From the time that they pronounced me dead was
a good 45 minutes. They cut my clothes and then
they paddled my heart, my heart stopped and I
could see people screaming and crying but I didn't
realize that was actually my physical body because
I was somewhere else. The only thing that I could
feel if you could imagine absolute love and peace
there wasn't anything else to be felt. I was
greeted by people I'd known in the past. I'm
back home again. Incredibly safe and felt at
home. Welcome, welcome to Round Trip Death, everybody.
And a very warm welcome to our special guest
today, Linda Flagler. How are you, Linda? I'm
great. Thank you, Eric. Good. You're up there
in Canada. Tell us what's around you. Give us
a little geography. Well, I'm in a city called
Cambridge, Ontario. There's like three cities,
Cambridge, Kitchener, and Waterloo. They're almost
like connected, kind of go from one street and
then you're in the next town sort of thing. And
I really like it. It's a beautiful area. I know
you're not right on one of the Great Lakes, but
you're sort of surrounded by them, aren't you?
Yes, I've been here just five years. I moved
up here to be close to my daughters. I have twin
daughters. They live one in Kitchener, one in
Braslaw, which is also very close to here. And
I was from Peterborough, and that's connected
directly to the Great Lakes. Okay. Well, I've
already kind of coerced you into telling us a
little bit about yourself, but that's our first
order of business each week. So tell us, who
is Linda? Well, I have an honours degree from
Trent University in Peterborough, Ontario. I
went back to school after 10 years. And after
finishing school, I worked for two and a half
years with developmentally delayed adults and
Down syndrome and adults with autism. After that,
I went to work with YWCA Crossroads Women's Shelter,
working with abused women and children. Well,
you're one of those good people. Thank you. You
know what I mean. There's some people that just
make money in business all their career and others
that just do good. So anyway, thank you for all
you do. But let's jump into it. You've had a
couple of near -death experiences and they're
different from each other and they were spread
out of ways. Let's talk about the first one first.
And this one is not a really traditional near
-death experience, shall we say. The second one
is a little bit more down those lines, but tell
us about the car wreck a few years back. Well,
what happened is I worked a lot of midnights
at the shelter because I was what is called relief
stop. So when you're hired there, you start at
the bottom and then you work as relief, then
you go to part -time and full -time as a counselor.
I was relieved, so I get all the really if the
midnight. And so I was coming home in the morning,
and my car hit black ice. And when it did, I
lost total control of my car. It spun in circles
one direction, and it spun in circles the other
direction. And it just kept spinning. No matter
what I did, I could not get it out of this spin.
I thought, this is it. I'm going to get hit.
Somebody is going to hit me. And I thought, if
they do, that's it. I'm dead. And so I said a
prayer to God. I said, if I'm going to die, please
don't let it be too painful. And immediately
after I said that prayer, my car filled up with
white light to the point I could no longer see
the road. I couldn't see out the windows. I couldn't
see my rear view mirror. It was like it was gone.
All I could see was white light. It was like
I was sitting in a real white cloud. And at that
moment, I heard a voice say, stop steering. And
without even thinking why, I would hear a voice.
I said, but I kind of got to get the car through,
and somebody's going to hit me. So I was like
steering for a second, even though I could not
see the road. And then I realized I can't see.
And then I heard the voice even louder. Again,
say, stop steering. And I said in my mind, OK,
this is it. Took my hands off the wheel completely.
I put off the gas, and I think it was on the
right, too. I'm not sure. I was so panicked.
Then the car slowed itself down and backed itself
across the highway into a shallow ditch. I came
out without a scratch, so did the car. A family
in a van driving by saw me in the ditch. They
picked me up and took me home. But the weird
part about this, if this isn't weird enough,
the night before that I always had a couple hours
not before I went in to work. And when I went
to go upstairs to bed, I looked out the front
door and I could see that it was starting to
snow out. And I thought, oh no, another slippery
winter drive. And I thought I might be okay because
it's just starting to snow. So I went up to bed,
but I was tossing and turning like, what's it
going to be like in the morning? I know it's
okay now. What's it going to be like in the morning?
What's it going to be like? And all of a sudden
I saw myself in a vision in my car spinning.
