From the time that they pronounced me dead was
a good 45 minutes. They cut my clothes and then
they paddled. My heart, my heart had stopped
and I could see people screaming and crying but
I didn't realise that was actually my physical
body because I was somewhere else. The only thing
that I could feel if you could imagine absolute
love and peace, there wasn't anything else to
be felt. I was greeted by people I had known
in the past. I'm back home again. Incredibly
safe and felt at home. Welcome, welcome to Round
Trip Death, everybody. And I have a very special
guest that you're absolutely going to love today.
Vanya Valtriani. Good morning, Vanya. How are
you? Good morning, Eric. Very good. Thank you
for the invitation. Good. I can't wait for everybody
to hear about your near -death experience and
lots of other things that you have learned. First,
60 seconds or so, tell us a little bit about
you. Who are you? Where do you come from? My
name is Vania Votriani. I'm from Brazil, the
southeast of Brazil, São Paulo. I am a mom. Well,
I am a wife, mom, and grandma in this order.
How many grandkids? Three. Two boys and one girl.
And the kids are the same. No, the opposite.
The two girls and one boy. I study business administration
in my country. I work a lot in many companies
in Brazil. But then we decided to come to Provo,
Utah, where we are living now for 12 years now.
That must have been a culture shock. Yes. But
we learn a lot about this and do you know I learned
a lot about Brazilian people more after I leave
my country Because here I have another people
to compare others ethnic so we can see the difference
That's interesting. All right. Well, let's without
further ado as they say, let's go ahead. I'm
just checking my notes here You had a stroke
a little over 10 years ago. You were awfully
young. Was there some medical situation that
brought on your stroke? Never had any problem
before. Never strong headache, nothing, nothing.
Well, my dad, my mom told me that my dad had
the same stroke that I have in the same age I
was, 45 years old. Maybe this is genetic. I don't
know. Hopefully you didn't pass it on to your
children. Yes, I hope and I'm taking care and
help them to take care of their self to not have
the same. I learned it to help them. Well, let's
go ahead and jump into it. So tell me what happened
with your health and while you were in the hospital.
Take it away. OK, well, just summarize this.
We were living here for one year when I was working
in many different things, because I was a woman
that always worked a lot in my country. So when
I arrived here, I said, what I can do here? I
cannot use many of my knowledge here. my degree.
So I start working in something very different.
My life was totally different here in Provo than
in Sao Paulo because I started working doing
Brazilian entertainment. We were doing Brazilian
food, Brazilian parties, traditional Brazilian
parties with the community that live here with
us. And there's a lot of Brazilian people here
in Provo, more than I thought. So I think I was
working hard, stressful, a little, not stressful
a lot. I think that contribute for me because
we were organizing a traditional Brazilian party
in a big park here in Provo. It was July 14th,
21st. While we were dancing the traditional dance,
that we have in this activity, I felt a very,
very horrible pain in my brain. I can only describe
this like if someone hit me with a hot knife
in my brain and turned this. It was so bad that
I vomited and then I fell down. After that, I
just woke up after four days. And while This
happened, what I can tell you is what my husband
told me. He told me that they called to the ambulance
and it arrived in four minutes, very, very fast.
And I was took to the hospital and they detected
that I had a stroke and I was taken to the surgery
and my husband and some friend that was with
him in the party was in the hospital with them.
with him and my kids after the doctor arrived
after the surgery and he told to my husband that
two veins blast in my brain, a lot of blood in
my brain, and that they couldn't do anything.
There's nothing they can do and I will die. And
the doctor told to my husband. She has zero percent
of chance to survive. He told it this way because
my husband was here with me for one year and
our English was not so good in that time. And
we have a very good friend, a leader, a bishop
that was with him trying to translate everything.
My husband just asked to him if he could. could
give me a bless is a normal thing that we as
a member do and he gave me the bless and I stay
in coma for three days and in the fourth day
I wake up. I just was curious did you have a
long recovery after that or were you better quite
quickly? No it was a long recovery i was for
almost forty days in the recovery center in the
hospital wow it took a long time to me to learn
again doing simple things like brush my teeth
eat by myself without making a mess like a kid
be in. How can I say this in English? I think
it's equilibrium, balance, to walk in. Well,
everything was very difficult, especially speak.
