WEBVTT 00:00:03.740 --> 00:00:06.719 From the time that they pronounced me dead was 00:00:06.719 --> 00:00:10.220 a good 45 minutes. They cut my clothes and then 00:00:10.220 --> 00:00:13.439 they paddled my heart, my heart had stopped and 00:00:13.439 --> 00:00:16.620 I could see people screaming and crying but I 00:00:16.620 --> 00:00:18.600 didn't realize that was actually my physical 00:00:18.600 --> 00:00:22.019 body because I was somewhere else. The only thing 00:00:22.019 --> 00:00:25.399 that I could feel if you could imagine absolute 00:00:25.399 --> 00:00:28.519 love and peace, there wasn't anything else to 00:00:28.519 --> 00:00:31.600 be felt. I was greeted by people I'd known in 00:00:31.600 --> 00:00:35.079 the past. I'm back home again. Incredibly safe 00:00:35.079 --> 00:00:40.179 and felt at home. Welcome, welcome to Round Trip 00:00:40.179 --> 00:00:43.000 Death, everybody. And a special welcome to our 00:00:43.000 --> 00:00:45.880 guest, Kimberly Kennedy, who is in Las Vegas, 00:00:45.880 --> 00:00:49.320 Nevada. What's it like in Nevada today? Oh, my 00:00:49.320 --> 00:00:52.780 goodness. The weather is so pretty. It's very 00:00:52.780 --> 00:00:55.479 nice out today. It's not too hot. Still a little 00:00:55.479 --> 00:00:59.359 chilly, but it's beautiful. Now, for people that 00:00:59.359 --> 00:01:02.780 have not spent much time in Las Vegas, they probably 00:01:02.780 --> 00:01:05.579 think all there is is the Las Vegas strip and 00:01:05.579 --> 00:01:07.420 all the neon lights and all that kind of stuff. 00:01:07.659 --> 00:01:10.379 But there's actually over a million regular people 00:01:10.379 --> 00:01:13.299 that actually live in that valley. Would you 00:01:13.299 --> 00:01:16.459 say you fall into that category? Yes, absolutely. 00:01:16.780 --> 00:01:20.840 Las Vegas is my home and I love it here. I've 00:01:20.840 --> 00:01:23.719 spent a lot of time there on business and have 00:01:23.719 --> 00:01:28.530 friends there and they love it. I get it. I don't 00:01:28.530 --> 00:01:30.730 get the love on the hundred and fifteen degree 00:01:30.730 --> 00:01:35.430 days in the summer, but I love it. I love it. 00:01:35.489 --> 00:01:38.049 Good. Well, we're going to jump right into this. 00:01:38.450 --> 00:01:40.750 You had a really special experience that we're 00:01:40.750 --> 00:01:44.049 going to hear about. And before we do, I'm going 00:01:44.049 --> 00:01:46.430 to give you just one minute to tell us a little 00:01:46.430 --> 00:01:49.030 bit about Kimberly. What do you do in Vegas? 00:01:49.290 --> 00:01:51.790 Like I said, I've lived in Las Vegas my entire 00:01:51.790 --> 00:01:56.189 life. Most recently, my latest and greatest on 00:01:56.189 --> 00:02:00.489 me is I just got married. And so not only am 00:02:00.489 --> 00:02:04.629 I a brand new wife, but I also have got four 00:02:04.629 --> 00:02:07.349 stepchildren now. And so I'm an instant mom, 00:02:07.349 --> 00:02:10.669 and it's the best. I love it. That is so fun. 00:02:11.210 --> 00:02:14.250 Congratulations on both being a newlywed and 00:02:14.250 --> 00:02:18.110 a newly mother. I love it. Yes, it brings me 00:02:18.110 --> 00:02:22.490 true joy. Great. Let's talk about your physical 00:02:22.490 --> 00:02:26.009 health as you were growing up because it has 00:02:26.009 --> 00:02:28.150 something to do with the experience that you 00:02:28.150 --> 00:02:31.150 had about 20 years ago when it all came to a 00:02:31.150 --> 00:02:35.930 culmination. You had an undiagnosed issue from 00:02:35.930 --> 00:02:39.469 childhood that got worse as you got older. Give 00:02:39.469 --> 00:02:41.650 us some background. Tell us what it was like. 00:02:41.949 --> 00:02:46.370 So I was born with a genetic heart defect that 00:02:46.370 --> 00:02:51.780 causes when My heart beats instead of the electrical 00:02:51.780 --> 00:02:56.300 pulse going out to the rest of my body, like 00:02:56.300 --> 00:03:00.099 my arms and my legs, my brain, like everybody's 00:03:00.099 --> 00:03:02.439 does, so normally and naturally, like we don't 00:03:02.439 --> 00:03:06.240 even think about it. It comes so naturally, but... 00:03:06.090 --> 00:03:09.289 When I was born, I was born this way, I was born 00:03:09.289 --> 00:03:12.909 with a genetic heart defect that causes, it's 00:03:12.909 --> 00:03:16.349 got an electrical pathway, an extra one, that 00:03:16.349 --> 00:03:19.629 causes when my heart beats instead of going out 00:03:19.629 --> 00:03:23.189 like it should, it just goes around and around 00:03:23.189 --> 00:03:26.050 and around and around in a circle, and it causes 00:03:26.050 --> 00:03:31.930 me to go into AFib or VTAC. the superventricular 00:03:31.930 --> 00:03:35.389 tachycardia was the official term and diagnosis 00:03:35.389 --> 00:03:38.509 that I was given. Now, relate that in regular 00:03:38.509 --> 00:03:41.069 words. What does that mean for the rest of us? 00:03:41.250 --> 00:03:44.830 Fast heartbeat? Yeah, super, super quick. So 00:03:44.830 --> 00:03:49.030 that day it ended up getting to 240 beats per 00:03:49.030 --> 00:03:52.590 minute. And up until that time, like I said, 00:03:52.629 --> 00:03:56.509 I was 25 years old when this happened. So it's 00:03:56.509 --> 00:04:01.259 been exactly 20 years growing up. never had a 00:04:01.259 --> 00:04:04.259 whole lot of indication. I did on occasion, like 00:04:04.259 --> 00:04:07.699 I said, with the genetic being born with it, 00:04:07.740 --> 00:04:10.780 it was something that when I was put into extreme 00:04:10.780 --> 00:04:13.379 situations physically, on occasion, it would 00:04:13.379 --> 00:04:16.899 manifest in like an extra little heartbeat, but 00:04:16.899 --> 00:04:19.420 nothing like it was that day. And I was very, 00:04:19.420 --> 00:04:22.660 very active. I was busy, busy, busy. So it really 00:04:22.660 --> 00:04:25.839 came out of nowhere. That must have been so scary. 