1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:08,400 From the time that they pronounced me deaf was a good 45 minutes. 2 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:13,440 They cut my clothes and then they paddled my heart, my heart had stopped. 3 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:18,120 And I could see people screaming and crying, but I didn't realize that was actually my 4 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:21,320 physical body because I was somewhere else. 5 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:27,400 The only thing that I could feel, if you could imagine, absolute love and peace, there wasn't 6 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:29,400 anything else to be felt. 7 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:32,560 I was greeted by people I'd known in the past. 8 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:34,160 I'm back home again. 9 00:00:34,160 --> 00:00:36,640 Incredibly safe and felt at home. 10 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:44,440 Welcome, welcome to Round Trip Death, everybody, and a special welcome from way out in Long 11 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:45,440 Island. 12 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:47,480 Jacob Cooper, good morning, Jacob. 13 00:00:47,480 --> 00:00:48,480 Good morning, Eric. 14 00:00:48,480 --> 00:00:50,240 You know, it's a pleasure to be on your podcast. 15 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:51,720 I love the work that you do. 16 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:53,480 Well, thank you. 17 00:00:53,480 --> 00:00:58,640 And I had a friend, a good friend once upon a time from Long Island only. 18 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:00,400 He pronounced it Long Island. 19 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:04,640 Yeah, there's a lot of heavy accents around here. 20 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:10,760 I hope I don't come off too strong within any conversation. 21 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:15,080 My hope is to come off as neutral as possible, but you know, you could take the man out of 22 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:18,240 the Long Islander, but I guess the Long Islander can't come out of the man. 23 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:20,680 So some of that always comes out. 24 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:23,000 Don't pretend, let it all out. 25 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:24,000 We love it. 26 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:28,600 Hey, before we jump into your near-death experience, I would love for our listeners to come out 27 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:30,160 and get to know you a little bit. 28 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:34,960 If you would just take one minute and give us a little bit of background, who is Jacob? 29 00:01:34,960 --> 00:01:38,160 Oh, wow, gosh, that's a very deep question. 30 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:44,200 It's an evolving answer by the minute, by the day, but I try to stay as someone who 31 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:48,600 is here to hopefully help others remember who they are. 32 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:53,000 I'm always asked how I want to be remembered, and I think myself it's not that important. 33 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:59,400 It's more so, I guess, through the work that people are able to remember how unique, special, 34 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:01,160 and hopefully eternal. 35 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:05,720 We all are, and certainly having a profound end to E at a young age. 36 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:10,160 Put me in that pathway, but I also work in the mental health field as a therapist. 37 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:15,480 I do a lot of hypnotherapists, and I'm sure we'll discuss some of the particulars of hypnosis 38 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:22,560 that I utilize as well as a lot of public speaking, and I've written two published books. 39 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:27,480 At the right, around the age of 32 years old, both books were published, and so I'm working 40 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:32,320 on a third book to come, but I guess I'm someone who just likes to generate the hope past the 41 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:38,880 pain and to derive inspiration as much as I can in times of need and hopefully more of 42 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:43,480 a unity and empowerment to those that I come into cross with. 43 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:45,200 Well, you're being very humble. 44 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:47,400 I know you're a best-selling author. 45 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:49,200 Go ahead and plug your two books. 46 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:50,200 Give us the names. 47 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:52,800 Well, sure, and maybe I could try the visuals. 48 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:58,640 Well, the first book that I wrote is Life After Breath, and the second book is The Wisdom 49 00:02:58,640 --> 00:03:05,600 of Jacob Slatter, and both are available on Amazon, Paperback, Kindle, as well as Audio. 50 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:10,280 My first book was endorsed by my good friend Dr. Ima Moody. 51 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:15,280 He was one of the individuals, if you don't know who coined the term, near-death experience 52 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:18,760 in his best-selling book, Life After Life from the 70s. 53 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:25,760 The Life After Breath is more of what I call my karma or the story of my near-death experience, 54 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:30,440 and The Wisdom Jacob Slatter includes some of the karma, but it's more about the dharma, 55 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:37,520 which is to me the meaning, the essence of the lessons of my near-death experience. 56 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:43,360 So they're both helpful for a lot of viewers, a lot of readers, rather than I've gotten 57 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:47,560 a lot of nice feedback and emails for the most part. 58 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:51,440 So again, it's just a pleasure to give something back. 59 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:56,360 And I don't know about you, Eric, but I think there's a big correlation between pain and 60 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:57,360 purpose. 61 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:02,520 And when I was in my late teens and early 20s, I probably lived mostly in the library, or 62 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:07,560 at least reading books, that anything I'd get my hands on that was inspiring, that was 63 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:10,120 uplifting, I'd want to delve into. 64 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:14,920 And it came when I was just at a lot of times moments of uncertainty and when I felt very 65 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:20,000 low and I said, to my thought to myself, geez, I don't want to be buried in a cemetery. 66 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:25,480 I want to be buried on these shelves with these authors and my books to be there. 67 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:30,040 And hopefully down the road, they'll still have libraries when I'm at that old age. 68 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:35,000 But I think really we're here to make a ripple effect in our lives. 69 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:38,000 And you're doing that every time a podcast comes out. 70 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:42,440 And just by being used, thank you for the great work that you're doing, getting this 71 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:46,360 information out to the public, you're really making a ripple effect. 72 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:48,760 Well, and I'm glad you mentioned Dr. Moody. 73 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:49,840 He's been on the show. 74 00:04:49,840 --> 00:04:51,960 He is awesome. 75 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:55,640 He's getting up there in years, but he still has plenty of energy. 76 00:04:55,640 --> 00:05:00,640 He was rocking so fast that the microphone almost couldn't pick him up. 77 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:04,320 And I know Ians is doing some kind of a documentary about him this year. 78 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:05,920 So we're looking forward to that also. 79 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:06,920 Is that right? 80 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:08,080 Yeah, new news to me. 81 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:11,320 I didn't hear that, but well deserved for sure. 82 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:12,320 Yeah. 83 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:18,240 Well, this is the 50th anniversary of the book and him coining the term near death experience. 84 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:21,960 So anyway, let's jump right into it. 85 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:25,160 And your experience happened when you were very young. 