1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:08,400 From the time that they pronounced me deaf was a good 45 minutes. 2 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:13,440 They cut my clothes and then they paddled my heart, my heart had stopped. 3 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:18,120 And I could see people screaming and crying, but I didn't realize that was actually my 4 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:21,320 physical body because I was somewhere else. 5 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:27,400 The only thing that I could feel, if you could imagine, absolute love and peace, there wasn't 6 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:29,400 anything else to be felt. 7 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:32,520 I was greeted by people I'd known in the past. 8 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:34,160 I'm back home again. 9 00:00:34,160 --> 00:00:39,160 Incredibly safe and felt at home. 10 00:00:39,160 --> 00:00:44,640 Welcome, welcome to RoundTripDeath everybody and to our very specialist guest today, Heather 11 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:45,640 Vander Maiden. 12 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:46,640 How are you Heather? 13 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:47,960 Good, thank you for having me. 14 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:49,480 I'm excited to be here. 15 00:00:49,480 --> 00:00:55,440 Well, I appreciate you being on here and I know you have not talked about your NDE much. 16 00:00:55,440 --> 00:01:01,600 This is your first podcast and so thank you for trusting us and I appreciate you being 17 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:03,600 here today. 18 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:09,040 And as always, before we jump into the NDE, let's take just one minute and get to know 19 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:10,880 who Heather is. 20 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:12,360 Tell us a little bit about you. 21 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:18,480 Okay, well, I had my NDE when I was 20, so it's been quite a few years. 22 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:25,280 I have two kids now and I work in a legal field and pretty calm life, but it's definitely 23 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:27,000 changed my view on death. 24 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:31,760 I'm not scared anymore and I'm very grateful for experience. 25 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:37,440 Well we'll get into all those details, but your mom and just a regular wonderful person 26 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:40,840 and okay, well let's jump into it. 27 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:43,880 Let's go back to when you were 20. 28 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:49,160 Oh man, you had a not a fun health issue going on. 29 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:53,240 I know other people that have had this too and it is not fun. 30 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:55,120 Tell us what was going on. 31 00:01:55,120 --> 00:02:00,360 So when I was 19, I had been healthy up until that point and I was diagnosed with ulcerative 32 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:06,240 colitis and generally you can keep it in remission and I wasn't able to. 33 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:10,960 So for about the next year or so, we tried every medication possible. 34 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:16,080 I saw multiple specialists and it was not able to go into remission. 35 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:18,360 So I was getting sicker and sicker. 36 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:24,560 I weighed about 94 pounds at this point, couldn't eat anything but vegetable broth and baby food. 37 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:29,120 And one day I was sitting at my parents kitchen table and I heard this voice say, you're going 38 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:31,000 to die soon. 39 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:33,000 There was no one else in the room but me. 40 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:38,360 I looked around and I thought, okay, that was very clear what was said. 41 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:43,760 I was in complete denial of how sick I really was and so I just assumed there was going 42 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:46,280 to be a car accident and I was going to die that way. 43 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:53,840 So I started kind of preparing for if I wasn't here and then as the months grew on, I got 44 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:54,840 sicker and sicker. 45 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:58,080 I ended up in the hospital for collapsed lungs. 46 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:01,840 I kept passing out and falling down the stairs and broke my telephone. 47 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:02,840 That was in October. 48 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:09,440 By December of 1999, I was really, really sick and was admitted to the hospital for what 49 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:11,320 would be three months. 50 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:18,120 So I didn't realize that ulcerative colitis affected other things like lungs and falling 51 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:20,240 down stairs and stuff like that. 52 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:24,600 I was really dehydrated and malnourished from not being able to keep any fluids in. 53 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:28,400 So I think that was a lot of why I was passing out so much. 54 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:29,900 That does make more sense. 55 00:03:29,900 --> 00:03:34,240 But I also waited a week to go to the doctor or the hospital for my lungs collapsing because 56 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:37,480 I thought it was back pain. 57 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:39,400 Except that you couldn't breathe. 58 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:44,920 And just to give people a heads up of what's to come, you had multiple near death experiences 59 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:48,720 during this three month hospitalization time. 60 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:52,360 We're going to kind of pick them apart and take them one by one even though there's a 61 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:53,800 bunch of overlap. 62 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:57,240 But okay, so you're in the hospital. 63 00:03:57,240 --> 00:03:58,520 Things are going downhill. 64 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:01,600 Give us a little more idea of the medical side, what happened. 65 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:06,520 Okay, so I was admitted on December 20th and they did some abdominal ultrasounds, CAT 66 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:10,120 scams, X-rays and said, we need to remove your large intestine. 67 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:14,000 It's basically falling apart. 68 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:17,280 You have about 24 hours before you'll die from complications. 69 00:04:17,280 --> 00:04:21,760 Again, I was in severe denial and I said, well, I don't think I'm as sick as you think 70 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:22,920 I am. 71 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:24,360 And I have a family Christmas party. 72 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:28,720 So why don't I just go to that and then I'll come back in a couple of days and we can talk 73 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:29,720 surgery. 74 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:33,680 They laughed and kept me and did surgery on the 23rd. 75 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:37,720 Effectively, they removed my large intestine completely. 76 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:43,120 It's called, it's a three part surgery that they give you an ostomy, which is a colostomy 77 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:49,280 bag, where your body heals and then when your insides are healed, they go and take your 78 00:04:49,280 --> 00:04:52,120 small intestine and form a loop at the end. 79 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:56,760 It's called a J-Pouch and then hook your body part together. 80 00:04:56,760 --> 00:05:01,040 That's how you use the bathroom now instead of a colostomy bag. 81 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:05,480 So that was the plan was to just do the three part surgery and I went critical before they 82 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:07,320 were able to finish that surgery. 83 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:10,920 The first surgery I should say is when you went critical and... 84 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:13,400 And I had about 13 surgeries. 85 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:14,400 So... 86 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:15,400 Wow. 87 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:16,400 Yeah. 88 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:18,560 So the first surgery went pretty well, I think. 89 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:25,240 It was done on December 23rd and then New Year's Eve of 1999, which was Y2K. 90 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:27,080 I was recovering still in the hospital. 91 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:28,640 It was a pretty major surgery. 92 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:31,000 I had an eight inch incision on my stomach. 93 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:35,400 But as the nurses were checking on me, my body started lifting off the bed and I was 94 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:38,280 about shoulder height with the nurses. 95 00:05:38,280 --> 00:05:39,280 Okay. 96 00:05:39,280 --> 00:05:40,280 Hang on. 97 00:05:40,280 --> 00:05:42,120 My body was lifting off the bed. 98 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:43,120 My soul, yeah. 99 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:44,120 Okay. 100 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:46,760 Your spirit was lifting out of your body and coming up. 101 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:47,760 Yeah. 102 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:48,760 I never had that experience. 103 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:52,720 So I felt like my entire body was lifting up and had no idea what was happening. 104 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:54,840 It was kind of scary. 105 00:05:54,840 --> 00:05:55,840 Yeah. 106 00:05:55,840 --> 00:05:57,400 The nurses didn't seem to notice. 107 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:02,840 They just kept checking my vitals and then they left the room and I floated back down. 108 00:06:02,840 --> 00:06:05,720 So that was the first time I left my body. 109 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:06,920 Okay. 110 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:09,320 What prompted the second time? 111 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:14,720 Second time on January 3rd, my small intestine came out of my stomach. 112 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:18,400 And so they rushed me back into surgery to replace that. 113 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:19,720 And then it happened again on the 11th. 114 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:20,720 Same thing. 115 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:23,360 It's called a small bowel evisceration. 116 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:26,720 The second time on the 11th, that's when I went critical. 