You look like you've made a full recovery. So
that is fantastic. I'm so happy for you. I don't
have anything, anything. I have anything. The
doctor, well, the hospital, every day someone
knock in my door in the hospital. and tell to
me and my husband, we came to see the miracle
because the whole hospital is talking about her.
And people that was working on the hospital came
to my room and wanna see me because the doctor
could not explain what happened. But I know what
happened because I had a very special experience
while I was in coma. And I wanna tell you about
this. I wanna tell to everybody. Please do. We
want to hear all about it. I want all the detail.
So go ahead and tell us what you remembered after
you woke up. Well, when I woke up, the first
person that I saw was my husband with my youngest
girl. She was eight years old and my best friend
and a nurse. And I started trying to speak, but
it was the most difficult thing that I was trying
to do. It was so difficult. But I was trying
to speak in English. When my husband started
speaking Portuguese with me, I couldn't understand
nothing he was telling me. I realized and they
realized that I couldn't understand or speak
Portuguese, my own language. My friend and the
nurse started speaking me. in English, and I
was trying to tell them, but I only repeat, I
was with my dad. I was with Jesus. I repeated
this for a long time, many times, and my husband
after told me, we are thinking that you are,
I don't know, I don't know the word in English.
You are not in your normal. brain or normal way,
because you only say, I was with my dad, I was
with Jesus, I saw my dad, and my dad already
died for 16 years ago. But I wake up with those
memories in my brain, especially two of them
that I want to tell you, that I tell to everybody
in my channel and in my book. I wake up with
two memories. The first one was that I was in
a hospital room and I saw something, but it was
very, very different and very difficult for me
to explain. I'll try to explain. I was in that
situation that I was not feeling anything bad.
This is the most thing that came to my mind.
I was feeling good and peace and normal. But
for me, it was like if I was in a condition that
I knew something that I knew before. I don't
know how to explain this. And I looked to something.
I looked to a room. It was a hospital room. And
I saw some professionals, some doctors or doctors
working in someone that was laid down. It took
a time for me to realize that that person was
me. She was totally different. Let me explain
in a way that you can understand. I think that
when we are in our body, we have five senses.
But I think that we are only a spirit. You have
much more sense. I was feeling the whole, the
whole place in back, inside. It was not only
what I was looking for. So I think we have much
more sense. when we are spirit. I am sure about
this. Well, and that vania that was laid down
on the table looks like in 3D for me. And I was
surprised. And then I realized that was me. And
in the feet where I was laid down, in my feet
in the table or bed, I don't know how to say
this in English, I saw something very special.
There was a big light and I saw my dad. I wasn't
surprised to saw my dad and I wasn't afraid to
see that I was that woman laid down because for
me it looks like I wasn't that person laid down.
I look and I couldn't feel that I was her. I
was not afraid about anything. It's totally different
than we see in those Hollywood movies, oh I'm
dying, that one is me. No, it's not nothing like
this for me at least wasn't like this and I was
feeling good and with The vision of my dad I
was feeling something very good coming from here
to me. It was something very good I think it
was his love my dad he died When he was 74 years
old from cancer, but that man that I was looking
was totally different Eric. He was like my dad
that I remember when I was seven or eight years
old. He was so great. But there was something
in him that I never saw in this life, in his
face in this life. I don't know how I explain
this. It looks like he was totally, I don't have
words even in Portuguese to tell him. He just
opened his arm and he said, daughter. But he
never used his mouth. He didn't use his mouth.
He spoke this in my brain, in my mind. I think
it was from his mind to my mind. And I just told
him, I love that, but I have to stay with her.
And her was me. Lay down. But I don't know how.
Why I say this way? Because I felt that that
one was not me. That's why I say I have to stay
with her. And that is the memory that I have
with my dad. If I had something else, I don't
know. I don't remember. Well, the other memory
that arrived with me when I woke up after the
coma was very bad. It was totally different,
Eric. Totally different. The memory that came
and that I was trying to tell them but I couldn't,
it was so difficult to speak, was a very afraid
memory. I remember very clearly that I was back
in my body and I knew that I was alone in a hospital
room. I don't know how, but I knew that I was
back. And I feel, I felt that nobody was with
me in the room. I don't know how I felt this.
