1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:08,400 From the time that they pronounced me deaf was a good 45 minutes. 2 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:13,440 They cut my clothes and then they paddled my heart, my heart had stopped. 3 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:18,120 And I could see people screaming and crying, but I didn't realize that was actually my 4 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:21,320 physical body because I was somewhere else. 5 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:27,400 The only thing that I could feel, if you could imagine, absolute love and peace, there wasn't 6 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:29,400 anything else to be felt. 7 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:32,560 I was greeted by people I'd known in the past. 8 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:34,160 I'm back home again. 9 00:00:34,160 --> 00:00:38,920 Incredibly safe and felt at home. 10 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:43,680 Welcome to RoundtripDeath everybody and our special guest today, Debra Yates. 11 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:45,200 How are you Debra? 12 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:46,320 I'm doing really good, Eric. 13 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:48,240 How are you this morning? 14 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:50,440 Afternoon here, good morning there. 15 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:54,520 Well, for us it's morning for people living all over the world and who knows what day 16 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:56,440 they're listening to this. 17 00:00:56,440 --> 00:01:02,160 It's all kinds of the day, night, and et cetera, but you're in beautiful Florida and 18 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:03,480 the United States. 19 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:06,680 Tell us about where you live and what you do. 20 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:11,600 I currently reside in a little place called Bonita Springs, Florida. 21 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:13,640 It's just a little bit north of Naples. 22 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:16,080 A lot of people know where Naples is. 23 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:20,520 I originally hail from the Ohio Valley. 24 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:24,880 Ohio means beautiful river and Native American, by the way. 25 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:30,960 And almost every state in the United States is named after an Indian name. 26 00:01:30,960 --> 00:01:35,760 So if you're curious about what your state is, just go online and look it up. 27 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:36,760 But I hail from Ohio. 28 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:41,600 I was born in a little town called Cambridge, famous for the glass. 29 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:44,320 And I was really just kind of born there. 30 00:01:44,320 --> 00:01:50,240 I was actually the first survivor that got to stay in the incubator that John Glenn 31 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:53,280 donated to the hospital that I was born in. 32 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:56,360 And then we just kind of moved around all over from there. 33 00:01:56,360 --> 00:02:01,720 My father was one of the first welders on the natural gas lines around the northeast 34 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:02,880 part of the country. 35 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:07,680 And he was so good, they were constantly bidding on him and luring him away. 36 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:11,880 So every time we moved about every six months, just needless to say. 37 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:16,200 And then we settled in a little town called Lexington, Ohio, which is just about smack 38 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:18,120 dab in the middle of the state. 39 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:19,960 I'm a retired landscaper. 40 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:23,520 I was a landscaper for about 25 years. 41 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:26,200 So I'm pretty well versed in plants. 42 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:29,120 And I was a farmer as well, dairy farmer. 43 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:34,720 And then I had about a 14 horse stable, show stable. 44 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:35,920 So it was a lot of fun. 45 00:02:35,920 --> 00:02:38,880 I rode and trained horses for many years. 46 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:41,920 Back then I want to say it was 2009. 47 00:02:41,920 --> 00:02:44,600 I found myself having to get a divorce. 48 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:49,920 I needed to move away because his crazy girlfriend decided I needed to be dead versus live. 49 00:02:49,920 --> 00:02:52,640 Something for another podcast, that story. 50 00:02:52,640 --> 00:02:55,360 Well I hid for a year, year and a half. 51 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:56,360 Wow. 52 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:57,520 I moved every three weeks. 53 00:02:57,520 --> 00:02:58,520 Every three weeks I moved. 54 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:01,840 Spent all my money, but I had a good time. 55 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:04,040 Some true crime podcast with that one. 56 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:05,040 Oh yeah. 57 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:07,000 Anyway, I'm glad you're settled now. 58 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:08,000 Everything's good, right? 59 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:09,560 Yes, it's beautiful. 60 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:10,560 All right. 61 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:12,360 You knocked off the girlfriend instead. 62 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:14,360 So I know. 63 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:18,480 They're still happily ever after living two doors down from my family own. 64 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:19,480 Thank you very much. 65 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:21,480 Anyway, enough small talk. 66 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:26,120 Our listeners are here to learn about near-death experiences. 67 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:31,920 You've had all kinds of experiences in your life, including a couple of near-death experiences. 68 00:03:31,920 --> 00:03:39,040 So I'm going to jump back in time, just three or four years, to when you were 19 years old. 69 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:40,040 Okay. 70 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:44,600 Give us an idea of what was going on in your life and what led up to what happened on that 71 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:46,120 fateful day. 72 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:49,960 Well, it was in the 1970s and you know us. 73 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:52,480 You did not have to divulge that. 74 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:53,480 It's okay. 75 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:54,480 I don't care. 76 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:56,120 I'm 66 years old and proud. 