86 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:29,040 And one of the things I'm going to be asking you in a minute is how do you even remember 87 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:31,760 it from three years old? 88 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:36,320 So lead us, tell us what happened, what led up to it? 89 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:37,320 Absolutely, Eric. 90 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:40,920 Well, September of 1993, to give my age away. 91 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:43,600 I was just the young age of three years old. 92 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:47,240 At this time, I didn't know this or none of my family knew this. 93 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:54,000 I had a condition called whooping cough, otherwise known as pertussis, which for those familiar 94 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:59,440 with it medically, I mean, it could be fatal or very detrimental to one's health, particularly 95 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:05,160 if you're an infant or child or even in an adult years, you know, if left untreated. 96 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:10,000 I had whooping cough, didn't know this, went to a playground with family friends. 97 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:14,400 And this is kind of the short of it, the more extended versions are, I was included in my 98 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:20,720 books, but I climbed a ladder, going to a slide, just began to suffocate due to this 99 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:23,080 coughing spree. 100 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:26,920 Everything in my brain and my body just shut down. 101 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:31,440 As if you're in a basement and if you're a homeowner, you can understand, just shut 102 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:34,200 off one unit at a time and there's nothing you can do. 103 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:36,160 The units are just shutting off. 104 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:38,160 You're very powerless to it. 105 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:42,360 And then all of a sudden, my body I just knew was not working. 106 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:46,800 So rather than being in a car that's not going to start or not going to work, you know, I 107 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:52,680 just was able to leave my body and I was able to have awareness of it physiologically. 108 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:57,960 Then all of a sudden I felt my brain and I just saw that it was deprived of oxygen, 109 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:00,760 just felt it just slowly just going away. 110 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:05,440 Then all of a sudden I felt this large crack within my brain due to the deprivation of 111 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:06,840 oxygen. 112 00:07:06,840 --> 00:07:11,040 And there's a saying in the English language that says, my brain cracked open and God came 113 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:12,360 in. 114 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:14,880 And this literally happened to me. 115 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:20,240 This wasn't some euphemism where I felt my brain just completely crack open. 116 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:22,480 And that's when everything opened up. 117 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:29,320 I had a lot of the classical, euphoric, near-death-experience, mystical experience that Raymond Moody highlights 118 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:36,200 in his book, including tunnel, feeling euphoric, you know, rising up, feeling vibrations. 119 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:41,680 Things around me, spirit guides that I was able to see, soul family members, awareness 120 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:45,800 of past lives, premonitions of the work that I would do. 121 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:53,560 So it was a tremendous panoramic viewpoint of the life that I lived that included past 122 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:59,840 lives as well as this potential journey that I was going to continue on, you know, in my 123 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:02,640 life as a three-year-old moving forward. 124 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:08,000 But it certainly is profound and obviously if you get more and some of the finer details 125 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:15,400 of it regarding, you know, one of your first questions as to how this is able to be remembered. 126 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:20,080 There's several points of reference that I could point to. 127 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:26,240 Certainly within my credibility as a mental health therapist, I could point to the traumatic 128 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:33,160 conditions at play for those who might have competency of trauma, they'll understand that 129 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:39,560 trauma has a disassociative component, meaning that something is so profound for your mind 130 00:08:39,560 --> 00:08:46,120 or in this case spirit to hold on to, that it just kind of shields itself from remembering 131 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:47,560 it due to protection. 132 00:08:47,560 --> 00:08:50,760 But eventually that could come out within the right timing. 133 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:57,040 More trauma could have the clearest of recall, you know, as if there hasn't been any time 134 00:08:57,040 --> 00:08:59,600 and space from that event. 135 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:04,920 And certainly I don't want to sugarcoat it as beautiful and euphoric as my ND was in 136 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:07,360 crossing over to the other side. 137 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:14,040 It was as equally as scary and traumatic through suffocation and losing all of control of my 138 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:15,240 own human breath. 139 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:19,360 But I think that was a gift in a way, that was a gift beyond the trauma, the ability 140 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:25,920 to remember it, as well as this was an experience that went beyond the production or the storage 141 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:27,800 of my finite brain. 142 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:34,320 As I said before, my brain was totally deprived of oxygen, had zero functioning whatsoever. 143 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:40,680 And so this was really a subconscious experience of my higher mind and soul. 144 00:09:40,680 --> 00:09:46,080 And so there are people that I work with now, we'll get into this, who have memories that 145 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:48,400 go far beyond this lifetime. 146 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:52,200 You know, so too many memory does not have an expiration date. 147 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:57,880 Oftentimes kids in fact are able to remember a lot more of events prior to coming to this 148 00:09:57,880 --> 00:10:03,600 body because they're less in their, I would say analytical minds or linear minds in the 149 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:07,600 more in tune with their spirits, which just gets here from the other side. 150 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:11,800 But yes, there's a certain cut off of amnesia that a lot of people have usually around age 151 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:14,800 five or six where they forget a lot of things. 152 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:19,640 So I know I impact a lot over there, but yeah, be feel free to fire away with questions 153 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:23,800 or any of the skeptics point of view will do the best we can. 154 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:27,280 I don't necessarily cynics because that's nearly that's almost impossible to move, but 155 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:29,880 skeptics is a very healthy place to start with. 156 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:32,560 Well, I don't want to jump into skeptic mode. 157 00:10:32,560 --> 00:10:36,720 I rarely do that anyway, because I tend to believe the people that I have on the show 158 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:40,320 here, but I do want lots more detail. 159 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:45,320 You gave a great summary, but start from the beginning and I realize it would probably 160 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:50,960 take hours to fill in every detail, but you mentioned the classic things like the tunnel. 161 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:52,440 Is that the best place to start? 162 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:54,040 I want much more detail. 163 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:55,040 Yeah. 164 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:59,440 You know, Eric, to answer your question, the tunnel, I don't know necessarily if the best 165 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:06,560 place to start, I would say the power or the pathway of surrender is the best place to start. 166 00:11:06,560 --> 00:11:14,080 I at this time was suffocated during my NDE and you could imagine like you're drowning 167 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:18,600 and there's nothing to hold on to in oxygen. 168 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:22,200 Being able to breathe in oxygen keeps us going in this body without it. 169 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:26,560 What are we unless we're on some type of breathing machine or ventilator? 170 00:11:26,560 --> 00:11:28,400 That was totally deprived of me. 171 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:29,800 There was nothing to hold on to. 172 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:32,720 I kept on trying to struggle to breathe. 