117 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:32,320 I developed what's called ARDS, acute respiratory distress syndrome, where basically your lungs 118 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:34,760 fill with fluid and you drown. 119 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:40,560 My heart rate was 190 beats per minute and my body started crashing. 120 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:47,600 So they had a critical care team of eight nurses that were trying to stabilize me and 121 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:49,440 asked my family to leave the room. 122 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:54,080 And the next thing I knew, I was in a hospital bed being pushed down the hallway, screaming 123 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:56,360 everyone move, get out of the way. 124 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:59,120 And that's when I left my body the second time. 125 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:00,120 Was it very similar? 126 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:03,680 Did you just kind of float up or was it different? 127 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:05,600 This was totally different. 128 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:10,000 I remember being with the nurses in the room and everyone was working fast. 129 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:12,560 And then I don't remember flying down the hall. 130 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:14,880 My family told me about that. 131 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:19,840 The next thing I remember is sitting off to a side, it almost looked like stadium seats. 132 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:23,200 You'd see if you go to like a rodeo or something. 133 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:25,600 And to the right was a nurses desk. 134 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:30,120 And the nurses were, you know, they had their clipboards around certain phones. 135 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:34,000 And then to my left, I could see a hospital bed with nurses all around it. 136 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:37,000 And they were working at a fast pace. 137 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:41,760 And I could see a girl that was having severe problems breathing. 138 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:45,560 Her chest was moving up and down really heavily and she was hysterical. 139 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:49,920 And so I watched for a few minutes and thought, poor girl, she looks terrible. 140 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:51,400 She looks near death. 141 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:56,480 And then I noticed that I could feel the nurses stops and they were terrified. 142 00:07:56,480 --> 00:08:00,760 And as I watched a few minutes longer, I realized that that body was me. 143 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:04,400 And I had no feeling for her whatsoever. 144 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:05,920 It didn't feel like my body. 145 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:08,320 I didn't have an emotional connection. 146 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:13,520 It was like watching a show on TV and not really caring what happens, but you're kind 147 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:15,360 of interested. 148 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:20,000 And so I watched them intubate me and get me stable. 149 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:24,560 And then the next thing I remember is waking up in a hospital room with my arms tied to 150 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:30,760 the bed, then later in my mouth and a nurse screaming at me to help still not touch. 151 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:33,080 I kept trying to pull the ventilator out. 152 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:36,760 Yeah, so they'd strap you down. 153 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:38,840 Well, trauma. 154 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:39,400 Yeah. 155 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:41,960 OK, what happened next? 156 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:45,400 That nurse actually was quite abusive throughout my hospital stay. 157 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:48,960 I was in the shock trauma unit of the hospital and I would go from room to room. 158 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:53,040 So for the next three weeks is when I would pop in and out of my body. 159 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:57,520 And quite often I think I've counted about 20 different experiences between the shock 160 00:08:57,520 --> 00:09:01,360 trauma unit and the respiratory care unit for the heart and lung ICU. 161 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:08,040 And so the first time after that I was laying in bed and all of a sudden I felt myself moving 162 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:11,240 up in the air at a very, very fast speed. 163 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:13,720 It was completely dark around me. 164 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:14,920 And there was a man next to me. 165 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:18,720 He was really close about right here, probably. 166 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:23,200 And he was dressed in a black tux type suit. 167 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:24,200 He looked like he was from 1800s. 168 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:26,200 He had a black top hat on. 169 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:29,560 He actually reminded me of Abe Lincoln and his facial features. 170 00:09:29,560 --> 00:09:33,200 It wasn't him, but that's what it reminded me of. 171 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:35,920 And he stayed with me. 172 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:39,120 And he never said anything, but everything around us was dark except for him. 173 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:45,600 He emanated this light around him and he wasn't scary, but everything else was scary because 174 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:48,280 we were moving so fast. 175 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:52,680 And so when I would start to panic, I'd pop back into my body and then a few minutes later 176 00:09:52,680 --> 00:09:53,680 it would happen again. 177 00:09:53,680 --> 00:09:58,360 And it happened multiple times over a three day period, so I quit sleeping. 178 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:03,400 I couldn't tell anyone because I was intubated and I was really, really critical at this 179 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:04,920 point. 180 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:08,400 My fevers were like 107.5 degrees. 181 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:13,160 And I developed some pretty severe complications from all the surgeries. 182 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:16,560 I had a bunch of blood transfusions. 183 00:10:16,560 --> 00:10:18,400 My liver was shutting down. 184 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:19,960 It was pretty bad. 185 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:24,960 So for about three days, that would happen and I quit sleeping. 186 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:25,960 I was terrified. 187 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:32,240 And so the nurses eventually sedated me and I was able to sleep and then I didn't go 188 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:33,240 back into there. 189 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:34,920 And now looking back, I know it was a tunnel. 190 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:36,440 And I'm sure there was light at the end. 191 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:39,640 I just never got there because I would panic. 192 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:40,640 That's interesting. 193 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:43,640 Tell me how you felt like you were moving fast. 194 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:45,960 What was it that made it feel like that? 195 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:49,880 It was interesting because my hair wasn't moving in the wind or anything, but it's like, 196 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:53,680 it almost felt like you're being shot through a rocket. 197 00:10:53,680 --> 00:10:57,160 Or when you stick your head out a window of a car when you're driving really fast, like 198 00:10:57,160 --> 00:10:59,280 you just know there's this extreme speed. 199 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:04,360 But you were also kind of lifeless in a way that there was completely still. 200 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:05,360 There was no noise. 201 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:06,360 It was quiet. 202 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:10,480 But I could just tell that I was moving so fast. 203 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:15,640 And it was terrifying to me because I was still confused about what was happening. 204 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:18,520 Any idea where you were going? 205 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:19,520 Probably towards the light, I think. 206 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:22,840 I mean, I was really, really critical at this point. 207 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:23,840 Okay. 208 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:27,000 All right, well, keep going because I know there's more even than that. 209 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:32,520 At this point, I was in shock trauma, which is the very critical care unit of the hospital. 210 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:34,160 I was across the nurses station. 211 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:36,800 I had family that was with me a lot of the time. 212 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:40,680 And they would remark later we talked about it and they said that suddenly my face would 213 00:11:40,680 --> 00:11:42,320 get blank and there was no movement. 214 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:44,640 They could tell I wasn't there. 215 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:49,720 One of the experiences I had, I left my body and I found myself in a room that was very 216 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:50,720 tall. 217 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:51,720 There was no ceiling. 218 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:55,600 And it was different colors of light, almost iridescent. 219 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:57,560 And there was a door to the right. 220 00:11:57,560 --> 00:12:01,600 It was wood, but the top part was like I had a window to it. 221 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:05,480 You could see it was just this way you could see through the window. 222 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:10,160 And there was a tall, almost like a shelf or a ledge about 10 feet up. 223 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:11,800 And there was an older couple. 224 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:15,000 It was a man and a woman and they were sitting there. 225 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:21,520 And so I felt myself floating up towards them, which seemed completely normal and sat with 226 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:22,520 them. 227 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:28,440 And they told me that they worked in the critical care units of the hospital and they would 228 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:29,880 help the patients. 