1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:08,400 From the time that they pronounced me deaf was a good 45 minutes. 2 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:13,440 They cut my clothes and then they paddled my heart, my heart had stopped. 3 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:18,120 And I could see people screaming and crying, but I didn't realize that was actually my 4 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:21,320 physical body because I was somewhere else. 5 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:27,400 The only thing that I could feel, if you could imagine, absolute love and peace, there wasn't 6 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:29,400 anything else to be felt. 7 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:32,520 I was greeted by people I'd known in the past. 8 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:34,160 I'm back home again. 9 00:00:34,160 --> 00:00:36,640 Incredibly safe and felt at home. 10 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:41,200 Welcome, welcome to Round Trip Death, everybody. 11 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:44,000 And I'd like to welcome our very special guest today, Harry. 12 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:45,440 How are you, Harry? 13 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:46,640 I'm doing fine. 14 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:47,400 Good. 15 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:48,680 We're here with Harry. 16 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:52,640 We're just using his first name to give him a bit of anonymity. 17 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:59,200 He's only shared his story with a couple of people and there's reasons why he needs 18 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:00,800 to be a little bit anonymous. 19 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:03,960 But Harry, thanks so much for being on with us today. 20 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:08,520 Would you mind just giving our listeners an idea of who you are? 21 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:11,880 Tell us a little bit about you before we get into your experience. 22 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:12,880 Okay. 23 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:15,120 My whole life in a nutshell. 24 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:16,240 I was born in Germany. 25 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:22,760 I grew up in New York and I moved down here to Washington to take on a job as a government 26 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:24,640 cartographer. 27 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:26,400 And I've been around the country a bit. 28 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:29,200 I've lived in St. Louis and Rhode Island. 29 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:32,920 I consider myself just an ordinary person. 30 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:38,360 There's nothing really special about me and just, you know, one of those government bureaucrats. 31 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:45,000 And I've been delving into like dreams and things like that. 32 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:52,720 Ever since I was a kid, I had a lot of dreams, like movie length dreams, nightmares, lucid 33 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:59,160 dreams, about a year and a half ago in October 2022. 34 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:00,600 I came down with COVID. 35 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:02,240 My wife did too. 36 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:06,640 And she was sick pretty bad for about a week. 37 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:14,200 Having health problems myself, something weird happened on the, about the seventh night that 38 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:17,760 I had tested positive for COVID. 39 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:22,800 And I had checked with my doctor and he thought it was a medical emergency. 40 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:25,800 I should have run to the emergency room. 41 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:29,640 My blood pressure apparently cratered during the night. 42 00:02:29,640 --> 00:02:34,280 And I'm still trying to figure out what exactly happened to me. 43 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:36,400 What happened to my mind? 44 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:38,520 This was not a dream. 45 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:45,920 This was something that was totally, I would say, in another reality. 46 00:02:45,920 --> 00:02:49,360 Let me just, let me just interject here. 47 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:56,080 That what we refer to as near death experiences, I used to think, oh, your heart had to stop 48 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:59,040 and you had to actually be dead. 49 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:00,960 And visit the other side and come back. 50 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:04,280 I have since learned from the IONS group. 51 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:07,440 The definition is a little looser than that. 52 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:09,240 People can be in comas. 53 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:13,840 People can be very sick or in some kind of trauma. 54 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:17,960 And for some reason, having out of body spiritual experience. 55 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:23,080 And there's different terms for all of these various gray area kind of things. 56 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:26,240 But I'm not concerned with that today. 57 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:28,200 We just want to hear about your experience. 58 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:30,480 So by the way, how sick were you? 59 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:31,480 Were you in the hospital? 60 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:33,000 Were you at home still? 61 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:34,840 I was home. 62 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:38,200 The first day or two, I had very mild cold symptoms. 63 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:41,480 I was pretty much asymptomatic the whole week. 64 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:47,560 I've had episodes of low blood pressure before where I'm literally at the point of passing 65 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:48,560 out. 66 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:51,080 As a matter of fact, I have passed out. 67 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:53,840 But this happened during the night. 68 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:56,520 I was fine otherwise. 69 00:03:56,520 --> 00:04:02,640 And when I woke up in the morning, I woke up and I was nauseous. 70 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:09,120 I went upstairs to get breakfast and I was like in a daze and I couldn't believe what 71 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:10,120 had happened. 72 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:13,920 I just sort of, my head was spinning from it. 73 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:15,240 And I was ready to pass out again. 74 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:21,080 My wife took my blood pressure and it was like 60 over 40 something. 75 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:25,120 So we called my doctor and he said, well, go to the emergency room. 76 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:26,120 We didn't do that. 77 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:31,760 And I just had some salt water and the blood pressure went back up during the day. 78 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:39,520 I related this to, I believe it was Dr. Moody at University of Virginia. 79 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:41,440 And I wanted to find out what had happened. 