WEBVTT 00:00:03.700 --> 00:00:06.719 From the time that they pronounced me dead was 00:00:06.719 --> 00:00:10.220 a good 45 minutes. They cut my clothes and then 00:00:10.220 --> 00:00:13.560 they paddled my heart, my heart stopped and I 00:00:13.560 --> 00:00:17.079 could see people screaming and crying but I didn't 00:00:17.079 --> 00:00:19.480 realize that was actually my physical body because 00:00:19.480 --> 00:00:22.800 I was somewhere else. The only thing that I could 00:00:22.800 --> 00:00:26.780 feel if you could imagine absolute love and peace 00:00:26.780 --> 00:00:29.820 there wasn't anything else to be felt. I was 00:00:29.820 --> 00:00:32.820 greeted by people I'd known in the past. I'm 00:00:32.820 --> 00:00:36.240 back home again. Incredibly safe and felt at 00:00:36.240 --> 00:00:41.359 home. Welcome, welcome to Round Trip Death, everybody. 00:00:41.759 --> 00:00:44.799 And a very warm welcome to our special guest 00:00:44.799 --> 00:00:48.280 today, Linda Flagler. How are you, Linda? I'm 00:00:48.280 --> 00:00:51.719 great. Thank you, Eric. Good. You're up there 00:00:51.719 --> 00:00:54.759 in Canada. Tell us what's around you. Give us 00:00:54.759 --> 00:00:58.890 a little geography. Well, I'm in a city called 00:00:58.890 --> 00:01:02.750 Cambridge, Ontario. There's like three cities, 00:01:03.049 --> 00:01:06.390 Cambridge, Kitchener, and Waterloo. They're almost 00:01:06.390 --> 00:01:08.829 like connected, kind of go from one street and 00:01:08.829 --> 00:01:11.530 then you're in the next town sort of thing. And 00:01:11.530 --> 00:01:15.129 I really like it. It's a beautiful area. I know 00:01:15.129 --> 00:01:17.530 you're not right on one of the Great Lakes, but 00:01:17.530 --> 00:01:19.569 you're sort of surrounded by them, aren't you? 00:01:20.109 --> 00:01:22.650 Yes, I've been here just five years. I moved 00:01:22.650 --> 00:01:25.109 up here to be close to my daughters. I have twin 00:01:25.109 --> 00:01:28.450 daughters. They live one in Kitchener, one in 00:01:28.450 --> 00:01:31.569 Braslaw, which is also very close to here. And 00:01:31.569 --> 00:01:34.510 I was from Peterborough, and that's connected 00:01:34.510 --> 00:01:39.049 directly to the Great Lakes. Okay. Well, I've 00:01:39.049 --> 00:01:42.250 already kind of coerced you into telling us a 00:01:42.250 --> 00:01:44.349 little bit about yourself, but that's our first 00:01:44.349 --> 00:01:47.909 order of business each week. So tell us, who 00:01:47.909 --> 00:01:51.909 is Linda? Well, I have an honours degree from 00:01:51.909 --> 00:01:55.599 Trent University in Peterborough, Ontario. I 00:01:55.599 --> 00:01:59.579 went back to school after 10 years. And after 00:01:59.579 --> 00:02:02.620 finishing school, I worked for two and a half 00:02:02.620 --> 00:02:06.239 years with developmentally delayed adults and 00:02:06.239 --> 00:02:10.479 Down syndrome and adults with autism. After that, 00:02:10.580 --> 00:02:16.240 I went to work with YWCA Crossroads Women's Shelter, 00:02:16.360 --> 00:02:19.439 working with abused women and children. Well, 00:02:19.439 --> 00:02:23.000 you're one of those good people. Thank you. You 00:02:23.000 --> 00:02:26.560 know what I mean. There's some people that just 00:02:26.560 --> 00:02:29.000 make money in business all their career and others 00:02:29.000 --> 00:02:31.340 that just do good. So anyway, thank you for all 00:02:31.340 --> 00:02:34.319 you do. But let's jump into it. You've had a 00:02:34.319 --> 00:02:37.099 couple of near -death experiences and they're 00:02:37.099 --> 00:02:38.919 different from each other and they were spread 00:02:38.919 --> 00:02:42.599 out of ways. Let's talk about the first one first. 00:02:43.360 --> 00:02:48.080 And this one is not a really traditional near 00:02:48.080 --> 00:02:51.520 -death experience, shall we say. The second one 00:02:51.520 --> 00:02:53.900 is a little bit more down those lines, but tell 00:02:53.900 --> 00:02:56.379 us about the car wreck a few years back. Well, 00:02:56.620 --> 00:02:59.319 what happened is I worked a lot of midnights 00:02:59.319 --> 00:03:02.639 at the shelter because I was what is called relief 00:03:02.639 --> 00:03:05.340 stop. So when you're hired there, you start at 00:03:05.340 --> 00:03:08.080 the bottom and then you work as relief, then 00:03:08.080 --> 00:03:10.620 you go to part -time and full -time as a counselor. 00:03:10.990 --> 00:03:14.610 I was relieved, so I get all the really if the 00:03:14.610 --> 00:03:18.550 midnight. And so I was coming home in the morning, 00:03:18.870 --> 00:03:22.110 and my car hit black ice. And when it did, I 00:03:22.110 --> 00:03:25.849 lost total control of my car. It spun in circles 00:03:25.849 --> 00:03:28.530 one direction, and it spun in circles the other 00:03:28.530 --> 00:03:31.210 direction. And it just kept spinning. No matter 00:03:31.210 --> 00:03:33.629 what I did, I could not get it out of this spin. 00:03:34.050 --> 00:03:36.469 I thought, this is it. I'm going to get hit. 00:03:36.569 --> 00:03:39.270 Somebody is going to hit me. And I thought, if 00:03:39.270 --> 00:03:42.319 they do, that's it. I'm dead. And so I said a 00:03:42.319 --> 00:03:44.919 prayer to God. I said, if I'm going to die, please 00:03:44.919 --> 00:03:48.520 don't let it be too painful. And immediately 00:03:48.520 --> 00:03:52.379 after I said that prayer, my car filled up with 00:03:52.379 --> 00:03:55.580 white light to the point I could no longer see 00:03:55.580 --> 00:03:58.340 the road. I couldn't see out the windows. I couldn't 00:03:58.340 --> 00:04:00.500 see my rear view mirror. It was like it was gone. 00:04:00.879 --> 00:04:03.479 All I could see was white light. It was like 00:04:03.479 --> 00:04:06.560 I was sitting in a real white cloud. And at that 00:04:06.560 --> 00:04:10.229 moment, I heard a voice say, stop steering. And 00:04:10.229 --> 00:04:12.210 without even thinking why, I would hear a voice. 