229 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:35,240 If they were going to pass away, then they would see God in the window of a door and 230 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:39,720 know that they were supposed to help that patient to pass on to get them to the other 231 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:40,720 side. 232 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:43,720 And if they weren't, they would help in their recovery here. 233 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:47,280 If the patient passed and they would comfort the family as well. 234 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:50,480 And so I was able to go with them to a couple of different rooms. 235 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:55,680 One was a young man that probably late teens or early twenties would have been in a car 236 00:12:55,680 --> 00:12:56,680 accident. 237 00:12:56,680 --> 00:12:59,840 He had a lot of the same life support of what I did. 238 00:12:59,840 --> 00:13:03,320 He had his parents and a sibling that were in the room with him. 239 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:06,080 And they knew that he was not going to make it. 240 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:11,040 And so they sat and put their hands on the shoulders of the family members and gave them 241 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:14,960 love to send all of their love to the family to comfort them. 242 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:17,920 And he did pass away at that point. 243 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:21,280 And so there was a couple of different experiences like that. 244 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:25,840 And I was able to see God in the door and he was beautiful. 245 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:32,960 He had these piercing blue eyes and like this just white, silvery hair that was just different 246 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:34,960 colors of light that we don't have here. 247 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:39,200 You know, it was very clean cut beard. 248 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:43,040 Just he emanated love like I've never seen here. 249 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:49,240 He knew every one of us and I could tell that he cared so deeply for everyone that was there. 250 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:52,880 So at one point I asked the nurses, I don't know, not the nurses, but angels. 251 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:54,960 I said, I don't know why I'm here still. 252 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:56,760 I'm obviously dying. 253 00:13:56,760 --> 00:13:59,440 I am extremely, extremely ill. 254 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:05,560 I had been packed in ice in my hospital room because I was so feverish and I couldn't get 255 00:14:05,560 --> 00:14:07,640 the fevers down. 256 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:13,400 And these two beings told me that before I came to this earth, I had agreed to take on 257 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:20,160 some of my younger brother's trials and that that's why my suffering was more so than it 258 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:22,000 would have been otherwise. 259 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:25,920 But that I was helping him with some obstacles that he would have in his life to take away 260 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:28,640 that pain from him basically. 261 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:32,360 And he was a teenager at the time and didn't have any trials. 262 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:40,520 But he did have a child later on that has some critical health issues. 263 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:45,560 And so I don't know if that's what it was, but I would do it again in the second for 264 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:46,560 my nephew. 265 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:47,560 Yeah. 266 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:51,960 I have a whole bunch of questions, but I'm fascinated by this. 267 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:54,960 So I would say just keep going. 268 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:57,520 We'll come back to all the questions. 269 00:14:57,520 --> 00:14:58,720 Okay. 270 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:04,400 And so the next one I can think of, there was two children that came to the end of my 271 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:09,720 bed, a little boy that had blonde crew hair and he's alive and a little girl that was 272 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:10,720 a little bit younger. 273 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:14,200 She had blonde straight hair and he's alive. 274 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:18,520 And then sometimes an older man would come with them that was in a gray suit. 275 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:19,520 And I didn't know who they were. 276 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:22,880 And so I tell my mom, there the kids are again. 277 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:23,880 And she'd say, who are they? 278 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:25,200 And I said, I don't know who they are. 279 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:27,560 She said, is the man your grandfather that's passed? 280 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:28,760 And I said, I don't know. 281 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:30,920 I don't know what he looks like. 282 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:35,560 And so they came quite a few times and eventually they didn't come again. 283 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:36,880 I didn't know who they were. 284 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:39,280 I was married at the time, but I didn't have any children. 285 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:40,280 Okay. 286 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:41,840 I want to make sure I get this. 287 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:47,520 So these, you're awake now when these children come to your room. 288 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:48,760 You're not out of your body. 289 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:49,760 You're in your body. 290 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:50,760 I am in my body. 291 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:51,760 You're not intubated anymore. 292 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:53,160 So you can talk. 293 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:54,160 Yeah. 294 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:57,600 And I'm probably balancing from place to place, but at this point, I was intubated 295 00:15:57,600 --> 00:15:58,600 for about two weeks. 296 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:01,560 This was when I was not intubated. 297 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:04,720 And these two children in spirit form show up in your room. 298 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:06,360 You're the only one that can see them. 299 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:07,360 Yeah. 300 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:09,280 I'm telling my mom, there they are. 301 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:10,280 And she's like, where? 302 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:11,480 I don't see any kids. 303 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:16,920 And she's freaking out because I'd been telling her, I was with grandma and my grandma's passed 304 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:18,000 away. 305 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:23,640 I'd tell them all these experiences and I'd write them down on paper when I was intubated. 306 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:27,560 So they knew stuff was happening, but they were pretty scared. 307 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:30,800 And sometimes a little boy had come by himself. 308 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:32,920 I just didn't know they were. 309 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:36,400 And so we joke about it because my husband was Portuguese. 310 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:37,400 He was dark. 311 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:40,840 He had dark eyes, dark hair, darker skin. 312 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:43,840 And so I'm kind of dark hair too. 313 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:46,400 And these kids were blonde. 314 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:48,520 So I did find out later who they were. 315 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:49,520 Okay. 316 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:51,760 Let's keep everybody in suspense on that one. 317 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:53,880 Let's come back to who the children are. 318 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:55,240 Sorry, listeners. 319 00:16:55,240 --> 00:17:02,280 I know you want to know right now, but I want to kind of go chronologically here as to what 320 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:04,040 all was going on. 321 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:08,880 So did your mom think that you're crazy or that they're giving you drugs that are making 322 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:09,880 you hallucinate? 323 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:14,240 Or does she really believe you because this is so real to you? 324 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:19,760 So I had a morphine pump that I could use whenever I wanted and I chose not to. 325 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:21,960 I hated how it made me feel. 326 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:24,720 I purposely would ask for no drugs. 327 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:30,160 The only time that we would use the pump is when I'd have to get up and walk because 328 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:35,800 when they'd gone in for the fourth surgery, which was I had leaders of abscesses, they 329 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:39,800 had positioned me wrong and I had to learn to walk again. 330 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:40,800 It caused foot drop. 331 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:44,080 They left my stomach open because it was shredding and I couldn't shut it. 332 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:46,280 So I just kind of packed it. 333 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:50,000 So when I'd walk, they would use the morphine pump, the nurse would. 334 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:53,840 It was pretty painful, but other than that, I was pretty lucid. 335 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:54,840 I'm a pretty honest person. 336 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:56,680 I don't come up with weird stuff like this. 337 00:17:56,680 --> 00:18:01,240 Sure, but people do hallucinate if they're on a lot of morphine or something, but you 338 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:02,240 weren't. 339 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:07,720 No, the only time I had a lot of narcotics in my system was when I'd gone for surgeries. 340 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:10,720 I would be obviously under. 341 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:15,120 But for the most part, I tried to not have any pain medication. 342 00:18:15,120 --> 00:18:16,800 And I would just hold really still. 343 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:18,800 I had so many machines attached to me. 344 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:22,640 It was hard to move anyways, but I was pretty lucid. 345 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:24,200 What else happened? 