33:19.869 --> 00:33:22.609
it because how else could I get to know Him?

00:33:23.069 --> 00:33:25.890
I couldn't just talk to Him. I didn't know how

00:33:25.890 --> 00:33:29.069
to do that. We can pray and we can get very close

00:33:29.069 --> 00:33:33.670
to God, but I didn't know how to pray. It says

00:33:33.670 --> 00:33:36.809
we can come boldly before the King. Because of

00:33:36.809 --> 00:33:39.190
Jesus, we can walk in. Back in the day, if you

00:33:39.190 --> 00:33:41.410
barged into the king's quarters, you'd lose your

00:33:41.410 --> 00:33:44.369
head. The Bible says we come before him boldly.

00:33:44.549 --> 00:33:46.369
One of the main things I want to tell people

00:33:46.369 --> 00:33:49.450
is get the correct perspective. He is so much

00:33:49.450 --> 00:33:52.910
higher than us, positionally speaking. We are

00:33:52.910 --> 00:33:56.309
insignificant. His love on us is the only thing

00:33:56.309 --> 00:33:59.369
that makes us important. But when we approach

00:33:59.369 --> 00:34:03.210
that type of power, we need to approach it understanding

00:34:03.210 --> 00:34:06.460
that I don't actually deserve the ability to

00:34:06.460 --> 00:34:09.000
be talking to you right now. The only reason

00:34:09.000 --> 00:34:13.280
I am is because you came down as Jesus, your

00:34:13.280 --> 00:34:17.039
son, and died. I have a two -year -old son, and

00:34:17.039 --> 00:34:19.079
I've got another one on the way. I couldn't give

00:34:19.079 --> 00:34:21.199
him up for anything in the world. I love that

00:34:21.199 --> 00:34:24.239
little boy so intensely. It's a feeling I can't

00:34:24.239 --> 00:34:27.239
explain. And there's days I think, man, I'm going

00:34:27.239 --> 00:34:30.400
back to hell. I deserve it. And then I look at

00:34:30.400 --> 00:34:33.659
my son, and I know because I felt this love from

00:34:33.659 --> 00:34:37.650
Jesus. Jesus loves my baby more than I do. I'm

00:34:37.650 --> 00:34:40.969
not physically capable of that. But he also loves

00:34:40.969 --> 00:34:44.750
me that same way. And I could never tell my son,

00:34:44.889 --> 00:34:47.510
you're not good enough. You failed me and I'm

00:34:47.510 --> 00:34:50.409
embarrassed of you. No, there's unconditional

00:34:50.409 --> 00:34:53.429
love there. People don't understand that either.

00:34:54.030 --> 00:34:57.409
You don't have to fix yourself up. And you don't

00:34:57.409 --> 00:34:59.250
have to listen to people that say, oh, you're

00:34:59.250 --> 00:35:01.389
going to hell for this, for that. I'll tell you

00:35:01.389 --> 00:35:03.849
something, I know why God... When I think about

00:35:03.849 --> 00:35:06.789
why God picked me to do and say this, one, it

00:35:06.789 --> 00:35:09.289
scares me for all of you. If the workers are

00:35:09.289 --> 00:35:12.130
so thin, I made it to the inspection line and

00:35:12.130 --> 00:35:16.550
I got a job. It really means that there's not

00:35:16.550 --> 00:35:20.349
really that many quality people that want to

00:35:20.349 --> 00:35:22.710
do this. I'm not saying that the people who are

00:35:22.710 --> 00:35:25.429
doing it are not quality. I'm saying I lived

00:35:25.429 --> 00:35:29.250
a life only for me and I accomplished nothing.

00:35:29.730 --> 00:35:32.150
And after this experience, when I broke down

00:35:32.150 --> 00:35:35.469
to my lowest, I said, God, Jesus, I can't make

00:35:35.469 --> 00:35:38.050
a right decision to save my life, literally.

00:35:38.289 --> 00:35:42.329
I can't do, it's all falling apart. So if you

00:35:42.329 --> 00:35:45.809
can give me anything to do, I'll do it because

00:35:45.809 --> 00:35:49.130
I can't do any of this. Everything I touch is

00:35:49.130 --> 00:35:50.889
sand. It's like trying to hold sand together.

00:35:50.889 --> 00:35:54.170
It just goes up between your fingers. So if you've

00:35:54.170 --> 00:35:56.349
got anything to do for me, I'd like to do it.

