From the time that they pronounced me deaf was a good 45 minutes.
They cut my clothes and then they paddled my heart, my heart had stopped.
And I could see people screaming and crying, but I didn't realize that was actually my
physical body because I was somewhere else.
The only thing that I could feel, if you could imagine, absolute love and peace, there wasn't
anything else to be felt.
I was greeted by people I'd known in the past.
I'm back home again.
Incredibly safe and felt at home.
Welcome, welcome to Round Trip Death everybody and I'd like to welcome our special guest
today who is going to go by his nickname to stay a little bit anonymous.
Shabby, good morning, how are you?
I am fine, how about you guys?
Ah, we're doing great here.
Nobody that's listening has ever met you.
I know you live down in Canab, Utah and I'd like our listeners to get to know you a little
bit.
What is Canab like?
Because when I envision it, I envision the old John Wayne Western movies.
That's part of it.
That scenery is a lot what it looks like in that area, isn't it?
Yeah, it is.
There's two movies that's here in town that have been abandoned years ago.
There's more of a tourist town than anything else, about 5,000 people live here.
Almost everybody knows everybody.
Very beautiful little community to live in.
You're how far from Lake Powell?
I am an hour from Lake Powell, an hour west of Lake Powell.
Well anyway, it's good to see you this morning and I think people are going to be really
interested in your story.
I appreciate you trusting us enough to share with us.
I know you have not shared it much, which is why we're keeping you anonymous.
I love your nickname, Shabby.
What does that mean?
It means the great bear or grizzly bear in Cherokee.
My grandfather was a Native American.
I grew up with him and that influenced and he taught me the language and the culture
and all the stuff that goes with that.
You have been through some very difficult things in your life.
We won't dwell on those too much, but you've had multiple near-death experiences and that's
what we're going to be talking about.
I'm not even sure where to start because your first one, I believe, was when you were four
years old.
Tell me about the one that stands out to you the most.
If I said, Shabby, I know you've had a lot of experiences, but what one is the most memorable
or you learn the most from?
Let's start there.
When did that happen?
Two, but they're kind of equal in importance.
The one where I was taught the most, I think, was when I was six years old.
I was brutally raped by two women who were trying to get evil with my father, who was
a very evil man by every definition of the word.
I thought by her to me, they were her family and they proceeded to do some really nasty
things to me.
I was in the hospital for about two months and I had 220 plus stitches to put me back
together.
During the surgery to put me back together, I died twice, one time for a little over eight
minutes and the second time was a little over six minutes.
A lot of people have a lot of ideas that I'm not quite so sure they are having that they
understand about what actually happens.
For me, it was a very beautiful experience.
It was a life-changing experience because it confirmed some of the things that my grandfather
taught me when I was a little, I mean, when I was about four years old, he started teaching
me.
One thing I was taught as a child by my grandfather and my mother, my dad, we won't get there,
because I have absolute faith in Jesus Christ that he would answer all of our questions
and that he loved us unconditionally, that if we didn't doubt him, that he would come
to us when we need him.
That happened in the first NDE, the first major NDE that I had.
If you don't mind, I want to get into the details of that.
Tell me, lots of people say they went through a tunnel to some other place.
Some people are in the hospital and see their body and what's going on.
What first happened that you remember?
The first thing that happened was I felt my heart quit beating and then I was looking
at my body and then a messenger to this day, I don't know who it was, came to me and said,
and asked me to follow him.
He took me up the staircase, it was very well lit.
There was an angel standing at the top of it, most of whom he needed to come forward.
This messenger was holding my hand and walking with me and he told me not to be afraid and
that it was all good, but this is going to be a short little visit.
Their definition of visit was a lot different than ours.
As I walked up the staircase, it was bright, it was blue and white and absolutely beautiful
in every sense of the word.
When I got to the top of the staircase, I was taken by this messenger at the top into
a room and I was just told to wait.
The room had a big white sofa sitting there, at least it looked like a sofa.
It had two curled ends on either end of it and I was asked to sit.
I was also greeted by a bunch of other people as they were passing by and each of them took
time to welcome me and to ask me who I was as if they didn't know, but then they did
and then they would call me by my Indian name, which was pretty interesting because I had
never shared that name with anybody to that point.
