1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:08,400 From the time that they pronounced me deaf was a good 45 minutes. 2 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:13,440 They cut my clothes and then they paddled my heart, my heart had stopped. 3 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:18,120 And I could see people screaming and crying, but I didn't realize that was actually my 4 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:21,320 physical body because I was somewhere else. 5 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:27,400 The only thing that I could feel, if you could imagine, absolute love and peace, there wasn't 6 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:29,400 anything else to be felt. 7 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:32,560 I was greeted by people I'd known in the past. 8 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:34,240 I'm back home again. 9 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:39,240 Incredibly safe and felt at home. 10 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:43,560 Welcome to Round Trip Death, everybody, and welcome to Cat Sanders. 11 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:45,040 It's good to have you on, Cat. 12 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:46,480 Thank you so much. 13 00:00:46,480 --> 00:00:48,760 Does Cat stand for something, by the way? 14 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:49,760 Kathleen. 15 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:50,760 Okay. 16 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:51,760 I like Cat. 17 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:55,800 If you call me Kathleen, I think I'm in trouble, you know, because that's what Mom always 18 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:56,800 called me. 19 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:57,800 Kathleen? 20 00:00:57,800 --> 00:00:59,920 Is it something like that? 21 00:00:59,920 --> 00:01:03,520 Yeah, then I think I did something wrong. 22 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:10,120 Well, I appreciate that you reached out to me a while back and we've had a chance to 23 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:15,000 chat and we're going to hear your whole story with all the detail today. 24 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:20,240 But before we do, do you mind telling us just a little bit about you? 25 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:21,720 Anything you feel like sharing? 26 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:22,720 Sure. 27 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:26,360 Well, I guess you'd say I'm a senior. 28 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:29,720 That means I'm just more experienced than most, right? 29 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:35,320 I have a son and a stepdaughter that I love very, very much. 30 00:01:35,320 --> 00:01:42,000 I'm married and been married for a long time, 34 years. 31 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:43,600 I've got your beak. 32 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:46,800 Yeah, it's a long time. 33 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:47,800 It is. 34 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:50,040 I'm going very well. 35 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:53,160 I live in Oceanside, California. 36 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:55,600 And you know, I have a lot of hobbies. 37 00:01:55,600 --> 00:02:01,680 I've been in real estate for a really long time, but I also have a lot of hobbies and 38 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:02,680 things. 39 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:05,360 I actually do these days. 40 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:08,080 I do some mediumship work. 41 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:09,800 I like to do crafts. 42 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:11,200 I make jewelry. 43 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:18,840 I love rocks and things and gemstones and such, and I make my own. 44 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:20,680 What am I looking at around your neck there? 45 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:22,180 Is that an opal? 46 00:02:22,180 --> 00:02:23,680 It's a moonstone. 47 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:24,680 Moonstone. 48 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:25,680 Wow. 49 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:28,160 When did you go to the moon? 50 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:31,000 Sorry, bad horrible joke. 51 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:34,120 Please edit that out, somebody. 52 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:39,640 Let's go back to a rough day that you had in April of 2010. 53 00:02:39,640 --> 00:02:43,520 Tell me what was going on in your life and what was happening that day. 54 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:48,240 It was actually, it started off to be just a beautiful day. 55 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:49,240 Started in the morning. 56 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:56,440 Went to the board of realtors and had, you know, training that I was doing with my husband 57 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:57,440 that day. 58 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:01,880 We probably did, we had probably, I don't know, a couple hundred people that came to 59 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:05,920 our training that day, and it went very well. 60 00:03:05,920 --> 00:03:10,600 So it was, you know, just your average day, maybe a above average day. 61 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:11,600 It was a great day. 62 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:12,960 I felt great. 63 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:18,480 I had a lunch with an agent that worked for me, and we had a great lunch. 64 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:21,280 And I had another meeting that day. 65 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:23,000 I went home in the afternoon. 66 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:24,880 I was going to kind of freshen up. 67 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:28,080 I had another late afternoon meeting. 68 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:31,000 And when I went home, I took a shower. 69 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:36,640 I was going to just kind of refresh and get, get ready for my late afternoon meeting. 70 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:40,040 And my husband happened to be coming home. 71 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:43,200 He also had a late afternoon meeting. 72 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:49,280 And I was very, very glad he was home as it turned out, because after I got out of the 73 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:55,680 shower and I was heading into the bedroom to change my clothes, I had this horrific 74 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:57,520 pain in my head. 75 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:04,080 In fact, it felt like somebody had just taken a knife and just stabbed me in the head. 76 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:08,120 I literally felt my head to see if, if there was something in it. 77 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:13,640 Yeah, had you had any history of this problem, this kind of headache before? 78 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:16,680 You know, I had, I had suffered migraines all my life. 79 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:21,400 In fact, even as a child, I had migraines. 80 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:27,000 And I had what they called fainting spells as a, as a young child. 81 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:32,280 They just thought, you know, it was psychological or, you know, nobody ever really knows what 82 00:04:32,280 --> 00:04:33,280 causes migraines. 83 00:04:33,280 --> 00:04:39,080 It's just some people have them and some people don't, but nothing had ever been diagnosed 84 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:40,080 before. 85 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:44,720 So no, there was, you know, nothing that I was aware of. 86 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:48,000 So stabbing headache, but this one's different. 87 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:49,000 This one was different. 