00:04:12.550 --> 00:04:14.430 I said, but I kind of got to get the car through, 00:04:14.569 --> 00:04:17.009 and somebody's going to hit me. So I was like 00:04:17.009 --> 00:04:19.170 steering for a second, even though I could not 00:04:19.170 --> 00:04:22.230 see the road. And then I realized I can't see. 00:04:22.750 --> 00:04:25.370 And then I heard the voice even louder. Again, 00:04:25.529 --> 00:04:28.810 say, stop steering. And I said in my mind, OK, 00:04:28.870 --> 00:04:32.550 this is it. Took my hands off the wheel completely. 00:04:33.170 --> 00:04:36.089 I put off the gas, and I think it was on the 00:04:36.089 --> 00:04:38.430 right, too. I'm not sure. I was so panicked. 00:04:38.699 --> 00:04:43.759 Then the car slowed itself down and backed itself 00:04:43.759 --> 00:04:48.439 across the highway into a shallow ditch. I came 00:04:48.439 --> 00:04:52.139 out without a scratch, so did the car. A family 00:04:52.139 --> 00:04:55.839 in a van driving by saw me in the ditch. They 00:04:55.839 --> 00:04:59.379 picked me up and took me home. But the weird 00:04:59.379 --> 00:05:01.740 part about this, if this isn't weird enough, 00:05:02.420 --> 00:05:05.720 the night before that I always had a couple hours 00:05:05.720 --> 00:05:09.110 not before I went in to work. And when I went 00:05:09.110 --> 00:05:12.069 to go upstairs to bed, I looked out the front 00:05:12.069 --> 00:05:14.569 door and I could see that it was starting to 00:05:14.569 --> 00:05:17.170 snow out. And I thought, oh no, another slippery 00:05:17.170 --> 00:05:20.889 winter drive. And I thought I might be okay because 00:05:20.889 --> 00:05:23.629 it's just starting to snow. So I went up to bed, 00:05:23.670 --> 00:05:26.269 but I was tossing and turning like, what's it 00:05:26.269 --> 00:05:27.769 going to be like in the morning? I know it's 00:05:27.769 --> 00:05:29.610 okay now. What's it going to be like in the morning? 00:05:29.709 --> 00:05:32.009 What's it going to be like? And all of a sudden 00:05:32.009 --> 00:05:36.470 I saw myself in a vision in my car spinning. 00:05:36.829 --> 00:05:40.089 And I'm like, what is going on? And they always 00:05:40.089 --> 00:05:43.209 say, you're having a car accident. I've never 00:05:43.209 --> 00:05:48.050 had a vision before. So I pick up any kind. It 00:05:48.050 --> 00:05:51.949 scared me because I could feel the fear of that 00:05:51.949 --> 00:05:54.730 actually happening. And I kind of pulled myself 00:05:54.730 --> 00:05:57.670 out of it. And I'm like, what was that? I went 00:05:57.670 --> 00:06:00.009 running downstairs. I wanted to phone in to work 00:06:00.009 --> 00:06:03.730 and say, I can't come in. Well, what could I 00:06:03.730 --> 00:06:06.810 say? I had a vision, and if I drive to work, 00:06:06.910 --> 00:06:09.889 I'm going to have a car accident. That's really 00:06:09.889 --> 00:06:12.290 not a good excuse for calling in on your shift 00:06:12.290 --> 00:06:13.910 at 10 o 'clock at night when you're supposed 00:06:13.910 --> 00:06:18.569 to start at 11. So I went to work hardly believing 00:06:18.569 --> 00:06:22.050 what had happened, and I got there fine. It was 00:06:22.050 --> 00:06:24.370 slippery, but on the way home, that's when my 00:06:24.370 --> 00:06:27.050 car hit black heights. All right. I want to play 00:06:27.050 --> 00:06:30.139 devil's advocate for a second because This is 00:06:30.139 --> 00:06:32.180 the kind of thing that I usually don't call a 00:06:32.180 --> 00:06:34.240 near -death experience. I call it just sort of 00:06:34.240 --> 00:06:37.939 a brush with death, right? But there's some differences 00:06:37.939 --> 00:06:41.779 here, and that is the bright light. Can you explain 00:06:41.779 --> 00:06:44.899 to me the bright light? Was this headlights from 00:06:44.899 --> 00:06:47.819 a semi -truck, or was this a light from something 00:06:47.819 --> 00:06:51.240 else? It was a day light. Headlights still flashing 00:06:51.240 --> 00:06:53.160 in your eyes. I know that experience since I 00:06:53.160 --> 00:06:55.480 drove a lot at night. I know what that feels 00:06:55.480 --> 00:07:00.480 like. This was completely... surrounded by white 00:07:00.480 --> 00:07:04.660 light, and I could not see my rear view mirror, 00:07:05.120 --> 00:07:07.360 and I could not look out and see the road. It 00:07:07.360 --> 00:07:10.720 was not headlights, Eric, I assure you. Okay, 00:07:11.120 --> 00:07:14.000 you've had a few years to think about this. Can 00:07:14.000 --> 00:07:16.360 you explain the white light? Do you have any 00:07:16.360 --> 00:07:20.040 thoughts as to what it was or represented? Well, 00:07:20.220 --> 00:07:23.399 I would say I very much believe in the power 00:07:23.399 --> 00:07:27.699 of prayer. My whole life I've had great faith 00:07:27.699 --> 00:07:31.139 in God and I believe I called out and I feel 00:07:31.139 --> 00:07:33.819 like it could have been an angel, a divine presence. 