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From the time that they pronounced me deaf was a good 45 minutes.

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They cut my clothes and then they paddled my heart, my heart had stopped.

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physical body because I was somewhere else.

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The only thing that I could feel, if you could imagine, absolute love and peace, there wasn't

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anything else to be felt.

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I was greeted by people I'd known in the past.

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I'm back home again.

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Incredibly safe and felt at home.

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Welcome, welcome to RoundtripDeath everybody.

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We are going all the way down to Australia again today.

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It's been a couple months since we've been there, but we have a special guest Deb car

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How are you Deb?

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I'm good Eric, how are you?

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I'm really good.

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You were just saying before we started recording that there's a cyclone, maybe headed your

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That's kind of scary.

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Yeah, it's heading towards Brisbane.

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So I'm in New South Wales.

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So Brisbane's about eight hours north of me.

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We're going to get the tail end of it, but it's Brisbane's closed and the airport's closed.

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And yeah, we're all just waiting here to see what happens.

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Hopefully it's not too destructive.

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Not only for you, it sounds like you're safely enough far away, but for all of our other

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friends down there, we wish them best.

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Thank you.

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So we're going to jump into your near death experiences.

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We have a lot to talk about today.

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I'm not even sure where we're going to go with this, but first tell us just a little,

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just take 60 seconds.

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Tell us a little bit about you and who is Deb?

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Well Deb was born in Wales and she immigrated out to Australia when she's only five.

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I lived in Australia and New Zealand.

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Currently, I live in a little town called Tea Gardens on the New South Wales coast.

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So it's a really pretty, like a fishing village.

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And I have a jewellery store.

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So I make my own jewellery and I share that store with my friend who has the boutique

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of clothing.

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So we have that store.

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I trade with a website designer.

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So I still do the odd website and I have four websites of my own, including a few blogs.

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It's about it.

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Wow, that's awesome.

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We're going to be talking about multiple experiences today.

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I don't know if you have this term in Australia, but some people around here use the term woo-woo.

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I won't try to translate it for you.

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And some people may say some of what you've experienced is out in that realm.

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I don't care.

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We're going to have fun today.

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But let's start with 30 years ago.

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You were having some major surgery and this is where a lot of this started.

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So take us back to what was going on back then.

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So just to put it into context here, I've had a lot of operations and general anesthetics

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in my years.

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I go a lot.

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And this is the only time I've had an experience like this.

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And I've had major surgery a few years ago.

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So and even a couple of years, I had quite big surgery on my arm that I ripped open.

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So I've had a lot of them.

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But this one was 30 years ago.

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I was under anesthetic.

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Now I do not recall popping out of my body.

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I do not recall seeing any light.

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I was just in the universe with God, call it God, divine creator, whatever.

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And I was in this space.

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It was it was like the universe.

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It was black and it had stars everywhere.

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And I was just in the presence of this energy that was I knew to be the creator of all.

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And while I was there and I have said this to you before, I could have been there for

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five seconds.

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I could have been there for eternity.

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I don't know how long I was there for it, but it was beautiful.

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And I could feel God over there.

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So I'm here and God is over there.

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And then over here is this sort of construction of I would say the universe.

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I could just see this construction.

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I asked all the questions that I that I want to know like what I want to know today.

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Like why are we here?

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Who are we?

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What are we doing?

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You know, what is this all about?

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Okay, give us all the answers.

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Well, I was I wasn't allowed to remember them.

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That was the thing.

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So I was told I would know that I knew, but I would never remember any of them because

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if I did, I wouldn't live my life properly.

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I'd be cheating.

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I know I knew and I didn't come back as a like being told to come back.

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I was came back as if I was floating backwards and then I don't recall any nurses.

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You know how they wake you up and they're talking to you and trying to get you.

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I don't recall any of that, but I remember this distinct noise as I was coming back.

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It was just a tick, tick, tick.

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I don't know what it is to this day.

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I have no idea what it is, but I think about that experience every day of my life and it

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has helped me through hard times and helped me with my belief that I know that there is

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we don't just exist in these bodies.

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We are something else far greater than what we think we are.

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That is beautiful.

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When you say you were in the universe, I have a hard time picturing what does that mean?

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Are you like floating a galaxy away and you're seeing the whole universe or what's going

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I can just say I was part of it.