173 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:37,000 I remember this very clearly and there was nothing to hold on to. 174 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:41,280 It felt like I was drowning and there wasn't a log or anything to hold on to. 175 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:45,840 All of a sudden, I just felt myself just surrendering to something else. 176 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:52,240 In my books, I call that the breath of eternity, which to me is a light of the other side. 177 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:56,640 It's just this power that we all have, this spark of eternity that we all have. 178 00:11:56,640 --> 00:12:00,960 Rather than trying to struggle against what was, I surrendered to this infinite power, 179 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:03,480 this eternal power that we all have. 180 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:09,040 Once I stopped the struggle and I surrendered, that's when I was able to really let go of 181 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:14,200 the struggle and then euphoria opened up once I got out of this darkness of the tunnel 182 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:15,680 and really entered the light. 183 00:12:15,680 --> 00:12:23,640 I felt my spirit rising at infinite speed and rate as if you're on a roller coaster ride 184 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:30,040 and there's no beginning, middle, or end or limitation with how fast you're soaring on 185 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:31,040 this ride. 186 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:37,240 I could sense vibrations and frequencies, but the feeling that I got was, and this is 187 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:43,440 kind of hard for viewers to understand, you see in our reality, the colors, for example, 188 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:47,560 are limited by the rays of the sun and that's the reference that we have. 189 00:12:47,560 --> 00:12:52,760 When you're on the other side, you're not physical, you're dealing with the non-material. 190 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:59,240 A lot of the factors that are over there are nearly impossible or very difficult to articulate, 191 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:05,320 but I do the best I can at each dialogue or conversation that I have because that's the 192 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:06,640 task at hand. 193 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:13,960 But I felt this incredible euphoria and when I was able to feel this euphoric vibe, in 194 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:19,880 our world, for instance, we're used to something happening, but we almost have a cap with how 195 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:23,800 good we could feel because of bio-neurochemicals still. 196 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:29,920 On the other side, there was no limitations with how euphoric and good that I felt. 197 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:35,120 There was no limitations of that and that's hard for many to conceptualize or understand. 198 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:38,720 We're used to like, all right, I have that great situation, but there's always seems 199 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:40,240 to be a cap at that. 200 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:45,840 On the other side, there was no ending of how good I was feeling. 201 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:51,160 Like I said moments later, I was able to really get a sense and feelings on the other side. 202 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:56,720 It was just this beautiful euphoric light realm and this high vibrational frequency. 203 00:13:56,720 --> 00:13:59,960 This earth is a lot lower of a density, a lot lower of a frequency. 204 00:13:59,960 --> 00:14:05,200 When you cross over to the other side, the vibrations are a lot more intensified. 205 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:09,680 I think it was Albert Einstein who said, we are all just energy that could never be created 206 00:14:09,680 --> 00:14:11,840 or destroyed. 207 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:16,240 At the end of the day, the other side is just a higher energetic frequency. 208 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:21,040 There's a frequency of the afterlife and it's just right above this reality. 209 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:26,280 moments later to provide a little bit more context, I felt to the right side of my brain, 210 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:29,520 which I now know corresponds to creativity. 211 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:34,800 I was able to see this immaculate palace behind me and this light was so bright. 212 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:39,240 It was so bright and powerful that my spirit just almost had to shield itself because it 213 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:41,480 was so powerful. 214 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:44,840 I think when people think of the other side, they think you just kind of go there and you're 215 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:46,920 already there and that's it. 216 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:51,120 From my experience, I could say that there was a bit of an adjustment phase to crossing 217 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:52,120 over. 218 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:56,520 It took some time to really get familiarized with it. 219 00:14:56,520 --> 00:15:02,000 And yes, it was home, but it was such a profound transition that it took some time for my 220 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:08,240 spirit to really get used to just in terms of its beauty, its potency from this physical 221 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:09,240 reality. 222 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:12,760 We're used to limited and you get to the unlimited. 223 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:16,160 It's familiar yet at the same time overwhelming. 224 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:21,240 When I was looking at this beautiful palace, to me, it just, I just had this knowing that 225 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:28,160 it was a representation of the eternal creative force of all of life itself, which some people 226 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:30,160 denote religious terms to it. 227 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:31,160 They call it God. 228 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:33,160 Others will call it the universe. 229 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:38,680 Some just creation, whatever you want to label it as, your words are limiting because it 230 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:41,800 doesn't do justice to what I saw. 231 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:48,240 Words are almost powerful to what we have in this reality, but they cannot possibly conceptualize 232 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:51,280 how beautiful and profound that light was. 233 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:55,680 And instantaneously, when I was in that light, when I was looking at this palace, I was able 234 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:57,640 to see angels around it. 235 00:15:57,640 --> 00:16:04,520 I was able to feel unconditional understanding and a lot of things dissipated all regarding 236 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:06,200 a lot of fears that I had. 237 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:13,600 And all of a sudden, on the other side, I felt I was able to see this, this eternal horizon 238 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:17,120 of a sky that was in my awareness. 239 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:21,600 I was able to feel this incredible frequency of vibration. 240 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:23,160 And I think of reality. 241 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:27,960 We think of reality, think of levels of vibrational frequency, think of energy. 242 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:33,440 And this frequency was one of the highest octaves of frequency on the other side that 243 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:35,000 was accessible. 244 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:40,080 And this frequency was what I call the Christ frequency or the Christ consciousness that 245 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:43,320 I was able to be tuned into. 246 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:47,440 Bear in mind, I grew up Jewish, so certainly Jesus was Jewish as well. 247 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:52,200 But three years old, it wasn't something that I was educated at all, ever in my background. 248 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:58,800 So some of the things that happened in my end to go way beyond any exposure that I had, 249 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:03,160 which isn't congruent with a lot of people who've had near-death experiences as people 250 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:07,200 who are visually impaired all of a sudden could see or people who are auditory impaired 251 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:14,480 could hear, I wasn't exposed to any of this stuff in my early life, but there was a deep 252 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:15,480 familiarity. 253 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:20,480 And then all of a sudden, I just had questions, what would my life look like and how would 254 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:24,840 my parents deal with a kid crossing over? 255 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:29,480 And I just wanted to know, like, this story didn't seem complete and I wanted to know 256 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:31,280 what it would look like. 257 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:33,320 And a lot of those fears dissipated. 258 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:40,040 And when I was in this frequency, I had this inner knowing of all is well, was well, will 259 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:44,840 be well, and there was no conceptualization of time. 260 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:49,640 And this is very congruent with what Lao Tzu said that he said in the past, there's a 261 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:53,760 lot of promoted sadness in the future, there's a lot of promoted anxiety. 