1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:08,480 From the time that they pronounced me deaf was a good 45 minutes. 2 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:13,440 They cut my clothes and then they paddled my heart, my heart had stopped. 3 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:18,120 And I could see people screaming and crying, but I didn't realize that was actually my 4 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:21,320 physical body because I was somewhere else. 5 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:27,400 The only thing that I could feel, if you could imagine, absolute love and peace, there wasn't 6 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:29,400 anything else to be felt. 7 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:32,520 I was greeted by people I'd known in the past. 8 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:34,160 I'm back home again. 9 00:00:34,160 --> 00:00:38,560 Incredibly safe and felt at home. 10 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:44,560 Welcome to Round Trip Death, everybody, and to Michelle Claire down in beautiful Arizona. 11 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:46,960 What part of Arizona are you in, Michelle? 12 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:48,920 I'm in the Phoenix area. 13 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:51,400 Is it warm right now in the middle of winter? 14 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:54,720 Actually, right now it is rainy and 55 degrees. 15 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:56,760 So for us, that's a cold day. 16 00:00:56,760 --> 00:00:57,960 OK. 17 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:00,360 Well, this podcast is not about the weather. 18 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:02,840 So my quick apologies for that. 19 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:09,280 But before we talk about your three, everybody get ready, three near death experiences. 20 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:12,920 Tell us just a little bit about you so we can get to know you first. 21 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:13,920 Yeah. 22 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:15,560 So I was raised Catholic. 23 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:17,360 I have three sisters. 24 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:21,120 My mom was an RN and my dad was in the Air Force. 25 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:23,320 I was married for 25 years. 26 00:01:23,320 --> 00:01:27,560 I now have three children, 23, 20 and 17. 27 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:31,680 So they're all grown up on me or getting close to it anyway. 28 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:36,160 And I've been working professionally as a medium since my third near death experience 29 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:37,320 after I did mentoring. 30 00:01:37,320 --> 00:01:41,360 So I've been being professional with this since about 2017. 31 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:47,080 And by the way, when we're done, if you find Michelle as interesting as I think you will, 32 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:50,400 you can reach out to her at MichelleClaire.net. 33 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:53,520 And that'll be in the show notes to make sure you spell it right. 34 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:56,920 Well, if you don't mind, I want to jump right into it. 35 00:01:56,920 --> 00:02:03,280 And we start with your first NDE, which was way back in 2000. 36 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:04,480 Give us a little background. 37 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:07,320 What were you doing in your life and what led up to this? 38 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:08,320 Okay. 39 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:10,880 At that point in my life, I was newly married. 40 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:12,880 I was working for the airlines. 41 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:15,800 Some people might remember Delta Airlines. 42 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:16,800 That sounds familiar. 43 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:22,640 I was working for Delta and that was here in Phoenix at the Phoenix airport. 44 00:02:22,640 --> 00:02:26,440 Just really going about my life, not really thinking much about it. 45 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:27,760 I had been raised Catholic. 46 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:32,680 I wasn't in church every Sunday, but it was still the majority of my belief system. 47 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:36,920 And that day, I was actually in a hospital in Tucson. 48 00:02:36,920 --> 00:02:39,040 My sister-in-law had just given birth. 49 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:41,440 So we were down there visiting her. 50 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:46,480 I was talking to her, Arin, who actually happened to be my friend from high school. 51 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:48,920 And I had a massive seizure. 52 00:02:48,920 --> 00:02:54,920 And at that point in time, I remember looking up and my grandmother, who had transitioned 53 00:02:54,920 --> 00:03:01,080 a couple of years before me, was smiling at me and I was laying with my head in her lap. 54 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:02,080 Okay. 55 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:03,080 Hang on. 56 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:06,600 Did you realize you were dead or out of your body or where were you? 57 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:07,600 Yeah. 58 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:14,080 My body was on the floor in the hospital and I was in this beautiful space with my grandmother 59 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:19,760 who had passed away, a place that had unconditional love, timelessness. 60 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:25,040 It looked like I was in a white room, but the molecules or the cells in these walls 61 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:30,280 were alive and they seemed to be almost breathing and radiating light and love. 62 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:32,080 I didn't know. 63 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:33,240 I had no idea. 64 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:37,400 I went from talking to my friend from high school to with my head in my grandma's lap. 65 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:39,040 It happened that quick. 66 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:41,560 So what caused the seizure? 67 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:42,760 They never figured it out. 68 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:45,000 They admitted me to the hospital that night. 69 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:47,720 So it was a one-time thing and then you were okay? 70 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:48,720 Yes. 71 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:49,720 Yeah. 72 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:50,720 Wow. 73 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:53,360 Well, that's a blessing there. 74 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:58,080 Not the seizure, but the fact that it was a one-time thing and you got over that. 75 00:03:58,080 --> 00:03:59,080 Okay. 76 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:00,520 You went through this a little bit fast. 77 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:01,520 If you don't mind. 78 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:02,520 Okay. 79 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:04,200 I'm going to bear down on it just a little bit. 80 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:10,480 We can save some of this for later too, but how does an inanimate thing like white 81 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:14,720 walls and molecules radiate love? 82 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:15,720 Explain that to me. 83 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:16,720 Yeah. 84 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:18,720 That's a great question. 85 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:23,800 So I would describe it as if you're looking at a leaf on a tree in the sunlight, right? 86 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:28,520 And the sun is coming through it, but it almost looks like it's radiating out from inside 87 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:30,080 of the leaf. 88 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:32,040 That is how these walls were. 89 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:37,280 But although they seem solid, there were, I don't know what I would call cells or molecules 90 00:04:37,280 --> 00:04:44,080 that were each radiating this light and love within what appeared to be these white walls. 91 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:45,080 Okay. 92 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:47,120 Tell me about grandma now. 93 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:49,320 You were just on her lap. 94 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:50,680 Give me more detail. 