88 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:56,480 In fact, I said to my husband, my head hurts really bad and I'm scared. 89 00:04:56,480 --> 00:05:01,240 And he knew that I had a history of migraines and to him for me to say that, because I'm, 90 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:04,200 I'm not a wuss when it comes to pain. 91 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:10,880 I'd had enough migraines in my days that he got really scared when I said that. 92 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:15,720 I stepped over towards the bed to sit down. 93 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:22,040 And all of a sudden I realized that my, my legs weren't working the way I wanted them 94 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:23,040 to. 95 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:28,880 And, you know, I'm telling my body to do something and it's not cooperating. 96 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:30,760 And it was, it was frightening. 97 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:33,120 It was really, really frightening. 98 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:37,600 And I knew something very serious was wrong. 99 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:44,200 And the next thing I knew, I just was numb everywhere and I just, I couldn't move. 100 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:48,480 I couldn't do what I was wanting to do. 101 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:50,760 And everything started getting fuzzy. 102 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:52,120 My sight was fuzzy. 103 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:54,920 My, my hearing was fuzzy. 104 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:59,160 I just felt numb and horrible. 105 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:06,080 And then I went from being able to see kind of fuzzy to everything went dark and everything 106 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:07,640 just went black. 107 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:11,560 And it was almost like, you know, if you see a camera lens where it's kind of circular 108 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:16,440 and it just kind of closes, that's what happened. 109 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:20,360 Everything just closed and went to black. 110 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:24,120 And that was like the last thing that I remember. 111 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:25,920 So you passed out at that point. 112 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:26,920 Yeah. 113 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:28,640 I just went to black. 114 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:29,640 Okay. 115 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:37,080 Now my husband tells me I completely just crashed and fell to the floor. 116 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:42,840 He was running in from the other room and kind of caught me part way as I was falling 117 00:06:42,840 --> 00:06:48,000 to the floor so that I didn't hit my head or hurt myself. 118 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:52,240 But he said I just went completely limp and just crashed to the floor. 119 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:53,240 Okay. 120 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:56,800 So I assume an ambulance came and took you away to the hospital. 121 00:06:56,800 --> 00:06:57,800 Then what? 122 00:06:57,800 --> 00:06:58,800 He called 911. 123 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:05,000 In fact, it was kind of interesting because, you know, again, from his account, he called 124 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:12,320 911, the fire, the fire people came and the ambulance people came and they were trying 125 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:17,240 to ask me questions and I was completely non responsive. 126 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:22,240 The EMT from the ambulance, they had kind of given up on me. 127 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:25,760 They said, you know, I don't even think we should take her. 128 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:31,320 The people from the fire department were saying, we need to take her. 129 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:33,320 We need to take her now. 130 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:40,360 And the EMT from the ambulance said, I don't know that it would do any good. 131 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:43,280 They said we'd have to carry her downstairs. 132 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:46,320 And the fireman said, we'll carry her downstairs. 133 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:47,320 Yeah. 134 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:48,560 I hate to put them out. 135 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:49,560 Yeah. 136 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:51,400 Gee, so sorry for you. 137 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:53,600 So sorry to bother you. 138 00:07:53,600 --> 00:08:00,560 But really, they had just for whatever reason decided that it was just a waste of time. 139 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:05,400 So were they not, you know, shocking you and doing CPR and everything? 140 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:07,720 They just were like, she's already gone? 141 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:15,000 They just apparently, I guess my heart was still going, but I was like, I was in a coma. 142 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:21,240 And I don't know if they knew what was happening or not, but they, you know, I was so completely 143 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:22,600 non responsive. 144 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:27,400 They just didn't think it was worth their time. 145 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:28,400 But your heart's beating. 146 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:29,800 I don't get that at all. 147 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:32,320 Oh, well, we're not here to judge them. 148 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:33,320 Yeah. 149 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:35,240 Let's, let's keep going. 150 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:41,400 Well the fireman, thankfully, carried me downstairs and put me in the ambulance. 151 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:43,880 And my husband followed the ambulance. 152 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:47,800 They didn't even turn on lights and sirens, but they slowly drove me. 153 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:55,040 They took me to Kaiser, which was, which was, you know, where I had the insurance and part 154 00:08:55,040 --> 00:09:01,080 way there, apparently I flatlined and they started doing, at that point they started 155 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:02,760 doing CPR. 156 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:04,840 Then they turned on the lights, by the way. 157 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:05,840 Oh, good. 158 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:09,720 By the time I got there, I was, I was flatlined. 159 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:10,720 Wow. 160 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:19,920 They took over at the hospital with the CPR and took me in and the wonderful doctor at 161 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:26,760 Kaiser, he, he knew right away that it was a brain hemorrhage. 162 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:31,920 I don't know if he could look in my eyes and tell, I don't know how a doctor can look 163 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:36,040 at someone and just know what's happening, but he knew. 164 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:41,680 They basically drilled a hole in my head to let the pressure be released, revived me at 165 00:09:41,680 --> 00:09:42,680 that point. 166 00:09:42,680 --> 00:09:49,280 Anyway, they, they got my heart going again and relieved the pressure. 167 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:55,040 Apparently there was so much swelling on my brain that it moved my brain and almost broke 168 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:57,680 my brain away from the brainstem. 169 00:09:57,680 --> 00:09:59,040 It was that much blood. 170 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:00,720 That would have been permanent. 