1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:08,400 From the time that they pronounced me deaf was a good 45 minutes. 2 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:13,440 They cut my clothes and then they paddled my heart, my heart had stopped. 3 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:18,120 And I could see people screaming and crying, but I didn't realize that was actually my 4 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:21,320 physical body because I was somewhere else. 5 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:27,400 The only thing that I could feel, if you could imagine, absolute love and peace, there wasn't 6 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:29,400 anything else to be felt. 7 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:32,520 I was greeted by people I'd known in the past. 8 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:34,160 I'm back home again. 9 00:00:34,160 --> 00:00:39,040 Incredibly safe and felt at home. 10 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:41,800 Welcome, welcome to Round Trip Death, everybody. 11 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:45,560 And to our very special guest today, Kate Kway. 12 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:47,240 Is that how you say your last name? 13 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:49,360 Yeah, it is. 14 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:54,760 It's funny because you can also be pronounced key if you're from the UK. 15 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:58,360 So sometimes people call me key, but yeah, it's Kway. 16 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:00,480 I'm going to pretend I'm from the UK. 17 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:01,980 All right, key. 18 00:01:01,980 --> 00:01:04,480 No, we'll go with Kate. 19 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:07,080 If I accidentally call you Katie, that's my fault. 20 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:11,160 I have a daughter named Katie, so don't be shocked if that happens. 21 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:12,160 It's okay. 22 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:16,120 I grew up as a Katie and I changed to Kate in college because I thought it was fancier. 23 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:17,560 So totally fine. 24 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:19,360 I was Katie growing up. 25 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:20,920 It's so much more mature. 26 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:22,640 Yes, it is. 27 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:27,240 And you're mature now because you've got kids, including a new baby. 28 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:28,520 Tell us about it. 29 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:31,800 Yeah, so I'm a wife and a mom. 30 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:34,920 I've got two little girls, one's three and a half. 31 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:36,400 One is two months old. 32 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:41,120 Gosh, my two month old, she's just the smileiest, happiest little baby. 33 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:43,360 So the first time around, it's pretty rough. 34 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:47,320 And the second time I'm like, yes, I'm going to enjoy this. 35 00:01:47,320 --> 00:01:49,360 Second time you're around, you're a pro. 36 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:50,360 Yeah, absolutely. 37 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:56,080 I'm like, oh, I can read her signals really well and blowouts, whatever. 38 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:59,280 It's totally fine. 39 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:03,080 And just assume when you're going anywhere, it's going to take 20 minutes to actually 40 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:04,640 get into the car. 41 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:07,280 Things like that that you learn the first time around. 42 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:12,600 But anyway, this podcast is not baby talk, although that would be fun. 43 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:14,920 We talk about near death experiences. 44 00:02:14,920 --> 00:02:17,640 And I'm going to give our audience a little heads up. 45 00:02:17,640 --> 00:02:22,680 Normally, the majority of the experiences we talk about are the traditional. 46 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:28,920 We can actually document somebody's heart stopped, they were resuscitated, came back, 47 00:02:28,920 --> 00:02:33,560 and they can remember things that happened to them while they were clinically dead and 48 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:35,120 on the other side. 49 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:36,120 You haven't died yet. 50 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:38,320 No, not that I know of. 51 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:45,000 So I don't know if we want to call this an NDE, OBE, and STE or whatever we feel like 52 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:47,400 it really doesn't matter. 53 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:54,760 The fact is that these kinds of spiritual experiences or experiences with the spirit 54 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:59,120 world can happen whether we die or not. 55 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:05,640 In fact, if you study scripture, you will see accounts in there. 56 00:03:05,640 --> 00:03:10,280 So there's some homework if anyone feels like doing it. 57 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:17,640 So Kate, you've already told us you're mom, you live in Reno, right? 58 00:03:17,640 --> 00:03:18,840 Yeah, yeah. 59 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:20,680 We've been here a few years. 60 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:23,480 We're big mountain outdoor people. 61 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:26,600 And my gosh, it's just like a little mecca for outdoor living. 62 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:28,640 It's really amazing. 63 00:03:28,640 --> 00:03:33,800 Big mountain biker, trail runner, fly fishing, camping, all the good stuff. 64 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:40,120 Outside of that, I've been working in the outdoor cycling industry for, gosh, I was 65 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:41,120 trying to do the math last night. 66 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:43,120 I was like 15 years. 67 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:53,160 So a long time, I've been working with bikes doing the nerdy stuff, so data analytics, planning. 68 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:58,760 And most recently started doing education around UX design. 69 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:01,760 So yeah, it's been a journey. 70 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:08,280 I love working in areas and places that I'm passionate about. 71 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:13,640 For those that don't know what UX design is, go ahead and give us the 30 second, what is 72 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:14,640 it? 73 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:17,800 Yeah, it's called user experience design. 74 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:25,720 And it's basically data and researched method to making digital products more intuitive and 75 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:26,720 user friendly. 76 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:31,000 So, you know, you probably know this when you've been on a website that just kind of 77 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:35,600 sucks and you can't find what you need and you get so frustrated and you just leave. 78 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:37,400 That is a bad user experience. 79 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:42,080 So my job would be to go in and say, hey, what are you trying to do and make that more 80 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:43,520 intuitive and easy to do? 81 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:49,400 Yeah, I think the big thing, Eric, is that after this spiritual transformation in my 82 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:55,600 life, I realized like, hey, I don't want to just help people sell more products that aren't 83 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:59,800 going to bring them more light and love and energy into the world. 