1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:08,480 From the time that they pronounced me deaf was a good 45 minutes. 2 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:13,440 They cut my clothes and then they paddled my heart, my heart had stopped. 3 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:18,120 And I could see people screaming and crying, but I didn't realize that was actually my 4 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:21,320 physical body because I was somewhere else. 5 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:27,400 The only thing that I could feel, if you could imagine, absolute love and peace, there wasn't 6 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:29,400 anything else to be felt. 7 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:32,560 I was greeted by people I'd known in the past. 8 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:34,240 On back home again. 9 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:39,040 Incredibly safe and felt at home. 10 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:41,800 Welcome, welcome to Round Trip Death, everybody. 11 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:46,640 And I want a warm welcome for our special guest, Willow Kaelin this morning. 12 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:47,640 How are you, Willow? 13 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:48,640 I'm doing well. 14 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:49,640 Thank you. 15 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:50,640 How are you, Eric? 16 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:51,640 I'm good. 17 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:53,120 It is a beautiful morning here. 18 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:56,600 Actually, it's afternoon for you, morning for me. 19 00:00:56,600 --> 00:01:00,760 But are you East Coast of the United States? 20 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:01,760 I am, yes. 21 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:05,000 Do you have an idea of where you live and what you do? 22 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:11,720 I live in Michigan and I am a mother to three amazing children that I love. 23 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:17,640 And I work my own business that I created because of necessity and it's turned into an 24 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:19,440 absolutely amazing experience. 25 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:20,440 So. 26 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:21,800 How old are the kids? 27 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:23,760 12, 10 and 5. 28 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:25,640 You don't look that old. 29 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:28,760 So I'm going to give listeners a little heads up here. 30 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:34,360 We're going to be talking about your near-death experience, what led up to it. 31 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:40,560 And man, it was a horrific car crash that we're going to be getting into. 32 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:42,000 So let's see. 33 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:44,920 You were, remind me, you were 17 years old. 34 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:47,520 This was a few years ago. 35 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:49,360 What was going on that day? 36 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:52,880 What put you in that car at that place? 37 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:54,520 I was hunted to a second job. 38 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:58,560 I had just finished my first job for morning shift and then I was headed to a second job 39 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:00,400 at a horse stable. 40 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:06,880 And I was waiting to turn onto a side road because there was cars coming toward me. 41 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:09,720 And so I was stopped in my lane just sitting there waiting. 42 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:14,960 I had seen anyone behind me until I had just glanced up in my rear view mirror. 43 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:22,480 I was about to turn and I saw a truck directly in my rear view and that's when it all happened. 44 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:26,600 So it was quite the experience with that. 45 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:28,720 I don't know how much more in depth you want me to get. 46 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:30,600 I want a little detail. 47 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:34,560 You see this truck coming and it's just not stopping? 48 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:35,720 Yeah. 49 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:38,320 There was nothing behind me when I had stopped. 50 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:42,720 There's a curve in the road right there that I had come through before stopping. 51 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:45,400 So I didn't see any cars. 52 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:51,760 And as I glanced up to look before I turned, this truck was literally right behind me. 53 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:57,680 I had like 0.2 seconds to think through what was about to happen. 54 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:02,360 And I had this realization that they're not stopping. 55 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:09,040 And so right after thinking that they just rammed right into the back of my car and launched 56 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:17,040 it about 40 yards to 50 yards inch. 57 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:18,040 Okay. 58 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:20,480 So half a football field here. 59 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:22,120 This was a small car? 60 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:23,120 It was. 61 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:28,000 It was a Nissan 1987 stick shift. 62 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:32,200 I used to call it a tuna can when I was in high school. 63 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:34,120 So a pretty small car. 64 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:35,120 Yeah. 65 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:36,120 It was. 66 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:37,120 Yeah. 67 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:38,120 I was all steel. 68 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:42,320 I think that's one of the things that truly saved the situation just for the fact that 69 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:49,680 it wasn't completely crushed because I was hit by an F-350 which is a massive pickup 70 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:50,680 truck. 71 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:51,680 Pick up. 72 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:52,680 Yeah. 73 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:56,120 That's the biggest one semi-car in the state outside of commercial cars. 74 00:03:56,120 --> 00:04:01,280 So was anybody coming the other way that you got launched into the path of? 75 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:02,280 Yeah. 76 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:03,600 Actually a semi-truck. 77 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:10,080 So when I had been pushed into the oncoming traffic lane, there was a semi-truck coming 78 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:16,280 toward me and I realized it was Jeff Knifey trying to stop from hitting my car. 79 00:04:16,280 --> 00:04:23,480 And at that point is when my memory blacked out right as it was about to hit my car. 80 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:24,480 So I had everything. 