95 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:51,680 Yes. 96 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:52,680 Yeah. 97 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:56,440 So I look up and I see grandma looking right down at me. 98 00:04:56,440 --> 00:05:01,920 She is the youngest, healthiest version of her that I can remember. 99 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:05,960 And I remember feeling so safe and so secure. 100 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:09,360 Knowing that she was there, I had no fear. 101 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:11,120 I didn't wonder how I got there. 102 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:15,080 I was literally just enjoying the moment. 103 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:19,600 And as I was looking at my grandmother, I looked next to her and standing next to her 104 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:22,800 was this angel that was about 12 feet tall. 105 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:23,800 Yes. 106 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:24,800 Tall. 107 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:29,360 I believed in angels growing up, but I had no idea they were that big. 108 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:34,440 As I looked at this beautiful angel, the first thing I thought was I wanted to see her feather 109 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:38,480 wings because we all know they have feather wings, right? 110 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:44,720 And as I moved my eyes to look for those beautiful feather wings, what I actually saw were wings 111 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:48,960 made of light and they were kind of like the Aurora Borealis. 112 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:55,360 So they moved, they were translucent and iridescent and they actually almost seemed to span or 113 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:57,960 trail off into eternity. 114 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:02,720 I don't actually ever remember seeing the end of the wing. 115 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:09,840 And as I looked at her face, her energy, just beyond awestruck and it almost encompassed 116 00:06:09,840 --> 00:06:12,360 me and sucked me into her. 117 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:15,040 And I remember thinking, what is your name? 118 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:17,040 And I was thinking this and she answered me. 119 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:18,360 She said, my name's Madeline. 120 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:20,680 I'm one of your guardian angels. 121 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:25,240 And I was quite surprised because I did not know anything about telepathic communication 122 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:27,160 at that point in time. 123 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:30,160 So I didn't know how she could hear what I was thinking. 124 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:35,720 And while I was laying there, I had no cares, no cares at all in the world. 125 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:37,240 I could have laid there forever. 126 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:42,200 There was so much love and peace and bliss and my grandma and this beautiful angel. 127 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:47,720 And the next thing I hear is I hear someone yelling code, code, code, because I had quit 128 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:50,200 breathing and I was already in the hospital. 129 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:52,840 They're about to spoil what's going on. 130 00:06:52,840 --> 00:06:54,240 Exactly. 131 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:59,960 And the next thing I know, I am back in my body and it is like I just got dropped out 132 00:06:59,960 --> 00:07:05,560 of a tin story building, plunk, and it is heavy and it is dense and my arm felt like 133 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:07,280 it weighed 500 pounds. 134 00:07:07,280 --> 00:07:13,360 So it was very, it was a shocking contrast to go from that beautiful energetic light 135 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:17,360 airy and heavenly realm to boom, planet earth. 136 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:18,760 Oh, wow. 137 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:22,800 And waking up right there on the floor and shoo. 138 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:24,880 Now I'm looking behind you. 139 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:31,600 You have two large sculptures of what look like female angels with feathery wings. 140 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:32,600 Right. 141 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:36,920 I'm guessing they don't make sculptures with the kind of wings you just described. 142 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:38,360 If they did, I would buy one. 143 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:39,360 No, they don't. 144 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:40,360 Yeah. 145 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:41,880 Well, those are beautiful anyway. 146 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:43,640 Well, thank you. 147 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:45,440 And symbolic of this whole thing. 148 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:46,960 I have a daughter named Madeline. 149 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:49,360 So that's a good one for a guardian angel. 150 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:51,000 Anyway, okay. 151 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:54,680 Was there any after effect takeaway? 152 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:56,840 Did that change your life much at the time? 153 00:07:56,840 --> 00:07:59,400 At the time, it didn't change it too much. 154 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:04,540 I remember when I woke up, I had, I have clear memories of this. 155 00:08:04,540 --> 00:08:09,280 So as many in D or say it's more real on the other side than it is here. 156 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:11,200 And that was the same thing. 157 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:16,160 I hadn't grown up feeling loved, but I had never felt as loved in my life as I felt in 158 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:17,640 those moments in heaven. 159 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:21,040 Like I just came back feeling so loved. 160 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:25,120 And I also did not have the term near death experience in my vocabulary. 161 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:27,600 So I knew I had an experience. 162 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:33,440 It took me a few weeks before I was ready to tell my mom about it because I didn't know 163 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:37,800 really what to do with this as a lot of in D years will say once you get there and you 164 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:42,160 have this experience, if it's not something you've grown up around, you think people are 165 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:44,080 going to think you're crazy when you share it. 166 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:48,920 So I came back feeling extra loved, shared it with my mom in a few weeks. 167 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:53,840 My mom kind of looked at me and believe me, but kind of wanted some type of scientific 168 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:54,840 proof or something. 169 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:59,640 And, you know, I had nothing except the energy and the memories that I was holding in my 170 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:01,360 heart and body from that. 171 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:03,960 Is this grandmother your mom's mom? 172 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:04,960 Yes. 173 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:05,960 Okay. 174 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:10,440 So I mean, one of the lessons I learned from that in D, well, I learned quite a few lessons, 175 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:14,800 but one of them was angels are real heaven knows we are coming. 176 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:17,840 My grandmother was right there waiting for me. 177 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:20,760 She knew I was coming before I did. 178 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:22,800 And I always find that with my mediumship. 179 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:25,240 I love being able to share that with people. 180 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:26,560 They know you're coming. 181 00:09:26,560 --> 00:09:28,680 No one transitions alone. 182 00:09:28,680 --> 00:09:32,640 Even if you're in the middle of the desert somewhere, your loved ones, your angels, your 183 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:34,720 lifeguides, they're all right there waiting. 184 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:35,720 Yeah. 185 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:37,240 That's a very comforting thought. 