From the time that they pronounced me deaf was a good 45 minutes.
They cut my clothes and then they paddled my heart, my heart had stopped.
And I could see people screaming and crying, but I didn't realize that was actually my
physical body because I was somewhere else.
The only thing that I could feel, if you could imagine, absolute love and peace, there wasn't
anything else to be felt.
I was greeted by people I'd known in the past.
I'm back home again.
Incredibly safe and felt at home.
Welcome, welcome to Round Trip Death, everybody, and welcome to our special guest, Yvonne Sneedon.
Did I say that right, Yvonne?
It was perfect, really perfect, Eric.
Yes, I'm glad to be here with you.
It is great to have you.
I love your accent.
Tell us where you're from.
My accent is actually, I'm French.
My first language is French.
I grew up in Belgium in the city of Brussels, which Belgium for people that wonder where
it is, it's the country between France and Germany.
And it's a trilingual country.
And I speak, I'm from the French portion of the country.
There you have three languages, French, Dutch, and German.
And I'm on the French side.
And somehow you learned English too.
Good job.
Yeah.
Yeah, I said 16, I took it in high school, in mid, so, and later on in college.
How long have you lived in this country?
Since 2001.
Okay.
Is there anything else you'd like to tell our listeners so they can just know who Yvonne
is a little bit?
No, of course.
So I moved to the US in 2001.
And I have a daughter, she's 28, and she is a wonderful psychotherapist.
She's the joy of my life.
I work in IT right now, in one of the largest IT company in the US or in the world.
It's an amazing, very human, very loving company.
I mean, I'm feeling very blessed to be working there.
And also I am the co-producer of a documentary called Back from the Light, which focuses
on people that had near-death experiences and specifically the after effects, how they
feel and how they live on Earth after such an experience.
And I ask you a couple of questions about that before we get into your near-death experience.
And that is, tell me why you think it's often difficult for people after they've had an
NDE to go back to a regular life?
Well, you know, I often give this picture.
So everyone was living their life here on Earth.
And then when we die and we go to the other world, it's as if we're waking up from a
dream and the dream is Earth and all our concept of reality is much heightened in that other
world and it's so fantastic and filled with love and no stress, no hate, no anger, nothing,
just love and beautiful kindness.
And then people come back here in this world that has so many challenges.
I'm always giving the picture, for example, if we live in a jungle or in a swamp.
I mean, I'm sorry to say that that way, but there's a lot of challenge on Earth every
day.
And then you don't realize it because you were born in it.
And then suddenly you're moving to the best place in pristine and the sun is shining.
There's nothing, beautiful mountains and lake.
And then suddenly you're forced to go back to that jungle.
Now before you didn't know you were in the jungle, but now you know you are in the jungle
because now you have a point of comparison, which is that amazing place and it creates
a lot of depression on people because they don't want to be here.
They want to be back and they also have felt who they really are, who we really are outside
our body here and outside our life here.
And now coming back, it almost feels like you have to do a new play.
You're playing, you're not real because you know who you are in the other world.
So it's very difficult for some people coming in.
And then also there's a lot of side effects for people when we come back, when people
come back, a lot of them change their way of eating.
The diet style is different, more holistic.
Spiritually people are changed, whether they have, regarding of rich religion or spirituality,
whether they are actually embracing before they become more universally spiritual.
Love as well, because you've been really baited in love.
So you have a lot of empathy and compassion.
And when you come back here, you suck all the pain of people.
And so you have to kind of learn to just protect yourself.
There's so many, many, there's a long list.
Ions actually has made some studies about that.
There's a long list of after effect.
And we approached that in the documentary.
We went to film people in their home and talk to their family as well, because the families
also are affected by that change.
Well, and if I can add to that, some people tell me they really miss it.
So that's another emotion to deal with.
And then you mentioned how people are changed.
And some people have what I like to refer to as spiritual gifts.
In other words, they, well, some become mediums because of it.
They are relating to spirits or hearing or seeing or all kinds of other things or all
kinds of very intuitiveness that they didn't have before.
And some of those are great.
And people go, oh, yeah, I like this.
But for some other people, it's more like, I can't turn it off.
And I wish I could.
You know, I'm a little bit overwhelming.