262 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:56,560 But in the present, you know, that's where you could find peace. 263 00:17:56,560 --> 00:18:01,840 And in this moment on the other side, all I felt was this infinite wave of eternal 264 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:07,080 peace with no in this timelessness that many near death experiences talk about. 265 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:11,920 And I just was aware that no matter what happened, there is a point where I and my parents and 266 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:16,680 all those who knew me in this life would meet, it would be that same point, regardless of 267 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:22,200 what happened if I decided to stay or go my near death experience that all cells would 268 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:28,800 connect, but then I just was curious as to what my life would look like and what I why 269 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:29,800 I'm here. 270 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:35,480 And all of a sudden I felt my guides with me, and they came down with me and I saw it 271 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:41,760 to the right in the left side of me, a male and female guardian angel or spirit guide. 272 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:45,440 And it's the one detail my near death experience for whatever reason that I seem to have a 273 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:50,280 blockage of just in terms of their members, their names. 274 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:55,320 At the time I knew their names instantaneously and they were the most beautiful beings that 275 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:57,640 you could ever imagine. 276 00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:06,320 But when my two primary guides were with me, I felt a sense of exhalation. 277 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:11,920 I felt a sense of, wow, they are with us all the time and sometimes we have our blinders 278 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:17,600 on, but life is a lot more wider and panoramic than we give it credit to. 279 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:24,120 And my guides were with me this whole journey, you know, being, you know, this young child 280 00:19:24,120 --> 00:19:28,440 and they were there with every step, but I just had my blinders on. 281 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:32,640 At times in my life that I forgot that and just thought that I was alone. 282 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:37,240 Then solely I had people surrounding me at the playground that I was at and they kept 283 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:43,040 on calling my name, but I felt to the side of myself, I felt my spirit form, my body 284 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:46,160 was just there, irresponsive and lifeless. 285 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:50,680 And I wanted to shake everyone from the other side to let them know that I was okay, that 286 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:51,680 I'm fine. 287 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:56,160 It was just a little bit of torture where I could see them and they couldn't see me, 288 00:19:56,160 --> 00:20:01,560 but then I was able to see right in front of my eyes these infinite array of angels 289 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:04,560 that were floating right in front of me. 290 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:09,200 And these were different than the guardian angels or spirit guides. 291 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:12,880 It's like kind of like England, whether you want to call it England or the UK, it kind 292 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:19,320 of describes the same place just different terms, but the angels that I saw were very 293 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:21,560 young, very youthful. 294 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:27,040 They're almost like infant looking in their presentation and they had a lot more uniform 295 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:31,880 ality, whereas the spirit guides had their own distinctive characteristics. 296 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:38,560 The angels that I saw were just the thin veil right in front of my eyes and I almost had 297 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:41,560 to pinch myself because they were right there. 298 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:47,200 And it's as if we have this reality and you just tune up the frequency of this reality 299 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:48,880 a little bit. 300 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:54,240 Angels are all around us all the time and this thin veil separation, they are with us 301 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:55,240 all around us. 302 00:20:55,240 --> 00:21:00,960 Hundreds of thousands of angels were there and they were kind of like a golden like color, 303 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:03,640 whereas the guides were very micro focused on myself. 304 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:06,200 The angels that I saw were just looking in the distance. 305 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:11,680 They weren't looking at me, but they were sending warmth and energy and love to the 306 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:19,040 planet in the situation and they were all around us and it's just looking right at them. 307 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:23,760 And I just had to like pinch myself because it felt too good to be true, as familiar as 308 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:24,760 it was. 309 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:32,240 Slowly, I was able to see a lot of beings from that came into my awareness from the 310 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:33,560 other side. 311 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:37,560 Some would call this the soul family, others would call it nuclear family. 312 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:43,120 I think we're all a part of a soul family, but we all have a caste that we're a part 313 00:21:43,120 --> 00:21:48,920 of in terms of different acts, but it's all just kind of different plays that we're contracted 314 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:49,920 to. 315 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:51,720 We'll get into a bunch more questions later. 316 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:54,880 I just one quick thing I wanted to ask about that. 317 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:57,840 Did you recognize any of the people from this family? 318 00:21:57,840 --> 00:21:59,880 Did you feel like you knew them? 319 00:21:59,880 --> 00:22:01,080 Absolutely. 320 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:08,040 And even there were individuals that I was very much, because I think people think of 321 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:13,280 soul family as just biological people that were in your nuclear family, but a lot of 322 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:18,160 the soul family that I was in contact with came through when I was a teacher on the other 323 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:23,400 side and I was able to see a lot of students in that life that came through that I was 324 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:28,440 really had a profound soul connection with in that last lifetime. 325 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:34,800 So yes, a lot of these beings were ancestors that I knew in this life and beyond, but also 326 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:40,200 they came from that prior life, but there was a sense of familiarity. 327 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:46,480 But there was also a degree of shame and embarrassment to a degree because this wasn't their judgment. 328 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:47,800 The other side, there's no judgment. 329 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:52,920 I didn't feel that I felt they were looking up at me rather down at me. 330 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:54,720 That's more of a human construct. 331 00:22:54,720 --> 00:23:00,120 There's a lot of dichotomy and difference between this reality and that reality where 332 00:23:00,120 --> 00:23:06,480 that reality you are loved and almost looked up to for who you are, not what you do, which 333 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:11,600 could change minute to minute and you're constantly judged over here, but we're constantly loved 334 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:14,080 over there and there's no limit for that. 335 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:17,880 Your love for your being rather than your doing in a sense. 336 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:24,720 But in terms of what I was able to see from that scene, I was also able to see spirit 337 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:30,520 guides and angels in aura colors around all the people that were around me. 338 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:34,640 And bear in mind, a lot of people that were with me on that day were not like the Dalai 339 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:37,480 Lamar on face value or Gandhi. 340 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:42,160 They were just regular CPA type people and working people. 341 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:46,040 Looking back on that, it just reminded me that all is spiritual. 342 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:49,800 At the end of the day, that's our core, that's our phylus. 