1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:08,400 From the time that they pronounced me deaf was a good 45 minutes. 2 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:13,440 They cut my clothes and then they paddled my heart, my heart had stopped. 3 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:18,120 And I could see people screaming and crying, but I didn't realize that was actually my 4 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:21,320 physical body because I was somewhere else. 5 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:27,400 The only thing that I could feel, if you could imagine, absolute love and peace, there wasn't 6 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:29,400 anything else to be felt. 7 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:32,520 I was greeted by people I'd known in the past. 8 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:34,160 I'm back home again. 9 00:00:34,160 --> 00:00:36,560 Incredibly safe and felt at home. 10 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:43,560 Welcome everybody to Round Trip Death, and I'd like to welcome all the way from Maine 11 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:46,600 in the United States, Brandon Densmore. 12 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:47,600 Good morning. 13 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:48,920 Hey, Eric. How you doing? 14 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:51,000 Thanks for inviting me on the show. 15 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:52,960 You're very welcome and I'm doing great. 16 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:55,480 I hope you're doing well as well. 17 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:59,640 Would you mind letting our listeners get to know you just a little bit? 18 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:00,640 Who's Brandon? 19 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:03,000 Yeah, my name is Brandon. 20 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:05,240 I love coaching. 21 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:09,200 That's what I do for career now, and I'm a painter. 22 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:13,320 I like painting little statues, little miniatures. 23 00:01:13,320 --> 00:01:15,960 Been doing it for quite some time. 24 00:01:15,960 --> 00:01:22,880 Love practicing new techniques with painting and light and shadow and understanding color 25 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:23,880 and stuff like that. 26 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:25,160 That's what I'm doing currently. 27 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:26,680 I have a son, Daniel. 28 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:31,920 He's a year and a half old, and I'm happily married to the love of my life, Mary Marcel, 29 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:36,240 and we are living in a beautiful home that we bought here in Union, Maine. 30 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:37,480 That is fantastic. 31 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:41,160 That one and a half year old age, I love that age. 32 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:42,160 It's amazing. 33 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:45,960 They don't get much better than that, so I hope you're totally enjoying every minute 34 00:01:45,960 --> 00:01:46,960 of that. 35 00:01:46,960 --> 00:01:47,960 I am. 36 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:55,200 I'm researching Montessori, which is like a teaching method slash lifestyle, and I'm 37 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:59,560 so glad that I found this out now while he's still only a year and a half, and I'm working 38 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:02,080 on creating a Montessori environment. 39 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:08,680 It just encourages children to, it promotes their natural curiosity, and it's a great 40 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:11,200 philosophy, so I'm excited about that. 41 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:13,320 Now, you said you love coaching. 42 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:16,680 Are you talking football, basketball, or people? 43 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:22,400 People, I'm a certified spiritual coach, so I'm talking about people. 44 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:23,400 Great. 45 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:24,400 All right. 46 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:27,360 Well, I want to jump right into it. 47 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:32,160 You're a good boy now, but a few years ago, you were into some stuff maybe wasn't so good 48 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:33,920 for you. 49 00:02:33,920 --> 00:02:34,920 That's true. 50 00:02:34,920 --> 00:02:37,600 I'm a recovered opiate addict. 51 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:44,480 Yeah, I was into some pretty dark stuff for a long time, and it kind of progressed over 52 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:50,560 the years, but it ended with a heroin overdose back in 2014. 53 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:52,320 It's been about 10 years now. 54 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:55,280 Do you mind if I asked how the addiction got started? 55 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:56,280 Yeah. 56 00:02:56,280 --> 00:03:02,240 Spoiler alert, I'm going to talk about maybe some stuff that might trigger people. 57 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:05,440 If you don't want to hear about that kind of thing, you might want to turn the channel 58 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:12,400 now, but I was sexually molested when I was eight years old, and that shattered my self-esteem, 59 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:17,680 my self-confidence, and then I was raised as a Jehovah's Witness. 60 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:24,160 Taught me a lot of great values, but it kind of made the other children at school see me 61 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:29,000 as different, I think, and it was easy for them to single me out and bully me. 62 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:35,160 I was bullied horrendously through middle school, and I only went to one year of high 63 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:37,800 school, so I got out. 64 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:43,920 But anyways, I was diagnosed, so that kind of set up a lot of emotional turmoil as a 65 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:49,840 young child, and then I was diagnosed with Crohn's disease and sacrilegexpondylitis. 66 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:55,160 It's basically arthritis of the spine and stomach, like intestines. 