80 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:46,520 And he actually, I managed to get his email and I wrote to him and he wrote back and he 81 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:52,280 said, yeah, I did seem to have a lot of elements of a near death experience. 82 00:04:52,280 --> 00:05:00,720 So I'm still wondering, was this a near death or it leads me to come up with a lot of theories 83 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:06,640 for myself about what does near death actually consists of. 84 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:15,000 Because I feel the near death is more of a hallucinogenic reaction to the body dying. 85 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:18,720 But what happened to me, everything was very abstract. 86 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:22,120 It involved memories. 87 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:29,760 And I went on a journey, not to the tunnel and the pearly gates, but something very similar. 88 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:39,440 I believe I went beyond that experience where it was just completely unexplainable what I 89 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:41,760 was experiencing. 90 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:43,840 I don't even have words for it. 91 00:05:43,840 --> 00:05:45,920 Well, let's do this. 92 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:47,240 Let me make sure I understand. 93 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:51,760 So this was sometime during the night, you mentioned that your blood pressure cratered. 94 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:52,760 Yeah. 95 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:54,240 So you probably didn't take it at that time. 96 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:56,120 It was later in the morning that you did. 97 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:57,240 Exactly, yeah. 98 00:05:57,240 --> 00:06:01,520 So this happened during the night you may have been in and out of consciousness. 99 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:05,640 Anyway, you say you went beyond. 100 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:06,640 Could you explain that? 101 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:09,040 I know you said you don't have words. 102 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:12,560 I'm going to push you to try to put it into words. 103 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:13,800 Start from the beginning. 104 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:15,520 I can relate before I start. 105 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:19,840 I can relate to the story called Flatland. 106 00:06:19,840 --> 00:06:23,240 I don't know if you've ever heard of it or read it. 107 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:27,440 It's a novel by Edwin Abbott. 108 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:29,520 He's got two last names. 109 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:32,360 I remember a movie called Flatliners. 110 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:35,000 Is that the same thing? 111 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:36,000 No. 112 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:38,600 This brought back a memory when I was younger. 113 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:39,600 I read this book. 114 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:40,600 It's called Flatland. 115 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:46,680 It's supposedly written by a two-dimensional square. 116 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:49,000 He doesn't identify his name. 117 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:56,760 And he lives in what's essentially a flat existence, like a piece of paper. 118 00:06:56,760 --> 00:07:02,840 And he goes on to describe his whole universe, his whole everything that's flat. 119 00:07:02,840 --> 00:07:09,400 And he has a meeting with a sphere from the third dimension. 120 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:16,240 And that sphere tries to explain to the Flatlander what the third dimension is. 121 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:17,720 And he tries everything. 122 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:26,320 He tries passing through the second dimension to show that he can appear and disappear by 123 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:28,760 traveling through the second dimension. 124 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:35,440 But the second dimension square cannot understand what this third dimension is. 125 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:37,920 There's no words for it. 126 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:40,600 There's no explanation for it. 127 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:43,800 And I think that's what happened with me. 128 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:51,800 So what happened was I tend to have very vivid dreams all my life, full movie-length 129 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:56,440 dreams, all senses active, I can feel, touch, smell. 130 00:07:56,440 --> 00:08:01,960 I dreamt I was back in one of my apartments when I was little younger. 131 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:04,360 I guess I was sick in that dream as well. 132 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:10,000 I was in a bed and there was a girl who was making a meal for me. 133 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:13,320 And she brought the meal out and sat on the bed with me. 134 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:15,040 She started telling me a story. 135 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:17,280 I don't remember the story. 136 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:18,600 She touched my hand. 137 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:26,320 And I get kind of emotional when I start explaining this. 138 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:32,920 She said, I have to go now, but I'll be back for you someday. 139 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:36,360 And if she got up and left, I was very disappointed. 140 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:40,720 I was in a panic almost like, why she just got up and left? 141 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:50,000 So I stood up out of the bed and all of a sudden, this was no longer a dream now. 142 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:53,320 My mind was wide awake. 143 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:54,880 I stood up. 144 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:56,200 It was no longer a dream. 145 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:57,880 To me, it was a reality. 146 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:05,160 And I found myself, I was standing in a ferry boat, an interior lower level. 147 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:08,320 It was packed with people. 148 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:15,280 And later on, in retrospect, I realized all these people were actually souls, dead souls, 149 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:16,600 very quiet. 150 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:23,120 And the memory of the boat comes from earlier times in my life when I grew up near the ocean 151 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:26,320 and I used to take the ferry a lot. 152 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:30,040 We were heading toward a port and it was at night. 153 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:36,440 And I could see in the port, there were all these flashing emergency vehicle lights in 154 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:37,440 the port. 155 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:41,360 And they were waiting for the ferry boat and I thought that was kind of odd, like what's 156 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:42,360 going on. 157 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:45,680 And I knew I wasn't asleep and it wasn't a lucid dream. 158 00:09:45,680 --> 00:09:48,400 This was different from a lucid dream. 