171 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:03,200 Well, that would have been death. 172 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:05,560 And then what was your recovery like? 173 00:10:05,560 --> 00:10:10,000 Well they sent me to the county hospital. 174 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:12,760 That's where they had the brain surgery team. 175 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:18,400 Apparently they had been a, there had been a gang shooting in the county and someone 176 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:19,960 had been shot in the head. 177 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:23,960 And so that's where the brain surgery team was. 178 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:27,000 So they called and said, we need to send her there. 179 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:32,200 And they said, we don't have room, you know, MS 13 gang members and we've got, we're full 180 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:38,400 up and my wonderful emergency room doctor said, this is a life worth saving. 181 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:39,720 We need to send her. 182 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:41,520 This is her only chance. 183 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:44,540 And they still said, we just don't have room. 184 00:10:44,540 --> 00:10:49,280 So the doctor sent me anyway and I went by ambulance to the county hospital. 185 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:54,840 So they, you know, had to take me in and they basically just sat me on a gurney in the, in 186 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:55,840 the hallway. 187 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:58,160 And you're still unconscious, right? 188 00:10:58,160 --> 00:10:59,160 Still in a coma. 189 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:00,160 Okay. 190 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:08,080 So I sat on a gurney there and the brain surgery team was in with the, the gang member that 191 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:09,960 had been shot in the head. 192 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:16,400 And as they were there with him ready to operate, the gang member died. 193 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:21,080 So there they were ready for surgery, all prepped, ready to go. 194 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:23,320 And they had no one to operate on. 195 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:24,320 So guess what? 196 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:25,320 I was here. 197 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:28,620 I was sitting in the hallway needing an operation. 198 00:11:28,620 --> 00:11:31,800 So they said, well, bring her in. 199 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:38,440 So they brought me in and they basically, they did what's called a craniotomy. 200 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:42,000 That's where they, they basically cut you all the way open. 201 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:44,160 They take part of your skull off. 202 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:49,640 They had dug in, they took out about a golf ball size part of my brain to where they 203 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:58,600 found what's called an AVM, an arteriovenous malformation, which means I had a birth defect 204 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:06,240 when I was born, basically, or as I was being formed, you have an artery and then you have 205 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:09,840 a vein and then you have a capillary at the end. 206 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:16,680 Well I had the artery and the vein, but no capillary on five veins. 207 00:12:16,680 --> 00:12:24,560 So I had a mass in my brain that never got fully, you know, fully formed. 208 00:12:24,560 --> 00:12:30,880 And so it never had the blood in that part of the brain correctly, which is why apparently 209 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:36,600 I had the migraines and these fainting spells, as the doctor explained later, were probably 210 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:37,960 seizures. 211 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:45,040 But back in the 60s, and there I go dating myself, they called them fainting spells. 212 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:49,720 I did have a speech impediment as a child that I had to work through. 213 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:56,040 And they said that's probably from this AVM that I had that was never diagnosed. 214 00:12:56,040 --> 00:13:00,400 Most people with an AVM in the brain just die when it bursts. 215 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:06,240 So at some point along all of this happening, did you have what we call a near-death experience 216 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:09,840 where you had an experience going to the spirit world? 217 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:11,800 And if so, tell us about that. 218 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:12,800 No. 219 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:15,720 It was magnificent. 220 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:24,120 I went to the most beautiful place beyond beautiful that you could ever imagine. 221 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:28,360 Now to me, it was the most beautiful place. 222 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:35,960 And I believe that everyone that has this experience and I believe everyone that passes 223 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:40,760 goes to their most magnificent place. 224 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:49,280 So for me, it was, well, the best way I can describe it would be kind of like a park, 225 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:52,760 only no park you could ever imagine. 226 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:56,080 It was, again, so difficult to describe. 227 00:13:56,080 --> 00:14:00,560 I'll try to describe it in words that you could imagine on earth. 228 00:14:00,560 --> 00:14:01,560 Yeah. 229 00:14:01,560 --> 00:14:04,200 Were there plants, colors, water? 230 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:06,200 Tell us everything. 231 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:07,200 Yes. 232 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:14,480 Like a grass, like at a park, like a grass, with the most gorgeous, I'm going to describe 233 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:17,920 it like an oak tree, but perfect. 234 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:23,360 Everything, every blade of grass was immaculately mowed. 235 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:28,480 There was not a blade of grass that had any deterioration on it. 236 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:34,160 The oak tree was so beautiful and magnificent. 237 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:45,080 No deterioration on any leaf, but just perfection and yet not unreal, just very, and very alive. 238 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:50,120 And when you go to a place like this, you feel like you're one with it, you're part 239 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:51,480 of it. 240 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:57,520 The sky was the most beautiful color, not a color that we would have here. 241 00:14:57,520 --> 00:15:03,040 And it felt like the sky was, here you don't feel the sky. 242 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:07,760 You don't feel the air, but there you feel. 243 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:12,120 You feel, I don't want to say it felt like Jello because Jello's sticky and yucky, but 244 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:14,920 it had a substance to it. 245 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:17,080 You could just feel it. 246 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:22,680 And I think if you've ever heard of anyone that talked about going to the other side, 247 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:30,240 they feel about the sensation of being like wrapped in a blanket of absolute unconditional 248 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:31,800 love. 249 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:32,920 And I felt that. 250 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:40,880 I felt like I was completely forgiven and completely loved. 