00:07:34.240 --> 00:07:38.699 I can't fully explain it myself, but I know, 00:07:39.259 --> 00:07:41.579 say you say it could have been headlights, right? 00:07:42.139 --> 00:07:44.839 Well then explain to me that voice that said 00:07:44.839 --> 00:07:49.439 stop steering twice. Well that's my next question 00:07:49.439 --> 00:07:53.779 because I'm just asking your opinion. Who do 00:07:53.779 --> 00:07:56.800 you think that voice was? Well, I would say the 00:07:56.800 --> 00:08:01.319 voice was like either a spirit guide or a guardian 00:08:01.319 --> 00:08:04.300 angel. Well, those would be my guesses too. I 00:08:04.300 --> 00:08:07.480 just was hoping that maybe you had come up with 00:08:07.480 --> 00:08:11.680 something. One or the other. Yeah. Those are 00:08:11.680 --> 00:08:14.899 pretty closely related anyway, aren't they? They 00:08:14.899 --> 00:08:19.240 are. Yeah, I've seen both. And then how your 00:08:19.240 --> 00:08:22.990 car did what it did to keep you safe. Would you 00:08:22.990 --> 00:08:25.589 attribute that to this guardian angel as well? 00:08:26.069 --> 00:08:29.970 I would because it was the way, see, not only 00:08:29.970 --> 00:08:34.590 did it, it took itself under the spin, the ditch 00:08:34.590 --> 00:08:38.309 could have went close to the ditch where I decided 00:08:38.309 --> 00:08:43.750 I was on. it was closer, like it marked itself 00:08:43.750 --> 00:08:47.929 across the whole highway, which was farther than 00:08:47.929 --> 00:08:51.129 the other side was closer. I'm going to give 00:08:51.129 --> 00:08:55.049 our audience what I call a woo -woo alert, because 00:08:55.049 --> 00:08:57.889 there are some times that we were very serious 00:08:57.889 --> 00:09:01.690 about Everything and very calm and still and 00:09:01.690 --> 00:09:04.509 there's other times where people would say what 00:09:04.509 --> 00:09:07.049 you're talking about kind of woo -woo Whatever 00:09:07.049 --> 00:09:09.610 woo -woo means we're jumping into that now. So 00:09:09.610 --> 00:09:12.649 here's the woo -woo alert everybody now when 00:09:12.649 --> 00:09:14.950 people have had a near -death experience They 00:09:14.950 --> 00:09:18.210 often come back and have some kind of a spiritual 00:09:18.210 --> 00:09:23.029 gift whether that is being spiritually connected 00:09:23.029 --> 00:09:27.419 with angels or people who have died or or talents 00:09:27.419 --> 00:09:31.440 like playing the piano or had someone on the 00:09:31.440 --> 00:09:36.019 show that after her NDE, she could understand 00:09:36.019 --> 00:09:39.679 animals' thoughts, things like that. So tell 00:09:39.679 --> 00:09:42.799 me what happened to you shortly after this experience. 00:09:43.379 --> 00:09:47.820 Well, within three days after that happened, 00:09:48.559 --> 00:09:51.460 at night I started seeing people standing beside 00:09:51.460 --> 00:09:54.659 my bed. At first, I thought it was my imagination. 00:09:55.019 --> 00:09:57.259 And the reason why I did it was because they 00:09:57.259 --> 00:09:59.840 all appeared to be from different centuries, 00:10:00.600 --> 00:10:03.659 like period clothing of centuries going back 00:10:03.659 --> 00:10:07.159 to, I'd say, the 12th century, approximately. 00:10:07.620 --> 00:10:10.299 I thought, well, why is your imagination doing 00:10:10.299 --> 00:10:13.879 that? I didn't think, at first, it was dead people. 00:10:14.200 --> 00:10:16.720 And I would lay in bed and go, what did you watch 00:10:16.720 --> 00:10:21.460 on TV? And I would go, friends, Fraser? comedies, 00:10:21.600 --> 00:10:24.419 because that's what I like to watch. Until one 00:10:24.419 --> 00:10:27.600 night, I was by myself in the house. They weren't 00:10:27.600 --> 00:10:29.559 talking to me. They were just standing there 00:10:29.559 --> 00:10:32.320 looking at me. And then one night, I was by myself. 00:10:32.460 --> 00:10:35.259 My boyfriend was on midnights in the factory 00:10:35.259 --> 00:10:37.720 where he worked. My daughters were on a sleepover. 00:10:37.779 --> 00:10:40.700 They were 10 years old at the time. And I was 00:10:40.700 --> 00:10:42.879 laying up in bed thinking about what I had to 00:10:42.879 --> 00:10:45.320 do the next day, that the shelter was going to 00:10:45.320 --> 00:10:47.379 call me. I got to do laundry. I got to do groceries. 