I was feeling that I was dying. I was feeling
cold, petrified, terrified. I was feeling a lot
of pain in my body. I was feeling a lot of cold
in my feet. And I was freeze, I couldn't move.
But the most worst thing was in my throat. looked
like something was in my throat that I couldn't
breathe or that I was feeling so bad. And I was
very afraid. And something came to my mind. I
think, I am dying alone in the hospital. And
then I say, what I can do? And I start praying.
And I pray to God to help me. And I just ask
for help. That is something very needed. in my
mind when I woke up. And I told them, yeah, I
was trying to tell them, but my husband said
that nobody understand nothing that I was trying
to say, even in English, that people that was
speaking English because my English was so bad.
Well, I was trying to tell them that I was praying
and that I felt something very strong in my left
side of the bed. And I, I trying to to see what
was this, but I was only feeling, I was feeling
that was something very powerful in my left side
of the bed. I don't know if I saw this wonderful
light and this wonderful image in my brain because
probably I was with my eyes closed, but maybe
my spiritual eyes, I don't know how explain this.
But I saw a face, and the most amazing thing
on that face that made me very emotional even
today, ten years ago, was the eyes. The two eyes
that I never saw something like this. It looks
like he has the sun or fire inside his eyes.
It was true flame. I don't know how to explain
this. The eyes was so impressive that I almost
don't remember everything in his face detail.
I remember the nose, this part and the mouth,
but the eyes was the most impressive. It looks
like I was going down, dipping down in his eyes.
And I remember that I say, I think Lord send
me an angel. to help me or this is the angel
that came to pick up me I don't know I was afraid
but he took my hands when he took my hands I
was feeling this is not an angel I can feel his
hand in my hand my left hand and he said two
things for me in my brain in my mind he never
used his mouth to he said two things and the
first thing I was why he is telling me this He
said, we are very happy with your missionary.
He's doing a great work. And in that moment,
I realized that he was telling about my son.
My son in that time was serving as a volunteer
missionary in Guatemala service. And I say, why
he is telling about my son while I'm dying? And
then the second thing he said, your husband is
a man very faithful. Because of this, he will
see some miracle in his life. And then he told
me for three times the same thing, everything
will be all right. For three times he said this.
While he was telling this, Eric, I felt something
coming from here to me. Looks like something
physical touching me, surrounding me, like a
blank or a warm thing, very good thing. And I
stopped feeling. The thing that I was feeling,
I didn't feel nothing more pain or cold or freeze
or petrified or pain in my head. I was feeling
something coming and surrounding me and looks
like he was courting me or something like this.
And then in that moment, something came to my
mind and I realized that he was not an angel.
And I thought, This is His love. He is my savor.
And because of this love, He died for us. He
is our savor. Because of this love that I'm feeling,
something that I never felt before, something
that is totally difficult to explain, is not
something like we feel. Because I am a mom and
a grandma. And I know that grandma love are the
most amazing love that people in the world consider
great. But that thing that I was feeling was
too much more than grandma or grandmother loves.
I don't know how to explain this, but it was
something physical that was surrounding me. But
I feel that was something powerful that was make
me feel so bad. And I don't remember anything
else. If something else happened, I don't remember.
That is awesome. All right, I get to ask some
questions now. OK, you can ask me whatever you
want. I don't understand why you had the fear
and the memory of feeling alone in your hospital
room. Do you have any more insight on that? Why
do you think that happened? Well, I I thought
about this for almost 40 days while I was in
recovery center. I wrote with very difficult
because my hand was very difficult to write.
My husband helped me to write something that
I taught him. I was telling him and he was trying
to write and I read and I said, it's not this,
go again. So I don't know why I was feeling...
alone or fear. But I had a conclusion that maybe
is not the correct, but I am a simple person.
I am not an expert about anything of this. After
this happened with me, I read and read everything
and watched everything that I can about the experience.
I think that I felt I was back in my body. Maybe
that is why. I was feeling afraid because of
that bad feeling that I was feeling. Well, Eric,
I have a vivid memory in my mind about how is
to be without a body, out of your body. And that
memory is so good. I was feeling so good. I was
feeling peace. I was feeling... I don't have
words to say, but be back in this body is terrible.