251 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:46,520 And it just felt so magnificent and wonderful. 252 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:51,360 And I mean, the best feeling you could ever feel times a thousand. 253 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:54,880 So is there anything on this earth that even compares to it? 254 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:55,880 No. 255 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:56,880 Okay. 256 00:15:56,880 --> 00:15:57,880 Not even close. 257 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:03,000 And you, were you hearing, smelling anything else besides what you saw? 258 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:04,000 Yeah. 259 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:11,160 I was hearing, you know, once you arrive and you're so overwhelmed with the feeling of 260 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:13,840 just pure love. 261 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:20,080 And I felt as though I was in the presence of God. 262 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:25,960 And God in the sense of God, Source, Universe, you can't describe it. 263 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:28,200 I've been asked, was it Jesus? 264 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:29,200 Was it God? 265 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:30,200 Yeah. 266 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:32,680 Everything, everything. 267 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:36,040 I heard music and that makes sense to me. 268 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:43,640 Again, I really feel like we get our own customized, you know, experience. 269 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:46,280 And for me, yeah, I'm very musical. 270 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:50,360 I studied voice and music for years. 271 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:52,960 And so of course it had music. 272 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:57,080 My heaven, my experience would have music. 273 00:16:57,080 --> 00:17:01,400 Angels singing is the way I would describe it. 274 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:05,440 Just a harmonic, beautiful sound. 275 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:10,240 And I heard, I mean, yes, birds singing and angels singing. 276 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:13,160 It was, it was all at once. 277 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:19,920 And I felt the presence of, I felt the presence of animals. 278 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:23,640 And I felt the presence of people. 279 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:25,560 And I felt the presence of God. 280 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:30,760 And you feel as though you are one with all of it. 281 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:37,160 And what appeared in front of me at that point was this pathway, you know, kind of a winding 282 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:38,920 pathway. 283 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:39,920 And it was white. 284 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:41,760 It was pure white. 285 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:47,160 It was the most white you've ever seen, like a, like a bright light, so bright that you 286 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:51,920 would think it would hurt your eyes, but instead it was soft and loving. 287 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:57,240 And I knew that all I had to do was walk down that path just a little bit and I would be 288 00:17:57,240 --> 00:17:59,280 here forever. 289 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:01,840 And that's what I wanted. 290 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:04,960 I learned some things while I was there. 291 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:09,560 I got a little bit of what I would consider a life lesson. 292 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:18,680 I learned that a few of the things that I had learned while I was on earth in my life 293 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:20,560 were not correct. 294 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:28,440 Some things I had learned, let's say from church, I learned, you know, I grew up Baptist 295 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:34,040 and I was taught that certain other religions were wrong. 296 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:41,080 And I was taught that it's embarrassing for me to say these things, but I'm open to share 297 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:42,080 them. 298 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:45,880 And so if you're okay with my sharing them, yeah, go right ahead. 299 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:46,880 Okay. 300 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:52,600 I had learned through church to be a little bit judgmental. 301 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:59,840 I had learned that if you were, if you were a Mormon, you were a member of a cult. 302 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:06,800 And I learned in this place that that was wrong to judge anyone and it was wrong to 303 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:08,280 believe those things. 304 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:15,160 I learned that if you were gay, that you were sinning and I learned to stop judging people, 305 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:19,640 that you need to love everyone and stop judging. 306 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:26,280 I learned that I needed to stop judging people based on their culture. 307 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:34,360 My father had been the teacher and principal at a school where I grew up in San Jose. 308 00:19:34,360 --> 00:19:40,720 That was, I'm going to say 97% farm workers from Mexico. 309 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:46,680 And we traveled, I'm going to say most summers, we traveled down to Mexico because he wanted 310 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:53,640 to learn the culture and the language so that he could best work with his students. 311 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:56,760 And on those trips, we had some very bad experiences. 312 00:19:56,760 --> 00:20:00,920 We were held up at gunpoint at one point. 313 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:11,360 And another time we had a bad policeman pull us over and take my sister and I buy the hair 314 00:20:11,360 --> 00:20:16,200 and threaten to throw us into these cages with these bad people if my dad didn't pay 315 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:17,840 him off. 316 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:21,360 And so we had some bad experiences there. 317 00:20:21,360 --> 00:20:24,600 And I did not like the culture. 318 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:32,760 And I learned that you need to look beyond culture, beyond, you know, I never had any 319 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:36,040 issues with certain races. 320 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:40,920 I've never been that way, but I did have issues with certain cultures. 321 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:46,160 And I learned to look into someone's eyes and see their soul. 322 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:49,240 Look beyond race. 323 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:51,600 Look beyond culture. 324 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:53,840 Look at their soul. 325 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:57,200 And I've been able to practice that since I've been back. 326 00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:02,560 But I learned some of my faults, some of my weaknesses. 327 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:06,400 And I was given sort of a life lesson while I was there. 328 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:07,400 It was beautiful. 329 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:09,040 Let me ask you this. 330 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:10,320 You learned a lot. 331 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:16,920 Was it somebody there teaching you, talking to you, or did it just all come to you somehow? 332 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:22,960 It just came in as visions, as lessons. 