67 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:57,320 That's what the Crohn's disease is. 68 00:03:57,320 --> 00:04:01,400 It's very painful, and I was put on opiates at age 14. 69 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:02,400 Wow. 70 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:07,960 And it was, what, 18 years or something later that you had this overdose? 71 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:08,960 Correct. 72 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:09,960 Yep. 73 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:10,960 They are so addictive. 74 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:11,960 They are. 75 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:12,960 They are. 76 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:13,960 Okay. 77 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:14,960 Tell us about the heroin overdose. 78 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:21,440 Well, I was waiting for my guy to show up, my dealer, and I was in my mom's apartment, 79 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:26,200 and I'd been in withdrawals for three days, and it's kind of hard to explain what a withdrawal 80 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:33,840 is like for people who aren't addicted to opiates, but it's just full of anxiety, time 81 00:04:33,840 --> 00:04:39,920 standing still, not comfortable in my own skin, moving around in the chair, keep looking 82 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:47,480 at the clock in only a minute as fast, and all of these anxieties inside of me just screaming, 83 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:50,920 these voices, you're not good enough. 84 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:53,360 Your life sucks. 85 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:59,800 You have X, Y, and Z problems, and it's just all of that stuff is just in my face and evident 86 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:03,960 as I'm waiting for this guy to show up and spend three days living hell, right? 87 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:11,600 So finally the guy gets there, and he brings me the stuff, and then I do some, and it's 88 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:20,360 like steam rolling off a hot lake in mid-summer, the anxiety, the stress, it all just evaporated. 89 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:28,320 Finally, I can collect myself, and I can think clearly, and I don't have all these voices, 90 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:32,920 these negative thoughts in my head screaming at the top of their lungs. 91 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:38,200 So it felt good until I realized that I was dying, and it was like my breath was slowing 92 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:41,560 down, and I felt like I was falling into a hole. 93 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:48,040 Then next thing I know, I'm standing beside myself, and I'm looking at my dead body on 94 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:50,120 the couch. 95 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:53,800 And oddly enough, it didn't seem strange to me. 96 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:58,880 I knew that I had died, and I was looking at my body, but it wasn't odd. 97 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:02,040 It wasn't strange, and that's weird. 98 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:06,440 But I'm looking at myself, and I'm wondering, what was the point of my life? 99 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:08,040 I was sexually molested. 100 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:09,360 I was bullied in school. 101 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:13,160 I was put on these opiate medications, and I went through this whole educational journey. 102 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:20,240 I dropped out of school in the ninth grade and was in a fist fight at age 21, which 103 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:25,840 caused me to question my identity, because I had believed up to that point at age 21 104 00:06:25,840 --> 00:06:29,960 that I was stupid, that I wasn't going to go anywhere in life. 105 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:34,560 Somehow I had adopted that belief, probably from being bullied so much in school. 106 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:36,120 So I had adopted these beliefs. 107 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:41,840 I was in a fist fight at age 21, and questioned those beliefs and decided to test them to 108 00:06:41,840 --> 00:06:43,920 see if they were actually true. 109 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:45,680 Am I really stupid? 110 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:52,560 So dropped out of school in the ninth grade, had the fist fight, went back to school, got 111 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:58,760 my GED, then went to a two-year community college, graduated from there, and then I 112 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:05,040 won a full scholarship to go to Yale's sister school, Basser College, where I graduated with 113 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:07,320 a philosophy degree. 114 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:10,080 So I guess I wasn't stupid, right? 115 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:15,640 So anyways, sometimes we have these negative beliefs about ourselves that we just kind 116 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:20,320 of accept as true, but they're not actually true. 117 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:22,760 They're not objectively true. 118 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:23,960 So I tested the belief. 119 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:24,960 But anyways, here I am. 120 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:26,880 I'm standing next to my body. 121 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:31,600 I'm looking at the dead body, and I'm wondering, what was the point of all that? 122 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:37,400 By the way, the people that are listening can't see you, and I can tell this is hard to talk 123 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:41,880 about, and I really appreciate you opening up like this. 124 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:47,400 As you're standing next to your body, it seemed like you didn't feel much emotion. 125 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:49,960 You didn't feel like, oh no, what am I doing here? 126 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:53,520 I've got to figure out how to get back in, or I've got to something. 