And I'm like, what is going on? And they always
say, you're having a car accident. I've never
had a vision before. So I pick up any kind. It
scared me because I could feel the fear of that
actually happening. And I kind of pulled myself
out of it. And I'm like, what was that? I went
running downstairs. I wanted to phone in to work
and say, I can't come in. Well, what could I
say? I had a vision, and if I drive to work,
I'm going to have a car accident. That's really
not a good excuse for calling in on your shift
at 10 o 'clock at night when you're supposed
to start at 11. So I went to work hardly believing
what had happened, and I got there fine. It was
slippery, but on the way home, that's when my
car hit black heights. All right. I want to play
devil's advocate for a second because This is
the kind of thing that I usually don't call a
near -death experience. I call it just sort of
a brush with death, right? But there's some differences
here, and that is the bright light. Can you explain
to me the bright light? Was this headlights from
a semi -truck, or was this a light from something
else? It was a day light. Headlights still flashing
in your eyes. I know that experience since I
drove a lot at night. I know what that feels
like. This was completely... surrounded by white
light, and I could not see my rear view mirror,
and I could not look out and see the road. It
was not headlights, Eric, I assure you. Okay,
you've had a few years to think about this. Can
you explain the white light? Do you have any
thoughts as to what it was or represented? Well,
I would say I very much believe in the power
of prayer. My whole life I've had great faith
in God and I believe I called out and I feel
like it could have been an angel, a divine presence.
I can't fully explain it myself, but I know,
say you say it could have been headlights, right?
Well then explain to me that voice that said
stop steering twice. Well that's my next question
because I'm just asking your opinion. Who do
you think that voice was? Well, I would say the
voice was like either a spirit guide or a guardian
angel. Well, those would be my guesses too. I
just was hoping that maybe you had come up with
something. One or the other. Yeah. Those are
pretty closely related anyway, aren't they? They
are. Yeah, I've seen both. And then how your
car did what it did to keep you safe. Would you
attribute that to this guardian angel as well?
I would because it was the way, see, not only
did it, it took itself under the spin, the ditch
could have went close to the ditch where I decided
I was on. it was closer, like it marked itself
across the whole highway, which was farther than
the other side was closer. I'm going to give
our audience what I call a woo -woo alert, because
there are some times that we were very serious
about Everything and very calm and still and
there's other times where people would say what
you're talking about kind of woo -woo Whatever
woo -woo means we're jumping into that now. So
here's the woo -woo alert everybody now when
people have had a near -death experience They
often come back and have some kind of a spiritual
gift whether that is being spiritually connected
with angels or people who have died or or talents
like playing the piano or had someone on the
show that after her NDE, she could understand
animals' thoughts, things like that. So tell
me what happened to you shortly after this experience.
Well, within three days after that happened,
at night I started seeing people standing beside
my bed. At first, I thought it was my imagination.
And the reason why I did it was because they
all appeared to be from different centuries,
like period clothing of centuries going back
to, I'd say, the 12th century, approximately.
I thought, well, why is your imagination doing
that? I didn't think, at first, it was dead people.
And I would lay in bed and go, what did you watch
on TV? And I would go, friends, Fraser? comedies,
because that's what I like to watch. Until one
night, I was by myself in the house. They weren't
talking to me. They were just standing there
looking at me. And then one night, I was by myself.
My boyfriend was on midnights in the factory
where he worked. My daughters were on a sleepover.
They were 10 years old at the time. And I was
laying up in bed thinking about what I had to
do the next day, that the shelter was going to
call me. I got to do laundry. I got to do groceries.
You know, just general stuff. And all of a sudden
I heard what sounded, and I was laying north
of my eyes closed, all of a sudden I heard what
sounded like a real old man's voice go, I beg
your pardon. And I thought, oh my God, there's
an old man in my bed. How did he get in here?
And I was scared to open my eyes for a couple
of minutes, but then I thought I got a deal with
this man in my bed. I opened my eyes and there
was nobody there. And that's when I realized
that was a dead person. So were the other people
that for several weeks were standing beside my
bed every night. So to make a long story short,
after that, I became a medium with the ability,
because once I heard that one person, I started
to be able to connect. Like, I'm leaving a lot
out here, but people started calling me for readings,
and I realized I then had the ability. to communicate
with people that have the height. Okay. Certainly
not expected. Was that really scary at first,
to see these people? Well, just that particular
night when I was by myself, I nearly ran downstairs,
lit up a cigarette because I smoked at the time.