You're right.
My sister also had an experience in in in Brussels, actually.
And after when she came back, she said she couldn't go back to work for a few months.
And she said she couldn't even go out because walking in the street, she could feel every
emotions of people, which can be overwhelming when it's depression, despair.
And she had a hard time on that one as well.
We had one of one of my favorite interviews is maybe I'll stick this in the show notes.
We had somebody on a year or so ago who lives in England.
And when she came back, she could hear the thoughts of animals.
That's amazing.
All animals.
That's amazing.
Yeah.
And it was great.
And it was also very difficult.
Like she can't go to a zoo because it's way too much.
But she will, she can be in a park and a dog will come up to her.
And all of a sudden she's hearing, oh, I don't like the food.
This guy is feeding me and this leash is too tight.
Or, you know, whatever it is.
Anyway, so there are all kinds of things that happen.
And I find it just absolutely fascinating.
Yeah.
And I see you have a beautiful cat back there behind you.
Yes.
This is Maddie.
Maddie was my daughter's cat and she moved out and her fiance has a dog.
And so they, so I kept the cat because Maddie likes to be on her own.
All of our animals have come from kids moving out and leaving them behind.
I can relate.
That's exactly my story.
Okay.
I want to jump into your, your NDEs.
In fact, you had two of them and we're going to go in reverse order.
We're going to start with the second one.
Okay.
If that's okay with you.
So how many years ago was this and what was going on with your health that led up to this
experience?
So my near-death experience happened in 2008 as I had moved to the U.S. and working hard
for making a living for my daughter and myself.
I was divorced very, very quickly after I moved to the U.S. and so I had to make a living
and I worked, I overworked, I guess, and because I had to rebuild my life and my daughter's
life and make sure she had the same opportunities as everyone else.
I had two, the two things were happening at the same time.
I felt in my heart that I was at the end of my life on earth.
It's very, very unique.
I've had it only once in my life.
I felt that the energy of my life was running out just like you see those ads on battery
on television with that rabbit.
I don't want to say the name, but it's okay.
It's moving with, and then the battery starts to slow and that rabbit's slow and then it's
over.
So I really, really felt that the battery of my life was done and I knew I was going
to die.
And then even I called my sister in Brussels and I said, Mimi, I know, I think I'm going
to die, but don't worry, I'm okay.
I'm okay.
She was like, what?
I mean, no, you're not okay.
And she was so worried.
At the same time of that, I was developing arrhythmia.
I didn't know yet because that it was arrhythmia.
I went to the cardiologist.
My heart was racing uncontrollably.
Oftentimes in the evening when I was laying and I went to the cardiologist and he said
that I was developing arrhythmia.
He gave me some medication to take whenever I had a crisis or an episode, which instead,
I often say that I had an accidental overdose because instead of waiting for the attack,
it was so scary.
I don't know if anyone has had that, but it's really your heart is racing and there's
nothing you can do.
You can try to calm.
It's not calming.
So I was so afraid to have another crisis.
I took the medication just to make sure I wouldn't, but that's not the thing to do when
your heart is beating normally that day.
So that's why I said I had those two events happening at the same time.
I'm feeling that was the end of my life, the cardiologist giving me those medication.
Because I knew I was going to die, I was putting the best nightgowns or pyjamas.
And during the day, I was rule all every day.
If the ambulance came, you were going to look beautiful.
Good job.
I was presentable.
I was thinking, you think of all kinds of things when you know you are going to die
that you don't think of.
So and then my sister was worried, but I was in total peace and it doesn't make sense because
my daughter was living with me.
So it's almost like heaven or the other side or the other world had already given me that
peace for the journey I was going to take.
So you took this medication accidentally overdosed.
Was there a point where your heart stopped, the paramedics came?
Give us a quick on that point and then let's jump into what happened.
So for my heart stopped, I didn't have the paramedic coming.
As you know, I had two near that experience and each time with a medication and later
on I knew I had gone and I was dead.
That was for sure.
But then I went to the anesthesis at Duke Hospital told me that that medication was
creating two different side effects.
The first one was sleep apnea, which was my first NDE and the second one heart stop, which
was my second.
