1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:08,400 From the time that they pronounced me deaf was a good 45 minutes. 2 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:13,440 They cut my clothes and then they paddled my heart, my heart had stopped. 3 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:18,120 And I could see people screaming and crying, but I didn't realize that was actually my 4 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:21,320 physical body because I was somewhere else. 5 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:27,400 The only thing that I could feel, if you could imagine, absolute love and peace, there wasn't 6 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:29,400 anything else to be felt. 7 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:32,520 I was greeted by people I'd known in the past. 8 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:34,160 On back home again. 9 00:00:34,160 --> 00:00:36,480 Incredibly safe and felt at home. 10 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:43,600 Welcome to Round Trip Death, everybody, and welcome, welcome all over the world, wherever 11 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:47,920 you're listening from, and especially during this holiday season. 12 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:50,680 We have a nice guest today, Ray Katanya. 13 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:52,160 Good morning, how are you? 14 00:00:52,160 --> 00:00:53,160 Good morning, Eric. 15 00:00:53,160 --> 00:00:54,280 Thank you for having me on the show. 16 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:55,880 I'm honored and grateful. 17 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:58,640 Well, you're welcome. 18 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:01,960 Morning, afternoon, evening, wherever we are. 19 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:03,160 I know it's afternoon for you. 20 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:06,120 You're on the east coast of the US, correct? 21 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:07,120 Yes. 22 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:09,280 I'm on the New York, New Jersey border. 23 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:15,040 It's the first suburb outside of the city, and I also touch with upstate New York, so 24 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:16,040 it's nice. 25 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:18,640 You get the best of both worlds. 26 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:20,240 That's a beautiful area. 27 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:22,760 You don't have much of that accent. 28 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:24,760 You're not near Brookland or anything. 29 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:26,880 Wait for it. 30 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:27,880 Wait for it. 31 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:28,880 It'll come out. 32 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:30,200 I've been trying to lose yours. 33 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:35,440 Well, before we jump into your near-death experience, and I'll let our listeners know, 34 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:40,880 as they already know, every experience is different, and yours is different too, and 35 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:43,040 I love that, and that's going to be a lot of fun. 36 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:46,040 This happened to you back when you were a teenager. 37 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:50,160 But tell us a little bit about you so we can get to know you a little bit first. 38 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:54,200 So today, I am a life coach. 39 00:01:54,200 --> 00:02:00,920 I just got my master's degree in metaphysics, so I teach metaphysics as well. 40 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:07,960 I love the fact that in metaphysics, we bring science to spirituality, and because I come 41 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:13,640 from such a skeptical background myself, the title of my first book is The Atheist in the 42 00:02:13,640 --> 00:02:17,400 Afterlife, I was the atheist, obviously. 43 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:20,440 And so I was a big skeptic. 44 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:25,160 And in order for me to overcome that, I needed to learn the science behind it. 45 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:31,720 So I had a combination of formal education, but I also had the informal education, where 46 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:34,800 I had several mentors who were great to me. 47 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:41,400 And so the combination of learning from all of those sources, as well as I'm a voracious 48 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:48,840 reader, I felt like it enabled me to coach people in a way that was a little different 49 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:50,400 than most. 50 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:53,600 And it seems to be working well for them. 51 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:58,920 So I think that this is where my calling is, and I left the business world a few years 52 00:02:58,920 --> 00:02:59,920 back. 53 00:02:59,920 --> 00:03:04,160 And this is what I've decided to devote my life to, and it's been going very well ever 54 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:05,160 since. 55 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:12,280 Scientists are all into the scientific theory, the way they prove things. 56 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:13,280 Just very briefly. 57 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:18,560 I don't want an hour jumping down this rabbit hole, but tell me how this works. 58 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:21,000 How does science prove these things? 59 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:26,520 So when you can find a scientific theory that's behind pretty much any spiritual theory, but 60 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:28,280 you have to look for it. 61 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:33,760 And in order for it to be in the second book, I have to find that, have to fine tune it. 62 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:35,320 And I also have to replicate it. 63 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:37,320 So let's I'll give you an example. 64 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:39,280 Let's look at the law of attraction. 65 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:45,480 We were familiar with the movie and the book, The Secret, and you can manifest and you can 66 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:46,720 attain things. 67 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:49,000 And yes, that is true, right? 68 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:51,040 But how does that really work? 69 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:53,320 What's behind the curtain that makes that work? 70 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:58,600 Well, as Tesla told us, energy, frequency and vibration are the three key elements to the 71 00:03:58,600 --> 00:03:59,600 universe. 72 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:01,920 If you want to know the secrets, they lie there. 73 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:03,560 Very true statement for this. 74 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:07,840 The law of vibration supports the law of attraction. 75 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:16,240 When we think thoughts are things, when we say things, words are things, we emit an energy 76 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:20,200 and that energy is on a specific frequency. 77 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:27,800 And when you emit that energy, you try to send it out as many times as you can in order 78 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:32,000 to attract the item you want to attract. 79 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:35,480 Now the item has to be on the same frequency. 80 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:39,760 How do you align your frequency with an inanimate object? 81 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:46,200 You think about it, you visualize it, you see it, you use all your five physical senses, 82 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:52,200 senses in your sixth sense, which is your consciousness. 83 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:55,440 And you put it in there and you smell it and you taste it. 84 00:04:55,440 --> 00:05:01,080 You're not really smelling it and tasting it, but you are doing it in your conscious mind 85 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:03,160 and you're emitting that frequency. 86 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:07,480 You're now on the same vibration as whatever it is that you're looking to acquire. 87 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:09,800 Well, like attracts like. 88 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:15,360 We know that if I dial myself, if I do, if I pick up my cell phone, I dial your number, 89 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:18,920 your phone rings because we are now on the same frequency. 90 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:20,480 It's that simple. 91 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:22,880 So the law of attraction works like a cell phone. 92 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:26,920 It works like a satellite dish and a radio picking up a radio station. 93 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:28,480 There's no difference. 94 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:33,680 You connect and you receive the information and you can apply scientific principle to 95 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:38,640 just about anything that we examine in the spiritual world. 96 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:42,880 That is a great description, a very succinct description. 97 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:43,880 I like that a lot. 98 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:44,880 Thank you. 99 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:47,840 Let's go back to what were you 14 years old? 100 00:05:47,840 --> 00:05:48,840 20, 20. 101 00:05:48,840 --> 00:05:50,640 Sorry, 20 years old. 102 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:52,400 So you weren't a teenager. 103 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:54,160 My apologies on that. 104 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:55,720 Just no worries. 105 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:57,800 It was just after the teenage years. 106 00:05:57,800 --> 00:05:59,440 I had a rough childhood. 