WEBVTT 00:00:03.749 --> 00:00:06.730 From the time that they pronounced me dead was 00:00:06.730 --> 00:00:10.210 a good 45 minutes. They cut my clothes and then 00:00:10.210 --> 00:00:13.130 they paddled. My heart, my heart had stopped 00:00:13.130 --> 00:00:16.129 and I could see people screaming and crying but 00:00:16.129 --> 00:00:18.589 I didn't realise that was actually my physical 00:00:18.589 --> 00:00:22.010 body because I was somewhere else. The only thing 00:00:22.010 --> 00:00:25.390 that I could feel if you could imagine absolute 00:00:25.390 --> 00:00:28.510 love and peace, there wasn't anything else to 00:00:28.510 --> 00:00:31.440 be felt. I was greeted by people I had known 00:00:31.440 --> 00:00:34.799 in the past. I'm back home again. Incredibly 00:00:34.799 --> 00:00:40.240 safe and felt at home. Welcome, welcome to Round 00:00:40.240 --> 00:00:43.240 Trip Death, everybody. And I have a very special 00:00:43.240 --> 00:00:45.820 guest that you're absolutely going to love today. 00:00:46.380 --> 00:00:49.140 Vanya Valtriani. Good morning, Vanya. How are 00:00:49.140 --> 00:00:52.640 you? Good morning, Eric. Very good. Thank you 00:00:52.640 --> 00:00:56.820 for the invitation. Good. I can't wait for everybody 00:00:56.820 --> 00:01:00.380 to hear about your near -death experience and 00:01:00.380 --> 00:01:03.740 lots of other things that you have learned. First, 00:01:04.459 --> 00:01:07.500 60 seconds or so, tell us a little bit about 00:01:07.500 --> 00:01:10.340 you. Who are you? Where do you come from? My 00:01:10.340 --> 00:01:14.560 name is Vania Votriani. I'm from Brazil, the 00:01:14.560 --> 00:01:19.260 southeast of Brazil, São Paulo. I am a mom. Well, 00:01:19.260 --> 00:01:23.019 I am a wife, mom, and grandma in this order. 00:01:24.200 --> 00:01:28.159 How many grandkids? Three. Two boys and one girl. 00:01:28.819 --> 00:01:32.780 And the kids are the same. No, the opposite. 00:01:32.920 --> 00:01:37.840 The two girls and one boy. I study business administration 00:01:37.840 --> 00:01:41.019 in my country. I work a lot in many companies 00:01:41.019 --> 00:01:44.799 in Brazil. But then we decided to come to Provo, 00:01:44.819 --> 00:01:49.420 Utah, where we are living now for 12 years now. 00:01:49.780 --> 00:01:54.120 That must have been a culture shock. Yes. But 00:01:54.120 --> 00:01:57.700 we learn a lot about this and do you know I learned 00:01:57.700 --> 00:02:01.659 a lot about Brazilian people more after I leave 00:02:01.659 --> 00:02:06.099 my country Because here I have another people 00:02:06.099 --> 00:02:11.539 to compare others ethnic so we can see the difference 00:02:11.539 --> 00:02:16.240 That's interesting. All right. Well, let's without 00:02:16.240 --> 00:02:19.419 further ado as they say, let's go ahead. I'm 00:02:19.419 --> 00:02:23.889 just checking my notes here You had a stroke 00:02:23.889 --> 00:02:27.169 a little over 10 years ago. You were awfully 00:02:27.169 --> 00:02:30.129 young. Was there some medical situation that 00:02:30.129 --> 00:02:33.750 brought on your stroke? Never had any problem 00:02:33.750 --> 00:02:39.030 before. Never strong headache, nothing, nothing. 00:02:39.569 --> 00:02:44.810 Well, my dad, my mom told me that my dad had 00:02:44.810 --> 00:02:48.310 the same stroke that I have in the same age I 00:02:48.310 --> 00:02:53.060 was, 45 years old. Maybe this is genetic. I don't 00:02:53.060 --> 00:02:55.400 know. Hopefully you didn't pass it on to your 00:02:55.400 --> 00:02:59.840 children. Yes, I hope and I'm taking care and 00:02:59.840 --> 00:03:03.539 help them to take care of their self to not have 00:03:03.539 --> 00:03:07.060 the same. I learned it to help them. Well, let's 00:03:07.060 --> 00:03:10.819 go ahead and jump into it. So tell me what happened 00:03:10.819 --> 00:03:15.219 with your health and while you were in the hospital. 00:03:15.539 --> 00:03:20.120 Take it away. OK, well, just summarize this. 00:03:20.250 --> 00:03:26.030 We were living here for one year when I was working 00:03:26.030 --> 00:03:29.590 in many different things, because I was a woman 00:03:29.590 --> 00:03:32.270 that always worked a lot in my country. So when 00:03:32.270 --> 00:03:35.509 I arrived here, I said, what I can do here? I 00:03:35.509 --> 00:03:42.819 cannot use many of my knowledge here. my degree. 00:03:43.259 --> 00:03:47.340 So I start working in something very different. 00:03:47.879 --> 00:03:51.340 My life was totally different here in Provo than 00:03:51.340 --> 00:03:55.120 in Sao Paulo because I started working doing 00:03:55.120 --> 00:03:59.860 Brazilian entertainment. We were doing Brazilian 00:03:59.860 --> 00:04:02.900 food, Brazilian parties, traditional Brazilian 00:04:02.900 --> 00:04:06.000 parties with the community that live here with 00:04:06.000 --> 00:04:08.360 us. And there's a lot of Brazilian people here 00:04:08.360 --> 00:04:12.599 in Provo, more than I thought. So I think I was 00:04:12.599 --> 00:04:17.560 working hard, stressful, a little, not stressful 00:04:17.560 --> 00:04:22.420 a lot. I think that contribute for me because 00:04:22.420 --> 00:04:26.959 we were organizing a traditional Brazilian party 00:04:26.959 --> 00:04:32.399 in a big park here in Provo. It was July 