00:04:26.500 --> 00:04:30.879 Yes. It was unexpected. Where were you and what 00:04:30.879 --> 00:04:34.980 did you do? So this is really wild really crazy 00:04:34.980 --> 00:04:39.600 I actually was working at the high school where 00:04:39.600 --> 00:04:43.079 I went to high school at so my alma mater I was 00:04:43.079 --> 00:04:45.420 working there later. What happened that day? 00:04:45.420 --> 00:04:49.889 I had gotten up to go to work And it was like 00:04:49.889 --> 00:04:52.129 any regular day, except I was running a little 00:04:52.129 --> 00:04:55.870 late. I had wanted to shower but hadn't had the 00:04:55.870 --> 00:04:58.250 chance for one. So I ran out the door really 00:04:58.250 --> 00:05:01.529 quick wanting a shower. But I was able to get 00:05:01.529 --> 00:05:04.519 to work on time. made it through the day, and 00:05:04.519 --> 00:05:06.720 then I was getting ready to go home. Everybody 00:05:06.720 --> 00:05:08.699 else had gone home for the day. I was sort of 00:05:08.699 --> 00:05:11.199 last to leave. There were a couple other people 00:05:11.199 --> 00:05:14.259 there, but for the most part, it was just me. 00:05:14.319 --> 00:05:17.259 I was walking out to my car, and as I was walking 00:05:17.259 --> 00:05:20.500 out, I started to feel a little sick. I wasn't 00:05:20.500 --> 00:05:23.060 sure exactly what was going on, but I'm like, 00:05:23.060 --> 00:05:25.259 well, maybe I just need to get home and get a 00:05:25.259 --> 00:05:30.699 little rest. As I got to my car, I realized that 00:05:30.699 --> 00:05:34.910 I felt sick, but I also felt like my heart was 00:05:34.910 --> 00:05:38.350 racing, which was strange because I wasn't running. 00:05:38.509 --> 00:05:41.449 I wasn't doing anything physically strenuous. 00:05:41.930 --> 00:05:43.970 But I know what it feels like. When I go to the 00:05:43.970 --> 00:05:45.930 gym, I get my heart rate up and everybody knows 00:05:45.930 --> 00:05:49.189 what that feels like. But here I was, I was just 00:05:49.189 --> 00:05:52.610 walking and hadn't been doing anything strenuous. 00:05:52.750 --> 00:05:56.149 And I had this feeling of like my heart was just 00:05:56.149 --> 00:05:59.569 racing and running. So I reached out and tried 00:05:59.569 --> 00:06:02.470 to find my pulse and I couldn't. And I said, 00:06:02.550 --> 00:06:05.209 well, maybe if I can just drive myself to the 00:06:05.209 --> 00:06:08.189 hospital, I'll be okay. By the time I got into 00:06:08.189 --> 00:06:10.670 the car, I realized I was in trouble, that there 00:06:10.670 --> 00:06:12.610 was something going on, something was wrong. 00:06:12.810 --> 00:06:15.009 I remember thinking to myself, if I can find 00:06:15.009 --> 00:06:20.949 somebody to call 911, I might be okay. Like I 00:06:20.949 --> 00:06:23.889 had no clue what was going on. So what happened? 00:06:24.029 --> 00:06:28.529 Were you able to call 911? I didn't have access 00:06:28.529 --> 00:06:30.689 to a phone, so I actually ended up having to 00:06:30.689 --> 00:06:34.089 walk a mile back to the main building before 00:06:34.089 --> 00:06:37.629 I found help and before I was able to find a 00:06:37.629 --> 00:06:40.129 co -worker, a couple co -workers who were able 00:06:40.129 --> 00:06:42.750 to call paramedics. The paramedics were really 00:06:42.750 --> 00:06:45.970 confused because I was only 25 years old. I wasn't 00:06:45.970 --> 00:06:50.610 very old and I had never had. symptoms had never 00:06:50.610 --> 00:06:54.170 been diagnosed, but here I was with this heart 00:06:54.170 --> 00:06:57.069 rate, they said, you know, was getting higher 00:06:57.069 --> 00:07:00.430 and skyrocketing. So the paramedics got there. 00:07:00.470 --> 00:07:02.889 It was kind of a really interesting and funny 00:07:02.889 --> 00:07:06.689 interaction. The paramedics got there and I really 00:07:06.689 --> 00:07:08.529 didn't want to go with them. I was just hoping 00:07:08.529 --> 00:07:11.250 that like they would get there and snap their 00:07:11.250 --> 00:07:13.050 fingers. I don't know what I thought they were 00:07:13.050 --> 00:07:16.250 going to do. But I said, I really don't want 00:07:16.250 --> 00:07:19.139 to go. And the one paramedic, I remember he looked 00:07:19.139 --> 00:07:22.759 at me and he said, OK, honey, he says, we can 00:07:22.759 --> 00:07:26.379 get you ready to go. Like we can get you in the 00:07:26.379 --> 00:07:28.300 ambulance, get you ready to go to the hospital 00:07:28.300 --> 00:07:30.939 and take you that way. Or we can wait till your 00:07:30.939 --> 00:07:34.180 blood pressure gets so high that you pass out 00:07:34.180 --> 00:07:36.899 and then we'll take you. Like it was that bad. 00:07:36.980 --> 00:07:40.600 Those were my choices. Great options. Thank you. 00:07:41.240 --> 00:07:43.959 Yeah, thanks. Great options, great choices. And 00:07:43.959 --> 00:07:46.620 I remember thinking at the time, this is not 00:07:46.620 --> 00:07:48.819 fair. Like, this is not right. I want to call 00:07:48.819 --> 00:07:51.600 my husband, you know, at the time who I was married 00:07:51.600 --> 00:07:53.779 to. And it just didn't make sense to me. I was 00:07:53.779 --> 00:07:56.699 25 years old. I was healthy. I said, OK, you 00:07:56.699 --> 00:08:00.079 know, at that time, I made the choice. And I 00:08:00.079 --> 00:08:02.579 look back now on the experience and I realize 00:08:02.579 --> 00:08:04.639 I had a choice at that experience, you know, 00:08:04.639 --> 00:08:07.100 at that moment. Like, I could have stayed there 00:08:07.100 --> 00:08:08.920 and I could have passed out and I could have 00:08:08.920 --> 00:08:11.490 let them do what they did to me. after I was 00:08:11.490 --> 00:08:15.750 passed out. But I think making the choice beforehand 00:08:15.750 --> 00:08:19.410 to take the next right step, which was a scary 00:08:19.410 --> 00:08:23.089 step, but to let somebody who had the experience, 00:08:23.430 --> 00:08:26.670 who knew more what was going on to my own body, 00:08:26.829 --> 00:08:30.910 and I did, to let them kind of step in and do 00:08:30.910 --> 00:08:33.590 what they needed to do and take control and help 00:08:33.590 --> 00:08:36.570 me, and I needed help. Wow, pretty terrifying. 