It was terrible. Maybe because I was sick with
the brain damage. Maybe that's the reason I was
afraid. I don't have any other answer for you.
That completely makes sense to me. Yeah. Because
you felt, well, the love of your father and of
Jesus. and just being out of your body felt so
wonderful that now being away from that and back
in reality here on earth and in your body, that
would feel like a huge difference, a huge paradigm
shift, right? So it makes sense that you would
feel all kinds of things. And the aloneness can
also feel very similar to, I miss That person
or that feeling that I just had right? Yeah,
you told me everything Those are very similar
emotions, so I think it's normal that you would
feel that way I'll never forget this memories
Ten years ago, but I can't and I don't want to
forget this No, and I can see why you want to
share it with everybody and I want to just interject
something really quickly here because Every once
in a while I get a comment from a listener saying,
oh, that guest you had on mentioned they have
a book out, so they're just trying to make money
on this. And not everybody is that way. In fact,
when I was talking with you, Vanya, the other
day, you mentioned I'm not trying to make any
money on this book. In fact, if I remember right,
the audio version is actually free. I just want
to tell to people. You do need to cover printing
and stuff like that, but your motivation is just
to get your experience out to everybody. And
we thank you for that. And if anybody is judging
you for that, then shame on them. Yes, I have
to tell you, because this is my mission. I think
that, well, I know that someday. Pay attention.
Someday, you, Eric, me, you that are listening,
will be in front of Jesus for our judgment about
everything that we did in our life here in this
earth. And when He asks me, what you did with
your miracle, I want to tell Him that I did everything
that I could to tell people that He is real,
as real as you and me, because I saw Him. And
He is alive in another way, in a perfect way.
And in a perfect way that we can be too, if we
follow Him. There is a lot of religion. I don't
know what is your religion, but Jesus is the
same. We have to follow Him. He is real. And
this is my mission. He brought me back to tell
people that He is real. That's why I have to
write. I wrote a book in three languages because
more people can listen. This is very cheap and
you can have for free in Kindle or you can listen
my story in my channel for free too. I don't
want to gain money with this. I just want to
tell to everybody what happened. To help them
to understand that life is much more than this
that we see. And by the way, we'll put a link
in the show notes so everybody can find it. All
right, I have another question for you. I think
it's so cool that you saw your dad and had communication
with your dad. And you said, and I think you
said something like, he looked like when I was
seven or eight years old. How old would he have
been at that time? Well, when I was seven, he
was 40, 39 or 40, something like this. Because
I was born when he was 32, 33. Okay, can you
tell us anything else about what he looked like?
What his demeanor was like? Did he seem happy?
Well, happy is not the main thing that came into
my mind, but it was whole, complete, in peace.
It was... Let me see if I have other... Happy...
I think happy is a... something that came with
others most important adjective. And I think
he was happy, but this is not the main thing
that came to my mind. He was calm. He was complete,
whole. He was in peace. That is the main thing
that keep in my mind with this memory. And he
was so, so strong and... Not young, but he was
very, very young that he was when he died, but
he was, he was amazing. I want to see him again
and I know that I will see him again. And can
you give us a little bit more explanation about,
I believe you were talking about Jesus when you
said you saw his face and you were describing
his eyes, which was beautiful. Can you give us
any more description there? When I woke up, I
was in the hospital thinking about the main thing.
How I realized He was Jesus. When did I realize
He was not an angel, He was Jesus? I had a conclusion.
I realized He was not an angel, He was Jesus.
When I felt His love curing me or bringing me
back and helping me to stop feeling those...
horrible thing that I was feeling. And then something
came to my mind that made me afraid. I said,
this is his love? This is the way that he loves
me? He is screaming, making me feel very good
again? Then I realized, this is not an angel.
This is our savior because he is the only one
that has his kind of love. that can cure us,
that can bring us back, that make us feel comfortable.