186 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:38,240 Wow. 187 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:39,760 I'm not sure where to go with that. 188 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:42,320 I tell you what, let's just go on to the second one. 189 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:46,400 Unless there's anything else from the first one that you want to fill in. 190 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:52,160 Well, I feel like for me, the connection with my grandma and the angel really opened up 191 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:58,640 my angelic connection and my ability to understand, see, know, and communicate with angels. 192 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:04,520 So it definitely let me know for me personally that this is real and this is help and support 193 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:06,680 that's available to all of us. 194 00:10:06,680 --> 00:10:09,520 So I think that was another big thing that came out of that. 195 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:14,880 My second NDE happened in May of 2006. 196 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:17,240 And at that point in time, I had had my son. 197 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:20,480 So at this point in my life, I have two kids. 198 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:23,760 I have my daughter who is five, another daughter, two and a half. 199 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:27,200 And I had just given birth to my son on April 1st. 200 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:32,040 So of course he came early because he's still a joker to this day. 201 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:36,880 And as I had him, I had a lot of complications during labor and then after. 202 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:43,920 So I went home when they let me out, not feeling great, started running a fever within hours 203 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:48,360 and ended up being back and forth in the hospital for four days, home for two days, back in 204 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:53,480 the hospital on IV antibiotics and all sorts of procedures they were doing. 205 00:10:53,480 --> 00:11:00,600 So mid May, about six weeks later, they decided we need to do a DNC because that is a process 206 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:04,760 that clears out the uterus because they thought I had infection and there may be a piece of 207 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:06,040 placenta or something. 208 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:09,040 And they said it was going to be a 45 minute procedure. 209 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:12,800 It was going to be outpatient piece of cake. 210 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:15,880 So I was in because I wanted the easy out. 211 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:19,960 I was tired of being sick and in the hospital and away from my kids. 212 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:25,400 And the night before I just had this pit in my stomach and I knew that I shouldn't go 213 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:29,320 through with the surgery, but I remember them telling me it'd be 45 minutes. 214 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:30,320 I'd be cured. 215 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:31,320 I'd be home. 216 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:37,120 So I show up the next morning, talk to the doctor, the anesthesiologist, both of them 217 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:38,480 then confirm it's quick. 218 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:40,040 It's easy done it a million times. 219 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:41,760 You're going to be fine. 220 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:46,800 So I had had anesthesia before and when I've had it, it's just a blank space. 221 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:47,800 There's no memory. 222 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:48,800 There's no dreaming. 223 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:50,440 There's a blank. 224 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:54,440 I remember counting backwards for the anesthesiologist. 225 00:11:54,440 --> 00:12:00,080 And the next thing I know, I'm on the gurney in the operating room and my beautiful white 226 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:02,920 German shepherd who was 102 pounds. 227 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:08,560 She had passed away a couple of years before this walks in, lays her head on the gurney, 228 00:12:08,560 --> 00:12:11,920 looks at me and we are gone. 229 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:17,080 And all of a sudden we are on this phenomenal beach. 230 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:23,040 Once again, there are colors, there are sights, there are sounds, there are emotions, every 231 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:29,440 cell, every molecule of water in the ocean and the plants radiating this light and love 232 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:30,960 from within. 233 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:36,200 And she and I are on the beach and we are just running and I'm looking at her. 234 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:38,600 We are communicating telepathically again. 235 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:40,320 She's so happy that I'm there. 236 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:41,320 She looks young. 237 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:43,640 She looks like about a two year old German shepherd. 238 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:44,640 Healthy. 239 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:46,640 I can tell she's so happy. 240 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:48,560 And we are just running and running. 241 00:12:48,560 --> 00:12:51,600 And I start to notice that sand doesn't feel hard. 242 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:54,160 It feels like we're running on clouds. 243 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:55,160 We're not getting tired. 244 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:57,160 We're not getting hot or thirsty. 245 00:12:57,160 --> 00:13:02,560 So I've really started to become aware, wait, I think something different is happening here 246 00:13:02,560 --> 00:13:04,360 at that point in time. 247 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:13,600 And come by that love in this near death experience is really where I was able to tap into truly 248 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:14,960 the present moment. 249 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:21,880 And with that, I will say on the beach with her at that time, there was only each breath 250 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:22,960 and each step. 251 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:27,480 I could not worry about anything before it or after it. 252 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:30,200 It was the most present I have ever been. 253 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:34,880 It was literally each breath, each step, each breath, each step. 254 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:40,040 And then at some point I feel my son who's six weeks old and he's at my house with my 255 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:43,920 mom calling to me because he knows I'm getting ready to leave. 256 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:48,480 If you can think about how close we are with our children and he can feel that my soul 257 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:49,760 is getting ready to leave. 258 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:54,880 And I remember going to him and I said, I'll find a way to stay. 259 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:56,840 And I didn't know what to do. 260 00:13:56,840 --> 00:14:00,240 So I started praying and I started saying, I need help. 261 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:01,240 It's not my time. 262 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:03,560 My kids still need me here. 263 00:14:03,560 --> 00:14:07,320 And in that moment, I was transported back into the operating room. 264 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:09,440 I saw Jesus come in. 265 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:12,760 I saw this beautiful white golden light. 266 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:15,320 And the next thing I knew, I was waking up. 267 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:16,320 Let me add this. 268 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:18,040 Jesus came in as my friend. 269 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:21,840 Jesus did not come in saying bow down, pray to me or anything like that. 270 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:24,480 Jesus came in and it wasn't words. 271 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:27,000 It was the energy because this is beyond words. 272 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:28,360 It was like, I'm here to help you. 273 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:29,360 Let me help you. 274 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:35,240 And the next thing I know, I'm waking up in post-op and my 45 minute procedure had turned 275 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:41,040 into a three and a half hour emergency surgery because they had ruptured my uterus in two 276 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:45,080 places and missed my artery by a millimeter. 