84 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:05,280 So my big thing is wanting to change my career and help people. 85 00:05:05,280 --> 00:05:13,240 And so I've took the leap of faith and started a UX consultant brand called Expand UX. 86 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:15,400 So you can find me on expandux.com. 87 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:21,280 And yeah, I'm just here to help individuals and brands make their products more intuitive 88 00:05:21,280 --> 00:05:24,200 and easy to use so we can just get the message out. 89 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:25,200 Very cool. 90 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:29,000 Yeah, you don't want that website or that app to stand in the way. 91 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:30,000 Yeah, absolutely. 92 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:33,080 It should be a gateway and a tool. 93 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:39,600 And it drives me crazy if I have to click 10 times on a site to get where I want to 94 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:40,600 go. 95 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:41,600 Yeah. 96 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:42,600 Right? 97 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:43,600 It should be once or twice. 98 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:44,920 Okay, enough about that. 99 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:46,480 You had an unusual experience. 100 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:48,960 I'm going to just let you jump into it. 101 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:52,920 This has not been very long ago, but there was trauma in your life. 102 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:54,920 Go ahead and tell us what happened. 103 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:57,520 Yeah. 104 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:07,160 My friend was murdered a few years back now and it shattered me. 105 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:10,560 It changed my life entirely. 106 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:16,440 But I think that the beauty that has come out of that trauma is, that's what I'm here 107 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:18,080 to share today. 108 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:25,360 I've had one specific very spiritual transformative experience, but I've also had a series of 109 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:30,480 synchronicities and miracles that have really fully transformed my life. 110 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:39,120 And so out of this trauma, I can say that my life has been changed entirely and entirely 111 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:40,760 for the better. 112 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:49,600 And that is so important for me to share with the world because everyone's going to encounter 113 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:57,240 these really hard things in their life and there is the possibility of finding joy and 114 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:00,000 love and peace out of those really dark moments. 115 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:01,000 Yeah. 116 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:05,760 Let me just interject with, there are some commonalities there to regular NDEs. 117 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:07,920 People are changed. 118 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:13,440 And they often give up their old job or things about their old life that they don't like. 119 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:15,640 And you didn't have to die for that to happen. 120 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:17,760 And that's actually a really good thing. 121 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:19,640 So let's jump into it. 122 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:25,560 The way I found out about my friend's death was, I think was part of it too. 123 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:33,480 I had been messaging her and I got radio silence and I was like, hey, where is this person? 124 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:37,200 And I got the phone call. 125 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:44,280 The day after she was killed, I got the phone call saying, hey, we've found your friend. 126 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:49,000 And I just collapsed, I was just a mess. 127 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:52,320 And it was really, really difficult. 128 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:57,600 And that night I went to bed and I was just like, how am I ever going to go to sleep? 129 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:06,320 And while I did eventually fall asleep and while I was asleep, I had this most profound 130 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:09,080 dream. 131 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:12,880 And I guess as a disclaimer, at the time I was an atheist. 132 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:18,120 I'd grown up in the Lutheran church, but a lot of young people in college, I had kind 133 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:24,880 of turned away from my trust in Christianity and in faith. 134 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:28,880 And there's nothing wrong with a per se, but I definitely was like a hardcore atheist 135 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:31,080 of like, there's nothing after we die. 136 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:35,760 And so the fact that this person that I cared about was dead in this way, it was just very 137 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:38,640 hard for me to kind of wrap my head around. 138 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:50,320 So anyways, I'm having this dream and I'm in this space and it's like this house of where 139 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:57,440 these souls are kind of, it's like a halfway house, this transition period between earth 140 00:08:57,440 --> 00:08:58,760 and the spirit world. 141 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:02,640 And these spirits are moving in and out and it's almost like this place where you can 142 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:04,880 go and communicate. 143 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:11,040 And I was in this nice little cozy corner with my friend. 144 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:16,240 And now looking back, I can recognize that we were both our light bodies. 145 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:20,160 So like I've recognized her, but we weren't our physical selves. 146 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:22,520 We were light beings. 147 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:29,080 And it was like the most warm and beautiful and joyful interaction. 148 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:33,640 Like you'd think that after someone died, like it wouldn't be joyful, but it was just 149 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:36,000 filled with love. 150 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:39,760 And I can still feel that love today. 151 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:43,020 It's almost like we were instantly there and we just started talking. 152 00:09:43,020 --> 00:09:47,360 And she told me, you're an amazing mother. 153 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:48,360 You're an amazing mother. 154 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:50,320 I had my first daughter at that time. 155 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:52,120 She was a newborn. 156 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:58,200 And I just remember feeling this really strong message about how my motherhood was going 157 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:01,440 to be really important in my life. 158 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:06,040 And then I remember telling her, you would have been such a great mother because she 159 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:07,600 really would have. 160 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:11,640 And she just lit up and she was just like, I know, I know, I know. 161 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:17,960 And I think that looking back now, I understand the message she was trying to tell me was 162 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:21,920 that my connection with her mom was going to be important too and kind of being that 163 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:25,080 conduit to give peace to her mom too. 164 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:28,480 It's like this whole message of motherhood was really important. 