333 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:27,600 There was so much information just being downloaded into me. 334 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:31,720 I saw that, you know, there was a line of people. 335 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:37,400 And I always thought that, you know, Jewish people had kind of a head start on us. 336 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:42,240 They kind of were at the beginning of the line because they had this blessing of being 337 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:43,760 Jewish. 338 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:48,160 And I thought, you know, they kind of went to the front of the line and I saw that there 339 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:50,000 is no line. 340 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:53,440 No one has the front of the line. 341 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:55,880 Everyone is in a group. 342 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:59,200 No one is higher than anyone else. 343 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:00,880 We're all together. 344 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:02,880 We are all one. 345 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:09,040 It was just a beautiful message and lesson being downloaded into me. 346 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:10,200 This is right. 347 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:11,320 This is wrong. 348 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:13,680 This is the way that it is. 349 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:17,720 We are all about love. 350 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:21,760 Everything is about loving each other. 351 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:25,520 And it was just beautiful messages being downloaded. 352 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:27,760 These are the things you need to know. 353 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:31,640 These are the messages that you need to receive. 354 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:37,640 And then I went back to this sidewalk, basically this white light. 355 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:43,400 And that's when I realized all I need to do is take a step forward and I'll be here 356 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:44,400 forever. 357 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:46,360 How did you not take that step? 358 00:22:46,360 --> 00:22:48,360 Oh, I tried. 359 00:22:48,360 --> 00:22:49,360 Okay. 360 00:22:49,360 --> 00:22:51,920 Believe me, I tried. 361 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:58,400 And just as I started to take that step forward, my father appeared in front of me. 362 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:06,280 My father had passed, say, 10 to 12 years before and he appeared right in front of me. 363 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:07,640 How did he look? 364 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:12,400 He looked young and healthy and just beautiful. 365 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:16,560 My father had a terrible illness. 366 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:22,560 When he passed, he was just a fraction of himself. 367 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:31,160 He had an illness that over the years had just taken so much away from him. 368 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:37,160 And he was in very, very bad shape when he passed physically. 369 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:43,560 He had passed from basically from leukemia, but he started with a blood disease, a blood 370 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:45,560 cancer. 371 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:50,080 And they had given him six months to live when I was in seventh grade. 372 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:52,160 And he fought through this. 373 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:55,360 And I was 40 years old when he passed. 374 00:23:55,360 --> 00:24:01,680 And by that time, he had had skin cancer that had taken as part of his nose. 375 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:06,960 And he was like 120 pounds when he passed. 376 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:13,880 When I saw him, I'm going to say he was closer to 30 years old, the way he looked. 377 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:15,640 And he was healthy. 378 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:18,760 And he had his award-winning smile. 379 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:24,640 And he was happy and just looked so healthy. 380 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:28,280 And when he appeared in front of me, I was so happy. 381 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:35,480 And I just went to give him this giant-sized hug and say, I'm here with you now forever. 382 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:37,320 And he kind of stopped me. 383 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:40,000 And he said, it's not your time. 384 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:43,360 You need to go back because you have more to do. 385 00:24:43,360 --> 00:24:49,480 And as sad as that made me, because I wanted more than anything, more than anything to 386 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:52,200 be there with him forever. 387 00:24:52,200 --> 00:25:00,200 And I still felt like, even though I was in this place, I still felt connected to my husband 388 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:05,960 and my son and all the people that were still alive. 389 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,920 And I felt connected to my father. 390 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:10,520 I could feel my mother. 391 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:12,760 I could feel my grandparents. 392 00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:16,640 I was connected with everything in this place. 393 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:23,120 So why would I want to go back when I was in this phenomenal place? 394 00:25:23,120 --> 00:25:32,160 But I felt source God, whatever you want to call it, and my father were saying, you need 395 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:33,160 to go back. 396 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,480 There's more for you to do. 397 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:38,000 That's not something you argue with. 398 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:45,680 If I am supposed to go back, if that's what my soul is supposed to do, if I'm on the 399 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:49,840 earth plane for a reason, I'm not going to argue with that. 400 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:56,000 Because as sad as that is, then that's what I'm supposed to do. 401 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,360 Did it actually make you feel sad? 402 00:25:58,360 --> 00:26:05,440 Or because I can't imagine feeling sadness with all of God's love and everything going 403 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:06,440 on. 404 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:08,720 Did the sadness maybe hit you later? 405 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:11,360 Or I don't know, explain. 406 00:26:11,360 --> 00:26:12,640 It's not really sad. 407 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:16,760 I guess I shouldn't say it's sad. 408 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:18,160 It's a giving in. 409 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:23,000 It's a, it was an okay, a determination. 410 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:25,440 Okay, then that's what I'll do. 411 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:30,200 If that's what is meant for me, then that's what I'll do. 412 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:36,320 So maybe not sad as much as a resolve of, okay, that's my job. 413 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:38,640 That's what I'm supposed to do. 414 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:43,720 Because you know now that this is where you end up. 415 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,720 And if this is where you end up, hallelujah. 416 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:51,320 Yeah, let's go back and just be patient for a little while. 417 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:56,720 And also I would think if you are not feeling like you're being judged. 