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I wasn't, I was just in there.

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It was like, it was, so I'm talking about the stars and the galaxies and I was part

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of it like I was it and I was talking to God, but I didn't see a man on a throne.

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I didn't see anything.

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It was just this energy.

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It was quite incredible.

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I wish I had been able to bring back all those answers because I've been seeking those answers

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since I was a little girl to be honest and I still don't have them all.

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I think I know some of them, but yeah, I do know that I was somewhere.

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I'll never forget it ever.

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I'm just trying to figure out how to get you to explain just a little bit more here because

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well, one of the things that I love is that so many people tell me that during their experience,

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they feel connected to everything.

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I think that's kind of what you're saying.

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Is it?

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It is what I'm saying.

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I was still Debbie, but I was everything that makes sense.

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Tell me about God.

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You said you didn't see a being or something like that.

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Do you feel like this was a verbal communication or just sort of a transfer of information

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back and forth?

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A transfer, definitely a transfer, just a knowing.

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And it was the funny thing about it.

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Like, you know, I say that I was part of everything, but I distinctly God was there that way.

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And I'm not talking from like me to my hand.

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I'm talking about millions of miles maybe.

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I don't know.

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It was just, oh, here.

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I shouldn't even, that energy source was over there.

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The Creator was over there.

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And I was like here.

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I don't know, but that's as far as I got.

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I never went into the light.

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I didn't have any beings near me.

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I didn't feel any other presence except God.

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That's it.

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And I just had this knowing that I've brought back to me that I knew, but I would never

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be allowed to remember all those answers because I just wouldn't have completed my life properly.

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Yeah, that makes sense.

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I mean, we're here to live by faith.

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Tell me about some of the things that you were actually feeling.

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You said you felt God, but were you feeling love or fear or curiosity or what was going

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Well, I'd say love and curiosity.

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Definitely no fear.

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I didn't have any fear at all.

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It was just being in the presence of just bliss, maybe.

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It was just a beautiful place to be.

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And I wasn't scared at all.

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I didn't think about me as that body back there on the operating table.

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I didn't think about her.

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I was just my consciousness.

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But I was up there.

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I was no didn't think about anybody or anything.

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Or I didn't even think about this.

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I just was in this space.

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I've heard a few stories that's similar to mine.

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I can't recall where I read them, but I have gone seeking to see if anyone else has had

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sort of that kind of experience.

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And I have come across some.

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You mentioned that you think about this every single day.

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In what ways are you a different person now than you were before this happened?

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And how has it affected your life since then?

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Well, I guess it has strengthened my faith in the belief system that I have that we do live on.

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I'm sure we're going to discuss more about that later.

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But definitely has helped my faith.

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It's given me, I like to say the word hope, because this play that let's face it is pretty bonkers at the moment.

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And there's hope that there is a creator, that there's we are not just who we think we are.

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We humans don't rule the universe.

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That's what I'm trying to say.

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I guess that's an easy one for me to understand.

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Good. There's no way we humans are ruling the universe.

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We can't even figure out how to rule our own planet.

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Most of us are on home or or anything else.

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Let's talk about some of your other experiences.

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Sure. What's the first one that you can remember?

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My brother, my brother took his life in 1998.

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And it was the most devastating experience I've ever had.

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I get teary sometimes even all these years later thinking about it.

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And I was crying in bed a few days after his death.

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And by myself, I don't know where Andrew was, but I was just by myself sobbing.

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And then all of a sudden I heard Gary.

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I heard his voice right here outside my ear.

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His voice. So it wasn't my mind.

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It was his physical voice.

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And he said, yeah, I'm OK. I'm really, really happy.

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And then it's like a vision, you know, you hear people have visions.

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My third eye or whatever it was, all of a sudden I'm in a vision.

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I'm on a bench, which is a concrete bench, a garden bench like this crying.

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He comes up to me, Gary.

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He's wearing a jumper that had diamonds that were black and white.

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And to forget it, he had on black jeans, very scruffy hair

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because he was a scruffy person.

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And he came up to me, he put his arm around me, he winked at me

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and he said, everything you believe in life after death is true.

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I'm really happy.

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Tell me about Gary.

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Was he a real religious person that would have automatically done that?

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Or was this something really different?

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He was very different.

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He was an extremely talented artist.

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So we were actually writing a children's book together.

