1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:08,400 From the time that they pronounced me deaf was a good 45 minutes. 2 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:13,440 They cut my clothes and then they paddled my heart, my heart had stopped. 3 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:18,120 And I could see people screaming and crying, but I didn't realize that was actually my 4 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:21,320 physical body because I was somewhere else. 5 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:27,400 The only thing that I could feel, if you could imagine, absolute love and peace, there wasn't 6 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:29,400 anything else to be felt. 7 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:32,560 I was greeted by people I'd known in the past. 8 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:34,160 I'm back home again. 9 00:00:34,160 --> 00:00:38,480 Incredibly safe and felt at home. 10 00:00:38,480 --> 00:00:41,360 Welcome, welcome to Round Trip Death, everybody. 11 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:46,000 And I'm going to give you a little preface to this interview, but let's introduce Jared 12 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:47,000 first. 13 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:48,760 Jared Geading from Pocatello, Idaho. 14 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:50,400 Welcome to the show. 15 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:52,040 Thank you very much. 16 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:56,000 So here's the warning that I'm going to give everybody. 17 00:00:56,000 --> 00:01:01,680 From time to time, we talk about distressing or disturbing experiences that people have 18 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:04,480 had with their NDEs. 19 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:08,840 We also talk about other related experiences to NDEs. 20 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:12,100 Today is going to be sort of a combination of the two. 21 00:01:12,100 --> 00:01:20,200 Not your classic died when to the other side came back, but a very similar and related 22 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:25,640 kind of experience and with some just very distressing stuff into it. 23 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:31,640 So parents, you might want to maybe not have kids involved in this one. 24 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:32,640 We'll see. 25 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:33,760 Listen to it and see. 26 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:37,240 And I promise, you know the show, there's always a happy ending. 27 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:42,360 So with that said, Jared, can you tell us just a little bit about you? 28 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:47,200 Yeah, I am 50 years old, living in Pocatello. 29 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:49,200 Got just a wonderful job. 30 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:52,040 I've been through some really difficult things. 31 00:01:52,040 --> 00:02:00,320 Living in Utah and just had some amazing experiences that turned me into a person that 32 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:06,360 lives in a life of gratitude and very Christ centered. 33 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:12,960 And I very much am happy with where God has led me from a very dark place to where I'm 34 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:13,960 at now. 35 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:16,040 Well, we're going to jump right into it. 36 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:19,280 Unfortunately, that's going to start with that dark place. 37 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:20,480 Okay. 38 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:25,160 So let's go back to where you're 24 years old. 39 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:27,720 Give me an idea of what's going on in your life. 40 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:29,960 You're living kind of a rough life, aren't you? 41 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:30,960 I am. 42 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:37,200 I had made some really bad choices, had some problems with addiction. 43 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:42,720 My father-in-law encouraged it because he had the same problem and I was hanging out 44 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:46,080 with him when this happened. 45 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:50,960 And it just was just a living nightmare. 46 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:52,320 Well tell us what happened. 47 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:53,320 Okay. 48 00:02:53,320 --> 00:03:01,840 So him and I had decided to go meet some other gentlemen and we were just out of a bunch 49 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:03,360 of other bad choices. 50 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:06,720 And I don't even remember what we were doing. 51 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:12,320 It was to get something from them and I don't remember exactly what it was, but it was something 52 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:16,760 that was important to my father-in-law at the time and he asked me to go with him. 53 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:21,600 So we pulled into this field that was down in Salt Lake. 54 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:27,640 It was an empty lot, but it was just nothing but sagebrush, about an acre. 55 00:03:27,640 --> 00:03:32,840 And we were sitting there waiting and these other two gentlemen never showed up, but we 56 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:35,040 didn't know that at the time. 57 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:38,120 And so we're just sitting there waiting. 58 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:46,920 And all of a sudden my father-in-law slumped over in a seat and just fell asleep. 59 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:52,360 And I was like, well, it was just weird the way it happened. 60 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:58,680 And at first I didn't think much of it and I just left him alone. 61 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:05,680 And as I'm sitting there by myself, all of a sudden I see these three beings that start 62 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:07,520 walking towards me. 63 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:12,800 I could just tell there was just the whole feeling, the atmosphere changed. 