165 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:37,840 And then after that conversation, she told me very directly, like, I'm okay and I'm 166 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:39,640 not alone. 167 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:47,000 After she said that, I woke up, I was just instantly out and I just woke up just sobbing. 168 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:48,000 Wow. 169 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:49,360 A couple of questions. 170 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:51,960 How long was this after she died? 171 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:55,240 This was 24 hours after she died. 172 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:57,440 Oh, so right after. 173 00:10:57,440 --> 00:11:00,160 So this was a very fresh wound. 174 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:01,160 Yes. 175 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:02,520 For your soul. 176 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:06,840 How is this different than just a regular dream that we have sometimes? 177 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:08,440 That's a good question, Eric. 178 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:13,600 And I know I hear you ask that a lot to people and it's like, regular dreams, they come and 179 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:18,600 they go and they don't feel significant and they don't feel real. 180 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:21,080 Like, you know that you're dreaming. 181 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:25,680 And in this case, like the, you know, I'm a very physically sensitive person. 182 00:11:25,680 --> 00:11:31,800 I can feel a lot of stuff and I can just feel that this was different and like I can go 183 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:38,000 back and I can still put myself in that situation like it was, like it was yesterday. 184 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:45,880 But because I was an atheist, I spent an entire year thinking it was just my brain. 185 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:48,000 Thinking, oh, you know, I was grieving. 186 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:50,680 Of course I had that dream. 187 00:11:50,680 --> 00:11:51,680 That's not real. 188 00:11:51,680 --> 00:11:54,400 Like she wouldn't, she couldn't come and talk to me. 189 00:11:54,400 --> 00:12:01,080 I knew that it was significant enough that I kind of like held onto it that full year. 190 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:05,760 But I didn't want to believe it because I almost was afraid that if someone or something 191 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:10,360 were to tell me it wasn't real, then my hope would be shattered. 192 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:11,360 Does that make sense? 193 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:12,360 Yeah. 194 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:13,960 You knew it was real. 195 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:16,200 You wanted to make sure it stayed that way. 196 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:18,360 What changed after a year? 197 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:21,000 Well it was the anniversary of her death. 198 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:27,760 The big thing, the big driver of this actually was, you know, I went into therapy maybe six 199 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:30,880 months or eight months before. 200 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:38,440 My therapist finally was able to like broach the topic of death. 201 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:42,800 So like I really had this strong fear. 202 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:46,680 Like I would have panic attacks when we would start talking about death. 203 00:12:46,680 --> 00:12:49,440 Like that's how afraid I was of it. 204 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:54,960 And so it started in therapy of like her being like, hey, what do you think happens when 205 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:55,960 we die? 206 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:59,600 I was like, well, I don't want to talk about that. 207 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:00,600 That sounds awful. 208 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:02,840 And so that's how you know there's something there. 209 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:07,120 So anyways, we were able to kind of bring it up and she was able to probe a little bit 210 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:11,320 and it kind of opened the gateway for me to realize that there was something there that 211 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:12,960 it needs to work on. 212 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:19,040 When you, I believe now when you have a fear, when you have this resistance to something, 213 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:23,400 that means there's something there that's juicy that you can kind of dig into that like 214 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:28,040 you need to work on that's going to help you open your love, open your heart and expand 215 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:29,040 your consciousness. 216 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:32,120 And so now I know that there was something really juicy there. 217 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:39,000 So it kind of, my therapist kind of primed me to be ready to be open to having that conversation. 218 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:43,520 As a follow up, you know, around the time of my friend's death anniversary, you know, 219 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:47,960 everyone's kind of calling each other and checking in to how are you doing? 220 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:55,240 And this one person called me and for some reason I just felt safe telling her about 221 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:56,240 my dream. 222 00:13:56,240 --> 00:14:01,800 Like I don't know what caused me to tell her, but I did. 223 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:06,040 I just felt compelled and I felt, I think the biggest thing is felt safe. 224 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:12,560 When I shared that with her, she had these tears in her eyes and she was like, Kate, 225 00:14:12,560 --> 00:14:13,760 I believe you. 226 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:18,400 I believe you and I believe that your friend came and it came to see you. 227 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:26,200 It was just like this, this wave washed through me of like relief and hope. 228 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:35,480 And the big thing for me too is like the thought of my friend dying in the way that she did, 229 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:41,880 you know, when she was so loved that she was alone and that she was scared and that like 230 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:48,200 that to me, even to this day, like knowing where she is and how loved and held as she 231 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:50,560 is and how much she's still with us. 232 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:55,960 But it still hurts, you know, and my friend was like, hey, you should look in in your 233 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:57,440 death experiences. 234 00:14:57,440 --> 00:15:03,360 So not only did she validate my dream or my spiritual encounter, she said, hey, you should 235 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:05,520 check out in your death experiences. 