00:35:56.829 --> 00:36:00.639
Another thing I told God was, I wanna do it without

00:36:00.639 --> 00:36:03.519
you having to tell me a bunch and I wanna do

00:36:03.519 --> 00:36:05.940
it without me asking you a lot of questions.

00:36:06.780 --> 00:36:09.500
Because one of the things I find out is we really

00:36:09.500 --> 00:36:12.000
don't treat Jesus anywhere the way we should.

00:36:12.880 --> 00:36:15.539
So maybe if I just stop asking him why you're

00:36:15.539 --> 00:36:18.679
doing this or what's gonna happen, maybe if I

00:36:18.679 --> 00:36:21.639
just said, yes, I'll do it, maybe Jesus would

00:36:21.639 --> 00:36:24.659
get a break off of me for a little bit. Maybe

00:36:24.659 --> 00:36:28.260
I would stop being such a subject of sorrow.

00:36:28.799 --> 00:36:31.739
Alright, Steve. I have had so many questions

00:36:31.739 --> 00:36:34.679
as you've been talking, but I wanted to I didn't

00:36:34.679 --> 00:36:36.500
want to interrupt I want to let you finish and

00:36:36.500 --> 00:36:41.139
you did a fantastic job and wow What an experience

00:36:41.139 --> 00:36:45.059
is all I can say to start with but in no particular

00:36:45.059 --> 00:36:47.480
order I just want to ask you some things about

00:36:47.480 --> 00:36:49.780
what happened for example the mountain that you

00:36:49.780 --> 00:36:52.260
were going up Tell me a little bit about what

00:36:52.260 --> 00:36:54.619
it looked like was green. Was it snowy? What

00:36:54.619 --> 00:36:56.940
was it like? It was like something you would

00:36:56.940 --> 00:37:01.860
paint on a It was beautiful green. It was full

00:37:01.860 --> 00:37:05.920
of life. The people were emanating light. People

00:37:05.920 --> 00:37:08.039
were cheering for me. I could tell that as I

00:37:08.039 --> 00:37:10.360
was going up that mountain. There were people

00:37:10.360 --> 00:37:13.039
cheering for me. A lot of people say they got

00:37:13.039 --> 00:37:15.260
to meet loved ones and they got to see people.

00:37:16.179 --> 00:37:18.539
I heard a whistle. That's a loudest whistle.

00:37:19.219 --> 00:37:21.840
My grandfather, we'd be, we had like two acres

00:37:21.840 --> 00:37:24.500
that went down into the woods and to a creek.

00:37:24.960 --> 00:37:26.980
He could whistle us back to the house from the

00:37:26.980 --> 00:37:30.079
yard. And I look back on that sometimes and I

00:37:30.079 --> 00:37:32.760
cry thinking, I didn't get to look at grandpa

00:37:32.760 --> 00:37:35.760
and say hi. Like, was that him? There's people

00:37:35.760 --> 00:37:40.900
there. There's animals. I saw plowed land where

00:37:40.900 --> 00:37:43.780
you could plant stuff. We're obviously going

00:37:43.780 --> 00:37:47.400
to be eating food. I didn't feel like I was in

00:37:47.400 --> 00:37:50.079
a vapor body. I felt just like me. I felt more

00:37:50.079 --> 00:37:52.579
like me than I do now. You mentioned animals.

00:37:52.719 --> 00:37:56.179
You mentioned seeing a dinosaur. Yeah. And Steve,

00:37:56.420 --> 00:37:59.139
I just want to give you a little word of warning.

00:37:59.639 --> 00:38:02.099
People that see these things on YouTube tend

00:38:02.099 --> 00:38:05.579
to comment a lot, and we welcome all the comments.