64 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:19,760 It was the best way to put it is that hold on my soul in a very dark place, in a very 65 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:28,080 dark way to where I just felt in man's sphere, these beings, they had sort of like demonic 66 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:29,080 phases. 67 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:31,600 They just, they looked really creepy. 68 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:33,480 You could tell there was something wrong with them. 69 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:37,560 They weren't human, is what I'm saying. 70 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:39,120 I don't know what they were. 71 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:43,520 I assume they were demons, but that's just an assumption. 72 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:45,920 To this day I don't know what they were. 73 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:52,680 So what happened is from there I started freaking out and I tried to wake up my father-in-law 74 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:57,560 and I'm physically hitting him and I'm grabbing him and shaking him. 75 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:01,920 And nothing I do will wake him up like he is just out. 76 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:04,280 And I'm flying some very serious horse. 77 00:05:04,280 --> 00:05:10,160 I mean, I'm not like slugging him, you know, but I am hitting him pretty hard and he won't 78 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:11,160 wake up. 79 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:13,920 Is that normal for him by the way? 80 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:16,600 No, absolutely not. 81 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:21,120 From what I know now is just that I was meant to have this experience. 82 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:23,240 And have it alone it sounds like. 83 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:27,560 Yeah, and it was to make sure that he wasn't involved. 84 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:31,160 And so I got out of the truck and I just started running. 85 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:43,200 One of the beans just turned and looked at me and it was with such disdain, such arrogance. 86 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:45,720 Like you're not even worth my time. 87 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:48,440 I'm not going to chase you. 88 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:51,840 I don't want anything from you because you're nothing to me. 89 00:05:51,840 --> 00:05:54,240 That was the look he gave me. 90 00:05:54,240 --> 00:06:00,840 And because of the way I was living, because of just the choices I made. 91 00:06:00,840 --> 00:06:04,720 I felt like I was going to hell. 92 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:06,200 That's what I felt like. 93 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:10,160 Whatever you think hell is, that's what where I thought I was going. 94 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:15,240 And I thought, well, if I'm going to hell, I was going to embrace it. 95 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:22,480 I was 100% thinking, well, if this is the way that my wife's going to go and I'm going 96 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:28,440 to choose that, then I'm going to embrace the dark side. 97 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:34,080 And I think that, well, I know that's why this experience happened is because I was 98 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:35,600 going to choose that. 99 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:40,840 I was actually planning my first very violent experience. 100 00:06:40,840 --> 00:06:43,600 I wouldn't say I was planning a murder, but it was close to it. 101 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:51,320 I was going to physically hurt someone and it was going to end and either probably, I 102 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:57,240 hate to say that because it sounds so awful, but I was planning some really bad stuff. 103 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:05,640 So as I get out and I'm running and this demon is looking at me, I very, very, very clearly 104 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:11,880 in my head heard, this is your fate if you do not change. 105 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:17,800 And in an instant, that whole field I'm running through changed and I could see spirits all 106 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:22,280 around me that were in just despair. 107 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:28,440 I wouldn't say, like, I don't know if I believe in like a hellfire burning. 108 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:31,080 Maybe there's that, but that's not what I saw. 109 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:37,120 What I saw was spirits that were resonating at the lowest possible frequency. 110 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:45,320 I was so low in the way that I was living that I felt like that's where I was going 111 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:51,200 to go if I freely chose to keep going the way I was going. 112 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:56,880 The spirits I saw, I could hear screaming, I could hear just despair. 113 00:07:56,880 --> 00:08:06,400 I could see spirits that were people that were trying to get gratification sexually. 114 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:14,800 Just seemed animalistic, just perversions that I've never seen before in this life. 115 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:19,040 It was creepy and it was scary. 116 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:22,360 Even right now I'm shaking because I'm thinking about it. 117 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:27,200 And so what I did is I was running and it was wintertime. 