00:08:37.899 --> 00:08:41.700 Did the NDE happen right then or was there more 00:08:41.700 --> 00:08:45.059 before you got into that? It was pretty quick 00:08:45.059 --> 00:08:48.279 after that. Go ahead, tell me what happened next. 00:08:48.720 --> 00:08:52.580 They got me into the ambulance and my heart rate 00:08:52.580 --> 00:08:55.620 was going so fast and it wasn't sending that 00:08:55.620 --> 00:08:58.799 electrical beat out and so my body and trying 00:08:58.799 --> 00:09:02.460 to preserve itself was taking all of the blood 00:09:02.460 --> 00:09:05.850 from my limbs and bringing it to the most essential 00:09:05.850 --> 00:09:08.690 part of your bodies, your organs, make sure that 00:09:08.690 --> 00:09:10.549 they're okay, they're healthy, they're not dying. 00:09:10.730 --> 00:09:12.990 And so because of that, they were having a really, 00:09:12.990 --> 00:09:16.250 really hard time finding an IV for me, really, 00:09:16.250 --> 00:09:18.950 really struggling. But they finally got one in. 00:09:19.129 --> 00:09:22.269 The paramedic looked at me and he says, we're 00:09:22.269 --> 00:09:25.590 gonna give you a shot. And he says, it's thick. 00:09:26.370 --> 00:09:29.990 So I have to push it fast. Like I have to push 00:09:29.990 --> 00:09:33.590 it really quick. He says, and it's gonna hurt. 00:09:35.580 --> 00:09:39.000 I remember like this was literally, I didn't 00:09:39.000 --> 00:09:42.100 really even have a chance to say no. I didn't 00:09:42.100 --> 00:09:44.620 have a choice. This was not really something 00:09:44.620 --> 00:09:47.700 I was able to say no to. I just remember thinking, 00:09:47.700 --> 00:09:50.860 I don't want you to do this. He says, I'm going 00:09:50.860 --> 00:09:53.240 to count to three. That's what he did. He counted 00:09:53.240 --> 00:09:58.100 to three and he said one, two, three, and he 00:09:58.100 --> 00:10:02.169 pushed that shot. It was intense. It was like 00:10:02.169 --> 00:10:05.169 lightning, like I had been kicked in the chest 00:10:05.169 --> 00:10:11.110 by a horse. And it was wild. But when he pushed 00:10:11.110 --> 00:10:14.629 the shot, everything went black. I lost consciousness. 00:10:15.289 --> 00:10:19.509 My spirit flew from my body. I mean, it was this 00:10:19.509 --> 00:10:23.590 exhilaration. When I've tried to write this experience 00:10:23.590 --> 00:10:27.409 and what happened to me out later on, I think 00:10:27.409 --> 00:10:30.690 the first time I wrote it out, I wrote we, like 00:10:30.690 --> 00:10:34.029 W -H -E -E -E, we. It was just this freeing, 00:10:34.230 --> 00:10:37.409 very liberating, but it was beautiful, just exhilarating, 00:10:37.490 --> 00:10:40.610 I think is the word. I love that. So it wasn't 00:10:40.610 --> 00:10:45.950 a horrible, strenuous, you know, death, rip you 00:10:45.950 --> 00:10:49.049 out of your body kind of thing. It was a celebration 00:10:49.049 --> 00:10:54.460 and a We, as you put it, we... I love it. Tell 00:10:54.460 --> 00:10:58.100 us what you experienced. Anything you can remember, 00:10:58.620 --> 00:11:01.700 you saw, you heard, you felt. Give us all the 00:11:01.700 --> 00:11:05.139 detail. I remember this feeling of exhilaration, 00:11:05.340 --> 00:11:09.539 just flying through the darkness. And for a while, 00:11:09.679 --> 00:11:12.519 like it was cool, it was freeing, it was fun. 00:11:13.000 --> 00:11:16.740 And then... I realized somewhere deep inside 00:11:16.740 --> 00:11:21.740 of me that the situation, it was dark, it was 00:11:21.740 --> 00:11:25.299 pitch black. Not only that, but I was alone. 00:11:25.620 --> 00:11:31.879 All of a sudden, I was afraid and honestly full 00:11:31.879 --> 00:11:36.220 of regret. Was this it? Was that life? Was that 00:11:36.220 --> 00:11:42.289 it? I remember. It took me a little while to 00:11:42.289 --> 00:11:46.610 reflect back on this. I see now, it's kind of 00:11:46.610 --> 00:11:48.990 funny. When I was growing up, my mom had this 00:11:48.990 --> 00:11:53.090 picture and I looked at his name. His name was 00:11:53.090 --> 00:11:56.710 John Scott. He had this picture and it's called 00:11:56.710 --> 00:11:59.490 The Last Judgment. And when I was a little girl, 00:11:59.669 --> 00:12:01.629 I remember looking at that picture and I remember 00:12:01.629 --> 00:12:03.990 looking at all the faces and trying to find my 00:12:03.990 --> 00:12:07.679 face. in that picture. And in this picture, there's 00:12:07.679 --> 00:12:09.740 a picture of Christ in the center, and then you've 00:12:09.740 --> 00:12:11.600 got angels, and then you've got kind of this 00:12:11.600 --> 00:12:14.600 little darker area. It was kind of hard when 00:12:14.600 --> 00:12:18.059 I realized that this is something I experienced. 00:12:18.379 --> 00:12:22.059 It was a little hard to reconcile with my conscious 00:12:22.059 --> 00:12:27.059 mind that I felt like I was in a type and sort 00:12:27.059 --> 00:12:31.220 of prison. I know that sounds a little scary. 00:12:31.759 --> 00:12:36.679 It wasn't though like the hell and brimstone 00:12:36.679 --> 00:12:41.559 type of prison or hell afterlife type sort of 00:12:41.559 --> 00:12:44.399 situation that I had ever heard about. This place 00:12:44.399 --> 00:12:48.360 where I was, it was dark and there were mists 00:12:48.360 --> 00:12:51.580 of darkness everywhere. And I remember that there 00:12:51.580 --> 00:12:53.860 was a light and it was coming from somewhere, 00:12:53.860 --> 00:12:57.340 but I didn't know where. And I remember at that 00:12:57.340 --> 00:13:00.320 moment, it was almost like I could see myself. 00:13:00.519 --> 00:13:03.419 And I remember I was sitting somewhere with my 00:13:03.639 --> 00:13:07.820 my hands in my head and I remember just the feelings 00:13:07.820 --> 00:13:12.919 I had were that of regret and that of loss and 00:13:12.919 --> 00:13:16.200 that of a lack of progression, like a loss of 00:13:16.200 --> 00:13:19.840 this lack of progression. It was profound and 00:13:19.840 --> 00:13:24.679 it was deep, deeper than anything I can ever 00:13:24.679 --> 00:13:28.220 remember feeling. I just remember going over 00:13:28.220 --> 00:13:31.519 some of my life's experiences at the time. I 00:13:31.519 --> 00:13:34.500 had struggled with an eating disorder. I'm in 00:13:34.500 --> 00:13:38.120 recovery from that. My husband and I, we were 00:13:38.120 --> 00:13:41.120 not able to have children. That was hard for 00:13:41.120 --> 00:13:44.360 me. One of the harder things that I was dealing 00:13:44.360 --> 00:13:49.740 with at the time. Also, I was dying. My body 00:13:49.740 --> 00:13:55.139 was dying. I was mourning the fact of my own 00:13:55.139 --> 00:13:58.820 death. I was mourning. the fact that I was dying. 