77 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:57,440 I can't believe I'm here. 78 00:03:57,440 --> 00:04:01,800 I mean, I've almost been dead five times, dead twice. 79 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:05,560 So it doesn't bother me to tell my age because it all shows. 80 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:06,560 Okay. 81 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:12,520 When I was dating a young man that was a basketball center, his name was Craig. 82 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:17,800 He was like dang near seven foot tall and gorgeous and young and beautiful. 83 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:19,280 You know how that goes? 84 00:04:19,280 --> 00:04:21,480 Not really, but go ahead. 85 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:23,120 He was handsome. 86 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:25,440 I was beautiful and he was handsome. 87 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:32,280 So anyways, we went down to Columbus for a night of partying, shall we say. 88 00:04:32,280 --> 00:04:37,920 Now, I'm not really sure what all happened at that party if I was slipped something or 89 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:43,920 how it exactly happened, but everybody was dancing around and having a good time. 90 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:51,400 And my boyfriend, his nickname was Lurch by the way, and he put on a scary mask and he 91 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:57,640 had hands that went with the scary mask and he popped around the corner. 92 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:02,920 And from what I recall, he went and put his hand on me. 93 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:03,920 I went out. 94 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:06,520 Instant collapse to the ground. 95 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:13,600 From that juncture, I can remember feeling like I was walking six feet off the ground 96 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:16,920 and I'm going, this is really interesting. 97 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:20,800 Oh, I can six feet off the ground and I'm looking down. 98 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:28,240 And then all of a sudden I see my friend standing there and I see somebody on top of somebody 99 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:30,720 kind of like beating on them. 100 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:35,480 I'm thinking, what on if this is going on? 101 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:41,160 I guess when he raised up from what he was doing, I saw it was me laying there. 102 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:42,160 So he was doing CPR? 103 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:44,160 He was doing CPR on me. 104 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:45,160 Yeah. 105 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:46,160 I mean, I was dead. 106 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:47,160 I was gone. 107 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:51,120 I had no pulse, no heartbeat, no nothing. 108 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:57,320 And you know, this old saying, you know, he scared me to death. 109 00:05:57,320 --> 00:05:58,320 It was either that or drugs. 110 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:01,480 I'm not really sure if somebody slipped me something that night. 111 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:03,280 Probably a combination is my guess. 112 00:06:03,280 --> 00:06:05,760 It could be what I've been. 113 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:10,720 So anyways, I just was up there hovering above my body. 114 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:16,800 And when I woke up, he was on top of me beating my chest and I opened my eyes and I said, 115 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:18,520 what are you doing to me? 116 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:24,520 Well, of course, the cheers went around the room because they had taken me from where 117 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:28,000 I was and drove me to the middle of the room where he could work on me because I was kind 118 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:32,360 of in a hallway when that original incident happened. 119 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:34,520 You know, it's like young. 120 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:40,800 I was like maybe 17 years old and didn't even think about going to the hospital. 121 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:47,680 I mean, I'm sure I was told to go when I'm going, no, the next day my chest hurt so bad. 122 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:51,800 I was bruised from here to here. 123 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:58,400 Just massive bruises where he had been literally pounding on me to get my heart started. 124 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:04,200 So thank God, James Maynard was, he was a paramedic in Vietnam. 125 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:05,280 He knew what to do. 126 00:07:05,280 --> 00:07:11,680 He knew exactly what to do and brought me back because I'm not sure if who knows, you 127 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:15,720 know, it was just, you know, God has his hand in everything. 128 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:22,480 He had his hand on me going out or somebody did and he had a hand in bringing me back. 129 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:30,200 So, you know, I can't recall anything other than the feeling like I was not walking because 130 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:32,320 I wasn't walking on the ground. 131 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:36,320 It was the weirdest feeling, but yeah, it was a little interesting. 132 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:39,480 Well, you were outside your body looking down at it. 133 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:40,480 Yes. 134 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:43,240 That's a very unusual place to be. 135 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:48,160 And just to remind people, every NDE is completely different from each other. 136 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:55,200 So your first one was very simple and short, but also taught you something. 137 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:59,400 We're going to talk about your second one in a minute, which has a whole bunch more detail. 138 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:02,400 Did you feel like you learned anything from that first one? 139 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:04,640 Wasn't afraid of death anymore. 140 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:05,840 Wasn't afraid of it. 141 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:14,960 I wonder if my two younger experiences, of course I don't remember the baby one, but 142 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:21,000 I had a near death experience at three where somebody had, you know, attacked me and beat 143 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:23,800 me up and was trying to drown me. 144 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:30,400 And you know, like I told you before, I remember looking out of that water, thinking this is 145 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:35,360 the last thing I'm going to see and thinking I needed an angel. 