418 00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,840 Let's just say maybe there's no judgment at all. 419 00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:02,440 Okay, in the spirit world. 420 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:09,200 Then if that's the case, how would you be judging while going back is not as good as 421 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:10,200 staying? 422 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:16,680 You know, the judgment might have been lessons that I learned, but there was no judgment. 423 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:20,080 And the lesson that I learned was don't judge. 424 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:24,160 It was done so wonderfully. 425 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:32,880 And yeah, and I was so, I was also so anxious to think, you know, being back on the earth 426 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:40,480 plane with the knowledge of where I'm going is a pretty cool thing too. 427 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:41,480 Absolutely. 428 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,680 You know, most people don't have that. 429 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:45,680 No. 430 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:50,680 And you actually, and I always ask people this, do you have a fear of death? 431 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:52,400 I know what you're going to say. 432 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,080 What do you think I'm going to say? 433 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:56,560 When it's time, I'm excited to go. 434 00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:58,720 I'm very excited to die. 435 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:00,800 I am not anxious. 436 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:07,040 There's no way I would end my life sooner because I'm here for a reason. 437 00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:12,080 And I don't know exactly what that reason is because you don't get that knowledge. 438 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:16,320 You get ideas, but you don't get that exact knowledge. 439 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:23,560 But I'll take every day, good, bad, or indifferent that I get because I know where I'm going 440 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:25,800 and I'm very excited about it. 441 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:26,800 Yeah. 442 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:28,480 Was there any more to it than that? 443 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:30,600 Or at that point, did it end? 444 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:39,960 At that point, it was the only extra little thing I got was some internal, you know, blessings 445 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:43,720 to you, we look forward to seeing you again. 446 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:51,120 And it was basically that little black, you know, camera lens closing back up and I was 447 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:52,120 back. 448 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:53,920 That is just beautiful. 449 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,760 I appreciate you sharing. 450 00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:58,600 What else do you want to tell us about it? 451 00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:04,080 Well, I've had some blessings that have come back with me. 452 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:05,400 They didn't start right away. 453 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:12,360 It took me six weeks in a coma to come back from the surgery and it was because it was 454 00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:20,040 an extensive surgery, I had to learn to feed myself again and walk again. 455 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:25,800 And, you know, it was, it was quite an ordeal coming back. 456 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:31,320 And then I started having some visions and some experiences. 457 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:39,240 And, you know, I guess once you've kind of crossed that veil and come back, the communications, 458 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:44,680 you know, between that side and this side are a little bit, a little crack in the window, 459 00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:46,840 a little bit left open. 460 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:54,720 And so I have had the ability to understand messages that have come back. 461 00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:59,040 So I do work with people that are grieving. 462 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:05,760 Maybe they're in hospice and I talk to them about how wonderful it is on the other side 463 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:10,360 and that life does not end when the body dies. 464 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:12,000 And that's, that's been a blessing. 465 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:18,880 And I think maybe that's part of the reason why I've been sent back is to help others 466 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:22,720 face the reality that the body dies. 467 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:29,800 But the blessing to know that it's okay because we're not disconnected with those people that 468 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:33,800 are still here and we get to watch over them. 469 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:39,000 We get to still be connected with them and be connected with everything else around us 470 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:43,720 and how beautiful, beautiful it is on that other side. 471 00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:48,720 So did you get a feeling just based on what you just said about being connected still? 472 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:54,560 Do you feel like your father specifically or others are watching over you now? 473 00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:55,640 And in what way? 474 00:30:55,640 --> 00:31:02,920 I have had conversations with my father since I've been back and with my mother. 475 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:04,160 And it's wonderful. 476 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:12,040 It's wonderful to be able to have those connections and to have that continued relationship even 477 00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:15,440 though I'm here and they're there. 478 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:23,440 You know, I may be even, I call these the drive-bys and I'll do something, have some 479 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:29,880 experience and I might get, as I'm walking down the street, I might get my dad come by 480 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:33,240 and just in my ear, I'll get at a girl. 481 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:39,240 I can literally hear his voice and I just love that. 482 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,520 It's just a wonderful thing. 483 00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:47,280 And to be able to talk to someone and say, yes, I can see your mother. 484 00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:53,840 I can see her there with you and I see that you had this that happened and she's telling 485 00:31:53,840 --> 00:32:01,000 me about this experience and to be able to say, your mother is still there with you. 486 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:09,320 And if you focus on it, if you pay attention, you can probably see her or hear her and feel 487 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:17,480 her presence and hopefully teach people that, that intuition, that ability to just quiet 488 00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:24,480 their mind and be able to experience that themselves because everyone has that ability. 489 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:28,720 It's just the fact that we don't quiet our mind and listen. 490 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:36,560 We don't pay attention to it because every one of us has the ability to feel and hear 491 00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:40,240 and connect with that other side. 492 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:44,840 We just don't pay attention to it because we're so bogged down with the here and now 493 00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:45,840 on earth. 