00:10:47.539 --> 00:10:50.179 You know, just general stuff. And all of a sudden 00:10:50.179 --> 00:10:52.100 I heard what sounded, and I was laying north 00:10:52.100 --> 00:10:53.799 of my eyes closed, all of a sudden I heard what 00:10:53.799 --> 00:10:56.600 sounded like a real old man's voice go, I beg 00:10:56.600 --> 00:11:00.080 your pardon. And I thought, oh my God, there's 00:11:00.080 --> 00:11:02.519 an old man in my bed. How did he get in here? 00:11:02.960 --> 00:11:05.059 And I was scared to open my eyes for a couple 00:11:05.059 --> 00:11:07.340 of minutes, but then I thought I got a deal with 00:11:07.340 --> 00:11:10.179 this man in my bed. I opened my eyes and there 00:11:10.179 --> 00:11:13.220 was nobody there. And that's when I realized 00:11:13.220 --> 00:11:16.299 that was a dead person. So were the other people 00:11:16.299 --> 00:11:19.019 that for several weeks were standing beside my 00:11:19.019 --> 00:11:23.179 bed every night. So to make a long story short, 00:11:23.299 --> 00:11:28.740 after that, I became a medium with the ability, 00:11:29.240 --> 00:11:32.159 because once I heard that one person, I started 00:11:32.159 --> 00:11:35.399 to be able to connect. Like, I'm leaving a lot 00:11:35.399 --> 00:11:37.840 out here, but people started calling me for readings, 00:11:37.840 --> 00:11:42.529 and I realized I then had the ability. to communicate 00:11:42.529 --> 00:11:46.549 with people that have the height. Okay. Certainly 00:11:46.549 --> 00:11:49.809 not expected. Was that really scary at first, 00:11:49.850 --> 00:11:53.889 to see these people? Well, just that particular 00:11:53.889 --> 00:11:57.929 night when I was by myself, I nearly ran downstairs, 00:11:58.210 --> 00:12:00.230 lit up a cigarette because I smoked at the time. 00:12:00.370 --> 00:12:02.750 I don't anymore. Plugged in my tea kettle and 00:12:02.750 --> 00:12:05.090 waited for all the dead people to call the police 00:12:05.090 --> 00:12:07.570 because I thought that was what was going to 00:12:07.570 --> 00:12:11.259 happen. And at that point, I heard a thought 00:12:11.259 --> 00:12:13.600 to me, which I now know is a spirit guy say, 00:12:13.759 --> 00:12:16.379 look, Linda, you can choose to be afraid of this 00:12:16.379 --> 00:12:19.279 or you can develop a sense of humor. So that 00:12:19.279 --> 00:12:21.340 was like a ray of hope. I said, I can do the 00:12:21.340 --> 00:12:24.500 hat. So I stood in my kitchen all by myself and 00:12:24.500 --> 00:12:26.139 said, look, I don't know what all you dead people 00:12:26.139 --> 00:12:28.620 do for sleep, but I'm going to get something. 00:12:28.759 --> 00:12:30.899 I'm going to bed, leave me alone. So I marched 00:12:30.899 --> 00:12:33.179 up, see I was going to bed. They left me alone 00:12:33.179 --> 00:12:35.000 for about three or four days and then they all 00:12:35.000 --> 00:12:36.899 started coming back. and I've been seeing them 00:12:36.899 --> 00:12:39.639 and hearing them ever since. You know what this 00:12:39.639 --> 00:12:41.940 reminds me of? Have you seen the TV show called 00:12:41.940 --> 00:12:46.080 Ghosts? I love that. Jennifer loved Hewitt. I 00:12:46.080 --> 00:12:49.259 used to watch it all the time. And the show Medium. 00:12:49.500 --> 00:12:51.940 No, there's a new show out called Ghosts. It's 00:12:51.940 --> 00:12:54.620 more of a comedy. Oh, the new one? I know the 00:12:54.620 --> 00:12:58.200 new one, yeah. Yeah, it's about a couple that 00:12:58.200 --> 00:13:01.279 have this old house and it came with Ghosts. 00:13:02.279 --> 00:13:05.080 The woman had an accident, if I remember right, 00:13:05.220 --> 00:13:08.460 bonked her head or something and and sees these 00:13:08.460 --> 00:13:10.320 ghosts all the time now that nobody else can 00:13:10.320 --> 00:13:13.340 see and she can hear them. And that's what I'm 00:13:13.340 --> 00:13:15.620 picturing. And I don't mean that in any kind 00:13:15.620 --> 00:13:19.080 of a making fun of way. But that's what I'm picturing. 00:13:19.200 --> 00:13:23.340 Is it anything like that for you? Oh, it is, 00:13:23.340 --> 00:13:26.100 Eric, because I never know who I'm going to see. 00:13:26.259 --> 00:13:28.419 Like I can be sound asleep in my bed. Like, I 00:13:28.419 --> 00:13:34.350 mean, I sleep and I'll hear Linda. Linda, Linda. 00:13:34.750 --> 00:13:37.870 I'm so used to it. Now I go, what, what? And 00:13:37.870 --> 00:13:39.710 I'll roll around and be somebody standing beside 00:13:39.710 --> 00:13:42.269 my bed or sitting on it. And they'll say what 00:13:42.269 --> 00:13:44.750 they want to say. And I'll say, OK, I'll tell 00:13:44.750 --> 00:13:47.470 them. And then they go. Are they always friendly 00:13:47.470 --> 00:13:53.929 ghosts or spirits? Mostly. Some aren't. The ones 00:13:53.929 --> 00:13:58.370 that seem to be, I would say, more angry is murder 00:13:58.370 --> 00:14:01.440 victims. because they have lost their lives. 00:14:01.659 --> 00:14:05.980 Somebody just took their life. And after, this 00:14:05.980 --> 00:14:08.340 is a whole other story too, so we could talk 00:14:08.340 --> 00:14:11.480 for hours, but I became a licensed private investigator 00:14:11.480 --> 00:14:15.019 because I did start to see spirits of murder 00:14:15.019 --> 00:14:18.899 victims wanting my help. So they had you help 00:14:18.899 --> 00:14:23.279 solve the crime? Well, in some cases, it's hard 00:14:23.279 --> 00:14:26.690 for the police to recognize it, but... When I 00:14:26.690 --> 00:14:30.250 do call in, I have been right a great deal of 00:14:30.250 --> 00:14:33.070 times. It's something over the years I kind of 00:14:33.070 --> 00:14:36.950 pull back a little from because it's the images 00:14:36.950 --> 00:14:40.950 are very almost traumatic to see because I'll 00:14:40.950 --> 00:14:44.190 see what's happening with that person, how their 00:14:44.190 --> 00:14:46.850 death occurred, why, you know, it's especially 00:14:46.850 --> 00:14:50.789 difficult in the case of children. Okay, I'm 00:14:50.789 --> 00:14:52.450 not sure what to do with that, but we're going 00:14:52.450 --> 00:14:55.190 to move on. I want to fast forward to your more 00:14:55.190 --> 00:14:57.750 recent, more traditional near -death experience. 