127 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:55,320 It was almost a matter of fact. 128 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:56,320 Is that the case? 129 00:07:56,320 --> 00:08:03,760 Yeah, it's very odd, because you would think that you might be afraid, or maybe you'd 130 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:10,200 be surprised, or you'd be wondering what was happening, maybe you'd be confused. 131 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:12,400 But that just wasn't the case. 132 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:16,960 I was just standing there, like you said, in a very matter of fact way, looking at my 133 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:21,600 body contemplating the meaning of my life, because now my life was over. 134 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:24,200 And what kinds of thoughts came to your mind? 135 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:25,640 What answers were there? 136 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:32,600 Well, as I was standing there thinking about my life, all of a sudden, there were no answers. 137 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:37,120 But I became aware of the presence, and I looked around. 138 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:39,040 There was nobody there. 139 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:42,320 No spirit, no nothing. 140 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:45,120 You know how you can feel that somebody's watching you sometimes? 141 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:46,120 Sure. 142 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:47,120 That's what it was. 143 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:48,680 It was like I was being observed. 144 00:08:48,680 --> 00:08:55,200 So you weren't met by a bright light and ancestors and all that kind of thing? 145 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:58,360 No bright light, no ancestors. 146 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:04,080 All I am is standing beside myself, looking at my body, contemplating the meaning of my 147 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:07,760 life up to that point, because it seemed kind of meaningless. 148 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:10,940 Like why did I go through all of this stuff? 149 00:09:10,940 --> 00:09:12,280 Why was I sexually molested? 150 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:13,280 Why was I bullied? 151 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:15,040 Why was I addicted to drugs? 152 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:20,120 Why did I have this educational journey where I discovered that I had held false beliefs 153 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:22,160 about myself and then overcame those beliefs? 154 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:24,400 What was the point of it all? 155 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:28,480 And then all of a sudden, there's this presence, I look around, nothing there. 156 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:31,560 I could just feel that I was being observed. 157 00:09:31,560 --> 00:09:34,280 And then that's when everything changed. 158 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:40,880 So I was basically, I don't know if anybody out there is a Star Trek fan, but I like to 159 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:44,360 talk about the holodeck in Star Trek. 160 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:46,320 It was like I was in a holodeck. 161 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:51,960 And for those of you who don't know, a holodeck is like a advanced computer program that uses 162 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:57,160 holographic technology and it seemed absolutely real. 163 00:09:57,160 --> 00:09:58,800 And it can take you anywhere. 164 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:04,000 You can talk to any person, you can go to any location, you can pretty much do anything. 165 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:09,800 And it's just, it's composed of light that is solid and you're just instantly transported. 166 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:11,520 That's what this was like. 167 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:15,520 I was shown two visions. 168 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:23,480 The first was I saw the life that I could have lived had I not died. 169 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:26,200 So I was shown image after image after image. 170 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:34,160 And after each image that I was shown, there was this idea of this would have happened, 171 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:37,720 but you're dead now and it's not going to happen. 172 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:43,680 I was shown all of the people, the friends that I would have met, the child that I would 173 00:10:43,680 --> 00:10:49,120 have had, the woman that I would have met and married and fell in love with, all of the 174 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:55,400 joyful experiences that were there for me, but that I would never experience because 175 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:57,400 I had passed on. 176 00:10:57,400 --> 00:11:02,280 And the second thing I was shown was everybody that was affected by my death. 177 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:08,600 I was shown like the funeral, the people who spoke at the funeral, all the different conversations 178 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:12,600 that were had about my passing between family members and friends. 179 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:18,640 And in particular, I was shown this very vivid image of my mother finding my dead body on 180 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:20,440 her couch. 181 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:26,200 I had pus running out of my mouth and my body was all discolored. 182 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:30,640 And she was out in service as a Jehovah's Witness going door to door. 183 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:33,800 And then she came home and found my dead body. 184 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:38,920 And when she first saw my dead body, she had all of these memories that I could see. 185 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:44,200 I could see these memories and I could feel the emotions of the memories that she had. 186 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:51,080 And they were memories of raising me as a little baby, first foods, tickling me and 187 00:11:51,080 --> 00:12:00,680 giggling, me twirling her hair with my finger around my finger, first steps, getting snowed 188 00:12:00,680 --> 00:12:06,720 in, eating cookies, image after image after image of these joyful experiences that my 189 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:09,840 mother had as raising me as a little baby. 190 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:15,680 And then the next thing I know, she starts screaming, my baby, my baby, oh my God, my 191 00:12:15,680 --> 00:12:20,440 little baby, no, no, my baby, my baby, my baby, my baby. 192 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:25,360 Did that make you feel guilty or remorse? 