00:13:59.200 --> 00:14:01.919 And I remember at that moment, it was so sweet, 00:14:02.039 --> 00:14:04.200 so tender and a little hard to talk about, and 00:14:04.200 --> 00:14:06.759 this might be a little too sacred. But I hope 00:14:06.759 --> 00:14:10.600 that in sharing this that I'm able to share some 00:14:10.600 --> 00:14:14.039 hope. I really feel I had an opportunity to see 00:14:14.039 --> 00:14:16.600 the Savior, to meet the Savior, Jesus Christ. 00:14:17.320 --> 00:14:20.919 I think that, you know, I feel like I had the 00:14:20.919 --> 00:14:24.700 opportunity as I'm mourning. I remember feeling 00:14:24.700 --> 00:14:29.070 a presence. And I remember just, you know, I 00:14:29.070 --> 00:14:32.889 don't know, it's that feeling when someone enters 00:14:32.889 --> 00:14:35.009 the room and you've got your eyes closed, but 00:14:35.009 --> 00:14:36.870 you kind of sort of know that they're still there. 00:14:37.389 --> 00:14:39.789 That's kind of what it felt like. I felt like 00:14:39.789 --> 00:14:42.889 he was watching me. He came over to me and I 00:14:42.889 --> 00:14:45.830 felt he knelt in front of me and he just listened. 00:14:46.649 --> 00:14:51.649 And I bore my soul. I cried and I sobbed and 00:14:51.649 --> 00:14:56.500 I regretted. And I remember hearing him speak 00:14:56.500 --> 00:14:59.559 just two words. I'll never forget him for the 00:14:59.559 --> 00:15:06.240 rest of my life. He said, I know. I know. And 00:15:06.240 --> 00:15:09.440 it was at that moment that my spirit was filled 00:15:09.440 --> 00:15:14.700 with such love that I was in good company and 00:15:14.700 --> 00:15:19.639 that I was not alone and that there was hope. 00:15:20.440 --> 00:15:23.330 There was hope. It's funny. I'll bring this up 00:15:23.330 --> 00:15:25.950 now because I feel like I need to. I really truly 00:15:25.950 --> 00:15:27.929 believe that the only reason why I was able to 00:15:27.929 --> 00:15:31.049 come back is because I did meet with the Savior. 00:15:31.669 --> 00:15:34.870 I think that, you know, in all of the stories 00:15:34.870 --> 00:15:36.970 that I've ever heard and that I know, He's the 00:15:36.970 --> 00:15:41.009 only one who came back, right? So He would know 00:15:41.009 --> 00:15:44.320 how to help me come back. I think that's what 00:15:44.320 --> 00:15:46.360 happened. I think that's one of the things that 00:15:46.360 --> 00:15:50.399 happened. That and there's opposition to all 00:15:50.399 --> 00:15:53.840 things. And in this process, I think that the 00:15:53.840 --> 00:15:56.820 adversary was there. And I think he was absolutely 00:15:56.820 --> 00:15:59.980 trying to convince me that I didn't need to live, 00:16:00.159 --> 00:16:04.179 that nobody needed me. I was not necessarily 00:16:04.179 --> 00:16:07.340 important, but the Spirit confirmed to me that 00:16:07.340 --> 00:16:10.220 my life was very, very valuable. My experience 00:16:10.220 --> 00:16:14.350 was valuable. and that I do matter to others, 00:16:14.350 --> 00:16:18.230 and that I do make a difference. Going back to 00:16:18.230 --> 00:16:21.269 that place, that prison, and that experience 00:16:21.269 --> 00:16:24.529 with the Savior, after I had borne my soul to 00:16:24.529 --> 00:16:27.429 Him, I felt like He gave me these two words, 00:16:27.590 --> 00:16:30.269 I know. And then we talked a little more, like 00:16:30.269 --> 00:16:33.529 I shared with Him some of my regrets, some of 00:16:33.529 --> 00:16:36.190 my sins, some of the things that I had done wrong, 00:16:36.450 --> 00:16:42.659 and that I maybe needed His help with. to restore 00:16:42.659 --> 00:16:45.460 me, to heal me from. You know, he would explain 00:16:45.460 --> 00:16:49.399 to me how he would help me with those things, 00:16:49.799 --> 00:16:53.639 but it always came down to, you know, I would 00:16:53.639 --> 00:16:56.639 always say, but, but it was type, this type of, 00:16:56.759 --> 00:16:59.139 but I've got this, but I've got this, but I've 00:16:59.139 --> 00:17:01.399 got this. And he would like, he would explain 00:17:01.399 --> 00:17:03.600 what needed to be explained to me, but he would 00:17:03.600 --> 00:17:06.220 always kind of sort of end out with, I know, 00:17:06.579 --> 00:17:10.630 like I know. I get it. I know. When I got to 00:17:10.630 --> 00:17:13.049 the point where I was like, okay, this is okay. 00:17:13.269 --> 00:17:16.150 Like, I'm going to be okay. I was still dying. 00:17:16.309 --> 00:17:19.829 And so I had to move through this process. But 00:17:19.829 --> 00:17:22.869 the next place that I went, this is the part 00:17:22.869 --> 00:17:25.950 for me I've had a hard time reflecting back on. 00:17:26.109 --> 00:17:29.150 But I hope after sharing my experience here, 00:17:29.329 --> 00:17:32.029 after listening to some of the experiences on 00:17:32.029 --> 00:17:34.670 your podcast and on your YouTube videos, I'm 00:17:34.670 --> 00:17:37.490 going to be brave. I'm going to be brave and 00:17:37.490 --> 00:17:39.369 I'm going to go back and I'm going to reflect 00:17:39.369 --> 00:17:44.349 on this part. I know that I was brought to a 00:17:44.349 --> 00:17:47.329 beautiful place beyond description, full of love, 00:17:48.029 --> 00:17:51.930 where I believe I met up with my sister. My sister 00:17:51.930 --> 00:17:54.390 accidentally drowned in our family swimming pool 00:17:54.390 --> 00:17:57.349 when she was three. I was only three months old 00:17:57.349 --> 00:18:01.250 when she passed away, but I always felt the spiritual 00:18:01.250 --> 00:18:04.049 connection. My mom always said, you know, that 00:18:04.049 --> 00:18:06.250 my sister was always looking out for me. My sister 00:18:06.250 --> 00:18:08.609 was always kind of our guardian angel watching 00:18:08.609 --> 00:18:12.029 out for our family. And I always felt that. And 00:18:12.029 --> 00:18:14.210 so I feel I had the opportunity to meet her. 00:18:14.269 --> 00:18:17.049 I feel like I had an opportunity to meet my grandma, 00:18:17.289 --> 00:18:21.150 Lynn, who was my great -grandmother. She was 00:18:21.150 --> 00:18:25.529 blind. She raised six kids. She was a widow during 00:18:25.529 --> 00:18:28.829 the Depression. I mean, she was really a great 00:18:28.829 --> 00:18:31.900 woman. And so I feel like I had the opportunity 00:18:31.900 --> 00:18:36.240 to rub elbows with her for a second. And I really 00:18:36.240 --> 00:18:38.799 feel like, you know, that was a special experience 00:18:38.799 --> 00:18:41.880 and opportunity. As great as it was and as lovely 00:18:41.880 --> 00:18:44.539 as it was, my body again, my body was still dying. 