I don't anymore. Plugged in my tea kettle and
waited for all the dead people to call the police
because I thought that was what was going to
happen. And at that point, I heard a thought
to me, which I now know is a spirit guy say,
look, Linda, you can choose to be afraid of this
or you can develop a sense of humor. So that
was like a ray of hope. I said, I can do the
hat. So I stood in my kitchen all by myself and
said, look, I don't know what all you dead people
do for sleep, but I'm going to get something.
I'm going to bed, leave me alone. So I marched
up, see I was going to bed. They left me alone
for about three or four days and then they all
started coming back. and I've been seeing them
and hearing them ever since. You know what this
reminds me of? Have you seen the TV show called
Ghosts? I love that. Jennifer loved Hewitt. I
used to watch it all the time. And the show Medium.
No, there's a new show out called Ghosts. It's
more of a comedy. Oh, the new one? I know the
new one, yeah. Yeah, it's about a couple that
have this old house and it came with Ghosts.
The woman had an accident, if I remember right,
bonked her head or something and and sees these
ghosts all the time now that nobody else can
see and she can hear them. And that's what I'm
picturing. And I don't mean that in any kind
of a making fun of way. But that's what I'm picturing.
Is it anything like that for you? Oh, it is,
Eric, because I never know who I'm going to see.
Like I can be sound asleep in my bed. Like, I
mean, I sleep and I'll hear Linda. Linda, Linda.
I'm so used to it. Now I go, what, what? And
I'll roll around and be somebody standing beside
my bed or sitting on it. And they'll say what
they want to say. And I'll say, OK, I'll tell
them. And then they go. Are they always friendly
ghosts or spirits? Mostly. Some aren't. The ones
that seem to be, I would say, more angry is murder
victims. because they have lost their lives.
Somebody just took their life. And after, this
is a whole other story too, so we could talk
for hours, but I became a licensed private investigator
because I did start to see spirits of murder
victims wanting my help. So they had you help
solve the crime? Well, in some cases, it's hard
for the police to recognize it, but... When I
do call in, I have been right a great deal of
times. It's something over the years I kind of
pull back a little from because it's the images
are very almost traumatic to see because I'll
see what's happening with that person, how their
death occurred, why, you know, it's especially
difficult in the case of children. Okay, I'm
not sure what to do with that, but we're going
to move on. I want to fast forward to your more
recent, more traditional near -death experience.
Would you tell us what led up to that? I was
in a relationship that became very difficult
and abusive, and the doctor put me on a set of
colchonazepam. I was supposed to take one or
two a day. I was taking like six or seven. The
drugstore was closed at Christmas time. I went
to get my prescription, and it was closed for
two weeks. So I ended up withdrawing off that
drug, which I didn't know how strong it actually
was. And after three days, I started having,
like, seizures. And I was feeling really ill,
and I realized it was too bad. I was lying on
my right side. I went to roll over on my left
side, and I didn't make it that far. I left my
body and started floating up. And the first thing
I saw... was my guides sitting in a church praying
for me. And then I floated higher, and then I
saw Mother Teresa. And I'm not Catholic, but
that's who I saw. And she said, I'm praying for
you. Then I floated higher. Then I saw Edgar
Cayce, who was a prominent psychic in like the
1940s, who did over 15 ,000 medical readings
for people while in a deep state of sleep. and
it could never be proven wrong by doctors, although
they tried. I said to him, what are you doing?
He said, I'm talking to you. And he just sat
and smiled at me. And I floated higher. Then
I saw St. Peter. He was standing. It looked like
a speaker's podium. And he said, we're going
to put back everything the way it was. I floated
a little bit higher past him. And I saw what
looked like a throne. And somehow I felt it to
be the throne of God. And at that moment, I heard
a voice say to me, you have been chosen to sit
at the right hand of God. And for some reason
unknown to me, I said, I can't sit there. That's
Jesus' place. And as soon as I said that, I felt
myself falling and falling and falling. I felt
like from a very high distance. And I started
to get scared, but I was going to hit and boom,
and back in my bed. But then after that, I don't
think I fully realized what had happened. But
after that, I started flying out of my body.
And for the next two, three hours, I kept flying
out of my body, eating my body, and going to
different places all over the world. I forgot
most of them now, but the only one I really remember
was Egypt. And when I ended up in Egypt, I ended
up in a pyramid. There was like an outer wall
and an inner wall. I could see myself traveling
down between the two walls. and started to feel
claustrophobic. So I say, I want out of here.