494 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:47,680 It's a noisy world out there. 495 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:48,680 It really is. 496 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:49,680 It's so noisy. 497 00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:53,320 I mean, we just don't leave time for quiet. 498 00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:55,280 We've got the earbuds going. 499 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:56,680 We've got the radio. 500 00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:58,000 We've got podcasts. 501 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,360 We've got the 10 o'clock news. 502 00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:02,480 It's just busy all the time. 503 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:04,560 And that's unfortunate. 504 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:12,480 One thing that worries me in today's world, I believe that we experience what we expect 505 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:17,720 to experience in that place that I call the in between. 506 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:24,320 And that's that place that you go just before you cross over all the way. 507 00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:31,920 My experience was beautiful, fabulous, because I expected it to be that way. 508 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:35,280 Some people's experiences aren't that beautiful. 509 00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:38,440 They may be dark or empty. 510 00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:40,600 I've heard some very scary ones. 511 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:46,840 Yes, because they expect that because they don't have that belief that where they're 512 00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:50,800 going is going to be fabulous. 513 00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:57,080 And I see in today's society that there's so many people that don't. 514 00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:01,880 And I'm not saying everyone has to go to a church, has to do this, has to. 515 00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:09,520 Not everyone is meant to be a certain religion or certain, you know, go to a certain organized 516 00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:10,520 religion. 517 00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:12,960 It's not meant for everyone. 518 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:19,520 But if you don't have that positive feeling of where you're going to go, you may end up 519 00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:22,080 in that in between. 520 00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:30,600 And as someone who works with people who have, I don't know the easiest way to explain this, 521 00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:37,040 but there are souls who never go all the way over. 522 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:42,080 I know this because I help some of those souls cross over. 523 00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:49,840 There are souls who cling to the earth because they don't know that there's something fabulous 524 00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,600 for them on the other side. 525 00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:59,880 And these are souls who are afraid to cross over and everyone can have that wonderful 526 00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:00,880 experience. 527 00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:06,600 They're afraid of that love that's on the other side because they don't think they deserve 528 00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:07,600 it. 529 00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:16,000 Or they're so caught up in the physical experience of the earth that they think that's the best 530 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:17,000 that's out there. 531 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:20,160 And let me ask you to clarify some thoughts on this part. 532 00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:22,200 We're talking about crossing over. 533 00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:28,880 Are we talking about crossing over from somewhere around here to a quote, heaven, or to this 534 00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,640 in-between place that you were talking about? 535 00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:35,320 Were you in what you call the in-between place? 536 00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:36,320 Yes. 537 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:37,320 Okay. 538 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:38,320 Yes. 539 00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:43,160 People on this show, they try to describe where they've been. 540 00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:48,640 And because heaven is a term that we throw around in this life, do you believe that that's 541 00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:55,360 where they are or they are all in only a in-between kind of holding place like you were? 542 00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:59,160 Which did they see during their near-death experience? 543 00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:07,720 I believe that where I was was in the in-between that if I had taken that extra step, I would 544 00:36:07,720 --> 00:36:13,760 never have come back because I would have been permanently in heaven. 545 00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:23,960 And I believe that people go to that in-between place that is the experience of a heaven, 546 00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:25,720 but not all the way. 547 00:36:25,720 --> 00:36:33,760 If they experience an abyss or they experience it's because that's what they think they deserve. 548 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:37,600 That's where they, I do believe it is an in-between. 549 00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:42,480 You don't get to go all the way until you are all the way gone. 550 00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:48,160 And it would make sense that if people saw a place like you saw, they would call it heaven. 551 00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:50,120 Yes, they would. 552 00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:51,440 Absolutely. 553 00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,160 Even though there's something beyond that. 554 00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:55,160 Yes. 555 00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:56,360 Okay, I get it. 556 00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:57,720 That's my belief. 557 00:36:57,720 --> 00:37:00,360 And everybody has different beliefs. 558 00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:07,080 And I just, you know, I find it fascinating to hear from different people and also from 559 00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:09,080 different backgrounds. 560 00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:13,960 You know, like you say, this was a place that was heavenly to you. 561 00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:15,280 To me, it might be a beach. 562 00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:18,400 To somebody else, it might be a mountain. 563 00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:21,040 You know, who knows what that is, right? 564 00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:22,040 Yeah. 565 00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:24,960 And also for you, a heavenly place included your father. 566 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:25,960 Yes. 567 00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,880 So for somebody else, they're not going to see your father. 568 00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:33,120 They're going to see somebody that makes their place heavenly to them. 569 00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:40,320 And I believe everyone gets someone they care about to come and get them. 570 00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:44,920 Everyone has their own person that comes to get them. 571 00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:53,360 So how about people that say that they see Jesus or Buddha or somebody else in that place? 572 00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:55,760 Yes, because you all are greeted. 573 00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:56,760 Same thing. 