81 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:25,480 I'm sorry. 82 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:28,080 I'm not laughing because it's funny. 83 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:30,920 I'm just like, holy cow. 84 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:32,880 I mean you were just sitting there. 85 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:33,880 Yeah. 86 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:37,400 It's not like you were distracted driving or something. 87 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:39,280 You're sitting there minding your own business. 88 00:04:39,280 --> 00:04:40,600 Oh my gosh. 89 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:41,600 Okay. 90 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:42,600 What happened next? 91 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:50,280 The next thing that I remember was it was a very much an out of body experience of I 92 00:04:50,280 --> 00:04:52,760 didn't have a physical form. 93 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:55,280 It was very calm and relaxing. 94 00:04:55,280 --> 00:04:56,880 There were no worries. 95 00:04:56,880 --> 00:05:03,360 It was just kind of this in between limbo state of physical and not physical. 96 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:05,480 It was just like there. 97 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:07,320 It was very peaceful. 98 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:11,360 I remember it feeling warm and comforting in some way. 99 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:13,760 And it felt like it lasted quite a while. 100 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:18,280 Like I was, it was just a state that I was in for quite a while is how it felt. 101 00:05:18,280 --> 00:05:24,600 And then from there I dropped back into my body. 102 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:31,440 But when I dropped into my body, I was on the side of the road in the ditch. 103 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:40,160 So the interesting part about this is that there's no realistic way that I could have 104 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:41,320 ended up there. 105 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:43,040 The doors in my car were closed. 106 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:48,560 The windows were closed and were somehow not shattered from the impact. 107 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:53,200 I didn't have any airbag in my car from my memory of it. 108 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:57,600 So nothing deployed to help me in that situation. 109 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:03,080 And logically speaking, there's no way that I should have ended up outside of my car because 110 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:05,480 I would have ended up outside of my car on impact, right? 111 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:07,760 Like I would have gone through the windshield or something. 112 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:10,040 But I had my seatbelt on also. 113 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:15,160 So I was in this limbo state of nothingness and just calm, peace, serenity, and then 114 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:18,960 all of a sudden I'm dropping into my body in the ditch. 115 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:21,040 That was about 15 feet away from my car. 116 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:26,080 Okay, we're going to come back to that cool, peaceful state. 117 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:28,560 I want to hear about your body now. 118 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:33,040 Do you have any explanation for how it got out of the car? 119 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:38,600 And do you feel like your life was saved because you ended up outside the car? 120 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:43,600 I definitely feel like my life was saved ending up outside of the car. 121 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:45,760 I do not know at all. 122 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:47,720 That part of my memory is entirely blank. 123 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:55,680 I remember everything after dropping back in and before the semi truck would have hit 124 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:57,000 my car. 125 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:02,760 I don't remember that little part of how I ended up outside of the car. 126 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:08,800 I walked away from the accident, I was able to walk, but I had a compacted spine by about 127 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:18,680 two inches and then I had a dislocated shoulder that was partially torn and a massive concussion. 128 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:21,520 But I still remember what happened during the accident. 129 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:28,480 So I feel like there was some massive form of divine intervention in that whole situation. 130 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:31,080 Yeah, definitely. 131 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:33,080 So are you... 132 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:37,320 Again, I'm sorry for laughing, but I'm just picturing. 133 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:42,080 You must have been walking around like help. 134 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:45,580 Was there an ambulance there soon after? 135 00:07:45,580 --> 00:07:50,040 Not too long after, and yet there was actually a construction site right at that intersection 136 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:52,680 that I was trying to turn at. 137 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:58,320 And the bystanders that had seen what happened estimated the truck that hit me to be going 138 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:01,720 around 70 miles per hour and a 55. 139 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:04,920 And construction workers see traffic all the time. 140 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:10,160 So personally, I'd probably believe their judgment on that. 141 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:13,880 And they actually changed that whole intersection after this accident occurred because there 142 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:18,200 was no passing lane at that point to go around somebody waiting to turn. 143 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:22,200 But just a few short months after this, they put one in. 144 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:26,480 And nobody came and checked on my car at all. 145 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:30,960 Nobody thought that there was somebody that could survive what had just happened to that 146 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:32,600 car. 147 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:34,560 So nobody came and checked on me. 148 00:08:34,560 --> 00:08:40,080 But I remember waking up in the ditch and remembering I needed help. 149 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:41,560 And it was pretty disoriented. 150 00:08:41,560 --> 00:08:46,680 I tried to walk like I was able to get up and I tried to walk in between the semi truck 151 00:08:46,680 --> 00:08:50,240 in my car because that seemed like the shortest distance to get to the other side of the road 152 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:52,040 to get help. 153 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:56,120 But I couldn't fit my leg in between the space that was there. 