Welcome to a bonus episode of Round Trip Death and part two of our conversation with Dr. Lottie.
A few weeks ago on this podcast, I asked for some input about the future of the show and I
received a bunch of it. And part of what we were curious about is how much you want to know
about things that are related to near-death experiences in addition to the NDEs themselves.
There are other things that seem a little bit out in the woo-woo, but do we want to be talking
about those? And the consensus pretty much agreed with what Will and I were already thinking,
which is that from time to time on one of our bonus episodes, we will get a little bit more off in
the quote woo-woo and talk about some other things that have some relation to NDEs. Today is one of
those days and we are going to hear about things like ancestral healing and medical mediumship.
And we are also going to be talking about quantum theory and quantum entanglement and some things
like that. And that might sound a little bit boring, the quantum stuff, but it is actually super
interesting hearing about it from Dr. Lottie. So with that little bit of intro, let's get back to the interview.
From the time that they pronounced me dead, it was a good 45 minutes.
They cut my clothes and then they paddled my heart, my heart had stopped and I could see people
screaming and crying, but I didn't realize that was actually my physical body because I was somewhere
else. The only thing that I could feel, if you could imagine, absolute love and peace, there
wasn't anything else to be felt. I was greeted by people I'd known in the past. I'm back home again.
Incredibly safe and felt at home. Let's make a bit of a transition now.
One of the things that I wanted to ask about before we get into some of the things that I found on
your bio is, again, you just very briefly mentioned that for 12 years, watches didn't work. Tell me
about some of those odd things that happened. We've heard, I've heard some of this from other
people too and I think they're hilarious. Go ahead. My watch died. I put my watch on back in the
September of 1992 and after wearing it for a few days, it died. We didn't have cell phones back then.
I didn't never know what time it was because my watch died. I was like, okay, well, when I get
better, I get a watch. It literally took me nine months before I had the strength to take my kids,
walk inside the store, buy a watch and leave because I had so little blood because now I was
going into the bone marrow suppression that I wasn't aware that was happening. I buy this new
watch, I wear it for about five days and it stops. I said, wow, that was so much work to get that watch.
I can't believe I had to go back now, return it. I musted up some more strength on a good day.
We went back to the store and returned the watch. I said, I don't know what's wrong,
but it stopped. They were, wow, this is weird. We haven't gotten any other watches back,
but go pick out a new one. Got a new watch, came home, wore it for five days and it stopped.
I said, wow, again, this has got to be some problem with quality control and manufacturing.
I mean, it's the same brand, brought the watch back and they were at puzzled again. We haven't
gotten any other watches back and I said, all right, I'll get a different brand this time.
Got a different brand watch, went home, wore it for five days, it stopped.
So then I tell my friend what had happened and she just started laughing and she said,
it's not the watches, honey, it's you. I said, what do you mean it's me? So I said, all right,
return the watch and get another one. But that first year, it took an entire year
for my watch to take for one month. So after one year, we're not watching,
my watch take for a month before it died. So by the time my daughter was three,
three and a half, I had 16, 17 watches in my top bureau drawer. And I always got the watches with
a second hand because it was the only way I would know if it was ticking because after lying in the
drawer for a while, some of the watches would start ticking. So I would just rotate, hold the
watches up, oh, this one's working. I can wear this one. So I would wear that for like a few days
and then he would stop, put that one back in the drawer, get another one. And that's how it was.
So they would eventually come back to life. That is so funny. What do you make of that?
Since you know quantum physics, does that have something to do with it?
I think so. So it took me 12 years to have my watch tick for 12 months. So for every year,
it like increased a month. So after two years, the watch ticked for two months. After three years,
the watch ticked for three months. So it was a longer and longer. And after 12 years, it ticked
almost to the day 12 months. And at that point, I stopped wearing watches for a while. I said,
that's it. I'm healed. That's when I got the message, I need to go to medical school. And it
was 12 years. It was this big transition. My whole body all of a sudden came back into functioning.
