1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:08,400 From the time that they pronounced me deaf was a good 45 minutes. 2 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:13,440 They cut my clothes and then they paddled my heart, my heart had stopped. 3 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:18,120 And I could see people screaming and crying, but I didn't realize that was actually my 4 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:21,320 physical body because I was somewhere else. 5 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:27,400 The only thing that I could feel, if you could imagine, absolute love and peace, there wasn't 6 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:29,400 anything else to be felt. 7 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:32,560 I was greeted by people I'd known in the past. 8 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:34,240 On back home again. 9 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:39,040 Incredibly safe and felt at home. 10 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:41,920 Welcome, welcome to Round Trip Death, everybody. 11 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:45,960 And please welcome our special guest today, who I'm going to try so hard to pronounce 12 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:49,680 her name right, Dr. Efrat Shoketh. 13 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:50,680 Perfect. 14 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:52,520 Thank you. 15 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:53,920 A nod is not good enough. 16 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:56,200 I need the little pad on the back. 17 00:00:56,200 --> 00:01:01,840 And Efrat, you are in Israel right now, which is amazing. 18 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:05,480 You're our first guest to be on From Israel. 19 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:07,560 So welcome. 20 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:12,880 And before we jump into it, and just to promise, people are going to love this today. 21 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:14,880 We're talking about something a little bit new. 22 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:16,680 But first, tell us about you. 23 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:19,320 First, gratitude and thank you for having me. 24 00:01:19,320 --> 00:01:23,480 I'm curious and looking forward to this conversation. 25 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:26,400 My name is Efrat, and I am indeed from Israel. 26 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:33,200 I'm a mother of three teens, teen daughters, all of them girls, amazing teachers that I 27 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:35,360 received for this lifetime. 28 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:36,560 We'll be talking about my books. 29 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:39,280 So in my book, I refer to when there were babies. 30 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:41,080 I have four dogs. 31 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:44,600 I love my dogs so much that whatever they want me to do, I will do for them. 32 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:46,800 Give them candy and more vlogs. 33 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:49,160 What kind are they? 34 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:50,480 All kinds of mixes. 35 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:52,720 Two big ones, two little ones. 36 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:58,080 And I am working with children following my New Day's experience, which we'll be talking 37 00:01:58,080 --> 00:01:59,080 about. 38 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:05,480 I learned how to work with the spiritual tools and ways and dimensions. 39 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:07,080 It came my way. 40 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:08,760 Learned how to work with shamanic practices. 41 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:15,560 And today, I mostly work with children, teens, parents, using shamanic tools worldwide. 42 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:17,640 Did you say your girls are teenagers? 43 00:02:17,640 --> 00:02:18,640 Yes. 44 00:02:18,640 --> 00:02:19,640 How old? 45 00:02:19,640 --> 00:02:20,640 17. 46 00:02:20,640 --> 00:02:23,880 And my twins are 15, almost 15. 47 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:26,520 Tell me if our family was typical. 48 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:33,320 When those teenage girls hit 16, 17, all of a sudden they butted heads with their mother 49 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:35,280 a lot. 50 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:37,680 Luckily my relationship was still good with them. 51 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:43,760 Are you experiencing any of that or are you a perfect parent so it's not happening? 52 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:46,360 I'm not a perfect parent. 53 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:47,360 None of us are perfect. 54 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:49,360 We're always growing and learning. 55 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:52,360 I find that it's mostly about what I don't know. 56 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:58,520 But I am blessed, blessed, blessed and I'm grateful from morning to evening and from evening 57 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:05,080 to morning that my relationship with my daughters is very warm, loving, respectful. 58 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:07,520 We have very, very good communication. 59 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:13,240 So far we hardly clash, but if it happens, it happens. 60 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:17,480 And if that's what they'll need on their journey, I'll be there for that as well. 61 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:24,720 I think we're all very appreciative of the fact that I'm here alive and their mom and 62 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:27,320 they are very much aware of it as well. 63 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:30,020 And also we do spiritual work. 64 00:03:30,020 --> 00:03:31,480 We do shamanic journey. 65 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:32,480 We meditate. 66 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:34,480 They have the spiritual tools as well. 67 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:39,280 We release the energy and the density that naturally creates between family members just 68 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:43,760 about who took the garbage out or those stuff like that. 69 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:47,920 So we add in the energetics and we clear those pieces. 70 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:54,000 And I think that helps us a lot in our way of life and we choose love. 71 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:59,040 We choose to wake up in love and to finish our days with love. 72 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:02,360 So far as of today, we're good. 73 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:03,360 That is beautiful. 74 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:09,060 We're going to be getting into your near-death experience and also talking about how it relates 75 00:04:09,060 --> 00:04:10,720 to parenting. 76 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:15,280 And you ended up writing a book about it, which I'm just going to give you this shameless 77 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:17,040 plug right now. 78 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:22,840 It's called The Promise We Made Three Universal Soul Promises We Made To Our Children. 79 00:04:22,840 --> 00:04:27,880 And my copy didn't show up till yesterday, so I haven't had time to read it yet. 80 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:30,160 So I'm really looking forward to this. 81 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:31,800 Let's start from the beginning. 82 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:33,560 What led to your near-death experience? 83 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:35,440 I know you were in a car accident. 84 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:36,920 Give us a little bit of background. 85 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:37,920 Where were you? 86 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:39,680 What was going on with your life then? 87 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:46,760 So a bit of the background before the car crash, I finished my postdoctoral studies in organizational 88 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:51,680 social psychology, working in multicultural teams. 89 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:55,040 My toddler, my older daughter was a toddler. 90 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:58,720 She was a little over three years old and my twins were 13 months old. 91 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:01,480 I was mostly home with them. 92 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:09,440 And I was just teaching in an academic university, just one horse a week. 93 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:11,240 And I was mostly home. 94 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:12,640 It was a choice. 95 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:16,120 And I had a fairly regular routine. 96 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:18,600 Raising twins wasn't easy to start with. 97 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:25,040 And I think just before they turned one and we felt like me and my husband, we felt that, 98 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:26,720 okay, we're starting, we got it. 99 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:27,720 We got it. 100 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:31,800 We figured it out and these are smooth and we know how to handle things. 101 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:36,440 That week of the car crash, the car crash happened on a Thursday. 102 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:43,440 And on that Sunday, I had, as part of our community, we used to gather the moms and the 103 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:44,960 babies. 104 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:53,640 And I invited the group over to our little apartment then to celebrate a year of the surviving, 105 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:56,280 being a mom, two, three, and the twins. 106 00:05:56,280 --> 00:05:59,680 And it was a kind of celebration for their first birthday. 107 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:06,200 And we opened a circle and each mom was invited to share what motherhood means to her. 108 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:10,400 How did I know where that's going to lead me with this book and this whole journey that 109 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:13,400 I found myself walking? 110 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:14,400 And that was it. 111 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:16,480 That was invitation and each mom shared. 