146 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:39,880 And the angel came in the form of a nine-year-old girl that knocked that boy off my back. 147 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:46,720 I think I've always, you know, out of more spiritual side to me than maybe other folks 148 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:55,160 because even as a young child, I was visited frequently by, for lack of another word, ghosts, 149 00:08:55,160 --> 00:09:01,880 spirits, whatever you want to call it, I had an undeniable faith in God that was obvious 150 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:04,240 to everybody that I knew. 151 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:10,120 At six years old, I went to my pastor, six, almost seven, and told him I needed to be 152 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:11,120 baptized. 153 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:13,000 And he said, oh no. 154 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:18,360 And then at seven, between seven and eight, I went to again and I said, I need to be baptized. 155 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:20,600 And he said, Deborah, you're too young. 156 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:22,960 You're not at the age of accountability. 157 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:25,120 And I said, you got to baptize me. 158 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:27,320 You just got to baptize me. 159 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:32,240 And so I'm being noticed to me, there was a meeting set up and my pastor and three other 160 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:37,840 pastors from the Southern Baptist faith came to my home and questioned me. 161 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:42,600 Well, I would have been in second grade, second and third grade. 162 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:49,120 You know, there's no way I'd read the Bible, but I had details and knowledge that I shouldn't 163 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:52,160 have had at that age. 164 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:57,560 And at the end of that one hour meeting, they all concurred, I needed to be baptized, that 165 00:09:57,560 --> 00:10:02,480 I most definitely was the age of accountability, that I understood the Bible. 166 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:05,440 And I knew things that I honestly, I shouldn't have known. 167 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:08,040 I shouldn't have known a lot of those things they were asking me. 168 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:12,240 But you know, God has a way of working in your spirit. 169 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:18,280 And I knew that I needed that confirmation that when I left this earth that I was going 170 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:20,480 to go be with the Father. 171 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:22,240 That's a good explanation. 172 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:25,720 Let's jump forward just a few years to, wow. 173 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:32,320 We just barely had someone on the show recently that had a horrible electrocution. 174 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:33,960 You were electrocuted too. 175 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:36,080 I guess that's the theme of the month or something. 176 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:37,240 I don't know. 177 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:39,000 But tell us what happened. 178 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:41,360 You were what, 24 years old now? 179 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:43,360 I believe I was right at 24. 180 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:47,840 Yeah, yeah, yeah, it would have been 24. 181 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:52,920 I had gone through a bad breakup again. 182 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:54,160 The guy tried to kill me. 183 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:55,160 Oh my God. 184 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:56,880 I was with him to my life. 185 00:10:56,880 --> 00:11:00,560 And he put me in the hospital for about three weeks. 186 00:11:00,560 --> 00:11:07,040 And when I came out of the hospital, I immediately packed up and I moved to Dallas, Texas from 187 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:08,960 Lexington, Ohio. 188 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:13,960 My girlfriend, you know, she opened her home to me and allowed me to move in. 189 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:19,920 And you know, I felt really kind of saved me because I just knew if I stayed, he would 190 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:20,920 get me. 191 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:23,120 He would get me and kill me. 192 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:28,800 So I moved in with her and then my very first apartment, I'd been living there about four 193 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:36,040 or five months at a beautiful place and had a great swimming pool and I was an avid swimmer 194 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:37,440 as a young person. 195 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:40,040 I was on a swim team and dive team. 196 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:46,760 So you know, how when you do a lapse, you do kick turns and you come off the walls and 197 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:54,760 I would go down and do about 50 every other day, come back on my last lap that I took, 198 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:57,240 I think probably forever. 199 00:11:57,240 --> 00:12:05,320 And as I raised my hand up out of the water and looked, I could see what looked like a 200 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:10,000 megaphone with wires sticking up on top of the water. 201 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:13,880 It was just laying on top of the water and my hand came down in it. 202 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:15,960 It was too late to do anything. 203 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:17,640 I just hit it. 204 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:20,680 So let me make sure I can picture this situation. 205 00:12:20,680 --> 00:12:25,960 There was some kind of an electronic megaphone microphone speaker, whatever. 206 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:28,120 How did it fall into the water? 207 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:32,840 Well, it wasn't, it would come unloose from the back in the long time ago. 208 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:39,720 They didn't have wireless anything and somebody had the screws worked out of the light fixture. 209 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:45,240 It was actually a light fixture that had come out of the wall and floated to the top of 210 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:46,520 the pool. 211 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:52,600 And so when I hit that, everything in the black, black, black, black as can be. 212 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:59,240 And I blinked my eyes a few times and I heard someone say, Debra, Debra. 