00:38:06.300 --> 00:38:09.260
We had another guest on recently that mentioned

00:38:09.260 --> 00:38:12.619
seeing a dinosaur in their experience, and a

00:38:12.619 --> 00:38:15.380
few people on YouTube really railed on them for

00:38:15.380 --> 00:38:17.420
it, just saying that's stupid, that can't be

00:38:17.420 --> 00:38:21.980
possible. I believe you, okay? And I want you

00:38:21.980 --> 00:38:25.400
to know that I believe you. I'm just warning

00:38:25.400 --> 00:38:28.760
you, you're going to get a little negative feedback

00:38:28.760 --> 00:38:31.980
from some stuff and it's unfortunate, but people

00:38:31.980 --> 00:38:33.820
are going to say what they're going to say and

00:38:33.820 --> 00:38:35.840
we don't care. And I understand that. I honestly,

00:38:36.119 --> 00:38:38.679
I welcome any, anything. If you want to tell

00:38:38.679 --> 00:38:41.679
me to my face to, I've been told many things

00:38:41.679 --> 00:38:44.679
to go do. You can do that because that's the

00:38:44.679 --> 00:38:46.780
type of person I'm trying to talk to. As far

00:38:46.780 --> 00:38:49.440
as the dinosaur goes, I really look at that as

00:38:49.440 --> 00:38:51.579
my one talking point to tell you I'm not making

00:38:51.579 --> 00:38:55.019
this up because If I made this up, I definitely

00:38:55.019 --> 00:38:57.539
would have left that out because it would have

00:38:57.539 --> 00:39:00.820
been ridiculous. Yeah, you wouldn't want to sound

00:39:00.820 --> 00:39:03.500
crazy if you were making something up. I have

00:39:03.500 --> 00:39:06.699
to tell the truth. I can't not tell that because

00:39:06.699 --> 00:39:10.820
it was so fast on that mountain. I spoke a lot

00:39:10.820 --> 00:39:14.780
about it, but I have had more encounters after

00:39:14.780 --> 00:39:18.340
this. I met a man whose son had died on a motorcycle

00:39:18.340 --> 00:39:20.599
he'd bought for his 16th birthday. We were supposed

00:39:20.599 --> 00:39:23.130
to go to Israel. The night I purchased my tickets

00:39:23.130 --> 00:39:25.829
was the night that that terrorist attack happened.

00:39:26.230 --> 00:39:28.489
Our flights got canceled and I told my son, we'll

00:39:28.489 --> 00:39:29.909
go wherever God tells us to go and we're gonna

00:39:29.909 --> 00:39:33.389
do whatever he says. We got on planes the next

00:39:33.389 --> 00:39:35.769
trip we're going out. We're going to Belize.

00:39:36.170 --> 00:39:38.389
The jet is breaking down on the runway. They

00:39:38.389 --> 00:39:40.949
keep beating us on and we keep getting off. We

00:39:40.949 --> 00:39:43.349
didn't make that flight. They had to fly us cross

00:39:43.349 --> 00:39:45.690
country to Texas. And I didn't know there's only

00:39:45.690 --> 00:39:48.130
two flights to Belize from America a week. Like

00:39:48.130 --> 00:39:50.409
you'd miss them, that's it. told Bryce, I said,

00:39:50.429 --> 00:39:52.090
we're gonna let God pick our seats. I'm not even

00:39:52.090 --> 00:39:54.289
doing that. So this flight from Texas, we were

00:39:54.289 --> 00:39:56.050
in the very back and there's a man sitting next

00:39:56.050 --> 00:39:58.690
to me and he had the same wedding band I had.

00:39:58.789 --> 00:40:00.809
It had the Lord's Prayer on it. I'd lost mine.

00:40:01.289 --> 00:40:03.949
I said, I know you're saved. Lo and behold, it

00:40:03.949 --> 00:40:06.150
was the missionary to that entire country. He

00:40:06.150 --> 00:40:07.989
told me exactly how to get into the country,

00:40:08.230 --> 00:40:09.929
what paperwork I was gonna have to fill out when

00:40:09.929 --> 00:40:12.510
I got off of. Exactly everything I had to do

00:40:12.510 --> 00:40:15.210
was told to me. All because I didn't get out

00:40:15.210 --> 00:40:18.110
on that first day on that jet. When I get in

00:40:18.110 --> 00:40:20.829
country, I think I'm gonna go help people and

00:40:20.829 --> 00:40:25.070
do something. I instantly get sick and I'm urinating