118 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:34,440 I didn't have a coat, but nothing was going to stop me from trying to run out, run this. 119 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:42,440 And just as peeked into this plane of existence of where these spirits were, like I said, 120 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:44,760 I don't know if it's in this hell. 121 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:47,000 It's definitely informed us. 122 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:56,840 Just the pure agony that I saw on these people's faces was so horrific that it absolutely scared 123 00:08:56,840 --> 00:09:02,800 me to the point where I broke down crying as I was running and I started praying for 124 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:05,520 the first time in a long time. 125 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:09,880 And I was begging God, please, please, just close this up. 126 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:12,120 I don't want to see this anymore. 127 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:14,520 I can't handle this. 128 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:21,240 And as I was running, it's like I was running through this field trying to get out of it. 129 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:24,120 It started to slowly close up. 130 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:31,480 As I was running and praying, little by little, the more I prayed, the more it went away. 131 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:37,880 I just kept running and I kept praying and it slowly started to close up. 132 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:41,560 And I looked back and I could see that one being that was looking at me and he stared 133 00:09:41,560 --> 00:09:47,480 at me the whole time and I could see him in the distance and it was just with such disgust 134 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:51,560 like you could run, but you're not going anywhere. 135 00:09:51,560 --> 00:09:57,720 That was the look I got from him and he was one of the scariest individuals I've ever 136 00:09:57,720 --> 00:09:58,720 seen in my life. 137 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:01,480 And I hope I never run across him again. 138 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:02,480 All right. 139 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:05,160 I want to ask a couple of questions before we move on. 140 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:06,160 Sure. 141 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:10,480 And I don't want to dwell too much on a hellish scene, but I do have a couple of questions 142 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:12,040 about it. 143 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:17,840 So the three beings that seemed demonic, but then you saw other people, did they look like 144 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:19,160 regular people? 145 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:20,480 Yes. 146 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:26,600 But as you said, they just looked horrible to spare, terrible things going on. 147 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:34,360 Did the scene look like, I don't know, was it like red, fire, brimstone or I'm kind of 148 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:37,680 picturing more of a black and white dreary? 149 00:10:37,680 --> 00:10:38,960 It was. 150 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:44,400 It was dark and it was like a dark nest all around. 151 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:48,120 And it was, it was just heavy. 152 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:51,880 It is the best way for me to describe it. 153 00:10:51,880 --> 00:11:02,480 And it was people in an absolute state of just agony and people screaming, you know, 154 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:11,040 like, I'm sorry and, and just victimizing themselves and trying to think well, so I 155 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:13,040 can describe it. 156 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:14,640 It was just dark. 157 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:15,920 Everything about it was dark. 158 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:21,640 As you've had time to think about it over the years, do you feel like you were, I don't 159 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:27,040 know, do you feel like this was sort of a, an illusion, a dream kind of thing made up 160 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:33,960 for you or like maybe you were seeing a real hellish experience with real life people who 161 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:35,320 had ended up there? 162 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:36,320 Yes. 163 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:42,000 I believe it was a real life experience with people who were there in that experience that 164 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:43,520 it was current. 165 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:49,960 The reason that God said to me, this is your fate if you don't change, and I'll never forget 166 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:51,360 those words. 167 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:59,120 But because I was planning such evil things and I was going in such a bad direction that 168 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:05,200 God made an exception because he needed me to go a different direction. 169 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:07,720 He needed other things for me. 170 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:09,920 It had the, the, the proper effect. 171 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:13,720 Like it took me years to turn my life around. 172 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:18,520 It wasn't instant, but I instantly tried. 173 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:22,880 I ran home and I woke up my wife. 174 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:25,000 How far away was that? 175 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:26,000 About four miles. 176 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:27,000 Oh wow. 177 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:28,920 Long, long run. 178 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:29,920 I just ran. 179 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:32,080 I was so scared. 180 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:34,000 You had some adrenaline going. 181 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:35,000 I did. 182 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:39,200 And I didn't care that it was winter time or cold. 183 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:43,320 I just, I just kept running and I prayed all the way. 184 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:46,920 I woke up my wife and said, we need to talk. 185 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:48,280 And I just told her everything. 