14th, 00:04:32.459 --> 00:04:37.060 21st. While we were dancing the traditional dance, 00:04:37.339 --> 00:04:42.600 that we have in this activity, I felt a very, 00:04:42.600 --> 00:04:47.800 very horrible pain in my brain. I can only describe 00:04:47.800 --> 00:04:52.819 this like if someone hit me with a hot knife 00:04:52.819 --> 00:04:58.040 in my brain and turned this. It was so bad that 00:04:58.040 --> 00:05:02.279 I vomited and then I fell down. After that, I 00:05:02.279 --> 00:05:07.720 just woke up after four days. And while This 00:05:07.720 --> 00:05:11.399 happened, what I can tell you is what my husband 00:05:11.399 --> 00:05:15.519 told me. He told me that they called to the ambulance 00:05:15.519 --> 00:05:19.779 and it arrived in four minutes, very, very fast. 00:05:20.180 --> 00:05:24.339 And I was took to the hospital and they detected 00:05:24.339 --> 00:05:28.740 that I had a stroke and I was taken to the surgery 00:05:28.740 --> 00:05:32.939 and my husband and some friend that was with 00:05:32.939 --> 00:05:35.660 him in the party was in the hospital with them. 00:05:35.550 --> 00:05:39.990 with him and my kids after the doctor arrived 00:05:39.990 --> 00:05:44.829 after the surgery and he told to my husband that 00:05:44.829 --> 00:05:49.329 two veins blast in my brain, a lot of blood in 00:05:49.329 --> 00:05:53.910 my brain, and that they couldn't do anything. 00:05:54.850 --> 00:05:59.410 There's nothing they can do and I will die. And 00:05:59.410 --> 00:06:04.019 the doctor told to my husband. She has zero percent 00:06:04.019 --> 00:06:07.779 of chance to survive. He told it this way because 00:06:07.779 --> 00:06:10.860 my husband was here with me for one year and 00:06:10.860 --> 00:06:14.379 our English was not so good in that time. And 00:06:14.379 --> 00:06:18.000 we have a very good friend, a leader, a bishop 00:06:18.000 --> 00:06:21.439 that was with him trying to translate everything. 00:06:21.939 --> 00:06:26.319 My husband just asked to him if he could. could 00:06:26.319 --> 00:06:29.180 give me a bless is a normal thing that we as 00:06:29.180 --> 00:06:35.079 a member do and he gave me the bless and I stay 00:06:35.079 --> 00:06:38.660 in coma for three days and in the fourth day 00:06:38.660 --> 00:06:41.839 I wake up. I just was curious did you have a 00:06:41.839 --> 00:06:44.439 long recovery after that or were you better quite 00:06:44.439 --> 00:06:48.500 quickly? No it was a long recovery i was for 00:06:48.500 --> 00:06:52.160 almost forty days in the recovery center in the 00:06:52.160 --> 00:06:56.060 hospital wow it took a long time to me to learn 00:06:56.060 --> 00:06:59.740 again doing simple things like brush my teeth 00:06:59.740 --> 00:07:05.279 eat by myself without making a mess like a kid 00:07:05.279 --> 00:07:09.100 be in. How can I say this in English? I think 00:07:09.100 --> 00:07:13.519 it's equilibrium, balance, to walk in. Well, 00:07:13.800 --> 00:07:17.680 everything was very difficult, especially speak. 00:07:18.279 --> 00:07:21.139 You look like you've made a full recovery. So 00:07:21.139 --> 00:07:24.379 that is fantastic. I'm so happy for you. I don't 00:07:24.379 --> 00:07:27.220 have anything, anything. I have anything. The 00:07:27.220 --> 00:07:32.000 doctor, well, the hospital, every day someone 00:07:32.000 --> 00:07:36.379 knock in my door in the hospital. and tell to 00:07:36.379 --> 00:07:38.920 me and my husband, we came to see the miracle 00:07:38.920 --> 00:07:42.180 because the whole hospital is talking about her. 00:07:42.740 --> 00:07:45.540 And people that was working on the hospital came 00:07:45.540 --> 00:07:49.860 to my room and wanna see me because the doctor 00:07:49.860 --> 00:07:53.519 could not explain what happened. But I know what 00:07:53.519 --> 00:07:58.120 happened because I had a very special experience 00:07:58.120 --> 00:08:01.639 while I was in coma. And I wanna tell you about 00:08:01.639 --> 00:08:05.490 this. I wanna tell to everybody. Please do. We 00:08:05.490 --> 00:08:08.250 want to hear all about it. I want all the detail. 00:08:09.050 --> 00:08:12.949 So go ahead and tell us what you remembered after 00:08:12.949 --> 00:08:16.529 you woke up. Well, when I woke up, the first 00:08:16.529 --> 00:08:19.709 person that I saw was my husband with my youngest 00:08:19.709 --> 00:08:24.069 girl. She was eight years old and my best friend 00:08:24.069 --> 00:08:27.980 and a nurse. And I started trying to speak, but 00:08:27.980 --> 00:08:31.740 it was the most difficult thing that I was trying 00:08:31.740 --> 00:08:36.139 to do. It was so difficult. But I was trying 00:08:36.139 --> 00:08:39.659 to speak in English. When my husband started 00:08:39.659 --> 00:08:43.179 speaking Portuguese with me, I couldn't understand 00:08:43.179 --> 00:08:47.179 nothing he was telling me. I realized and they 00:08:47.179 --> 00:08:50.059 realized that I couldn't understand or speak 00:08:50.059 --> 00:08:53.480 Portuguese, my own language. My friend and the 00:08:53.480 --> 00:08:57.539 nurse started speaking me. in English, and I 00:08:57.539 --> 00:09:01.259 was trying to tell them, but I only repeat, I 00:09:01.259 --> 00:09:06.000 was with my dad. I was with Jesus. I repeated 00:09:06.000 --> 00:09:09.759 this for a long time, many times, and my husband 00:09:09.759 --> 00:09:13.320 after told me, we are thinking that you are, 00:09:13.620 --> 00:09:15.480 I don't know, I don't know the word in English. 