When I woke up in the hospital, the first week
was the most difficult for me. Do you know why,
Eric? I was crying every day, because I don't
want to be back. I want to stay with him, feeling
that love. I want to stay with him. I was saying,
I don't want to be back. And then I was trying
to... convinced me, Vânia, you almost die, you
have a family, you have three kids, you have
a lot of things to live, you have to live, you
have to say thank you. But I was only thinking
about that situation, that feeling that I was
feeling while I was with him, surround me with
his love. I just want to stay that way, not be
back. I just want to stay that way. I try to
live in a way that I can be back surrounded by
that love because this is most important than
the air that we breathe. We don't know about
these things. We don't understand these things
and I try to explain what is difficult. How else
would you explain that love? You're a mother
and a grandmother and you love those children
and those grandchildren. Was it more than that
even? Yes, because do you know, let me try to
explain. I love my kids. And I think many mom
will agree with me. When our kid frustrates a
mom, when our kid disappoints a mom, we have
to deal with this. But we deal with this in a
situation as mortal and imperfect. person that
I am and that we are. Jesus' love doesn't change
because our bad shows, bad situation. It doesn't
change the love of Jesus for us. Someone that
we love does something that hurts me. When someone
does something that disappoints me or makes me
very sad or makes something bad for me, sometimes
I have some feelings that I have to deal. as
a mom, as a wife, or brother, sister, whatever.
But Jesus has the power to not change His love
for us, independent of what I did. If I did something
very bad, He still loves us in the same way.
That is amazing. That is the way that we have
to learn to love. I'm trying to do this for 10
years, Eric. I'm trying to do this with my husband,
with my kids, with my mom, brother, or friend,
everybody that disappoint me, or do something
that can make me something bad, or feel something
sad because of something that people do for us.
But the love of Jesus doesn't change. Doesn't
change. Depending on what I do, it doesn't change.
Well, I'm very emotional. I don't know how my
English is going on. So just tell me if you don't
understand. Your English is doing great. And
I appreciate the explanation because a lot of
people feel like when they hear the term judgment
that there's going to be a judgment someday.
In our human, you know, and especially our English
language, that seems to come with punishment.
Yes. Or you get less love because you weren't
perfect and things like that. So I really appreciate
the way that you're explaining it. Before I let
you go today, before we wrap up, I just wondered,
is there anything else that you feel like you
want to share with everybody? Wow, a lot. No,
that's okay. If I have two minutes, that is enough.
what I want to tell to everybody that is listening
to me. The first thing, I am not a perfect person
because of this experience. I'm committing mistakes,
I'm trying to be better every day, but I learned
from Jesus that I'm doing great. Sometimes some
voice came to our minds to judge us. and to tell
us that we are not able to do that, you are bad,
you are not so good, there's no way for you to
be better, you are in a situation that Jesus
will not hit you again, you are so low. This,
everything came from the hell. Send back to her,
okay? You are a son of God, and Jesus is your
Savior, my Savior, our Savior. He is the person
that most loves you, more than your mom and your
grandma too. He loves you. Independent, what
you are, what you have done, what your choice,
He loves you. Because of His love and because
of this, you can be better. Trust in yourself
because of Jesus. He is the one that can help
you to complete the part that you are not able
to complete. Trust him. He's your best friend.
Make him your best friend. He is someone that
is waiting for us. That's why I'm here. And I'm
so glad that he gave me this opportunity to be
back, to live this experience. He gave me the
opportunity to see the life in a different way.
Things that was very important for me was not
so important more. Do you know why? Because we
think and we consider and we give much value
to think that we'll stay here in this earth.
You will not take this with you. You only take
with you the relationship that you develop. the
help that you gave to someone, the service, the
love that you felt. So that is the thing that
you take with you when you live this earth and
this body. I don't think that you have to be
something that don't study, don't achieve your
goals, don't gain money. No, I'm not telling
you this. I'm just telling you that is not the
most important thing, okay? If you want to be
my friend, I will love to speak with you. Just
contact me. Facebook, Instagram, my channel.
I am here to answer some questions for you. Maybe
I can help you. I'm here for this. Last question.
On a scale of one to ten, how much fear of death
do you have? I'm waiting for this because it's
amazing. Well. Negative one or zero. Good answer,
good answer. Vania Valtriani, thank you so much
for being with me today. Thank you to help me
to have this opportunity to tell to people about
this. Thanks again for listening and sharing
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