00:18:45.279 --> 00:18:49.240 I had to make this decision, this choice to stay 00:18:49.240 --> 00:18:53.259 or to go. It was kind of sort of around this 00:18:53.259 --> 00:18:56.599 time. It all happened really, really quick when 00:18:56.599 --> 00:19:00.509 he push that shot, my spirit just flew out and 00:19:00.509 --> 00:19:03.630 it was we, it was exhilaration. But coming back, 00:19:03.630 --> 00:19:06.549 it was kind of quick too. Once I figured out, 00:19:07.049 --> 00:19:11.009 okay, so when he gave me the shot, it dropped 00:19:11.009 --> 00:19:13.950 my heart rate. So it had dropped my heart rate 00:19:13.950 --> 00:19:17.349 over 100 beats per minute in less than a second. 00:19:17.529 --> 00:19:21.269 And it had knocked the wind out of me. And so 00:19:21.269 --> 00:19:25.730 I needed to in order to breathe in order to come 00:19:25.730 --> 00:19:30.079 back again. I had to breathe again. This is the 00:19:30.079 --> 00:19:32.339 part that I'm like, I'm sure the savior was there 00:19:32.339 --> 00:19:35.680 to help me kind of transition through this and 00:19:35.680 --> 00:19:38.440 help me kind of sort of figure out what I needed 00:19:38.440 --> 00:19:42.400 to do. I knew I needed CPR. You know, when my 00:19:42.400 --> 00:19:46.319 sister passed away, when she drowned, my parents 00:19:46.319 --> 00:19:48.940 made sure that's one of the things we were taught. 00:19:49.039 --> 00:19:52.960 We knew. We knew how to do CPR properly so that 00:19:52.960 --> 00:19:55.359 if ever we were in that situation, we'd be able 00:19:55.359 --> 00:19:58.710 to. to handle it better than she felt that, you 00:19:58.710 --> 00:20:02.230 know, she had not been able to help save her 00:20:02.230 --> 00:20:04.529 daughter. So I knew I had to breathe. I knew 00:20:04.529 --> 00:20:06.930 I had to get my heart to beat again. And I knew 00:20:06.930 --> 00:20:09.109 I needed the circulation, but I couldn't do that 00:20:09.109 --> 00:20:10.769 without breathing. And I couldn't do that without 00:20:10.769 --> 00:20:13.089 a heartbeat. I remember when everything went 00:20:13.089 --> 00:20:15.710 black. I remember eventually, I remember I heard 00:20:15.710 --> 00:20:17.890 a beep. When you're at the hospital, you hear 00:20:17.890 --> 00:20:20.210 the beep or like the register at the scanner 00:20:20.210 --> 00:20:23.730 at the grocery store, that beep. It was kind 00:20:23.730 --> 00:20:26.039 of like that. I realized it was their machine 00:20:26.039 --> 00:20:29.299 going off. I remember hearing a voice that said, 00:20:30.180 --> 00:20:32.859 we're losing her. And then I remember thinking 00:20:32.859 --> 00:20:37.200 to myself, are they talking about me? Like, they're 00:20:37.200 --> 00:20:40.420 losing me. I was laughing so hard because I'm 00:20:40.420 --> 00:20:44.240 like, oh, guys, you haven't lost me. I'm gone. 00:20:44.440 --> 00:20:47.599 I am not even here. How can you say you're losing 00:20:47.599 --> 00:20:49.960 me? Like, I'm not even here. I'm gone. Then I 00:20:49.960 --> 00:20:53.680 remember hearing a voice that said, Kimberly. 00:20:54.119 --> 00:20:58.880 stay with us. And I knew in order to do that, 00:20:58.880 --> 00:21:01.980 I had to breathe again if I was going to stay 00:21:01.980 --> 00:21:06.740 alive. So I took that first breath of air by 00:21:06.740 --> 00:21:09.339 the, you know, miracle. It was a miracle. The 00:21:09.339 --> 00:21:12.779 way I describe it and can describe it is I remember 00:21:12.779 --> 00:21:14.980 the first time I was swinging on my family swing 00:21:14.980 --> 00:21:17.579 set and I fell off backwards and I knocked the 00:21:17.579 --> 00:21:20.519 wind out of myself. And taking that first breath 00:21:20.519 --> 00:21:24.230 of air kind of felt a little like that. Okay, 00:21:24.930 --> 00:21:28.170 I've got 30 ,000 questions to throw at you. This 00:21:28.170 --> 00:21:31.470 is amazing. Thank you again for sharing. And 00:21:31.470 --> 00:21:34.650 in case I didn't mention it earlier, you are 00:21:34.650 --> 00:21:36.910 sharing for the first time in a public forum 00:21:36.910 --> 00:21:39.910 like this. I appreciate your bravery and your 00:21:39.910 --> 00:21:43.849 trusting us to put it out there. And so if anything 00:21:43.849 --> 00:21:46.549 that I ask feels uncomfortable to you, please, 00:21:46.569 --> 00:21:50.210 you don't need to answer. But let's start with 00:21:50.210 --> 00:21:53.309 whose voice do you think that was? that said, 00:21:53.309 --> 00:21:55.630 Kimberly, stay with us. Was that the paramedics 00:21:55.630 --> 00:21:59.049 or somebody else? My first thought was it was 00:21:59.049 --> 00:22:02.890 probably heaven. It was probably heaven, a little 00:22:02.890 --> 00:22:05.250 piece of heaven. I think it was probably the 00:22:05.250 --> 00:22:07.769 paramedic, too. It was really strange, though, 00:22:08.029 --> 00:22:10.670 because at the time, it sounds kind of funny 00:22:10.670 --> 00:22:15.599 now, I actually, most people called me Kim. I've 00:22:15.599 --> 00:22:17.900 tried to go back and I've tried to remember like 00:22:17.900 --> 00:22:20.019 when the paramedics, that's one of the questions 00:22:20.019 --> 00:22:22.240 they usually first ask you when they get on the 00:22:22.240 --> 00:22:24.779 scene, what's your name? And at the time I was 00:22:24.779 --> 00:22:28.579 going by Kim. And so it was really, really strange 00:22:28.579 --> 00:22:31.480 to hear Kimberley. And that's one of the reasons 00:22:31.480 --> 00:22:34.039 why I kind of think it was, I think it was heaven. 