159 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:54,000 So I remembered I was going to look for the girl that had walked out. 160 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:56,880 So I looked around and I saw her. 161 00:09:56,880 --> 00:09:59,120 She was standing at the back. 162 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:01,040 I pushed through the crowd. 163 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:05,640 Everybody was very quiet and silent, a lot of sadness in there. 164 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:11,400 And as I approached her, I noticed she had an accompaniment of three men, sort of like 165 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:17,040 a biblical, relates to the biblical trinity. 166 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:21,080 And they were watching me as I approached her and they were sort of like bodyguards 167 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:23,080 or something of this sort. 168 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:28,640 And I went up to her and she was cocked against this post, her eyes closed. 169 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:31,160 She opened her eyes and looked shocked. 170 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:34,560 She said, how did you find me? 171 00:10:34,560 --> 00:10:39,080 So I don't recall the exact conversation. 172 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:44,480 I think I complained about why did she break off the story she was telling me. 173 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:49,000 She moved out of the view of the three men, moved around the post a little bit. 174 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:54,640 And she looked at me and she said, you shouldn't be here. 175 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:58,600 I get emotional when I recall this. 176 00:10:58,600 --> 00:10:59,720 It's okay. 177 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:02,160 Take your time. 178 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:08,840 I realized she was, she wasn't just a person. 179 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:12,240 She was an angelic being. 180 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:21,360 And she came into my dream and she said, it's not your time. 181 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:23,880 I'll be back for you someday. 182 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:26,920 And I thought that that was very, very touching. 183 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:32,120 And she touched my arm and she projected this glow of love. 184 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:39,840 Now you hear about people who have these near death experiences, what they talk about this 185 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:42,040 cosmic love. 186 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:45,040 This is where it's impossible to describe. 187 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:52,440 It's just this feeling of like being bathed in like a force. 188 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:59,400 I reached out to embrace her because I knew that she didn't want me to be there. 189 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:05,040 We embraced and she looked up at me and I got a laugh out of this from a religious friend 190 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:06,040 of mine. 191 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:10,440 I kissed her very lovingly and she looked shocked. 192 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:16,680 All of a sudden something was unleashed in this angel. 193 00:12:16,680 --> 00:12:19,080 Everything around us disappeared, turned white. 194 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:26,600 It was a glowing fog and all of a sudden, like I noticed her face, she got pale looking. 195 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:30,000 She started, it looked like it was raining in her face. 196 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:32,640 Her face was dripping wet. 197 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:41,720 She held onto me tight and all of a sudden like an explosion of this feeling of love 198 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:47,520 came pouring out of her chest into mine. 199 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:50,600 And it was overwhelming. 200 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:53,480 There's no words that can describe this feeling. 201 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:57,080 It was love, peace. 202 00:12:57,080 --> 00:13:03,440 And I grew up religious as a kid and I believe we have a soul. 203 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:07,320 We don't really know what a soul is, but I believe we do have a soul. 204 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:09,880 It felt like our souls merged. 205 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:12,600 I was one with the angel. 206 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:18,160 Everything about my existence had just completely washed away. 207 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:22,920 I went beyond this whatever hallucinogenic state. 208 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:31,600 All that was left was just light, love, peace and bliss like you can't believe. 209 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:36,400 I had never even imagined such a thing was like possible. 210 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:39,200 It was just unexplainable. 211 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:41,320 There's no words for it. 212 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:47,480 And I think if what transpired next hadn't happened, I might have not come back. 213 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:51,280 I might have had cardiac arrest in my sleep. 214 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:57,160 The ferry boat that we were on suddenly reached port and it was a surge. 215 00:13:57,160 --> 00:14:05,160 The crowd on the boat surged toward the entrance or the exit of the boat and I was caught up 216 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:07,040 in the surge. 217 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:13,160 I was separated from my angel friend and I felt our soul connection. 218 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:18,320 I still felt connected with stretching and it snapped. 219 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:25,960 It felt like a big rubber band had snapped and it felt like a piece of her soul was actually 220 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:27,680 snapped off inside me. 221 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:34,080 I was swept up in this crowd heading toward the exit of the boat and there was a man standing 222 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:36,080 there on the landing. 223 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:39,360 He was the portmaster. 224 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:42,960 He was wearing a hat and had a uniform. 225 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:50,160 He held up his hands and he said to everybody, he said, you should not be here. 226 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:55,880 Go back if you can. 227 00:14:55,880 --> 00:15:03,760 There was another, I take it to be an angelic being at the front of this crowd. 228 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:06,560 She had silver hair. 229 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:12,360 She had like a silvery white silvery gown, beautiful woman. 230 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:20,040 She held up some kind of pass to the portmaster and he opened up this big huge gate. 231 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:26,680 It was not the pearly gates, it was some big rusty green gates weathered from being on 232 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:30,480 the shore and everybody passed through the gate. 233 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:31,480 I didn't. 234 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:38,120 I went off to the side, I was still looking for my angel friend as I wanted to be with 235 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:42,200 her and I walked into this field. 