1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:08,400 From the time that they pronounced me deaf was a good 45 minutes. 2 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:13,440 They cut my clothes and then they paddled my heart, my heart had stopped. 3 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:18,120 And I could see people screaming and crying, but I didn't realize that was actually my 4 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:21,320 physical body because I was somewhere else. 5 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:27,400 The only thing that I could feel, if you could imagine, absolute love and peace, there wasn't 6 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:29,400 anything else to be felt. 7 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:32,560 I was greeted by people I'd known in the past. 8 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:34,160 I'm back home again. 9 00:00:34,160 --> 00:00:38,760 Incredibly safe and felt at home. 10 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:44,080 Welcome, welcome to Round Trip Death, everybody, and welcome to our special guest today, Randy 11 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:45,080 Schieffer. 12 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:46,080 Good morning, Randy. 13 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:47,080 Good morning. 14 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:48,080 How are you today, sir? 15 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:49,080 I'm great. 16 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:50,320 How's Florida today? 17 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:51,960 Florida is absolutely beautiful. 18 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:53,560 It's a beautiful spring day. 19 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:57,280 It's bright and sunny, about 70 degrees, low humidity. 20 00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:00,280 So just one of those days you want to get outside. 21 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:01,280 Perfect. 22 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:05,760 Well, I want to let our listeners know just a little bit of where we're going today up 23 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:06,760 front. 24 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:07,760 Sure. 25 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:13,240 We're going to be talking about your awesome NDE, but also the fact that you needed for 26 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:15,520 your own self-proof of things. 27 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:18,920 We're going to talk about how that worked for you. 28 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:25,200 And some things related to your NDE that came after that are really awesome and interesting. 29 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:28,080 But first, let's get to know you just a little bit. 30 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:29,080 Okay. 31 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:30,320 I already mentioned you live in Florida. 32 00:01:30,320 --> 00:01:31,320 What do you do there? 33 00:01:31,320 --> 00:01:32,320 Who's Randy? 34 00:01:32,320 --> 00:01:33,480 I am retired. 35 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:39,080 I've been retired for, well, I've tried to retire three times now, and my wife keeps 36 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:41,320 finding things for me to do. 37 00:01:41,320 --> 00:01:49,520 But we officially retired in 2017 and we're down here in Northern Florida, Northwest 38 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:52,320 Florida, about nine years now. 39 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:53,320 We live down here. 40 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:56,240 We moved down from Ohio, raised our kids in Ohio. 41 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:58,040 I got three girls. 42 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:02,000 Going back a little bit, I grew up in South Florida. 43 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:05,240 Parents moved down there when I was six years old. 44 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:11,240 So all my life is really down in the kind of Bocca Raton Del Rey Beach area. 45 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:13,760 So were you a big beach bum kid? 46 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:14,760 I was. 47 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:15,760 Yes. 48 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:20,320 I probably spent more time on the beach than I did sitting in a high school class. 49 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:26,440 But I managed to graduate, long story short, ended up getting my master's degree in forensic 50 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:27,800 science. 51 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:31,960 We were going back a little bit in time for you. 52 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:36,840 We were on a vacation in 1969. 53 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:41,800 Our family went up to New Jersey and my father died. 54 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:44,520 He passed away in my arms. 55 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:52,360 And I didn't realize until after my near death experience how that affected me for the rest 56 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:53,640 of my life. 57 00:02:53,640 --> 00:02:59,200 I became really intrigued at that time with death. 58 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:03,960 And then of course my sister passed at a younger sister. 59 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:09,000 And she passed at a very young age of stomach cancer. 60 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:11,680 And then of course my mother passed away. 61 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:15,760 So I always have been interested in death. 62 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:22,760 I joined the military in 1972 on a dare by three other guys that I was going to college 63 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:23,760 with. 64 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:24,760 Great friends. 65 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:25,760 Yeah. 66 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:26,760 Yeah. 67 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:29,480 Sitting in an English class of all things one day. 68 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:31,880 And he said, oh, I'm going down to the recruiter. 69 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:34,400 And I said, no, no one had anything to do with it. 70 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:36,400 No, come on, one, one. 71 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:42,800 One of them stayed for four years, another one stayed for 10 and I stayed for 20. 72 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:47,000 So I retired from the Air Force in 1992. 73 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:51,680 And I had gotten my master's degree while I was in the Air Force. 74 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:54,600 And I was in security police at the time. 75 00:03:54,600 --> 00:04:00,680 And when I got my master's degree, the Air Force Office of Special Investigations recruited 76 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:01,680 me. 77 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:04,280 And they kept me in to be an investigator. 78 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:12,480 OSI is a federally recognized criminal investigation branch in the Air Force who specialized in 79 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:14,040 all major crime. 80 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:19,040 There were a lot of intelligence work, a lot of espionage work. 81 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:23,880 And then there was a branch that I was in, which was the criminology side. 82 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:28,280 And I was investigator for them for about nine and a half years. 83 00:04:28,280 --> 00:04:31,040 So is this kind of like NCIS? 84 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:32,520 Very much like NCIS. 85 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:33,520 Just not as much drama. 86 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:34,520 OK, not as much. 87 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:36,240 Yeah, a lot of showmanship. 88 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:38,360 Well, it is a TV show. 89 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:39,360 True. 90 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:42,800 NCIS would be our equivalent. 91 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:44,000 They're federally recognized. 92 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:51,440 I did a lot of work with NCIS and the Army as CID, Criminal Investigative Division. 93 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:54,680 So we worked hand in hand with all of them. 94 00:04:54,680 --> 00:05:00,640 But because my specialty was in forensics, I did specialize in investigation of violent 95 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:09,040 crime, homicide, suicides, child abuse, things of that nature was my specialty. 96 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:14,080 They sent me on to the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology here in Washington, D.C. for 97 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:17,360 some advanced training in forensics. 98 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:22,560 Before I ended up in Germany, we stayed about four years in Germany, and we moved out to 99 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:23,880 Southern California. 100 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:28,360 And I did forensics work and ran a district. 101 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:33,960 So tell me how that background that you had in forensic science, et cetera, made it so 102 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:36,680 that you were someone that really needed proof of things. 103 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:41,120 You didn't just take people's word for stuff. 104 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:45,920 And then we're going to tie this in later on in this interview as well. 105 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:46,920 Sure. 106 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:48,880 That could say it started with my dad's death. 107 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:50,800 And I'll get to your point here. 108 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:54,520 But his death really intrigued me. 109 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:55,520 It hurt. 110 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:59,440 I was 16 years old when he died, massive heart attack. 111 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:01,440 I tried to save him and couldn't. 112 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:07,360 Of course, in 1969, CPR was just brand new. 113 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:12,840 I had read a book a little bit about what to do and how to do it, but never was real 114 00:06:12,840 --> 00:06:13,840 proficient. 115 00:06:13,840 --> 00:06:16,280 But I tried it and couldn't save him. 116 00:06:16,280 --> 00:06:17,760 And that guilt lived with me. 117 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:22,520 So I became very fascinated with death and what happens at death. 