And she said to me that I was very fortunate that I was still alive, but because she knew
that the dosage and my heart state, I could have just not come back.
And then I was very fortunate.
So your heart actually stopped?
Yes.
And what do you remember happening to you at that point?
So here I am not realizing because it's my second NDE.
I didn't realize that that medication was creating that stops.
So I'm here in the afternoon reading on the sofa.
I had taken the medication and then out of a sudden I feel my organs shutting down and
I'm instantly in God's light, in the light or in Creator's light.
The shift was instant.
I was just instantly in God's light.
I was completely, I was a spirit or a soul that had no memory of Earth.
I was just basking in God's light or in Creator's light.
However you like or people that listen are comfortable with or Creator light, father,
whatever.
I'd rather you put it in your words.
Okay.
So where do you feel, whether that's God, Creator, Source, whatever, you use your words.
So usually I say God because most people can relate to that word when we say God because
it's been such a familiar word.
So I'll just keep God.
And so here I am in God's light.
I'm basking, I'm that spirit that has absolutely no fear, no negativity, negative emotion,
no stress.
I'm just basking completely at peace, completely joyful.
I am experiencing the highest level of happiness and joy that exists in the entire cosmos existence,
in the existence itself.
I'm feeling totally at the peak of joy, of bliss.
I don't know how you can call it the bliss of God.
And I'm just there, just that pure soul.
It's just phenomenal.
We are emerging with that love and that kind light.
And I'm just there basking.
No more negativity, no more doubt, no more nothing.
And as I'm basking in that light, I see coming in front of me, I see a being, a translucent
being.
And it actually has like a circular face and two legs, two arms, a body, but it's all
translucent.
And I cannot make the feature.
It's pure light.
And that being is brighter than the light I'm in.
It's coming towards me in a way hovering in a very graceful and loving and peaceful and
elegant way.
It just move above me, like above and comes above me, whirling above me like that and looking
at my being with the most amazing love and pride and amazement.
And that being is looking at me and kissing my whole face like a mother is kissing her
newborn baby.
That's the feeling I have as that being is doing that.
And then at some point that being engulfs me completely in its embrace, I am completely
feeling whole and happy and loving.
And when that being embraces me, I am downloaded by God.
I'm downloaded.
It's not my own thoughts.
It's really downloaded in my mind.
This is Jesus.
And it said to me, this is Jesus.
I start to feel all the emotion of unconditional love.
I feel his compassion, but I feel his tenderness, the tenderness, the love, the affection.
And as I am in his, its arms, I will say its arms because the feeling I had when I was
in Jesus' embrace was the feeling of a mother and a father in love in one unit.
It was Jesus was both in one unit.
It was both energy, the energy of the ideal mother and the ideal father in one single
unit.
It was not genderless.
It was all in once, which makes sense.
Because on earth, we have the male and female energy, and it makes sense that in God's light,
we feel both in one because it's reunited.
I almost sometimes think that the two energy were separated on earth, so for us to learn
from each other and to learn to blend and understand each other and be harmonious in
our relationships.
That's how I felt.
When I was in Jesus' embrace, I felt like a child, like a four years old child, in his
ideal parents' embrace or in her ideal embrace of the ideal parents.
I felt I was engulfed in that love and that nothing, nothing in the universe could happen
to me.
Nothing could ever happen because I was so safe.
And while I was in that embrace, I could feel the entire galaxy's universe, worlds behind.
It was phenomenal.
I was home.
Wow.
Wow, wow.
I want to unpack a little bit of this.
I find that very interesting that you felt, correct me if I'm wrong here, from Jesus in
his embrace, you felt male and female presence.
And you made the distinction not genderless though, but both male and female.
Correct.
And is that because it felt like a parent?
You felt like a child, so did you feel like this was parents in a way?
Absolutely.
I felt the love of the ideal parents.
It was actually, I felt this love and I have not been raised with my parents.
So I think that's why maybe the emotion was heightened.
It was really my ideal parents.
You got, usually I even say that when I'm interviewed, so perfect.
It was really that feeling of love and conditional love of the parents that you belong to us.
You are ours.
You are part of us.
We're taking care of you.
That is so great.
And just feeling safe.
How else could you describe that feeling of love?