193 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:27,400 It crushed me. 194 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:32,160 It was overwhelming that this had that kind of an effect. 195 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:41,760 And it just ruined her like the pit of despair and sadness and grief of losing the little 196 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:43,240 baby. 197 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:49,680 I was just overwhelmed and then the presence is there this whole time. 198 00:12:49,680 --> 00:12:55,440 I heard a voice at that point that said, and it was just a very matter of fact kind of 199 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:56,960 voice. 200 00:12:56,960 --> 00:13:00,320 Now your life is over and you wasted it. 201 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:04,080 And that was like a kick in the stomach. 202 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:11,520 And then I pleaded with the presence to not die that I can't let this happen. 203 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:12,640 And I begged. 204 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:17,760 I said, I will do anything to avert this. 205 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:23,520 Whatever is required of me, I will do it to overcome this addiction. 206 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:24,640 Please don't let me die. 207 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:26,920 Send me back, send me back. 208 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:30,440 And then the next thing I know, I'm back in my body gasping for breath. 209 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:34,120 Do you have any idea who that presence was? 210 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:35,880 Who or what? 211 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:39,000 That's a hard question to answer. 212 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:43,360 It's like asking the question, what is God or who is God? 213 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:44,360 Was it God? 214 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:45,600 Was it an archangel? 215 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:49,920 Was it some kind of a divine spirit of some type? 216 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:52,280 Jesus, Buddha? 217 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:56,120 The presence never identified itself. 218 00:13:56,120 --> 00:14:01,440 But I know now that what happened was an expression of divine love. 219 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:09,120 It was tough love, you might say, because it shook me to the core. 220 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:10,960 And that's what I needed. 221 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:13,320 I needed to be shaken. 222 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:17,160 Like wake up, you're going to die. 223 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:18,960 And this is the effect of it. 224 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:22,840 And you could have this kind of life, but look at what you're doing. 225 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:25,440 And it's because of your choices. 226 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:31,160 Before we move on, was there anything else to it, to this experience while you were next 227 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:33,240 to your body? 228 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:39,480 It was just, it seemed like an eternity in an instant. 229 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:45,840 And I was shown so many things, image after image after image after image, conversations 230 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:47,880 between people. 231 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:57,360 And basically, in retrospect, I now know that I was shown the divine blueprint for my life. 232 00:14:57,360 --> 00:15:02,560 That future that I was shown that wasn't going to happen because I had died, well, I was 233 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:05,400 given a second chance. 234 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:11,920 And I have been through, I've had to go through a lot of spiritual refinement, like confronting 235 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:17,440 my inner demons, things like that, a lot of work on myself. 236 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:21,280 But I told the presence I'd be willing to do anything. 237 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:26,840 And I followed through on that and I haven't used opiates since 2014. 238 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:35,040 And now I went from having, you know, false friends, self-confidence issues, being depressed, 239 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:38,960 all of these past traumas and things that caused a lot of pain. 240 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:40,600 I was angry. 241 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:42,040 I didn't have any money in the bank. 242 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:44,360 I was living in a crappy little apartment. 243 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:48,560 All of that has, you know, I didn't know what my purpose was. 244 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:50,600 All of that has transformed. 245 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:53,160 Now, you know, I know my purpose. 246 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:54,660 I'm confident. 247 00:15:54,660 --> 00:15:57,080 I'm calm, cool and collected. 248 00:15:57,080 --> 00:15:59,320 I am married now to love my life. 249 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:01,280 I live in a beautiful house. 250 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:06,600 I have a garden, a beautiful sun who is just a delight. 251 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:10,280 And I'm doing the work that I love every day. 252 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:17,120 That's like, that future existed and now it's actually manifested and I can see that it's 253 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:18,120 beautiful. 254 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:23,400 I'm just curious, did you see any more of your future that is still yet to come? 255 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:29,200 Just the numbers of people that I'm here to help. 256 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:33,880 I was shown thousands and thousands and thousands of people. 