00:14:58.269 --> 00:15:00.889 Would you tell us what led up to that? I was 00:15:00.889 --> 00:15:05.129 in a relationship that became very difficult 00:15:05.129 --> 00:15:09.190 and abusive, and the doctor put me on a set of 00:15:09.190 --> 00:15:12.110 colchonazepam. I was supposed to take one or 00:15:12.110 --> 00:15:15.389 two a day. I was taking like six or seven. The 00:15:15.389 --> 00:15:18.720 drugstore was closed at Christmas time. I went 00:15:18.720 --> 00:15:21.440 to get my prescription, and it was closed for 00:15:21.440 --> 00:15:24.580 two weeks. So I ended up withdrawing off that 00:15:24.580 --> 00:15:26.960 drug, which I didn't know how strong it actually 00:15:26.960 --> 00:15:30.100 was. And after three days, I started having, 00:15:30.100 --> 00:15:33.259 like, seizures. And I was feeling really ill, 00:15:33.360 --> 00:15:35.539 and I realized it was too bad. I was lying on 00:15:35.539 --> 00:15:38.840 my right side. I went to roll over on my left 00:15:38.840 --> 00:15:42.139 side, and I didn't make it that far. I left my 00:15:42.139 --> 00:15:45.460 body and started floating up. And the first thing 00:15:45.460 --> 00:15:50.440 I saw... was my guides sitting in a church praying 00:15:50.440 --> 00:15:54.279 for me. And then I floated higher, and then I 00:15:54.279 --> 00:15:57.919 saw Mother Teresa. And I'm not Catholic, but 00:15:57.919 --> 00:16:00.559 that's who I saw. And she said, I'm praying for 00:16:00.559 --> 00:16:04.379 you. Then I floated higher. Then I saw Edgar 00:16:04.379 --> 00:16:07.720 Cayce, who was a prominent psychic in like the 00:16:07.720 --> 00:16:12.279 1940s, who did over 15 ,000 medical readings 00:16:12.279 --> 00:16:15.240 for people while in a deep state of sleep. and 00:16:15.240 --> 00:16:18.000 it could never be proven wrong by doctors, although 00:16:18.000 --> 00:16:20.500 they tried. I said to him, what are you doing? 00:16:20.740 --> 00:16:23.080 He said, I'm talking to you. And he just sat 00:16:23.080 --> 00:16:26.639 and smiled at me. And I floated higher. Then 00:16:26.639 --> 00:16:29.659 I saw St. Peter. He was standing. It looked like 00:16:29.659 --> 00:16:32.419 a speaker's podium. And he said, we're going 00:16:32.419 --> 00:16:35.539 to put back everything the way it was. I floated 00:16:35.539 --> 00:16:39.340 a little bit higher past him. And I saw what 00:16:39.340 --> 00:16:42.899 looked like a throne. And somehow I felt it to 00:16:42.899 --> 00:16:46.419 be the throne of God. And at that moment, I heard 00:16:46.419 --> 00:16:49.840 a voice say to me, you have been chosen to sit 00:16:49.840 --> 00:16:53.559 at the right hand of God. And for some reason 00:16:53.559 --> 00:16:56.179 unknown to me, I said, I can't sit there. That's 00:16:56.179 --> 00:16:59.340 Jesus' place. And as soon as I said that, I felt 00:16:59.340 --> 00:17:02.399 myself falling and falling and falling. I felt 00:17:02.399 --> 00:17:05.119 like from a very high distance. And I started 00:17:05.119 --> 00:17:07.980 to get scared, but I was going to hit and boom, 00:17:08.619 --> 00:17:12.339 and back in my bed. But then after that, I don't 00:17:12.339 --> 00:17:14.240 think I fully realized what had happened. But 00:17:14.240 --> 00:17:16.539 after that, I started flying out of my body. 00:17:16.940 --> 00:17:19.079 And for the next two, three hours, I kept flying 00:17:19.079 --> 00:17:21.740 out of my body, eating my body, and going to 00:17:21.740 --> 00:17:24.619 different places all over the world. I forgot 00:17:24.619 --> 00:17:26.880 most of them now, but the only one I really remember 00:17:26.880 --> 00:17:30.900 was Egypt. And when I ended up in Egypt, I ended 00:17:30.900 --> 00:17:34.200 up in a pyramid. There was like an outer wall 00:17:34.200 --> 00:17:37.200 and an inner wall. I could see myself traveling 00:17:37.200 --> 00:17:40.400 down between the two walls. and started to feel 00:17:40.400 --> 00:17:44.380 claustrophobic. So I say, I want out of here. 00:17:44.960 --> 00:17:47.519 Soon as I said that, I was in the main part of 00:17:47.519 --> 00:17:51.359 the pyramid. It was big and open. And at that 00:17:51.359 --> 00:17:55.400 point, I saw Cleopatra. And I saw her as clear 00:17:55.400 --> 00:17:59.200 as I'm seeing you now, perhaps clearer. And she 00:17:59.200 --> 00:18:02.359 spoke to me what I don't remember what message 00:18:02.359 --> 00:18:06.470 she gave me, something about eternal life. And 00:18:06.470 --> 00:18:10.369 then I was back after that, and just the result, 00:18:10.650 --> 00:18:12.670 like you said, the after -effects of that was 00:18:12.670 --> 00:18:16.210 just my abilities as a medium thought even a 00:18:16.210 --> 00:18:20.450 lot stronger. And I began to physically feel 00:18:20.450 --> 00:18:23.890 it, if a spirit would touch me, grab me or poke 00:18:23.890 --> 00:18:28.309 me, as if that person was alive. So you had not 00:18:28.309 --> 00:18:32.069 felt the spirits previously, but you do now sometimes. 