00:40:25.070 --> 00:40:29.070
blood. I can't move. I'm in a shower and I can't

00:40:29.070 --> 00:40:32.769
move. I'm having multiple kidney stones. I guess

00:40:32.769 --> 00:40:35.889
the jets landing had rattled them loose. I mean,

00:40:35.929 --> 00:40:39.309
I really feel like I'm dying. It's not a fun

00:40:39.309 --> 00:40:41.909
thing to have. The whole time I just feel like

00:40:41.909 --> 00:40:44.510
Noah when he was naked. My son was having to

00:40:44.510 --> 00:40:46.690
go downstairs and get cranberry juice from the

00:40:46.690 --> 00:40:49.239
bar. come bring up to me and I can't even cover

00:40:49.239 --> 00:40:52.820
myself. That's how useless I can't move. And

00:40:52.820 --> 00:40:55.440
the first day that I could get down there, I

00:40:55.440 --> 00:40:57.599
went down there and was getting some more cranberry

00:40:57.599 --> 00:41:00.460
juice. And the bartender talks to me, I don't

00:41:00.460 --> 00:41:02.500
know where you're Steve, I want to be like you,

00:41:02.539 --> 00:41:07.420
but I don't know how to. Mercedes, would you

00:41:07.420 --> 00:41:09.519
tell me what's going on? He says, I drink and

00:41:09.519 --> 00:41:12.519
I use drugs and I do things, but there's a scar

00:41:12.519 --> 00:41:14.960
on my heart. I said, well, tell me. Ain't nothing

00:41:14.960 --> 00:41:17.019
I can't figure out. He goes, I gave my son a

00:41:17.019 --> 00:41:19.780
motorcycle, and he died on that motorcycle I

00:41:19.780 --> 00:41:21.800
gave him for his birthday. And then my wife took

00:41:21.800 --> 00:41:23.739
my other children and left to America, and I

00:41:23.739 --> 00:41:26.659
haven't seen them since. What words do I have

00:41:26.659 --> 00:41:30.079
for someone like that? You know, I have no experience.

00:41:30.800 --> 00:41:33.019
But in retrospect, it really wasn't me. It was

00:41:33.019 --> 00:41:36.079
watching my son go up and take care of me is

00:41:36.079 --> 00:41:39.420
what made his heart weak. He saw his son in mine.

00:41:40.099 --> 00:41:42.079
And I did have words for him, and they weren't

00:41:42.079 --> 00:41:44.159
mine. I told him, I said, the devil's going to

00:41:44.159 --> 00:41:47.239
tell you every day your son's gone. But you know

00:41:47.239 --> 00:41:49.460
what Jesus is saying. He says, I got your son

00:41:49.460 --> 00:41:51.760
right here, and we're both waiting on you. And

00:41:51.760 --> 00:41:54.519
we're both heartbroken because you're doing this

00:41:54.519 --> 00:41:57.940
to yourself. And after we had that conversation,

00:41:58.679 --> 00:42:01.619
he ended up talking to his mom. And she starts

00:42:01.619 --> 00:42:03.679
talking about, oh, my prayers are answered. My

00:42:03.679 --> 00:42:06.130
prayers are answered. And he said, mom. You kept

00:42:06.130 --> 00:42:08.170
on saying one day I was going to pray, and an

00:42:08.170 --> 00:42:09.750
angel would come down and tell me something.

00:42:10.449 --> 00:42:12.909
And she said, honey, do you think I'm ridiculous?

00:42:12.949 --> 00:42:15.809
She said, I did not think the Archangel Michael

00:42:15.809 --> 00:42:18.449
was going to come down and talk to you. She said

00:42:18.449 --> 00:42:20.550
the Holy Ghost was going to go put it on someone,

00:42:20.829 --> 00:42:22.449
and they were going to give the message that

00:42:22.449 --> 00:42:24.670
you needed to hear, and it was going to get sent

00:42:24.670 --> 00:42:27.610
to you. And when he told me that, still right

00:42:27.610 --> 00:42:30.449
now, the hair just stands up on my arms. How

00:42:30.449 --> 00:42:33.670
did I end up in the outer banks of Belize? I

00:42:33.670 --> 00:42:36.360
just picked a spot on a map. I just picked a

00:42:36.360 --> 00:42:38.139
resort, I just picked this and we just showed

00:42:38.139 --> 00:42:41.460
up here. I was sent here to talk to you because

00:42:41.460 --> 00:42:45.719
God wants you to know that's not true. These

00:42:45.719 --> 00:42:47.880
things that happen that you think are your fault

00:42:47.880 --> 00:42:50.300
and you have to drink all this away and bury

00:42:50.300 --> 00:42:54.320
it with drugs, not true. And one more thing I

00:42:54.320 --> 00:42:56.880
want to say is I told God I want to do things

00:42:56.880 --> 00:43:00.099
without asking questions or having to bother

00:43:00.099 --> 00:43:03.699
you. I really assumed a lot of responsibility.