186 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:51,680 I didn't hold anything back. 187 00:12:51,680 --> 00:12:56,400 And she did the most Christian act anyone has ever done for me. 188 00:12:56,400 --> 00:13:04,200 She gave up everything right then and said, well, in order for you to straighten up, 189 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:09,680 we need to move away from my family because they're, they're the ones causing the problem. 190 00:13:09,680 --> 00:13:15,000 And we're going to move to Southern Utah with your family and get you right on the, on the 191 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:16,160 right track. 192 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:21,120 The funny thing is that she was an atheist, but she did the most Christian thing I've 193 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:23,320 ever seen anybody do. 194 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:26,960 And she gave up everything to help me. 195 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:35,360 And it was such a timed sacrifice that I was overwhelmed by her sacrifices. 196 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:38,880 And I would just had nothing but gratitude for her. 197 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:44,440 And I always told her because of that, no matter what, and we ended up getting into 198 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:51,160 divorce later, and a lot of it was because of the mistakes I had made earlier that just 199 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:53,880 caused, you know, some problems in the marriage. 200 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:59,640 But that was down the road where we just decided to go different ways. 201 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:07,080 But I always told her, no matter what, if you need me, I will drop anything and be at your 202 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:09,160 side because of what you did. 203 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:15,960 It just, it was just such an amazing, charitable thing that she did that she gave up so much 204 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:17,800 for me. 205 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:24,360 And that was free, kind of a first act to show that I'm getting back on the right track. 206 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:32,800 And I saw a bunch of other just amazing things along the way as I started to turn my life 207 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:37,520 around and, and head back to a Christian way of life. 208 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:43,040 And this isn't probably an important part of the story, but I'm just so curious. 209 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:45,640 What happened to the father-in-law? 210 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:48,680 He was left there asleep in hell. 211 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:50,840 Was he okay? 212 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:52,560 Did he just wake up later? 213 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:54,840 Did you go back and get him? 214 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:56,800 He was comfortable there. 215 00:14:56,800 --> 00:15:01,280 So he never changed. 216 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:03,000 He's still alive. 217 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:04,000 But he woke up. 218 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:05,000 Yeah. 219 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:06,000 I saw him the next day. 220 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:09,680 He came over to my house and he's like, Oh, sorry, I fell asleep. 221 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:10,680 Those guys never showed up. 222 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:13,280 And I was like, Oh, okay. 223 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:22,080 I didn't tell him the experience because he was very much a non-believer and everything. 224 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:28,560 My wife, which is her father said, Hey, we need to talk. 225 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:31,120 And she ripped into him. 226 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:40,440 And this is a, we're leaving, we're moving because of what you've contributed to my house 227 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:43,440 done's wellbeing and, and why not? 228 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:49,720 And she was fearless in, in descending me, just an amazing woman. 229 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:56,080 I still think she, she may be my ex-wife, but she is just an amazing person, amazing 230 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:57,080 human being. 231 00:15:57,080 --> 00:15:58,080 That's a great attitude. 232 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:02,440 Okay, I'm done asking questions for a minute. 233 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:04,840 You keep going here. 234 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:09,960 So was it hard to turn your, you mentioned it wasn't easy to turn your life around immediately. 235 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:15,360 That sounds like you had addictions to get over that take a few years. 236 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:22,880 You know, here's the funny thing is once I started praying and I told God, I'd turned 237 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:31,680 my life around and what I, I felt like he instantly sent out, not only with the way 238 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:38,800 that my wife was acting and, and her defense of me and willing to help me change. 239 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:45,200 Once I was honest with her and I told her everything, the funny thing is the addiction 240 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:47,240 instantly left. 241 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:55,600 Like I, I quit that day and I did not ever pick it up again. 242 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:57,600 And it, it was amazing to me. 243 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:04,320 I even told her that and like how, how is it possible to be addicted for over a year 244 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:13,480 and hide it and speak around and, and just this whole nightmare of what addiction is. 245 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:17,560 And the next day be able to get over it. 246 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:19,880 Like to me, it was a miracle to me. 247 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:21,720 It was, it was amazing. 