Have you ever experienced anything like it here, by the way?
Well here, I did experience that feeling from somebody else.
That same feeling of ideal parents, as you know, I wasn't raised with my parents.
I was raised in an old girl, a strict, very strict Catholic boarding school in Brazil.
So here, what I could feel when I raised my daughter, I could feel, oh, that's how it
feels to be unconditionally loved.
And I was experiencing, as I was raising my daughter, I was experiencing for the first
time all the emotion that what I should have felt if a mother had loved me or if a parent
had loved me.
I say, oh, that's how it feels when she was embracing me or loving me or holding me and
I was holding her.
I say, oh yeah, that's what it is.
It was a beautiful journey of discovering something I had never experienced all my life
through my daughter's love.
Yeah, you probably didn't expect anything like that either.
I mean, did you even know that could exist?
No, I wasn't expecting.
You know, I grew up, I had, in the past in Europe, I've been in my faith in very deeply.
So I was very engaged and I had a lot of love in friends and family for many years in that
field, but not the parent's daughter feeling I had never felt.
It was all new.
It was a discovery for anything.
For example, if my daughter was sick and I was holding her the whole night in my arms
to make sure she was safe, I had never had that.
If I was sick in a boarding school, it's a very nice private boarding school.
It's not that I was orphaned.
My parents were well off, but they didn't have time for my two sisters and I, so they
just parked us there.
We were the only three girls that were staying for the holidays, for a vacation and everything
and they were paying double.
But so I had, so the only thing I would get is the nun giving me a medication and just
staying in your bed and recovering on your own.
But just the fact of holding my daughter and making sure she's okay, I had never had that.
And so all the, every details, but it was a beautiful journey because I could love her
the way I had not been loved and it was just beautiful.
That is beautiful.
Okay.
What happened next?
So next, I am in that embrace.
I'm actually curdled in Christ's arms and I'm loved completely feeling home.
But then, you know, when you are in the other world, your senses are high and it's 100%.
You know everything and you have no wings in that world.
People don't have to tell you what's going to happen.
I had a knowing that at some point of my moment with Christ, I would have to come back to
earth.
I just had a knowing.
So as I am embraced and I'm filled with love and shared with unconditional love, I feel
that, oh, you have to come back.
And so I ask Jesus, if you send me back to earth, what do I have to do with, and I'm
sorry if somebody's called Steve, what do I have to do with Steve?
Because after my divorce, I was dating again and it wasn't working well.
And then I would call that person Steve.
That's not a real name.
And it wasn't working again well.
And so in my faith that I had before my Andy, we were always asking the will of God, is
it your will, is it your not will, is it your will?
Whenever you were meeting somebody, is it your will?
Is he sent by you or not sent by you?
And then you stress yourself out forever while God is probably, you see, just go with your
heart.
And so when I was there, I asked Jesus, if you send me to earth, what do I have to do
with Steve?
Because I was still in that mindset of, you know, is it your will of God?
And when I asked Jesus that, he shifted in the air in that light.
He shifted in the air, took a more holographic continents where I could start to see his
feet, his eyes and nose because at first I couldn't, it was just light.
And then, and then I started to see his robe.
And he actually opened in, we are still in God's light.
Jesus is brighter than the light.
And then he opened a screen that appeared, that's also bright, a big screen.
And you know, I had asked him, what do I have to do with Steve?
So he opened that screen and there was two, there were two square under each other.
And one was a yes and a no, you know, like on those forms.
And then he was just standing next to and he ticked the no.
Wow.
And then he says, you have to say no, no to the relationship.
But while he was saying that to me, because in that world, everything happens simultaneously.
You can have 10 things.
Sure.
He can talk, he can tell me 10 things at the same time and I understand them all.
So while he was telling me that, he was showing me that he loved Steve, the same level of
love as me, because love was love was there for everyone.
Love was all love.
And so there is no judgment, but he said, you have to say no.
And then to make sure he said, you have to say no.
He said, so it's a ticking and him saying you have to say no.
So it was like a double confirmation from make sure I wasn't going back.
Yeah, you heard it and saw it both.
Yeah.
Yes.
And then I said, but why is Steve always so mean with his word when we have a conflict?