00:22:34.759 --> 00:22:37.980 Tell me how literal some of this was. Was it 00:22:37.980 --> 00:22:40.619 more, I don't know, kind of... kind of something 00:22:40.619 --> 00:22:44.220 that you felt or that you actually saw and experienced 00:22:44.220 --> 00:22:48.160 deeply with? You mentioned meeting your sister 00:22:48.160 --> 00:22:52.480 and your great grandmother. It is as real as 00:22:52.480 --> 00:22:54.839 the conversation that we're having right now, 00:22:55.279 --> 00:22:59.779 Eric. Oh, so it was virtual. I get it. I'm kidding. 00:23:00.880 --> 00:23:04.299 Well, to be honest with you, I've actually had 00:23:04.299 --> 00:23:06.519 kind of sort of that type of sort of thought. 00:23:06.680 --> 00:23:10.789 So when COVID happened, One of the things that 00:23:10.789 --> 00:23:14.089 was the hardest for me is not touching people. 00:23:14.809 --> 00:23:17.890 And I really feel like in the pre -existence 00:23:17.890 --> 00:23:20.109 before I ended up with my body, that's probably 00:23:20.109 --> 00:23:23.029 one of the things I wanted to do most was put 00:23:23.029 --> 00:23:25.690 my arms around somebody and experience what a 00:23:25.690 --> 00:23:30.549 touch felt like. For me, it was kind of eye -opening 00:23:30.549 --> 00:23:34.750 that we would ever be put into a situation again. 00:23:35.079 --> 00:23:36.940 where we wouldn't be able to touch each other. 00:23:37.019 --> 00:23:40.460 I think it's awful, right? It's been rough. Virtual 00:23:40.460 --> 00:23:43.579 is great because you can't always get in person, 00:23:43.900 --> 00:23:46.000 but technology, yeah, it's great when it works, 00:23:46.039 --> 00:23:49.720 but when it doesn't, it's a hassle. Next time 00:23:49.720 --> 00:23:52.119 I'm in Vegas, I'm dropping by for a hug for a 00:23:52.119 --> 00:23:55.039 second, and then I'll be gone. Tell me a little 00:23:55.039 --> 00:23:58.710 bit if you... can, a little bit more about the 00:23:58.710 --> 00:24:01.450 meeting with Jesus. Was that something also where 00:24:01.450 --> 00:24:04.630 you felt like you saw Him face to face or just 00:24:04.630 --> 00:24:08.329 felt His presence there? It was Him. I think 00:24:08.329 --> 00:24:13.529 He was probably the only one who could make me 00:24:13.529 --> 00:24:18.190 feel the way I felt. Okay, so I think it's different 00:24:18.190 --> 00:24:22.160 because I didn't have my physical eyes on me 00:24:22.160 --> 00:24:24.980 at the time, right? So how could I really see 00:24:24.980 --> 00:24:28.740 him physically without those physical eyes? It 00:24:28.740 --> 00:24:34.240 was as real, like I feel like I saw him as real 00:24:34.240 --> 00:24:37.480 as seeing you on screen today. So it was a little 00:24:37.480 --> 00:24:40.539 different because I didn't have my physical eyes. 00:24:40.740 --> 00:24:43.799 So I can't really, I don't feel comfortable saying 00:24:43.799 --> 00:24:50.890 that I saw him, but I saw him. I saw America. 00:24:51.210 --> 00:24:54.190 I saw him. You experienced him, definitely. What 00:24:54.190 --> 00:24:58.069 do you make of the darkness and the mist and 00:24:58.069 --> 00:25:00.789 the regret and stuff that you felt at first? 00:25:00.849 --> 00:25:03.309 Why do you think that happened? It's interesting 00:25:03.309 --> 00:25:07.710 because I actually, and I've, like I said, I 00:25:07.710 --> 00:25:11.069 never shared really on a public platform before. 00:25:11.250 --> 00:25:14.029 And it might sound a little funny and it sounds 00:25:14.029 --> 00:25:17.150 really weird saying it. I was comfortable there. 00:25:17.309 --> 00:25:20.529 Eric. I was comfortable there. I was comfortable 00:25:20.529 --> 00:25:23.730 in prison, which is weird for me to say because 00:25:23.730 --> 00:25:26.029 I've never been in prison. It's not something 00:25:26.029 --> 00:25:32.430 I've ever wanted to do. But in this place, I 00:25:32.430 --> 00:25:35.349 felt comfortable. And looking back and talking 00:25:35.349 --> 00:25:38.910 with you now, I think maybe in part it has to 00:25:38.910 --> 00:25:43.750 do with we need a place where we can lay it all 00:25:43.750 --> 00:25:48.049 down. We need a place where we can let it go, 00:25:48.390 --> 00:25:55.250 where individually we can let it go. And when 00:25:55.250 --> 00:26:00.109 we are able to then let it go and move on and 00:26:00.109 --> 00:26:04.029 move forward and progress, our world opens up. 00:26:04.190 --> 00:26:09.349 It becomes beautiful and hope and possibilities 00:26:09.349 --> 00:26:13.769 open up. Ask the question again, Eric. No, I 00:26:13.769 --> 00:26:17.769 was asking about the darkness and the mist and 00:26:17.769 --> 00:26:20.490 just why do you think you were in that kind of 00:26:20.490 --> 00:26:24.589 a place that felt scary versus feeling that all 00:26:24.589 --> 00:26:27.769 -encompassing love that came later? I was watching 00:26:27.769 --> 00:26:30.950 one of your other YouTube and you asked a good 00:26:30.950 --> 00:26:33.210 question, and I think this relates. I think this 00:26:33.210 --> 00:26:36.910 will tie in. You asked, are you afraid of death? 00:26:37.650 --> 00:26:40.150 And I've got to be honest, if I were to answer 00:26:40.150 --> 00:26:43.359 that question, I would say I used to be afraid 00:26:43.359 --> 00:26:47.180 of death before this experience. Right now, what 00:26:47.180 --> 00:26:50.059 I'm afraid of is regrets. Like, I'm more afraid 00:26:50.059 --> 00:26:52.759 of the regrets that I'll have to bring back. 00:26:53.019 --> 00:26:55.480 But even then, I'm not even really afraid of 00:26:55.480 --> 00:27:00.059 that because I know that I can lay it down and 00:27:00.059 --> 00:27:02.579 I can give it away, I can give it back, and I 00:27:02.579 --> 00:27:04.500 don't have to carry it alone. I'm not alone. 00:27:04.680 --> 00:27:06.480 No, that's good. We're going to come back to 00:27:06.480 --> 00:27:09.099 a little bit of this in a minute. I'm curious 00:27:09.099 --> 00:27:11.759 just if you could wrap up physically what happened 00:27:11.759 --> 00:27:15.480 to you. Did you need surgery? How did you get 00:27:15.480 --> 00:27:18.740 fixed from this, your broken heart? I came to, 00:27:18.839 --> 00:27:21.339 they gave me the shot. I took that first breath 00:27:21.339 --> 00:27:23.940 of air. When I took that first breath of air, 00:27:24.299 --> 00:27:26.640 what had happened, my heart rate had gone from 00:27:26.640 --> 00:27:31.599 140 beats per minute to 126 and it felt good. 00:27:31.920 --> 00:27:36.869 I think that I was having kind of an after effect. 