107 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:06,640 I guess you could say that it was one in a home that wasn't particularly the Brady Bunch 108 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:07,640 type. 109 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:13,360 It was a little rocky and I spent a lot of time by myself and trying to escape the things 110 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:16,880 that were transpiring in the home. 111 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:19,960 Chaos became my comfort zone. 112 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:26,360 And ultimately, as I got into my teenage years, I became self-destructive and then that went 113 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:28,400 on into my 20s. 114 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:36,120 I would put myself in situations to up the ante, if you will, that were more and more 115 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:37,240 dangerous. 116 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:41,240 I took jobs where I would work with dangerous people. 117 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:45,600 I did things with dangerous people. 118 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:47,120 And I took a lot of chances. 119 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:51,400 And I did a lot of things that I'm not proud of today. 120 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:57,400 And this is why I've decided to dedicate my second half of my life to helping people, 121 00:06:57,400 --> 00:06:58,920 but not to get off the topic. 122 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:02,160 When I was 20, I had a lot of near-death experiences. 123 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:06,440 Now, I'm a little confused as to why we're calling it a near-death because that was the 124 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:09,880 real death when I actually died. 125 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:14,280 The near-deaths were the ones where the shootouts where I somehow got out of there by crawling 126 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:20,160 around the bar and getting out the side door from a source from above that's telling me 127 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:21,600 to go out the side door. 128 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:26,120 I always had that spiritual guide, if you will, that stuck by me. 129 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:27,920 Why I have no idea. 130 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:29,920 I certainly didn't deserve it. 131 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:32,440 Let's call those a brush with death. 132 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:34,880 You know, like we have on the freeway. 133 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:39,800 When somebody about runs us off and we call that a near-death experience, that's not what 134 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:40,800 this show's about. 135 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:41,800 I got you. 136 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:44,120 Those are brushes with death. 137 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:48,520 But yes, when people actually die and come back. 138 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:51,800 And by the way, we had Dr. Raymond Moody on this show a little while ago. 139 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:55,840 He's the one that termed the phrase near-death experience. 140 00:07:55,840 --> 00:08:02,360 So if anybody wants to know where that came from, go back and listen to his episode. 141 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:06,040 So also to give him credit, we're going to stick with that terminology. 142 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:07,040 Sure. 143 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:12,480 Let's talk about not brushes with death, but when you had an experience where lights were 144 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:13,480 out. 145 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:18,640 So I'm 20 years old and I am still living at home with my parents at this time. 146 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:19,960 And I was sleeping. 147 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:25,240 And what had happened was the stove and the kitchen was directly beneath my bedroom where 148 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:27,080 I was at that time. 149 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:30,160 And the stove was leaking gas all night long. 150 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:32,480 We don't know how long it was running for. 151 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:37,760 In the morning, my mom woke up, turned the stove on to make breakfast, poof, the stove 152 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:38,840 goes up in flames. 153 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:43,440 It goes out rather quickly because there's a safety valve on the gas. 154 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:45,400 It wasn't the fire that harmed me. 155 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:47,040 It wasn't the smoke. 156 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:48,360 It was the gas fumes. 157 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:51,520 They were rising into my room all night long. 158 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:53,840 So I hear the fire trucks and I hear the commotion. 159 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:55,480 I hear the police. 160 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:59,160 And I'm trying to get up to see what's going on. 161 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:05,200 And I find that I can't get myself out of bed paralyzed. 162 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:07,000 Most of my body will not move. 163 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:09,800 My legs were so heavy I could not move them. 164 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:12,520 My head, I couldn't get it off the pillow. 165 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:14,520 And I know something is very, very wrong. 166 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:17,400 I can't even yell for help. 167 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:19,440 My right arm works. 168 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:24,800 So I utilize that and I pull myself to the edge of the bed, but I don't get there. 169 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:26,920 I pass out. 170 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:30,960 And then some noises downstairs that wakes me up again and I know I got to get out of 171 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:32,240 this bed. 172 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:33,520 I pulled myself again. 173 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:36,640 I passed out a second time. 174 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:39,440 And now I'm like, if I don't get myself out of this bed, I'm gone. 175 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:41,560 I know this for a fact. 176 00:09:41,560 --> 00:09:46,320 And I pull with everything I have and I tumble out of the bed. 177 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:50,160 Now I fall face first. 178 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:55,920 And as I'm falling, I don't feel the hit on the floor. 179 00:09:55,920 --> 00:10:00,840 I don't feel that pain that you're supposed to feel when you hit the floor. 180 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:04,360 Because in this moment, I'm not in that body any longer. 181 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:11,920 Now I'm above it and I'm in the corner of the room and I'm looking down at my lifeless 182 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:13,400 body. 183 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:16,640 The colors of the room are more vibrant. 184 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:23,120 They are more, it's an entire different way of seeing the world. 185 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:27,160 I felt like I could manipulate that world. 186 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:32,800 And I'm not really sure what's happening in this moment, right? 187 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:39,360 And there is this huge cone shape, beautiful white light that is shining only on me in 188 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:41,000 the corner of the room. 189 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:45,880 This light comes with it, the most euphoric, beautiful feeling I've ever felt in my entire 190 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:47,480 life. 191 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:55,160 The more I go into the light that euphoria begins to increase and there is a being at 192 00:10:55,160 --> 00:11:00,120 the, I guess at the end of the light who's telling me it's okay, it's safe, right? 193 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:01,200 Come into the light. 194 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:03,440 It's okay. 195 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:07,440 And so I want to go and I begin to go. 196 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:11,920 And then my father comes in the room and he sees me on the floor and he scoops me up and 197 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:15,440 he's screaming and crying for the paramedics. 198 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:20,920 Now we didn't have a great relationship, he and I, to say the least. 199 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:27,200 But in that moment when I saw him holding me and so distraught that something had happened 200 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:36,160 to me, I asked the being if I can return because I can't leave him that way. 201 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:37,240 And it was breaking my heart. 202 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:41,440 I always wanted, that was probably one of the few times my dad hugged me ever and I was 203 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:43,160 dead. 204 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:46,640 So I wanted that so badly. 205 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:50,960 And when I came to, I was not there. 206 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:57,160 I was in the living room and I woke up and I was still in the state of euphoria. 207 00:11:57,160 --> 00:12:05,040 My whole body was just tingling and it felt like, no, I mean, I've done a lot of drugs 208 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:06,040 in my life. 209 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:07,240 I've never felt this feeling. 210 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:08,320 You can't match it. 211 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:09,800 You can't top it. 212 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:14,680 There's just, there's no words to describe it and the paramedics are doing their things 213 00:12:14,680 --> 00:12:18,640 and they're using their tools and equipment on me and they're like, hurry up, get the 214 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:19,640 truck. 215 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:20,640 We got to get this guy out of here. 216 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:23,200 We got to get him to hospital and like, guys, guys, relax, I'm fine. 217 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:24,200 I'm fine. 218 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:25,200 I'm better than fine. 219 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:27,440 You should have seen what I just saw. 220 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:28,440 Anybody see the light? 