346 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:29,720 And so when I was at my worst, you know, when I was 105 degree fevering, I left my body 347 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:34,080 and I went to this building and it was really tall. 348 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:39,480 The doors were just probably 10 feet or more high and it had pillars on the front of it. 349 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:45,440 It kind of reminded me of like an ancient Greece building or one of the Middle East and 350 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:46,640 I found myself outside. 351 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:48,800 There was no one out there. 352 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:52,760 I did have a guide that would come with me tall. 353 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:56,600 He was always there when these experiences were happening and he was always behind my 354 00:18:56,600 --> 00:19:02,600 right shoulder and would just kind of be there with me and sometimes he would talk with me. 355 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:06,320 But he was there at that point and I thought, this is a really cool building. 356 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:10,280 And the next thing I knew I found myself inside of the building just popped into it. 357 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:12,160 I didn't go through a door. 358 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:14,200 I was just there. 359 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:19,080 And then we, when we got to the entrance, he took me to a room that was full of books 360 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:21,160 and I love Turried. 361 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:25,280 There was just thousands of books and they were, they filled the ceiling, you know, from 362 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:31,880 the ceiling to the floor and it was a round room with this gorgeous wood exterior everywhere 363 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:33,760 and there were scrolls. 364 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:38,320 And so he would open the scrolls and show me, let me stay there as long as I wanted to. 365 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:41,520 And I feel like this room was, to me, the room of knowledge. 366 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:43,000 There was so much knowledge in there. 367 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:49,080 But I was told that I'd forget some of my experiences once I returned to my body and 368 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:51,760 I don't know what was in those books. 369 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:57,280 But after we left that room, we went to the entrance again of this building and off to 370 00:19:57,280 --> 00:20:00,680 the right there was a desk but just past that was a podium. 371 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:06,120 But if you're giving a speaking, speaking to people and the podium had a small desk 372 00:20:06,120 --> 00:20:07,800 attached to it. 373 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:14,000 And as we walked towards it, the podium started to move to the left and there were stairs. 374 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:15,840 And I just went downstairs. 375 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:18,920 I just felt like I needed to be down there. 376 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:23,880 And when I got to the entrance to the downstairs, this building was downstone. 377 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:26,120 It was very ancient. 378 00:20:26,120 --> 00:20:29,600 And when I got down there, there was pools of water and waterfalls. 379 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:32,840 There was no plumbing like we'd have now or electricity. 380 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:38,760 But there was windows that went from the entire ceiling down a couple feet the entire way. 381 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:41,520 So it was very lit with light. 382 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:48,040 But I was told that the water was healing water and that it would help my soul to heal. 383 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:50,880 And there was a pool that I went and sat in. 384 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:51,880 And I could feel the water. 385 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:54,400 I could hear it lapping against the sides. 386 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:57,240 I can still hear the sound it made to this day. 387 00:20:57,240 --> 00:20:59,880 It was very calming. 388 00:20:59,880 --> 00:21:01,200 And I just would sit in the water. 389 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:03,200 I would go multiple times. 390 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:06,680 I was at my most sickest and then the most pain. 391 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:10,360 I would find myself in this area again. 392 00:21:10,360 --> 00:21:14,320 There was a waterfall there that was about five feet tall that at one point there was 393 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:17,520 a mother with her two children or a boy and a girl. 394 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:21,440 And they were just splashing in the water and having a good time. 395 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:25,960 And it was just such a beautiful scene to watch because there was so much love in this 396 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:26,960 room. 397 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:29,240 I could tell how much she left her children. 398 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:31,680 And my guide stayed with me whenever I was there. 399 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:34,280 And he told me that not everyone could be in that room. 400 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:39,600 That it was only for people that were pure that needed to heal and that the water would 401 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:40,600 heal them. 402 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:43,800 And if someone accidentally got in there, it wasn't supposed to. 403 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:45,040 The water would turn to mud. 404 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:51,760 And at one point it did turn to mud and flowed into a cave area behind where I was. 405 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:55,760 But the water was very, very, I guess, healing again. 406 00:21:55,760 --> 00:22:01,760 For me, it was probably one of my favorite experiences because I felt so much love there. 407 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:05,040 There was so much loving energy in the water itself. 408 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:11,240 So this place of the healing waters, since you've healed and come back, have you found 409 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:15,960 any place that looked like that or pictures of any place in the world that looked like 410 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:16,960 it? 411 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:20,560 If so, tell us so we can maybe go look it up and have an idea. 412 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:21,560 Yeah. 413 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:26,000 Actually, when I got out of the hospital, I went to the library because it was still, 414 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,480 you know, the internet wasn't huge back then. 415 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:33,560 I got every book on near-death experiences reading about anything that had anything to 416 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:35,040 do with water. 417 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:41,240 And I didn't find anything, but I would constantly search and a couple of years after I did find, 418 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:43,120 I would put everything into Google. 419 00:22:43,120 --> 00:22:44,840 I could think of trying to find it. 420 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:52,640 What I can see that's the most similar is it's in Jerusalem, it's the poles at St. Anzabethezda. 421 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:54,160 That's what it reminds me of. 422 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:58,160 It was just a very, very ancient-looking place. 423 00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:00,320 Everything was made of, like, sandstone. 424 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:05,400 It wasn't, you know, an elegant place with marble, but it was just so beautiful to me. 425 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:09,120 And then a couple of years ago, probably about two years ago, I saw Solomon's Temple, a picture 426 00:23:09,120 --> 00:23:10,440 of what they think that looked like. 427 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:12,840 And that's what the outside of the building looked like. 428 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:13,840 Very similar to that. 429 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:14,840 Really interesting. 430 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:15,840 Okay. 431 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:16,840 Is there more? 432 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:17,840 There is more. 433 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:18,840 Keep going. 434 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:26,840 So I, my grandmother had passed away, and I had a great-grandfather and an aunt that 435 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:30,600 had also passed away previous to my hospitalization. 436 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:34,520 And one point I found my A-self in my grandmother's backyard. 437 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:36,600 My grandfather was still alive. 438 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:39,680 And there was orbs in the back of the yard. 439 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:40,680 It was late at night. 440 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:42,080 You can see stars in the sky. 441 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:44,040 It was pretty quiet. 442 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:49,560 And these orbs were kind of almost going like this, just bouncing across the back of the 443 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:52,360 yard from the right to the left. 444 00:23:52,360 --> 00:23:55,000 And then three of the orbs were my grandparents. 445 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,080 They were separate orbs. 446 00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:59,520 My grandmother, my grandfather, and my aunt. 447 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:04,880 And the other orbs had, kind of reminds me of a lava lamp, as high as Blaineham. 448 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:09,040 Greens and blues and silvers that were just, just kind of moving around inside of them. 449 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:10,040 They were really pretty. 450 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:14,520 But my family members were in there, and I think it was more of a comfort to me to know 451 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:16,240 that I wasn't alone. 452 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:20,080 And I did spend more time with these family members in different times. 453 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:24,000 At one point, my aunt took me to her house. 454 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:27,600 And she actually lived across the street from my grandmother and showed me her husband, who 455 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:29,600 was still alive. 