248 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:23,720 It was humbling. 249 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:32,960 And that was, I feel like God also helping me to overcome something that I desperately 250 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:33,960 needed help with. 251 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:39,000 And you said that during the experience, God told you, this is your fate. 252 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:42,840 If you do not change, did you feel like that was actually a voice out loud? 253 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:45,240 Or was this a thought in your head? 254 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:46,240 What was it? 255 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:50,320 I was a very, very strong voice in my head. 256 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:53,760 I didn't hear it out loud, but I did hear it in my head. 257 00:17:53,760 --> 00:18:00,680 And it's not like the voice that you hear when you're, you're thinking and you're thinking 258 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:07,320 things through or talking to yourself or it wasn't that it was very much a very different 259 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:10,720 presence, very different strong voice. 260 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:20,000 And many times since then, I have prayed and asked God, did this really happen? 261 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:23,360 Then I mean, was, was it just a chemical balance? 262 00:18:23,360 --> 00:18:25,480 Am I just crazy? 263 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:28,720 And I've gotten a very strong response to that. 264 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:34,400 But no, I sent that experience to you because I needed you back on my side. 265 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:39,080 I didn't need you to go down there and do those things. 266 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:42,680 And he, he needed me on my side for my benefit. 267 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:48,800 You know, there's nothing that God can't do on his own, but he was doing it for me. 268 00:18:48,800 --> 00:19:02,480 So since then, I did a lot of self-help type things and made sure that I tried to change 269 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:05,240 and be the exact opposite of how I was. 270 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:10,120 And now I live every day trying to make the world a better place. 271 00:19:10,120 --> 00:19:13,360 Just one, one kind act at a time. 272 00:19:13,360 --> 00:19:17,400 Make sure I treat everybody the way I want to be treated. 273 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:25,240 Make sure that I try to contribute in some way to this life every day. 274 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:31,400 Even if it's just something small, like making sure that I show kindness to somebody in the 275 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:32,400 store. 276 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:37,960 And of course, any act I could ever do to help someone I would do as just me trying 277 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:41,440 to do just the opposite of the way I used to live. 278 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:44,760 By the way, listeners, if you think we're wrapping up here, and this is going to be 279 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:50,960 a short episode, we're not, we're just going to jump into part two here, which is a really 280 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:54,880 cool experience that happened to you about five years later, right? 281 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:55,880 It is. 282 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:56,880 Yes. 283 00:19:56,880 --> 00:20:02,760 So I kept wondering, have I done enough? 284 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:06,920 And I would pray and ask God, have I done enough? 285 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:12,840 And I would get the answer or just the, just a feeling of God's love saying, you know, 286 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:15,080 you really need to stop worrying about that. 287 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:16,680 Like you're, you're, you're fine. 288 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:17,680 You're on the right track. 289 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:19,160 You're doing well. 290 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:25,600 Hey, just a brief interruption this month, starting today, we're asking you, our favorite 291 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:28,840 listener to support this show. 292 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:34,680 It's definitely a labor of love for Will and I, but it takes a ton of time and money and 293 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:37,480 we need donations to keep things going. 294 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:38,480 It's easy. 295 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:43,440 Go to roundtripdeath.com, click on the little donation button in the upper right hand corner. 296 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:48,120 You can show your appreciation for the podcast and help us move forward. 297 00:20:48,120 --> 00:20:51,040 We've had requests for video interviews. 298 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:54,680 That's something that we'll be unveiling soon as well as other improvements. 299 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:55,680 Thank you. 300 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:56,680 Thank you. 301 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:57,680 Thank you. 302 00:20:57,680 --> 00:20:58,680 Now back to the guest. 303 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:04,640 So about five years later, I'm living in American Fort. 304 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:11,760 I had been remarried, been married about a year and my wife was pregnant with our first 305 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:13,240 child. 306 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:22,000 I go in for knee surgery and while I'm in under knee surgery, I had an experience. 