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He was doing the illustrations.

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He was like a fantasy artist.

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Amazing work.

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Unfortunately, due to a childhood trauma, which I won't go into,

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but, you know, children sometimes get suffered, not through a family member,

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but a religious man.

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Gary ended up being a very depressed person, like very depressed.

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And I was his rock.

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He would often confide in me about his feelings.

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We both would talk about life after death and our belief systems.

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He told me he used to leave his body an astral plane to the other realms.

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And that's where he would pick up his colours for his artwork.

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He and he mixed all his own colours from the primary colours.

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He was quite incredible, but he did have this terrible,

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terrible depression from this trauma.

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And he had tried to commit suicide a few times before that failed.

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I was close to him and it was a very hard time for me, obviously,

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my parents and brothers as well.

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But I believe he's in a good place.

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So that's also helped me a lot through my life, knowing that I heard what I heard

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and I saw what I saw and it was him.

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He came to tell me, calm down.

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It's all right.

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And he'd see me again one day.

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That must have brought you a ton of comfort.

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It really helped, yeah.

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I think there are so many times that loved ones that have passed on want to comfort us.

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I'm grateful, that's great that you had an experience like that.

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Tell me about the forklift accident.

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Oh, there was a friend of my brother's.

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So he was only 25 and he was driving a forklift at the fruit markets.

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And a truck came in and it was going to hit the forklift.

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So he had to jump out of the, or tried to jump out of the cage, but it rolled.

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So he was only 25.

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And that was probably my first death that I experienced.

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And it was both my brothers, Gary and Kevin's friend.

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I got really grief-stricken by it.

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It was, I just couldn't understand how could a life be taken so young.

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And so even though I grew up in a Catholic church, I don't have that faith anymore,

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but I'm obviously very spiritual.

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But I did go to the church and sat in the church.

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I actually spoke to a priest for a while and then I went into the pews.

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And as I sat there, I experienced what I can say is the presence of Jesus.

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And I felt Jesus.

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I didn't see anything, but felt that grief just taken away from me.

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It was just as if it was lifted off me.

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And I walked out of that church changed.

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I was just, I just felt that I had been given a blessing of some sort there.

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How long after the accident did that happen?

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Oh, maybe only a couple of weeks.

262
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So pretty soon after?

263
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Yeah, pretty soon after.

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Yeah, it was a long time ago, but that feeling of having that,

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that grief taken off me was quite profound.

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Really was.

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Now you had an experience in your first pregnancy.

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Was that before or after the near death 30 years ago?

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That would have been after because I did new death was before Emma.

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It was a short experience too, but it's something that I still can recall.

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I was in bed and my husband was next to me asleep.

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And I recall it was on my left.

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And there were these three beings of light and they were all beautiful colors,

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like blues and purples and greens, all sort of.

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So as you imagine, I want a light being might look like just,

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but I didn't see any faces, just their outlines.

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And they were actually different heights too.

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And I felt them put me back into my body because I've had a lot of out of body

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experiences too.

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That was just a memory.

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And I remember just looking at them and thinking how beautiful.

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And I wasn't scared.

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I don't know who they were or what they were doing.

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That was just one of my other experiences.

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So do you think that the near death experience you had

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opened you up to more of these other things happening?

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Yes, probably.

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But I've always had an interest in spiritual life since I can remember,

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since I was a girl.

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So I've always read books of always, I always ask the question,

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what are we doing here?

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Like, who am I?

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What is this all about?

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Possibly that did open me up a bit more.

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But I'm very open minded about these things.

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I don't believe reality is what we've been taught.

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Reality is that there's more to it.

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All right.

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I'm going to deviate.

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We're going to talk about the true woo woo stuff now for a minute.

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I want our listeners to think about something for a minute.

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First of all, we're going to talk about a topic, which is UFOs,

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which we never talk about on this show.

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I'm making an exception today.

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I have no idea why.

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Those that don't believe in UFOs, I don't want that to hurt

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the credibility of anything that Deb is telling us today.

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Okay.

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Is that a fair statement?

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That's a fair statement.

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Okay.

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Let's talk about this for just a minute,

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and then we're going to come back to some other experiences,

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including shared death experiences that you've had.

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So we talked quite a bit about your brother.

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I believe it was when you were a child that you had a dream about a UFO.

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Give me an idea of what was going on there.