236 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:43,520 It was daytime now. 237 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:53,600 It was the most beautiful field I had ever seen, all flowers, colors beyond the imagination, 238 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:55,760 beyond what you see in the rainbow. 239 00:15:55,760 --> 00:16:01,560 I looked up in the sky and the sky was pure white. 240 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:05,760 There was no sun, but it was a blinding light. 241 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:11,600 I stood there alone in this field and I sensed I was being judged by the sky. 242 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:15,520 I had the impression the sky had a million voices. 243 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:23,480 I couldn't hear them, but I knew there was this life in the sky and I thought, is this 244 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:25,880 the edge of the afterlife? 245 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:31,560 I got in a panic and I thought, am I looking into the face of God? 246 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:37,360 It does just pure white light with love and peace and bliss. 247 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:43,120 I ran out of the field and there was actually a building at the edge of the field. 248 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:45,120 This goes back into the dream state. 249 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:50,880 I ran into the building and there were three stylists and three clients. 250 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:55,640 It goes back to this biblical Trinity thing. 251 00:16:55,640 --> 00:17:00,000 I looked at each one in the face and they all looked kind of like my angel, but none 252 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:01,280 were. 253 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:08,800 Then I woke up and that's where I went upstairs and I was like, something had hit me and it 254 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:12,160 had just like, what just happened? 255 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:13,880 I had a lot of things in retrospect. 256 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:18,000 We could go into that, but I'll leave it to you right now. 257 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:20,680 That's pretty much my experience. 258 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:22,720 That's really beautiful. 259 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:24,840 Could you clarify something for me? 260 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:30,680 You were talking about this time a year and a half ago with COVID, but you also referred 261 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:37,520 to a time a few years ago, I don't know when it was, when you saw this same angel. 262 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:40,680 Were we talking about two different experiences here? 263 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:49,640 I did have an experience a month later where she actually returned in a dream. 264 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:50,640 Hold that thought. 265 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:53,600 Let's come back to that. 266 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:58,200 This was the first experience then, the first time that you met her. 267 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:00,080 I just wanted to make sure I was clear. 268 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:05,760 I have a few questions up to this point and then let's talk about what happens after. 269 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:10,800 You said you looked up in the sky and you felt judged, but you also felt all this love 270 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:12,080 and bliss. 271 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:16,960 Was the judgment a negative thing or was it a positive thing and how so? 272 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:18,400 It felt neutral. 273 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:28,240 It felt like a very objective judgment of, I suppose, my life, just my entire being. 274 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:37,600 But there was no voice, no feedback or anything, but I had a distinct feeling that this sky 275 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:40,080 was judging me. 276 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:45,960 Again, it's hard to explain that feeling, but that's the feeling I had. 277 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:48,760 Let's move on to the angel. 278 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:51,480 Do you have any idea who she was? 279 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:58,200 In other words, do you feel like maybe she had some relationship to you or she was assigned 280 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:00,000 to you? 281 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:01,960 Give me your thoughts. 282 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:04,080 I had talked to a friend at West. 283 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:06,360 He was one of the few people I related this to. 284 00:19:06,360 --> 00:19:08,520 He's very religious. 285 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:20,520 He thought, yes, we all have spirit guides assigned to each of us, and she was the one 286 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:22,560 assigned to me. 287 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:25,880 I had never met her before in a dream. 288 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:29,480 I had never even thought about her. 289 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:34,200 Even my thoughts of death were kind of mixed. 290 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:40,520 I had mixed beliefs as to whether you die, you pull the plug, and that's it. 291 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:42,160 You never even existed. 292 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:49,920 I also had beliefs that maybe your afterlife experiences, your dream world, your dream 293 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:56,440 world is a window to your afterlife that when you die, you live with all your senses 294 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:59,360 being cut off as your body is dying. 295 00:19:59,360 --> 00:20:04,160 You go to live in your dream world and time becomes irrelevant, and that's your heaven. 296 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:05,840 That's your eternity. 297 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:06,840 I had mixed views. 298 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:10,600 I did not have a religious view of the afterlife. 299 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:13,040 There was no Jesus there. 300 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:24,840 The angel that came to me, although she was more beautiful than any person I'd ever met, 301 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:26,640 she was rather plain. 302 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:29,000 She had dark hair. 303 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:31,240 She wore a pantsuit. 304 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:32,840 She had no wings. 305 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:38,080 My religious friend thought that he related that to the movie. 306 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:41,000 It's a wonderful life where she came. 307 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:47,960 I guess in my state with the COVID and the blood pressure drop, she probably saved me 308 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:51,800 from passing on. 309 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:56,120 That pretty much sums up my first experience. 310 00:20:56,120 --> 00:20:59,080 Why do you think she saved you from passing on? 311 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:04,440 You said it wasn't your time, but do you just have any feeling more than that? 312 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:08,280 I feel like my current life is not yet complete. 