00:18:32.740 --> 00:18:37.539 Not to touch me. Before previously, I could feel 00:18:37.539 --> 00:18:43.339 strongly how a person died. I can honestly say 00:18:43.339 --> 00:18:46.839 I know what it's like to be shot, stabbed in 00:18:46.839 --> 00:18:50.380 the back, and drowned. And the sensations, you 00:18:50.380 --> 00:18:52.180 know, people, you hear mediums talk, and they'll 00:18:52.180 --> 00:18:55.539 say, I feel pressure in my chest or whatever. 00:18:55.779 --> 00:18:59.619 It's like, oh, no, no, no. I can tell you what 00:18:59.619 --> 00:19:03.309 it really feels like. And I asked my wife to 00:19:03.309 --> 00:19:06.250 take that away because I felt it too strong. 00:19:06.369 --> 00:19:09.490 So for a number of years, that kind of stopped, 00:19:09.890 --> 00:19:13.230 where I don't feel that anymore the way I did. 00:19:13.670 --> 00:19:16.190 You know, you can tell me how you died, but don't 00:19:16.190 --> 00:19:19.990 make me feel that. That's great that you have 00:19:19.990 --> 00:19:22.769 some control over it. And frankly, I'm glad I 00:19:22.769 --> 00:19:25.309 don't have your gift. That doesn't sound fun 00:19:25.309 --> 00:19:29.170 to me. You know what, dear? A lot of people say 00:19:29.170 --> 00:19:33.180 that to me. Yeah. Again, going back to that time 00:19:33.180 --> 00:19:35.539 in the kitchen, my guys had even developed a 00:19:35.539 --> 00:19:39.400 sense of humour. That's what I do. I laugh and 00:19:39.400 --> 00:19:41.799 I joke and I joke about what I do. I'm being 00:19:41.799 --> 00:19:45.539 pretty serious now, I know. But you speak to 00:19:45.539 --> 00:19:48.559 me and when I do a reading for people and to 00:19:48.559 --> 00:19:50.980 connect with their loved ones, I like to make 00:19:50.980 --> 00:19:53.680 them laugh so that they know they don't have 00:19:53.680 --> 00:19:56.450 to be afraid of death. Okay, I want to go back 00:19:56.450 --> 00:19:59.849 and ask some questions. This drug interaction, 00:20:00.170 --> 00:20:03.230 I wasn't clear. Did you have some kind of an 00:20:03.230 --> 00:20:05.910 interaction or a withdrawal or an accidental 00:20:05.910 --> 00:20:09.009 overdose? Exactly, what was it? It was more of 00:20:09.009 --> 00:20:12.430 an overdose, taking too much and then cutting 00:20:12.430 --> 00:20:15.089 off of it. I mean, they told me later at the 00:20:15.089 --> 00:20:19.630 hospital that I could have died. Yeah, I did. 00:20:20.490 --> 00:20:23.029 Yeah, because even though it's a tiny pill, it's 00:20:23.029 --> 00:20:26.049 very, very, very strong. There's a lot of damage 00:20:26.049 --> 00:20:29.049 if you misuse it. I have to play devil's advocate 00:20:29.049 --> 00:20:31.569 again just for a second. I'm not trying to give 00:20:31.569 --> 00:20:34.230 you a hard time, I promise, Linda. But there's 00:20:34.230 --> 00:20:36.789 got to be some people that say, oh it was a drug 00:20:36.789 --> 00:20:40.250 overdose and so you saw all these things. What 00:20:40.250 --> 00:20:44.349 do you say to that? The thing is I had been off 00:20:44.349 --> 00:20:50.089 the drug for several days. It had almost been 00:20:50.089 --> 00:20:55.730 out of my system by that point. I was not hosting 00:20:55.730 --> 00:20:58.710 or anything like that, and I had been off of 00:20:58.710 --> 00:21:03.009 it for several days before that happened. I also 00:21:03.009 --> 00:21:05.490 find really interesting the fact that you saw 00:21:05.490 --> 00:21:09.190 these Catholic figures, Mother Teresa, Saint 00:21:09.190 --> 00:21:14.230 Peter, a throne, which I guess would be kind 00:21:14.230 --> 00:21:17.690 of a Christian thing. Then you saw Cleopatra. 00:21:18.509 --> 00:21:22.470 I don't get it. Well, I can tell you, dear, I 00:21:22.470 --> 00:21:28.150 don't get it either. OK. Even initially, when 00:21:28.150 --> 00:21:32.549 I saw those people staying beside my bed, why? 00:21:32.730 --> 00:21:35.910 I can ask myself this question as much as you. 00:21:36.269 --> 00:21:39.529 Why was I seeing people from different time periods 00:21:39.529 --> 00:21:43.049 in the beginning instead of people that died, 00:21:43.049 --> 00:21:45.849 say, 10 years ago? Why was I seeing people going 00:21:45.849 --> 00:21:50.000 back to the 8th, 9th, 10th century? I can tell 00:21:50.000 --> 00:21:54.339 you why, but that's a whole other show. Because 00:21:54.339 --> 00:21:58.299 I don't know why, but at the time, I didn't. 00:21:58.519 --> 00:22:01.980 It's a very good question. And you know, at that 00:22:01.980 --> 00:22:05.339 time, why did I see Cleopatra? Well, again, I 00:22:05.339 --> 00:22:07.319 can answer that, but how many times do you want 00:22:07.319 --> 00:22:11.180 me to be on your show? I just want a 30 -second 00:22:11.180 --> 00:22:15.259 answer, that's all. Well, I believe I never used 00:22:15.259 --> 00:22:19.759 you. but I believe wholeheartedly now in reincarnation. 