343 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:54,720 Remember that some are emboldened in that, some maybe forget that, but you take an orange, 344 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:58,600 you squeeze it out, you get orange juice and you take who we are, you squeeze it out, you 345 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:05,960 get an infinite spirit beyond a lot of the separations that some may be connecting to 346 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:08,040 in their current life or lives. 347 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:15,960 But there was a point in time where I just asked a simple question again, which is, why 348 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:20,560 am I here, which is the most common question that I'm asked in any presentation that I 349 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:21,560 do. 350 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:24,280 And if I do stay, what is my purpose? 351 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:26,120 What will my life look like? 352 00:24:26,120 --> 00:24:31,240 And all of a sudden, I was given what's called a life review, which many people are familiar 353 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:32,240 with. 354 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:36,880 I'm sure a skeptic, I'm feeling that listening would say or anyone would say, geez, that 355 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:40,120 must have been the shortest film of all time, you're just three years old. 356 00:24:40,120 --> 00:24:45,560 What I would counter to that is, the other side is much different than this side, where 357 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:51,840 in a sense that it's not a matter of the chronological years of our life, but rather the degree of 358 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,120 life within those years. 359 00:24:54,120 --> 00:24:58,880 And so it felt like I chronologically lived through years, but those three years felt 360 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:04,440 like a long time, just in terms of the experiences that I had, the love that I shared, the connections 361 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:05,740 that I had. 362 00:25:05,740 --> 00:25:08,320 And so time over there is much different over here. 363 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:14,000 There are people who have lived 100 years, but barely lived one day over here. 364 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:18,920 So it's all about the experiences that we have and the love that we are able to have. 365 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:24,560 But this life review was more so from the perspective of the people around me and just 366 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:27,400 understanding the love that we shared and had. 367 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:32,880 But it also transcended this life and it went to other different incarnations that I had, 368 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:34,040 other different lifetimes. 369 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:37,280 So this life review included other past lives. 370 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:42,560 And I saw myself spanning the globe, traveling a lot of different cultures and countries 371 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:43,880 and civilizations. 372 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:50,560 And the most distinctive lifetime that has a lot of parallels to my NDE, which I'm sure 373 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:56,560 may bring up some sense degrees of sensitivities for viewers, given the subject matter and 374 00:25:56,560 --> 00:26:03,760 how it all went down, was a life that was actually evidentially read for me by different 375 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:09,480 intuitives and psychics prior to me ever becoming public with my NDE. 376 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:14,360 And this has been evidentially read for me, but a life in which I completed suicide. 377 00:26:14,360 --> 00:26:19,280 I don't use the word commit because I don't criminalize that decision nor does the other 378 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:20,280 side. 379 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:22,720 That's more of like a human judgment of it. 380 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:26,840 But this was this last lifetime that I lived in which I felt like the walls were caving 381 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:27,840 in. 382 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:29,840 There was nothing again once to hold on to. 383 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:31,520 And I felt that was it. 384 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:34,240 And all of a sudden, I made that decision. 385 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,720 I just saw the life between lives of that lifetime in my NDE. 386 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:39,760 And I saw that I wasn't judged. 387 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:40,760 I was embraced. 388 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:43,680 And there wasn't condemnation. 389 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:48,240 But I was also able to see from completion we begin. 390 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:55,680 And there was a big tie that I felt from my NDE and that situation where in my NDE I was 391 00:26:55,680 --> 00:27:02,440 once again faced with a similar degree of proverbial and literal suffocation. 392 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:08,280 But what I did this time differently than that last lifetime was I surrendered to the 393 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:09,280 power thin. 394 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:15,080 I remembered who I was and what I was connected to in the midst of the deepest and darkest 395 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:16,280 of winter. 396 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:20,320 As Albert Camus said within me, I found an eternal and infinite summer. 397 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:24,320 And that was a lesson that I know was from my NDE. 398 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:29,040 And slowly but surely I had premonitions of myself speaking in front of a large crowd 399 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:30,040 of people. 400 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:37,240 And I was able to really see that this wasn't speaking as if from the ego perspective that 401 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:41,080 I'm this big fancy schmancy speaker and better than people. 402 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:46,200 No, it was just that when I was speaking, I was able to see that I was one with the 403 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:52,720 audience and getting this message out of allowing people to really remember who they are, like 404 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:54,440 the show started. 405 00:27:54,440 --> 00:28:00,280 And on that moment I said as beautiful as the other side is, because I was given autonomy 406 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:07,680 to stay or go, this capacity to bring it into this reality, this proverbial way of bringing 407 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:11,520 heaven down to earth is not something that could pass on. 408 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:17,280 And it's something potentially even more glorious than the other side of an opportunity. 409 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:23,960 Within that decision, I chose to stay from that commitment to my soul's contract. 410 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:31,120 And then slowly but surely I found myself in a hospital bed, rushed by the ambulance, 411 00:28:31,120 --> 00:28:34,600 and the rest is kind of history. 412 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:35,600 That's a lot. 413 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:37,480 That is awesome. 414 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:39,960 Thank you for sharing all of that. 415 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:46,800 It strikes me so, I don't know, really interesting that as a three-year-old, when you were on 416 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:51,000 the other side, your brain was working like an adult. 417 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:59,720 I think when I was three years old here, my thoughts were Captain Crunch, riding my trike, 418 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,240 you know, rolling a ball, whatever. 419 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,480 But you were thinking about the big stuff. 420 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:06,600 How do you think that worked? 421 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:07,800 Why did that happen? 422 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:12,040 I would say that two things could be true at the same time. 423 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:17,680 Well, there's an undeniable truth that we have a part of ourselves that's in congruency 424 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:23,560 with our chronological age of development and the temporary experiences that we have. 425 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:26,000 That's just one page of the book. 426 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,440 That's not the entire book or other chapters. 427 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:34,400 And when you cross over to their side, you're more in tune with your infinite spirit rather 428 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:39,120 than the projections or limitations of your own chronological age. 429 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:44,480 Just all giving an example, for instance, we may know a lot of people who are the age 430 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:50,720 of population or senior citizens who might have a lot of physical or mental or maybe 431 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,440 psychological limitations. 