236 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:09,840 You know, I heard that the, she said, I heard that the dying process is like really beautiful 237 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:15,040 and peaceful and I was like, whatever, whatever, I don't believe that. 238 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:21,400 But I felt something, I felt something like hope for the first time in a year and excitement 239 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:22,400 and excitement. 240 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:29,280 So, you know, I, I hopped online and I, I think that night I downloaded my Kindle. 241 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:31,360 I think it's called many lives, many masters. 242 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:36,640 I can't remember it's the psychologist who like hypnotized his patients. 243 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:41,200 And then I also bought the Alexander Eben book. 244 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:45,040 I can't remember what it's called either, but his, his work's amazing. 245 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:53,960 And then finally I found your podcast and basically Eric ever since I've been on a binge 246 00:15:53,960 --> 00:16:01,240 of spiritual material every single day and it's, it's, it's just like completely transformed 247 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:02,560 my life. 248 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:07,760 When someone believe in the afterlife and be an atheist, do you have to believe in God 249 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:09,880 to believe in an afterlife? 250 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:11,960 What a profound question. 251 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:20,120 In my opinion, the word God is very heavy, which it doesn't need to be, but we've made 252 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:26,120 it this way and because people have a lot of baggage, emotional baggage when it comes 253 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:28,440 to religion. 254 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:34,160 And so when you say God and afterlife, it's like almost like they have to be married. 255 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:39,960 In my opinion, to believe in an afterlife, it just means you have to believe in something 256 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:46,440 higher than yourself and some like that there is something greater than yourself that exists 257 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:47,840 out there. 258 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:55,160 So whether or not that is God explicitly, you know, I, yeah, I don't know. 259 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:57,160 What do you think Eric? 260 00:16:57,160 --> 00:17:02,120 I asked you the question. 261 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:03,680 I get the easy job here. 262 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:06,160 I don't have to answer hard stuff. 263 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:10,880 My personal opinion is yes. 264 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:11,880 It can be both. 265 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:12,880 Yeah. 266 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:19,160 I think that, um, I don't think that they are mutually exclusive, but I do believe, 267 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:24,760 well, just from the many, many, many people that I've talked to that they do go hand in 268 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:30,320 hand, that people when they believe in an afterlife, they tend to believe in a God, whether that 269 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:37,640 is a biblical type God, a source of energy, whatever it is. 270 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:38,640 Okay. 271 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:41,160 And I don't care to put a label on it today. 272 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:45,800 I have my beliefs, other people have their beliefs and I respect all of them. 273 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:47,880 But yeah, it's pretty hard to separate them. 274 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:48,880 Yeah. 275 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:49,880 But I don't know. 276 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:50,880 I don't know. 277 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:52,520 We'll have to talk to more atheists and see. 278 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:57,240 It seems like all the atheists that I talked to are start kind of how you did and they 279 00:17:57,240 --> 00:17:59,040 say, I'm a former atheist. 280 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:02,160 Oh, I guess I should say I'm a former atheist. 281 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:05,320 I should clarify. 282 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:11,040 You know, the topic of religion and spirituality is super interesting. 283 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:17,920 And I know that this comes up on, on your podcast and you have a mix of everyone and, 284 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:24,280 you know, something that was really special about what you do is that you are non-judgmental 285 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:26,520 and non-denominational. 286 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:33,920 And that includes the non-judgment of people that come on here and say that they are firm 287 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:36,640 believers in Christianity and Christ. 288 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:41,000 And it's, it's hard because, you know, I'm one of those people that can get triggered 289 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:44,120 by religion. 290 00:18:44,120 --> 00:18:45,600 But you know what? 291 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:47,320 That's, that is me. 292 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:52,200 That is, that is, that means that, you know, there's not, they're not doing anything bad. 293 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:58,760 It means that there's something, a wound inside me that needs caring for and being looked 294 00:18:58,760 --> 00:18:59,920 at. 295 00:18:59,920 --> 00:19:02,240 And that's what I'm recognizing now. 296 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:07,880 It's like, hey, if I'm triggered by someone that says they are an evangelical Christian, 297 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:13,200 which is the household I grew up in, that that is some wound that I'm carrying. 298 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:22,440 And we need to find a way to have non-judgment towards everyone's beliefs, even if that belief 299 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:25,640 is telling you that you are wrong, right? 300 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:29,760 So anyways, anyways, I could go on all day about that. 301 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:31,680 Tell me about motherhood. 302 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:34,800 You said that motherhood seemed to be a theme of this. 303 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:35,800 Expound on that. 304 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:36,800 Yeah. 305 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:44,880 So let me start with my next spiritual experience or I guess synchronicity leading from my, 306 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:45,880 my friend's death. 307 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:52,440 So in the months after I had my awakening, I was thinking, man, you know, I really feel 308 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:56,760 compelled to write to my friend's mom. 309 00:19:56,760 --> 00:20:00,680 I don't know why, what gives me the right to reach out to this woman? 310 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:06,320 Like she's, she has gone through one of the worst things that you will ever experience 311 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:08,040 in this life. 312 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:09,160 What gives me the right? 313 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:11,600 So I kind of waffle down on it. 314 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:17,000 And finally after maybe like six months, I was like, okay, I'm going to write to her. 315 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:21,400 And I sat down and I wrote out my dream. 