112 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:21,920 And my twins were coming and nursing and going back to their friends within the circle. 113 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:24,240 And I was last as a host. 114 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:26,360 And I couldn't say a word. 115 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:28,320 And I had all speech prepared. 116 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:31,760 I couldn't say anything. 117 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:37,760 And what I said was, I whispered, I want to be their mom. 118 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:39,200 I said it once. 119 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:40,520 I choked. 120 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:43,120 I didn't know anything. 121 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:46,600 I think it's go with moms and babies. 122 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:50,640 Soon it was loud and the circle started spreading around. 123 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:55,800 And one friend was sitting next to me, a dear, dear friend, a wise woman, looked at me and 124 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:58,680 said, Frat, are you okay? 125 00:06:58,680 --> 00:06:59,680 What did you just say? 126 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:03,160 I was like, but babies, I was hosting. 127 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:04,160 I put it aside. 128 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:07,080 Five days later, the car crash happened. 129 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:12,800 And I was invited to choose and ask and pray that I would indeed be their mom. 130 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:17,560 So that's a bit of what happened before, like the background of our lives. 131 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:20,520 That morning, it was a morning I was teaching. 132 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:23,560 My mom came to watch the twins. 133 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:26,840 I nursed them, the twins together. 134 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:33,880 I hold that beautiful memory within me. 135 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:37,280 And I took my father on the way to the daycare. 136 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:41,280 And she had a few hours a day. 137 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:42,280 I had time. 138 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:44,440 I talked to his friends. 139 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:45,880 We enjoyed the rain on the way. 140 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:51,320 It was a really beautiful, beautiful Israeli winter, which is fairly warm. 141 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:52,560 A bit of rain. 142 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:53,560 That took cold. 143 00:07:53,560 --> 00:08:01,360 My next memory is as I set to drive to my class, we live in small villages. 144 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:04,040 So the daycare was also in a small village near Brian. 145 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:07,800 And remember, it took me a long time to turn left into the main road. 146 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:11,240 A few seconds later, I remember a sense of a boom. 147 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:13,320 I did not see the other car coming. 148 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:20,760 The other car slipped to the right and fixed the slip to the right, to the left, and bumped 149 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:22,600 into me. 150 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:26,440 And we're actually really good friends now, the other driver, the other woman from the 151 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:28,040 story and myself. 152 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:29,040 An amazing woman. 153 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:32,520 I'm very grateful to her, but that's a different story. 154 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:34,160 And I was out of my body. 155 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:39,320 I don't remember a tunnel, like many share. 156 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:49,880 I was immediately in this most beautiful space, luminous, loving. 157 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:58,480 I have, it's anchored in my body, the feeling of stillness, deep, deep, deep, deep stillness. 158 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:07,040 And within that stillness, the faraway sound of, it's like bells, but it's not bells. 159 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:11,240 Really, really, really soft, nourishing music. 160 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:16,200 And it wasn't something I was hearing or something I was hearing in my heart. 161 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:19,240 Have you heard anything like it here? 162 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:20,240 Did you describe it? 163 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:23,880 Oh, it was like this piece of music or anything like that. 164 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:27,920 So what if my daughter plays the harp? 165 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:35,640 And sometimes when she, she's just making it up, kind of going into a meditative, high-frequency 166 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:40,400 space of around and she plays and just something comes out. 167 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:42,920 That's a bit, that's the closest. 168 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:45,200 It's not the same, but that's the closest. 169 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:47,840 That could wake up those memories within me. 170 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:51,840 I've never heard anything like that here on Earth. 171 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:59,520 And it's like, it's, it's, it's music that came in complete silence, but there was music. 172 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:07,760 I have experienced this music again when I, as part of shamanic journey, when I traveled 173 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:11,640 into the cosmos and visited various planets and dimensions. 174 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:18,080 And then I have had that experience of that same music again, but not here on Earth. 175 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:19,080 What are you seeing? 176 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:20,800 You said it was beautiful. 177 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:26,200 What was beautiful as you look around and I can see you're going back to it in your mind's 178 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:27,720 eye here and that's great. 179 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:29,280 And I'll read a little bit. 180 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:31,280 How many years ago was this, by the way? 181 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:32,280 And what was it? 182 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:33,280 12 or something? 183 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:34,280 13 years ago. 184 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:35,280 13 years ago. 185 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:36,280 Yeah. 186 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:37,280 Yeah. 187 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:40,840 The light was very bright, brightness that would dazzle us here. 188 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:46,120 We wouldn't be able to look into that brightness, but it was beautifully bright. 189 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:53,160 Very, very, very light colors, kind of clouds, feathery clouds. 190 00:10:53,160 --> 00:11:00,120 I don't remember so much looking as I was feeling what was going on. 191 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:01,400 And then I started floating. 192 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:09,000 I noticed I was floating forward like this very, very, very clear and that I was not 193 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:13,480 floating alone, that there were other beings floating in the same directions, not very 194 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:15,920 close to me, but before me and after me. 195 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:22,960 I did not pay any attention to how I looked, but they kind of looked, I guess, in human, 196 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:24,800 in a way. 197 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:29,680 And we were floating forwards and in that space. 198 00:11:29,680 --> 00:11:35,840 And all along I was feeling that it's like the melting of my physical, the melting of 199 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:44,320 myself, the melting of judgments, the melting of beliefs, of who I am. 200 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:45,440 It was breathing love. 201 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:47,480 It was being in clouds of love. 202 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:50,680 It was feeling I am love. 203 00:11:50,680 --> 00:11:54,200 And it's not, I can't say that it happened at once, but it all happened at once because 204 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:56,560 it was out of time. 205 00:11:56,560 --> 00:11:57,560 I felt I was love. 206 00:11:57,560 --> 00:12:04,880 I felt I was accepted in ways I've never felt accepted before. 207 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:07,440 I felt perfect as I am. 208 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:10,640 And I was, I wasn't thinking about my broken body. 209 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:13,560 I wasn't aware that there was an accident. 210 00:12:13,560 --> 00:12:18,320 I wasn't thinking of my daughters or my family or my earthly life. 211 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:24,760 I was just in that very much here now of that luminous space. 212 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:33,440 As we were floating forward and I was melting into this amazing, amazing stillness and beauty 213 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:38,080 and love, I noticed others floating towards us. 214 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:42,600 And those beings that were floating towards us, some of them came alone, some of them came 215 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:48,680 in small groups, never more than three, four, five, and they met those other beings that 216 00:12:48,680 --> 00:12:51,120 were floating forward with me. 217 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:58,360 And these were, I realized that these were people who have transferred and have left 218 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:03,400 their physical body only much later as I was integrating my new experience. 219 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:09,680 But at that time, it was just a beautiful scene, seeing, being floating forward and 220 00:13:09,680 --> 00:13:13,600 being accepted and loved and embraced by loved ones. 221 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:17,760 Sorry, when you say loved ones, did you recognize anybody? 