154 00:08:56,120 --> 00:09:01,600 It was probably 82 inches in between where the semi truck stopped and where my car was. 155 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:05,600 So I was leaning on my car and got around it and then ended up on the other side of 156 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:09,680 the road and just I remember collapsing on the other side. 157 00:09:09,680 --> 00:09:17,280 And the lady who hit me, I remember her being frantic and seeing me drop over there and 158 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:19,720 come to try to help. 159 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:23,080 I was not in a state of wanting to be around her. 160 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:26,600 I remember her saying that she was talking to her mom on the phone. 161 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:29,920 She didn't see me and she was crying and she was super upset. 162 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:36,040 And it was very, my body was very painful so I didn't want anybody to touch me. 163 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:47,120 But then there was some EMT from the construction site who had seen what obviously what happened. 164 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:52,320 And they rushed over to me and essentially carried me into one of their pickup trucks 165 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:56,600 and held my head really still before the ambulance got there because they thought I probably 166 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:58,760 had fractured my spine. 167 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:02,200 It was quite a crazy day. 168 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:06,880 This ditch, how far was it from where your car came to rest? 169 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:09,480 It was about, I would say 12 to 15 feet. 170 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:13,880 It wasn't insanely far but at the same time it was far enough that it didn't make any 171 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:15,760 sense how I ended up there. 172 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:23,000 On the semi truck that was coming in a direction to T-bone you that was two inches from your 173 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:27,720 car, had it hit the car or did it actually stop in time? 174 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:30,640 My recollection is two different things. 175 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:31,640 It's both. 176 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:37,280 So when I blacked out, I remember seeing that semi truck right at the front of my car because 177 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:40,880 it was coming toward me at that point so I had been pushed into the oncoming traffic 178 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:43,080 lane and it was coming at me. 179 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:48,280 I remember seeing it at the very front of my car and then I blacked out. 180 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:52,920 But when I came to, there was about two inches in between this semi and my car. 181 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:57,360 The only reason I know that is because I tried, for whatever reason, tried to walk in between 182 00:10:57,360 --> 00:11:00,120 because it seemed like a closer distance. 183 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:05,400 So I had both memories of that. 184 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:07,280 It's very interesting. 185 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:13,280 There's no way for me to try and differentiate the two, I guess, they're both there. 186 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:14,960 Yeah, that's okay. 187 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:18,880 Let's go back to, you talked about coming back into your body. 188 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:22,480 So you obviously felt like you were out of body. 189 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:27,920 Now as you know, the typical NDE and it's not even that typical because every single 190 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:32,080 one is different but people talk about going through a tunnel towards the light and this 191 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:37,600 kind of cool stuff and maybe meeting relatives or loved ones or something. 192 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:39,600 Yours wasn't like that. 193 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:43,480 That doesn't make it any less real or anything else. 194 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:45,760 Give me more detail about what it was. 195 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:49,480 Did you ever see anything or was it all feeling? 196 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:50,920 It was all feeling really. 197 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:57,880 It was like thinking back on it, it feels overwhelming, the amount of peace and serenity 198 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:00,840 and connection that I was feeling. 199 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:05,800 But at the time that I was feeling it, it just felt natural and it was the best way 200 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:11,760 they could describe it is how people describe the overarching source energy of the planet 201 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:15,600 where it's everything is connected. 202 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:20,400 And that's really how it felt is that there was a connection to everything and everything 203 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:26,960 was one all in the same and it was so incredibly serene and peaceful and comforting and just 204 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:33,400 this overwhelming feeling of love for everything, so unconditional love. 205 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:35,800 But there was no visuals to it for me. 206 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:40,640 It was just all feeling and emotion that was coming through and it was the most peaceful 207 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:42,480 I've ever felt in my entire life. 208 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:44,880 So long did you feel like it went on? 209 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:48,240 Do you have any feeling of time and space? 210 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:49,240 That's a great question. 211 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:54,280 It felt like it went on forever but then when I got back into my body it felt like it had 212 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:56,280 only been moments. 213 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:58,440 I mean time wasn't a thing. 214 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:03,400 It was just I was there and that was it and the only thing was that moment. 215 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:08,760 But then when I had gotten back into my body it felt like a flash of time but still very 216 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:10,680 powerful, like present. 217 00:13:10,680 --> 00:13:11,680 Yeah. 218 00:13:11,680 --> 00:13:17,000 It sounded like it was all good feelings so you didn't feel any stress, any pain, any 219 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:19,760 fear, any danger. 