00:09:16.220 --> 00:09:20.090 You are not in your normal. brain or normal way, 00:09:20.330 --> 00:09:23.470 because you only say, I was with my dad, I was 00:09:23.470 --> 00:09:27.330 with Jesus, I saw my dad, and my dad already 00:09:27.330 --> 00:09:34.929 died for 16 years ago. But I wake up with those 00:09:34.929 --> 00:09:38.490 memories in my brain, especially two of them 00:09:38.490 --> 00:09:42.110 that I want to tell you, that I tell to everybody 00:09:42.110 --> 00:09:46.110 in my channel and in my book. I wake up with 00:09:46.110 --> 00:09:50.820 two memories. The first one was that I was in 00:09:50.820 --> 00:09:56.500 a hospital room and I saw something, but it was 00:09:56.500 --> 00:10:00.200 very, very different and very difficult for me 00:10:00.200 --> 00:10:04.080 to explain. I'll try to explain. I was in that 00:10:04.080 --> 00:10:07.960 situation that I was not feeling anything bad. 00:10:08.399 --> 00:10:11.139 This is the most thing that came to my mind. 00:10:11.379 --> 00:10:15.350 I was feeling good and peace and normal. But 00:10:15.350 --> 00:10:20.649 for me, it was like if I was in a condition that 00:10:20.649 --> 00:10:24.250 I knew something that I knew before. I don't 00:10:24.250 --> 00:10:27.490 know how to explain this. And I looked to something. 00:10:27.590 --> 00:10:31.529 I looked to a room. It was a hospital room. And 00:10:31.529 --> 00:10:35.889 I saw some professionals, some doctors or doctors 00:10:35.889 --> 00:10:41.129 working in someone that was laid down. It took 00:10:41.129 --> 00:10:45.519 a time for me to realize that that person was 00:10:45.519 --> 00:10:49.460 me. She was totally different. Let me explain 00:10:49.460 --> 00:10:51.899 in a way that you can understand. I think that 00:10:51.899 --> 00:10:55.320 when we are in our body, we have five senses. 00:10:55.639 --> 00:10:58.659 But I think that we are only a spirit. You have 00:10:58.659 --> 00:11:03.259 much more sense. I was feeling the whole, the 00:11:03.259 --> 00:11:07.559 whole place in back, inside. It was not only 00:11:07.559 --> 00:11:11.519 what I was looking for. So I think we have much 00:11:11.519 --> 00:11:15.350 more sense. when we are spirit. I am sure about 00:11:15.350 --> 00:11:19.570 this. Well, and that vania that was laid down 00:11:19.570 --> 00:11:23.909 on the table looks like in 3D for me. And I was 00:11:23.909 --> 00:11:28.009 surprised. And then I realized that was me. And 00:11:28.009 --> 00:11:31.370 in the feet where I was laid down, in my feet 00:11:31.370 --> 00:11:35.230 in the table or bed, I don't know how to say 00:11:35.230 --> 00:11:39.429 this in English, I saw something very special. 00:11:40.190 --> 00:11:45.600 There was a big light and I saw my dad. I wasn't 00:11:45.600 --> 00:11:49.779 surprised to saw my dad and I wasn't afraid to 00:11:49.779 --> 00:11:53.580 see that I was that woman laid down because for 00:11:53.580 --> 00:11:56.820 me it looks like I wasn't that person laid down. 00:11:57.299 --> 00:12:02.340 I look and I couldn't feel that I was her. I 00:12:02.340 --> 00:12:05.820 was not afraid about anything. It's totally different 00:12:05.820 --> 00:12:08.740 than we see in those Hollywood movies, oh I'm 00:12:08.740 --> 00:12:12.659 dying, that one is me. No, it's not nothing like 00:12:12.659 --> 00:12:17.039 this for me at least wasn't like this and I was 00:12:17.039 --> 00:12:21.600 feeling good and with The vision of my dad I 00:12:21.600 --> 00:12:24.879 was feeling something very good coming from here 00:12:24.879 --> 00:12:28.580 to me. It was something very good I think it 00:12:28.580 --> 00:12:34.779 was his love my dad he died When he was 74 years 00:12:34.779 --> 00:12:38.720 old from cancer, but that man that I was looking 00:12:39.159 --> 00:12:44.039 was totally different Eric. He was like my dad 00:12:44.039 --> 00:12:47.440 that I remember when I was seven or eight years 00:12:47.440 --> 00:12:52.120 old. He was so great. But there was something 00:12:52.120 --> 00:12:55.919 in him that I never saw in this life, in his 00:12:55.919 --> 00:12:58.620 face in this life. I don't know how I explain 00:12:58.620 --> 00:13:04.399 this. It looks like he was totally, I don't have 00:13:04.399 --> 00:13:08.659 words even in Portuguese to tell him. He just 00:13:08.659 --> 00:13:13.460 opened his arm and he said, daughter. But he 00:13:13.460 --> 00:13:16.500 never used his mouth. He didn't use his mouth. 