222 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:25,560 I met someone that I, I'm still not never sure if it was my grandpa or my high guidance 223 00:13:25,560 --> 00:13:28,960 at a later point in my near-death experience. 224 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:33,320 And I'm saying loved ones and referring to loved ones that others met and it was clear 225 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:37,440 that they were loved ones because of the interaction. 226 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:47,520 It was such happy meetings of people embracing those who came, people beings, souls, including 227 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:48,520 guidance. 228 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:49,880 They had all kinds of features. 229 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:54,480 Some of them were tall, luminous beings. 230 00:13:54,480 --> 00:14:00,040 There was one that looked like an orb of light and they were floating forward, but I couldn't 231 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:01,520 float forward. 232 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:05,120 There was like this unseen barrier that they were moving forward. 233 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:06,120 They met each other. 234 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:08,000 They were really, really happy. 235 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:09,960 Wow, so beautiful. 236 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:11,560 And they were floating forward. 237 00:14:11,560 --> 00:14:15,160 And I wasn't occupied with, oh, nobody's meeting me at that point. 238 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:17,640 I was just, wow. 239 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:20,200 It was amazing. 240 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:23,200 And I was really, really touched by those meetings. 241 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:29,600 And beings continued to flood from behind me and in front of me and just move forward. 242 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:30,600 And I couldn't. 243 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:32,560 I was shocked. 244 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:37,760 In hindsight, do you think that was because you were just meant to be there temporarily? 245 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:40,360 Yes, yes. 246 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:44,360 I wasn't supposed to go through that barrier. 247 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:46,080 I'm not sure. 248 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:51,760 My understanding is that if I had gone forward, I wouldn't be able to come back. 249 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:53,960 Okay, keep going. 250 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:59,720 And then someone was floating towards me and it looked like my grandpa. 251 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:02,960 And the communication was not in words to tell path. 252 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:05,520 They could just communication of love. 253 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:09,200 Not a lot of how you've been, what happened, not stuff like that. 254 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:15,560 Just how amazing and wonderful and great it is to embrace and see one another. 255 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:21,120 In hindsight, I also know that I've met this frequency more than once later on as part 256 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:26,000 of my spiritual guides. 257 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:28,560 And I understand that there is a chance. 258 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:35,880 I never asked and I leave it in this ambiguity of both that my guide took the form of my 259 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:43,400 grandfather so that I would be able to recognize someone and surrender to the interaction. 260 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:44,400 There are no words. 261 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:48,800 I'm sure you hear that for many other people who are experienced, near-death experienced, 262 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:55,360 but there aren't really words to express the love that is communicated, the acceptance, 263 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:58,120 the tranquility, the calmness. 264 00:15:58,120 --> 00:15:59,520 Everything melts. 265 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:03,160 He embraced me and we talked. 266 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:10,040 And it was a short conversation about how amazing to see you in energy. 267 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:16,320 And then I was invited and he divided me and we floated to this shimmering white balcony. 268 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:22,600 And I was shown a lot of aspects of Earth. 269 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:27,280 And I'm not sure if it was Earth floating, if it was still and the Earth was floating 270 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:35,200 below us, or if it was the balcony floating above stuff and places, happy moments, sad 271 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:42,800 moments, the complexity of the human journey, the many sad choices and the confusion we 272 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:44,360 humans walk with. 273 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:50,640 It felt like days, I know it was probably, we estimate that it was about seven minutes 274 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:54,200 or maybe a little more. 275 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:59,640 It was a few minutes in earthly time that I was not in my body, but I felt like days 276 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:02,160 have passed. 277 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:03,520 A lot of information. 278 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:07,760 I was observing it, not even understanding what I'm seeing, just understanding I'm seeing 279 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:15,960 the whole spectrum of possibilities and gaining an understanding of humanity and answers to 280 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:18,600 all kinds of understandings about our journey. 281 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:20,640 Stuff that I never asked before. 282 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:22,560 I wasn't occupied with those questions. 283 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:23,760 Like many do. 284 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:24,760 Many are. 285 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:27,040 Many people are asking questions and it's beautiful. 286 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:28,040 I wasn't one of them. 287 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:29,040 I wasn't asking questions. 288 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:31,040 I was living my life. 289 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:36,640 Shout had a good life, but with small discomfort that were inviting change because I was not 290 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:45,040 on my path and that observation from that balcony opened up a lot. 291 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:48,560 So you weren't having a conversation there with your guide. 292 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:52,400 This was just information coming to you, right? 293 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:53,400 Yes. 294 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:54,400 Yes. 295 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:55,400 I was shown. 296 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:57,880 It was information coming to me. 297 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:00,520 There were not too many explanations. 298 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:03,600 Just notice this, notice that. 299 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:05,120 Seize a difference. 300 00:18:05,120 --> 00:18:08,440 Like pointing what I need to see, that type of information. 301 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:09,440 Yes. 302 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:16,200 It wasn't about communication or download, like a mental download that came in words. 303 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:17,720 That came later. 304 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:22,760 And then at some point he just said, you must go back now. 305 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:23,760 That did. 306 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:25,680 My time was up. 307 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:29,920 And I had no chance of saying, oh wait, I want to stay here. 308 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:31,360 And of course I wanted to stay. 309 00:18:31,360 --> 00:18:36,720 In many ways I wanted to stay, but I think I understood that as beautiful as this place 310 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:40,840 is, I will return to it one day as we all do. 311 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:42,480 And that was in my time. 312 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:43,480 And I needed to go back. 313 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:51,080 And I was pulled, floating really, really fast and boom, fell into my broken body. 314 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:58,400 At that stage I was gone for about, let's say, an average of seven minutes. 315 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:04,840 We don't really know somebody who didn't see the car crash happen, but stopped immediately. 316 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:07,320 And I was waiting for the paramedics and everything. 317 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:09,640 I was trying to talk to me. 318 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:10,640 And he was trying to talk to me. 319 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:14,320 And he was talking and talking and talking because that's what the paramedics told him. 320 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:18,400 Later when we met him, he said that my eyes were rolling and I was not barely breathing 321 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:22,160 and he was pretty sure I was not going to make it. 322 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:25,840 And he kept asking me, and I remember, were there any babies in the car? 323 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:29,120 Were there any babies in the car because he saw the bases of the click connect because 324 00:19:29,120 --> 00:19:33,640 I had two bases in the car, in the car seat for the toddler. 325 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:37,080 And he was afraid that somebody flew out because the car was broken. 326 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:38,920 And he wouldn't hear my voice. 327 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:41,880 He wouldn't hear anything I was saying. 