But I think that, you know, what happens, there is something that's, we are energy, right? We are
energy that's vibrating at a slower speed. And when you're outside your body in spirit form,
you're at a higher frequency. We go back into this world, it's very heavy because everything
vibrates at a slower speed. So when you have these experiences, you know, there's something that
happens energetically, you know, we are, we are magnetic beings too, right? So we measure the
heart rate, you know, we can put all these electrodes on your brain, on your heart to
measure the electricity in our body. When you go through these major events, and you're also sick,
there's obviously something that happens to that. And when you think about when we're sick,
there's something in your body that's not vibrating at the right frequency, and it
creates that disease. So when you're having all these, you know, you're, you're out of your body,
and then you come back to your body, and then you're really sick, things aren't going to be
vibrating at the normal level. And I think that is what's, that's my opinion of what interferes
with things. So when my daughter was one, I walked by the television, and the television turned on.
And I said, wow, you know, I said, you grandma, looking around the room thinking, oh my gosh,
this, why is that turning on all of a sudden? So I'm thinking, well, my kids, you know, was my
oldest boy was just turning seven, my other son was four and a half, my daughter was one.
And I said, well, maybe they're playing a prank on me, maybe the kids have the clicker,
they were playing right outside with some other kids. Nope, the kids are on the other side of the
courtyard playing outside the neighbor's door. And I said, okay, probably it's a neighbor that's
watching TV. And when they turned on their TV, they have the same TV we do. And some,
they maybe they aim the clicker, it went through the window and it hit my TV. And that's how it
turned on. I went to eight neighbors doors all around me, rang their doorbell. Hey, are you home,
are you watching TV? No, I'm not watching TV. They probably thought I was crazy.
This is like the atheist coming back out or definitely the scientist anyway.
I just couldn't accept, you know, those things. I was like, what's happening? So I was like,
okay, nobody's watching TV. That's just really weird. Some, some fluke, some electrical discharge.
I come in, walk by the television, turn back on, you know, I was like, okay, there's, so there's
definitely something that happens, right? And now I know from listening to other people's stories,
people get mad and the light bulb explodes and, you know, lights blink on the street when they're
walking on the street lights and things like that. So there's definitely something that happens with,
you know, the way our physical appearance are, right? Because we're just energy in the end.
And the way that frequency is interfering with electrical grid or other, other things.
A couple of funny ones that I've heard recently from people that I've interviewed.
One woman was in a cell phone store buying a new smartphone and just holding it in her hand for a
couple of minutes and it would die. And then they'd give her another one and it would die. And they'd
give her another one and it would die. But maybe funnier than that is a woman whose husband was
really into video games. And if she got anywhere near like within 10 feet of that TV or video game
console, it would turn off and the power would shut down. You were the opposite. The power would go on.
Right. But I had the same problem too. So that first year, you know, my son was six and my other boy
was, you know, three and a half, four. And as it all right, it's time you guys can watch a video now
for a little bit and because, you know, I needed to rest and take care of the baby. I could not turn
on the VCR. It was back when we had the big V tapes, the big clunky ones. And I could not turn
it on. So I would stand in the doorway and I would instruct my son, no, not that button,
that one that's up on the corner left, the one that has an arrow pushed out one and teach him,
like, from a distance how to turn on the VCR. Because if I went over there, it wouldn't work.
Like I could go over there, try and push, start it. Nope. Not going to happen. And so he learned
with me standing almost in the next room, guiding him. That's so funny. It definitely,
definitely there is something that, that happens. The vacuum cleaner turned on once
my son was five and I was helping him with it with a zipper on his jacket. And the vacuum is on
the outside of the room and it turns on by itself. And my five year old just says, mom,
the vacuum just turned on by itself. And it was a brand new vacuum cleaner. We still have that
vacuum cleaner. I mean, it's literally 30 years old. I hope it was plugged in. It was plugged in.
But it started by itself. I mean, it was just these weird things that happened. And especially in
the beginning, it was, it was, you know, worse that first and second year. And then it was,
you know, just the watches, but, you know, all those things you hear about the phone calls
dropping and VCR is not turning on or off. It's just that electrical interference.