00:13:16.639 --> 00:13:20.820 He spoke this in my brain, in my mind. I think 00:13:20.820 --> 00:13:25.460 it was from his mind to my mind. And I just told 00:13:25.460 --> 00:13:29.480 him, I love that, but I have to stay with her. 00:13:30.080 --> 00:13:35.059 And her was me. Lay down. But I don't know how. 00:13:35.149 --> 00:13:38.789 Why I say this way? Because I felt that that 00:13:38.789 --> 00:13:41.509 one was not me. That's why I say I have to stay 00:13:41.509 --> 00:13:44.690 with her. And that is the memory that I have 00:13:44.690 --> 00:13:48.629 with my dad. If I had something else, I don't 00:13:48.629 --> 00:13:52.129 know. I don't remember. Well, the other memory 00:13:52.129 --> 00:13:55.789 that arrived with me when I woke up after the 00:13:55.789 --> 00:13:59.570 coma was very bad. It was totally different, 00:13:59.809 --> 00:14:04.090 Eric. Totally different. The memory that came 00:14:04.269 --> 00:14:07.750 and that I was trying to tell them but I couldn't, 00:14:07.769 --> 00:14:13.590 it was so difficult to speak, was a very afraid 00:14:13.590 --> 00:14:19.470 memory. I remember very clearly that I was back 00:14:19.470 --> 00:14:23.909 in my body and I knew that I was alone in a hospital 00:14:23.909 --> 00:14:28.230 room. I don't know how, but I knew that I was 00:14:28.230 --> 00:14:32.360 back. And I feel, I felt that nobody was with 00:14:32.360 --> 00:14:35.200 me in the room. I don't know how I felt this. 00:14:35.419 --> 00:14:38.799 I was feeling that I was dying. I was feeling 00:14:38.799 --> 00:14:43.679 cold, petrified, terrified. I was feeling a lot 00:14:43.679 --> 00:14:47.440 of pain in my body. I was feeling a lot of cold 00:14:47.440 --> 00:14:52.139 in my feet. And I was freeze, I couldn't move. 00:14:52.679 --> 00:14:58.070 But the most worst thing was in my throat. looked 00:14:58.070 --> 00:15:02.289 like something was in my throat that I couldn't 00:15:02.289 --> 00:15:06.549 breathe or that I was feeling so bad. And I was 00:15:06.549 --> 00:15:10.210 very afraid. And something came to my mind. I 00:15:10.210 --> 00:15:13.970 think, I am dying alone in the hospital. And 00:15:13.970 --> 00:15:17.769 then I say, what I can do? And I start praying. 00:15:18.190 --> 00:15:22.389 And I pray to God to help me. And I just ask 00:15:22.389 --> 00:15:26.460 for help. That is something very needed. in my 00:15:26.460 --> 00:15:30.580 mind when I woke up. And I told them, yeah, I 00:15:30.580 --> 00:15:33.740 was trying to tell them, but my husband said 00:15:33.740 --> 00:15:37.240 that nobody understand nothing that I was trying 00:15:37.240 --> 00:15:40.320 to say, even in English, that people that was 00:15:40.320 --> 00:15:42.580 speaking English because my English was so bad. 00:15:43.080 --> 00:15:46.100 Well, I was trying to tell them that I was praying 00:15:46.100 --> 00:15:51.000 and that I felt something very strong in my left 00:15:51.000 --> 00:15:56.399 side of the bed. And I, I trying to to see what 00:15:56.399 --> 00:16:00.200 was this, but I was only feeling, I was feeling 00:16:00.200 --> 00:16:04.759 that was something very powerful in my left side 00:16:04.759 --> 00:16:10.539 of the bed. I don't know if I saw this wonderful 00:16:10.539 --> 00:16:15.700 light and this wonderful image in my brain because 00:16:15.700 --> 00:16:21.240 probably I was with my eyes closed, but maybe 00:16:21.240 --> 00:16:24.740 my spiritual eyes, I don't know how explain this. 00:16:25.360 --> 00:16:31.500 But I saw a face, and the most amazing thing 00:16:31.500 --> 00:16:36.480 on that face that made me very emotional even 00:16:36.480 --> 00:16:42.519 today, ten years ago, was the eyes. The two eyes 00:16:42.519 --> 00:16:46.179 that I never saw something like this. It looks 00:16:46.179 --> 00:16:50.559 like he has the sun or fire inside his eyes. 00:16:51.200 --> 00:16:54.059 It was true flame. I don't know how to explain 00:16:54.059 --> 00:16:59.870 this. The eyes was so impressive that I almost 00:16:59.870 --> 00:17:03.809 don't remember everything in his face detail. 00:17:04.190 --> 00:17:10.670 I remember the nose, this part and the mouth, 00:17:11.089 --> 00:17:14.910 but the eyes was the most impressive. It looks 00:17:14.910 --> 00:17:18.930 like I was going down, dipping down in his eyes. 00:17:19.349 --> 00:17:22.150 And I remember that I say, I think Lord send 00:17:22.150 --> 00:17:25.359 me an angel. to help me or this is the angel 00:17:25.359 --> 00:17:29.500 that came to pick up me I don't know I was afraid 00:17:29.500 --> 00:17:33.339 but he took my hands when he took my hands I 00:17:33.339 --> 00:17:36.839 was feeling this is not an angel I can feel his 00:17:36.839 --> 00:17:41.319 hand in my hand my left hand and he said two 00:17:41.319 --> 00:17:44.799 things for me in my brain in my mind he never 00:17:44.799 --> 00:17:49.579 used his mouth to he said two things and the 00:17:49.579 --> 00:17:53.319 first thing I was why he is telling me this He 00:17:53.319 --> 00:17:58.259 said, we are very happy with your missionary. 00:17:58.680 --> 00:18:02.980 He's doing a great work. And in that moment, 00:18:03.099 --> 00:18:07.559 I realized that he was telling about my son. 00:18:08.359 --> 00:18:12.359 My son in that time was serving as a volunteer 00:18:12.359 --> 00:18:17.180 missionary in Guatemala service. And I say, why 00:18:17.180 --> 00:18:21.059 he is telling about my son while I'm dying? And 00:18:21.059 --> 00:18:25.660 then the second thing he said, your husband is 00:18:25.660 --> 00:18:29.759 a man very faithful. Because of this, he will 00:18:29.759 --> 00:18:34.859 see some miracle in his life. And then he told 00:18:34.859 --> 00:18:39.880 me for three times the same thing, everything 00:18:39.880 --> 00:18:44.619 will be all right. For three times he said this. 00:18:44.880 --> 00:18:49.599 While