313 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:12,040 If I can put in another 10 years, I'll be happy. 314 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:18,040 I have an avocation, besides being a government bureaucrat for my whole life. 315 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:25,120 My hobby, as I mentioned to you before, is a butterfly study. 316 00:21:25,120 --> 00:21:30,680 I'm currently working on a number of studies that I initiated myself with a group of other 317 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:33,200 entomologists. 318 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:36,480 I need more time to finish these studies. 319 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:40,440 One of my concerns, and I always relate to these people, I've got a number of severe 320 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:41,440 health issues. 321 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:47,600 I've got, I've had, I'm in remission, three different cancers. 322 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:51,000 Failing kidneys, I'm in a final stages of kidney failure. 323 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:52,720 I've got diabetes real bad. 324 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:56,360 I've got a number of other health issues. 325 00:21:56,360 --> 00:22:03,200 If I can hang on another 10 years to finish my, my avocational research, I'd be more than 326 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:04,200 happy. 327 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:07,600 Hey, just a quick interruption. 328 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:11,200 This month we're asking for your support for the show. 329 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:16,680 It's definitely a labor of love for Will and I, but it takes a ton of time and money, 330 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:19,240 and we need donations to keep things going. 331 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:23,320 For those that donated last week, we thank you from the bottom of our hearts. 332 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:25,280 For everyone else, it's easy. 333 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:30,520 Go to roundtripdeath.com, click on the little donation button in the upper right hand corner. 334 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:34,880 You can show your support for the podcast and help us move forward. 335 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:37,480 We have had requests for video interviews. 336 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:41,640 That's something that we'll be unveiling soon, as well as other improvements. 337 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:42,640 Thank you. 338 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:43,640 Thank you in advance. 339 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:46,080 Now, back to the guest. 340 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:50,200 I'm satisfied, I'm comfortable knowing that she'll be waiting for me. 341 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:54,160 I always relate back to my, my thoughts about the afterlife. 342 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:56,520 I feel like I'm even ready right now. 343 00:22:56,520 --> 00:23:04,360 If somebody told me I only had a day to live, I would just consider, consider it a joyous 344 00:23:04,360 --> 00:23:06,840 passing, nothing to be afraid of. 345 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:13,240 The experiences that you have had, while lots of other people have had them, they're still 346 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:18,320 very rare and it's still a small minority of people that have had these experiences. 347 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:24,560 Do you have any feeling for why you were given these experiences, you personally? 348 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:26,400 That is a mystery to me. 349 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:29,200 You know, I'm not that religious. 350 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:31,720 Perhaps it's just a luck of the draw. 351 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:39,040 I have a spiritual guide who saw that, you know, my body was probably in a state of failing 352 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:46,920 that night at the end of my COVID, a week of COVID, and she probably thought that to 353 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:53,240 give me some hope into, you know, with all the circumstances of that dream experience, 354 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:58,480 you know, I would wake up and continue on for a couple more years. 355 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:07,200 But what was amazing, and this makes me think that we have more of a connection to this 356 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:14,040 afterlife, this other world than people may realize, even the experts, from when I went 357 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:20,800 through, I think we have a connection to these spirit beings. 358 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:28,080 But what happened was about a month after I had this experience, and I call it a near 359 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:32,320 near death because I still don't know what in the world happened to me. 360 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:36,880 I had a dream, and it was one of my lucid dreams. 361 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:43,440 I was in a bar, it was with my wife and family and some friends, and we were sitting at a 362 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:52,520 bench, a table in the bar listening to loud, loud live music, and everybody was happy and 363 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:54,960 talking. 364 00:24:54,960 --> 00:25:02,880 And like out of the twilight zone, the dream just froze, it turned black and white, nothing 365 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:08,280 moved, there was a deafening silence. 366 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:15,400 And my wife had gotten up before the dream froze, she went and got up and went to get 367 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:18,800 a drink, so there was nobody sitting next to me. 368 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:24,760 The dream froze, and I was sitting there wondering like, what is going on? 369 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:31,640 Everything is black and white, no sound, no movement, and all of a sudden I felt somebody 370 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:38,920 bump me on my left side, and I looked over, and it was my angel. 371 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:48,440 And I get very emotional when I think back on this, she looked at me, and she was wearing 372 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:52,200 a beautiful white gown. 373 00:25:52,200 --> 00:26:02,400 There was all made up, and she reached over, and she touched my mid abdomen, and she said, 374 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:05,400 you have a piece of me in you. 375 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:13,240 I didn't say anything, and then she said, I'm always by your side, I will never leave 376 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:15,680 you. 377 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:21,440 And then the dream resumed, the noise was back, everything was back. 378 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:28,000 And it was like, this is odd to happen in a dream, to have a message like that. 379 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:33,440 So I maintained the connection, and I know she's there. 380 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:38,920 And as I go about my day to day activities, especially in the weeks following my first 381 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:45,560 experience in the dream, she's always there in my mind. 382 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:50,920 I always see her, if I'm sitting alone, quiet, I can just see her right in front of me. 383 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:55,520 There you have it, that's what I experienced. 