00:43:03.820 --> 00:43:06.659
I'm still paying off medical bills from a surgery

00:43:06.659 --> 00:43:09.239
I had to have from that. I do believe if God

00:43:09.239 --> 00:43:10.739
had told me, hey, Stephen, you're going to go

00:43:10.739 --> 00:43:12.880
to this country and you're going to pee out four

00:43:12.880 --> 00:43:15.400
nasty kidney stones and there's no medical help

00:43:15.400 --> 00:43:18.739
on this island, I would not have gone. I promise

00:43:18.739 --> 00:43:21.280
you, I would not have gone. I can't do that.

00:43:21.760 --> 00:43:24.320
But because I told the Lord that I wouldn't ask

00:43:24.320 --> 00:43:27.260
questions and I'd go do it, I did something that

00:43:27.260 --> 00:43:30.219
I couldn't do. And it wasn't through me, but

00:43:30.219 --> 00:43:33.239
someone somehow got a message to this man that

00:43:33.239 --> 00:43:37.219
it's all right. Your son's here. I've sent you

00:43:37.219 --> 00:43:39.679
somebody that's seen the mountain. They're going

00:43:39.679 --> 00:43:42.179
to tell you it's all real. And I get to meet

00:43:42.179 --> 00:43:44.519
people everywhere I go. And when I was in Belize,

00:43:44.619 --> 00:43:47.139
I met a woman who had a, she was in a coma and

00:43:47.139 --> 00:43:48.760
she said Jesus met her and brought her out of

00:43:48.760 --> 00:43:52.179
it. I met the owner of q daddy's barbecue i don't

00:43:52.179 --> 00:43:54.980
know if that's just in virginia or a larger chain

00:43:54.980 --> 00:43:56.599
but i didn't know i was talking to the owner

00:43:56.599 --> 00:44:00.079
i told him my story said. I was in iraq and i

00:44:00.079 --> 00:44:04.219
stepped on an id and eod the explosive detail.

00:44:04.820 --> 00:44:06.960
Was there and they tried to disarm the bomb and

00:44:06.960 --> 00:44:08.980
they couldn't and they literally told this guy

00:44:08.980 --> 00:44:10.780
we're sorry but we're going back away and you

00:44:10.780 --> 00:44:12.980
have to get off this thing whatever happens happens

00:44:12.980 --> 00:44:15.789
later you find out that. terrorist will make

00:44:15.789 --> 00:44:17.610
pressure switch plates that will go off after

00:44:17.610 --> 00:44:20.250
two or three times that they're stepped on because

00:44:20.250 --> 00:44:21.769
they don't want to hit the first man in the group.

00:44:21.809 --> 00:44:23.809
They want to hit the middle of the group. So

00:44:23.809 --> 00:44:26.070
that's obviously what he did. But he told me

00:44:26.070 --> 00:44:29.769
as he got ready to step off of this bomb that

00:44:29.769 --> 00:44:31.869
an audible voice told him, you're not going to

00:44:31.869 --> 00:44:34.429
die today. I just wanted your attention. I get

00:44:34.429 --> 00:44:37.230
these stories all the time. They happen all the

00:44:37.230 --> 00:44:39.829
time. If you're hurting and you're feeling like

00:44:39.829 --> 00:44:42.690
nobody's there and there's nothing, that's not

00:44:42.690 --> 00:44:46.070
true. You can ask for help if you don't believe

00:44:46.070 --> 00:44:48.250
in it's me or Jesus. I tell people all the time

00:44:48.250 --> 00:44:50.590
You don't have to believe me. I believe enough

00:44:50.590 --> 00:44:52.969
if you ask. Hey Jesus. Are you there? Will you

00:44:52.969 --> 00:44:55.510
show me? You'll have your own experience. You

00:44:55.510 --> 00:44:58.409
don't have to rely on me. If anything, I'm just

00:44:58.409 --> 00:45:02.150
trying to warn people Don't be so secure. If

00:45:02.150 --> 00:45:04.489
you if you think you are good and you are going

00:45:04.489 --> 00:45:07.110
to heaven I hope you are and I hope you have

00:45:07.110 --> 00:45:09.150
that relationship with Jesus because that's the

00:45:09.150 --> 00:45:11.010
thing I learned that day was I didn't have a

00:45:11.010 --> 00:45:14.269
relationship with Jesus I have one with him now.