277 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:48,240 Tell me more about the interaction with Jesus. 278 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:49,480 Yeah. 279 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:50,480 There were no words. 280 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:53,000 It was telepathic and energetic. 281 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:56,640 And that's why I would say there was just this feeling of I'm your best friend. 282 00:14:56,640 --> 00:14:58,240 Let me help you. 283 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:03,280 And I really felt like with that, my soul had summoned him in. 284 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:04,280 Right. 285 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:09,040 And so I like to tell people this, our souls are capable of summoning miracles, miracles 286 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:11,000 as humans call them. 287 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:15,880 And in that moment, for whatever happened, I was able to get into alignment to send out 288 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:18,320 that prayer or that ask of help. 289 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:20,000 And here he came. 290 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:23,840 I will tell you, I don't remember specifically praying to Jesus. 291 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:28,200 I remember asking for help and telling them that I needed to stay. 292 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:32,360 But that was who responded to my call for help, which makes perfect sense to me being raised 293 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:37,880 Catholic that he's truly, you know, a master that I still work with today. 294 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:43,520 And with him, I mean, all I can tell you is that everything about him radiated light and 295 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:44,520 love. 296 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:50,400 When there was that scene and that connection with Jesus, there was nothing anyone could 297 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:55,000 have ever done wrong because you were purely loved for exactly who you are. 298 00:15:55,000 --> 00:16:02,360 I love that you're telling me this and other people have to that that feeling of love, 299 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:03,960 it just trumps everything else. 300 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:05,720 That's all you feel, right? 301 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:10,680 You're not feeling guilt, shame, all these things that we're afraid. 302 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:12,160 Oh, no, there's Jesus. 303 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:16,920 I'm going to have to, you know, because I have not been perfect or something. 304 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:20,080 And it's just love, period. 305 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:22,160 That makes so much sense. 306 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:26,560 And it's been confirmed by so many people that I've had on this show. 307 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:27,560 Same thing. 308 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:31,000 So you didn't see one of these 12 foot angels this time. 309 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:32,400 I did not that time. 310 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:33,400 I did not. 311 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:37,920 I felt like I kind of upgraded though, I got to see Jesus. 312 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:38,920 Yeah. 313 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:42,160 But I did not see any angels in that one. 314 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:45,800 You know, the interesting thing about the near death experiences is I've never gone 315 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:51,360 back to question them because all three of them have been completely different and yet 316 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:55,520 clearly exactly what my soul needed at that moment. 317 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:58,880 And I think that's something that's common for NDE years. 318 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:00,080 It's not groundhog state. 319 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:03,920 You don't go back and keep having the same experience every time. 320 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:08,680 If you have more than one, they tend to build and you get more information, more knowledge. 321 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:11,400 I think you're ready for more after the first one. 322 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:12,400 Yeah. 323 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:13,400 So it makes sense. 324 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:14,400 They would build on each other. 325 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:15,400 Okay. 326 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:16,400 I'm a huge fan of beaches. 327 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:19,160 Can you describe this beach a little bit more? 328 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:20,280 Oh, yeah. 329 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:23,360 So in my mind, that's what I think Fiji would be like. 330 00:17:23,360 --> 00:17:27,640 I've never been to Fiji, but it was white, white powdery sand. 331 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:28,640 I have. 332 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:29,640 It's beautiful. 333 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:30,640 Okay. 334 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:31,640 You would love it. 335 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:32,640 You need to go there. 336 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:33,640 All right. 337 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:36,760 So my bucket list, white, white powdery sand. 338 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:39,120 The foliage grew right up to the ocean. 339 00:17:39,120 --> 00:17:41,600 I mean, there was just a little beach going down there. 340 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:43,960 It wasn't like a huge beach to them. 341 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:48,800 And it was interesting because I remember when I was, there was no sun in the sky, but 342 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:50,280 it was all light. 343 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:54,880 But that made sense to me because the light was coming from within every molecule, every 344 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:56,520 cell, every drop of water. 345 00:17:56,520 --> 00:18:02,120 So I didn't see a sun in the sky, but yet it was as bright as a sunny day in Fiji would 346 00:18:02,120 --> 00:18:03,760 be the smells. 347 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:06,000 I mean, there were smells that I've never smelled. 348 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:11,440 I don't know if they have them in Fiji, but really just like, gosh, almost like perfumes, 349 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:13,840 I don't know, perfumes too strong of a word. 350 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:19,160 I don't even want to use that word, but very peaceful, very maybe like for people who like 351 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:24,200 lavender, I feel like as you breathe it in, you relax into it kind of something like smells 352 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:26,200 that would relax you. 353 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:28,160 Everything was so relaxing there. 354 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:29,560 The colors were brighter. 355 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:34,120 We actually had things, their flowers and things that had colors that we don't have 356 00:18:34,120 --> 00:18:35,120 here on earth. 357 00:18:35,120 --> 00:18:42,360 And so I don't even know how to describe them, but just, yes, amazing, amazing and beautiful. 358 00:18:42,360 --> 00:18:46,520 And with your dog sounds like you had a great connection with your dog. 359 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:47,520 Absolutely. 360 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:52,680 She's kind of, I've had quite a few dogs over my life, but that one's my soulmate dog. 361 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:53,680 What's her name? 362 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:54,680 Tahoe. 363 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:55,680 Good name. 364 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:56,680 All right. 365 00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:58,760 Now let's go forward to 2011. 366 00:18:58,760 --> 00:18:59,760 All right. 367 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:01,920 What was going on at this time? 368 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:06,360 And then you've told me a little bit about it, but everybody else needs to hear. 369 00:19:06,360 --> 00:19:07,360 Go ahead. 