And there has to be some relationship between that and spiritual gifts that people often come
back with. And I don't have a scientific study to prove that what the relationship is or anything
else, but it's pretty obvious, I think for my non scientific brain. Okay, let me go on and ask
you something else. So you've studied really your nature path training. You were studying western
and eastern medicine, both, and you have this spirituality experience. So is that integrated
with your medicine as well? Or do you stick with the textbook eastern western medicine?
Right. So I work online with people now from all over the world as a medical medium or medical
intuitive. To me, it's almost the same because I always work with the spirit world now. The spirit
world is always there. And so, you know, people often fall through the cracks of they're either
misdiagnosed. There's a lot of things we don't know, right? When you go to medical school,
you think you're going to know everything when you come out. When you graduate, you realize
how much medicine is an art, not a science. Because there's so many things that we don't know. And
there's many times people get sick and they the hospital or the doctor will run the tests,
they all come back normal. They're experiencing things that we can't test them easily, we don't
have any tests for it. And for some reason, those are the typically the people that show up on my
screen. So I always work with the spirit world. And sometimes people get on my screen and say,
you know, I got all these allergies, I have, you know, this irritable bowel syndrome. And I said,
no, the spirit world tells me you have endometriosis. So tell me about your periods. And they're
like, Oh, yeah, they're terrible. blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I'm like, Okay, there it is.
So it doesn't matter what the person says on the screen, because the spirit world is still going
to tell me something. Sometimes I will get a medical diagnosis. I'll just hear medical diagnosis
and say, Hey, did anybody ever tell you that you might have this? And they say, I don't even know
what that is. And then I'll say, Okay, well, the symptoms that go along with this disease are these
things. Because I have the medical training. And then they say, Yeah, I have all those symptoms.
And I say, Yeah, the reason they're not catching it is because there's often misdiagnosed, and you
fall through the cracks, because it's not something you can easily see on a test or.
So this is known as medical mediumship, right? Right. Medical, yeah, medical medium or medical
and medical intuitive. So how about the medical establishment? You know, you have some kind of
state medical board there in Arizona. Yeah. Do they hear about this? Do they give you a hard time
because of it? Yeah, I can't work like that under my license, right? So you have to, if you work as a
physician, you work under your license, you have to do everything that is according to your license,
run the tests, you have to chart everything and what you found, what those findings were,
but I work spiritually with people through my website as a medical medium where they, you know,
they know I'm not working as a doctor, for example, because I'm tuning in spiritually
to what the spirit world is guiding me to, but I'm also using my medical knowledge to back up
what the spirit world is telling me. So it's become this integrative integrative. And now I
understand what the spirit world, you know, said from the beginning, you're, you know, you need this
degree, but you're working spiritually with people and you're to bring messages and healing to the
people. And so that is about bringing messages, I would say is a lot of that is evidential medium
ship reading where you're connecting with your loved ones in the spirit world. But also I work with
people spirit guides. Sometimes people come to a fork in their life and they're thinking, I don't
even know why I'm here, like, what am I supposed to be doing? What is my incarnation? And so I have
an a session called spirit messages from your spirit guides. And I tune into that person spirit
guide. And I see a lot of my information. So I get a lot of images. And that's how I read the spirit
world. And I see the spirit guide. And I quickly draw it. It takes like five or six minutes. I just
make like a sketch of that spirit guide, which then I send to the client afterwards. It's kind of fun
for them to see what I see on my end. But when I see their spirit guide, I also know something
about them. I know who they are. I know what they're here to do in a different way, because you kind
of are a mirror of your spirit guide. It's almost like the spirit guide is part of you. They're so
close to you that you can almost not see it. But when I see the spirit guide, I also know something
about them and why they're here and what they're here to do and what kind of person they are.