213 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:05,800 And I looked up and it was my grandmother who had passed away about seven years before 214 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:06,800 that. 215 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:07,800 She was my everything. 216 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:13,760 I, I adore this woman just about anything more than anything in life. 217 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:14,960 And she was my girl. 218 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:17,440 I was her girl and she was my girl. 219 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:21,920 You know, she taught me how to cook and not how to clean, but she taught me how to cook 220 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:23,280 pretty good. 221 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:25,440 You know, it's, it's hard to explain. 222 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:30,440 It didn't look like her first day in the face. 223 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:37,440 She had on what I would consider maybe a robe, a whitish robe that with maybe like even a 224 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:38,440 hood on. 225 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:41,880 You know how people say the eyes are the window to the soul? 226 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:46,320 I recognized your eyes and then I could smell her, I smelled her. 227 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:51,040 You know, we all have our own scent that we, you know, exude. 228 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:55,080 William Grandma, she went, Debra, honey, I miss you. 229 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:57,320 I love you, but it's not your time. 230 00:13:57,320 --> 00:13:59,600 I said, no, Grandma, I want to come be with you. 231 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:02,400 And she says, no baby, you got to stay here. 232 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:04,160 You got things to do. 233 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:05,160 People need you. 234 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:08,280 But I said, grandma, yeah, but I can't have babies or nothing. 235 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:11,400 And she goes, it's not your time. 236 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:13,960 And that was the end of the conversation. 237 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:17,640 And she took her honor and she went like this. 238 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:27,400 And when she went, Ross, where my body was, that light let me go because I was getting 239 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:28,400 shocked. 240 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:29,960 So you were, you were paralyzed. 241 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:30,960 Yes. 242 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:32,480 Shocked to this thing. 243 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:33,480 Yeah. 244 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:39,080 It was explained to us in our podcast with Ryan just recently how your muscles completely 245 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:40,080 lock up. 246 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:41,200 Well, they do. 247 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:42,680 And so you can't let go. 248 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:44,440 I mean, we've seen this in the movies. 249 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:46,560 It really happens that way. 250 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:47,560 It's true. 251 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:51,320 You cannot do a thing about it. 252 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:56,560 And as she moved her hand across like this, that thing let me go. 253 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:58,960 It let me go just as quick as can be. 254 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:01,520 And my arm flew around. 255 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:06,360 As my arm flew around me and my whole body hit the side of the pool. 256 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:08,880 I think I still have it ducked from it right here. 257 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:13,640 I swear, and it knocked me backwards about 15 feet in the water. 258 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:25,080 I knew that I was alive again when I stopped because everything in my body hurt so bad. 259 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:29,560 I mean, unbelievable, unbelievable pain. 260 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:32,480 My brain went racy. 261 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:36,720 So at this point, I'm kind of still looking ahead of me because it's not always straight 262 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:37,720 backwards. 263 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:44,200 And I'm still looking ahead of me and I can see that light going, it's smoking, it's 264 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:47,600 sending up sparks, it's going, it's rocking in the water. 265 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:50,920 That's the whole, the water was rocking. 266 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:55,480 It was that intense of a thing that happened in that pool that day. 267 00:15:55,480 --> 00:16:01,160 So I started swimming towards the ladder and I got just about to the ladder and I heard, 268 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:03,880 no, don't touch the ladder. 269 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:09,680 So I veered to the side of it and I don't know how I did it to this day. 270 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:16,720 I'm not sure how I did this, but I got up, one the side of the pool to my waist and I 271 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:19,160 was a strong chick back then. 272 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:26,280 And I flattened up like a board and it inched my way out of that, away from that walk. 273 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:30,320 The man that was sitting there, well, he was asleep with earphones in his head. 274 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:37,160 Listened to music, I'm sure, he didn't budge and because I was hollering for somebody to 275 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:38,480 help me. 276 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:44,200 So I got up and I went to the rod iron fence that went all the way around the pool to get 277 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:52,400 a fence and a pool, grabbed onto that fence and my body just racked and racked and racked. 278 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:58,280 My body racked so hard that fence, all four sides, all the way back around to me, the 279 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:02,520 whole fence was moving, I was racking that, I swear it was moving now hard. 280 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:07,840 Howard, explain that, were you still feeling electricity or were you just in so much pain 281 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:09,360 that you were shaking it? 282 00:17:09,360 --> 00:17:11,600 Yes, I couldn't let go of it. 283 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:13,960 I could not let go of that fence for love and money. 