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Yeah.

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I was 14.

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I lived in New Zealand at the time, and I had a bedroom upstairs.

321
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So I'm the only daughter, so I had my own bedroom.

322
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And in this profound dream, I again was in the universe,

323
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very much like I was with this NDE.

324
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But this time I was looking at a UFO, but it wasn't around flying saucers.

325
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So in those days, that's what you thought a UFO was.

326
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It was like a city, a flying city, I guess.

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It was enormous, and it was different levels,

328
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like different levels, and they had windows.

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And I will just describe it as this city.

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And it did have not wings, but sort of, I could see sort of legs or something.

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No, legs, machine-stay of legs.

332
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But there was some sort of landing gear, I think, maybe.

333
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But yeah, it was like a floating city.

334
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And it was a very profound something again

335
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that has kept with me all these years.

336
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So when I was 14, that's a long time ago.

337
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Now tell us how that ties in with your brother.

338
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Well, before he died, we were talking as we did about some things.

339
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And I was telling him about this dream, and he said, I had the same dream.

340
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And you hadn't talked about it before.

341
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No, no.

342
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And I said to him, well, draw it for me.

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Draw what I saw.

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Draw what you saw.

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And he drew it because he gave him a pen and pencil, and he drew it.

346
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He drew exactly the same machine that I saw.

347
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It was exactly the same.

348
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I don't know where I've put that drawing now.

349
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I wish I'd kept it, but again, that was a long time ago.

350
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And I was like, whoa, how, how, how could you have had the same dream?

351
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But it was.

352
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It was incredible.

353
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Now that you've had a few decades to think about it,

354
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how do you explain that he had the same dream?

355
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Do you think it was real?

356
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Do you think it was a dream?

357
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What do you think was going on?

358
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Well, I think that they could.

359
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I don't think it was a dream.

360
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I think it was real.

361
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I think people get, like, I know your show's not about this, but.

362
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I brought it up.

363
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So go right ahead and jump through.

364
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Well, how could we be the only living creatures with all these billions of galaxies and whatever?

365
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So maybe Gary and I had an out-of-body experience together.

366
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I'm not sure, but for him to draw that for me all those years later,

367
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and it'd be the exact same one that I have in my head, was pretty, pretty strange.

368
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So we both used to talk about that we don't belong here, meaning not that we're depressed,

369
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that we don't belong on the planet, that we came from another realm.

370
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We used to talk about that kind of thing.

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And this is going back, you know, all those years ago.

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So maybe it all ties in together.

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And the more I think of it too, how it's sort of the same as my NDE.

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So I was still in the same kind of space.

375
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It was different, but I don't have any explanation.

376
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It's just something that's happened to me.

377
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And that's who I am.

378
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Any other experiences with UFOs?

379
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Only once when I was jogging one morning.

380
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What do you mean only one?

381
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Anyone is a big deal.

382
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Well, this one, I was jogging out.

383
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So we lived in the country and I was down the road by myself.

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And I looked up in the sky and there was a lot way, way up in the sky.

385
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And there were these two white orbs.

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They were big because they were far up and they were just doing the most strangest moves.

387
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There wasn't a plane.

388
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There couldn't have been satellites.

389
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I don't even know if we had satellites then,

390
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but they were just dancing with each other and then they just took off.

391
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But I didn't see them close up or anything like that.

392
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And I was just watching them go, wow, it was incredible.

393
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I think it's interesting that you explain them as orbs.

394
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Because I've had plenty of other people on this show that during an NDE

395
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or some other kind of spiritual experience,

396
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they have witnessed orbs that they actually saw people in,

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like to see stanzasters and things like that.

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So it's almost bridging this gap between something flying that you didn't know what it was

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and something spiritual.

400
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So what I'm leading up to with my question here is,

401
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do you think there is some kind of spiritual tie with UFOs?

402
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Are they some sort of spiritual experience

403
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or you just believe they're a fact and they're people from who knows where and explain?

404
00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:11,480
This is just my personal belief with watching a lot of shows

405
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and just things that I've read and what I feel.

406
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I believe that they are spiritually connected to us in a way,

407
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but I also think there may be some that are not so kind.

408
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And that could even be like good and bad, you know?

409
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But I just believe they're trying to help us not destroy each other.

410
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Maybe heard the stories of deactivating nuclear plants and stuff.