Why is he so mean to me?
When I said that Jesus came down from that screen, the screen disappeared.
He put himself in front of me, in front of me, but a little bit further than me.
And he looked at me very neutral.
There was no judgment, no condemnation.
He was very neutral.
Just like when you Google a question, up the answer come.
Well, when I was asking that, that's how he was.
There was no judgment from Steve or me.
And he said, it's because Steve has decided to, to experience his life on earth through
his mind primarily.
You have decided to experience your life on earth through your heart primarily.
Primarily.
The two, he meant that the two would clash because, for example, if, if we're in a conflict,
Steve will just tell me everything he wants just to hurt me because he's angry, because
he uses money.
And I would just say, I can't go that far.
I cannot tell him that because it's going to hurt his feelings.
You see, so that was the two us.
And it wasn't, I wasn't so much better because I was going through my heart.
It was just two different approach that wouldn't match together.
You know, sometimes we always say, oh, opposite attract.
So well, so here in Jesus said that it might not be the best.
We all think of that, but we have to find some commonality and some harmony.
And we'd be hard to get with somebody.
I like the whole checkbox thing.
That's unusual.
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Now, back to the interview.
So was that the end of it or was there more?
No, there were more.
So after that moment, there were a few questions asked and of course the listener don't see
my face, but I am a mixed person.
I have three races in me, so I have a 10.
So I did ask Jesus.
You have to know that at that moment I wasn't at all attached to Earth.
Earth for me was a distant planet and I had no emotion.
And I asked Jesus, why is there a racism on that planet on Earth?
I couldn't understand that and of course that's what I had decided to come and experience
on Earth somehow with my skin color.
I said, why are people racism?
And it was not like I was hurt or anything.
I was totally detached.
It's just asking something from another planet.
I would have asked something from Venus, for example.
And then he said something that I would never have thought.
He said, it's because people.
It's because of their self-centeredness.
And I said, because I would have thought of bringing geographic location, culture, country,
trauma from one race that have been traumatized or something, but not self-centeredness.
And so actually what it meant when he was explaining, because it's all, of course, everything
is from thought to thought.
It's not verbally spoken.
It's from heart to heart.
He meant that most of us, regardless of the race, I mean, I was raised, I have traveled
the whole world, I've been in all the continent except Australia, and I've seen racism in
all the directions.
And so I'm not talking about a specific race when I say that, but he explained that when
racism is birthed in self-centeredness in the sense that we want to be surrounded with
people that are like-minded, that look like us, that do things like us, that have the
same type of upbringing.
So when you want to keep the same race around you, it's because you want a reminder of who
you are.
You want a reminder of the same color that you are you.
Everything has to remind you are the point of comparison.
Yeah.
But people here don't have that choice.
Is that a choice we made before we came here?
What choice?
What do you mean?
Of being around people of the same race.
No, we don't have that choice.
We don't have the choice.
But you can actually be with the people with the same race and not have that racism in
you.
It's only for people, this is an answering a question on people that are racist.
I grew up in a country which was 95% white, even more growing up, and I've hardly experienced
any racism.
So it's not a question of, I think, the environment.
It's a question of how much in our hearts we are open to accept difference in our life.
Something that's different than us, than who we are.
So what was your next question?
So there are more private questions, those ones that I asked for my life, but maybe another
time.
Okay, fair enough.
All right, what happened after that?
So after asking those questions, Jesus came back to my left.
From standing there, he just shifted to my left here, and we proceeded outside of the
light.
When Jesus was to my left, he actually took more of a more physical form.
So I could now see that he had a row bone.
I could see he was still holographic, but more solid.
And Jesus has changed, you know, because initially we are light and we can change forms.
And here Jesus changed form like four times during my end, according to what he was giving
me.
So to my left, he was there, and then we were both progressing towards outside the light.
And ahead of me, I saw a crystal city, a celestial city, a crystal city.
It was magnificent.
It had huge tall crystal buildings.
It had just a fantastic blue sky, but there was no sun.
I couldn't see any sun around.
It was wide avenue.
Everything was shining of light and glory.
It was just the most amazing.
And I felt so excited because I felt like I was going home.
I knew that was my home.