284 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:20,960 They had to pry my, the EMTs, the ambulance people literally, pry my hands off that fence 285 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:25,520 because you know how those ornate rod iron fences, they got the little pretty deally 286 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:30,400 dews on them, my hands were right below those and I just racked, racked. 287 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:34,960 I didn't stop doing this for I don't know, I didn't sleep for a week, I couldn't fall 288 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:39,440 asleep every time I didn't think about falling asleep, my body would jerk and jerk me right 289 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:40,440 back away. 290 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:46,520 Anyways, come to find out later, there was two little girls, I did notice the two little 291 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:51,720 girls after I was you know rocking the boat there, they went and got help, that's how 292 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:53,720 I got, I ended up getting help. 293 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:58,680 I met the girls, one of the girls' mothers a few weeks later, you know she came to check 294 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:01,240 on me to you know see how I was doing. 295 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:08,080 I said, did the girls notice anything and she goes, no they really didn't notice much 296 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:10,480 but they said you were talking a foreign language. 297 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:16,280 And they said a foreign language, she said oh yeah and I said, but languages, they didn't 298 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:20,800 know, they'd never heard the language before and they go, well do you speak a foreign language? 299 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:27,120 I said, I can barely make sense out of English, let alone a foreign language. 300 00:18:27,120 --> 00:18:34,320 So I don't know if they heard me talking to my grandmother and that's what they heard, 301 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:39,040 you know they were little girls, probably seven, eight years old, roller skating around 302 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:42,440 so that's about all I know about that. 303 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:43,440 That is insane. 304 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:50,000 The ambulance attendants did arrive, like I said they pried my hands off there and you 305 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:56,880 know they're asking me questions and what happened and all this other stuff. 306 00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:59,440 Please tell me you went to the hospital this time. 307 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:04,000 So this time I actually went to the hospital, they had no choice, they drugged me away or 308 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:06,680 I probably wouldn't have gone on myself. 309 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:10,320 But so they got me to the hospital there in Plano, Texas. 310 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:16,440 The next thing I know I got doctors, I got nurses, I had maintenance men, hoping in to 311 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:17,440 rob me. 312 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:20,400 So can we rob you, can we touch you? 313 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:21,400 I'm going to open it. 314 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:22,400 Okay. 315 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:23,400 Yeah, it's a little strange. 316 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:27,280 You know what I said, so finally I looked at the nurse, I said, so why are all these 317 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:28,480 people coming in to touch me? 318 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:31,040 She goes, oh you should be dead. 319 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:37,560 There is just absolutely no reason on earth, you're alive, none. 320 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:39,240 You must have a purpose. 321 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:42,000 I never understood that I got a purpose. 322 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:47,880 I just, you know, how to relate that and deter that you got a purpose. 323 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:54,400 Now I kind of think I know that I was meant to save some lives in this lifetime. 324 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:57,000 I was meant to write a book. 325 00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:59,920 You can see my grandmother there, my seventh great grandmother. 326 00:19:59,920 --> 00:20:03,960 I'm an author, I wrote a book called, or not called, Woman of Many Names. 327 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:07,000 We're going to get to that in just a little while by the way. 328 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:09,760 Yeah, I sort of let a parallel life with her as well. 329 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:15,000 So I want to go back a little bit and get a little bit more detail from this experience 330 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:16,640 with grandma. 331 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:19,880 You mentioned to me the other day, you also saw colors. 332 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:21,240 Explain that. 333 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:23,640 Where were the colors and what were they like? 334 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:31,040 I have to tell you that when you cross over to the other side for me, it's here. 335 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:35,040 Evan, the next life, it's all right here on this planet. 336 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:39,720 We're not going to fly off to someplace in the sky unless that happens after the rapture 337 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:40,720 or something. 338 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:42,440 I don't know, but it's here. 339 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:45,040 What I saw was heaven. 340 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:52,400 And the colors were so bright and so vivid and everything was clean. 341 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:54,280 When you step over, it's just clean. 342 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:56,040 It's not dirty. 343 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:59,000 It's not, there's no trash. 344 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:03,960 It's just like we're seeing it at what it was meant to be at the creation. 345 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:08,600 The colors were so alive that you could like almost taste them. 346 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:12,640 I want to say it was just very vivid, very bright. 