257 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:39,400 I feel like that, you know, I'm helping people now and that's wonderful. 258 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:44,640 But that there's more to that and more joy and more fulfillment and stuff that's coming. 259 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:47,480 So I'm guessing that's why you do coaching now. 260 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:48,480 Yes. 261 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:50,520 It's a good way to help a lot of people. 262 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:51,520 Yeah. 263 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:57,040 And getting the word out there about the experience, you know, that really ultimately death is 264 00:16:57,040 --> 00:16:59,000 nothing really to fear. 265 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:01,620 I mean, what a load off, right? 266 00:17:01,620 --> 00:17:07,360 Load off the shoulders that death isn't really something that we have to be terrified of. 267 00:17:07,360 --> 00:17:14,840 Not only that, but that there is a divine plan to our life that our choices matter, 268 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:17,920 that we can transform ourselves. 269 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:23,200 And that's part of why I'm doing these videos is just to get that message out there. 270 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:26,520 You mentioned the term divine love a minute ago. 271 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:28,000 Explain what that is. 272 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:33,560 I think it's acceptance, like total acceptance. 273 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:38,760 About a year after I had that NDE, I had gone through the steps of alcoholics anonymous 274 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:44,040 and those steps are designed, the 12 steps they call them, they're designed to give someone 275 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:46,360 a spiritual awakening. 276 00:17:46,360 --> 00:17:52,840 And Bill Wilson, the creator of alcoholics anonymous had this kind of spiritual experience 277 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:57,160 and they call it a white light experience where he was in his room and this white light 278 00:17:57,160 --> 00:17:58,160 came. 279 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:03,240 It was like the presence of God, but I had a similar type of experience about a year after 280 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:06,680 I had that near death experience where I had been having a hard time. 281 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:11,600 I'd been praying and this light, I was in my bathroom, this light came down through the 282 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:17,520 ceiling and just bathed me in a radiant energy. 283 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:25,840 The only term I could use to describe it is an x-ray love energy where it just penetrated 284 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:30,400 every aspect of my being and I was overwhelmed. 285 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:34,240 I could feel the acceptance and I started having all of these thoughts like I'm not 286 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:39,760 worthy of this experience and I started thinking about my past and the different things I had 287 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:43,080 done wrong and I'm not worthy for this experience. 288 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:49,320 And whatever this being was, whether it was God, Jesus, Buddha, it was something very 289 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:54,480 pure and holy and it came down through the ceiling and it didn't care about any of those 290 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:56,440 mistakes I had made. 291 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:59,880 I was judging myself, but it was not judging me. 292 00:18:59,880 --> 00:19:04,160 It was like, okay, interesting, you have those thoughts. 293 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:10,880 Let's just move right through those thoughts and its energy just penetrated the thoughts, 294 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:18,000 penetrated every aspect of my emotions, my thinking, my body and I was just bathed in 295 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:24,920 this warm, appreciative, non-judgmental love acceptance. 296 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:29,120 We're someone out there that may be going through an opiate addiction. 297 00:19:29,120 --> 00:19:30,960 What advice do you have for them? 298 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:35,000 What worked for you besides the NDE? 299 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:40,760 So I went through the steps of Alcoholics Anonymous, but first of all, if someone's watching this 300 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:45,760 right now and they're addicted to opiates, that there is a solution to the addiction 301 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:51,880 problem because when you're stuck in the opiate addiction, it can really seem like there's 302 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:54,720 no way out. 303 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:56,240 It consumes your life. 304 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:57,720 There's no solution. 305 00:19:57,720 --> 00:19:58,720 There's no way out. 306 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:01,400 This is just how it is and I just have to keep going. 307 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:08,360 But you need to realize that there is a solution and if you need help, contact me and I'll 308 00:20:08,360 --> 00:20:13,280 tell you more about the solution and you can change. 309 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:16,480 You can, that there is a divine plan. 310 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:21,640 You're meant to live a better life than this and you can overcome this. 311 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:23,320 You're ready to go all in. 312 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:27,040 Are you ready to put your cards on the table? 313 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:28,280 Total commitment. 314 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:36,080 Total commitment helps, but before total commitment, just a willingness, a willingness to entertain 315 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:41,760 the possibility that there is a solution and you can overcome these opiates, whether it's 316 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:47,360 heroin, methadone, oxy-cotton, all of these different opiates. 317 00:20:47,360 --> 00:20:51,760 You can overcome them and you can live, you can be happy and you can experience fulfillment 318 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:55,200 in life without the use of these substances. 