574 00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:57,760 Same thing. 575 00:37:57,760 --> 00:37:58,760 Yeah. 576 00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:07,160 Because if they believe that there is Buddha, Jesus, then yes, they would see that. 577 00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:14,800 And there is no reason that Jesus, God, wouldn't greet them and allow them to come. 578 00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:15,800 Why not? 579 00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:18,360 And that doesn't make him any less real. 580 00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:20,200 No, of course not. 581 00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:22,440 Just because not everybody sees him. 582 00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:23,440 That's right. 583 00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:24,440 All right. 584 00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:28,000 I don't want to get too deep and too theological here, but I find this interesting. 585 00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:33,080 So we're going to wrap up here pretty quick, but you came back a different person. 586 00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:34,080 Everybody does. 587 00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:35,080 Yes. 588 00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:39,040 And I think you came back a better person, I assume. 589 00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:41,480 I was a complete workaholic before. 590 00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:42,480 Okay. 591 00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:43,680 And I'm not now. 592 00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:47,040 I'm more, I'm much more calm. 593 00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:48,640 I'm more loving. 594 00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:50,800 Tell me some of the ways that you changed. 595 00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:52,360 Calm, loving, what else? 596 00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:57,360 Yes, I am more forgiving, far less judgmental. 597 00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:06,280 I make it my point every day to smile at strangers to, I know that sounds simple, but wouldn't 598 00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:09,480 it be nice if we were all kind to each other? 599 00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:12,840 You know, little things, holding the door open for people. 600 00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,840 And it's not that I wasn't polite and kind before. 601 00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:23,240 I certainly was, but I really make it a point to say nice things to people I don't know 602 00:39:23,240 --> 00:39:29,520 about how they look or about, you know, people probably think I'm nuts and I don't care. 603 00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:35,480 To just make someone's day a little bit brighter as often as I can, because what I learned 604 00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:41,400 was that it's all about love and loving each other. 605 00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:48,960 And I just look through people into their soul and I just find that to be just beautiful. 606 00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:54,520 I just can see, you know, I just didn't give other people the time of day before really. 607 00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:55,920 I mean, I was polite. 608 00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:56,920 Yes. 609 00:39:56,920 --> 00:40:03,320 But I just now look at people and look at everyone and I look at their soul. 610 00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:10,440 I've had a couple of people recently who have emailed some comments in about the show saying 611 00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:14,360 like, I know they mean well, but it almost sounds a little derogatory. 612 00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:21,040 They say something like, it becomes such a love fest. 613 00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:25,240 For those people, this episode is going to be about times 10 on that scale. 614 00:40:25,240 --> 00:40:27,240 So hope you can deal with that. 615 00:40:27,240 --> 00:40:29,880 I, yeah, let them, let them be that way. 616 00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:30,880 Because you know what? 617 00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,500 I've been up there and it is a love fest. 618 00:40:33,500 --> 00:40:35,720 And that's what we're here for is to love each other. 619 00:40:35,720 --> 00:40:39,920 And I know that when we get back here, it's harder to do that. 620 00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:41,280 It is hard to do that. 621 00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:47,000 There are a lot of very unlovable people in this world and it's very hard for me to love 622 00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:50,160 people a lot of times. 623 00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:51,160 But you know what? 624 00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:55,760 That's what I'm here for because we need more love in this world because there's a lot 625 00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:56,760 of yuck. 626 00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:57,760 You know what? 627 00:40:57,760 --> 00:40:59,400 There's a lot of yuck. 628 00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:04,760 So I'm trying to do my part to have a little less yuck in the world and a little more love. 629 00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,080 So sue me. 630 00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:08,080 That's perfect. 631 00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:10,280 Yeah, thanks so much for being on with me today. 632 00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:11,480 Oh, you bet. 633 00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:12,480 Thank you for inviting me. 634 00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:14,240 And I love what you do. 635 00:41:14,240 --> 00:41:17,040 So there's my love. 636 00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:18,040 I love what you do. 637 00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:22,880 I really think that it brings out some really important things because people are afraid 638 00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:24,480 of death. 639 00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:29,360 And it's, you know, it's, it's 100% guaranteed that it's going to happen to every single one 640 00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:30,360 of us. 641 00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:31,360 So. 642 00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:32,360 Yeah. 643 00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:33,360 Some people, their death is a round trip. 644 00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:34,360 Most, it's not. 645 00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:35,360 Yeah. 646 00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:38,600 So if you had a round trip, eventually it's going to be a one-way ticket. 647 00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:39,600 It will be. 648 00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:40,600 And you know what? 649 00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:44,560 Let it be beautiful because it's going to be incredibly awesome. 650 00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:46,760 We just don't all know that yet. 651 00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:48,240 I know it. 652 00:41:48,240 --> 00:41:51,000 Looking forward to it, not anxious. 653 00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:52,000 Thanks again. 654 00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:55,680 Thank you so much. 655 00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:58,480 Thanks again for listening and sharing this podcast. 656 00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:04,560 Don't forget to hit the follow or subscribe button and sign up for our newsletter at roundtriptest.com. 657 00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:08,840 If you want to share your near death experience or if you have questions or comments about 658 00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:13,360 the show, send an email to Eric at roundtriptest.com. 659 00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:40,680 Until then, I wish you everything good that you're looking for in this life and the next.