118 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:25,880 Now, the body decomposes. 119 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:31,040 So when I was offered the opportunity for the Master's degree in forensic science, I jumped 120 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:34,200 on it because death scared me. 121 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:37,000 I was afraid of my own death. 122 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:44,480 My vision was basically when you turn out the light, electricity goes off and we're 123 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:45,480 done. 124 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:46,480 Nothing else. 125 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:48,080 We're gone. 126 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:55,720 And because I lost my dad and my mom and my sister, that frightened me because I loved 127 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:57,880 my family to death. 128 00:06:57,880 --> 00:06:59,280 And I didn't want to lose that. 129 00:06:59,280 --> 00:07:00,600 I didn't want to lose my family. 130 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:01,600 I love life. 131 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:04,880 I didn't want to lose that feeling of life. 132 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:08,120 So I became very scared of my own death. 133 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:12,600 I could investigate death and I'd investigated hundreds. 134 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:18,120 And one of the things I got into after I retired from the state of Ohio is consulting. 135 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:26,160 I did a lot of consulting work on death investigations and again related shootings and all kinds 136 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:27,160 of things. 137 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:28,680 I could investigate a death. 138 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:35,440 I could help the family through and process a family member's death. 139 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:42,040 But boy, when I came to my own, I'd have absolutely panic attacks, full blown panic attacks, 140 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:46,240 screaming, waving my arms, just total loss of control. 141 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:48,240 I was that afraid. 142 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:51,800 And I felt that I was the only person that felt that way. 143 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:55,680 And I couldn't understand why nobody else felt that way. 144 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:57,280 I couldn't talk about it. 145 00:07:57,280 --> 00:08:03,000 Not until after my near death experience that my wife even knew that I even experienced 146 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:07,800 any of those traumatic panic attacks that I went through. 147 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:09,480 She didn't know anything about it. 148 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:12,760 After men are tougher than that, especially military. 149 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:13,760 Yeah. 150 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:14,760 Yeah. 151 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:15,760 I just don't talk to it. 152 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:16,760 You just don't address it. 153 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:19,000 So talk about the proof thing. 154 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:20,960 Why did you need proof of things? 155 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:21,960 Yeah. 156 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:26,080 Well, my world evolved around evidence. 157 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:29,720 As a criminal investigator, evidence was everything to me. 158 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:35,600 I had to prove beyond a doubt that an individual committed a crime. 159 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:37,160 I had to have the fingerprints. 160 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:39,160 I had to have the DNA. 161 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:41,960 I had to connect you back as a suspect. 162 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:46,120 I had to connect you back somehow to that crime scene. 163 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:48,000 So evidence was everything. 164 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:50,120 Proof was everything to me. 165 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:51,960 And my wife is Catholic. 166 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:57,800 My three girls were raised Catholic, went to Catholic school, attended Catholic church 167 00:08:57,800 --> 00:08:59,200 every Sunday. 168 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:01,680 I grew up as a loom friend. 169 00:09:01,680 --> 00:09:04,920 When my dad died, we kind of drifted away from the church. 170 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:12,840 When I got remarried, I found my way back, but there was something about being a criminal 171 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:20,160 investigator needing that proof, positive proof of evidence that I didn't hear in church. 172 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:22,520 I didn't hear any proof. 173 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:29,960 I heard words like, in hopes of rising again, in hope, just have faith. 174 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:31,200 Yeah. 175 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:32,200 Have faith. 176 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:35,640 Now, we have faith in a lot of things. 177 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:41,560 When I pull up to a traffic light and it turns green, I have faith everybody else is going 178 00:09:41,560 --> 00:09:45,160 to stop because I can see that. 179 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:51,040 I can see that people come up and stop at that red light to allow me to pass through. 180 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:54,680 So there's so many other things that I had proof. 181 00:09:54,680 --> 00:09:58,880 I had evidence of faith, but the church didn't give that to me. 182 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:07,760 I know there are stories in the Bible that people rely on to prove that God is real and 183 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:11,200 he died on the cross for us. 184 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:15,600 But again, to me, those are stories. 185 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:21,520 Because of all the investigations and all the interrogations that I have been through, 186 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:23,240 I know people can make up stories. 187 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:31,320 I didn't think they were lies, but none of those stories gave me the proof that I needed 188 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:37,240 that heaven was real, that there was life after death, and to my end, so yeah, I needed 189 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:38,240 that proof. 190 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:42,800 I needed that visible proof that life existed after death. 191 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:45,960 Well, let's jump forward now to 2020. 192 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:46,960 It didn't. 193 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:51,560 COVID is everywhere, and that's what hit you, isn't it? 194 00:10:51,560 --> 00:10:52,560 It did. 195 00:10:52,560 --> 00:10:58,960 I know about, oh, I'd say two weeks before I got sick with COVID, they came out with 196 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:01,120 a mask mandate. 197 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:07,480 And I remember, and my family, my three girls and their husbands, were all really close 198 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:08,480 yet family. 199 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:12,720 Matter of fact, two of my daughters live right here in Northwest Florida with us, and I have 200 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:15,040 another daughter in Tennessee. 201 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:18,400 But I remember making fun of COVID. 202 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:26,320 When I got a paper bag, I cut two eyes, a nose, and a mouth in the paper bag, and I 203 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:34,480 put the words, COVID mask, www.buyyourmasknow50. 204 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:39,960 And took a picture and posted it on our family page as a joke. 205 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:41,640 Here's my COVID mask. 206 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:46,720 I'm going to make a fortune selling paper bags, take a paper bag over your head. 207 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:48,400 So we had a good laugh at that. 208 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:56,000 But about a week later, I have no idea where I caught it, but I started not feeling well. 209 00:11:56,000 --> 00:12:03,080 My youngest daughter, Gerni and I were up at her property up here, about one of her properties 210 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:05,800 that she owns about 40 minutes away. 211 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:07,640 And she just had her tenant move out. 212 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:12,560 We were up just doing some painting and getting it ready to put back up on the market. 213 00:12:12,560 --> 00:12:16,920 And I told her, I said, I'm not feeling real well. 214 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:18,240 And she had mentioned the same thing. 215 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:20,000 She goes, yeah, either am I. 216 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:23,000 We had gone up for Greek food for lunch. 217 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:27,560 So it was like, maybe we ate something that just didn't sit with us. 218 00:12:27,560 --> 00:12:34,520 But as the afternoon progressed, we just started to get really tired and not feeling well, 219 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:36,160 feeling nauseous, lightheaded. 220 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:39,120 So we packed things up and came home. 221 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:45,280 By the time we got back to the house, I was just absolutely exhausted, went straight to 222 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:51,880 bed, got up the next morning, didn't feel well well again, kind of laid around. 223 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:54,600 It was like a Friday afternoon. 224 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:59,520 And then my wife started hounding me, you know, go to the doctor, go to the doctor, get 225 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:00,520 checked out. 226 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:03,360 And I said, no, I bet you I just have the flu. 227 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:05,520 You know, I'm not feeling good because of the flu. 228 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:10,560 I'm sure that it will, it will pass and will be okay. 229 00:13:10,560 --> 00:13:15,560 So she made me promise Monday was, was March 23rd. 230 00:13:15,560 --> 00:13:20,600 And she made me promise if I didn't feel better by Monday, that I'd go to the doctor. 