00:27:37.170 --> 00:27:39.569 That's the only word I can come up with. Maybe 00:27:39.569 --> 00:27:41.829 you can help me come up with a better word. But 00:27:41.829 --> 00:27:44.450 as soon as I took that first breath, I opened 00:27:44.450 --> 00:27:51.009 my eyes. I was staring into this paled face paramedic. 00:27:51.589 --> 00:27:58.809 And I laughed. I laughed so hard. And he was 00:27:58.809 --> 00:28:02.640 just... He was in shock. He looked at me and 00:28:02.640 --> 00:28:06.339 he said, we've never ever had that kind of a 00:28:06.339 --> 00:28:09.359 reaction to this kind of medicine before. And 00:28:09.359 --> 00:28:12.680 I took another breath and I laughed again. And 00:28:12.680 --> 00:28:17.460 I said, can I have another shot? He shook his 00:28:17.460 --> 00:28:21.940 head at me. And he said, no, honey, another shot 00:28:21.940 --> 00:28:26.000 would kill you. So they took me to the hospital. 00:28:26.180 --> 00:28:30.130 My heart rate As soon as it got under 100, the 00:28:30.130 --> 00:28:32.470 doctor said, check in with your family doctor 00:28:32.470 --> 00:28:37.109 and sent me home. I slept for four days. The 00:28:37.109 --> 00:28:40.390 doctor said I had run the equivalent of a marathon 00:28:40.390 --> 00:28:43.470 without actually running the marathon. It took 00:28:43.470 --> 00:28:46.849 me four days to get that shower, Eric, four days, 00:28:46.990 --> 00:28:49.369 four days to get that shower because I was so 00:28:49.369 --> 00:28:52.170 tired. But as soon as I got that into the shower 00:28:52.170 --> 00:28:54.369 and that water hit my body for the first time 00:28:54.369 --> 00:28:57.450 in four days, Literally, Eric, I'm not joking 00:28:57.450 --> 00:29:00.910 to you, best shower of my life to this day. I 00:29:00.910 --> 00:29:04.269 was as close to heaven as I had been in four 00:29:04.269 --> 00:29:09.170 days. It was heaven. Did you say that your heart 00:29:09.170 --> 00:29:15.450 rate with the shot went from 240 to 126? Over 00:29:15.450 --> 00:29:18.369 100 beats per minute, it dropped in less than 00:29:18.369 --> 00:29:21.470 a second. After all of this, and you get home 00:29:21.470 --> 00:29:24.880 and you're feeling better, Who did you tell about 00:29:24.880 --> 00:29:27.900 this experience that you had? Not the physical 00:29:27.900 --> 00:29:31.440 part, the spiritual part. My mommy, of course. 00:29:32.180 --> 00:29:36.019 Of course, my mom. Mom always understands. I 00:29:36.019 --> 00:29:40.359 think she, as my mother, understandably so, she 00:29:40.359 --> 00:29:42.799 was really concerned. She was really worried. 00:29:42.900 --> 00:29:46.299 She was like, what happened? Kind of funny side 00:29:46.299 --> 00:29:51.480 story. My brother that same day, he got, my parents, 00:29:51.599 --> 00:29:54.650 I guess, had called him. He's an artist. And 00:29:54.650 --> 00:29:57.609 so he was working with a razor blade on a sculpture. 00:29:58.750 --> 00:30:01.190 And my sister came, my sister -in -law's wife 00:30:01.190 --> 00:30:03.829 came in and she said, Kim's in the hospital. 00:30:04.009 --> 00:30:07.390 It's her heart. And he's like, what? And he forgot 00:30:07.390 --> 00:30:10.630 what he was doing. He cut his wrist like huge, 00:30:10.670 --> 00:30:12.930 huge inches ended up in the hospital. Same day 00:30:12.930 --> 00:30:15.210 I did with stitches. He's got this huge scar. 00:30:15.269 --> 00:30:18.230 He didn't tell me about it till like seven. years 00:30:18.230 --> 00:30:21.250 later. He didn't tell me about it, stinker. Well, 00:30:21.309 --> 00:30:23.890 it was your fault, so he was being nice, right? 00:30:24.210 --> 00:30:26.569 The people that you told about the experience, 00:30:26.609 --> 00:30:30.049 did they believe you? Yes, because I'm just not 00:30:30.049 --> 00:30:34.789 one for telling stories that are in this context. 00:30:35.009 --> 00:30:39.529 I'm not a storyteller. Yeah, I believe you. How 00:30:39.529 --> 00:30:43.910 did it change your life? I think I took a lot 00:30:43.910 --> 00:30:47.660 of things for granted. before this experience, 00:30:48.480 --> 00:30:51.900 even after this experience, even today, I'm telling 00:30:51.900 --> 00:30:56.599 you, it's terrible because I'm sure anybody who 00:30:56.599 --> 00:30:58.660 is probably even listening to this story saying, 00:30:58.859 --> 00:31:01.079 well, you know, how can you have had these experiences 00:31:01.079 --> 00:31:04.460 and still make mistakes, right? Like, I mean, 00:31:04.539 --> 00:31:07.299 how is that possible? But it's possible. I'm 00:31:07.299 --> 00:31:11.079 human. I'm imperfect. I will continue to be imperfect. 00:31:11.559 --> 00:31:15.640 I will continue to make mistakes. But I think 00:31:15.640 --> 00:31:21.339 that for me, the experience, man, I thought I 00:31:21.339 --> 00:31:24.799 had it rough. It wasn't two years later. I ended 00:31:24.799 --> 00:31:27.720 up, and this might be another story for another 00:31:27.720 --> 00:31:31.759 time, Eric, ended up paralyzed and wheelchair 00:31:31.759 --> 00:31:35.000 bed bound for seven years afterwards. I ended 00:31:35.000 --> 00:31:39.480 up getting divorced from my husband of 15 years, 00:31:39.819 --> 00:31:41.759 the one we weren't able to have any children 00:31:41.759 --> 00:31:44.559 with, ended up getting divorced a couple years 00:31:44.559 --> 00:31:46.619 after that. It was a couple years after that, 00:31:46.779 --> 00:31:49.519 my parents ended up passing away in January and 00:31:49.519 --> 00:31:53.519 February. So I lost my parents in less than 30 00:31:53.519 --> 00:31:57.400 days of each other. And so I think having this 00:31:57.400 --> 00:32:02.400 NDE for me was a tender mercy. It prepared me 00:32:02.400 --> 00:32:05.880 for harder things in this life that I would have 00:32:05.880 --> 00:32:09.940 to then make choices about. Hopefully, again, 00:32:10.140 --> 00:32:13.559 like I said, not so afraid of death, but of regrets, 00:32:13.819 --> 00:32:16.339 like making good choices and making sure that 00:32:16.339 --> 00:32:19.299 I don't have any regrets. And if I do have regrets, 00:32:19.720 --> 00:32:22.519 fixing them as quickly as possible and not holding 00:32:22.519 --> 00:32:25.660 on to them, moving forward. But, I mean, have 00:32:25.660 --> 00:32:28.160 also experienced this really, really great thing 00:32:28.160 --> 00:32:30.420 we talked about before. I just got married. Like, 00:32:30.420 --> 00:32:33.700 I'm a mom now. Like, I've got kids. This is great. 