221 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:30,040 Did anybody hear the voice? 222 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:34,000 And these guys are looking at me like I'm loony tunes and I'm thinking, well, I better shut 223 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:37,840 up because they're going to send me to the wrong hospital. 224 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:39,880 And then I can't check myself out of. 225 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:43,160 All right, before we go further and I want to hear all the rest of the detail. 226 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:44,160 Yeah. 227 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:47,400 But before you move on, I want to pick this apart just a little bit. 228 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:48,400 If you don't mind. 229 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:49,400 Go for it. 230 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:50,400 Yeah, no. 231 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:52,920 And I know this was, this was very brief. 232 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:58,160 This was probably just a few, I'll call it moments because we don't know if it's seconds, 233 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:00,280 minute or, you know, whatever. 234 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:01,440 And that's okay. 235 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:03,720 It doesn't change. 236 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:05,520 How do I put this? 237 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:13,840 Being a short NDE can be just as life changing as having a two hour or two day NDE. 238 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:15,680 And I believe that's what happened to you. 239 00:13:15,680 --> 00:13:19,920 That certainly is what I'm seeing on your face right now. 240 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:22,640 Please explain this euphoria more. 241 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:26,840 Is there any, are there any other words you can use to explain what it felt like? 242 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:30,720 I can tell you, I can give it to you this way. 243 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:36,040 When I came back to my body at not originally, but when I was in the hospital, eventually 244 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:42,720 I'm sitting in the bed, the, the pain of everything that you have, like let's say you broke a 245 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:46,800 finger when you were a kid and you never got it fixed and it always bothers you a little 246 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:51,080 bit, maybe when it rains, little arthritis sets in there, all those little things that 247 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:52,760 are wrong with us. 248 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:58,760 When you're back in your body and you're no longer just an energetic being, it hurts 249 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:05,520 like you know what, it's so painful when you come back into your body, you feel every 250 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:11,520 little aches, all the aches and pains that are in your body all at once. 251 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:15,040 And I, I was like, Oh my God, I made the wrong choice. 252 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:16,520 I want to go back to the light. 253 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:18,600 I want to mulligan, give me a do over. 254 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:19,600 Come on guys. 255 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:21,640 You know, I just, I wanted to die. 256 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:22,640 I wanted to go back. 257 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:25,760 What, what, what did I come back here for? 258 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:26,760 The hug? 259 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:29,240 I didn't have that opportunity though, did you? 260 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:32,360 No, no, no take backs on that one. 261 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:36,000 No, tell me about, tell me about the light and the being. 262 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:39,160 Did you see a being or just feel that there was a being there? 263 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:46,280 No, you, you, I felt the being and the power of the be everybody says, can you explain 264 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:51,000 the voice and, and it's a, and I say it's a blue voice. 265 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:52,000 No one understands that. 266 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:56,840 I don't even understand it, I associate the voice with the color blue and I don't know 267 00:14:56,840 --> 00:15:00,400 why I'm, am I hearing blue? 268 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:05,840 The same senses and the way we use them here are not the same, the way we would use them 269 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:06,940 there. 270 00:15:06,940 --> 00:15:10,440 You can hear color, you can see a sound. 271 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:15,240 It's, it's a different environment that allows you to do different things than you can do 272 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:22,200 here, which is why when we're, we can tap into that sixth sense and learn those abilities 273 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:27,000 and get a taste of that while we're here, because we are those energetic beings. 274 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:28,160 They are a part of us. 275 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:32,480 They are our conscious mind and they run through our entire body. 276 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:34,160 We can tap into that. 277 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:40,640 So what you experience when you first cross over is the euphoric state. 278 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:46,040 Like I said, there's just no other feeling you're in an energetic, you're an energetic 279 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:47,320 being. 280 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:49,280 There's no pain. 281 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:56,920 There is no emotional state that is remotely negative. 282 00:15:56,920 --> 00:15:58,860 There's no bad feelings. 283 00:15:58,860 --> 00:16:05,240 There's no, no sadness, but I mean, I wasn't there that very long, like you pointed out. 284 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:07,160 So could there be sadness? 285 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:08,160 Yeah, maybe. 286 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:12,840 But at that moment, all I wanted to do was go forth to the being at the end of the light 287 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:15,200 and, and see what was there. 288 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:21,680 And it was, you know, that relationship that I never had with my dad that I wanted so badly 289 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:26,000 that I had, I wanted to come back and that we never had that relationship. 290 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:30,280 So like I said, if I could do it all over again, there's no way I'd come out of the 291 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:31,280 light. 292 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:32,280 It was such euphoria. 293 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:36,000 I don't have another word. 294 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:37,500 I wish I did. 295 00:16:37,500 --> 00:16:39,560 A lot of people use the word love. 296 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:40,920 Did you feel love? 297 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:46,520 Yeah, yeah, you feel at all positive. 298 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:48,200 The light hugs you. 299 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:49,200 It's it. 300 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:50,700 Yes. 301 00:16:50,700 --> 00:16:52,360 That's a great way to explain it. 302 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:56,840 The light is just like everything. 303 00:16:56,840 --> 00:17:02,480 And you you become one with that light as you go further and further in. 304 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:05,240 I can only imagine what's on the other side. 305 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:07,160 Others have gone all the way across. 306 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:13,160 Now I looked for somebody else who had an NDE after I did because I wanted to. 307 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:16,160 We didn't have computers in the internet back then. 308 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:20,920 So I was trying to find someone or a group or anything that I could compare notes with 309 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:23,360 that I couldn't find anybody. 310 00:17:23,360 --> 00:17:27,200 And in fact, when I would talk about it, people would think I'm absolutely crazy. 311 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:32,800 And I come from a Christian home and these things are not really talked about. 312 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:37,520 Really unless you're saying, well, you know, I definitely saw God and whatnot. 313 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:40,280 And I did not see God. 314 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:41,800 It's not it's frowned upon. 315 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:43,920 And my mother went through a long time of denial. 316 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:48,200 I mean, let's face it, you know, her son died on her watch. 317 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:51,640 So this this devastated her. 318 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:53,320 And I get that. 319 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:57,280 So she went through years of denial saying it never happened. 320 00:17:57,280 --> 00:18:00,200 And I was like, you know what, I'm just going to let this rest. 321 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:07,240 And I'm going to figure out because I prefer atheism where I don't have to figure things 322 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:08,240 out. 323 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:09,520 That's easier for me. 324 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:10,920 So I figured this is what I did. 325 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:12,520 I chalked it up in my head. 326 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:15,920 The white light was the sun coming through the window. 327 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:20,920 The hallucinations I had were because I was breathing in gas. 328 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:24,880 And that explains that's a rational explanation for what happened. 