316 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:26,360 And when I was doing that, I was trying to get into this meditative state of like, let 317 00:20:26,360 --> 00:20:33,760 me, if my friend wants to send a message to her mom, like let me help be that person if 318 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:39,040 that's what the, what, you know, God or spirit wants me to do. 319 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:44,840 And so I wrote out this message about how my friend really valued her relationship with 320 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:49,680 her mom and it was so important and all these things. 321 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:52,560 And I finished the letter, it was like 10 pages long. 322 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:55,320 I was like, I'm kind of embarrassed. 323 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:58,640 So I put it in this envelope and I was like, great, I'm going to get it in the mail. 324 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:01,760 And I'm one of those people like when I decided to do something I want it done now. 325 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:04,840 So I get it in the mail and I'm super excited. 326 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:08,240 I go to the mailbox the next day and the letter is still there. 327 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:10,720 I'm like, why didn't the mailman pick this up? 328 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:12,200 So I put the flag up. 329 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:13,200 Great. 330 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:14,200 Okay. 331 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:15,760 He's going to pick it up today. 332 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:17,760 And then I go out the next day and it's still there. 333 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:20,000 And I'm like, what the heck? 334 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:24,240 And I go inside and I'm like, oh, and I was like, why, why is this not getting picked 335 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:25,240 up? 336 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:29,760 Like, should I pick, should I go and drop it off at like another mailbox? 337 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:37,120 And I go back out a few hours later and I had realized that the stamp wasn't enough because 338 00:21:37,120 --> 00:21:38,240 my letter was so big. 339 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:41,200 So I was like, okay, I'm just going to add, maybe I'll just add another stamp. 340 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:44,200 And I go out and the letter has been picked up. 341 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:48,280 So I think the mailman just kind of gave up on me and I was like, fine, I'll cover you 342 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:49,960 the two cents or whatever. 343 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:54,120 And so the letter was mailed and it was few days after I wanted it too. 344 00:21:54,120 --> 00:21:56,280 So I was like, okay, it's out. 345 00:21:56,280 --> 00:22:01,840 And then I get a letter two weeks later from her mom. 346 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:06,240 And you know, I saw it and I was like, oh my God, like I know this is going to be significant. 347 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:08,280 I need to open this. 348 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:17,520 And I open it and she said, Kate, your letter meant so much to me, you know, and it arrived 349 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:21,720 at the exact, exact moment in which I needed it. 350 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:29,600 She had had to write a victim impact statement to the court over her daughter's murder 351 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:31,520 that day. 352 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:40,080 And she said she was just heartbroken and torn apart and needed something to help soothe 353 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:41,160 her soul. 354 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:45,120 And my letter arrived that day and she read it and she just wept. 355 00:22:45,120 --> 00:22:51,680 I mean, it was just like, you know, like the, I think God has a, God has a sense of 356 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:52,680 humor. 357 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:54,800 God has a really strong sense of humor. 358 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:57,040 I'm positive of that. 359 00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:58,040 Absolutely. 360 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:01,600 I'm like one of the most impatient people in the world, Eric. 361 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:05,000 When I decided to do something, I'm like, I'm freaking doing it. 362 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:08,040 And I know that about myself and, you know, I've really learned to slow down. 363 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:11,920 And this time it's like God was just saying, you know what, you just need to be patient, 364 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:15,000 Kate, the timing is all going to work out perfectly. 365 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:21,920 And so I just felt like so grateful that, you know, my friend blessed me with this dream, 366 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:29,600 but she was also able to help bless her mom with this compassion and this comfort, almost 367 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:32,400 like a hug from her daughter on the day that she needed it. 368 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:33,800 So yeah, that was really special. 369 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:36,240 Didn't that feel good to be a part of that? 370 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:37,840 Oh my God. 371 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:38,840 Yeah. 372 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:39,840 Yeah. 373 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:47,440 I can say her letter around with me and I read it when I need energy and I need love. 374 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:48,440 Yeah. 375 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:49,440 Yeah. 376 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:55,320 And maybe your friend and God wanted to give that comfort to your friend's mother and 377 00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:56,720 you got to be a part of that. 378 00:23:56,720 --> 00:24:00,360 You were an instrument in that and that feels good, doesn't it? 379 00:24:00,360 --> 00:24:01,920 Yeah, absolutely. 380 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:02,920 Okay. 381 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:04,560 Let's talk about fear of death. 382 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:06,760 You said you have lots of fear of death. 383 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:12,440 Most people on the show because they've had a true and you have no more fear of death. 384 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:18,640 Where's your level of fear of death now compared to where it was? 385 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:26,000 I knew you're going to ask me this and I had to figure out how to be honest about it. 386 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:31,080 I must be way too predictable if you know everything I'm going to ask you. 387 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:33,440 I listen every single Monday. 388 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:38,400 And when you don't post a Monday, it's like, where is round trip death this week? 389 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:41,200 So anyways, but that's just me. 390 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:46,760 No, I'm not afraid of death. 391 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:49,280 I feel connected to the afterlife. 392 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:52,560 I feel connected to the spirit world. 393 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:57,680 Why I'm not a zero out of 10 is because I have a young family and I want to be there 394 00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:05,680 for my family and I feel like my job raising my two daughters is so important. 