328 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:46,320 But I felt like I was present and I was very, very, very confused. 329 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:48,920 But it's some, and I don't know how that happened. 330 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:51,720 But I had a moment of clarity. 331 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:52,720 I managed to talk. 332 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:54,920 I told him nobody was in the car with me. 333 00:19:54,920 --> 00:20:01,720 I gave him my home phone number and my husband's name and told him, call my husband. 334 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:02,720 We leave nearby. 335 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:06,360 He's going to show up in a few minutes, just to scold him. 336 00:20:06,360 --> 00:20:08,360 And I was gone again. 337 00:20:08,360 --> 00:20:11,400 And at that stage, I wasn't the luminous dimensions. 338 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:18,120 I was just floating above my car, seeing how they put a fire at the front, me taken out 339 00:20:18,120 --> 00:20:19,440 of the car. 340 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:22,120 I don't think I understood it was me. 341 00:20:22,120 --> 00:20:26,920 I wasn't even asking questions. I was just sitting in that very, very blurry, possibly 342 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:29,520 escaping my really painful body. 343 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:33,360 I was severely injured, multiple injuries. 344 00:20:33,360 --> 00:20:38,840 And a helicopter came to take me to the hospital because I had no chance of making it otherwise. 345 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:44,640 And at that stage, I was already, when the helicopter came, my husband was already there. 346 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:48,800 He managed to leave his car through the traffic jam crate. 347 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:54,760 And he saw a friend that didn't know that it was me through his car keys and told him, 348 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:56,160 take my car home. 349 00:20:56,160 --> 00:21:00,800 And he managed to convince the people on the helicopter, the paramedics, to let him join 350 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:05,560 us and arrive at the hospital. 351 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:08,760 The other woman from the story was also with us there. 352 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:11,280 For the next few days, I went through operations. 353 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:12,840 I barely remember anything. 354 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:16,040 I was in an induced coma. 355 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:17,760 I wasn't in my body. 356 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:19,040 I went back to that. 357 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:26,200 I have memories from that time of going back to the balcony, replaying that movie I experienced, 358 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:29,000 replaying it again and again and again. 359 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:35,080 And then slowly the Lord of the anesthesia and I came back and I had no idea what happened. 360 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:38,360 I did not remember the car crash. 361 00:21:38,360 --> 00:21:42,080 I had a stoma open that was later closed. 362 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:45,840 One of the things, the reflection I received that when they told me that I said, okay, 363 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:47,760 but I'm alive, everything is okay. 364 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:51,200 People are usually when they found out such news, they are really, really alarmed. 365 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:53,800 I wasn't alarmed from anything. 366 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:59,000 Something about my attitude around what happened was really surprising for many people around 367 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:00,000 me. 368 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:06,800 And all I knew was that something really profound happened, that there is a huge reason why I'm 369 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:09,720 here and why I'm back, but I had no idea what happened. 370 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:12,400 I couldn't put any word to it. 371 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:17,280 Yeah, I think that's where the dramatic story ends. 372 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:18,280 Okay. 373 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:22,800 I want to ask about that calmness. 374 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:28,480 Do you think that was because of where you had been and what had happened to you? 375 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:30,920 You were so calm with everything? 376 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:39,600 Definitely, definitely because in parallel to the earthly drama, I was a mother to three 377 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:46,880 little ones, I nursed them in the morning, later today I was bleeding milk and blood. 378 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:48,760 I had a knowing. 379 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:54,160 It was a knowing that something had changed, something really profound happened. 380 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:56,160 And it wasn't about a mental knowing. 381 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:59,800 I think it was my energy, my heart. 382 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:04,760 It took me a long time to give words and to be able to share my story and write about 383 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:11,320 my story and it was just this, maybe a large bird perspective that what was happening was 384 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:16,680 part of a bigger plan, a bigger understanding. 385 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:22,800 And that now I need to go through those stages as the adult babies that I was. 386 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:28,200 I often feel it's like when babies come, you know, they're huge souls, amazing beings 387 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:30,720 coming from far away planets. 388 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:35,840 And in order to be born and experiencing, or as you have to go through that, being cooked 389 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:42,480 in the world and being small, exactly, and then being dependent and letting people take 390 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:49,640 care of you, there's this process that allows you to get used to it and learn its rules. 391 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:50,800 And I was kind of like that. 392 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:52,800 I was learning the rules. 393 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:54,400 I was learning to walk. 394 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:57,560 I was later and I needed to learn how to walk again. 395 00:23:57,560 --> 00:23:59,680 I needed to learn how to eat again. 396 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:02,440 There were so many functions. 397 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:07,040 And I also needed to learn who I was because I wasn't the person who left. 398 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:11,800 Who did you first tell about what experiences you had? 399 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:13,320 Was it your husband? 400 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:14,320 Yes. 401 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:15,320 Yes. 402 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:16,320 And how did he react? 403 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:21,400 Did he immediately believe you or was he a little skeptical? 404 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:23,160 It was all new to him. 405 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:27,320 He's a very rational person, but he immediately believed me. 406 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:32,320 He knew that I wouldn't be telling anything like that if it hadn't happened. 407 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:33,720 Not everyone was like that. 408 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:35,400 Some people really wanted to know. 409 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:38,320 We were really intrigued once I started telling. 410 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:42,520 And I was really looking for who can I talk to? 411 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:45,000 Who can I share this story? 412 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:49,280 And some of the people I was trying to share the story with didn't want to hear. 413 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:51,480 It was too much for them. 414 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:56,720 And some of the people that I shared the story immediately analyzed it and gave me interpretations 415 00:24:56,720 --> 00:25:03,200 and explained to me that it was actually my brain waves or that I imagined it. 416 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:07,320 And maybe it was because of the painkillers I was receiving. 417 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:13,920 It was hard for a lot of people to hear the story, but for me, it was stronger than anything. 418 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:18,520 And I was resting hours of resting when in the hospital and then when I was home. 419 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:22,440 And I was just drifting back to this safe place of light. 420 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:23,440 That's amazing. 421 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:30,720 And it is very common, by the way, for people when they're unconscious or in coma. 422 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:36,680 I don't know that those are two different things, but to go back to this place or to 423 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:44,520 have a very similar experience to when maybe a time that their heart is actually stopped. 424 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:45,960 It's not that different. 425 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:49,520 And so those experiences can happen both places. 426 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:51,440 And for you, it sounds like they did. 427 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:57,040 Maybe some of it was repeated maybe so it would sink even further inside for you and 428 00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:58,800 become even more real. 429 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:01,000 Yes, exactly. 430 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:02,800 Because I needed to integrate it. 431 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:05,800 I think, and that's I think also true and you've heard many stories. 