220 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:26,400 No and I mean you can imagine being in a car accident and seeing yourself getting hit. 221 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:30,480 I saw the truck coming at me in the rear view mirror and then I saw the semi truck coming 222 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:34,120 at me and right at the front of my car thinking this is it. 223 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:35,600 This is it. 224 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:40,840 And the fear and the stress that went through me in such a rapid rate and so strongly going 225 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:47,400 from that to instantly just not feeling any of that and feeling everything that was a 226 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:53,920 higher vibration, a more comforting, peaceful state, like quite literally instantly. 227 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:55,400 It was such a profound experience. 228 00:13:55,400 --> 00:14:02,200 I don't know entirely how to explain that feeling of everything being connected and 229 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:08,280 everything being one but individual at the same time and honestly just this massive feeling 230 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:12,080 of peace and ease and no worries or stress at all. 231 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:17,240 That's not something I've ever experienced being conscious in the physical. 232 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:18,560 That's a lot of good adjectives. 233 00:14:18,560 --> 00:14:19,720 Good job. 234 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:24,000 Did you feel like, how can I put this? 235 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:25,920 Let me back up just a little bit. 236 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:31,800 I've had some other people on the show that have been in horrific accidents and have told 237 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:39,000 me that they actually left their body prior to the moment of impact. 238 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:45,080 Now these were people that did have some visuals and saw what was going on and they felt like 239 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:49,040 they were spared from having the trauma of the impact. 240 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:53,080 Do you remember the impact or do you feel like that happened to you also like you were 241 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:54,640 out before? 242 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:57,720 I remember the impact of the truck from behind me. 243 00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:03,680 I remember that feeling of like, it's almost like a firework, a really big firework that 244 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:04,840 goes off right next to you. 245 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:10,400 It's a huge shock wave and it does, I could understand how that people would feel like 246 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:12,680 it pushed you out of your body. 247 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:14,800 It hits so hard. 248 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:18,720 By that moment, I don't remember physically feeling myself. 249 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:21,880 We're here and we feel very grounded in the physical. 250 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:25,640 After that impact, I don't remember feeling very grounded in my body. 251 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:28,440 So I could understand how people would explain that. 252 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:32,120 It's almost like the impact pushed you out. 253 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:35,440 What was it like coming back in your body? 254 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:37,440 Oh my gosh. 255 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:45,720 Do you know, maybe you've experienced when you're sleeping and it feels like you're dropping 256 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:49,840 onto the bed, like you're falling back onto the bed. 257 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:53,680 It felt like that except it was a harder slam. 258 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:58,400 So instead of the bed being there to catch you, it was very much like smashing onto the 259 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:02,040 ground and then it was just, it was numb. 260 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:03,880 Like I was numb at first, physically. 261 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:09,160 And then the pain started to seep in all through my body and it was overwhelming. 262 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:14,880 Yeah, it was overwhelming to the point of my mind was numbing it out and couldn't think 263 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:15,880 like hardly. 264 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:16,880 I was very disoriented. 265 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:21,280 I didn't have a clear stream of thought in my mind. 266 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:25,320 It was very disjointed, which is why I think I was trying to go between the truck and my 267 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:26,320 car. 268 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:29,480 Because I wasn't thinking super clearly that it would have been more logical to go around 269 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:30,480 the back. 270 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:32,120 Well, you were in shock of some sort. 271 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:33,120 Yeah. 272 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:34,560 Certainly. 273 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:36,960 Tell me about the rest of that day. 274 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:38,440 So you finally got some help. 275 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:40,440 I assume they took you to the hospital. 276 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:41,440 What happened? 277 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:42,680 Yeah, I was rushed to the hospital. 278 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:44,080 They did a MRI. 279 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:45,680 They did a bunch of x-rays. 280 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:49,840 They did testing for neurological testing. 281 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:51,960 I only remember spots of that part. 282 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:55,080 I do remember the ambulance ride was agonizing. 283 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:59,640 They had me so tightly strapped to the backboard because they thought that I had maybe fractured 284 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:03,520 my spine, potentially in a few spots, that I couldn't move. 285 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:06,280 But I remember causing such a bad migraine. 286 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:09,040 I was like begging them to take me off of the backboard. 287 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:13,320 But once I got there, it was a very spotty memory of the day. 288 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:15,760 For three days after, I don't remember a whole ton. 289 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:19,760 I do remember being rushed back to the hospital because I couldn't keep food down from the 290 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:22,520 concussion that I had sustained. 291 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:23,520 It was causing issues. 292 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:26,800 I don't remember what they did once I got to the hospital. 