I had very few people today even know it.
I was asked to sit down and that somebody would come and visit with me.
I was introduced to a lady who said that she would be my guide and she would answer my
questions that various people were going to come and talk to me.
She says, one you already know, but you've never met him, at least not in this life.
I thought that was interesting.
While sitting there waiting, which seemed like forever, even though it was just a few
seconds, I was only six years old.
I was told to look at a monitor that was at one end of the sofa and I was told that if
I had any questions at all, I could ask the monitor and if I had faith, it would respond
and show me whatever I asked for.
And being young and innocent, I wanted to know if I was alive or dead, if I was going
to live or if I was going to stay there.
And it showed me my life.
We're up to that point.
I was shown the first surgery that I had and why I survived it and how I was born and
who the doctors were.
I was shown my mother with what she was wearing the day she brought me home because I was
curious about us.
I was just a little boy, really innocent.
Then she asked me another question, which was still stages of smear to this day is, do
you really love Jesus Christ and would you like to meet him?
Having read the Bible with my grandfather many times, of course I said yes.
Just wait a few minutes or wait a little while.
So she said, wait just a little bit and he will be right here.
He came and called me by a name from the Church.
He called me by this new name, which I didn't know anything about until many, many years
later.
He said he had a message for me and that I could ask him anything I wanted and he would
answer if he thought it was important for me to know.
I asked him, have I done anything wrong and what would my life be?
Once he mad at me, which is why I was dead and he said he wasn't mad at me and that
he loved me and he smiled at me and just the most beautiful smile that anyone I've ever
seen has ever given.
He put the signs around me and I could feel him and he said the reason you're going through
this trial is that for where great blessings are given, much is required.
I asked him if I was going to be blessed and he said yes and he said that I would be tested
heavy throughout my life.
He said that there would be more to come at another time and that he wasn't finished
talking to me and that he had more information to share with me at some future date.
I was then at that point brought back to my body for just a few minutes while the doctor
swore at me and I kept hearing one doctor saying I can't give up, I can't give up,
I can't quit on him.
At that point in time I was brought back again to the staircase and brought him to another
bedroom and I was instructed about a few things that would happen in my life and the
people that I would meet and that I was to prepare myself by studying the scriptures
and staying faithful and then I said to the messenger, well I'm going to screw up life,
I'm going to make a lot of mistakes and then I learned about the atonement, what that was
all about and why Jesus died for us.
A lot of people have a lot of different ideas about it.
He said this messenger and she was my guardian angel, she's been with me my entire life.
In fact I just saw her a couple days ago and that's a different discussion.
But I was told that as I went through my life that certain people would try to influence
me and change me and that I was to not let them and that I was always to stay close to
the Lord by reading the scriptures.
I was also told to learn everything I could about Jesus, not from people but by prayer
and faith.
Wow, let me just take a breath here before I ask you a hundred questions.
That is really cool and amazing and must have helped you through your recovery after that
because you remembered all this as soon as you woke up, right?
That was a question I was asked if I wanted to remember this or not and I said yes.
I was asked if I wanted to remember and I told him I wanted to remember because I didn't
want to forget Jesus.
Yeah.
Did you see any other things?
Were you just in this room the whole time?
There were a lot of people in the room.
I saw my great grandfather and he came and told me that he would be with me as well as
other people.
I asked about the prophets in the Bible if they were real.
Several of them came forward and told me they were and said they were where are folks
going on and that I had to finish in this life which is why I wasn't going to die but
I had to be there to get some understanding that would prepare me for the time when that
came.
There have been a lot of those things that have been fulfilled and some even recently.
Those are amazing questions for a six-year-old.
Do you think maybe once you were in that place your brain was functioning more like an adult?
Does that make sense?
I don't know if that's true or not.
My grandfather taught me and I was about five years old when he said this.
He says if someone can build a house, you can build a house.
If someone can build a car, you build a car.
He says the only limits you have are the ones you allow others to place upon you.
And then he said we were reading about Einstein.
He said Albert Einstein couldn't tie his shoes.