231 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:21,600 So I did. 232 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:23,680 I wasn't feeling any better. 233 00:13:23,680 --> 00:13:27,280 Made an appointment, went down to see my primary care. 234 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:29,560 And he said, oh, you have the flu. 235 00:13:29,560 --> 00:13:34,480 It's going around, you know, and I told him, he said, doctor, I'm tired, don't feel good, 236 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:39,840 I'm nauseous, I got a headache, you know, no, no, it's the flu. 237 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:42,600 And I said, this doesn't feel like the flu. 238 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:45,400 I said, could I get tested for this COVID? 239 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:47,240 You don't have COVID. 240 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:48,880 He said, have you traveled? 241 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:49,880 No. 242 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:53,400 You know, there's five questions they ask him, you've been around somebody. 243 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:56,840 Yeah, this was so, March was so early on. 244 00:13:56,840 --> 00:13:57,840 Yeah. 245 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:01,480 Did they even have a regular test that early? 246 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:05,040 They did, but they were using them very sparingly. 247 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:06,040 They wouldn't. 248 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:07,840 It wasn't a common thing. 249 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:08,840 No. 250 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:12,600 Unless you met certain criteria, you know, they wouldn't test you. 251 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:17,680 So he says, you have the flu, go home, come back in a week if you don't feel better. 252 00:14:17,680 --> 00:14:23,680 So Wednesday the 25th, yeah, it would have been the 25th. 253 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:26,720 I was really sick. 254 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:33,360 And I went back to the doctor and I saw a physician assistant and I came in and he says, you were 255 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:34,920 just here on Monday. 256 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:37,520 I said, yeah, I said, I'm sick. 257 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:39,240 I said, I don't know what I have. 258 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:40,240 You have the flu. 259 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:42,080 I said, I don't have the flu. 260 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:44,080 We went through that whole gambit again. 261 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:45,080 Okay. 262 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:46,800 You have the flu, go home, rest. 263 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:48,160 Can I get tested for COVID? 264 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:49,160 Nope. 265 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:50,720 We're not going to test you for COVID. 266 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:52,600 So I went home. 267 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:55,360 I came home and I called the wife and the family. 268 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:58,440 They tell me I have the flu just to rest. 269 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:06,680 That Thursday the 26th, my wife went up with my daughter to their house because they had 270 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:09,000 a tenant that wanted to see the house. 271 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:14,160 So she went up there and my oldest daughter came by the house to check on me just to see 272 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:15,920 how I was doing. 273 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:23,680 Now my youngest daughter is a nurse and my oldest called her and said, dad looks bad. 274 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:25,400 He looks gray. 275 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:27,120 He is really sick. 276 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:29,320 So she said, well, get him to the emergency room. 277 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:31,600 Of course, I refused to go. 278 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:33,880 Now I'm not going to emergency room. 279 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:34,880 Wow. 280 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:35,880 I'm going to. 281 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:36,880 She says, nope. 282 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:37,880 She says, dad, you're going. 283 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:39,080 She's either will call 911. 284 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:42,800 You go by ambulance so you can get in the car and we'll go. 285 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:46,360 I agreed and she took me down. 286 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:50,160 She dropped me off at the entrance and said, look, I'm going to go park the car. 287 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:52,960 I'll come in and meet up with you. 288 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:58,480 So I went in and I remember walking up to the receptionist that I just could barely, 289 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:02,160 I mean, I was barely able to get in there. 290 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:04,400 And I said, I'm sick. 291 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:06,360 You've got to help me. 292 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:08,520 And they took me back very, very quickly. 293 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:13,440 They took me into the back and immediately into an isolation room. 294 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:16,080 They did have those set up at the time. 295 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:22,680 I remember before they took me back, my daughter came to the door of the hospital and he wouldn't 296 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:24,680 allow her in. 297 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:28,320 They stopped her right at the door and said, no, I just, you know, we can't let you in 298 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:30,480 the hospital because of COVID. 299 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:32,240 And she yelled at me. 300 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:34,600 She says, dad, text me when you're done. 301 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:37,240 She says, I'll be waiting for you in the car. 302 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:39,240 And I said, okay, hon, I love you. 303 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:41,120 I'll see you in a little bit. 304 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:45,160 And that would be the last family member I saw for six weeks. 305 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:46,160 Wow. 306 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:52,200 I've had some other people on the show that had COVID back around that same time. 307 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:56,400 And your story is kind of typical. 308 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:58,520 This was like something that happened to other people. 309 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:03,320 Are you traveled internationally or from China or something like that? 310 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:06,760 But I'm glad they took you in that quickly. 311 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:12,000 One other person that I can think of that I interviewed said he walked in, did the same 312 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:18,200 thing and then was like, and they were like, oh, well, yeah, just go wait over there. 313 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:20,960 You know, we'll go wait for a few hours. 314 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:24,440 He passed out right on the floor just out. 315 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:27,520 So that's how he got back in quickly. 316 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:28,520 Yeah. 317 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:31,680 Anyway, they were more sensitive to it where you were, I guess. 318 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:33,480 So that's good. 319 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:34,480 Yeah. 320 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:37,240 Well, maybe it was a smaller hospital. 321 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:40,400 Maybe because of the way I looked, I don't know. 322 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:50,360 But my blood oxygen level was down in the very low 80s, even the high 70s was that low. 323 00:17:50,360 --> 00:17:56,000 And they were very quickly to tell me that I had bilaterals, I took X-rays, I had bilateral 324 00:17:56,000 --> 00:18:03,520 pneumonia and that they're going to admit me right away into the hospital. 325 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:06,720 And the doctor couldn't tell me for sure. 326 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:09,920 He says, but I'm almost positive. 327 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:11,520 He said that you do have COVID. 328 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:16,880 He said because your lungs are full of the glass, you know, that glass crystallization 329 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:20,640 that hit the lungs and he says, you have that. 330 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:24,600 He says, so we're really sure that you have COVID. 331 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:28,360 So they took me up onto the ward isolation room again. 332 00:18:28,360 --> 00:18:30,840 I was by myself. 333 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:35,960 Everybody wore the big masks and gowns and hats and everything, you know. 334 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:39,600 And that was on the 26th of March. 335 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:48,000 Within 48 hours, I remember a doctor coming in and saying, Mr. Schieffer, you're not 336 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:49,120 breathing real well. 337 00:18:49,120 --> 00:18:53,360 We need a stick of tube down your throat to help you breathe. 338 00:18:53,360 --> 00:19:00,360 And I remember saying, okay, back of my mind, and he said, we have to sedate you to do it. 339 00:19:00,360 --> 00:19:05,480 So in the back of my mind, I've had surgeries before, they're going to sedate me and, you 340 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:07,600 know, I'll be away. 341 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:12,120 I didn't wake up for more weeks later. 342 00:19:12,120 --> 00:19:17,520 So they put me in a medically induced coma, put me on the ventilator, and I maxed out 343 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:20,000 the ventilator pretty quick. 344 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:22,920 I couldn't go any higher on the ventilator. 345 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:25,720 That was on the 29th of March. 