00:45:14.849 --> 00:45:17.849
I'm still afraid for the day I go back that he'll

00:45:17.849 --> 00:45:20.070
say, Stephen, you didn't talk to the one person

00:45:20.070 --> 00:45:22.750
I really wanted you to. You didn't talk to them.

00:45:22.829 --> 00:45:25.610
I'm so afraid to waste this second chance. That's

00:45:25.610 --> 00:45:27.929
the only fear I have. I don't have a fear of

00:45:27.929 --> 00:45:30.969
dying. I just have a fear of letting Jesus down

00:45:30.969 --> 00:45:34.630
because it's gonna happen. I've got to try not

00:45:34.630 --> 00:45:37.289
to. And that's the struggle we all go through.

00:45:38.010 --> 00:45:39.989
But that's the thing people need to learn is

00:45:39.989 --> 00:45:42.809
you're not gonna get clean in this life. You're

00:45:42.809 --> 00:45:45.510
not going to fix it. And if anything, the world's

00:45:45.510 --> 00:45:47.769
going to come crashing down on you as soon as

00:45:47.769 --> 00:45:50.449
you get close to anything supernatural. You'll

00:45:50.449 --> 00:45:52.309
see a dinosaur too, and then everybody will tell

00:45:52.309 --> 00:45:55.570
you you're a moron. But you'll have your experience,

00:45:55.610 --> 00:45:59.150
and then you can go to bed at night safe. Hell

00:45:59.150 --> 00:46:01.429
opened up less than 10 feet from where I go to

00:46:01.429 --> 00:46:04.849
bed every night. I don't ever think about that

00:46:04.849 --> 00:46:08.329
again. I don't ever worry about it. That's not

00:46:08.329 --> 00:46:10.829
something in my brain that doesn't even make

00:46:10.829 --> 00:46:15.969
sense. Does He expect us to be perfect? No. No.

00:46:16.409 --> 00:46:19.789
What does He expect of us? He expects us to be

00:46:19.789 --> 00:46:22.449
like children. Children who love our Father.

00:46:23.289 --> 00:46:26.150
And He brought you down to a humbled position

00:46:26.150 --> 00:46:28.769
where you had no choice but to do that. And you

00:46:28.769 --> 00:46:32.500
did that. And you called out to Him. Isn't it

00:46:32.500 --> 00:46:35.260
interesting how some people who, I've heard this

00:46:35.260 --> 00:46:38.280
from other people before too, that weren't very

00:46:38.280 --> 00:46:41.480
much of believers but for some reason something

00:46:41.480 --> 00:46:44.400
in them when they got desperate were calling

00:46:44.400 --> 00:46:48.159
out to Jesus anyway, even if an hour before if

00:46:48.159 --> 00:46:50.039
you would ask them they would have said, I don't

00:46:50.039 --> 00:46:52.679
know if I believe that stuff. It's funny that

00:46:52.679 --> 00:46:55.760
people talk about matters of the heart and I

00:46:55.760 --> 00:46:57.780
have people tell me, God will judge me on my

00:46:57.780 --> 00:46:59.380
heart. That's in the Bible and you don't want

00:46:59.380 --> 00:47:03.050
that. But they found a patch of neurons on the

00:47:03.050 --> 00:47:05.750
heart. There's brain material on your heart So

00:47:05.750 --> 00:47:07.510
when people are talking about my heart hurts

00:47:07.510 --> 00:47:09.550
or what it's what the heart wants Yeah, that's

00:47:09.550 --> 00:47:12.309
a real thing and it says in the Bible. You've

00:47:12.309 --> 00:47:16.150
got to circumcise the heart meaning Your heart's

00:47:16.150 --> 00:47:19.170
desires have to be let go Because those are what

00:47:19.170 --> 00:47:21.550
are gonna keep pulling you down and you're not

00:47:21.550 --> 00:47:24.889
gonna you'll never satisfy that It's an insatiable

00:47:24.889 --> 00:47:27.369
thing once we get a little of whatever we want.