he was telling this, Eric, I felt something 00:18:49.599 --> 00:18:54.460 coming from here to me. Looks like something 00:18:54.460 --> 00:18:58.900 physical touching me, surrounding me, like a 00:18:58.900 --> 00:19:04.019 blank or a warm thing, very good thing. And I 00:19:04.019 --> 00:19:06.680 stopped feeling. The thing that I was feeling, 00:19:06.859 --> 00:19:11.400 I didn't feel nothing more pain or cold or freeze 00:19:11.400 --> 00:19:16.059 or petrified or pain in my head. I was feeling 00:19:16.059 --> 00:19:20.220 something coming and surrounding me and looks 00:19:20.220 --> 00:19:24.279 like he was courting me or something like this. 00:19:24.980 --> 00:19:28.759 And then in that moment, something came to my 00:19:28.759 --> 00:19:31.759 mind and I realized that he was not an angel. 00:19:32.160 --> 00:19:38.549 And I thought, This is His love. He is my savor. 00:19:38.829 --> 00:19:44.809 And because of this love, He died for us. He 00:19:44.809 --> 00:19:48.450 is our savor. Because of this love that I'm feeling, 00:19:48.569 --> 00:19:51.390 something that I never felt before, something 00:19:51.390 --> 00:19:55.269 that is totally difficult to explain, is not 00:19:55.269 --> 00:19:58.359 something like we feel. Because I am a mom and 00:19:58.359 --> 00:20:02.579 a grandma. And I know that grandma love are the 00:20:02.579 --> 00:20:06.680 most amazing love that people in the world consider 00:20:06.680 --> 00:20:11.140 great. But that thing that I was feeling was 00:20:11.140 --> 00:20:14.880 too much more than grandma or grandmother loves. 00:20:15.319 --> 00:20:17.720 I don't know how to explain this, but it was 00:20:17.720 --> 00:20:21.640 something physical that was surrounding me. But 00:20:21.640 --> 00:20:26.349 I feel that was something powerful that was make 00:20:26.349 --> 00:20:29.849 me feel so bad. And I don't remember anything 00:20:29.849 --> 00:20:33.329 else. If something else happened, I don't remember. 00:20:34.309 --> 00:20:37.289 That is awesome. All right, I get to ask some 00:20:37.289 --> 00:20:41.069 questions now. OK, you can ask me whatever you 00:20:41.069 --> 00:20:45.309 want. I don't understand why you had the fear 00:20:45.309 --> 00:20:48.190 and the memory of feeling alone in your hospital 00:20:48.190 --> 00:20:51.390 room. Do you have any more insight on that? Why 00:20:51.390 --> 00:20:54.619 do you think that happened? Well, I I thought 00:20:54.619 --> 00:20:57.420 about this for almost 40 days while I was in 00:20:57.420 --> 00:21:02.240 recovery center. I wrote with very difficult 00:21:02.240 --> 00:21:06.799 because my hand was very difficult to write. 00:21:07.019 --> 00:21:09.440 My husband helped me to write something that 00:21:09.440 --> 00:21:13.000 I taught him. I was telling him and he was trying 00:21:13.000 --> 00:21:16.140 to write and I read and I said, it's not this, 00:21:16.319 --> 00:21:21.140 go again. So I don't know why I was feeling... 00:21:21.420 --> 00:21:27.920 alone or fear. But I had a conclusion that maybe 00:21:27.920 --> 00:21:31.759 is not the correct, but I am a simple person. 00:21:31.819 --> 00:21:35.259 I am not an expert about anything of this. After 00:21:35.259 --> 00:21:38.779 this happened with me, I read and read everything 00:21:38.779 --> 00:21:41.900 and watched everything that I can about the experience. 00:21:42.559 --> 00:21:48.380 I think that I felt I was back in my body. Maybe 00:21:48.380 --> 00:21:53.319 that is why. I was feeling afraid because of 00:21:53.319 --> 00:21:57.740 that bad feeling that I was feeling. Well, Eric, 00:21:58.799 --> 00:22:03.440 I have a vivid memory in my mind about how is 00:22:03.440 --> 00:22:09.000 to be without a body, out of your body. And that 00:22:09.000 --> 00:22:14.960 memory is so good. I was feeling so good. I was 00:22:14.960 --> 00:22:19.940 feeling peace. I was feeling... I don't have 00:22:19.940 --> 00:22:24.440 words to say, but be back in this body is terrible. 00:22:24.700 --> 00:22:27.980 It was terrible. Maybe because I was sick with 00:22:27.980 --> 00:22:32.339 the brain damage. Maybe that's the reason I was 00:22:32.339 --> 00:22:35.500 afraid. I don't have any other answer for you. 00:22:35.779 --> 00:22:38.819 That completely makes sense to me. Yeah. Because 00:22:38.819 --> 00:22:43.519 you felt, well, the love of your father and of 00:22:43.519 --> 00:22:47.029 Jesus. and just being out of your body felt so 00:22:47.029 --> 00:22:52.049 wonderful that now being away from that and back 00:22:52.049 --> 00:22:55.150 in reality here on earth and in your body, that 00:22:55.150 --> 00:22:58.390 would feel like a huge difference, a huge paradigm 00:22:58.390 --> 00:23:02.130 shift, right? So it makes sense that you would 00:23:02.130 --> 00:23:06.750 feel all kinds of things. And the aloneness can 00:23:06.750 --> 00:23:12.430 also feel very similar to, I miss That person 00:23:12.430 --> 00:23:16.430 or that feeling that I just had right? Yeah, 00:23:16.430 --> 00:23:20.789 you told me everything Those are very similar 00:23:20.789 --> 00:23:23.170 emotions, so I think it's normal that you would 00:23:23.170 --> 00:23:26.789 feel that way I'll never forget this memories 00:23:26.789 --> 00:23:30.769 Ten years ago, but I can't