456 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:34,200 And showed me him falling in the hallway and passing from his fall. 457 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:38,240 And so I was frantically trying to tell my family, you need to go check on him. 458 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:41,800 And it took a couple of days to communicate with them to go check. 459 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:44,200 And when they did, he was fine. 460 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:50,040 He actually did pass away in that exact same spot, exactly how I saw it 15 years later, 461 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:53,040 which is very validating to me because I've been telling them he's going to, he's going 462 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:54,040 to die. 463 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:59,240 But it was exactly as I had seen it, but 15 years later. 464 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:02,320 So there's, there's a difference in time on the other side and there is here because 465 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:03,320 I don't have time. 466 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:04,320 Wow. 467 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:07,120 I was sad to be passed, but I was like, look, I finally, you know. 468 00:25:07,120 --> 00:25:09,960 I knew this was going to happen. 469 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:14,960 At one point I, I saw my grandmother and she said, you're going to be fine. 470 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:16,720 You just need to eat more. 471 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:17,960 And there was more to it than that. 472 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:21,760 So I said to my family, when they were telling me you need to live or transplant, I said, 473 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:22,760 oh no, I'm fine. 474 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:23,760 I just need to eat. 475 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:25,760 That's what grandma said. 476 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:26,760 Yeah. 477 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:28,480 Grandma said, I just need to eat more. 478 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:32,760 And it ended up being that when I got out of the hospital, I weighed 79 pounds. 479 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:38,360 And I, I was constantly eating off our food, trying to get some weight on me. 480 00:25:38,360 --> 00:25:41,120 At that point they're like, well, maybe just a little bit. 481 00:25:41,120 --> 00:25:44,960 And your grandparents had passed away prior to that, right? 482 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:46,120 And his grandmother had, yes. 483 00:25:46,120 --> 00:25:47,120 Yeah. 484 00:25:47,120 --> 00:25:48,120 Okay. 485 00:25:48,120 --> 00:25:49,120 Yeah. 486 00:25:49,120 --> 00:25:50,440 Her husband was still alive and he would come to the hospital and I would tell him about 487 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:53,120 her and he would say, tell her I love her and I miss her. 488 00:25:53,120 --> 00:25:58,160 So my family was pretty open to it because I don't make up stories enough. 489 00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:01,160 They knew if I was telling them stuff that it was accurate. 490 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:02,160 Yeah. 491 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:06,840 But I'd also be able to tell them stuff that I'd seen happen when I was out of my body 492 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:09,840 that they could, you know, they could verify. 493 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:15,280 At one point, my nurse had shot me up in bed and had his hands on my shoulders to get me 494 00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:16,280 ready to stand up to walk. 495 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:18,240 I had to walk every day. 496 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:22,960 And I left my body and was in a hallway behind him. 497 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:25,120 And I could see him shaking. 498 00:26:25,120 --> 00:26:27,880 He had one hand on my shoulder and another one snapping in front like the same. 499 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:29,000 Wake up, wake up. 500 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:30,000 Come back, come back. 501 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:34,760 And my mom was next to him and she was freaking out. 502 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:36,560 And I could see a 360 degree view. 503 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:40,360 I could see everything that was happening as I was behind him. 504 00:26:40,360 --> 00:26:44,960 And so for quite a few minutes, I sat and watched this hallway that I was in had these 505 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:49,960 oval or doors that were like, kind of like this or windows, I guess. 506 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:50,960 And they went, they stretched forever. 507 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:55,960 And at the end it was kind of lit up, but I didn't want to go back into my body. 508 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:57,840 And so I just sat and watched him for a few minutes. 509 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:02,120 And then I heard this voice, which I think was my guide that said, you need to go back. 510 00:27:02,120 --> 00:27:06,640 And so I thought, okay, well, I'll leave my body again when he's gone. 511 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,080 And so I popped back into my body. 512 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:12,840 And then he, you could see the look on his face that it turned from terror to relief. 513 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:16,520 And he said, we lost you there for a minute. 514 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:18,520 And I thought, yeah, I know. 515 00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:20,960 I didn't want to come back. 516 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,680 So then, you know, I said, you know where you are, what year is it? 517 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:24,680 Who's the president? 518 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:29,160 And I was able to answer the questions, but it was really hard to get back in my body. 519 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,200 You pop back in and it would kind of shock you. 520 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,760 Like he slammed back in type thing. 521 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:37,640 Let's talk about that for a minute. 522 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:41,200 Because a lot of people have explained to me what it's like leaving body. 523 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:47,440 It's kind of soft, lifting sort of process. 524 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:53,520 And often coming back into their body is described as being slammed back in. 525 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:57,280 And you're saying it was, for you, it was kind of a shock. 526 00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:01,160 Sometimes when I would come back in, I would, it was the jolt to me. 527 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:07,080 And it would take me a few minutes to realize I was back in my body. 528 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:10,200 My husband said at one point, he saw my whole body at lurch. 529 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:15,320 And before that, I'd been completely unmoving my face is blank. 530 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:19,720 And then all of a sudden I lurched in like this and looked around the room confused where 531 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:20,800 I was. 532 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:25,960 And then did these experiences just gradually go away or was there one time where you were 533 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:31,080 told specifically you have to go back and then that was the last time? 534 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:32,080 That did happen. 535 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:34,640 Yeah, there was multiple experiences. 536 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:38,720 I was able to go to my house and check on my husband and he was in bed. 537 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,600 I've been worried, you know, he's, I've been gone for a while. 538 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:42,600 It's two months. 539 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,000 And at this point, I'm going to make sure he's okay. 540 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:46,000 And he was. 541 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,240 And then I heard a voice say he'd come back. 542 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,440 The nurses are coming in. 543 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:56,320 But the time I was told that it wasn't my time, I found myself at what I call the entrance 544 00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:59,200 to heaven on both sides of this area. 545 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:03,080 There were thousands and thousands of beings that were lit. 546 00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:05,720 Basically, they were just pure light. 547 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:07,640 They had on these light type roads. 548 00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:13,240 And they were all different heights, but they were so vibrantly lit that I couldn't distinguish 549 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:15,480 facial features from any of them. 550 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:18,160 And they were on both sides of the entrance. 551 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:19,560 And I was with my guide. 552 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:25,720 And I knew very distinctly that if I got past the entrance to here, I could stay and I would 553 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:27,840 not have to come back to my body. 554 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:28,840 And that's what I wanted. 555 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:30,440 I did not want to be alive. 556 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:34,800 I was in profound pain and I was just done. 557 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:41,560 I felt such love on the other side that can't be experienced here that it was my goal to 558 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:43,600 stay there and not come back. 559 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:49,520 And I knew that my family would be sad, but it, to me, it was just, I couldn't. 560 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:51,920 I couldn't handle the pain and I wanted to be there. 561 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:58,240 So as we stood at the entrance, my guide was with me and we telepathically communicated. 562 00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:00,600 So he could understand and hear my thoughts. 563 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:05,320 But I thought to myself, I just need to get past there and I'm home free and I won't have 564 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:06,320 to return. 565 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:09,640 And I'll just tell him I'm going to go see my grandma for a little bit, just hang out 566 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:10,640 in the garden. 567 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,240 And then once I'm there, I won't come back. 568 00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:16,240 He could hear everything and understand. 569 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:19,640 But I was so desperate because I thought this is my chance. 