346 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:33,520 On the 30th of March, the air lifted me from our local hospital over to a much larger hospital 347 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:40,240 in Pensacola, and I went from the helicopter right into surgery, and they put me on to 348 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:42,120 an ECMO machine. 349 00:19:42,120 --> 00:19:47,520 ECMO is basically a heart-long bypass machine. 350 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:54,200 Extra corporal membrane oxygenation is the big term for it. 351 00:19:54,200 --> 00:20:01,280 But basically, they have the ability to allow it to breathe for you or just pump your heart 352 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:03,400 or it can do both. 353 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:05,760 And eventually, I needed both. 354 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:07,840 So I was in total life support. 355 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:08,840 Yeah. 356 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:10,920 You were very, very, very ill. 357 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:11,920 Yeah. 358 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:19,000 They had told my family that I had about a 3% chance of living and that they should probably 359 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:22,480 prepare for my demise. 360 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:23,920 That's how bad that I was. 361 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:27,320 They didn't expect me to make it at all. 362 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:29,720 And I went to kidney failure. 363 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:30,720 So I went on dialysis. 364 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:33,600 One of my lungs collapsed. 365 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:36,120 I was bleeding internally. 366 00:20:36,120 --> 00:20:38,760 So I was receiving units of blood. 367 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:40,480 I was throwing blood clots. 368 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:43,680 My liver enlarged and was throwing blood clots. 369 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:47,760 So practically, every organ that I had was failing. 370 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:49,440 That's what COVA did. 371 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:51,680 Everything would eventually shut down. 372 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:56,040 At what point during all of this, you had a four-week coma and another couple of weeks 373 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:57,640 in the hospital. 374 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:03,760 At what point did you feel like you faced some kind of death or out-of-body experience? 375 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:05,760 Tell us about that now. 376 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:06,760 Yeah. 377 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:11,080 Well, it had to be between March 29th and April the 10th. 378 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:13,600 I can't tell you, obviously, exactly when. 379 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:18,320 But that's the time period that I was the sickest, that I was the worst. 380 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:22,120 So I have a feeling it was during that time. 381 00:21:22,120 --> 00:21:29,920 Because on April the 10th, I was the first person in Northwest Florida to receive convalescent 382 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:31,240 plasma. 383 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:34,600 And I started to get better after that point. 384 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:39,680 So it was that time frame that I vividly remember. 385 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:41,920 And I had dreams. 386 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:44,640 And I had hallucinations. 387 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:50,480 And I can tell the difference between the three experiences that I had. 388 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:54,360 Because I remember my consciousness awoke. 389 00:21:54,360 --> 00:21:58,040 And it was just like I'm talking to you right now. 390 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:00,320 And I remember being in a tunnel. 391 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:02,840 Well, I didn't know it was a tunnel at the time. 392 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:09,880 When I first came out of the hospital, I was explaining it to people like an airplane fuselage. 393 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:13,480 That was the only reference that I had at the time. 394 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:18,320 But I remember, and I remember that I said to myself, you're dead. 395 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:20,560 You died. 396 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:22,440 But where are you? 397 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:23,440 Where am I going? 398 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:29,960 I remember moving through this tunnel, moving away, moving down this tunnel. 399 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:32,120 And it was dark. 400 00:22:32,120 --> 00:22:42,800 But yet I just knew I could feel a tremendous light that encompassed that tunnel. 401 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:48,440 As I passed through, it was almost like these little windows that I would pass that I could 402 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:50,560 see this light outside. 403 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:52,680 And I could feel it was warm. 404 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:55,040 I felt very warm. 405 00:22:55,040 --> 00:23:02,280 And I was for a person that feared death as badly as I did, I was in such peace. 406 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:07,040 No panic, no stress, no freaking out. 407 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:08,800 But yet I knew I died. 408 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:13,960 And I came to the end of the tunnel. 409 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:17,360 Now I cannot tell you what sequence of events this was either. 410 00:23:17,360 --> 00:23:23,600 I don't know which story that I'm about to go into came first, second, or third. 411 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:30,520 But when I came out of the tunnel, I was in this beautiful room, absolutely gorgeous 412 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:31,520 hall. 413 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:37,800 And I was standing on a mezzanine overlooking this hall. 414 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:39,920 And the tall was very tall. 415 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:44,520 And it had the rib-vaulted ceilings. 416 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:49,520 I remember like three, three or four vaults that I could see up on the ceilings. 417 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:51,920 And there was water fixtures. 418 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:57,120 And the walls were lined with beautiful stained glass windows. 419 00:23:57,120 --> 00:24:01,800 And down on the floor, I remember seeing at least three archways. 420 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:09,960 Now archways were just covered with gold and the walls were, was just a glowing gold. 421 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:14,640 There's a huge chandelier hanging down from the ceiling. 422 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:20,600 And I'm sitting there and I'm very calm, very peaceful, just admiring the beauty of this 423 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:21,600 room. 424 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:25,320 And I felt the presence of someone. 425 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:27,440 Someone was with me. 426 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:28,440 Could not see them. 427 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:34,640 I couldn't tell you what they looked like, but I knew somebody was standing next to me. 428 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:42,040 And almost telepathically, it was like turn around. 429 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:46,800 And I turned and there was an individual walking toward us. 430 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:49,200 Middle-aged man, dark hair, long. 431 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:53,520 I believe he had a beard and he had like a dark robe on. 432 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:59,200 And I don't remember any legs or anything, but I remember a dark robe with a dark colored 433 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:00,200 sash. 434 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:06,040 And he came up to me and I remember talking with him. 435 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:09,240 And I said, this room is absolutely magnificent. 436 00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:10,800 It's beautiful. 437 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:11,800 And he goes, yes. 438 00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:15,360 He said, this is one of our most popular rooms. 439 00:25:15,360 --> 00:25:17,480 And he says, it's very busy. 440 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:20,280 I felt the commotion on the floor. 441 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:23,000 Like I said, I was on a mezzanine looking down. 442 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:26,200 And I could feel the commotion that was going on on the floor. 443 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:28,280 But I had no idea what people were doing. 444 00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:33,200 And there were some beautiful gold tables down there. 445 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,360 But I had no idea what they're doing. 446 00:25:35,360 --> 00:25:40,240 But eventually he said to me, he said, but you don't belong here. 447 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:41,400 You have to leave. 448 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:49,000 And he pointed to some big, beautiful oak doors that was some feet away. 449 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:58,640 And this presence of mine walked with me to these oak doors, beautiful hand carved, tall, 450 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,080 magnificent oak doors. 451 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:04,040 And I remember pushing them open. 452 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:08,800 And I was probably about three or four steps down to a sidewalk. 453 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:15,680 But when they opened up, I was in a grand city, absolutely beautiful city. 454 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,680 Can I just interject a couple of questions at this point? 455 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:19,680 Yeah. 456 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:25,000 So if this were something that happened here in this world, and you're in this beautiful 457 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:28,720 place and somebody comes up to you and says, you don't belong here. 458 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:30,520 You have to go. 459 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:32,680 You'd feel pretty dejected. 