395 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:12,080 So I'm going to give myself a two out of 10, but I want to tell everyone that listens to 396 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:19,080 this podcast that you can feel, there are experiences and moments that you can have 397 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:24,920 where you can tune in and feel that love and feel that support and know that you don't have 398 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:25,920 to be afraid. 399 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:27,640 And it takes time. 400 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:31,840 And I do want to follow up Eric about like my relationship with my daughters because 401 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:34,600 I think this ties back to my friend too. 402 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:37,160 But is there any follow up on my scale, my rating? 403 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:43,440 Yeah, I think you can have very little fear of death and it's okay to have some, right? 404 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:46,040 We haven't been through it before, so it's okay. 405 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:51,520 And especially what might lead up to a death because sometimes that's painful and other 406 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:53,200 negative things. 407 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:56,560 So a little fear is not an unhealthy thing. 408 00:25:56,560 --> 00:26:03,920 But let's go ahead and separate your fear of death from your wanting to stay here to 409 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:05,680 be with your children. 410 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:07,680 And let's say those are two different things. 411 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:12,280 I want to be here to take care of my children and I don't have much fear of death. 412 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:13,280 That's okay. 413 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:15,280 Yeah, yeah, absolutely. 414 00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:16,280 Yep. 415 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:17,440 Okay, keep going. 416 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:25,480 I think one of the big ways in which spirituality has, or my belief in God has changed my life 417 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:28,080 is that I grew up really sensitive. 418 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:31,240 So I'm the middle of five kids. 419 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:34,280 I was the quote unquote sensitive one. 420 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:37,240 I had really big emotions. 421 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:39,360 I just could feel energy. 422 00:26:39,360 --> 00:26:45,000 Before I knew what feeling energy was, I would feel when my parents were anxious or fighting 423 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:48,280 or whatever and I would just want to hide. 424 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:52,800 The phrase that I remember from growing up constantly is you just need to be strong. 425 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:54,200 You just need to be strong. 426 00:26:54,200 --> 00:27:00,360 And what that means is when you are sensitive, you are weak. 427 00:27:00,360 --> 00:27:10,200 I held this belief up until, I don't know, a year and a half ago and I'm in my late 30s. 428 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:15,840 And I think that it made me not trust myself. 429 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:26,000 It made me not trust my intuition, trust my instincts, and because I was taught that strong 430 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:31,120 emotions or big emotions that were bad or something you do alone and you didn't know 431 00:27:31,120 --> 00:27:36,000 how to regulate them, that I had to learn how to shut that down. 432 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:43,000 And so in college, I just drank a lot and I party a lot and I wasn't a bad kid. 433 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:47,680 I still got good grades and I still cared about people, but I just didn't know how to deal 434 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:51,080 with the energy and the emotions that I felt. 435 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:59,280 Now bringing this back to my children, my firstborn daughter is so sensitive. 436 00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:02,240 She's a firecracker. 437 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:04,240 She is full of opinions. 438 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:05,240 She's like a rebel. 439 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,080 She loves monster trucks. 440 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:08,200 She loves running. 441 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,920 She loves, oh my gosh, she loves cars. 442 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:12,360 Cars are her favorite thing. 443 00:28:12,360 --> 00:28:15,640 But she can't even watch regular TV. 444 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:20,400 There's that show, Bluey, which is so sweet and has such good messaging. 445 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:24,040 And half the episodes she gets scared of and we just turn it off. 446 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,680 And I'm like, okay, you know what? 447 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:33,520 Because of the work that I've done on myself and understanding sensitivity, I can now raise 448 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:38,920 my daughter in an intentional way to cultivate that sensitivity as a strength rather than 449 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,560 saying you just need to be strong. 450 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:44,600 You just watch this Bluey episode because you need to be a strong and all your friends 451 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:46,800 are watching this and what's wrong with you. 452 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:52,560 Now I can say, hey, I know that that might feel scary for you. 453 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:53,560 Let's explore that. 454 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:54,960 Where do you feel that in your body? 455 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,400 What are ways that you can protect yourself? 456 00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:02,720 What are things that you can do to surround yourself with more love and care? 457 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:09,640 And that to me is like, that is the important gift is that I am passing that on to the next 458 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:14,840 generation because of the work that I've gone through. 459 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:21,160 And I'm now able to recognize the strength in my daughter, not the weakness or shame 460 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:22,240 in my daughter. 461 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:25,560 And that is one of the greatest gifts. 462 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:31,800 And so, you know, looking back on my discussion with my friend in the spirit world, it's like, 463 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:37,840 yeah, this is important because if I'm able to raise a daughter or daughters from the 464 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:44,320 start, understanding this beautiful marriage between emotion and intellect, because, you 465 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:45,720 know, our emotions are just there. 466 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:46,720 They're just signals. 467 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:50,520 They're just there to tell us something like, hey, you're feeling something here. 468 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:56,080 How about you go in and think, you know, explore this a little bit rather than, wow, you shouldn't 469 00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,040 be feeling upset about this. 470 00:29:58,040 --> 00:29:59,120 Why are you feeling upset? 471 00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:01,080 Go cry in your room. 472 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:09,600 If I can raise kids to be emotionally intelligent and understand what they're feeling, how much 473 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:12,360 more good can they go do in the world? 