329 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:27,400 And that's what I'm going to carry around with me. 330 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:28,400 There you go. 331 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:29,600 I can't figure this out. 332 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:32,160 You sound like you're not an atheist anymore, though. 333 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:34,040 You keep talking past tense. 334 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:37,880 No, no, I was there. 335 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:42,160 Just a quick break to tell you about an exciting program that we have coming up. 336 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:45,400 One of our favorite guests on the show, Jeff Jansen. 337 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:48,440 I believe he was episode number 328. 338 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:50,400 If you want to go back and listen to it. 339 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:56,480 Anyway, Jeff is offering a special discount on his master class series called What Really 340 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:58,840 Happens When We Die? 341 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:04,720 Jeff has studied over 5,000 NDE's, has written multiple books, including 10 life changing 342 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:10,600 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best life now, this class is a great idea. 352 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:56,840 In fact, it's a great gift idea. 353 00:19:56,840 --> 00:20:01,320 We'll put a link in the show notes and on roundtripdeath.com where you can read more 354 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:04,440 about it and sign up for the half price deal. 355 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:06,920 Now, back to the interview. 356 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:11,440 So that experience didn't change you from an atheist to a believer. 357 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:12,440 What did? 358 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:16,200 Was it just time that went by or what made that change? 359 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:22,320 What happened after I came back, I was always able to read energy to a degree. 360 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:23,920 I was in isolation. 361 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:27,720 So imagine meditating for hours and hours and hours. 362 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:34,200 I would stay a frightened kid in a room staring at a wall waiting for everything to end and 363 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:37,080 then I could come out of the room or just fall asleep. 364 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:42,640 So I'm meditating for hours and hours and I can start to see energy. 365 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:50,080 After I cross over and I come back, these beings come with me and it was only about 366 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:54,320 two years later that I get my first apartment and I'm like, this is going to be great. 367 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:58,440 We're going to parties all the time and girls over and this is going to be phenomenal. 368 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:05,760 None of that ever happened because I would go into my house and my apartment was filled 369 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:10,080 with energy of the deceased. 370 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:13,320 And I was like, my house is haunted. 371 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:15,280 And again, I don't believe in this stuff, right? 372 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:18,360 So I'm literally, they're turning the lights on and off. 373 00:21:18,360 --> 00:21:20,480 I turn the TV on, the TV goes off. 374 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:21,600 I pick up the phone. 375 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:22,600 There's nobody there. 376 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:25,840 I remember talking to my friend one time on the phone and I said, you know, I think my 377 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:26,840 house is haunted. 378 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:28,160 And I said it in jest. 379 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:29,160 We were kidding. 380 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:30,160 I was kidding anyway. 381 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:32,120 No, I don't know if I was. 382 00:21:32,120 --> 00:21:33,640 The phone goes click. 383 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:34,640 I called him back. 384 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:35,640 I said, why'd you hang up on me? 385 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:36,640 This is a landline. 386 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:38,040 We didn't have cell phones yet. 387 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:39,040 I called him back. 388 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:40,040 I said, why'd you hang up on me? 389 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:41,040 I said, why'd you hang up on me? 390 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:42,040 You hung up on me. 391 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:43,040 Click. 392 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:44,040 There it goes again. 393 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:46,040 Yeah, that didn't used to happen on landlines. 394 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:47,040 Right. 395 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:48,520 That was super rare. 396 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:49,520 Right. 397 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:51,880 So, I mean, that's just the tip of the iceberg. 398 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:56,320 Now I'm calling the maintenance guy and they think I'm nuts because they're like, listen 399 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:58,720 kid, there is nothing wrong with this place. 400 00:21:58,720 --> 00:21:59,720 Okay. 401 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:00,720 Don't call us anymore. 402 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:03,120 And I was like, okay, all right. 403 00:22:03,120 --> 00:22:09,480 So I move out in 10 months out of that place because I'm convinced it's the place. 404 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:13,360 So I go into my new place and guess what? 405 00:22:13,360 --> 00:22:14,720 Same thing. 406 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:16,280 It's not the place. 407 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:17,400 It's Ray. 408 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:21,040 And I have to start coming to terms with this because they're not going to leave me alone. 409 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:23,040 I could not sleep. 410 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:28,080 I started using tremendous amounts of drugs and alcohol to sleep. 411 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:33,880 Tremendous amounts because I needed to turn that off and I couldn't turn it off. 412 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:37,200 And it took many, many, many years. 413 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:44,080 And eventually it was when I got married around 30, I had two children of my own. 414 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:49,880 And there was no more of that Ray living life on the edge. 415 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:55,400 Didn't care if he died because now I had two kids that were dependent on me. 416 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:59,680 So I drove myself, checked myself right into rehab, gave him the keys, said, don't let me 417 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:01,600 out until I'm clean. 418 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:05,480 I have not had a drink and I'm going on my second decade. 419 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:07,560 I went back to college. 420 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:08,560 I got my degree. 421 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:10,680 I got a real job in New York. 422 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:12,400 I worked my way up the ladder. 423 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:13,480 I did very well. 424 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:17,680 I came back to New Jersey, did the same thing in the New Jersey company, did very well 425 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:18,680 again. 426 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:25,240 Keeping these beings almost like we had a deal. 427 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:30,160 They were there, but I'm not going to talk to you because I don't believe in you. 428 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:33,120 So don't waste your time trying to drive me nuts. 429 00:23:33,120 --> 00:23:36,880 However, I get divorced in probably two or three years. 430 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:40,920 That marriage goes, you know, falls to pieces. 431 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:46,360 And many, many years later, I decide to date, takes me a long time before I decide to date. 432 00:23:46,360 --> 00:23:50,720 And I go on one of those internet sites and I see the woman and I said, wow, you know, 433 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:51,720 that's her. 434 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:53,240 That's my wife. 435 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:58,560 So I joined that particular site and I send one email to that woman and I said, hi, I'm 436 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:00,640 Ray, you're going to be my wife. 437 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:02,160 And of course she's going to think I'm nuts. 438 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:05,400 But she thought it was funny and she answered me back. 439 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:06,400 Currently we're married. 440 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:07,400 We live in this house. 441 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:08,840 We have four children. 442 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:11,080 So we're dating. 443 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:16,800 And what happens as we're dating is I start seeing one of these energy beings I'm seeing 444 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:22,480 as like a person and he is almost front and center. 445 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:26,760 And he says the same sentence to me over and over and over. 446 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:28,040 He says, I effed up. 447 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:29,460 I made a mistake. 448 00:24:29,460 --> 00:24:30,460 You can help her. 449 00:24:30,460 --> 00:24:31,960 I cannot. 