432 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:58,160 And oftentimes when they cross over to their side, they come through in readings. 433 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:03,400 They're young, they're free, they have a knowingness to them. 434 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:07,560 They're not limited by the temporary stages that they were going through in that part 435 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:08,560 of their life. 436 00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:14,720 I think what we have in our lives are different experiences, but those are not the full totality 437 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:16,600 of our soul. 438 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:20,160 And all this life is just, to me, just an experience of the soul. 439 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:25,600 We are infinite, eternal spiritual beings having these temporary human experiences. 440 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:30,160 So I think a lot of people attach themselves with where they are temporarily and what they're 441 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,720 going through, and that's just an experience. 442 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,640 It's not the full story of the soul's journey. 443 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:41,280 So crossing over and having my NDE, I was able to be more in tune with the soul rather 444 00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:46,480 than the experiences of the ego or the temporary experiences of this human journey. 445 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:47,480 Right. 446 00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:53,640 It's like your full-grown, experienced adult spirit was back. 447 00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:58,280 It wasn't held back by only being a three-year-old brain attached to it. 448 00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:00,320 Am I kind of getting that right? 449 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:01,320 Yeah. 450 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:03,760 And this will sound controversial. 451 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:08,440 But I don't believe that any soul that we have is three years old. 452 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,240 I think all souls are eternal. 453 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:17,360 It just takes some time for the soul and the body to have congruency and to work with each 454 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:18,360 other. 455 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:22,840 But it's not like, all right, you live another 10 years, all of a sudden the soul has evolved 456 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,080 50 to 100 years. 457 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:27,960 It just takes time for the two to be in harmony. 458 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:32,000 And so just because you don't see it or just because it's not said, does not mean a young 459 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:36,160 infant isn't connecting on one level to the depths of their souls. 460 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:41,360 There's just what we see as the surface of the portrayal, which is by the instrument 461 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:42,920 that we're using of the body. 462 00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:50,120 But that awareness is always there, despite it not necessarily being tapped into at a 463 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:51,120 certain point in time. 464 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:56,320 But then there comes a time where people remember who they are and by oftentimes letting go 465 00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,520 of who they thought they were. 466 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:00,080 Makes sense. 467 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:04,080 Another thing that I found kind of interesting in some of the words that you use, use the 468 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:07,280 words surrender a few times. 469 00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:14,280 And people that I have interviewed that have had drowning experiences use similar terms. 470 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:20,760 And I wonder if that's because when your oxygen is for you, your oxygen was cut off for someone 471 00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,320 drowning, same thing. 472 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:29,360 And it's sort of this coming to realize, okay, I can't breathe right now. 473 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:33,440 And in a little time from now, I'm still not going to be able to breathe. 474 00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:37,560 This whole thing about breathing is just over. 475 00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:41,840 And the brain quickly processes that and probably the spirit too. 476 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:46,320 And then as you call it surrender, and there's probably 10 other words that we could give 477 00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:47,320 to it. 478 00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:52,440 But I find that very interesting that that's a very similar thing because I think you have 479 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:58,960 a little bit of time to process it compared to maybe someone who's killed in a violent 480 00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,680 traffic accident or who knows what. 481 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:03,240 Does that make sense? 482 00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:04,240 Yeah. 483 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:08,560 I mean, I would probably say the majority of people tend to have suffocation and it's 484 00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:11,120 like a slow, painful situation. 485 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:12,120 But you're right. 486 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:17,440 Some people it's like very quick and there's no time of incubation to go into that phase. 487 00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:23,920 So there was a degree of incubation between life and death that I had. 488 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:30,160 But the term surrender is always something that comes to mind and that's quite a pathologized 489 00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:33,840 word in many ways because a lot of people think surrender is giving up. 490 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:39,680 But I think the inverse that it's really giving in and tapping into your power and it's so 491 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:46,920 pivotal in today's world with people in recovery and AA and NA, just the power of surrender 492 00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:53,520 to the higher power, deeper power within to really be in partnership with your changes 493 00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:54,520 of your life. 494 00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:55,520 Yeah. 495 00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:56,680 This is a good kind of surrender. 496 00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:57,880 This isn't I failed. 497 00:33:57,880 --> 00:33:59,880 I'm giving up. 498 00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:02,160 This is yes. 499 00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:07,640 I realized where I'm at and I'm joining in the whole experience that's happening now. 500 00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:09,080 It's a good way to put it. 501 00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:13,920 I want to hear more about your guides and I'm sorry you can't remember their names, but 502 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,320 what else can you tell me about them? 503 00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:23,400 Well, what I would say is imagine the most beautiful individual that you know and hopefully 504 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:28,960 if you're married that's a spouse, but maybe if not that's maybe someone else. 505 00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:34,840 There's an inner and outer beauty that just goes beyond descriptive words. 506 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:43,040 It's beyond anything that you could articulate and imagine that person that you have such 507 00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:49,760 a degree of admiration for and you see such an infant degree of beauty sees the same in 508 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:50,760 you. 509 00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:56,080 And oftentimes we think if something is so beautiful and so great that we'll put that 510 00:34:56,080 --> 00:35:00,120 on a pedestal and we'll say, okay, that's for someone else great, but it's not for me. 511 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:03,600 Like who am I to go to that ivory tower? 512 00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:09,200 And so the beauty that I saw was reflected also from the guides to myself and all of 513 00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:10,200 us. 514 00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:14,880 And so they see us in such a different light than how we see ourselves. 515 00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:22,000 But I just remembered just how physical beautiful they were, how they were with me the whole 516 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:29,560 time in just a degree of the blinders that I had within my human life that wasn't always 517 00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:31,960 seeing them and connecting to them. 518 00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:33,320 And I think that's within reason. 