293 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:34,240 But after all of that, when my memory started coming back more fully, I remember that people 294 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:36,840 around me seemed very different. 295 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:40,000 They looked the same, for the most part. 296 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:45,520 But their mannerisms, how they spoke, their beliefs about me were very different from 297 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:48,960 what I remember prior to the accident. 298 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:54,160 Similar to myself, I had a lot of people telling me that I acted very differently and not necessarily 299 00:17:54,160 --> 00:18:00,680 that somebody with acute brain damage would be acting, slurring words, not being able 300 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:02,320 to speak, that kind of stuff. 301 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:06,640 It was along the lines of my mannerisms to them were different. 302 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:09,240 The words that I used high spoke was very different. 303 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:14,800 I had a few very close friends to me and actually my own family telling me that I seemed like 304 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:15,800 a different person. 305 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:18,040 It was very strange to them. 306 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:20,680 How do you make of that? 307 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:23,760 What's your explanation besides a brain injury? 308 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:28,200 The fact that I don't know how I ended up outside of my car, the fact that I remember 309 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:34,320 seeing the truck, the semi truck, at the very front of my vehicle and not stopping and then 310 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:42,240 landing in a ditch somehow and the semi truck had stopped in front of my car in that memory 311 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:45,040 in what had happened overall in the accident. 312 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:50,040 To me, that seems like what I've heard described as a timeline jump. 313 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:56,480 So I had potentially died in one timeline but wasn't finished with what I was supposed 314 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:58,360 to do here. 315 00:18:58,360 --> 00:19:04,120 So instead of going back to source, going up to habit and going to where we go in the 316 00:19:04,120 --> 00:19:11,800 afterlife, I was pushed into another timeline to continue on with my journey here. 317 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:18,400 That's the only information that I've come across that explains what I experienced is 318 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:23,800 having jumped timelines into one where I survived somehow. 319 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:29,040 So to you, that explains not only the changes in you but the change in other people as well? 320 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:35,000 Yeah, because when we look at this, this whole experience launched me into the study physics, 321 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:40,560 pretty hardcore, specifically quantum physics and it's a very big passion of mine. 322 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:48,360 So when I had come across this idea of jumping timelines, physics actually has a huge impact 323 00:19:48,360 --> 00:19:49,360 on me. 324 00:19:49,360 --> 00:19:53,720 It's a huge theory where there are infinite amount of parallel timelines along the side 325 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:56,480 of the one we're currently living. 326 00:19:56,480 --> 00:20:02,880 And in an event such as this, there is a possibility of your consciousness jumping to one of those 327 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:05,520 parallel timelines where you survive. 328 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:09,880 So with that understanding, little things can be very different. 329 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:13,560 It might be somebody's appearance that you notice is very different or it might be the 330 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:18,480 culture around you is slightly different but everything looks very similar. 331 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:20,400 Just little things that add up like that. 332 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:23,480 And it wasn't something that I came to a conclusion of myself. 333 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:28,440 It was something I experienced firsthand and then dove into science to try to figure out 334 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:29,440 and explain. 335 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:31,760 I've always been very scientifically minded. 336 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:35,720 I went to college for a biology degree and a minor in chemistry. 337 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:42,960 So that's my background with that and why I decided to try to explain what I had experienced, 338 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:46,520 in some sort of scientific grounded way. 339 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:51,200 And that was the conclusion that I had come to as most probable. 340 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:54,280 In addition to that, you were only 17. 341 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:55,280 Yes. 342 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:57,240 You know, that's young. 343 00:20:57,240 --> 00:21:01,560 It really changed you above and beyond, I imagine. 344 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:03,040 Tell me in what ways. 345 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:06,360 Oh my goodness. 346 00:21:06,360 --> 00:21:10,120 It was like the world opened up in a way. 347 00:21:10,120 --> 00:21:11,800 And this sounds kind of cliche to say. 348 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:17,680 I've read other people say this but this was actually my experience was that color seemed 349 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:20,880 a lot brighter to me. 350 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:25,680 Almost like when you're a child and everything looks really new. 351 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:27,120 Everything was very much brighter. 352 00:21:27,120 --> 00:21:31,760 I had this ambition to experience all the things that I had wanted to and was pushing 353 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:35,760 to the side to work and to accomplish goals. 354 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:41,760 But now it was more along the lines of wanting to experience life and everything that I had 355 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:48,200 to offer versus just trying to accomplish goals along a path set out by society. 356 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:54,000 So I became slightly reckless after all of this in an interesting way of wanting to experience 357 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:57,920 people, wanting to experience places, wanting to overcome fears. 358 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:04,040 I became recluse at first to try to figure out what had happened and then very outgoing 359 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:10,440 after that because I realized that you never know what's going to happen in your life. 360 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:13,240 And we wake up and we take all these days for granted. 361 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:20,120 We wake up and we take our ability to learn and our ability to comprehend truly for granted 362 00:22:20,120 --> 00:22:21,720 in an everyday situation. 