450 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:35,240 That is the message that he keeps giving me repeatedly. 451 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:36,440 I don't know who the man is. 452 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:38,600 I don't know why he's talking to me. 453 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:45,800 That's the clearest I've ever seen an energy being turning himself into a almost a human 454 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:46,800 form. 455 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:48,920 I'm not seeing with my eyes and not hearing with my ears. 456 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:50,480 This is all in here. 457 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:53,480 Third eye, sixth sense. 458 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:55,400 He will not stop giving me this message. 459 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:58,600 It's like a video loop that replays over and over. 460 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:00,400 It started on a Friday. 461 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:01,400 It was every hour. 462 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:02,400 Then it was every half hour. 463 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:04,840 Then it was every 15 minutes. 464 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:08,440 Now I'm at the point where I think I'm insane. 465 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:10,320 I remember the moment I was in the store. 466 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:14,520 I was in CVS and I was paying for my stuff and I don't know what I did. 467 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:16,680 Maybe I paused whatever I did the latest. 468 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:18,280 Sir, are you okay? 469 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:20,640 And I said, absolutely not. 470 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,400 And I walked out to my car and I sat there. 471 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:25,120 I just started dating this woman. 472 00:25:25,120 --> 00:25:26,120 Okay. 473 00:25:26,120 --> 00:25:29,000 And I'm like, I'm thinking I got to get my affairs in order. 474 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:30,480 I got to make sure my will is written. 475 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:32,080 I got to make sure I don't have a DNR. 476 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:33,760 I'm not, I'm going back to the light. 477 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:34,760 That's it. 478 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:36,360 I'm not coming back here. 479 00:25:36,360 --> 00:25:39,160 And I think I'm losing my mind. 480 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:45,000 This woman happens to be a doctor of psychology and neuropsychology by trade. 481 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:48,680 So I'm thinking I'm going to lose her anyway. 482 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:51,080 Maybe she can get me the help that I need. 483 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:54,720 But there's another part of me that wants to try to shove this into a box and make it 484 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:59,080 not real somehow so I can keep dating her because I love her. 485 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,240 By Sunday evening, I can't function. 486 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:02,240 I can't drive. 487 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:03,240 I can't do anything. 488 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,240 This man is just constant. 489 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:10,160 So I take it to her and I said, listen, you know, there's something I got to tell you. 490 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:11,160 I, I, 491 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:12,160 We're going to think I'm crazy. 492 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:13,920 You're going to think I'm crazy. 493 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,200 And then I'll tell you more if you want. 494 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:17,200 Right. 495 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:20,240 And, and so, but, so the reaction I thought I was going to get is she's going to run 496 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:21,240 for the hills. 497 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:22,240 She's going to give me a phone number. 498 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,600 She's going to say, call these people and never call me again. 499 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:28,320 And I got a completely different reaction. 500 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:31,080 She said, Oh, that sounds like my dad. 501 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:32,280 Is he coming through? 502 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:33,640 He always comes through. 503 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:34,880 I've seen other mediums. 504 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:35,880 You're probably a medium. 505 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:37,400 I said, what the hell is a medium? 506 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:39,600 What are you talking about? 507 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:41,760 And she goes on to explain. 508 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:45,200 She's very rational, common rational about this whole thing. 509 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:49,800 And I'm like, do you understand there's, there's a guy here and, and, and she goes, yes, I 510 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:50,800 understand. 511 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:51,800 You're probably a psychic medium. 512 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:52,800 You don't know it. 513 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:55,600 And I was like, I don't know what that is, but it doesn't sound good. 514 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:56,600 So I'm not great. 515 00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:57,600 You tell me I'm not crazy. 516 00:26:57,600 --> 00:26:58,600 I'm crazy. 517 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:00,520 And she's a scientific person too. 518 00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:01,640 She's a scientific person. 519 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:03,560 I guess you're both crazy. 520 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,040 I'm kidding. 521 00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:10,240 We have to be, we have to be, you can't make this stuff up. 522 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,800 I said, but I saw the photo of your father. 523 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:14,920 This guy does not look like your dad. 524 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:15,920 Okay. 525 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,600 And she says, I tell her what he looks like. 526 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,440 He's got a full beard, mustache, thick black hair. 527 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,200 He's a husky guy. 528 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,800 And she's like, the picture you saw was 20 years old. 529 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:30,520 He was much lighter and he was clean shaven. 530 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:32,280 He goes, let me show you. 531 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:37,640 And she goes through her phone and she shows me a photo of the guy and I said, you know 532 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:38,640 him. 533 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:41,640 And she said, that's my dad, silly. 534 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:42,640 That's great. 535 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:43,640 You can talk to him. 536 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:44,640 Now I can talk to him. 537 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:45,640 Wow. 538 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:46,920 So did that help you deal with all this? 539 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:50,600 Did he quit nagging you with this message every 30 minutes? 540 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,240 Second, I gave her the message. 541 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:55,000 He was gone. 542 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:56,440 That's what I was supposed to do. 543 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:57,440 Okay. 544 00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:01,280 I need to ask you another question kind of in relation to this because you mentioned 545 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:05,320 how some of this started with your phone clicking dead and stuff. 546 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:11,200 I've had a few other people on this show that sometime after their NDE is usually within 547 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:16,760 the first couple of years, they have some interesting energy things happen. 548 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:24,120 Like one person was telling me recently, she went in to buy a new cell phone and it was 549 00:28:24,120 --> 00:28:30,120 an Android and no offense to Androids, but she's picking it up and it literally, the 550 00:28:30,120 --> 00:28:32,720 thing completely dies. 551 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:34,840 Like the guy in the store can't make it work. 552 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:41,820 So he gives her another one and she starts talking on it and it completely dies. 553 00:28:41,820 --> 00:28:46,880 Not just that call dropped, but the phone is dead and gone. 554 00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:53,080 And they do that three or four times before they finally give up and try a different kind 555 00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:54,080 of phone. 556 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,360 Again, I don't think the brand is the problem. 557 00:28:56,360 --> 00:29:00,000 And I've had a couple of other people tell me things like that, like dispensing their 558 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:07,680 own gas at the gas station and something about the energy, but they haven't felt this negative 559 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,440 being presence like you explained. 560 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:11,520 He wasn't negative. 561 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:13,200 He was just persisting. 562 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:14,200 Okay. 563 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:20,400 This message actually turned out to be a lifesaver for another person in the family. 564 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:21,960 And we didn't know that at the time. 565 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:23,080 We didn't know what the message was. 566 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:24,080 We had to piece it together. 