384 00:26:55,520 --> 00:27:04,360 And it changed my complete outlook toward what life is, what's out there. 385 00:27:04,360 --> 00:27:09,520 There's a lot out there that we just don't understand as mortal human beings. 386 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:13,720 There is something to an afterlife. 387 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:21,240 I believe in the theory that we're all connected. 388 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:27,080 God is everywhere, God is everything, God is a force that it's the life force in the 389 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,760 entire universe. 390 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:37,680 And when I experienced this love and this light, I went right to that cosmic source. 391 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:43,040 There was nothing there, nothing physical, just love, peace, bliss. 392 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:47,320 And I think that's the ultimate source where we all go. 393 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:53,640 We're all one, we're all part of this universal God force. 394 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:57,160 People may disagree, people may say, well, you know, they're going to see Jesus and they're 395 00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:01,120 going to be in the presence of Jesus and heaven and all that. 396 00:28:01,120 --> 00:28:08,440 But I think that's all part of that hallucinogenic travel to the afterlife. 397 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:09,800 I didn't go through the tunnel. 398 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:11,840 I went on a ferry boat ride. 399 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:14,160 It's got a humerus. 400 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:16,320 Everybody's experience is different. 401 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:21,080 You'd be surprised how many people, Harry, don't go through a tunnel. 402 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:24,640 They just find themselves in another place. 403 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,640 Or the journey takes place some other way. 404 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:29,640 That's a beautiful story. 405 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:36,600 With all of the health problems that you have and going through cancer and things like that, 406 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:40,280 sounds like because of this, you don't have very much fear of death. 407 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,040 Would that be the case? 408 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:43,040 Absolutely. 409 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,560 I'm ready to go. 410 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:48,960 You know, I don't mean to sound like suicidal or anything like that. 411 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,400 I am happy with my life. 412 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,880 I have a lot to give to this world. 413 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:55,280 And to butterflies. 414 00:28:55,280 --> 00:29:01,200 I've discovered actually a few butterflies right here in the eastern U.S. with co-authors 415 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,280 right under our very noses. 416 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:05,920 Butterflies never thought known to exist. 417 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:12,240 And I have a few more in the works and study and I need a little more time. 418 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:14,720 You need time to get your name on a species. 419 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:15,720 How's that? 420 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:16,720 Yeah. 421 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:21,360 The Harry butterflies that aren't Harry. 422 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:26,440 Would you mind telling us, and you don't have to go into any personal detail, but telling 423 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:32,080 us why you need to remain a bit anonymous with this. 424 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:35,160 Have you tried sharing this with loved ones before? 425 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:40,440 I've shared it with, I believe it was Dr. Moody at UVA. 426 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:43,520 I actually did a little bit of stalking. 427 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:49,000 I found his email address through the staff directory and I emailed him. 428 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:55,080 They have a link where you can submit your NDEs, which is what I did, but I never got 429 00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:56,920 much of a response. 430 00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:01,280 So I emailed him and he actually did email me back and he said, yeah, you had elements 431 00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:03,400 of a near-death experience. 432 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:11,640 I shared it with a doctor friend of mine who really didn't respond, but I related it to 433 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,240 a friend in California. 434 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:24,000 He's very religious and he related back and he said, yeah, he believed exactly what I experienced. 435 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,840 Dr. Moody is awesome, by the way. 436 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:27,920 He's been on the show. 437 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:30,600 We had a great discussion. 438 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:32,680 I thoroughly enjoyed him. 439 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:36,800 For those that aren't familiar with him, he's sort of the, I guess you could call him the 440 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:39,160 godfather of near-death experiences. 441 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:46,360 He coined the term way back in the 1970s and has written multiple books and done tons of 442 00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:50,600 research on it, et cetera, very highly respected. 443 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:54,280 So I'm glad you had a chance to communicate with him some. 444 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:55,280 He's a great guy. 445 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:57,480 I still need to read his book. 446 00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:59,840 Well, he has a few of them. 447 00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:01,840 I haven't read them all yet. 448 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:07,400 But yeah, if anyone wants to hear that episode, by the way, go to roundtriptdeath.com. 449 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:13,280 There is a little search tool and you can just search Dr. Raymond Moody and his episode 450 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,080 will come up. 451 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:19,480 Was there a problem telling close loved ones? 452 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,680 Did they believe what happened to you? 453 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:26,360 I had not related it to my family. 454 00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:31,280 My wife, she doesn't believe in that kind of stuff. 455 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:33,320 She wouldn't understand. 456 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:38,240 We have issues about seeing eye to eye on things like that. 457 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:44,080 My daughter who lives with us, she, I think she would go into a panic and be too overly 458 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:49,680 concerned about my frailty as being near-death. 