411
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Oh, I've seen Independence Day.

412
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They're trying to totally wipe us out.

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Thank goodness we have heroes in this country.

414
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Sorry, I am not making fun of Australians.

415
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Just that we Americans think a lot of ourselves, that's all.

416
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All right, let's jump into shared-death experiences.

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Which do you want to talk about first, your mother or your father?

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I'll do mum.

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So mum died, we call her mum here in Australia, not mum.

420
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She died 10 years ago coming this July

421
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and she had been in a coma for two days.

422
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She has four years of stroke.

423
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So she was very disabled by the time she died.

424
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And for her to actually pass was a good thing, I think,

425
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because she was suffering so much.

426
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But anyway, we spent...

427
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My brother, his wife and my father and I

428
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spent the night in the hospital with her the last night of her life.

429
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And we all slept on... Kevin slept on the floor.

430
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Me and I shared a bed and dad slept in a chair.

431
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In the morning, I was by this time in the chair and I looked at her

432
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and I could see she was going to pass.

433
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They changed their colour a bit and the breathing was a bit strange.

434
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So we all gathered around her bed.

435
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Dad was there, Kevin was there, May was there and I was here.

436
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We were holding her hand and telling her we love her.

437
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And then all of a sudden she opened her eyes, which was incredible.

438
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Of course, she'd been in a coma for two days.

439
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She looked at dad and then she looked at Kevin,

440
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then she looked at Mayu and then she looked at me.

441
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And her eyes were beautiful.

442
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They looked really greeny blue.

443
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And I could tell she was saying goodbye

444
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and then she looked up into the corner and she took her last breath.

445
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That was quite incredible.

446
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I know this has happened to other people too,

447
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because obviously I got to look it up and say,

448
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is this normal?

449
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And she looked at peace at last.

450
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She was in a good space.

451
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What did you make of that, of her looking up into the corner of the room?

452
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I think she was seeing something.

453
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I think maybe someone was coming to get her.

454
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We hear stories like that and even a few years later,

455
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my auntie was dying on her, and she was in hospital.

456
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And her son, my cousin, sat on the edge of the bed

457
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and she said to him, get off the bed.

458
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Auntie Sylvie wants to sit there.

459
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And Sylvie, I was my mother.

460
00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:05,760
So you hear these stories all the time.

461
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,760
So it gives me faith that there's something else.

462
00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:09,760
Absolutely.

463
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:11,760
Okay, tell me about your father.

464
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This was more like a lucid dream, I think,

465
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but turned into an experience.

466
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So he died just before COVID.

467
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In this dream, I was in my bed where I lived at the time

468
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and I lived by the beach in the dream part.

469
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For some reason, Dad's funeral was going to be on the beach

470
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in a cabana, which was crazy.

471
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And I'm running to it because I'm late

472
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and I've got to try and get to this funeral.

473
00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:43,760
And then all of a sudden, it turned into, from the beach

474
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to this cave with snow everywhere.

475
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Snow, the widest, then it was like big ledgers

476
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and it was amazing.

477
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And then I realized, ah, that's not snow.

478
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It was this light, like the brightest of brightest,

479
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widest, widest light you could ever see.

480
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:05,760
And then I felt Dad's soul go phew, up there.

481
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:08,760
And as I looked up, there were these three beings.

482
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:11,760
Now, you're probably going to ask me to explain

483
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:12,760
what they look like.

484
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:15,760
And to this day, I can't even explain it.

485
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:17,760
They weren't, they were beings.

486
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:20,760
Maybe something, you might have got out of Harry Potter or something,

487
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:23,760
but not scary, just really kind of cute.

488
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Short, sitting on the ledgers and they were white.

489
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And they had these enormous smiles.

490
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:32,760
And they were all looking at me.

491
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And I was looking up at one of them.

492
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:38,760
And this being was just pouring love onto me

493
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:40,760
and I was just loving it back at it.

494
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:44,760
And then I woke up and I had this huge smile on my face.

495
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:47,760
It was like physically, I was smiling at it.

496
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:53,760
So that's, I believe that I shared Dad's journey into the light.

497
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:57,760
I think he hung around a few days before he, he actually went there.

498
00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:01,760
Did you say you felt his soul whizzing by?

499
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:03,760
Not by me, just going.