432 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:12,440 So you maybe even have a greater perspective about this, that we have this luminous experience 433 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:15,960 and it can be a new experience and it can be an out of body experience. 434 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:18,280 It can be spiritual experience. 435 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:25,680 And we come back and it's like, at least the environment expects us to be who we were and 436 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:26,880 to be the same. 437 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:27,880 But we're not. 438 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,800 But we ourselves, we don't have that language yet. 439 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:32,560 I needed to learn words. 440 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:38,920 I didn't even know that the near death experience were so common and that it has a name. 441 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:42,720 So I needed to learn all that vocabulary to myself. 442 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:47,960 I needed to understand that it's okay for me to talk about it and that if somebody else 443 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:49,920 doesn't want to hear about it, I can respect that. 444 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:53,280 But it doesn't make my experience less real. 445 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:59,120 I needed to learn what the invitation was because I needed to bring changes into my 446 00:26:59,120 --> 00:27:00,880 life. 447 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:04,280 Everybody has changed when they come back and you mentioned that you were changed. 448 00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:05,960 Give us a little bit of an idea. 449 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:09,520 Was it your personality quite a bit changed? 450 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:11,960 In what ways were you different? 451 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:19,600 I think in the perspective, the perspective of our things, it was a much wider perspective 452 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:21,520 of understanding. 453 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:27,600 My priorities, that was also very clear of what's more important and what's less important 454 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:29,280 to me. 455 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:35,840 Following my truths, and that took time because I needed to unweave and shed a lot of definitions 456 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:40,000 and a lot of limiting beliefs I was walking with. 457 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,760 And that's an ongoing process I still find that there is more to heal and there is more 458 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:52,440 to cleanse so I could become just me, my essence in my human form for this lifetime. 459 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:55,920 So that was also learning my truths. 460 00:27:55,920 --> 00:28:00,520 I think these are the main things that I felt at that time. 461 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:02,520 Some people go through huge shifts. 462 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:04,800 They change their career. 463 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:10,600 They get rid of some relationships that are not bringing anything to them. 464 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:14,360 Was that a thing for you or was it just more of an internal shift? 465 00:28:14,360 --> 00:28:16,240 No, it was all of it. 466 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:22,360 It was an internal shift that brought a choice of who's staying in our lives and who's not. 467 00:28:22,360 --> 00:28:25,440 I had very little energy so that was also a choice. 468 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:30,280 If I have a little energy, I want to, as soon as I started communicating and being able 469 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:36,680 to be around my daughters, and that was a very clear priority or my very close family. 470 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:41,040 And I would not invest that in old friends, but there were a few very good friends that 471 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:42,040 I would. 472 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:44,520 And naturally, some people also, we changed. 473 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,560 My whole family changed and we were going through something and some people can stay 474 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:50,060 around and some people can't. 475 00:28:50,060 --> 00:28:51,060 And that's okay. 476 00:28:51,060 --> 00:28:53,920 Some people returned to our lives and some people didn't. 477 00:28:53,920 --> 00:29:00,080 In terms of my career, I was not on an academic path because I didn't want to be only a new 478 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:01,800 university professor. 479 00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:08,600 I was supposed to start a tenure track in a small college while going also into counseling 480 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:11,440 and to multinational firms. 481 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:12,680 That whole change, I couldn't do it. 482 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:17,400 I tried to go back to teaching because I was encouraged to go back to teaching and the 483 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:18,400 faculty were amazing. 484 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:20,520 They said, just take one course. 485 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:27,760 They were so good to me, but it was all the environment expecting me to return to who I 486 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:28,760 was. 487 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,320 I was lying along, but I couldn't teach. 488 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:34,920 I didn't remember what was on the next slide. 489 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:36,640 I was not ready to teach. 490 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:42,440 I was not able to go back to that academic environment. 491 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,360 So everything had to change. 492 00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:50,880 Your book talks about three universal sole promises we made to our children. 493 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:53,960 Can you touch on those and tell me how you learned those? 494 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,080 If you allow me, I'll take you as a step back. 495 00:29:56,080 --> 00:30:00,240 When I returned, one, I had that prayer of being my daughter's mom. 496 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:05,360 And I wasn't participating in any of the caretaking. 497 00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:10,640 I was in the hospital for a long time and then I was home sometimes on the couch, but 498 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:11,640 not. 499 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:13,040 I wasn't the one approached to. 500 00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:16,320 I was like a picture on the wall anyway. 501 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:19,080 And I was looking to what would make me their mom. 502 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:25,800 I was constantly asking, what makes me my own daughter's mother when I'm not participating 503 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:26,960 in any of the doing. 504 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,800 The doing defines us. 505 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:34,000 And I was looking for something beyond the doing that would define me. 506 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:37,520 And those promises were part of the answer. 507 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:45,000 And another thread that was walking with me and I was obsessive about it, I knew I had 508 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:49,000 to find, I knew it was possible to live with having a nurse. 509 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:53,120 I knew it was possible to feel feelings that are close to what I felt in my near-death 510 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:58,520 experience in the here and now, in a physical presence. 511 00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:03,440 And I was trying to understand, it wasn't a mental understanding, it was an energetic 512 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:10,720 understanding of how do I share my story, this really beautiful space I've been to 513 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:16,440 with my daughters, but not as mom says that mom had a near-death experience and she experienced 514 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:18,840 not, but as their experience. 515 00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:24,400 And as I was healing and I was exploring and trying to find my own truths, I noticed when 516 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:32,480 I'm aligned to my truths, my feeling of that joy, of wholeness, of the monocity, of being 517 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,600 the love that I am, awakens. 518 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:40,000 When I'm not aligned to that truth, somebody suggests something and I'm just keeping quiet 519 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:44,400 and keeping small because I'm not doing anything and I don't feel I have any right to say anything, 520 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:45,920 I'm not aligned. 521 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:47,920 I feel bad. 522 00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:51,120 And that was also aligned with my physical recovery. 523 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:54,120 I was aligned with my truths, I felt better physically. 524 00:31:54,120 --> 00:32:00,640 I wasn't aligned with my truths, I was really weak and unable to participate in anything. 525 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:07,400 And as those understanding integrated, I realized that what makes me my daughters mom is that 526 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:16,240 I see and know and I'm the one they chose to create the conditions for them to feel, 527 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:23,760 to live their life in joy and in illness and to have those experiences of alignment, of 528 00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:28,920 being the love that they are and we all are in the here and now in their lives. 529 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:33,560 And then I was asking, I was asking and at that point I was already writing and downloading 530 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:40,480 and being very, very much guided to ask what were the conditions. 