319 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:59,160 So it seems like this experience completely changed your life. 320 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:00,520 I'd say that's fair. 321 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:02,480 Tell me what else you learned from it. 322 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:10,000 So a lot of what I learned from the near-death experience came after the near-death experience. 323 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:15,960 For instance, when I was sexually molested, I realized after this near-death experience, 324 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:20,680 when I was going through the steps of alcoholics, anonymous that that pain from that hadn't 325 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:29,720 been resolved and I needed to go back to the basics and get to the root cause of the addiction. 326 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:33,360 Because if I didn't get to the root cause, it would just grow back like a weed and I'd 327 00:21:33,360 --> 00:21:35,040 return to the old behavior. 328 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:44,760 But anyways, I had to learn how to forgive and that resentment and anger overpassed things 329 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:51,800 that have happened, traumas, things that people did to me, that that was really sucking the 330 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:56,240 energy from me and having a majorly destructive effect in my life. 331 00:21:56,240 --> 00:22:03,160 But I had to learn how to totally forgive among many other things. 332 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:07,880 Even when somebody doesn't ask for it, that's when it's the hardest, isn't it? 333 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:16,280 It can be until you explore the techniques of forgiveness because you really have to 334 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:17,280 be ready. 335 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:18,280 Right. 336 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:22,120 You mentioned something to me the other day, a term, quantum forgiveness. 337 00:22:22,120 --> 00:22:24,440 Is that something that you came up with? 338 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:25,440 Yeah. 339 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:30,160 I'm building a course right now, an online course called Quantum Forgiveness. 340 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:37,760 And it's how to take back your time and energy so that you can quickly accomplish your most 341 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:39,120 important life goals. 342 00:22:39,120 --> 00:22:42,680 But what does that mean, quantum forgiveness? 343 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:47,960 It's the kind of forgiveness that transforms the reality that you're experiencing. 344 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:53,600 It's like jumping from, I don't know if you've ever seen the show Quantum Leap. 345 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:54,600 Sure. 346 00:22:54,600 --> 00:23:00,920 It's like moving from one existence into another, from one person into another. 347 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:06,080 And it changes really, it's almost like, I don't know if it's jumping timelines, you 348 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:10,560 might call it, or entering a parallel universe. 349 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:16,280 But when you change yourself through quantum entanglement, you get into studying quantum 350 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:20,000 physics, there's this thing, quantum entanglement. 351 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:23,880 And it's basically faster than like causality. 352 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:32,080 So you change something inside of yourself and it alters everything else instantly. 353 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:33,840 Give me an example. 354 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:41,160 You forgive, like in my case, I forgave the guy who sexually molested me when I was eight. 355 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:50,360 And I practiced some techniques and came to a place of deep, profound forgiveness. 356 00:23:50,360 --> 00:23:56,440 And that changed something inside of me, which also affected all my family members. 357 00:23:56,440 --> 00:24:00,440 It changed the way I interact in the world. 358 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:07,520 And because the way I interact in the world changed, that interaction changes others. 359 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:14,120 And then I believe that it actually helped uplift all of humanity because we're all connected. 360 00:24:14,120 --> 00:24:18,120 We're all fundamentally one at a deep level. 361 00:24:18,120 --> 00:24:19,940 Everything is one. 362 00:24:19,940 --> 00:24:26,200 We put labels on things, we differentiate things with our human mind and our consciousness. 363 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:32,000 We have these concepts of different and the same and one and not one. 364 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:36,640 But at a fundamental level, the whole universe is connected. 365 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:38,640 And we're all one. 366 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:45,960 And when I released that karma of resentment toward the guy who sexually molested me, it 367 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:49,680 actually shifted something for everyone. 368 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:54,760 And now everyone has more of an opportunity to practice forgiveness themselves. 369 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:56,920 It gets a little bit easier. 370 00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,440 It's quantum forgiveness. 371 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:01,560 Just trying to absorb that. 372 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:03,360 I need to study quantum physics more. 373 00:25:03,360 --> 00:25:06,120 This comes up on the podcast all the time. 374 00:25:06,120 --> 00:25:08,160 And I don't have a good enough understanding. 375 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:15,560 Maybe that should be one of my big objectives this year is to understand this whole thing 376 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:16,560 better. 