570 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:25,800 And as soon as I thought those thoughts, I heard him say, it's not your time yet. 571 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:27,320 You have to go back. 572 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:31,320 And I immediately popped back in my body and it was devastating. 573 00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,080 And that was the last time? 574 00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:36,320 There was a couple of other times, but that was probably the last time. 575 00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:37,320 Yeah. 576 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:38,320 A couple of other experiences. 577 00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:40,240 Did you ever have a life review? 578 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:41,240 I didn't. 579 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:42,240 Yeah. 580 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:43,240 I'm, that I remember. 581 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:47,720 So it's always interesting to me when someone has a life review because I don't remember 582 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:48,720 one. 583 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:49,720 Well, that's okay. 584 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:51,240 Everybody's experience is different. 585 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:52,240 Yeah. 586 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:55,520 I don't know if it's because I was never going to stay there and it was just to reprieve from 587 00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:59,200 the pain or, I don't know, but yeah, I never had one. 588 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:03,840 Well when you and I talked previously and correct me if I'm wrong, I believe you told 589 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:08,200 me that sometimes you could almost control this when you were in the hospital. 590 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,240 If you were in a lot of pain, you could leave. 591 00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:11,240 Tell me about that. 592 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:14,240 Yeah, so my dad actually took FMLA. 593 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:19,760 He worked for the government and they were called to the hospital so often, my family, 594 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,680 because I would just go critical quite often. 595 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:27,600 And so they ended up just, my family decided to have someone there at all times to keep 596 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:29,480 an eye on me. 597 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:33,720 And so he would sit and read this book next to the bed and I would watch him. 598 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:37,240 And if he wasn't paying attention to me, I would pop out of my body. 599 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:39,240 It almost became like a game. 600 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:43,560 Like see if I can get away with it without them noticing I'm gone. 601 00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:47,640 And he never noticed I was gone because I wouldn't be gone for very long. 602 00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:52,520 But a lot of the times I would go to the healing waters or I would just be out. 603 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:57,920 The minute I left my body, I felt healthy and whole and young and there was no worries. 604 00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:02,520 Like on earth, you know, you worry about bills or everything, you know, there's always a 605 00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:03,800 worry for people. 606 00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:09,760 And once you leave your body, it's just absolute love and nothing worries you. 607 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:10,760 There's no pain. 608 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:14,480 And so I would pop out quite often when he was there. 609 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:19,680 For you, did you feel like those healing waters were healing your spirit or you physically 610 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:20,680 also? 611 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,280 I feel like I was being healed physically. 612 00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:26,920 I was told that I had a 4% chance of survival. 613 00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:31,200 And when the doctor, my main doctor would go in for surgery and say, I don't know what 614 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:34,920 I'm going to do, but I'll figure it out when I get in there. 615 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,160 And at one point I found myself in a field. 616 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:38,160 I was above the field. 617 00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:43,640 It was a grassy area of trees and there was, there were two white tents. 618 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:48,480 And as I kind of floated down towards the tents, I had my guide with me and there was 619 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:50,880 doctors in there and white lab coats. 620 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:55,920 And they had Petri dishes and microscopes and huge, huge medical books and they were 621 00:32:55,920 --> 00:33:00,120 all working together and they were working at a pretty rapid pace. 622 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:05,560 And my guide told me that the only reason I would survive is through faith alone and 623 00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:07,080 prayers. 624 00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:10,560 And so I knew that these, that the doctors didn't know what they were doing, but they 625 00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:14,840 were being almost fed the information of how to save me from the other side. 626 00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:20,920 And so I felt comfort in that, that they weren't alone as they were working to, to save me. 627 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:24,720 All right, we're going to get you back another time because I have a feeling there's a whole 628 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:30,080 bunch more to talk about, but we don't want to be hours and hours today. 629 00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:35,040 So if you don't mind, I'm going to jump into some question and answer, but be free to fill 630 00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:36,920 in whatever you want to. 631 00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:41,640 If there's something you want to say, I don't, I don't want to be cutting that off or cutting 632 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:42,640 it short or anything. 633 00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:43,640 Okay. 634 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:47,000 I want to go back to some of the sort of chronologically here. 635 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:48,000 Okay. 636 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:51,200 Before you were even in the hospital, you heard that voice telling you that you were going 637 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:52,200 to die soon. 638 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,160 Do you have any idea who that was? 639 00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:55,160 Yeah. 640 00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:56,160 It was my guide. 641 00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:58,360 And I felt him multiple times. 642 00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:00,360 He's, he's always around. 643 00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:02,280 I can tell him all these. 644 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:03,280 Still to this day. 645 00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:04,280 Yeah. 646 00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:05,280 Oh yeah. 647 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:09,280 Do you have any idea if this guide has any relation to you? 648 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:10,280 Friends, family? 649 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:17,880 Um, I, I think he was kind of, he's been there since my birth, but he's not related, um, 650 00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:18,880 ancestrally. 651 00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,440 It's almost like we made a pact before it came here that he would help me through this 652 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:23,800 life as high as I feel. 653 00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,600 Maybe you'll have your chance to help him sometime. 654 00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:27,600 Maybe so. 655 00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:28,600 Okay. 656 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:35,560 When you found yourself moving really fast and there was a man in a black tux, any idea 657 00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:37,400 who that was? 658 00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,960 I think he was a, a very far removed grandfather. 659 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:46,680 Um, I've looked through family pictures and I think that he was probably one of my great, 660 00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:48,800 great, great type grandfathers. 661 00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,880 Now I promised our listeners we would come back to this. 662 00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:56,320 Let's talk about the two children and the man in the gray suit. 663 00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:57,320 Okay. 664 00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:01,560 So when I was released from the hospital, it took about two years to recover and learn 665 00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:02,560 to walk again. 666 00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:05,080 I had to learn to walk and talk and my hair had fallen out. 667 00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:07,560 It was quite ghastly. 668 00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:09,480 So it took about two years to recover. 669 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:12,080 And by that point, I was pretty healthy for the most part. 670 00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:17,520 I'd gained back the weight and I had the reversal surgeries and was doing quite well. 671 00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:22,920 And then I had one more surgery, which where I did a tummy tuck, um, to remove the scar 672 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:24,640 and fix it kind of. 673 00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:28,520 And I went pretty critical with that and left my body for the last time I floated above 674 00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:33,160 it when I was being given a bussing before I went in for another surgery. 675 00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:36,440 And I was told that would be the last time that would leave my body than it was the last 676 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:37,440 time. 677 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:42,920 It was almost just such a profound gift to, um, experience that love on the other side 678 00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:43,920 one more time. 679 00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:49,880 Um, but shortly after that, I did heal significantly after that and did knee surgery. 680 00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:55,880 And I was sitting down on the couch one day watching TV and I heard my guide tell me your 681 00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:57,600 body will not support a pregnancy. 