531 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:46,200 And so we each have universal agreements, I think it's better to call them. 532 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:52,600 Why your children chose you, why your grandchildren chose your kids and their spouses as their 533 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:59,200 parents, what was the personality, what is their lifestyle, what are the things that 534 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,680 they're going to be able to teach them and what are the things that are going to be challenging 535 00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:06,240 because we choose also what would challenge us to make a choice to be different. 536 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,360 I grew up in a very academic family. 537 00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:15,280 I needed to make a choice to be a very un-rational spiritual, we still feed on the grand person. 538 00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:19,880 So we choose all kinds of personal agreements, we create the conditions on a personal level 539 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:20,880 that do it. 540 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:25,960 I was asking what makes us all of us, what's the essence of motherhood, what does everyone, 541 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:31,280 no matter where they are born, expect from their parents and what is shared. 542 00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:35,680 And that's when the three very basic universal promises came. 543 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:45,840 Truce, attentiveness and emotion, truce, how do we allow the children to stay aligned to 544 00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:50,480 as they are, who they are in the beauty and the essence and the love that they are. 545 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:55,640 And you know when we see babies, where our heart opens, they press a button in us, they 546 00:33:55,640 --> 00:34:03,600 remind us of love, they remind us of who we are because they're so, it's not about evolutionary 547 00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:08,160 cuteness of making sure we'll take care of them. 548 00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:10,200 It's so much more than that. 549 00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:15,840 It's reminding us who we are, that's like a gift of a journey and they know truth. 550 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:21,920 If somebody they don't like or somebody with a bad energy would pick them up, they wouldn't 551 00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:26,720 express that they don't want to be picked up by that person. 552 00:34:26,720 --> 00:34:30,760 That is so, so true. 553 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,880 I know she doesn't listen to this so I can say it. 554 00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:38,680 When my mother-in-law picked up our first baby, it was it was ugly. 555 00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:39,680 She screamed. 556 00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:44,040 Just, I love where we're going with this. 557 00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:47,240 So the first thing was truth. 558 00:34:47,240 --> 00:34:49,240 What's next? 559 00:34:49,240 --> 00:34:54,280 So Truce's, I'll say something about Truce because from very early age, we teach them 560 00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:57,200 that they don't know what's best for them. 561 00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:02,160 And it's not about not keeping discipline or making sure things are organized. 562 00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:05,320 It's just about respect, attentiveness. 563 00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:10,000 We think it tells you to eat a banana so we push that banana and maybe that child doesn't 564 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:13,240 need to eat that banana or as we said, who picks them up? 565 00:35:13,240 --> 00:35:14,920 Who's they stay with? 566 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:20,520 There's so many little elements, it's important to say that I've got through these mistakes 567 00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:24,760 and I have no self judgment about it because if you have a toddler and you have twins, 568 00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:28,680 sometimes you attend to one and the other one needs to wait, it's part of the earthly 569 00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:30,040 conditions. 570 00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:36,320 But I do believe that we can do often much more than we do in order to respect and listen 571 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:43,120 to those little communications of their truth and as we, and we know so many adults that 572 00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:48,560 are working so hard to find their truth and are growing through so much crisis in order 573 00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:52,280 to find their truth and to come back to who they are. 574 00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:57,600 And I believe that if we allow our children and create the conditions for them to stay 575 00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:05,040 true to who they are, they would have so much less conflict and they would be able to come 576 00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:11,560 and work out and work out whatever they came here to work out, but they won't have to have 577 00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:13,000 a drama around it. 578 00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,120 So that's truth. 579 00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:19,280 And truth is a very subjective thing when you start with my say, if I start with myself 580 00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:25,480 or we start with you or we start with every individual, but as we climb, and I think that's 581 00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:27,960 part of what New Desk Experience offers us. 582 00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:28,960 We're all the same. 583 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:36,160 We're all love regardless of the skin, the religion, the gender, our life choices, our 584 00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:39,800 life circumstances, we're all the same. 585 00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:45,000 And as we raise our frequency and walk our truth, we find that our choices meet and align 586 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:48,280 and integrate and become one. 587 00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:51,080 The second is attentiveness. 588 00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:52,080 They come attentive. 589 00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:54,120 They know how to listen. 590 00:36:54,120 --> 00:37:00,440 They are connected to their beautiful guidance, whether angels or other beings, and they're 591 00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:02,640 not alone. 592 00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:06,160 And they listen and they're connected to nature and to Mother Earth. 593 00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:12,480 And we tell them we'd spend to go home because we have a list to do list. 594 00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:16,840 And we tell them that they shouldn't get too dirty in the mud. 595 00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:22,040 And we do all kinds of things that, and the monster under the bed is not real when it's 596 00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:26,280 actually really frightened entity, but it's very real. 597 00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:30,360 And we tell them again that first that they don't know what's right for them. 598 00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:34,200 And we distance them and we don't let them listen. 599 00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:39,880 So many parents when their child just gazes, that's doing nothing. 600 00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,360 That's bad education. 601 00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:45,680 That's, they need to be doing something all day long. 602 00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:53,720 So many parents feel their kids' schedule with so many activities. 603 00:37:53,720 --> 00:37:58,960 And there is no room for just dreaming, being, connecting. 604 00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:02,920 And then we grow up and we try and find the meditation. 605 00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:08,400 Hopefully we find the meditation that works for us that can bring in that stillness then, 606 00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:10,840 but they come with that stillness. 607 00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:18,240 So second promise is creating those conditions for them to stay still, be attentive. 608 00:38:18,240 --> 00:38:22,920 And all of those promises are mainly about not interfering. 609 00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:25,520 It's not, they come with what they come with. 610 00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,960 We came with the same, but society has its way. 611 00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:29,960 Order is needed. 612 00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:31,240 I understand why. 613 00:38:31,240 --> 00:38:36,960 But we also want to balance things and allow our kids to stay as true to their essence as 614 00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:38,600 possible. 615 00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:42,800 And the third promise talks about motion and that's more about the interaction between 616 00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:50,000 kids and their parents and their family and the significance adults around them that they 617 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:51,640 are just as important. 618 00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:56,680 When a child notices that we take that first step into healing, when we try to give them 619 00:38:56,680 --> 00:39:03,640 the opportunity to be attentive, when we are becoming aware of our own truths and often 620 00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:08,680 becoming aware of our own truths starts with being aware of all those moments that we're 621 00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:12,560 not aligned before we find that alignment. 622 00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:19,120 But as we communicate energetically that we're in a motion that allows the children energetically 623 00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:25,040 to see that we're trying, we're trying to be the essence that they chose to come to, 624 00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:28,360 the potential, the promise. 625 00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:35,720 That's when they can stay, it gives them like a wider time frame, I guess, to stay who they 626 00:39:35,720 --> 00:39:41,440 are because just that really slow motion of parents. 627 00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:47,920 And for some, some parents carry so much wounding and so many limiting beliefs they internalize. 628 00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:52,760 Even if they're aware they want to do the best and create the conditions for their kids. 629 00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:57,440 And you know, and when a baby is born, we promise of the world, we really promise them 630 00:39:57,440 --> 00:39:58,440 the world. 