363 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:26,240 We get comfortable and complacent in what we find ourselves in. 364 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:32,480 And that comfortability to me feels more like settling than it does being able to experience 365 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:34,160 the world around us. 366 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:39,040 So that became a huge push for me to be able to experience everything that I could possibly 367 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:40,640 experience in this lifetime. 368 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:44,400 That sounds like a great shift a lot of us could use. 369 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:45,400 Yeah, it was. 370 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:47,560 It was quite the wake up call. 371 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:48,560 Yeah. 372 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:52,680 Do you mind giving me a fun example of one of those reckless things you just referred 373 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:53,680 to? 374 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:54,680 Yeah. 375 00:22:54,680 --> 00:23:01,200 When I went up to college, I went to Michigan Tech University and instead of playing small, 376 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:03,000 I bit off way more than I could choose. 377 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:07,960 So I started an enterprise business under the college for a product called Terrapreda 378 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:15,880 and was starting after about two years was starting contracts for taking the kiln designs 379 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:18,000 that we had come up with to Brazil. 380 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,120 And I was heading the whole situation. 381 00:23:20,120 --> 00:23:24,440 I hadn't really spoken too much to public. 382 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:28,920 I had some experience with it, but within that position, I was speaking to two and three 383 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:36,120 hundred people, crowds from faculty to students all across the MTU and local community members 384 00:23:36,120 --> 00:23:41,880 as well, all about the project that we were putting on and how we were going about doing 385 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:45,520 the design work for the kiln and the different contracts that were coming up through businesses 386 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:49,040 that wanted to deploy these kilns in third world countries. 387 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:53,800 That was one of the ones that was maybe more productive, but in a reckless way because 388 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:56,480 I didn't care how it affected my schoolwork. 389 00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:58,800 That seemed more important to me. 390 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:03,120 Another one that was more along the lines of a 17 year old, the 18 year old was I decided 391 00:24:03,120 --> 00:24:10,200 to go cliff jumping and I was very shy with that kind of an endeavor before this entire 392 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:13,240 experience, but I decided, nope, I'm going to go do it. 393 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:18,000 And I jumped off a 50 foot cliff into the water in a place where everybody goes to do 394 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:19,000 that kind of thing. 395 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:22,640 It was not something I would have ever even thought about doing before this experience, 396 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:27,840 but I wanted to overcome that fear so strongly that it pushed me to experience it, which 397 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:28,840 was phenomenal, by the way. 398 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:32,240 I highly suggest that in a safe space. 399 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:38,720 And experiencing parties and people and communities that I was incredibly what my community would 400 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:42,760 have said street edged before having this experience. 401 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:43,920 I was straight A student. 402 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:45,240 I did not go to parties. 403 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:46,240 I did not drink. 404 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:49,800 I did not do anything that would have put me in any kind of danger. 405 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:56,240 And after this experience, I was joining up with sailing teams with people that I knew 406 00:24:56,240 --> 00:25:01,200 from college while I was still a senior in high school and going with them all the time 407 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:06,840 to go sailing and experience life to more of a full state, I guess. 408 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:08,760 Albeit I was doing it responsibly as well. 409 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:11,960 So that's a that's a good thing. 410 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:15,080 But definitely getting out there to experience it. 411 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:16,080 Yeah. 412 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:21,400 Most people that have had really profound NDEs, and I'm talking about the more classic 413 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:25,640 NDEs, come back with absolutely no fear of death. 414 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:31,000 And most of them had a lot of fear of death prior to what's your level of that fear now 415 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:32,000 now. 416 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:33,000 I have. 417 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,200 Yeah, I completely agree with that. 418 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:38,600 I don't have a fear of death or dying. 419 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,920 My biggest fear is what would happen with my children. 420 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:44,120 But that's not something I can control. 421 00:25:44,120 --> 00:25:48,840 So that's one of those things that I have to learn how to relinquish control over. 422 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:50,160 But yeah, absolutely. 423 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:51,680 I really don't fear dying. 424 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:57,280 I see it as a transition into the next part of life because that's that's how it felt. 425 00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:59,600 It was a transitional thing. 426 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:01,400 There was no pain to it. 427 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:05,480 It was just I was here one minute and they're the next. 428 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:12,480 In addition to some of these personality shifts, did you come back with any special intuition, 429 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,080 spiritual gifts, anything like that? 430 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:16,080 Yes. 431 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:19,440 So prior to this happening, I was very in tuned. 432 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:23,400 I had a really unconventional childhood. 433 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:28,680 I was raised in homeschooling out in the middle of nature without any neighbors around. 