and I don't want to 00:23:30.769 --> 00:23:35.250 forget this No, and I can see why you want to 00:23:35.250 --> 00:23:37.930 share it with everybody and I want to just interject 00:23:37.930 --> 00:23:41.430 something really quickly here because Every once 00:23:41.430 --> 00:23:44.750 in a while I get a comment from a listener saying, 00:23:45.549 --> 00:23:48.190 oh, that guest you had on mentioned they have 00:23:48.190 --> 00:23:50.829 a book out, so they're just trying to make money 00:23:50.829 --> 00:23:56.269 on this. And not everybody is that way. In fact, 00:23:56.430 --> 00:23:59.509 when I was talking with you, Vanya, the other 00:23:59.509 --> 00:24:02.430 day, you mentioned I'm not trying to make any 00:24:02.430 --> 00:24:06.109 money on this book. In fact, if I remember right, 00:24:06.150 --> 00:24:10.559 the audio version is actually free. I just want 00:24:10.559 --> 00:24:13.579 to tell to people. You do need to cover printing 00:24:13.579 --> 00:24:17.140 and stuff like that, but your motivation is just 00:24:17.140 --> 00:24:20.339 to get your experience out to everybody. And 00:24:20.339 --> 00:24:23.440 we thank you for that. And if anybody is judging 00:24:23.440 --> 00:24:27.720 you for that, then shame on them. Yes, I have 00:24:27.720 --> 00:24:30.960 to tell you, because this is my mission. I think 00:24:30.960 --> 00:24:35.779 that, well, I know that someday. Pay attention. 00:24:36.809 --> 00:24:40.869 Someday, you, Eric, me, you that are listening, 00:24:41.750 --> 00:24:46.589 will be in front of Jesus for our judgment about 00:24:46.589 --> 00:24:48.789 everything that we did in our life here in this 00:24:48.789 --> 00:24:52.410 earth. And when He asks me, what you did with 00:24:52.410 --> 00:24:56.410 your miracle, I want to tell Him that I did everything 00:24:56.410 --> 00:25:00.670 that I could to tell people that He is real, 00:25:01.509 --> 00:25:06.359 as real as you and me, because I saw Him. And 00:25:06.359 --> 00:25:09.960 He is alive in another way, in a perfect way. 00:25:10.640 --> 00:25:13.660 And in a perfect way that we can be too, if we 00:25:13.660 --> 00:25:16.519 follow Him. There is a lot of religion. I don't 00:25:16.519 --> 00:25:18.920 know what is your religion, but Jesus is the 00:25:18.920 --> 00:25:22.839 same. We have to follow Him. He is real. And 00:25:22.839 --> 00:25:25.559 this is my mission. He brought me back to tell 00:25:25.559 --> 00:25:30.150 people that He is real. That's why I have to 00:25:30.150 --> 00:25:33.130 write. I wrote a book in three languages because 00:25:33.130 --> 00:25:37.150 more people can listen. This is very cheap and 00:25:37.150 --> 00:25:41.309 you can have for free in Kindle or you can listen 00:25:41.309 --> 00:25:44.190 my story in my channel for free too. I don't 00:25:44.190 --> 00:25:46.410 want to gain money with this. I just want to 00:25:46.410 --> 00:25:49.609 tell to everybody what happened. To help them 00:25:49.609 --> 00:25:52.250 to understand that life is much more than this 00:25:52.250 --> 00:25:54.859 that we see. And by the way, we'll put a link 00:25:54.859 --> 00:25:57.680 in the show notes so everybody can find it. All 00:25:57.680 --> 00:26:00.279 right, I have another question for you. I think 00:26:00.279 --> 00:26:03.539 it's so cool that you saw your dad and had communication 00:26:03.539 --> 00:26:06.859 with your dad. And you said, and I think you 00:26:06.859 --> 00:26:10.380 said something like, he looked like when I was 00:26:10.380 --> 00:26:13.299 seven or eight years old. How old would he have 00:26:13.299 --> 00:26:17.880 been at that time? Well, when I was seven, he 00:26:17.880 --> 00:26:21.890 was 40, 39 or 40, something like this. Because 00:26:21.890 --> 00:26:26.890 I was born when he was 32, 33. Okay, can you 00:26:26.890 --> 00:26:29.509 tell us anything else about what he looked like? 00:26:29.930 --> 00:26:32.730 What his demeanor was like? Did he seem happy? 00:26:33.730 --> 00:26:37.170 Well, happy is not the main thing that came into 00:26:37.170 --> 00:26:42.589 my mind, but it was whole, complete, in peace. 00:26:43.549 --> 00:26:48.490 It was... Let me see if I have other... Happy... 00:26:48.490 --> 00:26:52.829 I think happy is a... something that came with 00:26:52.829 --> 00:26:57.769 others most important adjective. And I think 00:26:57.769 --> 00:27:00.349 he was happy, but this is not the main thing 00:27:00.349 --> 00:27:06.029 that came to my mind. He was calm. He was complete, 00:27:06.430 --> 00:27:10.269 whole. He was in peace. That is the main thing 00:27:10.269 --> 00:27:13.869 that keep in my mind with this memory. And he 00:27:13.869 --> 00:27:19.509 was so, so strong and... Not young, but he was 00:27:19.509 --> 00:27:23.549 very, very young that he was when he died, but 00:27:23.549 --> 00:27:29.450 he was, he was amazing. I want to see him again 00:27:29.450 --> 00:27:33.190 and I know that I will see him again. And can 00:27:33.190 --> 00:27:36.170 you give us a little bit more explanation about, 00:27:36.549 --> 00:27:39.450 I believe you were talking about Jesus when you 00:27:39.450 --> 00:27:41.910 said you saw his face and you were describing 00:27:41.910 --> 00:27:45.789 his eyes, which was beautiful. Can you give us 00:27:45.789 --> 00:27:48.990 any more description there? When I woke up, I 00:27:48.990 --> 00:27:52.809 was in the hospital thinking about the main thing. 