370 00:19:07,360 --> 00:19:08,360 Okay. 371 00:19:08,360 --> 00:19:13,320 At this point in time, my kids were older, so I had 10, eight and five. 372 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:16,600 So they were, you know, they were moving around doing their thing. 373 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:21,840 I had been a stay at home mom, homemaker, happy with that, loving every moment and being able 374 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:26,080 to be with my kids and I was actually climbing up this ladder. 375 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:30,920 I have 14 foot ceilings in my house and about 12 feet off the ground in the kitchen. 376 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:36,960 I had battery operated candles that would turn on every night glow and turn off by themselves. 377 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:42,480 My younger two kids were home and they were actually in the kitchen because it was 1111 378 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:44,040 right November 1st. 379 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:48,360 So they wanted to start looking and making their list for Santa because everyone knows 380 00:19:48,360 --> 00:19:52,400 the morning after Halloween's over, you start planning for Santa, right? 381 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:57,040 When you're five and eight years old, they were in the kitchen working on their Christmas 382 00:19:57,040 --> 00:19:58,040 list. 383 00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:01,920 The oldest was in an after school program and I said to them, I said, as soon as I get 384 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:05,120 done putting this candle up, we're going to go get your sister. 385 00:20:05,120 --> 00:20:09,960 So I climb up the ladder and as I get to the top, I can feel it start to shift. 386 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:13,000 And at that moment, I literally thought this is going to hurt. 387 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:18,240 And I knew, I knew this was going, this was going to hurt was all I could think. 388 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:22,880 I was ripped out of my body, not in a painful way, but in a fast way. 389 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:30,080 I was turned around and I was facing my body and the ladder suspended in the air. 390 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:34,840 And as I was looking at this, I was once again in a timeless space. 391 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:37,560 I was encompassed with unconditional love. 392 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:39,760 I was feeling blissful. 393 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:45,600 I was standing with three people that I had never met in this lifetime, but they felt 394 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:47,400 like close family or friends. 395 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:50,600 I knew they knew everything about me. 396 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:55,520 One was an Asian man, one was an Egyptian woman and one was a Hawaiian man. 397 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:58,080 And they said to me, they said, what do you want to do, Michelle? 398 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:00,800 Do you want to stay or do you want to go? 399 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:07,880 And I was really trying to figure out how I had forever to decide what I wanted to do 400 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:11,960 because at the same time I knew my body was going to hit the floor in less than a second, 401 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:13,240 but they weren't rushing me. 402 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:14,560 So I was a little confused. 403 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:17,040 I had forever to decide. 404 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:22,520 I was aware of being in the timelessness and the love, and yet I knew there was part of 405 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:24,920 me still connected to the time. 406 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:31,160 And at that moment, I saw a beautiful angel come in dressed in red and gold, not my angel 407 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:33,280 Madeline, a different one. 408 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:39,120 And when I saw this angel, I knew immediately it was there to either take me home or shift 409 00:21:39,120 --> 00:21:41,760 something so that I could stay. 410 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:47,120 And at that moment, my attention was drawn to my younger two kids in the kitchen. 411 00:21:47,120 --> 00:21:50,560 And as soon as I saw them, I knew I needed to stay. 412 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:56,240 And so when I made this decision, I was downloaded with a lot of information very quickly. 413 00:21:56,240 --> 00:22:00,760 So they said, OK, but you need to go back and you need to practice your mediumship and 414 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:03,000 do it in the way that just you can do it. 415 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:06,280 I mean, we have a lot of mediums, but they all work differently. 416 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:09,280 They told me that my marriage would probably end in divorce. 417 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:13,680 They told me that I'd have more trauma coming later down the road in my life. 418 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:17,120 And they gave me a lot of information. 419 00:22:17,120 --> 00:22:21,560 Some of it is still getting revealed with time because I was downloaded with so much 420 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:22,760 at that point in time. 421 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:26,640 I don't remember it all, but sometimes I'll, I don't know, I'll hear something or see 422 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:30,760 something and it will trigger more of what I was told at that point in time still. 423 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:32,160 And that was in 2011. 424 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:34,680 So this is an ongoing process. 425 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:40,320 And as I was given all of this information, I remember being in spirit world and I remember 426 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:42,960 them telling me about all of this trauma that I was going to have. 427 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:46,560 And I remember also saying like, OK, send me in. 428 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:47,560 I've got this. 429 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:48,560 OK, right. 430 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:53,920 And then you get here and you're human and you say, what the heck is happening to my life? 431 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:55,760 So I end up falling. 432 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:58,800 I hit the back of my head on the corner of my granite island. 433 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:01,200 I had a five and a half inch skull fracture. 434 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:02,880 I had a brain bleed. 435 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:08,040 I lost my taste in my smell, my equilibrium, part of my hearing. 436 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:10,360 But I survived the fall by half an inch. 437 00:23:10,360 --> 00:23:12,760 I missed my brainstem by half an inch. 438 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:18,040 And that was the difference of me being able to stay or go at that point in time. 439 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:19,040 Wow. 440 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:20,040 Okay. 441 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:22,480 Did you say one angel or a couple of angels this time? 442 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:24,520 I only saw one that time also. 443 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:25,680 Just one this time. 444 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:26,680 Okay. 445 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:30,600 Because I was thinking you had multiple guides. 446 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:33,720 So Madeline and then this one. 447 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:34,720 So right. 448 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:35,720 Yes. 449 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:38,920 So I have three lifeguides and I didn't actually even know those were my lifeguides. 450 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:43,640 So even by the time we get to this third near death experience, I don't know. 451 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:45,280 I know I'm having an experience. 452 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:47,800 I don't know what's called a near death experience. 453 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:49,880 I had never heard the term lifeguide. 454 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:54,280 So I don't know who these three people are who seem to know me inside out, but here they 455 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:55,280 are. 456 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:56,360 You know. 457 00:23:56,360 --> 00:24:02,840 And so once again, I knew I was having some significant monumental life-changing experience. 