460 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:34,040 Is that how you felt there? 461 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:35,040 Or was it different? 462 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:36,520 No, it was just different. 463 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:42,280 I didn't, at that time, I really didn't, I didn't have emotions. 464 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:43,280 That makes sense. 465 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:44,280 Yes. 466 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:47,400 But you said you were feeling peace and calm. 467 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:51,000 I didn't feel like, why do I have to go? 468 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:52,200 Okay. 469 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:55,760 But I didn't feel, well, why do I have to leave? 470 00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:57,280 I didn't question. 471 00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:01,560 There was no negative resentment or anything like that towards the direction. 472 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,000 It was very matter of fact, it sounds like. 473 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:05,000 Like, okay. 474 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:06,000 Yeah. 475 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:11,120 I think it was the authority figure that I probably perceived him as. 476 00:27:11,120 --> 00:27:12,600 You have to go. 477 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,240 My guide took me that way. 478 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:16,880 So I just followed. 479 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:17,880 Okay. 480 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:22,080 So you go through the big oak doors and then tell me what you see. 481 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:23,280 Magnificent city, beautiful. 482 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:27,680 The skyscrapers were just as high as you could see them. 483 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:31,960 No traffic, no cars, no buses, nothing. 484 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:41,440 And I started to walk the roads, if you will, were an opaque, well, yeah, opaque in color. 485 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:45,320 They were like a beautiful pearl color roads. 486 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:50,080 These skyscrapers were just so tall and they were gold. 487 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:55,840 They were golden skyscrapers that just reached in the sky as far as you could see. 488 00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:58,840 Their windows were the same in color as the street. 489 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:07,160 I remember passing parks, beautiful green, well-manicured parks with trees and flowers. 490 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:13,520 And often the distance, there were some children playing in this park. 491 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:18,280 And I kept walking through these streets just in awe of this beautiful city. 492 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:26,600 And I got to a point where I felt scared because I suddenly realized that I was lost. 493 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:28,720 So the guide wasn't with you anymore? 494 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:29,720 He left. 495 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:31,600 Yes, I'm sorry, he left. 496 00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:33,520 I felt alone at that time. 497 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:35,320 I know he wasn't with me. 498 00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:37,040 And I knew I was lost. 499 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:43,480 And I remember thinking, you died, but how do I get back? 500 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:47,800 I don't know how to get back. 501 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,520 And I got scared. 502 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:51,760 And I got very emotional. 503 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:52,840 I remember crying. 504 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:56,640 I remember yelling out to people to help me. 505 00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,680 I couldn't see anyone. 506 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,120 But again, I felt people. 507 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:05,960 And I couldn't understand why they weren't stopping to help me. 508 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:11,240 I sat down on what I believed to be was like a curb. 509 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:13,640 And I sat down and I remember crying. 510 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:19,440 And I was still looking wet, I guess from crying. 511 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,120 I was just absolutely soaking wet. 512 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:23,560 And I became very cold. 513 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:26,600 And screaming out, I'm lost. 514 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:27,680 Someone, please help me. 515 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:28,680 I'm lost. 516 00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:31,880 And I remember looking over my shoulder. 517 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:36,520 For some reason I turned and I looked over my shoulder, my right shoulder. 518 00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:44,600 And all the way up, as far as you could see into the skies, was this beautiful white staircase. 519 00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,680 It just went up into the clouds. 520 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:54,480 I remember saying, if I can get to that staircase, maybe someone can find me. 521 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:58,320 So I remember moving over to the staircase. 522 00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:00,120 And I can't tell you if I was walking. 523 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,480 I can't tell you if I was crawling. 524 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,040 But I remember moving up the staircase. 525 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,640 I have no clue how high I got. 526 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:14,000 But suddenly I heard a voice and he said, there's Randy. 527 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:15,840 Get him. 528 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:21,760 And it was like, here I go, somebody grabbed me by my shirt collar and whisked me off of 529 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:23,480 those steps. 530 00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:26,760 And I just remember everything going dark. 531 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,000 I was out of that situation. 532 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,840 That area that I was in no longer existed. 533 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:33,000 Everything went black. 534 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:38,480 No consciousness, I was gone until my consciousness awoke. 535 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:42,160 So would you assume that you were back in your body at that point? 536 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:45,240 You just weren't away from the coma? 537 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:49,280 You know, I have to, yeah, from the coma. 538 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:52,080 Because it was just, I was just, that ended. 539 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:53,400 It was just gone. 540 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:59,920 But when my consciousness awoke again, I was back in that city. 541 00:30:59,920 --> 00:31:02,960 But I was in a different section of the city. 542 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:04,760 Different beautiful buildings. 543 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:08,960 Did you still feel lost and scared or was it more comfortable this time? 544 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:12,720 It was more comfortable because I said, I know where those steps are. 545 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:17,560 Now, if I can make my way back to those steps, I can be found. 546 00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:19,480 So I did just that. 547 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:23,320 I moved through the city and I made it back to those steps. 548 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:25,960 And I started to go up the steps again. 549 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:27,920 And I heard the same voice. 550 00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:29,480 There's Randy. 551 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:36,520 I turned, I turned this time because one of the things that I was moving through the city, 552 00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:38,760 I remember, who grabbed me? 553 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:40,960 Who was that to grab me? 554 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:42,880 Why did they grab me? 555 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:53,400 So I turned and there was a older gentleman, white hair, a white beard, beautiful white 556 00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:57,760 gown on with a, with a, I remember the sash was white. 557 00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:00,480 Oh, it was just so brilliant. 558 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:01,680 It really stood out. 559 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:08,600 He used the man that grabbed me because he grabbed me again and pulled me off those steps 560 00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:10,240 and everything went black. 561 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:11,240 I was gone. 562 00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:12,240 Okay. 563 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:13,440 What do you make of that? 564 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:17,320 Were you not allowed to go up the steps for some reason? 565 00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:22,280 I think they knew I wasn't supposed to be there. 566 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:24,480 They knew I wasn't going to die. 567 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:26,080 It wasn't my time. 568 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:32,800 Evidently, I have a pretty per-sincent soul who just wanted to go back. 569 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:37,920 Well, I'm going to say one other thing and I have never said this phrase before. 570 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:41,240 I think your escort was really slack in that day. 571 00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:42,240 I think. 572 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:47,480 I hope he didn't get fired, but reported at least. 573 00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:48,480 Yeah. 574 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:49,480 I did. 575 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:54,040 You know, the second time I was in that city, I didn't feel him or whoever it was. 576 00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:55,040 Again. 