567 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:30,640 It took a long time and we got more messages and we had to figure it out because it came 568 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:31,800 in drips and drabs. 569 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:33,760 It's not like I can have a conversation. 570 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,240 It's like little piece, little piece, little piece. 571 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:42,160 And we eventually put it together and we were like, oh my God, we have to save somebody's 572 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:43,160 life here. 573 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:44,320 This is serious. 574 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,920 And we did and the whole story is in the book. 575 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:54,320 And the first message I ever get is one of life or death to make all things, to just 576 00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:56,120 pile it on. 577 00:29:56,120 --> 00:30:00,200 So I went from crazy to saving somebody's life in like four weeks. 578 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:05,160 And she says, let me take you to a medium so you guys can sit down a real medium and 579 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:10,560 you can talk about what you're seeing and she can tell you how she sees things and, you 580 00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:12,840 know, maybe you can get a grip on it and whatever. 581 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:14,480 And I said, yeah, that sounds great. 582 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:15,560 Let's do that. 583 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:17,840 So I do that. 584 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:21,560 And I meet with her and I remember she makes two appointments. 585 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:23,480 My wife makes one for herself and one for me. 586 00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:24,480 She goes, you want to go in first? 587 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:27,440 Then I said, oh yeah, I'm going in first because I'm petrified. 588 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:29,720 And if I go second, I'm not going. 589 00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:31,800 So I went in and I sat down and I said, hi, I'm Ray. 590 00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:34,840 And she goes, oh, you're that Ray. 591 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:37,840 And I said, I beg your pardon? 592 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:39,280 She goes, have a seat, Ray. 593 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:40,280 Why are you here? 594 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:41,280 I said, because I'm crazy. 595 00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:43,200 She said, what do you mean you're crazy? 596 00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:45,280 I said, I see people. 597 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:46,440 She goes, I do too. 598 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:49,240 And she's like, you know, she's making me laugh. 599 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:51,640 And I'm like, no, no, no, you don't understand. 600 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:53,720 And then I go on to explain how it happens. 601 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,240 And she goes, stop talking. 602 00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:59,720 That's exactly the way it happens. 603 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,080 That's exactly the way it happens. 604 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,640 And then I told her two other types of premonitions 605 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:05,160 that I had. 606 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:06,920 And she goes, stop talking. 607 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:08,800 That's the way it happens. 608 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,400 She goes, this is very rare, especially for a man. 609 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:13,960 Most men cannot do this. 610 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,560 And I said, yeah, I know, I'm lucky if I can walk and chew 611 00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:17,560 gum at the same time. 612 00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:19,320 My wife can do 46 things. 613 00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:20,880 I can do two. 614 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:25,480 And she's like, just relax. 615 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:27,440 I said, OK, so I'm not crazy. 616 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:29,520 You are not crazy. 617 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:31,800 Now, is it better to be crazy? 618 00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:33,400 Or is it better now? 619 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:37,920 What do I do with this thing that I now have? 620 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:38,920 And I don't mean the man. 621 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,520 I mean the fact that I can talk to people. 622 00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:43,440 Because now the messages start flowing. 623 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:44,800 And I keep giving them to my wife. 624 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:47,040 And she keeps knowing who they're for. 625 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,880 And I'm still fighting this. 626 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:51,560 I'm like, this is not real. 627 00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:52,640 I said, OK, OK. 628 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:54,520 I said, I got a message. 629 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:55,360 This is what it is. 630 00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:56,280 I told her what it was. 631 00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:57,760 She knows who it's for. 632 00:31:57,760 --> 00:31:59,880 I said, by the way, the last thing the man said to me 633 00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:03,600 before he left, he says, remember the silly shoes. 634 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:07,080 And I said, if your friend knows what that means, 635 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:08,440 I'll be a believer. 636 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:10,080 Because that made no sense to me. 637 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:11,880 The rest of the message was very serious. 638 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,000 And then it goes into silly shoes. 639 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:15,360 So she has dinner with a woman. 640 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:16,040 And she comes back. 641 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:17,440 And she can't wait to tell me. 642 00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:20,840 She goes, everything you said was on point. 643 00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:22,840 And she needed to hear those things. 644 00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:24,560 Because she needed closure on certain things 645 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:26,120 that she didn't understand. 646 00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:27,320 And I was like, that's great. 647 00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,120 But what about the silly shoes? 648 00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:32,240 The silly shoes was the first date they ever had. 649 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:35,200 He wore the most ridiculous shoes she's ever seen in her life. 650 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:38,240 And it was a running joke throughout their entire marriage. 651 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,600 And I was like, oh, crap. 652 00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:42,760 I have to believe now. 653 00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:43,800 I said I would. 654 00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:45,080 So now I have to. 655 00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,120 I can't get out. 656 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:50,160 How does this, how does the mediumship, 657 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:53,440 and I'm going to call these spiritual gifts, a term 658 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:56,920 that I prefer, how does this relate to the whole atheism 659 00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:58,160 discussion? 660 00:32:58,160 --> 00:32:59,560 Exactly. 661 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:07,480 I went from atheism in my teens to here I am, a medium 662 00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:08,840 I crossed over. 663 00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:12,000 I told you, somebody was keeping me out of trouble, 664 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:15,960 out of the other near deaths that we don't call near death, 665 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,000 brush with deaths. 666 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:19,400 Why? 667 00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:23,280 Was it because I was going to do this 668 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:25,680 and I was going to bring this information to people? 669 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:27,120 I don't know. 670 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:28,040 I just don't know. 671 00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:29,400 I'm not special. 672 00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:30,640 I definitely am not. 673 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:32,160 And up until that point, I didn't even 674 00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:34,920 deserve to have those things. 675 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:36,520 I cannot answer to this day. 676 00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:40,800 But I know that what I have to do today, 677 00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,200 mediumship became too overpowering for me. 678 00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:45,400 So I don't do it professionally. 679 00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:49,200 I eventually go to school for this 680 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,800 and I had a great mentor between the first one 681 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:53,480 and the second one. 682 00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:55,080 They saved my life because they taught me 683 00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:58,880 how to turn it on and turn it off because it's very intrusive 684 00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:02,120 and it affects me emotionally. 