Soon as I said that, I was in the main part of
the pyramid. It was big and open. And at that
point, I saw Cleopatra. And I saw her as clear
as I'm seeing you now, perhaps clearer. And she
spoke to me what I don't remember what message
she gave me, something about eternal life. And
then I was back after that, and just the result,
like you said, the after -effects of that was
just my abilities as a medium thought even a
lot stronger. And I began to physically feel
it, if a spirit would touch me, grab me or poke
me, as if that person was alive. So you had not
felt the spirits previously, but you do now sometimes.
Not to touch me. Before previously, I could feel
strongly how a person died. I can honestly say
I know what it's like to be shot, stabbed in
the back, and drowned. And the sensations, you
know, people, you hear mediums talk, and they'll
say, I feel pressure in my chest or whatever.
It's like, oh, no, no, no. I can tell you what
it really feels like. And I asked my wife to
take that away because I felt it too strong.
So for a number of years, that kind of stopped,
where I don't feel that anymore the way I did.
You know, you can tell me how you died, but don't
make me feel that. That's great that you have
some control over it. And frankly, I'm glad I
don't have your gift. That doesn't sound fun
to me. You know what, dear? A lot of people say
that to me. Yeah. Again, going back to that time
in the kitchen, my guys had even developed a
sense of humour. That's what I do. I laugh and
I joke and I joke about what I do. I'm being
pretty serious now, I know. But you speak to
me and when I do a reading for people and to
connect with their loved ones, I like to make
them laugh so that they know they don't have
to be afraid of death. Okay, I want to go back
and ask some questions. This drug interaction,
I wasn't clear. Did you have some kind of an
interaction or a withdrawal or an accidental
overdose? Exactly, what was it? It was more of
an overdose, taking too much and then cutting
off of it. I mean, they told me later at the
hospital that I could have died. Yeah, I did.
Yeah, because even though it's a tiny pill, it's
very, very, very strong. There's a lot of damage
if you misuse it. I have to play devil's advocate
again just for a second. I'm not trying to give
you a hard time, I promise, Linda. But there's
got to be some people that say, oh it was a drug
overdose and so you saw all these things. What
do you say to that? The thing is I had been off
the drug for several days. It had almost been
out of my system by that point. I was not hosting
or anything like that, and I had been off of
it for several days before that happened. I also
find really interesting the fact that you saw
these Catholic figures, Mother Teresa, Saint
Peter, a throne, which I guess would be kind
of a Christian thing. Then you saw Cleopatra.
I don't get it. Well, I can tell you, dear, I
don't get it either. OK. Even initially, when
I saw those people staying beside my bed, why?
I can ask myself this question as much as you.
Why was I seeing people from different time periods
in the beginning instead of people that died,
say, 10 years ago? Why was I seeing people going
back to the 8th, 9th, 10th century? I can tell
you why, but that's a whole other show. Because
I don't know why, but at the time, I didn't.
It's a very good question. And you know, at that
time, why did I see Cleopatra? Well, again, I
can answer that, but how many times do you want
me to be on your show? I just want a 30 -second
answer, that's all. Well, I believe I never used
you. but I believe wholeheartedly now in reincarnation.
And I believe that was a past life experience.
Okay. How did you know who these people were?
Did they introduce themselves or did you just
for some reason know them? The people from the
different time periods I didn't know. The people
that come now, mostly they'll tell me their names.
Well, I was asking about during the NDE when
you saw St. Peter Cleopatra, Mother Teresa. As
he sat and I recognized him. He said, of course,
I've seen pictures of him. But one night after
my first near -death experience with the car,
I woke up to see him, a man walking through my
bedroom, walking in front of my bed wearing a
three -piece suit. I saw him from kind of the
back and the side. the spirit. And I said, excuse
me. I said, who are you? And he said, I'm Edgar
Cayce, dear. And he just proceeded to walk through
the door and out. But Saint Peter, how did you
know that that was him? I don't know, Eric. I
don't have an answer for that. People in Christianity
tend to believe there is a Saint Peter who will
stand at the gates of heaven and kind of direct
track it, right? And I don't have an explanation
as to why. is certainly something I didn't create
in my mind. This is there he was standing at
what looked like some sort of a podium. And he
said, we are going to put things back the way
they were. That's OK. I'm just asking all the
hard questions today. That's all. The other thing
that I found interesting about that is it seems
that a lot of people during their NDE see people
or angels that they are familiar with. Christians
often see Jesus or somebody else through that
religion. Buddhists sometimes see Buddha, et
cetera, et cetera. And you're not Catholic, yet
you saw Catholic figures. And that's unusual.