And so it can help people figure out what what they're here to do. Sometimes it could just be,
you know, like a message, you need to do this more or you're not taking care of yourself or whatever
it is that is not going well. Okay. All right. What is ancestral healing? Yeah. And ancestral
healing is so it came about, I was doing mediumship readings. So I'm connecting with the spirit world,
doing a connecting with grandma or grandpa or mom or dad. And I had a couple of readings in a row
that were almost identical to the point you're thinking, what is this? Why am I getting the same
reading with every client for several days in a row? And the message was always, you know,
your grandmother is here. Now your grandmother had a very hard life. And she was physically abused
by your grandfather. Do you understand this? Yes. I said, then your I see three kids, one of them is
your mom, and she married your dad, but he was also physically abusive. Your dad physically
abused your mom, but he also physically abused you. Is that correct? Yes. And I had four readings in a
row like that. And I was like, what is it? Why do I keep seeing why is the same message coming?
And I had already read the book by Mark Olin. It didn't start with you. And I had tried to attend
his seminar a couple of times, but I was in a residency. And whenever he that seminar was held,
I was alone in the clinic, covering for everybody else, all the other doctors. So I could never go.
Well, now it's the pandemic. And he's offering this class online. And so for a couple of months,
me, all the other physicians and counselors around the world are studying ancestral healing
with Mark Olin. I learned the patterns of the ancestral healing and how things actually get
passed down. So the traumatic events that were unresolved by your ancestors and swept under
the carpet. So when you say, you know, why don't we ever talk about Uncle Billy? And your mom says,
we don't talk about Uncle Billy. Now something is up with Uncle Billy. He did something or
there was some trauma there that got swept under the carpet. We don't talk about it.
Those are the things that get passed down to the next generations. And I would say we all
take a few of them. So it may be Uncle Billy did six things that were unresolved. You carry one,
your sister carries one, your brother, your brother carries two and some other sister carries two.
So you divided them up between yourself. I'll take this one. And so those patterns of behaviors,
fears, traumas, disease, not marrying the right person, OCD anxiety, it gets passed down to the
next person in that in that family, in that soul family. When you say passed down, is this actually
genetic? So it's passed down genetically because we know now from research that trauma is passed down
on the genes. They've done studies on the Holocaust survivors. And we can see that it's passed down
on the genes. We know it goes to the grandkids already in a few years, we'll say great grandkids,
right? But those genes are transferred down because we make an epigenetic change in the
what's going to express and how it's going to express. So if you had a grandpa that served in the war,
and every time those sirens went off because the airplanes were coming in and we're going to bomb,
he thought this is the day I'm going to die. And so he now changes his expression of his genetics
to warn his future offspring that when you hear the siren, you take cover. That's danger, right?
So now it's not war anymore. And you're he survives the war, he has kids, and then his kids have kids.
So now you have a granddaughter. The granddaughter has a panic attack. Every time she hears a siren,
like an ambulance, a fire, police, any kind of siren, she has a panic attack. But she has never
had a traumatic experience herself. Why is it that she has a panic attack when she hears the sirens?
That's because epigenetically it was passed down from grandpa, the danger. And there's research
that have been done on that, like epigenetic inheritance of odor fear conditioning that was
published back in Nature Science back in 2013. And it was a study that was led by Brian Diaz.
And they took mice and they exposed them to a cherry blossom smell. Every time the mice smell
the cherry blossom smell, they will get an electric shock. Well, of course, the mice learned to fear
the cherry blossom smell, they're like cherry blossom smell take cover, we're going to get an
electric shock. Then they took the sperm of that male mice artificially inseminated the female mice,
and her baby mice were fearful of the cherry blossom smell. They had never been in contact
with the cherry blossom smell, they had never received an electric shock, but it was transferred
down. And so we know this from humans too, and they've identified genes, I know the FKBP5 gene
is one of the genes in the human that is transferred down. But as the research goes on, I know more
genes have been discovered already. But it's transferred down on the DNA, but also it's
transferred down through quantum physics. So that grid that I saw during my near death experience
of how everything is connected to everything else, that is quantum entanglement. And so we are
entangled with our ancestors through quantum entanglement. And if you go back to the Nobel
Prize winners last year, there were three physicists that received the Nobel Prize in physics,
where they showed that if they take they have a pair of atoms and another like pair A of atoms,
pair B of atoms, they take one of the atoms from pair A, and one of the atoms from pair B, they
put them together. Now those two atoms have met. But the other two atoms in the pair that have not
met are now entangled because two of the atoms met. And so whatever happens to atom A is going to
affect atom B, and it's going to affect the ones that never even met because of the entanglement.