00:22:20.160 --> 00:22:23.599 And I believe that was a past life experience. 00:22:24.380 --> 00:22:26.839 Okay. How did you know who these people were? 00:22:27.339 --> 00:22:29.460 Did they introduce themselves or did you just 00:22:29.460 --> 00:22:32.619 for some reason know them? The people from the 00:22:32.619 --> 00:22:34.799 different time periods I didn't know. The people 00:22:34.799 --> 00:22:39.160 that come now, mostly they'll tell me their names. 00:22:39.859 --> 00:22:42.500 Well, I was asking about during the NDE when 00:22:42.500 --> 00:22:47.559 you saw St. Peter Cleopatra, Mother Teresa. As 00:22:47.559 --> 00:22:53.500 he sat and I recognized him. He said, of course, 00:22:53.579 --> 00:22:57.740 I've seen pictures of him. But one night after 00:22:57.740 --> 00:23:00.420 my first near -death experience with the car, 00:23:01.059 --> 00:23:05.579 I woke up to see him, a man walking through my 00:23:05.579 --> 00:23:08.259 bedroom, walking in front of my bed wearing a 00:23:08.259 --> 00:23:10.980 three -piece suit. I saw him from kind of the 00:23:10.980 --> 00:23:13.440 back and the side. the spirit. And I said, excuse 00:23:13.440 --> 00:23:16.059 me. I said, who are you? And he said, I'm Edgar 00:23:16.059 --> 00:23:19.119 Cayce, dear. And he just proceeded to walk through 00:23:19.119 --> 00:23:22.200 the door and out. But Saint Peter, how did you 00:23:22.200 --> 00:23:25.579 know that that was him? I don't know, Eric. I 00:23:25.579 --> 00:23:29.559 don't have an answer for that. People in Christianity 00:23:29.559 --> 00:23:31.920 tend to believe there is a Saint Peter who will 00:23:31.920 --> 00:23:34.720 stand at the gates of heaven and kind of direct 00:23:34.720 --> 00:23:39.180 track it, right? And I don't have an explanation 00:23:39.180 --> 00:23:43.230 as to why. is certainly something I didn't create 00:23:43.230 --> 00:23:45.910 in my mind. This is there he was standing at 00:23:45.910 --> 00:23:49.890 what looked like some sort of a podium. And he 00:23:49.890 --> 00:23:52.809 said, we are going to put things back the way 00:23:52.809 --> 00:23:56.230 they were. That's OK. I'm just asking all the 00:23:56.230 --> 00:23:58.650 hard questions today. That's all. The other thing 00:23:58.650 --> 00:24:01.829 that I found interesting about that is it seems 00:24:01.829 --> 00:24:07.089 that a lot of people during their NDE see people 00:24:07.450 --> 00:24:11.930 or angels that they are familiar with. Christians 00:24:11.930 --> 00:24:16.930 often see Jesus or somebody else through that 00:24:16.930 --> 00:24:20.410 religion. Buddhists sometimes see Buddha, et 00:24:20.410 --> 00:24:24.329 cetera, et cetera. And you're not Catholic, yet 00:24:24.329 --> 00:24:27.190 you saw Catholic figures. And that's unusual. 00:24:27.390 --> 00:24:31.150 I think it's interesting. It's interesting. So 00:24:31.150 --> 00:24:34.049 I've read about in your death experiences and 00:24:34.049 --> 00:24:37.940 that people do see Jesus in angels. I didn't 00:24:37.940 --> 00:24:43.059 at that time, but guess what? Now I do. Now I 00:24:43.059 --> 00:24:47.160 do. Just within the last year, I started to see 00:24:47.160 --> 00:24:51.099 angels that I've never seen before, images of 00:24:51.099 --> 00:24:55.059 Jesus coming to me that I've never seen before. 00:24:56.000 --> 00:25:00.640 And over time, since the second near death experience, 00:25:01.160 --> 00:25:03.900 it's like my abilities get stronger and stronger. 00:25:04.119 --> 00:25:06.599 I call these almost like after effects. And if 00:25:06.599 --> 00:25:09.599 you look to people like study these after effects. 00:25:10.420 --> 00:25:13.400 Well, one of mine era was that I began to speak 00:25:13.400 --> 00:25:17.539 different languages. The first one, I was actually 00:25:17.539 --> 00:25:20.359 sitting on my toilet. I was feeling pretty down. 00:25:20.640 --> 00:25:22.900 You're allowed to say toilet on this show. It's 00:25:22.900 --> 00:25:26.940 OK. Thank you. So I thought if I said a prayer, 00:25:27.220 --> 00:25:29.420 it would cheer me up. So I started trying to 00:25:29.420 --> 00:25:31.559 say a prayer out loud and instead came out these 00:25:31.559 --> 00:25:34.390 different words that I didn't understand. So 00:25:34.390 --> 00:25:37.730 I said, oh, stop babbling. Just pray. So I tried 00:25:37.730 --> 00:25:42.390 to pray again, and it came these words. So I 00:25:42.390 --> 00:25:45.430 made a recording on cassette tape and took it 00:25:45.430 --> 00:25:47.970 to a counselor I was seeing at the time. And 00:25:47.970 --> 00:25:50.970 she said, I think that sounds like Hebrew. She 00:25:50.970 --> 00:25:52.690 said, I have a friend that's a professor at the 00:25:52.690 --> 00:25:55.430 University of Toronto. I'll tape the tape to 00:25:55.430 --> 00:25:59.069 her and see what she thinks. So when I come back 00:25:59.069 --> 00:26:01.430 to her the next week, she said, well, She says 00:26:01.430 --> 00:26:04.750 it is Hebrew. It's ancient Hebrew. And at the 00:26:04.750 --> 00:26:07.769 time, I didn't follow up on it. But then years 00:26:07.769 --> 00:26:10.829 later, within the last few years, I decided one 00:26:10.829 --> 00:26:15.750 day just to try to speak Hebrew in. And I did, 00:26:16.089 --> 00:26:18.269 because I sent my phone for Google Translate. 