307 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:30,440 I remember them putting me to sleep and the next thing I remember is me having a conversation 308 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:36,480 with my unborn child and I'm able to see him and I'm looking right at him. 309 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:40,800 I remember looking at him and going, why you look so much like your mom and you look so 310 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:43,000 much like me. 311 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:47,680 He was in his mid-20s. 312 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:56,120 He turned to me, he said, I love you dad, but he said it mind to mind. 313 00:21:56,120 --> 00:22:03,240 When he said it, it was like a freight train of love just at full blast, blast interior. 314 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:05,200 That's the best way I can describe it. 315 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:08,680 It was just so amazing. 316 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:12,280 Words can't describe it. 317 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:18,720 Like I say, a freight train in your love was the best description I can give that even 318 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:25,360 that's inadequate, but I remember looking at him and I remember thinking, wow, I love 319 00:22:25,360 --> 00:22:26,360 you so much. 320 00:22:26,360 --> 00:22:32,240 I was able to convey it back and the next day I know I woke up in the recovery room 321 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:36,880 and I was so frustrated because I wanted to remember more. 322 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:46,040 I knew there was more when I first went to the, when I was talking to my son, the feeling 323 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:53,000 was like when you're talking to someone and somebody else walks into the room and all 324 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:58,320 of a sudden you stop talking for whatever reason, maybe the situation, the other person 325 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:04,160 is not supposed to know about or whatever, but it's like there's something else right 326 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:10,160 on the tip of your tongue or you're, you just have this feeling like you're just about ready 327 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:13,920 to express something and then it stops. 328 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:15,800 That was the feeling I had. 329 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:19,480 And then I look at my son and he said, I love you dad. 330 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:23,960 And then I woke up and I was like, oh man, why can't I remember more? 331 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:26,000 That just seems like so unfair. 332 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:30,640 Like I wanted some great out of body experience. 333 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:36,400 You know, you took up any dear death experience book and they've had, you know, all these 334 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:44,160 long journeys and conversations and I prayed about it and trying to remember more and I 335 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:46,440 knew there was more. 336 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:52,800 But like I even went to a hypnotist and hypnotist, she said, well, let me stop you right there 337 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:58,520 because if you're not supposed to remember it, then the hypnotism is not going to help 338 00:23:58,520 --> 00:23:59,520 you. 339 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:05,520 If God doesn't want you to remember for whatever reason, then you're not going to remember it. 340 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:09,400 And so it took me about two years. 341 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:18,120 And I finally came to the realization that at that time I couldn't handle more. 342 00:24:18,120 --> 00:24:24,200 And if God had given me more, it would have been counterproductive, but he gave me just 343 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:25,200 what I needed. 344 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:30,640 But that memory, I know now that there's God, I saw the other side even for just a brief 345 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:32,000 second. 346 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:33,000 I felt it. 347 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:36,840 I saw my son, my unborn child. 348 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:37,840 That was enough. 349 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:46,760 And it supported me many, many times in this life to help me keep moving forward and to 350 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:52,280 keep my eyes, you know, in the direction it needs to be towards God. 351 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:57,000 But if he had given me more at the time, I would have, I guess, gone on the deep end 352 00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:00,000 or for whatever reason, I couldn't handle at the time. 353 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,560 So loving God gave me just what I could handle. 354 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:05,800 That completely makes sense. 355 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:11,960 And I've talked to many people that have had similar thoughts that we don't like to admit 356 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:12,960 it. 357 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:16,880 You know, we're like, no, we don't. 358 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:18,120 I couldn't handle more. 359 00:25:18,120 --> 00:25:23,840 No, we don't like to admit that, but I really believe that people are given the experience 360 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:31,160 that is just right for them, whether it's a little or a lot or somewhere in between. 361 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:35,560 They're given what they need and what is best for them. 362 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:37,800 We don't know what's best for us. 363 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:44,440 And let's face it, if God opened up too much, I think it would be really hard for us to 364 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:51,680 stay here in this mortal realm on this earth when we would be longing to be in that spirit 365 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,160 world so desperately. 