459 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:55,240 My wife actually, even though I'm only 69 years old, my wife treats me like I'm 90 years 460 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:56,240 old. 461 00:31:56,240 --> 00:32:01,280 She's afraid of me falling, she's afraid of me going outside for a walk. 462 00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:07,800 I don't want to introduce any kind of unfounded concerns on their part. 463 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:13,680 So I haven't related it to my wife and daughter here. 464 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:20,720 Although I do have a daughter who actually lives in Colorado and she's starting to go 465 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:26,440 into, she's starting to come around to talk about afterlife and things like that. 466 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:28,160 So I may relate to her. 467 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:30,240 I think she's more open-minded about it. 468 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:36,440 And I'm curious to see how she'll react to my story. 469 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:40,320 I feel kind of embarrassed about going to tears when I tell her. 470 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:49,240 But when I woke up from my first experience, from my NDE, was as soon as I came to my senses, 471 00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:56,160 I went to my computer and I sat there for about two hours typing up every little detail 472 00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:59,760 that I could remember, which is how I remember it to this day. 473 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,800 Otherwise, it would start to fade in my memory. 474 00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:05,440 I often go to tears reading it. 475 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,240 I'm glad you've done that. 476 00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:13,160 That'll be of great worth to your posterity when they read that someday. 477 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:14,680 They're not going to think you're crazy. 478 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:16,520 They're going to understand. 479 00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:17,520 I hope not. 480 00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:18,520 No. 481 00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:20,640 Well, this is all so beautiful. 482 00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,680 And I really appreciate your time today. 483 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:27,240 And before I let you go, give a plug for the butterflies. 484 00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:28,640 So I'm a hobby beekeeper. 485 00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,640 I'm not that into butterflies, but I like bees. 486 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:37,360 So let's talk pollinators in general because this is actually pollinator month, as you 487 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:38,360 probably know. 488 00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:39,360 Oh, yes. 489 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:40,360 Exactly. 490 00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:42,200 So give a plug for the pollinators. 491 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:45,120 What should people do and not do in their yards? 492 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:54,640 Well, when I tell friends, I have a small group here of friends that we share information. 493 00:33:54,640 --> 00:34:02,240 One of the things I recommend that people do is go online, do a little bit of research, 494 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:05,560 googling, or duck duck going as I do. 495 00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:10,920 Look up what food plants the butterfly caterpillars like to eat. 496 00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:11,920 That's very important. 497 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:16,480 A lot of people plant beautiful gardens, which I encourage. 498 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:20,040 And I tell people, plant a lot of attractive flowers. 499 00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:21,200 Look online. 500 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:26,920 Try to get a book on butterfly gardening or nature gardening. 501 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:31,000 And combine the flowers with host plants. 502 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:36,960 So when the butterflies come into your garden, depending on the species, if you have their 503 00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:40,440 particular host plants there, there's a good chance to lay eggs. 504 00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:46,240 And you'll be helping their population to survive. 505 00:34:46,240 --> 00:34:50,840 Like with the monarchs, people encourage to plant milkweeds. 506 00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:57,160 Because I know in the Midwest, the farmers there, they're trying to eradicate the milkweed 507 00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:03,360 because I forget the whole story, but they don't like it growing in their crops. 508 00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:09,880 I guess they consider it a weed and they spray all the weeds and they spray for the milkweed. 509 00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:15,760 And what's happening is the monarch population is declining, at least in the Midwest from 510 00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:16,760 what I hear. 511 00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:18,840 Eastern is a different story. 512 00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:22,400 We don't have as much agriculture as out West. 513 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,560 And a lot of people here are planting lots of milkweeds. 514 00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:29,200 And I have a small garden now. 515 00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:32,760 We used to have another house and I had a huge garden with lots of flowers. 516 00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:38,280 I had butterflies that were not supposed to be there. 517 00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:41,280 Two species I came from out of the mountains to my garden. 518 00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:44,440 I had their host plants and they found them. 519 00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:50,000 I had colonies of these mountain butterflies in my suburban butterfly garden in Northern 520 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:51,000 Virginia. 521 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:57,680 So, that's what I tell people and not to use insecticides, not to spray. 522 00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:02,280 Many of the herbicides will kill pollinators as well. 523 00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,480 Most people are unaware of that. 524 00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:08,120 Your roundups and things like that don't sue me roundup. 525 00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:12,800 But yeah, it's proven that the glyphosate is killing bees and all kinds of other good 526 00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:14,960 pollinators too. 527 00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:20,400 Relating back to butterflies, when I was younger, when I first moved down here, I had described 528 00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,080 a butterfly in New England with a co-author. 529 00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,560 It's called the Cherrygall Azure. 530 00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:29,400 It's a small blue butterfly that nobody had recognized as a species. 531 00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:35,000 And we wrote up the study and published it, peer-reviewed science. 