631 00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:00,320 But then life happens. 632 00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:07,360 But even those stages, being really self-compassionate but finding those soul moments of alignment, 633 00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:13,880 of being attentive, honoring, respectful for a truth and acting according to it in the 634 00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:18,680 very little details of life, communicates energetically to the kids. 635 00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:24,080 That parent, that significant adult, that grandparent is trying. 636 00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:28,720 So now you have the legitimacy to stay who you are because that's the right way of staying 637 00:40:28,720 --> 00:40:29,960 who you are. 638 00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,960 So these are the three promises that relate to in this book. 639 00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,880 There are a few more but that we form up in the future. 640 00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:36,880 All right. 641 00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:37,880 Thank you for those. 642 00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:41,840 I'm going to back up for a minute throughout some questions here that I had along the way 643 00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:43,560 that I jotted down. 644 00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:49,200 One is you mentioned that children choose their parents before they come here. 645 00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:54,920 Tell us a little bit about that process and there are some people out there that are going, 646 00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:56,600 hey, my parents were horrible. 647 00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:57,840 I was abused. 648 00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,080 Why would I have chosen that? 649 00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,080 So there's about three questions in one. 650 00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:05,240 Try to give some explanation to how that all works. 651 00:41:05,240 --> 00:41:12,640 I'll try to give my understanding of the process in a short version. 652 00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:15,280 We come here for many reasons. 653 00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:20,880 One of the reasons is to experience emotions. 654 00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:26,280 Experience Earth is so beautiful and there's so many experiences we can have here. 655 00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:31,080 It's an amazing planet with all the sadness and the hardship and the chaos we're experiencing. 656 00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:33,160 It's still amazing place. 657 00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:39,640 And humans are such beautiful beings when they are aligned to who they are, kind and 658 00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:41,640 loving. 659 00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:45,520 And we come to experience all those aspects. 660 00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:48,080 We also come here to evolve and grow. 661 00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:52,240 So we have this kind of a checklist, I guess, of we want to experience this and this and 662 00:41:52,240 --> 00:41:54,720 this because we haven't experienced this before. 663 00:41:54,720 --> 00:41:57,600 We want to grow in these and these and these aspects. 664 00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:04,720 We want to resolve and experience all kinds of relationships with souls that are part 665 00:42:04,720 --> 00:42:06,380 of our soul family. 666 00:42:06,380 --> 00:42:10,400 We also come here to provide some service and maybe a teaching to others. 667 00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:19,440 So we have this checklist and then we're asking which conditions would maximize our chances 668 00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:27,000 of becoming who we are, who we want to be and what we want to do in this journey, in 669 00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:28,800 this lifetime. 670 00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:32,680 Sometimes we choose families that will really, really challenge us. 671 00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:36,080 Now there are limits to violence. 672 00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:41,160 Because nobody puts on their plans anything very, very violent. 673 00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:46,440 Sometimes we know that we may come to a confused family, that the beings that the parents are 674 00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:51,000 confused in, we hope because they're part of our soul family that we will be able to 675 00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:57,800 push those workings that will create the ripple of healing to that family or to those parents. 676 00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:04,760 Each family has at least one being, if not two, that are more sensitive, evolved, high 677 00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:09,920 frequency beings that come and help that family resolve its stuff. 678 00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:15,600 And I meet a lot of children in my practice because there's a sensitive, spiritually 679 00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:17,720 aware ones. 680 00:43:17,720 --> 00:43:24,120 I have a dear friend that she says, I was a bully, she was bullied, she became a bully. 681 00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:31,480 But her ability to walk with bullies and to guide them into healing in her adult life 682 00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:34,640 was possible because of her experiences. 683 00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:41,760 So I think there is a limit, there is a border that we need to know that we don't nut every 684 00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:44,760 violence in bad experience is planned. 685 00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:50,920 A lot of it is because humans are very confused and it is not what we expect when we want 686 00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:51,920 to come. 687 00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:56,640 But a lot of challenges are challenges that we experience in order to become who we are. 688 00:43:56,640 --> 00:44:01,800 Can I throw out another concept and you tell me what you think of this? 689 00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:09,720 And that is that maybe when the children were making those choices, they didn't see every 690 00:44:09,720 --> 00:44:12,980 single thing that was going to happen in the future. 691 00:44:12,980 --> 00:44:17,320 They saw the potential of those parents had to be. 692 00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:23,360 And then maybe along the way, one or both of those parents deviated and through their 693 00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:30,600 own agency to make their own choices, chose to make some bad choices and became a different 694 00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:35,400 or not as good of a person and a parent as they could have been. 695 00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:41,840 And so maybe that child didn't necessarily choose violence to happen to them. 696 00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:47,320 But that was a consequence of the fact that that parent that they chose went off on the 697 00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:48,320 wrong track. 698 00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:49,880 You think that could be? 699 00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:53,600 Yes, definitely, definitely. 700 00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:59,160 And I think it happens more often that we want to, that we wish for. 701 00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:02,360 Yeah, I'm afraid it does. 702 00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:06,120 This human experience where we make so many mistakes. 703 00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:09,400 Okay, now we're going on a whole different tangent. 704 00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:15,400 And I can't help but ask this in, by the way, this is a safe space. 705 00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:20,160 It's non-denominational as to religion, but you brought up something that I just have to 706 00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:21,520 ask a little question. 707 00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:23,560 You don't have to answer it. 708 00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:26,360 You mentioned shamanism. 709 00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:28,600 How does that? 710 00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:35,960 A little bit that I understand about Israel and Judaism, how does shamanism fit into that 711 00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:39,760 and into your community and the way that you were raised? 712 00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:44,960 Does that create some conflict or is everything cool there? 713 00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:46,080 Everything is cool. 714 00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:47,080 Everything is cool. 715 00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:54,360 I was raised in a secular family, secular Jewish family, my grandparents are Holocaust 716 00:45:54,360 --> 00:46:02,080 survivors, and while some Holocaust survivors were all about religious, when they started 717 00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:10,200 to build their lives again, my family, mine took a lot of steps back from religious religion 718 00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:14,400 because of what they experienced. 719 00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:16,440 And my house was not spiritual either. 720 00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:19,880 I did not hear spiritual concepts. 721 00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:24,560 As a child, I had a lot of experiences, a lot of intuition, a lot of knowing, but I 722 00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:26,160 had no one to guide me. 723 00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:32,120 Or maybe it's better to say I was not aware of the ones I could have talked to that possibly 724 00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:34,520 could have guided me a bit. 725 00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:40,280 After the car crash and as I was integrating my near-death experience, I saw that I had 726 00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:41,520 spiritual abilities. 727 00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:46,840 A child of a friend would experience something and she would call and say, Vlad, can you 728 00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:53,960 look and I would just do a light wash, something really, really simple, just share that luminosity 729 00:46:53,960 --> 00:47:00,080 and love that I was carrying in my field and the issue would be resolved. 