474 00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:14,360 Like that, that is the gift. 475 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:15,360 That is the beauty. 476 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:21,400 They can go out and they can be self-confident, have intuition, be compassionate little souls, 477 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:23,680 and do so much more good in the world. 478 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:25,760 I want to be your child, okay? 479 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,360 Sounds like you're a perfect mom. 480 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:29,360 That is awesome. 481 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:33,080 I'm not perfect, but yeah, I try. 482 00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:36,520 When we talked the other day, you told me a little bit about an experience you had with 483 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:37,520 your grandmother. 484 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:39,840 Would you like to talk about that now before we're done? 485 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:41,480 Yeah, of course. 486 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:46,640 So this just happened a couple weeks ago, and I think why this is significant is that, 487 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:54,280 you know, sometimes I still doubt myself and my intuition. 488 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:58,800 So this was just a message from the, I think, from the universe saying, hey, like, if you 489 00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:02,120 feel something, just trust it, just trust it. 490 00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:08,680 So a couple weeks ago, out of the blue, I was talking with my husband and I was like, 491 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:10,960 hey, you know, it's kind of crazy. 492 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:17,480 Like, I only have, we only have one grandparent between the two of us that's still alive. 493 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:19,840 And it's my grandmother, my grandmother. 494 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:23,960 Unfortunately, you know, we weren't close growing up and that's a whole nother story, 495 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,480 but yeah, so I don't talk about her very often. 496 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:27,680 It's not like a common occurrence. 497 00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:28,680 It was out of the blue. 498 00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:33,000 It was just like, hey, that's kind of crazy that, you know, we have one left. 499 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:34,000 And that was it. 500 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:35,000 Just kind of dropped it. 501 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:41,720 Now that night, I was awoken in the middle of the night with this really vivid dream 502 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:47,480 or sensation that someone was leaning over me to look at my baby. 503 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:51,120 And any new parent will know, like, that's going to wake you up right away. 504 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:54,080 So I like woke up and I was like, oh, what is that? 505 00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:59,240 And I, you know, in that moment, I felt, I definitely felt something or someone in the 506 00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:03,040 room, but I knew that, you know, they weren't a physical person. 507 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:05,080 It was some kind of spirit. 508 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:08,480 I've learned enough about spirituality to say, hey, you can set boundaries with spirits. 509 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:13,320 And so I said, you know, I don't, please, please leave. 510 00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:16,560 It's the middle of the night and I just want to feel safe with my baby. 511 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:18,160 And then I went back to bed. 512 00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:26,040 The next morning I wake up and I see a text from my mom and she said, hey, your grandmother 513 00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:28,040 passed away last night. 514 00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:33,000 And I was like, oh my gosh, mom, you know, I'm so sorry, you know, let me know if there's 515 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:34,400 anything I can do to support you. 516 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,760 And I just kind of like forgot, you know, like, I didn't forget about it, but I forgot 517 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:38,760 about my dream. 518 00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:40,520 And I just kind of moved on. 519 00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:45,760 And later that day I was like, wait, could that have been my grandmother? 520 00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:50,320 And I was like, mom, when did grandmother pass away? 521 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:52,440 Do you know? 522 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:58,000 Because I know that my experience happened sometime between 3.30 and 5.30. 523 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,880 Because you know, when you have a newborn, you're up every few hours and knew exactly 524 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:01,880 when it happened. 525 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,400 It was during that time. 526 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:08,720 And my mom takes me back and she's like, oh, you know, grandmother passed away sometime 527 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:10,720 between 3 and 8 a.m. 528 00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:15,160 And I was like, oh my gosh, that was my grandmother. 529 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:18,320 Like, absolutely. 530 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:23,680 And so I, it was to me, it was just like this moment, like this huge smile came across my 531 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,480 face and I was like, she was just checking on the baby. 532 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:32,120 She just wanted to see her new, her new great granddaughter before she went on into the spirit 533 00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:34,880 world into the next spot. 534 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:41,040 So anyways, I thought that that was just like this really beautiful affirmation that we're 535 00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:47,480 all connected, that you should trust yourself and that, you know, even if you have a complicated 536 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:49,960 relationship, there is still love. 537 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:50,960 There is still love. 538 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:51,960 Wow. 539 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,120 Thank you for all your insights today. 540 00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:57,240 I'm not even sure where to go next. 541 00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:59,360 We're short on time. 542 00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:04,840 But I'll tell you what, okay, you know this is coming. 543 00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:06,720 You have so many beautiful things to say. 544 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,600 Go ahead and leave our listeners with a message of hope. 545 00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:16,040 I think you sort of started mentioning it at the beginning, Eric, and that is you don't 546 00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:27,920 need to die or even have this big traumatic life experience to feel the love and joy of 547 00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:29,080 the other side. 548 00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:35,200 I think that the universe is always trying to talk to us and connect with us. 549 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:43,640 And it's just a matter of learning to go inside yourself, trust yourself, self-compassion, 550 00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:48,360 self-love, and start connecting with the other side. 551 00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:49,720 And it is possible. 