532 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:39,280 I moved down here and nobody knew about it down here. 533 00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:46,600 I went up in the mountains and I found a small colony of this butterfly up on Skyline Drive 534 00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:51,960 in Shenandoah National Park, which was very unusual because we had only known them to 535 00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:55,840 be up in New England and New York, Pennsylvania, that area. 536 00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,360 So I had studied them for about a year or two. 537 00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:03,760 I went back up to see them and I was kind of happy to see them flying around. 538 00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:09,960 And then the gypsy moth started moving south into the mountains here. 539 00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:12,720 And of course, leave it to the government. 540 00:37:12,720 --> 00:37:19,400 They decided to spray everything within a mile of Skyline Drive with this gyp-check, 541 00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:26,080 which kills not only every gypsy moth, but every butterfly and moth caterpillar and I 542 00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:28,760 believe literally every insect. 543 00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:34,240 In the years following, that butterfly disappeared, they killed it off with the gyp-check. 544 00:37:34,240 --> 00:37:37,200 And it's very sad that that happened. 545 00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:38,200 That's really sad. 546 00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:41,160 Well, listeners, I'm sorry to get off on this tangent. 547 00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:42,160 It was my fault. 548 00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:43,800 I brought it up. 549 00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:46,000 Harry is so passionate about butterflies. 550 00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:47,240 I love it. 551 00:37:47,240 --> 00:37:53,760 But Harry, one day, years from now, when we're both on the other side, please bring your 552 00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:54,880 angel to meet me. 553 00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:56,440 I would love to meet her. 554 00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:57,440 Okay? 555 00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:59,800 My pleasure. 556 00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:06,560 So Harry, before we go, I'd love to leave everybody with a message of hope, something 557 00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:09,280 positive, something to brighten their day. 558 00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,680 What have you got for us today? 559 00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:20,960 My message to people who go through their life, they look at their lives and they think 560 00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,120 back, was I a good person? 561 00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:24,120 Was I a bad person? 562 00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:25,680 Did I have a good life? 563 00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,400 Did I contribute something to this world? 564 00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:34,120 I think we all contribute something positive to this world. 565 00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:36,280 We build up our experiences. 566 00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:44,360 And I think that's the bottom line about this going to the afterlife. 567 00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:48,200 We take these experiences with us. 568 00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:52,240 And we each have our own experiences. 569 00:38:52,240 --> 00:38:58,360 A lot of us may be religious, a lot of us may be new earthers and they don't believe 570 00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:01,360 in Jesus. 571 00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:10,360 We take all these experiences with us and knowing that your life's some leaves this 572 00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:13,040 earth on a positive note. 573 00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:19,360 If you can gather up all your positive experiences and thoughts and dreams and everything and 574 00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:25,880 hang on to those, knowing that when you're in your death bed or you have an accidental 575 00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:32,120 death that you're taking those positive experiences with you. 576 00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:38,840 And those make your afterlife or your journey to the afterlife. 577 00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,160 That's what my message would be. 578 00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:48,880 For people that don't believe in God, why should they believe in an afterlife? 579 00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:53,960 I often questioned about is there really a God? 580 00:39:53,960 --> 00:40:01,040 Is God just a made up fable from the early writers of the Bible? 581 00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:10,200 I've delved into various writings and radio broadcasts in the past about the afterlife. 582 00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:15,520 I think that people don't understand what God is. 583 00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:20,320 I don't think God is a human or has human characteristics. 584 00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:31,480 They say God made our minds in the image of his mind, but I'm convinced that God is not 585 00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:34,240 a person. 586 00:40:34,240 --> 00:40:35,960 God is everything. 587 00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:37,480 God is the universe. 588 00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:45,600 God is the life force that binds everything together. 589 00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:56,760 When we go, like I experienced, you ultimately wind up in this state of unexplainable, unbelievable 590 00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:59,600 bliss. 591 00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:04,360 If you're positive about your life and you're positive about what you've contributed to 592 00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:11,320 this world, I think that experience will be the best thing for you. 593 00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:14,760 It'll contribute to the overall God force. 594 00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:19,760 I think all of our experiences we built to this God force. 595 00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:24,760 Who knows where this is all leading in humanity? 596 00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:29,760 You talk about the universe expanding and what becomes of the universe someday. 597 00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:32,760 To me, that's all part of God. 598 00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:34,560 That's what He is. 599 00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:35,800 He's everywhere. 600 00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,480 He's everything. 601 00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:41,440 We experience that when we pass. 602 00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:43,200 All right. 603 00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:44,960 Thanks again for being with me today. 604 00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:45,960 Okay. 605 00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:46,960 Thanks. 606 00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:47,960 Thanks, Eric. 607 00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:50,360 It was a pleasure talking to you. 608 00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:53,000 Thank you so much for listening and supporting the show. 609 00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:57,920 Just a reminder, click on over to roundtripdeath.com to make a donation, and we'll put a link 610 00:41:57,920 --> 00:41:59,480 in the show notes. 611 00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:04,520 Until then, I wish you every good thing that you're looking for in this life and the next.