He was using between 25 and 27% of his brain solvability.
He says what if you tapped into 28 or 29 or 30?
What could you do?
And that stuck with me.
And then he challenged me to read as many books as I could.
He taught me to read by reading the Bible and he says if I could match the words in
that book, nothing in life would be too difficult.
And so I had that understanding that if I asked the right question, I would get the right
answer.
And so I was thinking when I was sitting there, it's like if I'm allowed to ask anything,
what I want to know.
And I was innocent, but I wanted to know what my purpose in life was and who was I really.
And I asked Jesus, who am I?
And he says I was his son.
But he loved me.
And then explained the atonement to me.
And very few people I think understand what the atonement is and how deep it is and how
vast it is.
It's a very simple principle, but it has a lot of different parts to it.
As I listened, I remembered everything and he asked me to obey him.
And I said, well, what if I screw up?
I'm a little kid.
I'd already made a lot of mistakes because I was just an adult.
I was always outside and always involved in things.
I said, what if I screw it up?
And he said, come and ask me to forgive you.
And I will.
And he said, now it's time for me to come back.
And that was after the second time.
I said, it was time for me to come back.
But that he had other messages to share with me, but I wasn't ready at that point to hear
them.
I needed more understanding of life and people before he could share those things with me.
Wow, that's amazing.
Thank you for sharing all of that.
I imagine you remembered in your mind what he looked like.
Have you seen paintings during your life that remind you of what he looked like or were
even close?
That is an intriguing question, an interesting question.
I'm glad you asked that.
I have never, I've only, I've got one painting that a friend of mine made for me.
She was an artist and I was involved with a group that they were searching the scriptures
and going really deep into doctrine.
And one day she says, if you say you've seen Jesus, well, can I paint, can I paint a picture
of him for you?
And so once you describe it, and I will draw it out as you explained it to me.
And she got really, really, really, really close.
Jesus was not a super tall guy.
He was about five, 10, and five, 11, somewhere in that neighborhood with the deepest blue
eyes that you've ever seen.
He's a very self-spoken guy, but he was a carpenter.
He had cow's hands and I could see the male princess' hands and his wrists.
I didn't feel them.
I didn't want to feel them because I thought that he was still hurting from that.
He had the most amazing hair.
It was soft and it was white.
And I was really surprised that his hair was white because I know that people in the Middle
East are typically dark-haired.
And he said that he was a resurrected being and asked me if I knew what that was and I
told him I didn't.
And he said, basically, my body and my soul have been reunited.
And he says, that will happen to me at some point in time.
I said, but we'll talk more about that later when you're a little bit older.
You can understand these things a little bit easier, a little bit better.
And he asked me to remember those things.
So was there a time when you were a little older that you had another conversation with
him?
Was it through another NDE?
Yeah, it was.
I've had approximately nine conversations with the Savior over the course of my life.
The last one was about 15 years ago.
Is that as a result of one of the accidents that you were in?
Another accident that I had from another surgery that I'd had.
I've had 29 surgeries so far and I'm looking at possibly another one, hearing the very
near future.
I'm not sure what they're going to do just yet because they're still trying to figure
out what the problems are and where they're at.
I've got interviews with a surgeon here in about a week and a half, two weeks, something
like that.
So tell me some of the other things that you learned from him later in life.
I learned that evil people, that this country was going to be in a lot of trouble.
I was shown every president that we would have up into the second coming.
And so far, I've seen all but two.
I was told about a war that would come and I was asked to look.
I had to look away because it was just something you don't want to experience.
I asked if it would happen in my lifetime and he said, that depends on people.
He says, the first rule of heaven is agency.
People can make a decision and do whatever they want.
He says, my time is not measured like people's time on Earth is measured.
He said, one second to me is a lot longer than what people realize.
I said, just live your life to the best you can and look for these things and look for
these people.
When I saw the evil and I saw Satan, I was showing what he looks like.
He does not look like the monster that people look so.
He doesn't have warnings or hoops or anything like that.
He's a very good looking man, but he's a very cunning man and a very smart man.
And I was told never to challenge him nor to discount him.