730 00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:02,760 And I was looking for a framing. 731 00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:09,000 So I started in shamanism as a very ancient body of wisdom. 732 00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:10,960 And shamanism is a lot of things. 733 00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:14,520 So for me, it's a healing modality. 734 00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:20,280 I use it to knakes, I really relate to the connection to earth and to all beings. 735 00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:25,520 Not everyone around me can relate. 736 00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:30,640 And some people around me took some time to digest and I still have family members who 737 00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:33,360 want to know nothing about it. 738 00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:35,560 And I respect that. 739 00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:43,440 But when we think of Judaism and Kabbalah, Kabbalah is the Jewish shamanism. 740 00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:51,360 And the essence of shamanism, of being connected to all beings, of us being spiritual, being 741 00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:59,660 on a journey, earth being heaven, it's the essence of all religions in some way or another. 742 00:47:59,660 --> 00:48:03,560 So when we weave in, I'm always waiting for somebody to write that book. 743 00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:05,760 I know it will happen at some point. 744 00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:11,520 Weave in all those pieces of different religions that are walking and that provide the framework 745 00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:16,400 and order that for some reason we use really, really need because we forget who we are. 746 00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:18,880 It all comes back to the same essence. 747 00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:21,640 Now I'm skipping topics again. 748 00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:24,040 You mentioned the feeling that you had there. 749 00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:28,440 And there you never referred to it as heaven or spirit world or wherever. 750 00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:30,280 Have you put a name to it? 751 00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:34,920 I would call it, they mentioned of cosmic love. 752 00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:37,960 You mentioned that you couldn't really describe how you felt there. 753 00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:43,440 You felt love, you felt other things, okay, dig a little deeper. 754 00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:44,920 What did it really feel like? 755 00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:49,600 How can you relate it to someone who maybe hasn't felt that? 756 00:48:49,600 --> 00:49:00,280 I would invite that someone to maybe recall a moment of deep relaxation and stillness 757 00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:05,640 and maybe even guide them on a meditation because we can go very close to that when 758 00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:08,360 we do shamanic journey. 759 00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:14,400 And when we're in that very relaxed surrendering state, we call moment of alignment of the 760 00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:17,160 sole moment of alignment of joy. 761 00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:21,400 That's the closest I think that in the human experience we can go to it. 762 00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:26,360 In my sense, it's a feeling that as we talk, I feel my energy. 763 00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:35,040 I feel the luminous air surrounding me. 764 00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:37,720 The flow is very, very, very, very soft. 765 00:49:37,720 --> 00:49:41,760 I feel in my cells, in my physical cells as we talk. 766 00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:45,160 And am I managing to communicate that feeling? 767 00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:46,720 I don't know. 768 00:49:46,720 --> 00:49:50,480 Sometimes I do, sometimes I don't, depending who is listening. 769 00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:56,160 It's difficult and I think it's something we all crave that being really loved and relaxed 770 00:49:56,160 --> 00:50:00,600 and knowing where we're at play as we are, we're safe. 771 00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:07,200 People are so stressed and we feel it here very much in the past few months that it distance 772 00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:15,240 us from who we are and then feeling that sense of really, really deep, deep down that knowing. 773 00:50:15,240 --> 00:50:20,720 And I think people feel it when they're aligned and those small moments of being in nature 774 00:50:20,720 --> 00:50:29,040 of surrendering to the soil, surrendering to a tree, surrendering to the sound of the 775 00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:33,840 leaves falling down, far away the water. 776 00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:39,280 Each one of us connects to different elements, but that's when we have a moment of we're 777 00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:42,120 just in the now. 778 00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:46,440 That's when we connect to that feeling that I had in my new life experience, but I know 779 00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:48,440 people having so many other experiences. 780 00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:50,720 I don't know if I answered your questions. 781 00:50:50,720 --> 00:50:53,280 I hope I did. 782 00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:54,640 You're doing well. 783 00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:55,800 And I'm running out here. 784 00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:58,240 I know that we need to wrap up soon. 785 00:50:58,240 --> 00:51:06,040 You are raising three spiritual beings that are having an earthly human experience. 786 00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:11,880 The things that you have learned and felt, how does that help you on a day to day basis? 787 00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:16,720 What piece of advice can our listeners take away from that that can help them raise their 788 00:51:16,720 --> 00:51:18,120 children? 789 00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:24,320 I think that as soon as we understand his parents, the justice we are on a journey, they are 790 00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:25,840 on a journey. 791 00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:33,400 Our whole perspective changes because it's not a dependent baby or a dependent child 792 00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:40,440 or a teen who is struggling or not struggling, who is growing up and becoming their own self. 793 00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:42,280 It's a huge soul. 794 00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:49,600 It's a beautiful being in a dense body, just like you and I and adults that raise them or 795 00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:51,360 try to guide them. 796 00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:56,720 And when we have that understanding, I think something really, really deep shifts because 797 00:51:56,720 --> 00:51:59,320 we respect them. 798 00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:04,280 And when we respect, we set on a mutual journey. 799 00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:08,720 The hierarchy, which is still there, there are parents, there are children, there is 800 00:52:08,720 --> 00:52:13,960 some hierarchy, but the hierarchy dissolves and it's more about a shared journey. 801 00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:15,320 What am I? 802 00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:16,800 How can I serve them? 803 00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:19,560 How can I create the conditions that they need? 804 00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:24,560 And also noticing and embracing all the invitations that they bring us and they bring us so many 805 00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:29,960 invitations because they chose to come to us and they love us and they want us to be 806 00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:32,480 our best selves, our essence. 807 00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:34,280 That's part of the invitation. 808 00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:37,200 And as we embrace it, things just start to open up. 809 00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:41,880 I see that with a lot of families I work with, just understanding, awareness. 810 00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:48,400 Oh, they're on a journey too and if I respect them and listen to them and then guide them 811 00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:53,640 on their lives here on earth, not because they need to assimilate and become and be 812 00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:59,520 able to earn money and to be able to be responsible adults and to have a profession, but because 813 00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:03,680 I'm truly looking at what their needs and who they are and what essence they came here 814 00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:07,000 to express and what they came to experience and we don't know. 815 00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:11,960 It's something we keep even from ourselves, but we do our best to be who we are and then 816 00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:16,080 we serve them and they serve us and it's a mutual dance. 817 00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:19,480 So just be attentive to that, I guess that's the first thing I say to parents. 818 00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:25,960 Be attentive to the journey, embrace it, open up, listen and things will just, we open our 819 00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:30,760 hearts and things start to change because we remember who we are. 820 00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:31,960 That's such a good summary. 821 00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:34,760 I want to leave it at that. 822 00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:36,320 That's a great ending note. 823 00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:40,240 Efrat, thank you so much for being with me today. 824 00:53:40,240 --> 00:53:44,040 If anybody wants to find you or your book, it'll be in the show notes. 825 00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:47,120 Thank you. 826 00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:49,960 Thanks again for listening and sharing this podcast. 827 00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:56,040 Don't forget to hit the follow or subscribe button and sign up for our newsletter at roundtriptest.com. 828 00:53:56,040 --> 00:54:00,320 If you want to share 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