682 00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:00,280 I thought, well, that's obvious. 683 00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:06,600 And I was told if I wanted to become a mother that we would need to adopt and that that's 684 00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:08,480 how I would find my children. 685 00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:15,160 And so at that point, um, I was 23 and you had to be 25 to adopt from Guatemala. 686 00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:17,520 That was the country that we had chosen to adopt from. 687 00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:20,000 I'm way too many years to wait for that. 688 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:25,200 And during that time, they actually closed the adoptions down and I decided that we would 689 00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:26,200 do foster care. 690 00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:30,040 And just in the meantime, I didn't know you could really adopt through foster care, but 691 00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:31,800 I, I just wanted to be a mom. 692 00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:36,080 I was healthy and I, you know, just wanted to enjoy my life with kids. 693 00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:43,360 And so we did do foster care and foster 25 kids and the third child I had, I got a phone 694 00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:46,960 call for, it was on Halloween. 695 00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:52,320 They said we have a 20, 20 month old boy and a little six week old girl. 696 00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,640 And I heard that guy say it's the boy. 697 00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:57,240 And I said, well, put us in committee for both. 698 00:36:57,240 --> 00:37:01,720 Cause it's an adoption committee where they choose, you know, different families. 699 00:37:01,720 --> 00:37:06,080 And about a week later, I got a call that we had been chosen for this little boy. 700 00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:10,920 And when I went to pick him up, it was in the middle of winter and he had this little 701 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:17,960 blue and white plaid hat on like a fleece hat that covered all of his hair and a blue 702 00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:19,640 puffer coat on. 703 00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:24,720 And I got him home and took off his hat and he had curly blonde hair and he's a Lise. 704 00:37:24,720 --> 00:37:26,280 And that was for the little boy. 705 00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:28,640 So what's his name? 706 00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:29,920 His name is Isaac. 707 00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:34,840 So we fostered him for about a year and a half, not knowing if it would go to adoption 708 00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:36,360 or not. 709 00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:41,200 And I was able to develop a really good relationship with his birth mom. 710 00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:46,240 And I felt that was important that I wanted an open adoption so she knew that he was loved 711 00:37:46,240 --> 00:37:50,360 and that she could see that he was safe and she didn't have to worry. 712 00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:54,560 And so we ultimately did end up adopting him a year and a half later. 713 00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:55,560 He's 24 now. 714 00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:57,840 He's definitely that little boy. 715 00:37:57,840 --> 00:37:59,640 The hair, it was him. 716 00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:04,720 It was very, very like, it was like being shocked in the gut when I saw him. 717 00:38:04,720 --> 00:38:06,760 I just knew it was him. 718 00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:10,680 So we fostered many, many children after him. 719 00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:14,840 One stayed for almost two years and then went back to his parents. 720 00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:19,200 And so a couple of years later, I was thinking, well, you know, I think that this little girl 721 00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:22,160 is supposed to be coming, but I don't see her. 722 00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:25,640 And so when I was driving, I said to my guide, is she coming? 723 00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:28,200 Do I see things that aren't going to happen? 724 00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:31,400 And I heard his voice say, it's not time yet. 725 00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:36,200 So I thought, okay, at least there's an answer there. 726 00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:40,720 And in June of 2005, I woke up one morning and I just, I knew she was coming. 727 00:38:40,720 --> 00:38:42,600 I just knew it. 728 00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:46,120 And I got a call a couple of hours later from the adoption committee that we've been chosen 729 00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:49,080 for an 11-week-old baby girl. 730 00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:50,960 All I knew about her was her name. 731 00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:51,960 And that's it. 732 00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:57,000 And so when I picked her up from the foster home, she had orange peach fuzz hair and these 733 00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:05,480 gray dark eyes and that was babies, not very healthy looking, but as she got healthier with 734 00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:10,280 us, her eyes, when she was about five months, a little turned to that hazel color and her 735 00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:12,160 hair turned blonde as it grew in. 736 00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:16,680 And she's definitely that, that baby that I saw is a top. 737 00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:19,480 She was probably about six months old. 738 00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:22,000 That's the girl. 739 00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:23,000 What's her name? 740 00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:24,000 Her name is Sienna. 741 00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:25,000 It's awesome. 742 00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:26,640 And the man in the gray suit? 743 00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:27,640 I don't know. 744 00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:28,640 Don't know. 745 00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:29,640 Okay. 746 00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:33,560 I don't know if he was kind of like a guide that brought them to watch over them. 747 00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:36,040 I don't know who he is. 748 00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:41,160 You also mentioned just very briefly, you were with grandma. 749 00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:42,660 What was going on there? 750 00:39:42,660 --> 00:39:44,560 I was really close to my grandparents growing up. 751 00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:48,560 They lived a couple of blocks away from me and so I spent a lot of time with them. 752 00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:54,280 And so it makes complete sense to me that she was there with me to protect me and come 753 00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:58,080 for me and just be with me when I was leaving my body. 754 00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:01,120 I felt her multiple times before and after this experience. 755 00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:06,560 And so I know that she's around me, but I think she was sent especially because it would 756 00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:08,840 take away the worry of not knowing what was going on. 757 00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:15,040 And when I would leave my body, I didn't, I felt more at home there than I did here. 758 00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:19,440 There's just this profound sense of going home whenever I'd leave. 759 00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,200 And so having her there was definitely comforting. 760 00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:24,280 Tell me a little bit more about the tall building. 761 00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:28,560 What was the whole thing, a library or just that one room? 762 00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:31,080 Just that room and what I could tell. 763 00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:34,320 What do you think the rest of the building was used for? 764 00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:40,120 The area in the very beginning when you walked in, it was, there was a shelf on the wall 765 00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:41,120 that people could read. 766 00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:43,520 There was chairs and people were reading a lot of them. 767 00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:48,160 So I think it was a, I call it the building of knowledge and healing. 768 00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:51,720 And I think that everyone kind of has their own experience with that if they go to those 769 00:40:51,720 --> 00:40:52,720 buildings. 770 00:40:52,720 --> 00:40:56,160 But for me, it definitely to me helped all the knowledge. 771 00:40:56,160 --> 00:41:00,800 And I've heard, you know, Akashic records maybe, but it was, if you needed knowledge, 772 00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:01,800 that's where you went. 773 00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:05,000 And so the people that were there in the main entrance, they were just reading books and 774 00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:09,920 gaining knowledge and getting their questions answered. 775 00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:14,040 I thought it was kind of funny that you described the door, but then said, she didn't used it. 776 00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:15,720 You just sort of appeared inside. 777 00:41:15,720 --> 00:41:17,760 Like, what's the door for? 778 00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:19,960 Yeah, I don't know. 779 00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:23,840 But I did think it was really cool that I could just pop through and be inside. 780 00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:26,400 I mean, we don't get that experience here. 781 00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:27,400 Yeah. 782 00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:28,400 Okay. 783 00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:31,640 Now there is something that I, I admit, I really don't understand. 784 00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:36,760 I have a long ways to go on this one particular topic I'm going to ask you about. 785 00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:40,200 And that is orbs. 786 00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:43,360 And some people see them, some people don't. 787 00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:49,760 When they see them like you did, there's usually like they see somebody in it. 788 00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:52,720 I don't get why people are in orbs. 789 00:41:52,720 --> 00:41:53,720 Enlighten me. 790 00:41:53,720 --> 00:41:56,120 Tell me more about the orbs or what you know. 791 00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:57,120 Yeah. 792 00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:59,960 That's probably what I know the least about. 