458 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:05,040 I didn't have the vocabulary for it. 459 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:06,040 Yeah. 460 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:11,320 Well, and I apologize because I think I kind of mixed all together these three guides that 461 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:15,760 you told us about that Asian man, Hawaiian man. 462 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:17,400 What was the third one? 463 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:18,400 Egyptian lady. 464 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:19,400 Egyptian lady. 465 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:22,360 I think I mixed those up with the angels a little bit. 466 00:24:22,360 --> 00:24:23,360 So. 467 00:24:23,360 --> 00:24:24,360 Okay. 468 00:24:24,360 --> 00:24:25,360 Okay. 469 00:24:25,360 --> 00:24:31,120 So then, but these, did you get any kind of message from these, what these lifeguides, 470 00:24:31,120 --> 00:24:35,280 what their purpose is, how they help you at this point? 471 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:36,280 Yeah. 472 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:39,000 Well, so this is all telepathic communication, right? 473 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,920 With them and, and really what this was. 474 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:46,020 So it makes sense to me that my lifeguides were the ones that are there right now saying, 475 00:24:46,020 --> 00:24:48,840 this is the only NDE where I got the choice. 476 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:50,640 Do you want to stay or do you want to go? 477 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,400 It was literally a point blank question. 478 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:57,160 And at that point, it makes sense that it was my lifeguides asking me. 479 00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:01,800 My understanding is our lifeguides are here to help us follow through with our blueprint 480 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:02,800 for our life. 481 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:06,440 Whereas our angels really are here for love and comfort and protection. 482 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:09,020 So they serve a little two different roles. 483 00:25:09,020 --> 00:25:13,720 So it makes sense when I was given the, the choice, it was presented by my lifeguides. 484 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:14,720 Okay. 485 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:15,720 That makes sense. 486 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:22,800 Can you describe any more details about Madeline or the other angel with the red and gold 487 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:23,800 dress? 488 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:28,600 Did you see facial features or was this just light mostly? 489 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:30,680 I did see facial features. 490 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:35,760 So they appeared to me as human like, and that makes sense to me because that's what 491 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:37,760 I'm comfortable with. 492 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,640 Everything in this was about love and comfort. 493 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:46,560 And so if my angels had appeared to me with eight heads or like a blue alien, I would 494 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:50,680 maybe been a little jolted, but they appeared to me in the way I expected. 495 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:51,680 So they look like humans. 496 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:53,800 I mean, their skin was perfect. 497 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:54,800 They were porcelain. 498 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:56,300 They were stunning. 499 00:25:56,300 --> 00:26:01,480 But within them, you could feel the light and love radiating out of them and their energy 500 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:06,920 almost kind of want to say like brings you in and hugs you the energetic comfort that 501 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,480 they bring is unbelievable. 502 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:12,840 Did you get a feel from your three guides? 503 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:18,040 Like they were people that had lived here on earth at some time and this was their after 504 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:22,120 life, and this was maybe part of an assignment that they had. 505 00:26:22,120 --> 00:26:23,120 Absolutely. 506 00:26:23,120 --> 00:26:28,200 I felt like all three of them had actually mastered life on planet earth and that's why 507 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:31,320 they were able to be my life guides at that point in time. 508 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:35,920 So I think that they had been here many, many times, knew the ins and outs of it and it's 509 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:39,320 signed up to try to help keep me on my path. 510 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:40,840 How about the angels? 511 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:41,840 Same question. 512 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:42,840 Yeah. 513 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:47,080 So I do from what I know as a medium angels can have earthly incarnations. 514 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:51,640 So you can be an angel and come to the earth energy and have a human life here. 515 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:53,040 They don't tend to prefer that. 516 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:57,760 They tend to be a vibrational frequency that does well in that heavenly realm. 517 00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:02,920 And a lot of times when we come to earth from that angelic realm, it's a hard life because 518 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:07,400 it's even harder than it is on regular souls that are coming in. 519 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:09,160 So it is possible. 520 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:13,840 I think some of them have done that and I think some of them have not. 521 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:19,400 And to me, why do you think we can't remember what happened to us before this life? 522 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:20,400 Yeah. 523 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:27,320 Well, we are veiled or given amnesia or whatever we want to call this because if we remembered 524 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:32,800 the whole plan of the life that we had set up, we really wouldn't be evolving and growing 525 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:34,200 and learning through it. 526 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:40,560 So there's this part of it where also to I'll say this, knowing that love of this heavenly 527 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:48,120 realm that we all call home, you would long for it to a degree that would be almost unimaginable. 528 00:27:48,120 --> 00:27:51,920 If you could remember where you came from and that everything is perfect, it didn't 529 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:53,640 make it even harder to be here. 530 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:57,000 So that amnesia or veiling is for a couple of reasons. 531 00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:02,120 One, it's so that we can actually try to learn our life purpose and do it as an individual, 532 00:28:02,120 --> 00:28:03,120 right? 533 00:28:03,120 --> 00:28:05,080 Because we chose to come here as an individual. 534 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:08,520 But it's also to help with the longing of wanting to go home. 535 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:10,320 That is a great explanation. 536 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:12,880 I completely agree with it. 537 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:18,840 Experiencers that I've talked to, especially ones that are moms and have kids, that's the 538 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:20,960 reason they choose to come back. 539 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:21,960 Yeah. 540 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,560 Those darn kids, they get you stuck here on planet Earth. 541 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:25,560 Yeah. 542 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:26,560 Yeah. 543 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:28,560 It's somebody that I love needs me. 544 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:32,480 It's not a selfish decision ever, is it? 545 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:34,640 It's not, oh, I don't like it here so well. 546 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:38,400 I want to go back to Earth and my regular body and that kind of thing. 