Right? So we have the entanglement through time and space that is instantaneous. And that is,
you know, faster than the speed of light. That is the spooky action at a distance that Einstein
talked about. But we are entangled with all the people that you come in contact with, all the
animals, all the plants, the trees, the earth, the people in the spirit world. You are entangled
with that, but you also carry it on your genes if there is trauma from your ancestors.
My poor little brain is sort of exploding right now. Tell me if I'm summarizing this correctly.
In the simplest terms I can use, trauma that one of our ancestors had may be passed down to us.
Trauma we have may be passed down to children, grandchildren, great-grandchildren, etc. That's
a scientifically proved fact now. Yes. Right? Yep. Okay. So then the question is, how do we heal that?
Besides calling you, what else can we do to heal those things because we don't even know that they're
there. Yeah, you work through your issues, right? You have to dig. You know, what is it that, you
know, what are your fears? Where is that coming from? So, you know, I teach a lot of classes too
on ancestral healing and you can also work with me individually. But when people get sick, when
people have fears, when people have struggles, you know, where is that coming from? And sometimes
we don't see it. You know, I work with decisions, counselors, psychotherapists that come to me and
and then I point out to them what the problem is and they kind of laugh and they say, wow,
wow, it's so interesting. I do this for other people all day long, but I couldn't see it for
myself. And I think it's very common because we are so, we are in the forest, we are so deep in
the forest, we can't even see the trees. It's just we're tied into that our own experiences
emotionally and it's difficult to take the bird's eye view of your own family, your own experiences.
You know, that's why it's so much easier for somebody else to see it, right? Even if you're a
psychotherapist, counselor, or physician, you're not going to see it because I work with them.
They're my clients also and they can't see it either even though they have that education
because I think it's just difficult when it's your own issues. Sometimes you need somebody else to
help you untangle that, right? Yeah. So, let's say I have a fear of heights and maybe my great-great
grandfather fell off a cliff and broke his leg or something. Okay. How do I get over that?
You have to figure out where it comes from. Is it, you know, so you look at your history,
you know, who fell off a cliff and broke the leg, right? That was grandpa. Okay, now you know,
you merged with that, but you carry your subconscious mind does this thing where it
merges with your parents' experiences and other people's experiences. You repeat,
your subconscious mind helps them carry that burden. That's how they look at it in ancestral
healing. So, we don't take it on because we want to carry the burden. No, we do it out of love for
that person, but it doesn't matter if your parent was a loving and kind person or they were not a
loving kind person because when you're an infant and a toddler, you're dependent on that caregiver
and you try to do things right and help that person because you have unconditional love for
that caretaker. Without that person, you're not going to live. You're not going to have food.
You're not going to have a place to sleep. Right? So, it's that entanglement of merging with things,
but sometimes it's hard to figure out where it's coming from unless we, you know,
untangle it. But you always work with adults. If somebody comes to me and says, you know,
my teenager has this problem, it's not the teenager's problem. It's the adult's problem.
So, you work with the mom and the dad to try and figure out where that is coming from.
Why is this child having OCD? Why is this child having issues or being afraid of certain things?
Well, it's coming from somewhere. Everything comes from somewhere. It's all the energy in the end.
All right. We need to wrap up. Give me one last thought for everybody. And it can be on this
topic or back to the NDEs. Anything that you've learned that can really give somebody hope today?
I would say, you know, we are all one. We are all connected. It's one human race. We are part of
the earth. We are not living on the earth. We are part of this entire magnificent creation.
So, we are all one and we're all connected and it's all divine. And so is every listener
that's listening to this show today. Thank you very much. Dr. Lottie, appreciate you being with us.
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