00:26:18.430 --> 00:26:21.390 I said, Hebrew. Around that time, I connected 00:26:21.390 --> 00:26:25.569 with a paranormal research scientist, Steven 00:26:25.569 --> 00:26:29.410 Schwartz, in the States. had many conversations 00:26:29.410 --> 00:26:33.089 over the last couple of years. He took it to 00:26:33.089 --> 00:26:36.869 one recording to a rabbi. The rabbi said it's 00:26:36.869 --> 00:26:40.769 an old -fashioned Hebrew, and he wouldn't touch 00:26:40.769 --> 00:26:43.950 it after that, because it's so big. Somebody 00:26:43.950 --> 00:26:46.990 that can do what I can do, channel different 00:26:46.990 --> 00:26:50.069 languages in that culture, thought it was being 00:26:50.069 --> 00:26:53.529 a witch. And the rabbi, and any rabbi Stephen 00:26:53.529 --> 00:26:55.890 tried to approach would not have anything to 00:26:55.890 --> 00:27:00.160 do with that. Then I sent a page of type language 00:27:00.160 --> 00:27:03.660 to another professor in the States, and he said, 00:27:03.680 --> 00:27:07.039 that's modern Hebrew. So in total, I've spoken 00:27:07.039 --> 00:27:10.279 three different forms of Hebrew. On top of that, 00:27:10.779 --> 00:27:14.500 83 other languages. And any languages I've tried 00:27:14.500 --> 00:27:18.019 to speak, I've been able to. But when I speak 00:27:18.019 --> 00:27:21.059 Hebrew, that's my favorite because I can get 00:27:21.059 --> 00:27:23.819 the most information. I know a great deal about 00:27:23.819 --> 00:27:27.299 Israel. present and going back centuries to the 00:27:27.299 --> 00:27:30.839 time of the Torah before. Names of towns, cities, 00:27:31.039 --> 00:27:34.240 kibbutzes that don't even exist anymore, businesses, 00:27:34.619 --> 00:27:38.819 restaurants, food, everything, as well as information 00:27:38.819 --> 00:27:43.019 about physics, advanced math, mathematics, human 00:27:43.019 --> 00:27:46.960 genealogy, ancient Greek playwrights, just a 00:27:46.960 --> 00:27:51.279 lot of stuff. So I stayed connected with Stephen 00:27:51.279 --> 00:27:55.759 Swartz. I continue to speak to him. to this a 00:27:55.759 --> 00:27:58.940 day. He was a creator and a pioneer of extended 00:27:58.940 --> 00:28:02.180 remote viewing. And he's worked with a number 00:28:02.180 --> 00:28:06.779 of people who are mediums over his life. Okay, 00:28:06.819 --> 00:28:09.039 I'd like to know what you've learned from all 00:28:09.039 --> 00:28:12.400 this. Seems like these experiences are always 00:28:12.400 --> 00:28:15.599 to teach the person that has the experience. 00:28:16.180 --> 00:28:19.000 Often there's a message for other people too. 00:28:19.059 --> 00:28:23.220 What do you think is yours? Well, my intention 00:28:23.690 --> 00:28:28.569 And my wish is to teach people there's nothing 00:28:28.569 --> 00:28:31.890 to fear in death. And all death is is crossing 00:28:31.890 --> 00:28:35.289 over, literally, from this life, physical life, 00:28:36.069 --> 00:28:39.069 to the other side, which is non -physical life. 00:28:39.349 --> 00:28:43.670 And by the way, it feels exactly the same as 00:28:43.670 --> 00:28:47.269 this life. And every bit is physical to those 00:28:47.269 --> 00:28:49.450 on the other side. It's not like you're living 00:28:49.450 --> 00:28:51.769 in a cloud flowing around unless you want to. 00:28:52.250 --> 00:28:56.990 It's a very physical feeling reality. And I want 00:28:56.990 --> 00:28:59.569 to teach people, you don't have to be afraid 00:28:59.569 --> 00:29:04.609 of death. I want to teach people to realize, 00:29:05.549 --> 00:29:07.170 I'm not going to sound religious here, but the 00:29:07.170 --> 00:29:10.490 kingdom of God is within you. And to have faith, 00:29:10.589 --> 00:29:12.589 you have faith in God. It's the same as having 00:29:12.589 --> 00:29:16.049 you have faith in yourself. And so I want to 00:29:16.049 --> 00:29:19.069 teach people, you need to trust in yourself. 00:29:19.269 --> 00:29:21.609 You need to trust. What would you say to somebody 00:29:21.609 --> 00:29:24.890 that's having a rough day today? Maybe lost a 00:29:24.890 --> 00:29:27.910 loved one, maybe is kind of giving up on hope. 00:29:28.250 --> 00:29:31.170 I would start by saying, look up, don't look 00:29:31.170 --> 00:29:35.009 down. Look up, look up to the sky instead of 00:29:35.009 --> 00:29:38.650 looking down at the ground. Look up and say, 00:29:38.690 --> 00:29:41.210 I will get through this because I always have. 00:29:41.690 --> 00:29:43.869 That's beautiful. Thank you very much for being 00:29:43.869 --> 00:29:46.690 with me. If anybody wants to reach out to you. 00:29:46.839 --> 00:29:49.460 You said that I could put your email address 00:29:49.460 --> 00:29:51.339 in the show notes. You still cool with that? 00:29:51.460 --> 00:29:55.119 If so, I'll put them in there. Yes, I am. Okay, 00:29:55.500 --> 00:29:57.460 I'll do that. This has been really interesting, 00:29:57.619 --> 00:30:00.279 Linda. I appreciate you joining me today. Thanks, 00:30:00.279 --> 00:30:04.539 Eric. 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