00:27:53.490 --> 00:27:58.150 How I realized He was Jesus. When did I realize 00:27:58.150 --> 00:28:01.869 He was not an angel, He was Jesus? I had a conclusion. 00:28:02.750 --> 00:28:07.309 I realized He was not an angel, He was Jesus. 00:28:07.809 --> 00:28:11.509 When I felt His love curing me or bringing me 00:28:11.509 --> 00:28:14.930 back and helping me to stop feeling those... 00:28:15.279 --> 00:28:18.940 horrible thing that I was feeling. And then something 00:28:18.940 --> 00:28:21.779 came to my mind that made me afraid. I said, 00:28:22.660 --> 00:28:26.059 this is his love? This is the way that he loves 00:28:26.059 --> 00:28:30.559 me? He is screaming, making me feel very good 00:28:30.559 --> 00:28:34.960 again? Then I realized, this is not an angel. 00:28:35.660 --> 00:28:40.240 This is our savior because he is the only one 00:28:40.240 --> 00:28:44.549 that has his kind of love. that can cure us, 00:28:44.769 --> 00:28:49.670 that can bring us back, that make us feel comfortable. 00:28:50.309 --> 00:28:53.490 When I woke up in the hospital, the first week 00:28:53.490 --> 00:28:55.970 was the most difficult for me. Do you know why, 00:28:56.109 --> 00:28:59.490 Eric? I was crying every day, because I don't 00:28:59.490 --> 00:29:02.549 want to be back. I want to stay with him, feeling 00:29:02.549 --> 00:29:06.069 that love. I want to stay with him. I was saying, 00:29:06.210 --> 00:29:08.769 I don't want to be back. And then I was trying 00:29:08.769 --> 00:29:12.420 to... convinced me, Vânia, you almost die, you 00:29:12.420 --> 00:29:15.779 have a family, you have three kids, you have 00:29:15.779 --> 00:29:18.759 a lot of things to live, you have to live, you 00:29:18.759 --> 00:29:22.579 have to say thank you. But I was only thinking 00:29:22.579 --> 00:29:26.759 about that situation, that feeling that I was 00:29:26.759 --> 00:29:30.660 feeling while I was with him, surround me with 00:29:30.660 --> 00:29:34.500 his love. I just want to stay that way, not be 00:29:34.500 --> 00:29:37.289 back. I just want to stay that way. I try to 00:29:37.289 --> 00:29:40.289 live in a way that I can be back surrounded by 00:29:40.289 --> 00:29:44.630 that love because this is most important than 00:29:44.630 --> 00:29:48.589 the air that we breathe. We don't know about 00:29:48.589 --> 00:29:51.250 these things. We don't understand these things 00:29:51.250 --> 00:29:54.549 and I try to explain what is difficult. How else 00:29:54.549 --> 00:29:57.450 would you explain that love? You're a mother 00:29:57.450 --> 00:30:00.609 and a grandmother and you love those children 00:30:00.609 --> 00:30:03.930 and those grandchildren. Was it more than that 00:30:03.930 --> 00:30:08.240 even? Yes, because do you know, let me try to 00:30:08.240 --> 00:30:12.880 explain. I love my kids. And I think many mom 00:30:12.880 --> 00:30:18.220 will agree with me. When our kid frustrates a 00:30:18.220 --> 00:30:22.799 mom, when our kid disappoints a mom, we have 00:30:22.799 --> 00:30:27.700 to deal with this. But we deal with this in a 00:30:27.700 --> 00:30:32.349 situation as mortal and imperfect. person that 00:30:32.349 --> 00:30:36.470 I am and that we are. Jesus' love doesn't change 00:30:36.470 --> 00:30:42.390 because our bad shows, bad situation. It doesn't 00:30:42.390 --> 00:30:45.970 change the love of Jesus for us. Someone that 00:30:45.970 --> 00:30:50.950 we love does something that hurts me. When someone 00:30:50.950 --> 00:30:53.490 does something that disappoints me or makes me 00:30:53.490 --> 00:30:58.049 very sad or makes something bad for me, sometimes 00:30:58.049 --> 00:31:01.380 I have some feelings that I have to deal. as 00:31:01.380 --> 00:31:04.940 a mom, as a wife, or brother, sister, whatever. 00:31:05.740 --> 00:31:10.740 But Jesus has the power to not change His love 00:31:10.740 --> 00:31:15.140 for us, independent of what I did. If I did something 00:31:15.140 --> 00:31:18.859 very bad, He still loves us in the same way. 00:31:18.920 --> 00:31:22.539 That is amazing. That is the way that we have 00:31:22.539 --> 00:31:26.079 to learn to love. I'm trying to do this for 10 00:31:26.079 --> 00:31:30.200 years, Eric. I'm trying to do this with my husband, 00:31:30.640 --> 00:31:34.380 with my kids, with my mom, brother, or friend, 00:31:34.700 --> 00:31:38.180 everybody that disappoint me, or do something 00:31:38.180 --> 00:31:45.099 that can make me something bad, or feel something 00:31:45.099 --> 00:31:50.619 sad because of something that people do for us. 00:31:50.980 --> 00:31:55.519 But the love of Jesus doesn't change. Doesn't 00:31:55.519 --> 00:32:00.019 change. Depending on what I do, it doesn't change. 00:32:00.559 --> 00:32:03.119 Well, I'm very emotional. I don't know how my 00:32:03.119 --> 00:32:06.160 English is going on. So just tell me if you don't 00:32:06.160 --> 00:32:09.920 understand. Your English is doing great. And 00:32:09.920 --> 00:32:12.960 I appreciate the explanation because a lot of 00:32:12.960 --> 00:32:16.299 people feel like when they hear the term judgment 00:32:16.299 --> 00:32:18.299 that there's going to be a judgment someday. 