519 00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:38,160 I think we're here to have the human experience and if we're just living on the other side 520 00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:43,960 all the time and we're so connected, it's very hard for us to really live this life 521 00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:48,680 as well as if you're given all the answers to the test, you're not going to grow as much 522 00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:49,960 in work hard. 523 00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:56,640 So I think there's a deal of toil, challenges, resilience, and the evolution of the soul 524 00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:58,440 that happens in this lifetime. 525 00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:02,960 I would say that a little bit with the guides that I saw that they were right with me to 526 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:04,560 the right side, the left side of me. 527 00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,040 And it was just a tremendous reunion. 528 00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:14,280 I just felt just so embraced and so loved and it was just a reconnection with beings 529 00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,480 that were with me all the time. 530 00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:21,560 In terms of their origins, in terms of our origins, that to me is not necessarily clear. 531 00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:27,840 I do feel there's a strong past life connection or at least energetic connection that we all 532 00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:29,360 have with our guides. 533 00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,840 I say there's a magnetism in our lives. 534 00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:37,200 So for instance, birds of the feather flock together and people have a vibe which will 535 00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:39,000 attract our tribe. 536 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:43,520 And I think to the same way, the guides that we have within our life, just there's something 537 00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:47,160 about us that resonates with guides. 538 00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:53,520 And I do believe that a lot of spirit guides have lived lives over here versus angels. 539 00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:57,760 They have not had any incarnations, the angels at least that I saw. 540 00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:03,440 There always been angels, but I think spirit guides to me have had journeys over here and 541 00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:06,920 they've evolved through these lives on earth. 542 00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:10,840 Speaking of past lives, we're going to jump topics a little bit here. 543 00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:14,800 And this is something we haven't really talked about much on this show previously, but I 544 00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,520 know you have a good knowledge of it. 545 00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:20,480 But we've heard the term past life regression. 546 00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:23,040 Give us a very brief syllabus. 547 00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:25,720 What is that and what can it do for people? 548 00:37:25,720 --> 00:37:34,360 Past life regression is a very safe, non-invasive, pretty easy form of hypnosis. 549 00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:38,960 And really all it does is help people tap into the higher mind. 550 00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:42,560 Some may call it the subconscious mind. 551 00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:49,640 But again, past life regression is a way for us to really get in touch with our libraries 552 00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:54,880 that we have and the many different chapters of journeys that we've had here on earth and 553 00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:59,560 to really access higher information from that library. 554 00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:01,480 Some may call that the Akashic record. 555 00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:03,080 Some may call it the hall of wisdom. 556 00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:07,600 There's a lot of different vernaculars for all these things, but essentially it takes 557 00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:13,800 you from your limited finite mind and opens up yourself to access information beyond your 558 00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:15,320 finite mind. 559 00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:21,840 And past life regression really does help people to tap into different lifetimes that 560 00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:29,600 may usually have significance or overlay within this lifetime that are valuable to visit. 561 00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:34,720 A lot of people come to me for different rationale behind a past life regression. 562 00:38:34,720 --> 00:38:40,120 Some are looking for it for more of a curiosity, entertainment perspective. 563 00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:45,080 Or some they may feel that they do not know why they're here. 564 00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:48,480 They want a lot of guidance in their life. 565 00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:54,040 And some may have a lot of untapped trauma that they can't sort out no matter how much 566 00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:57,120 they see a psychotherapist like myself. 567 00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:01,320 There's something that they're holding onto in a subconscious level they can't seem to 568 00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:03,080 get to the bottom of. 569 00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:08,160 So past life regression is great to really, in terms of getting the roots of and as well 570 00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:14,120 as finding some healing so we're no longer repeating similar regurgitated patterns and 571 00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:18,240 we're able to evolve from understanding our own history. 572 00:39:18,240 --> 00:39:24,160 Let's kind of look at psychological history or the planet's history. 573 00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:27,920 Without awareness of those behaviors, we tend to regurgitate those behaviors throughout 574 00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:33,160 thousands of years on this planet as we're seeing now with all the world wars going on 575 00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:35,280 and people going against each other. 576 00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:39,840 I mean, it's just all the stuff with technological evolution. 577 00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:45,400 Spiritual evolution collectively has improved but it's not fully there obviously. 578 00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:49,600 It's still a lot of pockets regurgitating similar behaviors. 579 00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:54,760 And so with awareness, we have the capacity to really change behaviors and to make better, 580 00:39:54,760 --> 00:40:00,520 more evolved decisions that will allow the spirit to really be more expansive and more 581 00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:02,360 evolved within their journeys. 582 00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:05,360 But it is profound and it's very gentle. 583 00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:06,360 It's guided. 584 00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:08,360 It's safe and it's effective. 585 00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:13,680 And the worst case scenario from a regression that one can have is many times they remember 586 00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:19,320 through going into past lives that they weren't condemned in hell, that they're eternal. 587 00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:25,800 And I think in a way the church hit a lot of, religion itself hit a lot of reincarnation 588 00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:29,680 because of fear that people will know that, hey, I don't go to hell. 589 00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:30,680 I'm reborn. 590 00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:34,040 So all of your fear mongering that tells me I'm going to go to hell if I don't follow 591 00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:38,440 your rules is out the window because that's what people will experience in past lives. 592 00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:43,680 But there's no real hell we continue on and there's other opportunities here in this earth 593 00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:45,160 school of life. 594 00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:50,600 You mentioned earlier growing up Jewish and you were only three years old and that was 595 00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:53,440 all you had been exposed to. 596 00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:56,280 Do you mind and if this is too personal, that's okay. 597 00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:57,780 You don't have to answer. 598 00:40:57,780 --> 00:41:04,960 But do you mind telling us how this has affect your religiousosity, religionosity? 599 00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:07,720 What is that word I'm looking for? 600 00:41:07,720 --> 00:41:08,720 Religiosity. 601 00:41:08,720 --> 00:41:11,320 Yes, going forward. 602 00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:18,560 You know, as a kid, I was very much brought up in a very dogmatic circumstance where I 603 00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:27,040 don't know, if you're a female and your skirt is one inch a little bit short, you're ridiculed, 604 00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:31,360 the pots and pans need to be separated if it's made of milk. 605 00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:34,960 You have to wait six hours, not five hours between eight. 