500
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:04,760
Just going.

501
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:05,760
Yeah, gone.

502
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:07,760
What'd that feel like?

503
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:10,760
Well, happy that he's gone to the light.

504
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:11,760
Yeah, just knew.

505
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:13,760
And you know, I just knew, oh, Dad's gone.

506
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:17,760
He's gone into the light, which is what a lot of near death

507
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:21,760
experiences talk about, as you know, is that they go into this light.

508
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:26,760
Well, I think I saw that light because it was so white.

509
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:28,760
It just feels unbelievable.

510
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:31,760
How do you think white can be whiter than white?

511
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:32,760
But it was.

512
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:37,760
So tell me a little bit more about how the conglomeration of all these experiences

513
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:43,760
has shaped who you are and what you do and what you think and how you treat people.

514
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:48,760
Well, I treat people the way I want to be treated with kindness.

515
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,760
I think I'm a very, a more tolerant person now.

516
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:55,760
I have a faith that, that, you know, at the moment, as we know,

517
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:59,760
there's a lot going on on the planet that's not very pleasant.

518
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:04,760
And I truly, with all my heart, believe that one day, not in my lifetime,

519
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:10,760
but one day this planet will have that peace and that love and that will evolve

520
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:13,760
into something much better than we're behaving at the moment.

521
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:15,760
So I have that faith.

522
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,760
I read a lot of books. I don't watch TV as such.

523
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:21,760
I don't even, I don't have a commercial TV.

524
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:23,760
I never watched TV, only YouTube.

525
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:27,760
I study a lot. I read a lot of books on near-death experience.

526
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:29,760
I have done it my whole life.

527
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,760
My story is even on the nderf.org website.

528
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:34,760
I wrote that one a few years ago.

529
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:39,760
I'm a blogger, so I've been writing about my experiences for years

530
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:43,760
and my current blog, which is attached to my jewellery website,

531
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:48,760
is all about metaphysical things and crystals and my experiences

532
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:50,760
and stuff like that.

533
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:54,760
I just think we're more than, we've been told, like I said before,

534
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:58,760
we're more than the reality we've been conditioned to believe we are.

535
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:00,760
We'll get that website in the show notes, by the way,

536
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,760
in case anybody wants to look you up.

537
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:05,760
So leave us with some kind of a message of hope.

538
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:07,760
I know you have tons.

539
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:09,760
First, tell me what your fear of death is

540
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,760
and then what kind of message you'd like to leave for us today.

541
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:16,760
Okay. My only fear of death is dying in pain,

542
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:18,760
but I'm not scared of dying.

543
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:19,760
Join the club.

544
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:21,760
Yeah, I think everyone has that.

545
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:23,760
We don't want to die in pain.

546
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:25,760
My message is there's more to us.

547
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:27,760
We are all connected.

548
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:31,760
We should all be caring and less selfish.

549
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,760
Just have faith that there is good to come.

550
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:36,760
That's my message.

551
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:39,760
How about for someone that's not sure if they believe,

552
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:43,760
not only in an afterlife, but in some kind of a God,

553
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:48,760
and we won't even label what that is today because you didn't.

554
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:50,760
So why should they believe?

555
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:53,760
Well, I think they need to, if they shouldn't believe,

556
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,760
if they want to believe, they should go and find out.

557
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:58,760
Go explore and go read books.

558
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:01,760
Go talk to people like me and listen to your show

559
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:03,760
and other shows like yours.

560
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,760
There's too many people, billions of people

561
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,760
have had these experiences of some sort.

562
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:14,760
And why would we just be on this planet just to do this madness?

563
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:15,760
And that's it.

564
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:17,760
It doesn't make any sense to me.

565
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:19,760
It hasn't made sense to me since I can remember.

566
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:22,760
There has to be a purpose to it all, doesn't there?

567
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:23,760
I think so.

568
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:24,760
I do.

569
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:26,760
Deb, thank you so much.

570
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:29,760
Say hello to all my friends down there in Australia.

571
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:30,760
All right.

572
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:31,760
Thanks, Eric.

573
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:32,760
It's been fun.

574
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:35,760
Thanks again for listening and sharing this podcast.

575
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,760
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576
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577
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:44,760
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578
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:46,760
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579
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:50,760
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580
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581
00:29:53,760 --> 00:30:06,760
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