And I was just, you know, like when you rush, you're so happy.
It's home.
And I was just trying to rush to go home.
I was so happy.
So finally home, finally home.
You know, it's like when you are going on vacation and you have the sunshine, everything
is fantastic.
Not a worry in the world and you're happy.
I was just feeling that happiness as I was walking towards that crystal city.
And Jesus was on my side.
And then suddenly I felt like some people were walking towards my left, my right, you
know, like when you walk in the street and then suddenly you feel some people are.
So I felt that I feel like people are going to walk towards that same place.
I feel people are coming.
So I turn around to look who it was and I see a dozen of children angels, like they
must have been nine or 10 years old.
Also circular face, a white robe of light, walking towards that celestial city.
And they were so excited.
I have to say that the vibration in that world is absolutely amplified.
It's nothing like here.
Oftentimes in any religion that we are belonging to, we always have to be super quiet.
And not when we go to the, you know, to the building or everybody's speaking like that.
But I can tell you that in heaven or in that life, it's actually joy and it's very, all
the emotions are extremely heightened.
And so those, those angels are also excited and there's that feeling of excitement, of
joy, of purpose.
And they're all walking also towards that crystal city.
At some point, one of them looked and then he thought, okay, it's, it's Yvonne.
It's not a big deal.
She's not a big deal.
It's Yvonne.
It just looked at me.
But then it, that in that child angel looked at Jesus next to me.
And what he does, his face shone like, like light.
It became pure light of excitement, of joy, of happiness.
And when his, when his face becomes shining like that, the other children, the angels
are looking and they saw Jesus and they all ran into Jesus arms, all of them.
And you can say, well, how is that possible?
But in that world, everything is energy.
And Jesus was holding each of them individually while holding them together.
And they were so happy.
There's so much joy.
They were so happy to see Jesus at some point after he embraced them with all inclusivity
and kindness and love and gentleness.
He said to the angel, to the children angels, this is Yvonne's moment.
Go back to your, I'm going to say it, go back to your mothers.
He said that.
And then when I looked, I mean, when I looked what he meant by the mothers, because in my
faith there's no mothers.
And some people ever even said, oh, it's not biblical because you're, there will be no
women or men in heaven.
But I mean, I, for anyone listening, I cannot change my experience to fit a doctrine.
So I'm just going to share my own experience.
So when I looked back, I saw a dozen of female angels and they were probably like 15, 14
or 15 feet high, amazing, beautiful beyond in the purity, but not beautiful in a, it's
a very pure beauty, like heavenly beauty, purity of heaven, angelic beauty.
And they, they were just all of them there with hair, long hair to the knees.
They were just looking at me.
They had that light that was emanated out of them as well.
And they were looking at me with a lot of reverence and a lot of respect.
And they, they just looked at me and telepathically they said to me, and remember I had a very
bad life with my parents, not a difficult life, childhood, horrible childhood.
So they said to me, and then everything I had experienced being in the U S they said to
me, Yvonne, always with that sacredness and that purity of that's the feeling that you
can only find in that world.
They said, kindness.
They said, Yvonne, we will never harm you.
We will never hurt you because this is home.
You are one of us, and I say that when they say that I was like, I said to Jesus, Jesus,
I don't want to go back to earth.
I want to stay here.
This is home.
I want, I don't want to go back.
And I said, that planet, that planet earth is a very violent planet.
I said, I can't relate to that, to that world.
People, many people are selfish.
I did say that you can say things like that in the other world.
You can say what's the truth, your truth.
Many people are selfish.
They could care less about anybody else.
And I just can't, I can't, I can connect with that world.
I can't relate.
I want to stay home.
I want to stay here.
I could feel that that was not an option.
So I said, anyway, I said, when you look, look at my body on earth, it's broken beyond
repair.
I won't, I don't want to go back in that body.
It's broken beyond repair.
I can't go back.
I was trying everything I could, but it wasn't working.
And Jesus was looking at me with tremendous love, but like, you know, there's nothing
I can do.
You have to do that almost like you had signed up for that.
And it will gain so many benefit of doing that.
And you know, you need to go back.
Let's just deal with it.
Yeah, you're right.
Exactly.