347 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:14,520 It smelled good. 348 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:15,920 I could smell my grandmother. 349 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:18,320 I could smell the earth. 350 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:22,240 I could, from a far away, I could smell the flowers that were there. 351 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:25,080 And the sunlight was just perfect. 352 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:29,800 Everything is perfect there as far as that all goes. 353 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:31,920 So you're seeing colors in what? 354 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:33,120 Are you seeing the sky? 355 00:21:33,120 --> 00:21:34,840 Are you seeing a landscape? 356 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:43,880 The sky, the grass, the flowers, the trees, the vibrancy of all of it was incomparable. 357 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:46,080 Like I said, I'm a retired landscaper. 358 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:50,040 I grew up to work with all those materials. 359 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:53,320 I could never match that site that day. 360 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:58,720 It's hard to explain to people what something's like if they've never experienced it. 361 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:01,600 It's hard because you're going, oh yeah, whatever. 362 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:04,040 But it changes you. 363 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:08,360 It changes the way you feel about, right, darn near everything. 364 00:22:08,360 --> 00:22:10,560 I'm not afraid to die. 365 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:13,600 I, you know, I look forward to it. 366 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:18,480 If you can say that, you know, I know it's not going to be a scary place. 367 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:20,960 It's going to be a place we go to be with our family. 368 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:22,960 They're going to be there to get us. 369 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:24,800 They're going to be there to get you. 370 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:26,680 Tell me more about Grandma. 371 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:29,880 You said she looked different in what way. 372 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:30,880 She did. 373 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:35,280 It wasn't like you could see the full face. 374 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:43,040 It was, you know, there was a face there somewhere, but you just couldn't quite make it out. 375 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:45,440 But I could see her eyes. 376 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:47,800 All I could see was her eyes. 377 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:50,680 And when I heard her voice, I knew it was her. 378 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:55,200 And with that voice came her smell, what she smelled like. 379 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:57,360 I think it reassured me. 380 00:22:57,360 --> 00:22:59,760 It let me know for sure it was her. 381 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:01,400 Okay, I appreciate it. 382 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:03,680 I know you can't go any deeper. 383 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:06,760 So, so we will move on. 384 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:11,680 How has this, you said this changed your life, that you've found a purpose. 385 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:14,600 Give me an idea of what some of those things are. 386 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:24,560 I knew I needed to make the world a prettier place and to take care of animals and to just 387 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:29,200 be a better person, be a kinder person. 388 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:32,600 I always had an affinity for animals. 389 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:40,000 Animals have always been drawn to me from, you know, little bitty right on up, all except 390 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:41,160 for that buffalo. 391 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:44,400 That wasn't a good deal. 392 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:49,960 But other than that, even wild animals, you know, just don't seem to be afraid of me. 393 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:54,520 You know, you always have to have a, especially when you're interacting with wild animals 394 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:56,040 and wolves and stuff. 395 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:59,120 You have to have a healthy respect for them. 396 00:23:59,120 --> 00:24:02,680 If you're afraid, they're gonna sense that fear. 397 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:06,520 And because you admit, you know, a smell when you're afraid. 398 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:09,840 I mean, a lot of people don't believe in that, but you do. 399 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:14,920 You literally admit an odor that they can smell. 400 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:16,880 All right. 401 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:20,760 You've already told me of no fear of death, which takes away one of the questions that 402 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:22,560 I often ask people. 403 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:25,880 So thanks a lot for stealing my thunder. 404 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:27,760 Tell me a little bit about the book. 405 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:32,720 Because we get all kinds of people on here that write books about their near-death experience. 406 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:35,000 It's a great way for them to share it. 407 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:36,880 That's not what your book is about. 408 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:38,400 Tell us about it. 409 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:41,160 Well, I'm a little bit Cherokee Indian. 410 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:45,680 I'm actually a Cherokee citizen, recent Cherokee citizen. 411 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:49,960 I just got my citizenship about last October, October of 23. 412 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:53,440 And I'm, you know, of course, very proud of that. 413 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:58,560 My ancestry was hidden from me until I was around 12 years old. 414 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:01,040 And I, I'm a dreamer. 415 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:07,600 I've always had very vivid dreams and sometimes they're so vivid, I think they're real. 416 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:14,560 There's been times that I have difficulty discerning what was a dream and what was real 417 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:16,880 after, you know, you wake up. 418 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:21,560 I kept having a repetitive dream about a Native American woman standing on top of the 419 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:25,200 hill and she's looking down at a valley. 