577 00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:56,560 I was alone. 578 00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:57,560 Yeah. 579 00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:00,200 Slack it a little bit. 580 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,120 He came back a third time. 581 00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:03,120 Okay. 582 00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:04,560 I better let you keep going. 583 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:05,560 Yeah. 584 00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:07,960 He came back another time, but I was gone. 585 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:12,600 I was out of the city and I went blank again. 586 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:18,680 Like I said, I've had a lot of people who said, well, how can you tell the difference between 587 00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:25,320 what I experienced there and my dreams or a hallucination? 588 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:29,680 And I said, my hallucinations were silly. 589 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:36,080 I remember opening my eyes knowing that I had died because I said to myself, okay, you're 590 00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:37,320 dead. 591 00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:45,440 And if I died, I must be in hell because I saw flashing bolts of light. 592 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:52,480 And then when I would open my eyes, there were nine dancing panda bears on the ceiling 593 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:54,160 of my room. 594 00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:57,880 And they were dancing to this God awful music. 595 00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,680 I couldn't even tell you what it was. 596 00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:06,160 But when I would close my eyes, I would see these flash of lightning bolts again. 597 00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:07,160 Wow. 598 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,560 And I, yeah, that sounds a little drug induced or something. 599 00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:11,560 Yeah. 600 00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:12,560 Yeah. 601 00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:18,280 And I didn't know he was a doctor of mine until afterwards, but one of my doctors or 602 00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:26,720 this man that I got very angry with, playing with my dogs across the hallway in a birthing 603 00:34:26,720 --> 00:34:28,640 pool. 604 00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:30,760 And he was playing with my dogs in this birthing pool. 605 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:34,840 And I was pissed that he had my dogs and he was playing with them in this birthing pool 606 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:36,960 that I could not get to. 607 00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:41,120 So everything, they were just silly hallucinations like that. 608 00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:44,280 And my dreams were not as vivid. 609 00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:46,960 They didn't seem as real. 610 00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:53,600 They were very broken into different segments, little bits and pieces that just didn't make 611 00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:54,600 sense. 612 00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:58,320 So I knew I was, and path towards, I just knew that these were dreams. 613 00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:06,080 But then I had this other area that was so real and so vivid and so colorful that I wouldn't 614 00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:09,200 sure exactly what I experienced. 615 00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:14,040 Well I appreciate your explanation because I often ask people, how do you know this wasn't 616 00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:19,320 a dream or some other kind of hallucination? 617 00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:24,600 And most people, the only thing, the way they can explain it to me is it was more real than 618 00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,120 real or something like that. 619 00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:30,520 So I appreciate you having a little more detail on that. 620 00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:31,520 Yeah. 621 00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:32,520 Okay. 622 00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:34,440 So you've been to this city twice now. 623 00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:35,560 You did correct. 624 00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:42,600 Just a second ago, mention the guide having another opportunity. 625 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:48,560 You know, I wonder if he earned his wings, you know, and I wonder if he ever earned his 626 00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:49,560 wings. 627 00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:50,560 I don't know. 628 00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:51,960 I didn't hear any bells going off. 629 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:56,760 But let me tell you, before I get into my guide returning, I remember my consciousness 630 00:35:56,760 --> 00:36:07,360 awaking and I was on a pathway, dirt pathway, and a log side made was the most beautiful 631 00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:10,360 area that I have ever seen in my life. 632 00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:17,600 The trees and the flowers were of colors that you can't even describe. 633 00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:22,560 And they were so vivid, it was almost like they were alive. 634 00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:31,680 And the meadows that lied past the trees was just a magnificent green. 635 00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:36,480 And I've been to the highlands of Scotland and I've been to Ireland and I've seen some 636 00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:45,200 magnificent, beautiful green grass, but it didn't hold anything to what I saw up in 637 00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:46,200 heaven. 638 00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:47,680 It was absolutely beautiful. 639 00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:53,400 And I've been walking down this path again knowing that I died and suddenly this little 640 00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:54,760 boy appears. 641 00:36:54,760 --> 00:37:01,000 Maybe 10 years old, very animated. 642 00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:08,080 He had dark hair, the bull haircut, remember the old bull haircut, no shirt on, olive 643 00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:11,040 skin, no shoes, he was barefoot. 644 00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:14,600 And he had a three-quarter length shorts on. 645 00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:16,520 And he was very animated. 646 00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:21,360 Follow me, follow me, follow me, his other arms are just a-waiving. 647 00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:23,000 So I followed him. 648 00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:30,240 We go down the path and he takes me, suddenly we come across this beautiful building and 649 00:37:30,240 --> 00:37:34,200 we go inside and he says, you wait in here. 650 00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:40,560 And he put me into this room and the room had this beautiful artwork on it. 651 00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:48,920 The pedestal chairs were in the center of the room and a big picture window was on the 652 00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:52,600 side and remember looking out the picture window. 653 00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:59,640 And the river that I saw previously ran underneath this room and this river meandered off into 654 00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:01,840 the distance through that grass meadow. 655 00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:07,880 And remember seeing people in the water, not playing or frolicking, but they were on the 656 00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:15,640 sides very peacefully talking on the sides and the banks of this river. 657 00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:20,240 I have no idea how long I was there or how long I waited. 658 00:38:20,240 --> 00:38:25,920 But eventually this little boy comes back into the room and he says to me, I'm sorry, 659 00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:29,120 you have to leave. 660 00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:33,440 And I remember looking and saying, but I don't want to leave. 661 00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:40,640 I said, I feel so at home and so at peace and felt, feel so loved. 662 00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:41,960 I said, I don't want to leave. 663 00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:44,600 He goes, no, you have to leave. 664 00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:47,320 Your room isn't ready. 665 00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:55,160 And with that, I was gone back in my dark sedated world and so that was the third experience. 666 00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:57,840 Okay, keep going. 667 00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:04,720 And it suddenly, yeah, when my consciousness awoke, I was back in that tunnel, but I was 668 00:39:04,720 --> 00:39:07,440 at the very end of the tunnel. 669 00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:11,640 And I remember coming out and I was in a void, a dark void. 670 00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:13,440 My guide showed up. 671 00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:15,280 He's making a comeback. 672 00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:17,040 He was there. 673 00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:18,680 He was there. 674 00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:20,560 He was with me. 675 00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:27,820 And I remember standing in this void and he indicates, I need you to follow him. 676 00:39:27,820 --> 00:39:37,440 So I started to follow him deeper into the void and you've been to the theater and you're 677 00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:41,440 sitting in the audience and there's a dark stage in front of you. 678 00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:46,280 And then suddenly a little light comes on and the light gets brighter and brighter and 679 00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:47,280 brighter. 680 00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:53,440 And you see the actress or actor standing there, you know, underneath this bright light. 681 00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:54,440 And that's what happened. 682 00:39:54,440 --> 00:40:00,080 We started to walk through this void, this light started to come on and it got brighter 683 00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:03,920 and brighter and we got closer and closer. 