And he said that personally to me and he held me really close because I was scared.
When I saw his face, I was scared because I could see the anger and rage in his eyes.
And I was told to remember that, but to never push him and never challenge him.
That's some of the things I was showing the war that's coming.
And this war that will come, whether it will be in my lifetime, I don't know, but I was
also warned that there were a lot of prophecies that had been filled before that war could
happen.
And so far, the things that I was warned about haven't happened yet.
So I think it's probably several years away, if not more, based on what I've seen.
Have you told these experiences to very many people before?
And if so, what was their reaction?
I have one really close friend.
His name is Adam.
I shared a few things with and his reaction was shock, disbelief.
He was scared, especially with some of the details that I shared with him.
I didn't share with him everything.
And when he read the book of Revelation, there was a chapter 17 made more sense to him after
what I shared with him.
I'm like, that's only one tiny piece of a much bigger picture.
It's one corner of it.
And I said, there's a lot more to that than you realize.
And he's pressed me on occasion, but over the years, I've just said, there's just some
things I'm just not comfortable or willing to share.
Because I'm not a prophet.
I am not a fortune teller or anything like that.
I've never claimed that.
I've never wanted to be called that.
And I hate recognition for anything.
I'm not very quiet, very introverted person in most cases.
And today I'm coming a little bit out of my shell because there's some things I just
felt that it was time to start sharing.
And as I prayed before this interview, I asked my father what I could share and what I couldn't.
And he said, I will put the thoughts in your mind before your mouth opens.
That's what those things are.
And that's already happened so far.
Tell me some of the other things you feel like sharing today.
We are being lied to.
I was told that the father of lies would deceive a lot of people in the final moments and whatever
that timeframe looks like is up to debate.
And in the final moments, he said, say, we would deceive the hearts of many and many would
believe the lies.
He said, there would be people that have already talked about it.
He mentioned Jay Rubin Clark.
He said, my servant Jay Rubin.
He didn't mention a class named Jay Rubin.
Would warn us about the media.
And I was told, and I was only, I think, 12 years old when I heard the name Jay Rubin.
I didn't know who he was.
I didn't know what he meant.
I was shown a picture of him.
I said, when you see this man, listen to his words, because I sent him to warn the people
and they won't listen.
And that was one thing the Savior is warning me each time I met him and I've talked with
him.
I said, the people won't listen.
They will draw near to me with their mouths, but the hearts are far from me.
They will not listen because they want someone else to tell them, but they don't want me
to tell them because they don't believe in me enough to listen to me.
And he was crying when he said that.
He said, if they would all listen, they wouldn't suffer.
How do they listen?
Just through reading scriptures, through prayer, how do they listen?
Those that want to, right now?
Through prayer and never doubting him.
My grandfather was inspired when I said that to him as a kid.
He says, if you never doubt the Lord, he will deliver you.
And then I pressed my grandfather a little further on that.
And I'm like, what do you mean by, you know, listening to the Lord and never doubting?
He says, open your heart and ask him a direct question and he will answer it.
But if you make assumptions or say what you want, not what he wants, he won't answer.
So I always close my prayers, which I will, Lord, and that might be done because he's
my father and he's the son of God.
And if he gets his answers from heavenly father and instructions from heavenly father and
I get them to him, I can't doubt.
And one time I asked him, why don't you talk to people like you're talking to me?
He said, because they won't talk to me.
He says, they don't believe.
He says, I will only answer questions to those who will listen to me.
I will only come to people who will listen to me.
I'm like, well, what if I make some mistakes and I quit listening to you?
Because this was always a constant fear.
And even to this minute, as a constant fear.
And he said, get on your knees and repent.
He says, remember the atonement.
Never forget the atonement.
It is so important for you to remember this throughout your whole life.
Remember the atonement.
And one time I really screwed up pretty bad.
I was about 37, 38 years old and I was going through a hard time in my marriage.
I've been divorced for 20 years now that I just gave up for the first time in my life
with everything I just quit.
And I did some really stupid stuff.
And one time I was praying and I heard the words out loud.
I didn't see him, but I heard the words out loud.
You won't listen.