420 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:30,560 And in that valley, you can see, you know, dwellings, Native American dwellings. 421 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:36,400 And after the second time I had the dream, I said to my mom, I said, I keep having this 422 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:38,280 dream. 423 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:41,480 And she said, oh, well, that's interesting. 424 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:47,080 About the fourth time I had the same exact dream, I went to her and I said, Ma, I keep 425 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:49,160 having the same dream. 426 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:53,440 I've had it like four or five times down my, why am I having this dream? 427 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:54,840 She was all right. 428 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:56,840 You're Cherokee Indian. 429 00:25:56,840 --> 00:26:00,240 And don't you tell a soul, don't you tell a soul? 430 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:05,920 I said, oh my gosh, it's like these click, click, click, click up. 431 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:06,920 Whoa. 432 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:12,120 Cause about that time I had learned it, not everybody saw ghosts, not everybody felt 433 00:26:12,120 --> 00:26:20,120 presences, not everybody had my precognition and so on and so forth. 434 00:26:20,120 --> 00:26:21,120 I said, oh, okay. 435 00:26:21,120 --> 00:26:23,120 So I absolutely, I went to school the next day. 436 00:26:23,120 --> 00:26:25,040 I told anybody that would listen. 437 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:27,840 I was Cherokee Indian that I'm not Italian. 438 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:29,840 It was, oh, you must be Italian. 439 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:30,840 I don't know. 440 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:32,240 I don't know what we are. 441 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,840 Scotch and Irish is all I know. 442 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:41,320 So anyways, Scotch, Irish and Indian, a dozen other secret ingredients, don't you know? 443 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:44,200 So how did you write a book about your seventh great grandmother? 444 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,800 Where did you find research for this? 445 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:52,600 Well, what happened was, was as soon as I found out I was Cherokee, I went to my grandpa 446 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:58,760 and I said, why haven't you ever told me that you are Cherokee Indian? 447 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:03,600 He says, well, you know, Debra, he says, you know, we had a really hard time. 448 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:07,080 They killed off a lot of our family. 449 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:12,560 They locked us up on a reservation in the middle of nowhere where we were not meant 450 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,920 to thrive or survive. 451 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:20,560 He goes, and the reason, you know, that I don't talk about it is he says, because if 452 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:25,400 the United States government declares war on us again, I got to go back to that reservation 453 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:26,400 and let it. 454 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:27,400 I have no choice. 455 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:32,440 He says, so I've held it secret for a long time since we moved to Ohio. 456 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:38,440 I figured nobody needed to know we were Native American because I lived prejudice. 457 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:42,200 Your mother, I didn't want that for my kids. 458 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:45,920 And at that point, he started telling me stories. 459 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:51,920 So my grandfather was telling me the stories about his mother, his father, and his famous 460 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:53,480 grandmother. 461 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:55,520 He called her Nani all the time. 462 00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:57,000 He just called her Nani. 463 00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:03,920 And he said Nani was famous and that she worked to help save the people and that she did great 464 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:08,000 things in her lifetime and that she was a sensitive. 465 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:14,440 Basically, he said, you know, she had the gift of sight and would tell me these stories 466 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:16,880 about Nani. 467 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:18,360 He never called her Nancy Ward. 468 00:28:18,360 --> 00:28:24,400 He always called her Nani or Nani, and which he used as like a grandmother word. 469 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:30,680 At some juncture, I just felt that it was important for him to tell me these stories. 470 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,640 And I'd have him say, tell me these stories again, Grandma. 471 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:35,000 Tell me the stories again. 472 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:40,720 So he repetitively told me those stories of his grandmother. 473 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:47,640 And then when I was just on my way through Oklahoma to my way to Texas, I stopped there 474 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:55,200 and in the Okmogi area and broken arrow and met my other aunts and uncles. 475 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,280 And they told me more stories. 476 00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:03,960 So it's like, you know, how you just put things away in your brain and you think, you know, 477 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:09,560 these stories, you know, are important to me, but my brother wasn't interested in our 478 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:11,400 ancestry. 479 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:13,480 My mother most certainly was not. 480 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:14,480 She was. 481 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:19,160 I hate to say it, but sometimes I felt like she was ashamed, you know, and then there's 482 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:21,560 me, you know, all proud and happy about it. 483 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:23,040 So she was very famous. 484 00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:24,560 Oh my gosh, yeah. 485 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:29,920 Would you call this book strictly historical or is it more of a historical novel? 