434 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:33,880 So the people that we saw, we went and traveled to see each week and we were involved and 435 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:34,960 I was social. 436 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:41,920 But my closest friends growing up were forest animals. 437 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:46,040 I would sneak out in the forest and try to see how close I could get to raccoons and 438 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,320 deer and just sit there and watch them. 439 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:50,000 That was something I loved to do. 440 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:54,920 And I had animals and I had always been able to tap in with the animals and communicate 441 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:55,920 with them. 442 00:26:55,920 --> 00:27:00,280 Well, at that point in time, I thought I just had a very active imagination and I was talking 443 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:03,920 with them because I didn't have friends nearby all the time. 444 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:11,160 After this experience, I had a profound understanding of what was actually taking place. 445 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,920 It wasn't just me. 446 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:18,040 It wasn't just me communicating with animals and nature around me. 447 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:23,160 Like thinking that it was an imagination kind of play thing. 448 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,080 It was actually occurring. 449 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:28,200 You know, when I had that realization, a lot of things changed. 450 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,080 We had horses and we had other animals. 451 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:34,840 So I started practicing utilizing that because I was training horses, trust training horses 452 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:38,040 before this accident, just my own personal horses. 453 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:42,160 But after this accident, I realized that I could really utilize that ability to help 454 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:43,400 train them. 455 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:49,640 And I entirely went on and did that with my horses and friends' horses then, including 456 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:51,280 through the equestrian team. 457 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:57,320 The teacher of the equestrian team, our coach, employed me to help teach her horse who other 458 00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:02,160 people were having a really difficult time with, but I was able to breathe through with. 459 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:06,920 Including dogs and other animals, I decided that I was going to utilize that gift and 460 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:11,880 help train the animals through the community society so they could find better homes. 461 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:15,120 And so that was something that I did after school on days I didn't have other things 462 00:28:15,120 --> 00:28:19,880 planned as I would go spend time doing that and I would be able to train them, majority 463 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,800 of what they needed to know, going into a home within a week. 464 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:27,200 This is something that's been ongoing and I've helped other people with their pets. 465 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:32,720 It's actually something that I offer now as a service for my clients, being able to communicate 466 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:37,440 with their animals and have seen really fun results with that. 467 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:44,160 It opened me up to an understanding that with the idea that we are all connected and all 468 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:49,840 one living individual lives, we can connect in with anybody and anything. 469 00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:54,800 And science right now is finally starting to prove that plants have consciousness and 470 00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:56,360 that they physically feel things. 471 00:28:56,360 --> 00:29:02,800 They communicate with each other through various different ways and you can actually, if there's 472 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:07,680 intention behind it, connect in with them consciously and learn about what properties 473 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,160 they have, what they can offer. 474 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:14,040 And if you do this consciously, you can go now online and double check the information 475 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:18,080 that you were receiving if it's true or not for what science has discovered about that 476 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:19,820 specific type of plant. 477 00:29:19,820 --> 00:29:22,480 More often than not, you're going to find that a lot of the information coming through 478 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:23,760 is correct. 479 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:31,000 So it's really profound how after this experience, it's opened up my ability to be able to connect 480 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:38,120 in with plants, animals, and people to help overcome struggles and blockages and help 481 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,520 them overcome emotional states even. 482 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:44,840 So that's been quite an experience I've learned to embrace. 483 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:45,840 That is very cool. 484 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:46,840 I like that. 485 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:51,640 Well, have you ever had any other experiences that were sort of like this one? 486 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:53,880 I have actually. 487 00:29:53,880 --> 00:30:00,080 One of the ones I experienced involved internal issues with my body going wrong and I ended 488 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:06,040 up collapsing on the floor at, oh gosh, I was about 14 when that happened. 489 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:09,240 And my brother had to carry me to the car and rush me to the hospital because we didn't 490 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:10,240 know what was happening. 491 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:15,080 I was in a huge amount of pain to the point where I couldn't think. 492 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:19,240 And there was no, I had no understanding what was going on at that point. 493 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:23,080 I had collapsed on the ground after getting up to actually let my dogs outside for the 494 00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:24,080 morning. 495 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:28,360 It was very early in the morning about eight o'clock and I was walking down the stairs 496 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:32,880 when this massive pain hit my stomach and I didn't know what was going on. 497 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:37,280 And it dropped me to my knees and I fell down half the flight of stairs that I was on. 498 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:39,880 And I was in so much pain that I couldn't even call out. 499 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:44,520 I started having to hit the stairs to try to get somebody's attention. 