366 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:57,000 I think it would just be, it'd be too hard. 367 00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:58,000 Yes. 368 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:03,680 We've been given a gift of not remembering a lot of things, whether it's, you know, something 369 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:09,960 during an NDE, whether it's where we lived and what it was like before this life. 370 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:11,200 Yeah. 371 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:15,320 There's a reason we don't know it all and it's good for us. 372 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:19,400 It's been difficult for me that I had that experience. 373 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:20,720 I know there's another side. 374 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:23,240 I saw it because I saw that. 375 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:27,080 I know that we, we live before we came here. 376 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:29,200 I know that there's a loving God. 377 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:34,760 I know that, that when family passes on that they're there to help us. 378 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:43,880 I know that there's just so much more when we pass on and just from that small experience 379 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:44,880 I had. 380 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:53,200 And so it's made it so that I can stay grounded here, but I very much look forward to the time 381 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:59,320 when, when my journey here is over and I can feel that love again because it was, it was 382 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:00,320 just incredible. 383 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:07,880 It, oh, I forgot to say to mention this, but it, it lasted for three days and little by 384 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,840 little it just faded out. 385 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:17,280 But for that three days, it's like I felt encompassed in this love that my son's there. 386 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:22,640 And we're not able to really experience it in this life. 387 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:26,120 Our bodies aren't capable of experiencing that kind of love. 388 00:27:26,120 --> 00:27:35,280 And when I had that out of body experience that I felt that it just stayed with me for, 389 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:36,600 for three days. 390 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,920 And it was, it was amazing three days. 391 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:47,760 And I would just break down crying because I just felt so overwhelmed with, with love 392 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:52,360 and to know that there's a loving God on the other side waiting for us. 393 00:27:52,360 --> 00:27:58,800 I was excited for my son to be born, couldn't wait to tell him about it when he was older. 394 00:27:58,800 --> 00:27:59,800 I didn't idea. 395 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:03,640 I tell him now and he's just kind of like, okay, whatever. 396 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:04,640 You're weird. 397 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:08,440 No, when he's a little older, he'll want to hear more about it. 398 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:10,640 How long was this before he was born? 399 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:12,120 Oh, geez. 400 00:28:12,120 --> 00:28:16,480 My wife was, she was about five or six months pregnant. 401 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:18,520 So he was close. 402 00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:23,920 And you remember, I know you don't remember a lot about it in addition to the feeling, 403 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,640 but do you remember seeing him in a place? 404 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:30,680 You said you saw him at what, at what age was it again? 405 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:32,180 20 something? 406 00:28:32,180 --> 00:28:33,920 He was in his mid twenties. 407 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:34,920 Yeah. 408 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:35,920 Okay. 409 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:38,360 And so it was really bright around him. 410 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:45,120 And so I only had, I would say three to four seconds and I was so focused on him that 411 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:46,760 I didn't see anything else around. 412 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,720 I, and I kicked myself like, why didn't you look around? 413 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:57,680 Why didn't you get more, you know, but my son deserves my full attention and he had it. 414 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:05,000 And like I said, we were in discussion of something and it was taken from me, but I 415 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:13,720 just remember looking at him and I was so amazed that to me, just such a beautiful person. 416 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:19,600 I looked at him and remember thinking you just encompass every good trait or value of 417 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:25,000 your mother and every good trait and value of, of, of mine. 418 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:33,320 Just the embodiment of him seemed so pure and so strong and beautiful. 419 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:35,720 And I was amazed by all that. 420 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:37,760 And so I couldn't take my eyes off of him. 421 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:43,960 Because I just remember thinking one, one amazing looking man my son was. 422 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:49,880 And I think once we pass on that, that's what awaits us. 423 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:57,600 I think that's what we will encompass as well is we'll start to embrace the grid, good 424 00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:04,240 traits and the good qualities and, and other people will see the, the beautiful and strong 425 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,520 parts of us on the other side. 426 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:09,640 And that's what awaits for us. 427 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:11,080 How old is he now? 428 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:12,240 21. 