486 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:36,440 It is a kind of like a biography in a lot of ways. 487 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:42,800 Like I said, I'm telling things that were passed down in my family for generations, as 488 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:48,520 well as what I could glean, you know, from from white man's literature and so on and 489 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:49,520 so forth. 490 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:54,320 So it's actually historical fiction, which I had to do. 491 00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:59,800 Never one because the Smithsonian got me thinking and then I talked to my attorney and he said, 492 00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:05,520 well, just to be on the safe side, you are going to go historical fiction. 493 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:06,520 It's fine with me. 494 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:07,520 I don't care. 495 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,320 So as long as this story is out there, I don't care. 496 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:11,320 Yeah. 497 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:13,680 I want to ask you one final question. 498 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:21,280 You've lived a life full of adventure and learning and some really hard experiences and well 499 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:22,280 as well. 500 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:27,280 Do you have any last thoughts or message that you'd like to leave our listeners? 501 00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:32,480 I'd love to be able to give people some kind of nice breath of hope today. 502 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:33,480 Don't give up. 503 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:35,440 Just don't give up. 504 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:40,520 We all endure pain and I've been part of it a lot on you. 505 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:49,160 I've as a spiritualist, as a portal person, as somebody that's seen the other side and 506 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:50,280 not afraid of it. 507 00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:57,040 I've wanted to go several times with my own help and the pain that we feel when we're 508 00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:01,920 at our lowest, you just, it's so hard to see past. 509 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:08,480 You cannot imagine that in two days, three days, three weeks, three months, three years 510 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:12,760 that you're not going to feel that pain that makes you want to go. 511 00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:13,760 Hang on. 512 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:19,520 Work your way through those times that you don't feel like you belong here because you 513 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:20,520 do. 514 00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:21,520 You do. 515 00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:24,200 We belong here until the Lord calls us home. 516 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:30,440 I made promises after my last attempt to never, to try to go again. 517 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:36,640 And I've lived up to that promise even though there's days that I wanted to go so bad and 518 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:40,840 I beg God, please, please, please, please take me home. 519 00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:42,280 I just want to be with you. 520 00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:43,280 I want peace. 521 00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:45,600 I don't want any more hurt. 522 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:47,520 No more hurt. 523 00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:57,160 And I remember after one time I took off running and I took off running barefoot and I went 524 00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:02,000 probably a good half a mile barefooted on a stone road. 525 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:07,920 In the days and weeks following that, of course, I was in a lot of pain because my feet were 526 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:11,000 completely bruised from running on rocks. 527 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:17,000 And as clear as day, I heard the Lord say, be thankful that you can feel that pain. 528 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,440 Don't ever do it again. 529 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:26,800 And he has brought me through times that I just didn't think anybody could survive. 530 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:30,480 I've had one of those lives like Nancy Ward had. 531 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,320 You have tried to kill me multiple times. 532 00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:36,520 And I don't know why because I'm really a decent person. 533 00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:37,960 You know, I won't say I'm the greatest person. 534 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,360 I'm a decent person. 535 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:42,960 And people have wanted me different. 536 00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:50,880 You know, it is hard sometimes to wrap your brain around not only my wanting myself gone, 537 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:56,840 but that somebody else would want me gone when I did nothing but try to help them and 538 00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,160 make their lives better. 539 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:04,960 So hang on, hang on even through those tough times because God has a purpose for you. 540 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:06,960 Well, Deborah, thanks so much. 541 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,360 And let me ask you one quick thing. 542 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:14,080 Someday in the future, will you introduce me to your grandmother? 543 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:15,080 She sounds awesome. 544 00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,720 Oh, I wish I could. 545 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:19,320 I wish I could. 546 00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:20,320 You'll be able to. 547 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:21,320 We will. 548 00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:23,400 We'll all come in together one day. 549 00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:24,400 That's right. 550 00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:25,400 We'll be amazing. 551 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:27,200 We'll be amazing and be beautiful. 552 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:28,200 Thanks for being on the show. 553 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:31,200 Thank you, Eric. 554 00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:34,000 Thanks again for listening and sharing this podcast. 555 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:40,080 Don't forget to hit the follow or subscribe button and sign up for our newsletter at roundtriptest.com. 556 00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:44,360 If you want to share your near-death 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