793 00:41:59,960 --> 00:42:04,200 I know that people lately have been saying they're seeing orbs in different parts of 794 00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:05,400 the United States. 795 00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:06,600 I don't know a lot about them. 796 00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:10,960 I, for me, it was just very comforting to see them in a place that held a lot of good 797 00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:11,960 memories to me. 798 00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,760 When I think back about it, I don't know why they were in orbs. 799 00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:16,360 Cause you could just see their face. 800 00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:17,360 You couldn't see their body. 801 00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:21,560 And at a time I thought, well, it's a little bit odd, but it was kind of a cool experience 802 00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:24,840 because I felt like time was suspended. 803 00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:27,960 Like it didn't exist in that moment. 804 00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:32,760 And there was a different feeling of energy there than there generally was in my experiences. 805 00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:36,400 It was like you're in delt in a loving hug. 806 00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:38,120 Tell me more about that. 807 00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:40,800 How do you feel that when you're looking at an orb? 808 00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:45,560 Well those are especially because those were people that had a profound amount of time 809 00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:51,240 in my childhood and I'd missed all three of these family members quite a bit. 810 00:42:51,240 --> 00:42:54,680 So seeing them there and knowing that they're not here on this earth, but they're still 811 00:42:54,680 --> 00:43:00,920 there and there's, I will see them again and that they're safe was something I needed for 812 00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:01,920 me. 813 00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:02,920 I struggled a lot. 814 00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:07,440 In fact, when I first got sick, the doctors had said, you're just depressed because your 815 00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:08,440 grandma just died. 816 00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:09,680 And I was like, no, that's not it. 817 00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:13,960 I mean, pretty upset about that, but these symptoms are kind of scary. 818 00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:18,160 So having them there again was such a gift to me. 819 00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:24,040 And it was just something that was so important for me to feel safe. 820 00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:30,600 Next, tell me a little bit more about the angels that you saw at the entrance to heaven. 821 00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:36,360 I was told that they were family members, ancestors, and there was thousands of them. 822 00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:41,240 I could tell that they were there almost to greet me and that they all had a sense of 823 00:43:41,240 --> 00:43:46,200 knowing me from before and that they all loved me, that it was their goal to make sure that 824 00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:52,640 I was loved very much and that I knew that they watched over me. 825 00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:59,400 And so they all have a different job in order to help us on earth, but they all seem to 826 00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:00,400 know who I was. 827 00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:02,120 And there's just thousands of them. 828 00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:06,000 I thought, well, you know, I have a big family and so it makes sense, but I could tell there's 829 00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,680 multi, multi generations of ancestors there. 830 00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:14,480 Okay, lastly, I want to get back to the door that had the window. 831 00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:18,240 If I hope I got that right, that you saw God through. 832 00:44:18,240 --> 00:44:19,240 Tell me more about that. 833 00:44:19,240 --> 00:44:22,960 It's funny because it was just a normal door. 834 00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:26,280 Almost like if you go to high school and they have the doors at the windows. 835 00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:30,080 So you can look into the classroom and kind of reminded me of that. 836 00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:32,480 So it wasn't this like spectacularly golden door or anything. 837 00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:34,320 It was just a wooden door. 838 00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:38,280 You could see the light through it because God was just light. 839 00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:41,080 Like his energy was just pure love and light. 840 00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:42,880 And so everything around there was lit up. 841 00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:48,680 The room was just so bright and it's, there was more love in that room with him than I've 842 00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:52,120 ever experienced anywhere in and he knew me and I knew him. 843 00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:55,000 And I'm not a particularly religious person. 844 00:44:55,000 --> 00:45:00,920 I was raised in a very strict religious household, but I've been more spiritual my entire life. 845 00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:05,680 But seeing him there, I just, I could feel his love and I knew that he knew me as a person 846 00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:12,640 and that he had always known me and that my healing was something that he was profoundly 847 00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:13,640 involved in. 848 00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:16,760 But the amount of love was just incredible. 849 00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:17,920 Explain the love. 850 00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:22,400 You could take your best day on earth, like the birth of your child or your best vacation 851 00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:24,120 and multiply it a million times. 852 00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:29,200 And it would not even come close to the amount of love that you feel on the other side. 853 00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:30,400 Nothing compares to it here. 854 00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:36,000 And it, it makes it hard to be on this earth sometimes because life is hard, you know, 855 00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,160 we have our struggles, everyone does. 856 00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:42,040 And I think back to when I was out on my body and didn't have the struggles. 857 00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:46,400 And so sometimes it's definitely hard to be here and go through the trials that we have 858 00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:47,400 here. 859 00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:50,080 But I think this is a classroom for us and we're here to learn. 860 00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:53,200 And in the grounds scheme of things, we're not here for a long time, but it feels like 861 00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:55,760 we are when we're in the thick of it. 862 00:45:55,760 --> 00:46:00,600 But once we leave here, we do return to that home, which is our home. 863 00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:03,360 This is just a stop on the way there. 864 00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:08,480 Okay, Heather, I really appreciate you spending all this time with me today. 865 00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:10,160 And I can tell there's a whole lot more. 866 00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:14,040 Like I said a few minutes ago, we're going to have to circle back in a while and have 867 00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:15,880 sort of a part two. 868 00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:25,280 But there is one person listening today and you know who you are that is struggling with, 869 00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:26,840 I don't know about death. 870 00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:28,320 I don't know about an afterlife. 871 00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:29,440 I don't know about God. 872 00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:34,120 I don't know, you know, just struggling. 873 00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:37,080 Please say something to that one person. 874 00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:42,400 I've found since this experience that when people are sick and getting ready to pass 875 00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:47,400 away that I want to be with them to tell them how much love there is waiting for them. 876 00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:50,800 Each person on this earth is profoundly known and loved. 877 00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:55,160 And sometimes we feel alone, but we are definitely known on the other side. 878 00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:56,320 We're seeing a one of us. 879 00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:58,360 We are so loved. 880 00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:05,680 And sometimes things get overwhelmingly hard here and we want to just check out. 881 00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:09,520 But we're here for a reason, even if we don't know what it is. 882 00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:12,680 And there's nothing to be afraid of when we leave this earth. 883 00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:17,480 It's like stepping from one room into another and being greeted by every person that loves 884 00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:21,000 you and like you're at your own party. 885 00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:26,560 And so if I can say anything to anyone, I don't want people to be scared of death. 886 00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:28,320 It's not a scary thing. 887 00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:31,080 It's just there's so much love involved in it. 888 00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:35,800 Once we get to their side, we'll be able to see that, but we are very loved. 889 00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:38,000 That is a beautiful message of hope. 890 00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:39,000 Thanks again, Heather. 891 00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:40,000 I really appreciate it. 892 00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:41,000 Thanks for having me. 893 00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:42,000 I appreciate it. 894 00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:47,440 Thanks again for listening and sharing this podcast. 895 00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:53,520 Don't forget to hit the follow or subscribe button and sign up for our newsletter at roundtriptest.com. 896 00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:57,800 If you want to share your near-death experience or if you have questions or comments about 897 00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:02,160 the show, send an email to ericatroundtriptest.com. 898 00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:29,720 Until then, I wish you everything good that you're looking for in this life and the next.