00:47:27.389 --> 00:47:30.480
We want all of it But how low can you go? Can

00:47:30.480 --> 00:47:32.880
you cut your heart out for me? And as soon as

00:47:32.880 --> 00:47:35.159
it's empty, guess what? You're gonna realize

00:47:35.159 --> 00:47:37.980
it's full. You're born with a body, we all know

00:47:37.980 --> 00:47:40.039
that. And most of us believe we're born with

00:47:40.039 --> 00:47:42.219
a soul. But through the Christian teachings,

00:47:42.219 --> 00:47:46.000
you will get the spirit of God to come into you.

00:47:46.360 --> 00:47:48.699
And if you read into it, it's got like quantum

00:47:48.699 --> 00:47:51.099
mechanics, quantum entanglement going on. No

00:47:51.099 --> 00:47:53.480
matter where I am, I can stay with you. There's

00:47:53.480 --> 00:47:56.579
no distance. We can communicate. That sort of

00:47:56.579 --> 00:47:59.329
stuff is being resonated. when your heart's let

00:47:59.329 --> 00:48:01.690
out empty, it's ready to get filled back up.

00:48:02.329 --> 00:48:04.170
All right, very last thing today, and then I'm

00:48:04.170 --> 00:48:06.489
going to let you go, Steve. And by the way, I've

00:48:06.489 --> 00:48:09.929
appreciated your time and your insights. I just

00:48:09.929 --> 00:48:12.130
want you to leave us with one last thought, and

00:48:12.130 --> 00:48:14.730
that is, if somebody listening today doesn't

00:48:14.730 --> 00:48:17.949
know whether they should believe in, I'm just

00:48:17.949 --> 00:48:21.989
going to say generic, a God and an afterlife,

00:48:22.789 --> 00:48:25.610
in your opinion, based on your experience, why

00:48:25.610 --> 00:48:28.840
should they or shouldn't they believe? in my

00:48:28.840 --> 00:48:32.400
dealings afterwards and my work afterwards to

00:48:32.400 --> 00:48:35.300
get to this relationship with the supernatural.

00:48:35.460 --> 00:48:38.679
I don't ever talk to someone I'm not supposed

00:48:38.679 --> 00:48:43.059
to talk to. It's a very bizarre world. I ended

00:48:43.059 --> 00:48:44.940
up talking to a woman that had kidney problems

00:48:44.940 --> 00:48:47.260
and all of a sudden we're talking about her husband

00:48:47.260 --> 00:48:49.820
that committed suicide and she's talking to her

00:48:49.820 --> 00:48:53.420
estranged dad. There's someone that's hearing

00:48:53.420 --> 00:48:56.079
what I'm saying. And that's not thinking, all

00:48:56.079 --> 00:48:58.780
right, you're crazy, that's a dinosaur. There's

00:48:58.780 --> 00:49:01.260
someone I'm talking to that knows I'm talking

00:49:01.260 --> 00:49:03.980
to them. I'm not trying to argue with people

00:49:03.980 --> 00:49:06.179
that don't want to agree with me. That's fine.

00:49:06.300 --> 00:49:09.099
We're not going to agree. But there's someone

00:49:09.099 --> 00:49:10.639
that's going to watch this that goes, they're

00:49:10.639 --> 00:49:12.739
talking to me. They've been talking to me. Yes,

00:49:12.739 --> 00:49:17.079
I'm talking to you 100%. And you don't have to

00:49:17.079 --> 00:49:20.619
believe me. You don't have to go look it up.

00:49:21.000 --> 00:49:24.480
If you need God, you call out and you say, if

00:49:24.480 --> 00:49:28.280
you're there, I don't know who you are. I don't

00:49:28.280 --> 00:49:31.039
know if you're there. It says with an open heart,

00:49:31.139 --> 00:49:33.219
you can't say, God, you're not there and you

00:49:33.219 --> 00:49:35.880
don't show yourself. And then whatever, go on.