377 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:24,440 So most people have not had an NDE like you that helped them go, okay, before this was 378 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:28,640 my old life, after this is going to be my new life. 379 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:34,120 Any advice for people that need to make a big change in their life but aren't going 380 00:25:34,120 --> 00:25:38,800 to have a big significant thing like you had? 381 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,440 How do they say today's the day? 382 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:48,720 That's tough because you can say today's the day and then you can try it and then fail 383 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,240 miserably and fall right on your face. 384 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:55,520 I would say to make sure to prepare. 385 00:25:55,520 --> 00:26:02,960 And if it's something like a heroin addiction to get some help and if you want, you can 386 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:05,640 reach out to me and talk to me about it. 387 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:09,480 I talk to people all the time about these kind of things and I don't judge. 388 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:10,840 I just listen. 389 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:12,880 And there are solutions. 390 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:18,640 But if it's something really significant, you're going to need to be prepared to maybe 391 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:22,760 put your life on pause and go all in, right? 392 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:29,280 Talk to some people about the decision that you're going to make that today is the day 393 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:35,080 and just make sure to have a plan and rally your support system and then be willing to 394 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:36,960 do whatever it takes to succeed. 395 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:37,960 Okay. 396 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:40,600 Well, I appreciate all that advice. 397 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:45,840 We'll put your contact info on the show notes in case people want to contact you. 398 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:51,280 And any last thoughts, advice or other that you want to leave with us? 399 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:53,640 Have you heard of the logos, Eric? 400 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,040 I don't know what it is. 401 00:26:56,040 --> 00:27:02,320 In my business, a logo, I know what that is because I helped produce hundreds of them. 402 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:03,960 But go ahead with logos. 403 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:04,960 Yeah. 404 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:11,320 Well, the word logo is actually connected to this concept as are the words like logic 405 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:16,040 and psychology, right, sociology. 406 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:18,600 Yeah, that root word is there. 407 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:19,720 Right. 408 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:29,720 And John 1-1 in the Bible says, in the beginning was the word and the word was with God and 409 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:32,240 the word was God. 410 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:36,280 But if you go back to the original Greek, it's logos. 411 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:43,160 So this is something that's been written about for a long time and Heraclitus, the ancient 412 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:46,080 Greek philosopher wrote about the logos. 413 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:53,520 But it's basically a divine, my understanding of it is a divine blueprint that we all have 414 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:55,760 a reason for being here. 415 00:27:55,760 --> 00:28:01,520 And it's just a matter of turning down the noise of the world, right, to really kind 416 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:05,280 of get a glimpse of what that means for you. 417 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:08,040 Like what is the divine plan for your life? 418 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:14,160 And there is one to understand this logos and to find meaning in your life. 419 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:22,640 The kind of meaning that brings you fulfillment and a feeling of contribution and service. 420 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:29,880 And figuring that out can do a lot for you as far as like being happy, content, satisfied 421 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:30,880 with life. 422 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:36,240 That will also help to self-esteem issues like what you used to deal with. 423 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:37,240 Absolutely. 424 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:43,360 Because when you have a purpose, you are pursuing the purpose and you're generating your own 425 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:44,360 meaning. 426 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:50,080 You're not just being pushed around by the world, going from one emergency to the next. 427 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,880 But having that as a kind of anchor. 428 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:57,200 And this guy, Dr. Victor Frankl, wrote a book called Logotherapy. 429 00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:01,720 He was a psychotherapist who was in a Nazi concentration camp. 430 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:06,400 And then he survived that and he wrote a book called Logotherapy. 431 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:10,480 But it's basically meaning therapy. 432 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:16,480 But find your meaning, find your purpose, and then have that as a crystal clear vision 433 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:18,000 and use it as an anchor. 434 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:19,000 All right. 435 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:20,000 Thanks a lot, Brandon. 436 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:21,640 Appreciate you being with us today. 437 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:22,640 Sure. 438 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:23,640 My pleasure. 439 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:27,920 Thanks again for listening and sharing this podcast. 440 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:34,000 Don't forget to hit the follow or subscribe button and sign up for our newsletter at roundtriptest.com. 441 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:38,280 If you want to share your near-death experience or if you have questions or comments about 442 00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:42,800 the show, send an email to eric at roundtriptest.com. 443 00:29:42,800 --> 00:30:09,640 Until then, I wish you everything good that you're looking for in this life and the next.