429 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:17,040 So he's about at that age where you saw him. 430 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:18,040 Yeah. 431 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:19,040 Yeah. 432 00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:20,040 He is. 433 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:21,040 And he does look that way. 434 00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:22,760 He looks exactly like I saw him in that. 435 00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:29,280 And, and he is by far, so I have six children and he is by far my best looking child. 436 00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:35,400 And he, I'm going to tell the others you said that you're in trouble. 437 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:36,560 Well, all of them know that. 438 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,240 Like he is just way too good looking for his own good. 439 00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:44,000 Like he is just an incredibly beautiful, beautiful person. 440 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:48,120 And yeah, he knows it, but he handles it really well. 441 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:52,480 During that three days after your surgery, you must have been kind of glowing. 442 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:53,800 Oh, absolutely. 443 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:55,800 Did your wife or anybody notice? 444 00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:56,800 Yes. 445 00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:57,800 My wife did. 446 00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:02,600 She, I think she was kind of mad that she hasn't had an experience like that, but, but 447 00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:09,720 she did believe me and the very first thing when I woke up, who I asked for her and the 448 00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:15,000 very first words out of my mouth was I told her, I saw her son. 449 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:20,680 And so she believed me because it's not like you're, you're going to write out a surgery 450 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:25,200 that the very first thing you're, you're eager to do is make up something like that. 451 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:30,000 You know, that just, that just doesn't happen unless that just doesn't happen. 452 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:37,000 She was very much on my side, very much believed me and, and we, we talked a lot about it. 453 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:39,360 And it was just an incredible experience. 454 00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:44,760 And it, like I said, it's carried me many, many times in this life where I've had some 455 00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:48,840 struggles or I've had some difficulty and I'll always think back to that fact. 456 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:53,280 I think about that experience almost every day to this day. 457 00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:56,120 Think that I, I really can't wait till I'm done here. 458 00:31:56,120 --> 00:32:01,880 And I got, I really look forward to the time where I can go to the other side. 459 00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:06,200 I guess I don't need to ask you the question, what's your fear level of death? 460 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:10,520 Oh man, I have, I have zero fear of death. 461 00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:13,200 I very much look forward to it. 462 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:18,440 But on the other hand, I try to keep myself grounded and it's kind of funny. 463 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:24,600 I feel like God has this mission for me through one day at a time, make the world a better 464 00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:30,400 place and it, to me, it seems like it's kind of silly, but I laugh about it, but I still 465 00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:31,760 do it. 466 00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:37,680 I still try my artists to treat anybody I come in contact with, with as much kindness 467 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,720 as I can, treat them the way I want to be treated. 468 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:46,320 And if they ever get a chance to go and help someone, then I do that to try to make the 469 00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:47,720 world's better place. 470 00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:50,560 Well, Jared, I appreciate your time so much. 471 00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:53,640 And thank you for reaching out to me about this. 472 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:59,240 I know you haven't shared this, you know, on other things online and stuff. 473 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:02,080 And so I appreciate you coming here and doing that. 474 00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:05,160 Any last thoughts you want to leave with our listeners? 475 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:11,520 Just that I think that God has a direction for all of us. 476 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:17,520 And I think that I had some really extreme things in my life where God kind of had to 477 00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:22,280 step in and, and I, but I think we're far better off. 478 00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:27,720 Just to know God loves us and try to go in that direction and, and just doing the best 479 00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:33,000 we can make the world a better place one day at a time, one time to act at a time. 480 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:34,400 Thank you, Jared. 481 00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:35,400 Thanks for your time. 482 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,880 You're welcome, sir. 483 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:41,080 Thank you so much for listening and supporting the show. 484 00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:46,240 Just a reminder, click on over to roundtriptest.com to make a donation and there'll be a link 485 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:47,800 in the show notes. 486 00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:53,080 Until then, I wish you every good thing that you're looking for in this life and the next.