00:49:36.380 --> 00:49:39.079
If you have an open heart and say, if you're

00:49:39.079 --> 00:49:42.199
God, you are God and King of the universe. And

00:49:42.199 --> 00:49:45.099
I get down on my hands and knees and it's usually

00:49:45.099 --> 00:49:47.559
because things aren't going well. I've never

00:49:47.559 --> 00:49:49.599
met someone that was just... Things were going

00:49:49.599 --> 00:49:51.300
so great, they needed to talk to Jesus about

00:49:51.300 --> 00:49:53.940
it. We're just not built that way. If it's so

00:49:53.940 --> 00:49:56.139
much you can't handle it, say, God, I can't handle

00:49:56.139 --> 00:49:58.659
it anymore. It's crushing me. I'm not going to

00:49:58.659 --> 00:50:03.940
make it. I need you to lift it. God says his

00:50:03.940 --> 00:50:06.820
yoke is easy. He's going to take most of that

00:50:06.820 --> 00:50:11.039
burden. Give it a shot. Be open to it. And I'm

00:50:11.039 --> 00:50:14.519
telling you, I have no ESP power. I can't make

00:50:14.519 --> 00:50:17.260
anything move. I'm a regular person. But if I,

00:50:17.260 --> 00:50:20.889
with my heart, my whole heart. You got to get

00:50:20.889 --> 00:50:26.230
it out. Ask God, why is this happening? Why can't

00:50:26.230 --> 00:50:31.809
I? Where do I go? If that's you, ask him. Ask

00:50:31.809 --> 00:50:34.550
him to show you. It'll happen. But you have to

00:50:34.550 --> 00:50:37.730
look for it. You have to be waiting. You can't

00:50:37.730 --> 00:50:40.150
ask for something and demand it from the God

00:50:40.150 --> 00:50:42.369
of the universe and expect it to be here tomorrow,

00:50:42.570 --> 00:50:45.969
first class mail. It's going to happen when it

00:50:45.969 --> 00:50:49.469
should happen. how it should happen. So many

00:50:49.469 --> 00:50:52.210
times in my life I've been greedy or, God, why

00:50:52.210 --> 00:50:54.510
hasn't this happened? And man, I want it to happen

00:50:54.510 --> 00:50:57.369
now every single time when it happens because

00:50:57.369 --> 00:50:59.849
I've kept my faith and I have all the feelings

00:50:59.849 --> 00:51:02.090
everybody else does. Why did this happen? Why,

00:51:02.090 --> 00:51:05.110
why? But I won't yell out, why did you do this

00:51:05.110 --> 00:51:07.170
or make it better? I just keep saying, forgive

00:51:07.170 --> 00:51:09.289
me. Forgive me for feeling this way because I

00:51:09.289 --> 00:51:11.809
know it's not right. But I feel a certain way,

00:51:11.849 --> 00:51:14.630
God, it doesn't feel good. God's playing chess

00:51:14.630 --> 00:51:16.730
with all the pieces. We're one of the pawns.

00:51:16.730 --> 00:51:19.409
We don't get to see the moves. If you're facing

00:51:19.409 --> 00:51:21.570
the queen and you know you're going to die, go

00:51:21.570 --> 00:51:23.829
ahead and face it because you don't know what's

00:51:23.829 --> 00:51:28.150
next to you. You can't see that far. But when

00:51:28.150 --> 00:51:30.409
you get there, it'll make sense and it'll help

00:51:30.409 --> 00:51:33.289
you. I've never done something that I've felt

00:51:33.289 --> 00:51:35.170
like, oh yeah, God, I can do that. That's easy.

00:51:35.510 --> 00:51:38.769
Every time I've gone, God, I don't know if I

00:51:38.769 --> 00:51:41.690
can do that. I don't know if I can do that. Guess

00:51:41.690 --> 00:51:44.070
what? He knows a little bit more than you. It'll

00:51:44.070 --> 00:51:47.550
be okay, I promise. You just gotta put your arms

00:51:47.550 --> 00:51:51.929
out. That's it. It's just like, dad, I need someone.

00:51:52.090 --> 00:51:54.869
Just as a child, that's how you need to be. Break

00:51:54.869 --> 00:51:57.730
it down to how I feel when my son puts his arms

00:51:57.730 --> 00:52:00.190
out for me, if he's been hurt, the way I hold

00:52:00.190 --> 00:52:03.309
him and he grabs me around my neck, ask for that

00:52:03.309 --> 00:52:05.849
from God and you'll get it. Because if you are

00:52:05.849 --> 00:52:08.469
his child and you're asking for him, why wouldn't

00:52:08.469 --> 00:52:11.260
he come get you and hold you? Thank you for your

00:52:11.260 --> 00:52:14.539
insights. I really appreciate it. Should we have

00:52:14.539 --> 00:52:17.139
any fear of death? There is no fear of death

00:52:17.139 --> 00:52:20.480
for me. I'm going home. I'm ready to go home.

00:52:24.000 --> 00:52:26.460
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