547 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,080 It's always out of service for somebody else. 548 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:46,520 And it seems like that comes from this place where you're feeling nothing but love. 549 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:48,800 So you're making that choice that same way. 550 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,520 Is that, do you feel like that's how it works? 551 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:52,520 Absolutely. 552 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:55,440 So I feel like it really was a choice made in love. 553 00:28:55,440 --> 00:29:01,080 And I'm going to add the human word sacrifice on there because I gave up stepping into that 554 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:07,880 blissful eternal realm at that moment to come back, to raise my three kids, but then 555 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:14,200 to go through marriage that ended in divorce, to then have find love again and my life partner 556 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,600 transitioned by suicide in August. 557 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:22,160 And so there was this part of me where had I chosen to stay at that point in time, I 558 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:27,360 could have bypassed a lot of human trauma that my kids when they had a mom and I wouldn't 559 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:32,000 have been there to be able to watch them grow up and help them and love them and guide them. 560 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:38,880 And so I feel like every experiencer that comes back is doing it from a place of love. 561 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:40,560 And let's go beyond that. 562 00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:44,720 Every soul that is here on planet earth came here from a place of love. 563 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,040 It's not just indie years. 564 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:48,240 It's love. 565 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:49,640 We come from the love. 566 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:51,440 And we'll go back to the love. 567 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:52,440 Okay. 568 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,800 So you've mentioned a couple of times that you had a Catholic upbringing. 569 00:29:55,800 --> 00:30:00,160 Did these experiences change your feelings for that at all? 570 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:05,440 Well, by the way, anyone that's new to the show, this is a completely non-denominational 571 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:06,440 show. 572 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:07,720 We are not pushing anyone religion. 573 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,320 We are not slamming on any religions. 574 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:12,720 That is not why I'm asking this question. 575 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:19,640 I'm just kind of curious how these experiences affected your belief system that you had grown 576 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:20,640 up with. 577 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:21,640 Mm-hmm. 578 00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:22,640 Okay. 579 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:26,000 So from a very young age, there were things I really resonated with, with the Catholic 580 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:27,000 church. 581 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:31,880 I remember being in first grade and my Sunday school teacher telling me when I was crying 582 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:36,520 because my dog died that my dog didn't go to heaven because it didn't have a soul. 583 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,400 And that was the first jolting experience I have. 584 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:40,400 What? 585 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:43,640 You know, so very early on there were differences. 586 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:44,960 Here are some of the things I loved. 587 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:49,080 I was taught that there were angels and saints and Mother Mary and all of these beings of 588 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,720 light that wanted to help us and support us. 589 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:56,040 And what I know from my mediumship and my near death experiences, that part of it is 590 00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:57,040 true. 591 00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:58,040 Guess what? 592 00:30:58,040 --> 00:30:59,040 I saw my beautiful dog in heaven. 593 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:00,040 She made it there. 594 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:01,600 Our animals go to heaven. 595 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:04,120 That wasn't a fear that I had carried with me. 596 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:09,480 But what happened at a young age for me was I felt like I already had a knowing of, I'm 597 00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,840 going to say God or source and that energy. 598 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:17,200 And I already could see that the Catholic religion, although it had very many beautiful 599 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:24,400 things, confined what I knew of source into a smaller box than I knew source what to be. 600 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:25,400 Okay. 601 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:26,400 That's interesting. 602 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:28,800 Let's talk about the three guides for a second. 603 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:30,880 What do you make of how different they were? 604 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:37,200 I mean, these weren't like, you know, the three women next door, they weren't your aunts 605 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:38,200 and grandmas. 606 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:43,480 You know, what do you, what do you make of how different they were from you? 607 00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:45,720 Yeah, I mean, it's amazing. 608 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:49,880 Actually, I love that it tells us all how diverse our souls are. 609 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:50,880 Right? 610 00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:56,440 And one of the life guides, what I know now is that I had chosen them before I came here. 611 00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:58,600 They all serve specific purposes. 612 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:02,320 So everyone has at least one life guide and one guardian angel. 613 00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:06,720 We might have more than that depending on our mission or our purpose for coming to planet 614 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:07,720 earth. 615 00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:14,440 And so for me, each one of these guides, although very diverse from who I am, specializes in 616 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:19,760 some type of field or area to help me accomplish the missions and the purpose of my soul being 617 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:21,800 here at this point in time. 618 00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:28,000 And so it really also, I would say this, although they appeared to me like, you know, a Hawaiian 619 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,440 man that would be very different than me, a Caucasian female, right? 620 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:38,080 But in that moment, I didn't look at them or feel any difference or distance between 621 00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:39,080 us. 622 00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:40,080 We were one. 623 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:45,400 It was almost just like it was, you know, I kind of like to say changing outfits when 624 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:46,400 I think back about it. 625 00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,000 It's like, if I put on different clothes, I'm still Michelle. 626 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:52,240 I'm just in a different outfit or a different Halloween costume. 627 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:57,600 And so although they were separate from me in a way and looked different than me, none 628 00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:03,520 of that translated into the experience that I had because I felt one with all of them. 629 00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:06,200 So how do we let our guides guide us? 630 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:07,200 Yeah. 631 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:08,680 How do we know they're guiding us? 632 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:10,320 How do we know how to follow? 633 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:11,320 Right. 634 00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:12,320 Exactly. 635 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:13,320 So it always starts as a whisper. 