685 00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:04,600 And I just had my own spiritual breakthrough 686 00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:07,320 where I got rid of a lot of negative emotions 687 00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:08,880 and a lot of negative feelings. 688 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,360 And I'm happy for the first time in my life. 689 00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:15,120 Now, the first 48 years of my life, we're not happy. 690 00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,000 I want to live the next half of my life 691 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:23,080 without feeling these emotions from the other side of people 692 00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:26,080 who are always feeling guilt and always feeling regret 693 00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:29,280 and always trying to fix whatever they did here 694 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:30,720 or didn't do here. 695 00:34:30,720 --> 00:34:32,120 That's too much. 696 00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:33,560 I just found happiness. 697 00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:34,720 I need to enjoy my happiness. 698 00:34:34,720 --> 00:34:36,800 Maybe I'll go back someday. 699 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,320 But as of today, I prefer to teach people 700 00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:42,280 how to have their own spiritual awakening. 701 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:44,880 And that's what my entire second book is about. 702 00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:45,840 OK. 703 00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:47,840 And by the way, we'll put links to those books 704 00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:49,520 in the show notes here of the show 705 00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:53,440 so anyone that wants to reach out and look at those can. 706 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:57,080 Let's, speaking of going back, let's go back to when you were 20. 707 00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:57,880 Sure. 708 00:34:57,880 --> 00:34:59,720 I took us down a sidetrack here. 709 00:34:59,720 --> 00:35:01,160 Let's get back on track. 710 00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:01,720 All right. 711 00:35:01,720 --> 00:35:04,320 So if I remember right, what was happening 712 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:06,760 was you woke up downstairs. 713 00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,240 You've got paramedics over you. 714 00:35:09,240 --> 00:35:12,600 And you're talking crazy because you're 715 00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:14,200 talking about the light. 716 00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:16,320 And did other people see the light? 717 00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:16,880 Keep going. 718 00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:18,120 What happened after that? 719 00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:20,240 And I'm more worried about the fact 720 00:35:20,240 --> 00:35:22,360 that I'm soaking wet from the waist down, right? 721 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,560 Because when you die, the first thing you do is you pee yourself. 722 00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:28,080 And I'm humiliated by this. 723 00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:31,240 And these guys are like trying to express to me 724 00:35:31,240 --> 00:35:33,360 how serious of a matter this is. 725 00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:35,080 And you need to go to the hospital. 726 00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:35,320 Yeah. 727 00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:37,320 And they're used to seeing people like that. 728 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:39,760 So to them, that's no big deal. 729 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:40,120 Yeah. 730 00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:42,200 But they want, they just want me to go. 731 00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:44,440 You know, I got to get the ambulance and go. 732 00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:46,520 So did you refuse to go? 733 00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:46,960 Yeah. 734 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:48,920 I told them I felt great, but I did go. 735 00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:50,080 I did go. 736 00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:50,320 Good. 737 00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:54,320 But I was saying, you guys, I wish I could, I feel phenomenal. 738 00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,200 I don't know what just happened, but I feel great. 739 00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:00,280 I feel complete euphoria because the pain doesn't set in. 740 00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:01,520 It's a couple hours later. 741 00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:04,480 Then it's like a bomb goes off inside your body 742 00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:05,840 and it's horrendous. 743 00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:07,600 But that was later at the hospital. 744 00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:11,280 And actually, my mother who finally did come to terms 745 00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:16,280 with this at the age of 83 or 82, which is she's 83 now. 746 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,880 So she was 82 when she finally admitted 747 00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:20,960 that this really happened to me. 748 00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:25,680 She said, not only did you have to be resuscitated one time, 749 00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:27,960 but there was probably three more in the ambulance 750 00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,040 as you were going to the hospital. 751 00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:33,120 And I was like, wow, I didn't know that. 752 00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:35,200 I didn't know that. 753 00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:40,440 So it was everybody's taking this very seriously, 754 00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:44,800 except me, who's like, I just came back from the greatest thing 755 00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,240 I've ever done in my entire life. 756 00:36:47,240 --> 00:36:48,520 I don't care if I go back. 757 00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:49,840 I'm good with that. 758 00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:50,760 This is great. 759 00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:52,560 I want to feel more of this. 760 00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:57,920 I think that that changed my feelings with death so much. 761 00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:03,840 And in such a way that I realize every day could be the last. 762 00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:05,400 And I'm OK with that. 763 00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:07,080 I'm really OK with that. 764 00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:08,960 And I never let any of my children 765 00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,440 walk out at a house without telling them I love them 766 00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:14,760 or my wife, because I never know when that last day is going 767 00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:15,240 to be. 768 00:37:15,240 --> 00:37:18,160 But I'm OK because I know where I'm going. 769 00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:20,120 And I know it's going to be fine. 770 00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:22,720 And when other family members experience death, 771 00:37:22,720 --> 00:37:24,720 I know they're fine too. 772 00:37:24,720 --> 00:37:27,200 So I'm not crying at the funeral. 773 00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:29,560 I'm like, we'll see you again. 774 00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:31,320 It's just goodbye for now. 775 00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:32,120 That's amazing. 776 00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:35,760 You can get that much from such a short glimpse. 777 00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:36,720 Yeah. 778 00:37:36,720 --> 00:37:38,760 You know, your glimpse into eternity 779 00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:42,120 was just a little, little, little thing, no offense. 780 00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:46,400 But it's so profound that it can happen that quickly. 781 00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:47,120 That's awesome. 782 00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:50,840 And it's much more about the feeling than what you saw. 783 00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:51,280 Right. 784 00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:53,720 Is the euphoria, as you describe it. 785 00:37:53,720 --> 00:37:54,640 Yeah. 786 00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:55,040 Cool. 787 00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,040 So were you out of the hospital the next day? 788 00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:58,920 Physically, what happened next? 789 00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:00,200 Yeah, that's it. 790 00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:00,600 OK. 791 00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:01,960 Like no big deal. 792 00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:04,160 Sent me on my way. 793 00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:07,520 And then you feel like the worst feeling in the world 794 00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:09,400 because you're back in your body. 795 00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:10,760 No one's hugging me anymore. 796 00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:14,920 It's just, you know, it's back to the same old life 797 00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:16,800 that I didn't enjoy before. 798 00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:20,200 So, you know, I go on and like I say, 799 00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:22,760 I start to up the ante because now I'm a 20 year old who 800 00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:24,120 doesn't fear death. 801 00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:26,360 And that's probably the worst thing a 20 year old can ever 802 00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:27,320 feel, right? 803 00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:29,840 Yeah, because teenagers don't believe they can die. 804 00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:30,800 Right. 805 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:31,840 So at 20. 806 00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:33,200 I don't care if I do. 807 00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,840 You just take that to the next level. 808 00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:39,040 So, you know, who kept me around for another 10 years? 