684 00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:10,320 Suddenly my mother-in-law, my deceased mother-in-law was right next to me, standing right next 685 00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:11,960 to me. 686 00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:17,080 And I described her to my wife in detail. 687 00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:20,400 Younger lady, I would say in her 30s. 688 00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:22,560 She had beautiful long hair in life. 689 00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:27,920 Her hair was all pulled up with beautiful ribbon around the top of her hair. 690 00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:33,480 She had this beautiful white gown on and she was sitting in a chair and she was sitting 691 00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:41,120 very royally, I say, very upright, you know, very proud. 692 00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:51,600 She had her hand out on the armrest and she only looked at me very briefly. 693 00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:56,760 Because I was crying out to her, Dolores, Dolores, it's me, Randy, Randy, I'm here, 694 00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:57,760 I'm here, here. 695 00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:03,720 And she looked away and she wouldn't acknowledge my presence. 696 00:41:03,720 --> 00:41:07,360 And my guide said, we need to move on. 697 00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:15,320 We moved deeper and as we moved deeper into this void, the light that shined over my mother-in-law 698 00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:20,000 just got weaker and weaker until she completely disappeared. 699 00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:27,480 And as that would turn off, there was another light that turned on in the distance, very 700 00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:29,560 far away. 701 00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:37,640 But as that light got brighter, I knew, I knew in a second that it was my dad, my mom, 702 00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:39,360 and my sister knew it. 703 00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:41,360 That is awesome. 704 00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:42,360 How did that feel? 705 00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:46,440 Oh my God, I was screaming at the top of my lungs. 706 00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:50,760 My dad and I were very close, something I didn't go into earlier, but he and I were 707 00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:51,760 really close. 708 00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:57,720 I used my Little League Baseball coach on Saturdays, I'd go to work with him, you know, 709 00:41:57,720 --> 00:42:02,240 so it was a tremendous loss when he did die. 710 00:42:02,240 --> 00:42:03,600 And I was so excited. 711 00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:11,480 I was screaming out, dad, mom, Gina, it's me, I'm here, I'm here. 712 00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:20,480 When I felt there was some type of barrier, invisible barrier between me and them, by this 713 00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:22,760 time we had stopped moving. 714 00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:27,040 And there was some type of barrier that I had come up on. 715 00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:32,080 And I felt its presence and I felt that I just couldn't go through that barrier. 716 00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:38,040 And they didn't acknowledge me because I don't think they wanted me to move past that barrier. 717 00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:45,160 And I remember yelling at them and just so happy to see them. 718 00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:51,120 Something up in heaven as well is that you have the presence of what's going on around 719 00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:54,960 you for 360 degrees. 720 00:42:54,960 --> 00:43:00,360 And at that time there was orbs of light that was passing by me. 721 00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:07,400 Off the distance, back behind me, off to my right, whatever reason this one orb of light 722 00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:09,640 got my attention. 723 00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:13,360 And he was moving up very quickly. 724 00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:18,040 And this light got closer and closer and you know, it's the size of maybe of a bowling 725 00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:19,040 ball. 726 00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:23,160 And it came up and it stopped right in front of me. 727 00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:27,320 And a face materialized for just an instant. 728 00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:36,120 His face tells me, says to me, tell Madison at the salon, your grandfather's okay. 729 00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:43,560 Now I'm a veteran and the word veteran resonated with me. 730 00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:45,200 I felt the word. 731 00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:47,320 I felt it penetrate me. 732 00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:51,840 I heard it being repeated veteran, veteran, veteran. 733 00:43:51,840 --> 00:44:02,640 This orb of light moved on to a white porch and he was making or he showed me red, white 734 00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:06,760 and blue ribbons in American flags. 735 00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:11,720 And suddenly my guide says you have to leave. 736 00:44:11,720 --> 00:44:13,720 And I was gone. 737 00:44:13,720 --> 00:44:15,400 That was the end up. 738 00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:17,440 That was the last time. 739 00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:20,080 That was the last time that you went off into this realm. 740 00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:22,960 Again, I don't know the sequencing. 741 00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:27,320 But that's the end of my, yeah, the four times that I... 742 00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:32,440 If there's not time there, then the sequence, there's not really a sequence anyway. 743 00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:34,080 So that's okay. 744 00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:35,080 True. 745 00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:38,360 We're going to tie a bunch of this stuff back in in a minute. 746 00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:41,040 But tell us quickly, how did you get better? 747 00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:42,880 How long did that take? 748 00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:45,240 You mentioned you had started getting the plasma. 749 00:44:45,240 --> 00:44:49,560 Yes, April the 10th, which happened to be a good Friday that year. 750 00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:52,560 And that made all the difference in your recovery. 751 00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:53,560 Yeah. 752 00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:58,680 The hospital wasn't going to initially give it to me because it was... 753 00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:01,160 Oh, it was experimental back then. 754 00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:03,160 Experimental, exactly. 755 00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:05,920 And the hospital I was not a teaching hospital. 756 00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:09,000 They weren't an experimental hospital. 757 00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:10,680 They just didn't do things like that. 758 00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:13,560 But my daughter is a nurse. 759 00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:14,560 Excuse me. 760 00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:16,800 She became my advocate. 761 00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:23,280 And she did advocate with them, all the way up to the CEO of the hospital. 762 00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:24,280 And they... 763 00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:29,680 The family, because my wife designated her as a family spokesperson. 764 00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:32,720 I had one daughter who did the medical. 765 00:45:32,720 --> 00:45:36,640 I had another daughter who did a lot on social media to get... 766 00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:38,200 Find me a donor. 767 00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:40,720 That's a whole nother, separate story. 768 00:45:40,720 --> 00:45:43,840 And my third daughter, my oldest daughter was in charge of prayer. 769 00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:47,560 She formed a prayer chain from around the world. 770 00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:49,560 I had people praying for me. 771 00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:52,840 So I do believe in the power of prayer now as well. 772 00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:57,360 So yeah, they gave me the converalist plasma on Good Friday. 773 00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:04,360 By Easter morning, my lungs had cleared and started functioning again. 774 00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:07,720 That they actually could turn off the ECMO machine. 775 00:46:07,720 --> 00:46:09,560 My heart returned to normal. 776 00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:12,160 It started pumping adequately. 777 00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:16,240 And they were able to actually turn off the ECMO machine. 778 00:46:16,240 --> 00:46:22,160 By that Tuesday of that week, my kidneys were functioning and I came off dialysis. 779 00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:24,960 I had stopped bleeding internally. 780 00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:29,440 And by later in that week, I think it was like that Thursday or Friday, they started 781 00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:31,240 to wake me up. 782 00:46:31,240 --> 00:46:33,120 They started to bring me out of the coma. 783 00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:35,400 They took the breathing tube out at some point. 784 00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:37,640 Yeah, they took the breathing tube out. 785 00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:42,960 Although I had to get re-inturbated because I did have a relapse. 786 00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:48,320 They re-inturbated me and I was on that for another week and then I came off of it. 787 00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:53,440 Yeah, they discharged me from the hospital on May, May the 8th. 788 00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:56,200 That was from the end of March till the 8th of May. 789 00:46:56,200 --> 00:47:09,080 I remember coming fully awake and processing everything going through my mind because somehow 790 00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:15,160 my daughter, my youngest daughter, the nurse was allowed in to see me that last week that 791 00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:17,760 I was in the hospital. 792 00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:22,760 And before she got there, I was kind of processing what had happened to me. 793 00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:26,080 I wasn't really sure what I experienced. 