And, but with a lot of kindness and respect, and there's a delicate in that world, people
are very delicate not to hurt any feelings.
And when I said that, I said, I'm not going back.
I'm home.
I'm here to stay.
When I said that, so he, he shifted in the air, became half a mile high.
We shifted from the light as space feeling to a space that was a black velvety space,
which is not scary at all.
It's very peaceful, but it's a black velvety space.
It's almost like we imagine the universe without stars.
We were basking, we were just basking there and we shifted in that space and Jesus expanded
like half a mile high, he was that huge hologram now made of beams of light.
And he looked at me, I can still see his eyes looking at me and as I share with you, he
looked at me, he was, and he said, he said, Yvonne, I will give you my strength, give
you my power, I'll give you my energy of life.
Because, oh yeah, I forgot to say that before that event, when I said, I don't want to
come back to earth, I said to him, I said to Jesus, if you send me back, because it wasn't
working what I was trying, if you send me back, I will be beyond exhaustion.
I can do it.
And that's when Jesus shifted in the air, because you have to know that since I've
been alone in my life, my parents never came back.
So I just made my self made person.
So I said, I just don't know what that's like.
And so that's when he shifted in the air and he had to give me the energy of life because
I was beyond exhaustion.
I couldn't, I couldn't go back.
So he shifted in the air, he expanded and then he said, Yvonne, I'll give you my strength,
I'll give you my power.
I'll give you my energy of life.
And then he said, lift your hand, my spirit hand, and he put his finger on mine.
And even though he was having my eye, I could feel his finger because it's all energy.
It's all energy.
And when he did that, I had the flood, the flood of a waterfall, or you imagine a waterfall
that came of sparkling, sparkling goldish white energy that actually filled my entire spiritual
and being and body being.
When he did that, I could feel that energy of life that was giving life to every bone
I had, every muscle, every nerve, each cell of my body.
I could feel every single cell of my body being regenerated by that energy of life that I
needed to come back.
So was there a point where you remember coming back into your body specifically?
Yes, because when Jesus came back from that moment of feeling me, he came back in front
and he said to me, and that was the last part of my experience, he said to me, Yvonne,
when he came back, he shrinked back to his form that he had, and he became again that
physical being.
And he said to me, Yvonne, I love everyone.
I love humanity.
I love everything and everyone.
I love my babies, he said that.
And I thought, well, you're Jesus, you came to earth to show us God's love.
That was your mission.
You wanted to show us unconditional love through God's love.
I was thinking that and it's normal that you love everyone.
And he said to me, I'll show you how I love.
I show you.
And when he said that, he took my heart, I'll say my heart for people to understand.
He took my heart and blended it with his.
So it is more like, it took my essence, the essence of who Yvonne is as a spirit, as a
being, and he blended my essence with his essence.
And we became one.
And I say that for people that have a Christian background.
There's a scripture that's where Jesus says to God, let there be one like you and I are
one.
And I was feeling that oneness at that moment.
It was the oneness, the oneness that we all are one.
We all are one because we're all made of the same one light, the light, the God's light.
We're all made of that same light.
We all initially are one.
And I said, and I fell at oneness and because Jesus wanted me to feel at oneness because
at that moment, when we merged together as one being, we were one being, I could feel
every second, every instant, every emotion that Christ had that was wave, billions of
waves of unconditional love, of kindness, of goodness, of tenderness, of joy.
Of there was forgiveness.
There was not even forgiveness because forgiveness in that world meant that we had done something
wrong.
But there was not even that there.
It was just the acceptance that the celebration, we were all one, the joy.
And that's the moment that's extremely hard for me to express in human words because it's
so pale, even the whole experience is so pale when I explain it.
But that one is extremely hard to explain because I felt billions of explosion of celebration
for not only for human beings, but for all planets, all cosmos, all exist and all every
being that exists everywhere.
There was just that and everything, every animal, everything that exists, nature, there
was that explosion of universal love and I could experience that after that incredible
and I'm doing such a poor job of expressing that moment.
No, you're doing a great job.
I know we don't have the words to do all of it, but go ahead and finish.
Thank you.
And that's when after that moment, we emerged for people to understand in that world, we
can merge with one another like that, like I merge with Jesus.