00:32:33.759 --> 00:32:38.019 So, my whole life is a blessing. I look at every 00:32:38.019 --> 00:32:40.240 step that I take is a blessing, every heartbeat, 00:32:40.380 --> 00:32:42.160 every breath. Eric, and I'm just so grateful 00:32:42.160 --> 00:32:44.380 for the opportunity to share that. The last thing 00:32:44.380 --> 00:32:47.279 that I want to talk about, and now I am going 00:32:47.279 --> 00:32:49.539 kind of back to what I said I was going to, and 00:32:49.539 --> 00:32:54.599 that is your experience with Jesus. You went 00:32:54.599 --> 00:32:58.180 right from all these regrets and all this darkness 00:32:58.180 --> 00:33:01.940 and everything to being with Him and feeling 00:33:01.940 --> 00:33:04.720 the love. And I forget your exact words, but 00:33:04.720 --> 00:33:06.940 can you just delve into that a little bit deeper? 00:33:07.400 --> 00:33:11.220 It's a peace that passes all understanding. Because 00:33:11.220 --> 00:33:17.319 I was in turmoil. I was conflicted. I was full 00:33:17.319 --> 00:33:23.059 of regret and I was dying. And I suppose, I guess 00:33:23.059 --> 00:33:26.420 now the thought that comes to me is it's the 00:33:26.420 --> 00:33:31.180 difference between life and death. That love, 00:33:31.539 --> 00:33:35.339 that's what makes the difference. He said, I 00:33:35.339 --> 00:33:38.980 know, to you a couple of times. Was that a very 00:33:38.980 --> 00:33:41.119 simple thing or was there more meaning to it? 00:33:41.279 --> 00:33:43.980 There was more meaning to it. So I mean, I can 00:33:43.980 --> 00:33:47.200 give an example. I have struggled with an eating 00:33:47.200 --> 00:33:51.930 disorder and a part of that eating disorder had 00:33:51.930 --> 00:33:56.690 to do with some abuse and being a survivor of 00:33:56.690 --> 00:34:02.190 this abuse. And so in order to take this to the 00:34:02.190 --> 00:34:06.910 Savior and lay it at His feet and to experience 00:34:06.910 --> 00:34:11.650 that love, and it wasn't just for me, right? 00:34:11.710 --> 00:34:17.650 It's for this individual who was abusive. I have 00:34:17.650 --> 00:34:23.929 to forgive, and myself. And I know that that's, 00:34:23.969 --> 00:34:26.449 again, no regrets. I've got to let it go. Got 00:34:26.449 --> 00:34:28.929 to move forward. Because I've been able to do 00:34:28.929 --> 00:34:32.849 that, I am now in recovery. Like, I'm doing great. 00:34:32.969 --> 00:34:36.789 I'm doing so much better. Again, it's life changing. 00:34:37.050 --> 00:34:39.869 When you can forgive yourself, it's one thing. 00:34:40.170 --> 00:34:44.329 But when you can forgive somebody else, that's 00:34:44.329 --> 00:34:46.980 really life changing. I want to get just a little 00:34:46.980 --> 00:34:51.260 bit deeper into the I know that he said, because 00:34:51.260 --> 00:34:53.460 it can mean so many different things in this 00:34:53.460 --> 00:34:56.119 life. It can be a very flippant, oh, yeah, I 00:34:56.119 --> 00:34:58.300 know that, you know, kind of thing. But I have 00:34:58.300 --> 00:35:00.699 a feeling he was saying it meaning something 00:35:00.699 --> 00:35:03.380 much deeper. What do you think that was? Well, 00:35:03.480 --> 00:35:06.380 thinking about it right now, I think it meant 00:35:06.380 --> 00:35:11.159 that he's been there. He's been betrayed. He's 00:35:11.159 --> 00:35:17.500 been abused. He's been rejected, and that all 00:35:17.500 --> 00:35:20.840 of those feelings, whenever I feel them, I don't 00:35:20.840 --> 00:35:25.880 have to ever feel alone. That He knows what I'm 00:35:25.880 --> 00:35:29.880 feeling. He knows what I'm going through. And 00:35:29.880 --> 00:35:34.659 I just, I hold onto those two words. I'll never 00:35:34.659 --> 00:35:37.579 forget them, Eric. It's beautiful. All right. 00:35:37.800 --> 00:35:40.579 Very last before I let you go. You mentioned 00:35:40.579 --> 00:35:43.760 the word hope a while back. Wrap that up in a 00:35:43.760 --> 00:35:46.139 bow for us. Leave everybody with some hope today. 00:35:46.780 --> 00:35:51.840 Oh, wow. That's not a big ask. Just look outside, 00:35:52.099 --> 00:35:57.119 right? The gratitude we can have for the air 00:35:57.119 --> 00:36:01.199 that we breathe and for the sunshine that we 00:36:01.199 --> 00:36:04.980 have. And for the rain or the water that we have 00:36:04.980 --> 00:36:08.139 for this beautiful earth, it's gratitude gives 00:36:08.139 --> 00:36:10.679 me hope. I think you talk about gratitude. I've 00:36:10.679 --> 00:36:13.639 heard you talk about gratitude. That's important. 00:36:13.880 --> 00:36:17.119 I think that that can give me hope. And it's 00:36:17.119 --> 00:36:19.619 really, honestly, if you just open your eyes, 00:36:19.699 --> 00:36:23.599 look up, it's in the people around you. It's 00:36:23.599 --> 00:36:26.559 in the connections that you make with others. 00:36:26.980 --> 00:36:32.670 That gives me hope for Yeah, for life and, you 00:36:32.670 --> 00:36:35.650 know, life after death, it's not the end. We 00:36:35.650 --> 00:36:39.289 continue. We continue to progress, and I'm looking 00:36:39.289 --> 00:36:41.650 forward to the journey. I'll embrace the struggle 00:36:41.650 --> 00:36:45.750 here, and I have hope. I have lots of hope, and 00:36:45.750 --> 00:36:49.150 I hope everybody else does, too. And if you don't 00:36:49.150 --> 00:36:53.610 have hope, hold on, because it's out there, and 00:36:53.610 --> 00:36:56.130 look for it, because it is out there. Don't give 00:36:56.130 --> 00:36:58.940 up. Have hope. Thank you, Kimberly. That was 00:36:58.940 --> 00:37:03.840 beautifully said. 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