I think it's interesting. It's interesting. So
I've read about in your death experiences and
that people do see Jesus in angels. I didn't
at that time, but guess what? Now I do. Now I
do. Just within the last year, I started to see
angels that I've never seen before, images of
Jesus coming to me that I've never seen before.
And over time, since the second near death experience,
it's like my abilities get stronger and stronger.
I call these almost like after effects. And if
you look to people like study these after effects.
Well, one of mine era was that I began to speak
different languages. The first one, I was actually
sitting on my toilet. I was feeling pretty down.
You're allowed to say toilet on this show. It's
OK. Thank you. So I thought if I said a prayer,
it would cheer me up. So I started trying to
say a prayer out loud and instead came out these
different words that I didn't understand. So
I said, oh, stop babbling. Just pray. So I tried
to pray again, and it came these words. So I
made a recording on cassette tape and took it
to a counselor I was seeing at the time. And
she said, I think that sounds like Hebrew. She
said, I have a friend that's a professor at the
University of Toronto. I'll tape the tape to
her and see what she thinks. So when I come back
to her the next week, she said, well, She says
it is Hebrew. It's ancient Hebrew. And at the
time, I didn't follow up on it. But then years
later, within the last few years, I decided one
day just to try to speak Hebrew in. And I did,
because I sent my phone for Google Translate.
I said, Hebrew. Around that time, I connected
with a paranormal research scientist, Steven
Schwartz, in the States. had many conversations
over the last couple of years. He took it to
one recording to a rabbi. The rabbi said it's
an old -fashioned Hebrew, and he wouldn't touch
it after that, because it's so big. Somebody
that can do what I can do, channel different
languages in that culture, thought it was being
a witch. And the rabbi, and any rabbi Stephen
tried to approach would not have anything to
do with that. Then I sent a page of type language
to another professor in the States, and he said,
that's modern Hebrew. So in total, I've spoken
three different forms of Hebrew. On top of that,
83 other languages. And any languages I've tried
to speak, I've been able to. But when I speak
Hebrew, that's my favorite because I can get
the most information. I know a great deal about
Israel. present and going back centuries to the
time of the Torah before. Names of towns, cities,
kibbutzes that don't even exist anymore, businesses,
restaurants, food, everything, as well as information
about physics, advanced math, mathematics, human
genealogy, ancient Greek playwrights, just a
lot of stuff. So I stayed connected with Stephen
Swartz. I continue to speak to him. to this a
day. He was a creator and a pioneer of extended
remote viewing. And he's worked with a number
of people who are mediums over his life. Okay,
I'd like to know what you've learned from all
this. Seems like these experiences are always
to teach the person that has the experience.
Often there's a message for other people too.
What do you think is yours? Well, my intention
And my wish is to teach people there's nothing
to fear in death. And all death is is crossing
over, literally, from this life, physical life,
to the other side, which is non -physical life.
And by the way, it feels exactly the same as
this life. And every bit is physical to those
on the other side. It's not like you're living
in a cloud flowing around unless you want to.
It's a very physical feeling reality. And I want
to teach people, you don't have to be afraid
of death. I want to teach people to realize,
I'm not going to sound religious here, but the
kingdom of God is within you. And to have faith,
you have faith in God. It's the same as having
you have faith in yourself. And so I want to
teach people, you need to trust in yourself.
You need to trust. What would you say to somebody
that's having a rough day today? Maybe lost a
loved one, maybe is kind of giving up on hope.
I would start by saying, look up, don't look
down. Look up, look up to the sky instead of
looking down at the ground. Look up and say,
I will get through this because I always have.
That's beautiful. Thank you very much for being
with me. If anybody wants to reach out to you.
You said that I could put your email address
in the show notes. You still cool with that?
If so, I'll put them in there. Yes, I am. Okay,
I'll do that. This has been really interesting,
Linda. I appreciate you joining me today. Thanks,
Eric. Thanks again for listening and sharing
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