You quit listening to him.
I'm like, can I be forgiven?
He says, when you're ready.
It was a very audible voice, like your voice and my voice.
It was very audible.
When I was ready, he would talk to me again.
How long did it take you to get ready?
About six or eight months.
I had a lot of issues to work through.
A bishop in my church said to me, because I was having a lot of problems.
I asked him, you know, what am I doing wrong?
And he said, one phrase is to forgive yourself.
And I thought of all the things he could say to me.
Forgive myself.
How do you forgive yourself?
How do you do that?
And I was praying and asking the Savior and he said, I will speak to you when you forgive
yourself.
So how do you do that?
Because what I did was pretty bad.
I made a suicide attempt after my divorce.
I was in a very dark place at that time.
I forgot how to pray for a while and I thought there's no way God could love me again.
The Heavenly Father, Jesus Christ, could never love me again after that.
Because of what I did.
And what was so amazing is that when you find a path to forgive yourself, the heavens open
back up again.
They're not closed for anybody.
Nobody, they're not closed.
You just got to know that he will and believe that he will talk to you.
And one time when I was about 17 years old, I rolled a car and it was pretty bad in it.
And the other thing I said, he said to me, because I was only gone for just a flash,
it seemed like, he just told me to never, ever doubt.
Never doubt.
Speaking of doubt, most people listening to this podcast listen because they either believe
or want to believe in an afterlife.
We have people of all different faiths listening.
Some believe in Jesus.
Some do not.
Some are going to just flat out have a hard time believing you.
Okay?
And that's okay.
I don't care.
And what do you have to say to them?
What I have to say to them is that you have to come to turn us yourself.
What you feel is what you feel.
I know what I know and I've never turned my back on it.
I never walked away from it.
Your agency is in your hands.
And there's something in the Scriptures that talks about, I think it's in Matthew, it talks
about the books of life.
And what I have to say to those people who doubt is, when your book of life is opened,
your entries based on what you do here are in there.
And one day the Savior will read them to you.
And I can go into very detail, very deep details as to what that day will look like.
Be careful what you say and be careful who you offend and who you hurt, because angels
in heaven are writing everything down.
Your journal isn't here on earth, it's in heaven.
Be very careful what you do.
I hope they're writing positive things too.
We do good things now and then.
I hope so too.
One thing I learned is that the Savior's love is infinite and He's ready to help us and
teach us.
He wants to talk to us.
He's made that very clear to me many, many times.
He wants to talk to us.
I've got a little emotional here.
He really, really, really wants to talk to us.
He wants us to come back to Him and He wants us to live with Him forever.
And we all take different paths and whatever paths you're on, don't give up.
I mean, I've done that.
You don't want to go there.
And I made a mistake when I was about 15 years old challenging Satan.
Actually, I was 21 when I was 21, but challenging Satan.
You don't want to do that.
You will pay a price like you can't imagine.
And if you think He cares or He'll be nice to you, you're wrong.
You're very wrong.
That book of life is there for a reason.
And it's your experiences and it's individually written just for you and no one else.
And when you stand in front of the Savior, there won't be anybody there present other
than those that you've offended.
And their testimony will be entered.
It's already in the book, but it will be entered.
And there's a way that that's done and people wake up because time is running out.
Wake up, please wake up.
I like to believe that also the positive things are going to be there too.
The people that we have served, the good that we have done and those kinds of things.
And as I've talked to other people about their life reviews, one of the things that I hear
and you tell me how this jives with your experiences is that they're shown the things that they
did, the choices that they made and exactly how those affected other people for good and
for bad.
Have you experienced that too?
Yes, I have.
And one of my experiences I was taken into a room, there was a screen in the front of
the room.
It was huge.
It was bigger.
It was like a movie screen in front of me.
I was asked if I would believe what I was going to be shown.
And I said, you know, I have no reason to doubt.
And I was shown the good things that people do and services important, so important.
And I was reminded of the future of course, as what the Savior says, when you're done
it under these beliefs in my presence, you're done it under me.
There's a lot of joy in that.
There is a lot of joy in that.
There is so many great things that the Savior will use.