00:32:19.319 --> 00:32:22.259 In our human, you know, and especially our English 00:32:22.259 --> 00:32:26.059 language, that seems to come with punishment. 00:32:26.640 --> 00:32:30.200 Yes. Or you get less love because you weren't 00:32:30.200 --> 00:32:34.099 perfect and things like that. So I really appreciate 00:32:34.099 --> 00:32:36.799 the way that you're explaining it. Before I let 00:32:36.799 --> 00:32:40.359 you go today, before we wrap up, I just wondered, 00:32:40.500 --> 00:32:42.259 is there anything else that you feel like you 00:32:42.259 --> 00:32:48.019 want to share with everybody? Wow, a lot. No, 00:32:48.039 --> 00:32:51.559 that's okay. If I have two minutes, that is enough. 00:32:52.640 --> 00:32:55.579 what I want to tell to everybody that is listening 00:32:55.579 --> 00:32:59.660 to me. The first thing, I am not a perfect person 00:32:59.660 --> 00:33:03.619 because of this experience. I'm committing mistakes, 00:33:04.059 --> 00:33:08.740 I'm trying to be better every day, but I learned 00:33:08.740 --> 00:33:13.920 from Jesus that I'm doing great. Sometimes some 00:33:13.920 --> 00:33:19.069 voice came to our minds to judge us. and to tell 00:33:19.069 --> 00:33:22.089 us that we are not able to do that, you are bad, 00:33:22.190 --> 00:33:26.029 you are not so good, there's no way for you to 00:33:26.029 --> 00:33:29.130 be better, you are in a situation that Jesus 00:33:29.130 --> 00:33:33.710 will not hit you again, you are so low. This, 00:33:33.950 --> 00:33:37.970 everything came from the hell. Send back to her, 00:33:38.170 --> 00:33:44.450 okay? You are a son of God, and Jesus is your 00:33:44.450 --> 00:33:48.769 Savior, my Savior, our Savior. He is the person 00:33:48.769 --> 00:33:51.849 that most loves you, more than your mom and your 00:33:51.849 --> 00:33:56.529 grandma too. He loves you. Independent, what 00:33:56.529 --> 00:34:00.509 you are, what you have done, what your choice, 00:34:00.890 --> 00:34:05.289 He loves you. Because of His love and because 00:34:05.289 --> 00:34:11.530 of this, you can be better. Trust in yourself 00:34:11.530 --> 00:34:16.179 because of Jesus. He is the one that can help 00:34:16.179 --> 00:34:19.860 you to complete the part that you are not able 00:34:19.860 --> 00:34:23.340 to complete. Trust him. He's your best friend. 00:34:23.800 --> 00:34:27.940 Make him your best friend. He is someone that 00:34:27.940 --> 00:34:32.739 is waiting for us. That's why I'm here. And I'm 00:34:32.739 --> 00:34:35.960 so glad that he gave me this opportunity to be 00:34:35.960 --> 00:34:40.150 back, to live this experience. He gave me the 00:34:40.150 --> 00:34:43.769 opportunity to see the life in a different way. 00:34:44.510 --> 00:34:47.329 Things that was very important for me was not 00:34:47.329 --> 00:34:51.710 so important more. Do you know why? Because we 00:34:51.710 --> 00:34:56.989 think and we consider and we give much value 00:34:56.989 --> 00:35:01.190 to think that we'll stay here in this earth. 00:35:01.309 --> 00:35:04.429 You will not take this with you. You only take 00:35:04.429 --> 00:35:08.329 with you the relationship that you develop. the 00:35:08.329 --> 00:35:11.929 help that you gave to someone, the service, the 00:35:11.929 --> 00:35:14.969 love that you felt. So that is the thing that 00:35:14.969 --> 00:35:17.690 you take with you when you live this earth and 00:35:17.690 --> 00:35:22.090 this body. I don't think that you have to be 00:35:22.090 --> 00:35:26.170 something that don't study, don't achieve your 00:35:26.170 --> 00:35:29.070 goals, don't gain money. No, I'm not telling 00:35:29.070 --> 00:35:33.010 you this. I'm just telling you that is not the 00:35:33.010 --> 00:35:36.630 most important thing, okay? If you want to be 00:35:36.630 --> 00:35:40.099 my friend, I will love to speak with you. Just 00:35:40.099 --> 00:35:43.400 contact me. Facebook, Instagram, my channel. 00:35:44.260 --> 00:35:48.500 I am here to answer some questions for you. Maybe 00:35:48.500 --> 00:35:51.960 I can help you. I'm here for this. Last question. 00:35:52.460 --> 00:35:55.559 On a scale of one to ten, how much fear of death 00:35:55.559 --> 00:36:02.000 do you have? I'm waiting for this because it's 00:36:02.000 --> 00:36:11.969 amazing. Well. Negative one or zero. Good answer, 00:36:12.110 --> 00:36:15.449 good answer. Vania Valtriani, thank you so much 00:36:15.449 --> 00:36:18.969 for being with me today. Thank you to help me 00:36:18.969 --> 00:36:22.210 to have this opportunity to tell to people about 00:36:22.210 --> 00:36:26.869 this. Thanks again for listening and sharing 00:36:26.869 --> 00:36:29.170 this podcast. Don't forget to hit the follow 00:36:29.170 --> 00:36:32.050 or subscribe button and sign up for our newsletter 00:36:32.050 --> 00:36:35.199 at roundtriptest .com. If you want to share your 00:36:35.199 --> 00:36:37.639 near -death experience, or if you have questions 00:36:37.639 --> 00:36:40.340 or comments about the show, send an email to 00:36:40.340 --> 00:36:43.820 eric at roundtripdeath .com. Until then, I wish 00:36:43.820 --> 00:36:45.699 you everything good that you're looking for in 00:36:45.699 --> 00:36:47.360 this life and the next.