636 00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:17,680 I feel like our life guides, you know, I wish spirit was shouting at us with a bullhorn. 637 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,960 That would make our lives easier, but they're not. 638 00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:22,280 They're whispering to us. 639 00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:23,280 They're nudging us. 640 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:28,360 So it's really a lot of the times we call it intuition or gut feeling or, you know, 641 00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:33,000 whatever we want to call this, but these are always our life guides saying, hey, go that 642 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:34,000 way. 643 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:35,000 Hey, take a right. 644 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:38,280 Hey, I need you to run into this person today because they're going to just tell you about 645 00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:41,360 this random job opportunity that came up. 646 00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:43,120 That's the job you're supposed to have. 647 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:49,000 So we call it maybe coincidence or synchronicities, but our life guides are always talking to 648 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:50,000 us. 649 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:54,640 It's in the whispers and what we consider to be random as humans that they're pointing 650 00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:55,960 us in the right direction. 651 00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:56,960 Okay. 652 00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:00,200 Now I'm probably going to ask you to speculate a little bit on this one, unless you really 653 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:06,640 know the answer, but our guardian angels, did your guardian angel take the day off when 654 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,000 you were on the ladder that day? 655 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:14,000 Or, you know what I mean, if we have these guardian angels, why do we get in car accidents? 656 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:17,680 Why do these other traumatic things happen to us? 657 00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:18,680 Right. 658 00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:22,120 So I will tell you what I know from that is a medium. 659 00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:26,640 So as we plan our life, we put in multiple exit points. 660 00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:31,160 So there are times in our life when we're in spirit before we come here where we say, 661 00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:35,920 hey, I can leave at this point and I can go home and I can, you know, home to the heavenly 662 00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:36,920 realm. 663 00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:38,440 That's what I'm going to say about that. 664 00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:41,880 And the other thing is this is the universe had already tried to wake me up twice. 665 00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:45,000 I had already had two near death experiences. 666 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:49,520 And here I was, it was kind of go big or go home at this point in time on this third 667 00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:50,760 NDE. 668 00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,920 So it wasn't that my angel didn't know what was coming. 669 00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:58,960 Didn't take the day off that that was actually done, I believe for myself on a soul level 670 00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:05,840 where I said, okay, Michelle, and if you don't wake up by 1111, here comes something significant 671 00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:09,480 to help you get back on track and remember why you're here. 672 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:14,440 And maybe that angel did help nudge your head a half an inch, right? 673 00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:15,680 The one in the red and gold. 674 00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:17,200 Yes, move my head a half an inch. 675 00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:21,760 I have no doubt in the right direction in the right direction to survive the fall. 676 00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:22,760 Yeah. 677 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:27,200 So was I, listen, I was divinely supported in this NDE. 678 00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:30,160 I had three life guides and an angel right there. 679 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:36,880 I was surrounded with light and love and blissful timelessness energy and there was no part 680 00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:37,880 of me. 681 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:38,880 I want to say this too. 682 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:42,160 There was no part of me that felt like it was right or wrong to stay or go. 683 00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:48,240 No matter what decision I made, I knew I was going to be loved and I was going to be fine. 684 00:35:48,240 --> 00:35:50,600 How do we spread that kind of love here? 685 00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:57,520 We have to stop looking at each other as separate, whether this is, you know, just, we do so 686 00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:01,240 much on planet earth to divide people out regularly. 687 00:36:01,240 --> 00:36:04,480 We are always showing why you're different, why I'm different. 688 00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,600 We can't, and we buy into the contrast so much. 689 00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:12,480 The contrast is good because it helps us learn that as part of why we came to planet earth. 690 00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:17,640 But when you really start seeing people the way that source sees them, which is that we're 691 00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:22,600 all loved and we're all perfect and we're all here on our own separate journey course 692 00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:23,600 of life. 693 00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:28,400 I don't, I never came back looking at people as broken from that third NDE. 694 00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:32,800 I came back and I would look at them and I say, hmm, I wonder what their sole plan is. 695 00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,080 It changed my perspective on all of that. 696 00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:36,080 All right. 697 00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:41,120 I'd love to leave our listeners with some kind of wonderful message of hope today. 698 00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:42,520 How do you want to summarize? 699 00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:43,520 Yeah. 700 00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:46,520 I mean, wow, there's so many places you can go without it. 701 00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:51,120 Number one, you need to know you're not living this life alone that even in the moments where 702 00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:56,200 it doesn't feel like it, you are divinely guided by your angels, your life guides, your loved 703 00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:59,520 ones and spirit source, the divine. 704 00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:01,560 You are not here accidentally. 705 00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:06,640 We all chose to come here on the sole level and it's really so that we can learn and grow 706 00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:10,520 and also play and find the magic in life. 707 00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:15,560 And a lot of times we get bogged down in survival mode and we forget that our soul came here 708 00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:17,280 to learn and play and grow. 709 00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:18,280 Okay. 710 00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:22,160 So, on a scale of one to 10, what's your level of fear of death? 711 00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:23,160 Zero. 712 00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:24,160 Perfect. 713 00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:25,160 Thanks, Michelle. 714 00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,160 I appreciate having you today. 715 00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,040 Yeah, you are so welcome. 716 00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:30,040 Thank you for having me. 717 00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:32,720 It's really been an honor. 718 00:37:32,720 --> 00:37:35,520 Thanks again for listening and sharing this podcast. 719 00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:41,600 Don't forget to hit the follow or subscribe button and sign up for our newsletter at roundtripdeath.com. 720 00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:45,880 If you want to share your 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