This is when you repent and you do these things, these bad things are forgotten.
It says they're cast into see a forgetfulness and remember no more.
And I believe that based on what I've seen in that room, that I was taken into another
room.
I was asked, you know, what talent would you want?
If I could give you any talent, what would you want?
And I asked to know where it would be when the slate was over.
What was the answer?
And the answer was very, very clear that that depended on what I did.
And then I was counseled to continue to do service.
He said, the first law of heaven is agency.
This is never forget that.
So earlier I asked you about your most significant NDEs.
You said there were two and you talked about the ones when you were six years old.
Was that both of them or was there another one?
Let's talk about the other one.
When was that?
A family named Bill Bradford had passed away.
I was very sick.
He was on a staff bed.
When I went to visit him in the hospital and there's a few people that know the story very
well, they were present.
There's about 15 people that were there when this happened.
Bill Bradford couldn't talk to him, his lyrics were removed.
And he asked me if I would die for him.
And I thought he was kidding because how do you die for somebody?
And then he wrote on a piece of paper, he says, I need a heart and lungs.
Would you give me yours?
That shocked a little heck out of me.
And I didn't know how to answer that.
And I thought he was joking around and he's being superficial because he was dying.
And I thought, yeah, I'll die for you.
And just casually thought, I'll die for you.
And then he said, I'm serious.
He wrote that on a piece of paper, I'm serious.
So a few days went by after that.
I was talking with my other friend who was in the room.
And I said, is he serious?
So I talked to a member of my church, one of my bishops and a person above him.
And I asked him, so is there anything against me doing this?
And I told him about Bill.
And so there's no doctrine in church as far as I were aware of against it.
So then the burden was put back on me.
So I talked to my mother, got her opinion.
My mother and I were very, very close.
I just said, well, why has the Savior said about that?
And I had to go deep into the scriptures.
And he said, no, we're going to love half a man.
Then he died for his brother.
And then I asked my mom, who was my brother, he said, Bill.
That was her simple answer, Bill.
So out of curiosity, I went and had to test down to see if I was a match flooring.
And other than a direct family member, I was a perfect match for him.
And it really hit home because now the rubber is hitting the road really hard.
So I talked to the hospital staff to find out what that was all about.
And the hospital administrator answers, you have to send a waiver that your family will
not hold the hospital liable because you will die in a surgery.
That was an awful lot for a 27-year-old guy to go through after the ill.
So I signed all the papers, talked to the lawyers, got everything done.
So I was sitting in the hospital and Bill was right next to me in the room.
And they hooked me up and they put the drugs into me.
And while I was waiting, my heart quit beating.
And I thought, this is it.
I'm going home.
And the love that was shown for me when I got to the top of the staircase and the tears
were flowing like water.
The Savior says, you have proven your love for me and now I'm going to do this for you.
And what he did for me is something I've never showed any human being and I don't think I
can.
I was shown that whatever I did after that point, as long as I remain faithful, that
there was a place for me.
And I was shown what that place was to describe the beauty of it and the magnitude of it and
the people that were going to be with me there is beyond all words.
And I was told that it was time to go back because I was willing to die for my friend,
that the atonement was in full effect for me.
And then I needed to return and share those messages.
And I was put back in my body and I was suffering over my body for about, I was seen like four
or five minutes.
And then my angel said to me, it's time for you to leave, but we're not finished yet.
But remember these things and keep them sacred.
And I have.
What happened was that Bill Bradford's brother had died the same minute that the injection
was given to me.
His brother, twin brother had passed away and his twin brother wanted his organs given to
him.
Now, Bill Bradford was the guy who trained a lot of CIA agents, FBI agents and police
officers.
This guy had done more service for this country than any person I've ever met in my life.
This guy in my mind was more important than I was in this world because of the lives he
had saved and the people he had helped.
This guy's level of service was second to none.
And that's why when I considered all those things, I went to do this.
I agreed to that, to how to happen.
And the saver said, my sacrifice was no gears and heads and that I would be rewarded for
time.
That was the most powerful and he got that and I was 27 years old.
Sorry, I'm a little speechless after that.
I can't really control my emotions on that one.