500 00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:48,640 And my brother woke up and came down and got me and just trying to figure out what was 501 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:53,140 happening and just decided that we were going to rush to the hospital. 502 00:30:53,140 --> 00:30:56,600 So he picked me up and put me in the car and off we went. 503 00:30:56,600 --> 00:31:05,040 And when I got there, my mom met us there and at that point, they rushed me into the 504 00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:06,040 back of the ER. 505 00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:07,480 They didn't know what was happening either. 506 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:13,360 I'm being attached to all these different cords and different things and IVs and they're 507 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:17,920 trying to get me calm and I'm having these waves of pain come through to the point where 508 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:19,840 I was throwing up. 509 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:25,040 So they gave me a medication to stop the nauseous feeling. 510 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:29,560 And when they gave that medication to me, I had a very severe reaction to it immediately 511 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:32,320 because they had died intravenously. 512 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:41,680 And that reaction in my mind was so confusing because I felt my body tensing, my whole body 513 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:45,520 tensed to the point where my hands were like this and I couldn't move them. 514 00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:47,760 But in my mind, I could still move. 515 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:49,720 That was very confusing to me. 516 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:53,720 And then I remember my mom looking at me and saying, you need to breathe. 517 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:55,600 And she was yelling at me. 518 00:31:55,600 --> 00:32:00,200 And I felt very distant to what I was seeing around me. 519 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:04,640 It felt like I was kind of receding, like the, the, it was going black. 520 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:10,160 And I remember thinking, but I am breathing and being slightly annoyed that she was yelling 521 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,360 at me about it. 522 00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:14,880 And then everything went dark. 523 00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:22,200 And at that point, I had started to experience this feeling of being like sucked into what 524 00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:28,280 I would describe from the first NDE is avoid, of just nothingness and peacefulness. 525 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,880 So it was being pulled into that. 526 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:36,880 But then I remember just really quickly like launching back into my body and taking a massive 527 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:37,880 breath. 528 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:41,760 And I was shaking and crying and I didn't understand what was going on. 529 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:47,520 And from the information that I was given by my mom was that I had cut out. 530 00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:48,960 Like I was not there. 531 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:50,600 I was very blue. 532 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:55,160 And I had started to flatline on the monitor and she had been able to call the nurses and 533 00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,240 they administered a reversal drug. 534 00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:01,720 Thankfully, that was the only prescription that they had given me at that time. 535 00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:05,040 So they knew exactly what to do to bring me back. 536 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:11,280 And yeah, that was my first experience of a pretty severe NDE. 537 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:15,640 When I came back from that, it was just a very traumatic experience at the hospital in general 538 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:16,640 at that point. 539 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:23,240 And I was young enough that I wasn't understanding how to emotionally work through it all. 540 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:27,920 Feel like the one that I had when I was 17, they kind of compiled like compiled on top 541 00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:28,920 of each other. 542 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:34,240 So I feel like the one I had when I was 17, in a sense helped me work through the emotions 543 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,480 because there was no avoiding that happened. 544 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,080 It was such a profound experience. 545 00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:42,080 You couldn't push it to the back of your mind and just pretend like it didn't actually 546 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:43,080 happen. 547 00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,760 And which is what I ended up doing with the first one. 548 00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:49,600 I can tell it's still very difficult to talk about. 549 00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:55,120 When you were talking about the car crash and stuff, yeah, just the look on your face, 550 00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:58,240 I could tell there's still a lot of trauma there. 551 00:33:58,240 --> 00:33:59,360 There is for sure. 552 00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:05,600 I don't feel like when you go through an experience like that, the trauma leaves entirely. 553 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:11,440 I do feel like our body, when we bring up these memories, our body remembers, and it 554 00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:13,320 definitely affects our emotions. 555 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:20,160 However, I have gained a lot of understanding and a lot of lessons from both of those to 556 00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:25,040 move forward in life and how to handle traumatic situations and also how to help other people 557 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:26,520 through them. 558 00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:30,880 I don't feel at this point in my life I would have had the empathy, understanding, conscious 559 00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:36,440 awareness within myself to be able to help other people through severe trauma without 560 00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,520 having experienced it to that level. 561 00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:42,440 Hey, if anybody wants to get ahold of you, how do they find you? 562 00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:44,880 WillowsQuest.com is my website. 563 00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:48,000 I'm also on TikTok and Instagram, WillowsQuest111. 564 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:49,000 Okay. 565 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:50,360 Thanks a lot, Willow. 566 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:52,040 I appreciate having you on today. 567 00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:53,520 Yeah, thank you so much. 568 00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:54,520 I appreciate it also. 569 00:34:54,520 --> 00:35:18,800 It's a wonderful meeting you.