606 00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:41,280 So there was a lot of these rituals and laws and dogma that just didn't resonate. 607 00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:49,080 And so I think in a way I was a pretty big rebel against this outwardly and inwardly 608 00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,200 and I never really bought into this. 609 00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:58,080 But again, part of what I believe is key is learning flexibility and adaptability. 610 00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:02,280 And I know that's something that Charles Darwin highlighted and survival of fitness, that it 611 00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:05,400 wasn't the strongest, necessarily the smartest that survived. 612 00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:09,400 It was those who are most adaptable that were able to survive. 613 00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:16,200 And in my childhood to survive, I had to bury a lot of the stuff in myself and keep it within. 614 00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:21,440 Otherwise, it would just be an exhausting all out war against all these oppositions. 615 00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:27,560 And so there was a degree of radical acceptance that I had as well as at times picking my 616 00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:33,720 battles, but I never really bought into it despite accepting it. 617 00:42:33,720 --> 00:42:35,480 And so that was a big part of it. 618 00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:41,480 But there's a big monopolization on spirituality, the afterlife within all of religion. 619 00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:46,960 And I say, spiritual and the afterlife does not exist because of religion. 620 00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:49,920 It exists despite of it in a way. 621 00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:53,120 And religion does not have a monopoly on spirituality. 622 00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:55,520 It's just one way of understanding it. 623 00:42:55,520 --> 00:43:00,640 But for some, it could be the total antithesis of anything that's spiritual, because it falls 624 00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:06,840 in love in more of a God that I think it's interpreted in man's image versus a God understood 625 00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:08,400 in our image in a way. 626 00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:09,400 Okay. 627 00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:11,320 I'd like to wrap up with this. 628 00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:14,440 This is a two part question coming at you. 629 00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:19,080 Part one is this happened to you when you were only three years old. 630 00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:24,520 That makes you different than most three year olds and other kids and teenagers growing 631 00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:25,520 up. 632 00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:28,800 So I want to know how this affected your life. 633 00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:35,480 And then let's leave everybody with a message of hope that came from your life being this 634 00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:36,480 way. 635 00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:37,480 Great question, Eric. 636 00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:44,920 Well, the subscription for most children and infants is to fit in, is to give your power 637 00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:51,880 to adults around you that you're very little, you know nothing and just self abandon yourself 638 00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:57,280 and give your power over to people who are bigger than you or you feel, you know, more. 639 00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:03,400 So from the onset, there's a suppression and a disempowerment that most infants and 640 00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:04,880 children do face. 641 00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:06,440 They're not told that, Hey, you have the answers. 642 00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:11,920 You're told, Hey, we have the answers and abandon yourself to really get on board. 643 00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:17,060 And the other thing is most infants or children are prescribed to be normal. 644 00:44:17,060 --> 00:44:18,060 What does that mean? 645 00:44:18,060 --> 00:44:24,600 Well, normal in many ways is just self abandoning yourself to fit in with what the leaf and 646 00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:29,360 water is, what the tide is in front of you, what everyone else is doing. 647 00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:34,120 And so I think to survive that's something that I needed to do, you know, because I remember 648 00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:40,200 being a kid and having all these incredible interdimensional communications, which often 649 00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:44,600 is an after effective near death experience, particularly with all the brain changes that 650 00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:48,160 happened after my NDE, but I saw that to survive. 651 00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:50,960 Yeah, you know, I needed to accept that I was a kid. 652 00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:55,120 Oftentimes I was called weird by other kids or just people just didn't know what to make 653 00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:56,920 of me growing up. 654 00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:59,720 And so I self abandoned myself. 655 00:44:59,720 --> 00:45:04,560 But I would say is to learn from those who are about to cross over back to the one way 656 00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:07,160 ticket back home, the pun intended. 657 00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:11,160 And one of the top five regrets that people have is usually that they were someone else's 658 00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:17,800 image of who they wanted them to be or society's priorities of who they wanted to be versus 659 00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:20,640 being empowered enough to be themselves. 660 00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:26,240 And so I think if anything else to be weird, to be different, to be yourself, you know, 661 00:45:26,240 --> 00:45:28,360 that is what's going to change the world. 662 00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:32,520 You know, no normal person really ever added to anything. 663 00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:34,880 I think we're all unique. 664 00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:38,560 While we're all one, we're all have a unique note to add to this. 665 00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:43,440 Just a singer song, dance your dance, you know, say your story, stop worrying about 666 00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:45,240 what other people are going to think of it. 667 00:45:45,240 --> 00:45:49,840 Because no matter what people will love you, people will hate you and very little of it 668 00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:55,760 will actually have to do with you as one of the four agreements of Don McGorrie says, 669 00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:58,200 you know, to not take life personally. 670 00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:02,280 So really to know how to live, how to begin life from understanding from those who are 671 00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:08,520 at the end of it and to not give your power over to those around you and to not be just 672 00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:13,520 a clown to entertain people or to satisfy people with who they want you to be. 673 00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:18,560 But we're all here, part of our life's purpose is to remember who we are, to be unique additions 674 00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:20,680 to this world and to be unique. 675 00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:21,680 That's what will be remembered. 676 00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:22,680 That's what will last. 677 00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:25,880 And so weird and odd people are those who change the world. 678 00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:28,640 Normal people, you know, are never remembered. 679 00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:29,640 They don't add. 680 00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:32,160 So be different, be daring. 681 00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:37,960 That is the coolest thing you could do once you are connected, if that makes sense. 682 00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:40,040 Great wisdom from Jacob Cooper. 683 00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:41,040 Thank you, Jacob. 684 00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:42,440 Appreciate you being with me today. 685 00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:43,440 An honor. 686 00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:45,840 Thank you so much, Eric. 687 00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:48,600 Thanks again for listening and sharing this podcast. 688 00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:54,680 Don't forget to hit the follow or subscribe button and sign up for our newsletter at roundtriptest.com. 689 00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:58,960 If you want to share your near-death experience or if you have questions or comments about 690 00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:03,480 the show, send an email to ericatroundtriptest.com. 691 00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:29,680 Until then, I wish you everything good that you're looking for in this life and the next.