Yeah.
But because Bill, Bill was a special guy.
But when I was told the atomic was in full effect for me.
I didn't know what that meant.
I didn't know how to handle that.
And I tried and the saver was sweeping with me when he was holding me.
And his last thing he said before I left is that I love you and my love will never die
for you.
I will be with you forever.
And I believe him.
I have no doubt.
So for those who doubt that the saver is real, you don't know how deep his love is for you
and how great his joy is when we do the right thing.
When we help people, when we get out here and share his messages and read his scriptures.
He really takes great pride and love for us and joy in us when we listen to the scriptures,
when we do those things.
You know, when it's saying hi to a stranger or picking up the mail for somebody or picking
somebody at plate of cookies.
Those blessings and that joy that the saver has for you are very important to him and
he never forgets those are for your benefit.
And I encourage people to keep doing those things and to find opportunities.
Eric, every day of my life, I find somebody to help or at least I try to every day of
my life.
I'm retired now for health reasons.
And because like I said, every day of my life, now that I'm retired, I try to help
someone somehow and I never get upset with people, but people do irritate me and I know
different than anyone else listening or reading.
There are people out here that just really burn my shorts, but I have to remember that
they're on their own path.
And I remind myself of that, that they're on their own path.
They have to do whatever they feel is right for them.
And it being mean to me or anyone else is what makes them happy.
Who am I to tell them no?
I just know that doesn't work for me and it won't.
It never has and never will.
I strive every day to try to do the right thing and I repent every night sometimes for hours
because some days I just have really bad days and welcome to being human.
Yeah, exactly.
We all do.
None of us are perfect.
I want to ask about something you brought up earlier, which is your guardian angel.
This is something I believe in, but I know very little about.
Give me an idea of what, what you know about your guardian angel and is it one?
Is it multiple?
There are many, but one in particular, it's a lady.
She has really dark hair.
She's not very tall and she is not as far as I've not never been born.
She's waiting for the resurrection.
It's a different topic.
Some people believe it and some people don't.
She is very, very close to me and when I first met her, she said that she had been assigned
to me to help me and to guide me, but mostly she's been assigned to learn me about things
when there's danger present.
She has the most beautiful smile of that woman I've ever seen in my life.
Voice is very soft, but her messages are very direct.
I have never been able to physically touch her.
When I've even asked her if she would give me a hug because some of the things that she's
messages she's given me have been very, very emotional in nature and she says, I can't
do that.
It's not time, but just remember what I'm sharing.
You know, she'll tell me to look and she shows me something that's going to happen.
Since this is going to affect you and you need to be prepared for that.
And she always says that when she leaves, remember these things and never forget.
And then she goes away and the messages are usually 20, 30 seconds in length, but usually
she shows me a picture of what it is that I need to be prepared for.
She'll always say look and I look and then I see what it is.
She warned me about my car accident that I had, that I would be injured, but I would
walk away and she says, you will wake up laughing.
I was 18 years old the day I got in the car.
I recognized the car and I thought, holy heck, is there any way out of this that I wanted
to race that day?
I wanted to race that day so that I couldn't stand it.
And it's just like an energy.
I get a positive energy.
I love old cars, by the way.
I love antique cars.
And it was a 69 inch of all that I was driving that day.
And I got on the track and the feature of the race before somebody blown the engine
and they jumped a whole bunch of oil on the track.
As I got in the car, I saw the oil puddle, but there was a car beside me and there was
no way I was going to avoid that with the track.
And I remember what she said and so I just let go of this steering wheel and held on
tight.
As the car was rolling, she was sitting in, I told you, she was in the car, I told you.
And I thanked her.
And it was just a second or two or three, just a few seconds.
And when the safety supra got to me, I was upside down, hanging in my seatbelt and laughing
hysterically.
And I had blood coming out of my eye.
I have a cut under my right eye from that.
And I was just laughing hysterically.
And the safety supra thought, your teacher had her something.
And I got out of the car and I was just laughing.
And I'm like, what are you laughing about?
You just destroyed this car.
And I'm like, I'm walking away.
I just got in.
I got in the back of my nose to check me out.