552 00:34:49,720 --> 00:34:58,480 You know, I think also there is just so much love for us on the other side that is part 553 00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:00,400 of our daily life that we're not aware of. 554 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:04,320 You know, even when we feel the most alone, we are never alone. 555 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:06,560 And that's just the most beautiful thing. 556 00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:08,040 Absolutely. 557 00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,560 And let's pay a little more attention to our dreams. 558 00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:14,200 That's something I know I can do better with. 559 00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:19,560 And the ones that seem like they're profound in some way, let's not just discount them 560 00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:24,880 as, oh, that was only a dream. 561 00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:26,920 Yours was much more than that. 562 00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,480 And I think a lot of other peoples are also. 563 00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:30,480 Yeah. 564 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,400 Can I say something to that actually? 565 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:35,640 So I actually am teaching my daughter to like remember her dreams. 566 00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:38,160 So you know, oh, what did you dream about? 567 00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:46,920 But also my husband, he loves me, he supports me, and he does, he's not as in-depth into 568 00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:49,160 this as I am, but he's sort of there. 569 00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:50,160 He sees it. 570 00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,200 He's seen some of the benefits. 571 00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:57,400 And he's been having these dreams about his grandfather and he'll wake up and he hears 572 00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:00,200 like a buzzing in his ear. 573 00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,560 And he's like, I don't know if I believe it. 574 00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:03,560 And I was like, you know what? 575 00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:05,280 Like I asked him, does it feel significant? 576 00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:06,280 And he said, yeah. 577 00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:09,000 And I was like, okay, you don't have to understand it. 578 00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:12,000 Just if your dream feels significant, just let it be significant. 579 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,200 And you don't have to try and understand. 580 00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:15,200 Just let it be there. 581 00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:17,440 So yeah, I fully agree with you with the dream thing. 582 00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:22,200 Like it's the closest we get to being connected to spirit world is through our dreams and 583 00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:23,200 when we're asleep. 584 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:24,200 Yeah. 585 00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:27,200 These more common things than actually dying and coming back. 586 00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:28,200 Yeah, absolutely. 587 00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:32,800 I think most of us can have some of these significant things from time to time. 588 00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:34,360 One last question. 589 00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:38,200 Your friend said, I'm okay and I'm not alone. 590 00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:39,200 Yeah. 591 00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:43,200 Do you have any idea what she, who she was not alone with? 592 00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,200 Did she give you any indication? 593 00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:47,680 No. 594 00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:55,120 I think when I look back on it, she was trying to me, it was like the message that I needed 595 00:36:55,120 --> 00:37:01,120 to hear because so much of my pain was her dying alone. 596 00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:08,080 And then also being alone, like my understanding of death, not that this makes any sense as 597 00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:12,440 an atheist, but that you would die and you'd be like conscious, but you'd be alone forever 598 00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:13,440 in darkness. 599 00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:15,400 And that was like my understanding of death. 600 00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:23,480 So retrospectively, it's her way of communicating or being a balm to one of my greatest fears 601 00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:26,600 and also like torment of the way she died. 602 00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:27,600 Yeah. 603 00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:34,240 It's funny how so many people have told me that they have done things or had experiences 604 00:37:34,240 --> 00:37:39,440 with things where someone on the other side wanted to make them feel better. 605 00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:41,880 They cared that much about them. 606 00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:46,080 And that says a lot about what it's like in the spirit world. 607 00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:49,760 We still care about those that we care about here, right? 608 00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:51,920 We still have relationships. 609 00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,120 We care about their feelings. 610 00:37:54,120 --> 00:38:00,440 And if we can do something to help them feel better and feel comforted or whatever the 611 00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:02,920 term is, I think they want to do that. 612 00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,080 They want to help us out whenever they can. 613 00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:09,600 And there's probably a lot of times that they do and we don't know it. 614 00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:15,760 And so we can just give gratitude for all of that and whether we call those angels or 615 00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,800 whatever term we want to put on them. 616 00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,200 I think a lot of that goes on around us. 617 00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:23,320 So anyway, thanks, Kate. 618 00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:26,760 I really appreciate you being with me and opening up like this. 619 00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:27,760 Yeah. 620 00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:28,760 Yeah. 621 00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:29,760 Thank you so much for having me, Eric. 622 00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:33,480 And thank you from the bottom of my heart for everything that you do. 623 00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:39,600 So yeah, thank you. 624 00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,400 Thanks again for listening and sharing this podcast. 625 00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:48,480 Don't forget to hit the follow or subscribe button and sign up for our newsletter at roundtripdeath.com. 626 00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:52,760 If you want to share your near-death experience or if you have questions or comments about 627 00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:57,280 the show, send an email to ericatroundtripdeath.com. 628 00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:15,480 Until then, I wish you everything good that you're looking for in this life and the next.