809 00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:40,440 You know, thanks. 810 00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:43,920 No, I kid, I don't know who it is, but I do know. 811 00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:46,440 I can I know that guide. 812 00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:51,280 And, you know, he or she, there's no he or she at that level. 813 00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:53,440 That they're they're just energy. 814 00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:55,200 You can't see any human form. 815 00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:56,560 And that's why I say it's blue. 816 00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:58,000 It's a blue voice. 817 00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,760 And they told me to write the book. 818 00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:05,400 They told me, you know, it was OK to walk away from my job, 819 00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:08,520 which was a huge leap for me just to, you know, 820 00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:13,000 take a leap of faith and stop working at the top of my game 821 00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:17,280 to write a book, you know, that I never thought anybody would 822 00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:18,640 even read. 823 00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:22,400 Now, I'm so honored and grateful that it wins awards. 824 00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:26,120 And I never I'm not a writer and I even say that in a book. 825 00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:27,600 I'm I'm not a writer. 826 00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:30,760 So I apologize for any errors that may be in here grammatical or 827 00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:34,760 otherwise and sorry for all the four letter words because I'm from Jersey. 828 00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:36,480 It's OK. 829 00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:40,640 We have a bleep thing that we use in this podcast from time to time. 830 00:39:40,720 --> 00:39:41,640 I don't think I said any. 831 00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:43,720 Did I? I don't know. You've done good. 832 00:39:43,720 --> 00:39:44,960 OK, good. 833 00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:47,560 But people have heard of my son, Will. 834 00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:50,760 He does the editing and he's good with that little bleeper. 835 00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:53,560 So it's OK if they sneak out. 836 00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:55,040 All right. All right. 837 00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:56,960 Well, this is this has been a lot of fun. 838 00:39:56,960 --> 00:40:00,400 Tell me. Tell me what people can take away from this. 839 00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,400 What can they learn from this that can improve their life? 840 00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:05,600 Well, there's so much. 841 00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:11,160 But to change your relationship with death is one of the greatest 842 00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:17,440 gifts that you can really have because we put so much emphasis on 843 00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:26,800 trying to get things done and own things and and and do things that are just silly. 844 00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:30,680 In my opinion now today, I don't care what I drive. 845 00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:34,760 I don't care, you know, if I eat at a fancy restaurant. 846 00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:35,960 Who cares? 847 00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:40,280 You know, certain things are just meaningless at this point in my life. 848 00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:45,240 What's meaningful is my wife walking in the door and I hug her and and my 849 00:40:45,240 --> 00:40:49,840 children coming home for dinner because I got to in college and I got two little ones. 850 00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:53,600 And, you know, those are the things that are meaningful now. 851 00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:56,280 It's not about materialism. 852 00:40:56,280 --> 00:41:01,440 It's not about anything other than love. 853 00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:03,840 And we're all one being. 854 00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:05,080 This is another thing I learned. 855 00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:07,160 We're all from one source. 856 00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:08,560 We are all one. 857 00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:11,840 So when you hurt somebody, you're hurting yourself. 858 00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:13,760 When you talk about somebody, 859 00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:16,160 you're talking about yourself. 860 00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:17,160 We're all one. 861 00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:19,040 Believe me, you're going to see the other side. 862 00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:22,160 We're all one and you're going to regret. 863 00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:26,040 Anybody you hurt, anybody you harmed, anything you forgot to do. 864 00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:27,440 So do it now. 865 00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:29,880 Get out and do it and don't be afraid. 866 00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:31,120 Just do it. 867 00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:33,920 I think I heard that slogan somewhere before. 868 00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:36,120 Yeah, that could be famous. 869 00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:37,840 Yeah, right? 870 00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:39,920 Just copied that one. 871 00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:44,760 If somebody that's listening today has recently lost a loved one 872 00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:49,640 and that is difficult, I don't care how much you believe that's a difficult thing 873 00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:52,360 because you're going to miss that person. 874 00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:56,160 What words do you have for them that might ease some of that burden? 875 00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:57,600 Well, there's a couple of things. 876 00:41:57,800 --> 00:41:59,760 First is do not worry about them. 877 00:41:59,960 --> 00:42:01,240 They're just fine. 878 00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:03,320 In fact, they're in a great place. 879 00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:06,560 The second thing is you can communicate with your loved ones. 880 00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:09,080 You don't need to be a medium to do this 881 00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:18,600 because you have that bond with that person that is required in order to have communication. 882 00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:22,000 So you may not have full on sight or hearing. 883 00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:23,680 Maybe you will. Maybe you won't. 884 00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:25,640 But you may have other types of 885 00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:29,840 synchronicities that happen all around you and you're not noticing them, 886 00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:31,920 but they are coming from the other side. 887 00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:33,160 I can tell you a story. 888 00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:38,120 I recently lost an aunt who was like a second mother to me and our cousins. 889 00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:44,560 We were all getting together and we were talking and her daughters were telling me a story about dimes. 890 00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:48,920 There was something I don't really remember the story, but it was about it 891 00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:53,640 with dimes in the story and it was relevant to her and also to her children. 892 00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:59,880 So when I started to think of her, I started finding dimes like the one I'm going to show 893 00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:02,000 you right now on this camera I found this morning. 894 00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,440 Now, I find dimes in the strangest places. 895 00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:07,880 I wake up, they're under my pillow or they're on the nightstand. 896 00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:10,080 We don't even use cash in this house. 897 00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:11,640 We use cards for everything. 898 00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:14,320 You couldn't find a dollar around here if you wanted to. 899 00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:17,400 And here are all I have a stack of dimes now. 900 00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:21,840 And if I'm having a tough day or I have to do something that's challenging, 901 00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:23,560 I'll find one of these. 902 00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:26,120 And I know that she's right there. 903 00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:28,040 So you have your own dime. 904 00:43:28,240 --> 00:43:30,960 I don't know what it is, but you do. 905 00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:31,880 You have it. 906 00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:34,640 Look for it and find it and you can communicate. 907 00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:37,760 And don't worry that you can't because you can't. 908 00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:41,760 And hopefully those are hundred dollar bills for some people. 909 00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:45,560 On a scale of one to ten, what's your fear level of death? 910 00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:47,120 None. None. 911 00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:48,480 Very good. 912 00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:51,000 Ray Katanya, thanks a lot for being with us today. 913 00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:52,920 Thank you. Thank you so much. 914 00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:55,280 This was great. I'm so honored. 915 00:43:57,880 --> 00:43:58,920 Thank you for listening. 916 00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:04,200 And remember to check out the what really happens after we die master class at 917 00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:07,440 roundtripdeath.com or the link in our show notes. 918 00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:34,800 Until then, I wish you everything good that you're looking for in this life and the next.