And other than a few bruises, my minor cut under my eye was okay.
And I'm in universal words.
And that's when I began to fully trust in anything that she would say to me.
But she's been with me since I was six years old.
And like I said earlier in this interview, I saw her about two weeks ago, two, three
weeks ago.
And she warned me about some things that were going to happen and how it would affect me.
And since that time, about a handful of those 15 or 20 things have happened, we were walking
into a very dangerous period of our nation's history.
And she warned me about that too.
She warned me about my surgery, so it will test me.
I'm like, how many won't test me?
I've had 202 broken bones, 29 surgeries.
How much more do I need to go through?
Unbelievable.
You've been through plenty, believe me.
A lot of people that have had near-death experiences come back with some kind of spiritual
gift where it seems like the veil is much more thin for them than for the rest of us.
For example, most of us haven't seen our guardian angel.
It's really cool that you have.
I don't know.
Any advice for the rest of us?
How do we get in touch?
That's different for every person.
I don't really know the right answer to that.
I know for me that personally, I look forward to those visits and sometimes I ask for them
because there are things that are happening in my life from time to time that I just don't
understand.
Then I was talking to a friend of mine.
I think you might know of him.
Ezra Teffbentzen was a good friend of mine, a very close friend of mine.
I asked him one time about that.
Why do these things happen to me and no one else?
He said, you ask the right questions.
That was a simple answer.
You ask the right questions.
For people, I think when you pray to a number one, is have absolute faith.
Number two, ask the right questions.
Number three, act when you receive those promptings.
Don't put it off.
Don't wait till tomorrow or a week from now.
When you receive those promptings, whatever they are, act on them immediately.
If you do that enough times, they will become part of your life.
At least it has for me.
A lot of wisdom flowing here today.
We're about out of time.
I just want to thank you for all of this and for being willing to share.
I know it is taking you way, way out of your comfort zone.
Are there any last thoughts that you'd like to leave with the listeners?
There's a lot of things I would like to say.
Let's try to narrow it down.
I think the most important thing is to be willing to listen.
Humble yourself to the point where you can listen and start reading your scriptures and
open your mind to other possibilities.
What we're being told by the world is wrong.
I'd say about 98% of everything you're hearing out there is wrong.
Ignore the chatter and listen and never doubt and believe with everything that's in you.
Have a hold of it with all the energy you have in your heart and never doubt.
Those miracles will happen.
The Lord has promised us that he will do those things worse.
And I don't doubt him.
Not for a second.
You've had a really rough life.
How much fear do you have of death?
Zero.
I look forward to it.
I want to go home.
All my family, I'm the last surviving member of my family.
All my aunts and uncles and most of my cousins have all passed away.
My mother and my father are both gone.
My father, I'm glad he's gone, but my mother hurt me.
It took a lot out of him.
I was relieved that her suffering was over.
She died from Alzheimer's.
I was relieved her suffering was over.
But there's still many times I need her at council.
My grandfather's waiting for me.
And I know he's one of my guardian angels because one of the things he said just before
he died, he says, when I die, I won't leave you.
And if anybody hurts you, they'll have to deal with me.
And my grandfather was a tall man and he was a guy that he met business.
I look forward to going home and being with those people again.
I don't fear any human being.
I've met some really, really bad people, dangerous people.
They don't scare me because one day just like me, they'll have to stand in front of the
savior.
And I don't fear any pain I have to go through and die.
We'll be short-lived because the love of Jesus Christ will make up for that when I'm home.
And it will be a very special day.
And I look forward to that.
So as far as death, I don't fear.
It's a beautiful place.
It's such a beautiful place.
You would do anything.
If you knew what it looked like, you would do anything in a world to get there.
You would make any sacrifice.
Absolutely, any sacrifice to get there.
Shabby, thanks again.
I have a feeling we'll be talking again soon.
I hope so because I've enjoyed this.
This has been difficult and my emotions have been all over the planet.
I'm glad that you reached out to me.
I hope there's a much time where we can share some more information.
I've just scanned over the surface of so many things.
Well done.
We'll take a deeper dive.
Thanks again for listening and sharing this podcast.
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