For example, Eric, if I meet you in that world, in the light, world of light, and I ask you,
well, how was your life on earth?
And then I can ask, would you give me permission to merge with you?
And if you do, I can become you so I can experience every single emotion of your entire life on
earth.
You know, here on earth, we can share a story or a childhood, but we miss so many elements
because we only talk about memories and we can only share that as that much we cannot
share every single moment of our life.
But in that world, we have actually, we can merge and become the other person because
then we have the whole life as if we had lived that life.
And it's me and then we can demerge and we can understand each other better.
It's a it's a it's a great thing.
And so when we demerged, I knew 100% that it was time for me to come back to Jesus,
back up like that a little bit.
And he told me that's over.
You go back to earth.
Like there is no longer, please can I stay?
I knew that I couldn't plead anything.
Yeah.
And you felt a separation of some sort.
I felt a separation and I felt coming back through dimensions and then slipping back
into my body from my head like an envelope, like a letter to come back in an envelope.
And I felt that.
Okay.
I need to take a breath.
That's a lot.
That's amazing.
Thank you for sharing all of that.
I have one question and then and then we're going to move on.
We're going to get into your first NDE.
My question is, you had mentioned a while ago about being able to see more clearly his
robe and his features.
Can you describe those at all?
Yes.
So Jesus changed shape because, you know, he was first a being of light.
So it was the first one was light, as I said, just a circle with the arms and the legs were
more like a flame of fire, but it's light.
I didn't see hands and everything.
It was just two, like two flames of fire.
You know, when you look at the flames of fire, it just ends like into a peak like that.
So when he moved first, that's how he was in the legs were like that as well.
And then when he was standing for the form, yes or no, there he had, it was, it was, he
was no longer translucent.
It was a robe made of light.
It was, he was made of light.
So it was his face, I could tell the feature and little hair coming there, but it was still
all light.
It was all white of light.
I could make feature, nose, mouth, eyes, but he was still a being of light.
When we came, when we came out of the light to go towards the crystal city and it came
to my left and he was more physical.
So he had a robe, a white robe.
He, for me, but Jesus can appear because he's light, he can appear differently.
But for me, he had a robe.
He was about six foot, five, 10, between five, 10 and six.
He had dark brownish hair like that here up to here.
And that's all I could see.
And then I could see his face was more human, just, just more like the imagine the Jesus
that you imagine.
That's how he looked like at that moment.
So when we, when I said I didn't want to go to earth and he shifted in the air and became,
he was a huge hologram.
Then I couldn't see his robe.
His robe, it was more like light.
I could just made his face, which was again that brownish hair, but he had those eyes
that were very piercing.
For me, I know that other people have seen Jesus differently because Jesus is light.
He can appear the way, but for me, he had green eyes and he was just looking at me deeply
with those eyes and the robe, he had his robe, but it was just, his robe was always light,
made of light.
And everyone in heaven had those long white robe.
Every being in the world I was were emanating light from inside out.
It's like the inside of their body is not made of bones and blood like we have on earth.
It's made of light.
So that's why the body emanates light all over around them and Jesus had that same thing.
So even though he had the robe, the robe emanated light.
Makes sense.
I mean, he's called the light of the world.
Yes.
Okay.
Here's what we're going to do now.
I mentioned earlier that you had two NDEs.
We started with your second one.
We are going to split this up and we're going to do a bonus episode that will come out later
this week that is dealing with your first NDE.
And one of the reasons we're going to do it this way, as our regular listeners know a
while back, we asked, do you want us to stick on our very tight niche of classic NDEs only
or also get into things that are other related kind of experiences, which is a part of what
I and studies as well.
So I'll let our listeners know upfront.
Our bonus episode that's going to be coming out with your first NDE is a little bit more
out there into these other related type experiences.
A word that comes up, I don't really love it, but it comes up all the time as woo woo.
If you want to call it woo woo, you can.
I don't mean that as any kind of a judgment call on this, but it's going to be super interesting.
And so I invite everybody to come back for the bonus episode.
And you can stick around with me for a few minutes now so we can get to that point.
Yeah, absolutely, Erica.
I'll be happy.
And it's very unusual.
I'm just wanting people.