794 00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:30,600 Obviously, I didn't know right away all their near-death experiences and the meaning of all 795 00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:32,400 of this. 796 00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:39,480 And I had mentioned to one of the nurses that I had this message. 797 00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:43,760 I said, I had to, where does this experience? 798 00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:48,520 I said, some guy gave me a message for his granddaughter and she kind of looked at me 799 00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:50,360 and she says, what? 800 00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:53,040 So you didn't know Madison anywhere, right? 801 00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:55,080 No, I didn't know Madison. 802 00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:57,480 No, I didn't know who Madison was. 803 00:47:57,480 --> 00:47:59,480 And she kind of gave me a funny look. 804 00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:05,720 I said, yeah, I was in this dark area and this guy comes up and he gives me a message 805 00:48:05,720 --> 00:48:09,240 and she turned around and walks out of the room. 806 00:48:09,240 --> 00:48:12,800 I don't know when, but I remember one of the doctors coming in. 807 00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:17,160 And he examined me and I said, Doc, I had some strange things. 808 00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:20,560 I said, I had dainting panda bears. 809 00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:27,080 And I said, I remember, I said I was somewhere in a beautiful city and this little boy tells 810 00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:29,560 me it wasn't my time that I had to come back. 811 00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:34,240 And I mentioned Madison a little bit and he says, well, yeah, you are on some pretty 812 00:48:34,240 --> 00:48:36,760 heavy drugs around the world. 813 00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:39,120 Which makes sense for the dancing pandas. 814 00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:41,760 Yeah, but not the rest. 815 00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:43,280 For the rest now. 816 00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:48,040 So when my daughter got there, I learned, I learned from there, I learned from the nurses 817 00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:54,280 and the doctors that something that they didn't want to discuss, that they weren't interested. 818 00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:56,720 I just knew I didn't need to talk to them about it. 819 00:48:56,720 --> 00:49:02,680 So I didn't mention anything more to them about it until my daughter came in. 820 00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:08,120 Because that's you, somebody that I really trusted and I knew that would understand. 821 00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:11,640 And I told her, I said, Lisa, I said something happened to me. 822 00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:15,480 I said, I'm not sure what happened. 823 00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:17,360 She goes, what are you talking about? 824 00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:19,880 I said, Lisa, I said, I traveled. 825 00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:22,880 I said, I would, she said, dad, you were in a coma for four weeks. 826 00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:24,680 What do you mean you traveled? 827 00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:28,560 I said, I was in some big, beautiful city. 828 00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:31,920 I said, Paris, London, but it was beautiful. 829 00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:34,520 I said, it was so clean and vibrant. 830 00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:39,800 And she says, you weren't in London or Paris if it was that clean and vibrant and beautiful, 831 00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:41,120 you know. 832 00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:43,560 And I said, I don't know where I was. 833 00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:45,360 So I told her about Madison. 834 00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:46,760 And she said, well, who's Madison? 835 00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:48,920 I said, I don't know of Madison. 836 00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:49,920 I have no idea. 837 00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:55,280 And she said, well, who is the man that gave you, I said, again, I have no clue what this 838 00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:56,440 man is. 839 00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:59,600 I don't, I didn't know. 840 00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:03,080 And she tell you, you talk to her, she'll tell you that she was a bit sceptic, that she 841 00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:07,680 really thought it was just the drugs that I was on. 842 00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:08,680 Sure. 843 00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:10,800 And she was a bit sceptic. 844 00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:12,240 So I was released. 845 00:50:12,240 --> 00:50:14,800 I had to learn to walk again. 846 00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:15,960 I had to learn to swallow. 847 00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:20,480 I have a damaged vocal cord still, but I had to learn to swallow. 848 00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:22,400 I was very, very weak. 849 00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:24,480 So I came home in a wheelchair. 850 00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:28,560 They wanted to send me to a rehabilitation center because I was still on some pretty 851 00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:30,960 heavy blood centers. 852 00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:33,240 And they wanted to send me to a rehabilitation center. 853 00:50:33,240 --> 00:50:36,160 And I just said, no, I'm going home. 854 00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:39,600 And they said, well, the only way to go home is if you have nursing care. 855 00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:43,280 I looked at my daughter and I said, she'll take care of me. 856 00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:45,120 So she moved home. 857 00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:46,560 She was up in Mississippi at the time. 858 00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:49,880 So she moved back here to take care of me. 859 00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:53,880 Well, I'm happy you had such a beautiful experience. 860 00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:55,360 Last question. 861 00:50:55,360 --> 00:51:01,520 I love to ask this one, especially of someone who was very, very, very afraid of death. 862 00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:07,960 On a scale of one to 10, I'm guessing you were a 10 fearful of death prior to this. 863 00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:10,200 Where are you on the scale now? 864 00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:11,200 Zero. 865 00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:12,200 Bring it on. 866 00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:13,200 All right. 867 00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:15,200 Not at all. 868 00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:16,200 Not at all. 869 00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:20,680 Because there's such, you know, if there's anything that I bring, I bring a message of 870 00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:27,160 hope, how are you going to accept my experience and how you're going to translate it? 871 00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:29,440 You know, that's up to you. 872 00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:33,320 You know, I can't, everybody has their own experiences and they're going to listen and 873 00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:38,520 they're going to make their own decisions, but I can just tell you that on that scale, 874 00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:41,240 I was at 11 before. 875 00:51:41,240 --> 00:51:44,440 I mean, I did not want to die end of story. 876 00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:45,600 I didn't want to do it. 877 00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:46,760 Didn't talk about it. 878 00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:50,560 If you used to talk about it, my family would bring it up. 879 00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:51,560 I'd walk away. 880 00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:52,840 I couldn't talk about it. 881 00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:58,040 And now I can talk about it all day long because it's a beautiful place. 882 00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:00,840 It's a beautiful experience, a beautiful feelings. 883 00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:02,560 I don't fear it at all. 884 00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:08,000 And if you have a chance to be a guide, I think you're going to be the best one there. 885 00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:09,800 You think I'll get my wings? 886 00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:12,200 I'm going to ring the bell and I'll get my wings. 887 00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:15,080 Randy, thanks so much for being with me today. 888 00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:16,240 I enjoyed it. 889 00:52:16,240 --> 00:52:17,240 Thank you, sir. 890 00:52:17,240 --> 00:52:18,520 I appreciate the opportunity. 891 00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:20,360 Thank you so much. 892 00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:26,120 We are out of time for this episode, but Randy had a whole bunch more to say, especially 893 00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:30,040 on the topic of the proof that he was looking for. 894 00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:34,480 Because in spite of having his experience, he needed more than just that. 895 00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:39,680 So our episode coming out later this week, the bonus episode will be all about that. 896 00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:40,680 And I'll give you a hint. 897 00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:46,600 It has something to do with Madison and the face that he saw briefly in the orb of light. 898 00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:47,680 This part is really cool. 899 00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:49,520 I hope you'll join us then. 900 00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:53,480 If you want to be notified when the bonus episode comes out with the rest of Randy's 901 00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:58,960 interview, go on over to roundtriptest.com, sign up for our newsletter, and you'll be 902 00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:00,560 one of the first to know. 903 00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:04,840 In the meantime, I wish you everything good that you're looking for in this life and the 904 00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:32,000 next.