1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:08,480 From the time that they pronounced me deaf was a good 45 minutes. 2 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:13,440 They cut my clothes and then they paddled my heart, my heart had stopped. 3 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:18,120 And I could see people screaming and crying, but I didn't realize that was actually my 4 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:21,320 physical body because I was somewhere else. 5 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:27,400 The only thing that I could feel, if you could imagine, absolute love and peace, there wasn't 6 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:29,400 anything else to be felt. 7 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:32,520 I was greeted by people I'd known in the past. 8 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:34,160 I'm back home again. 9 00:00:34,160 --> 00:00:36,520 Incredibly safe and felt at home. 10 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:40,960 Welcome to Round Trip Death, everybody. 11 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:45,480 And I'd like to welcome our special guest, Fabio Delboni. 12 00:00:45,480 --> 00:00:46,840 Did I say that right? 13 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:50,800 Yes, I would like to say it from 0 to 10, 7 and up. 14 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:54,080 Would you say it properly, please? 15 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:55,000 Delboni. 16 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:55,960 Delboni. 17 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:58,400 Yes, that is a 9 and a half. 18 00:00:58,400 --> 00:00:59,400 Okay. 19 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:02,400 Well, for me to get a 9 and a half and anything's pretty good. 20 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:05,480 So anyway, hey, welcome. 21 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:07,560 It's good to have you, Fabio. 22 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:12,680 And I know the first question people are going to ask, please don't be embarrassed. 23 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:17,280 Are you the Fabio that was on the cover of all the romance novels? 24 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:23,320 You know the Fabio, that was maybe because they lost their hair, you know. 25 00:01:23,320 --> 00:01:24,400 No, no. 26 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:26,720 So that was you 20 years ago. 27 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:29,000 And that was mean, but it's a secret. 28 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:30,200 I cannot share that. 29 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:31,400 All right. 30 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:33,480 So Fabio, I know you're from Italy. 31 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:35,360 You live in Florida now. 32 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:37,160 Tell us a little more about you. 33 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:38,160 Okay. 34 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:41,400 I grew up in the South American and Central America. 35 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:47,640 My first 17 years, I lived in 13 countries all around. 36 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:50,720 Paloma, Venezuela, Colombia, Argentina. 37 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:53,960 Many of them because my father was traveling a lot. 38 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:56,240 And then I was following them. 39 00:01:56,240 --> 00:02:03,960 And then when I was a teen, although I went to Italy to do my own path. 40 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:11,080 And then I got to the college in Florence for the engineering college. 41 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:17,800 And after all, instead of becoming an engineer, I was, but I become a journalist. 42 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:22,560 And then I traveled a lot as a journalist in many fields. 43 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:30,000 I was also a chief editor, editor in chief for financial newspaper in Italy. 44 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:35,320 I worked many years for an agency, the journalists. 45 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:38,560 And then I went to the other part of the wall. 46 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:44,240 That's been, we have journalists, they talk with the communication part of the government 47 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:45,240 or the enterprise. 48 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:50,120 And they like to fight, really fight sometimes. 49 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:51,320 But I crossed the line. 50 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:52,320 I went there. 51 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:54,840 I worked there for many big companies. 52 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:56,760 And then I become a journalist again. 53 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:58,320 I stand back a bit. 54 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:00,360 And then I came back again there. 55 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:05,160 I was like moving in Italy is a little bit crazy. 56 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:10,680 In the United States, they consider, wow, this guy is really something because he can adapt 57 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:12,920 for many situations. 58 00:03:12,920 --> 00:03:15,040 But we can't, what is this? 59 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:16,040 What is he? 60 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:17,880 Journalist or communication part. 61 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:25,280 Okay, but I become like an executive and then at the end I decided to my own company as 62 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:29,120 a strategic consultant, opening in the United States. 63 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:36,160 And I moved the family where to Florida because the weather because close to the South America, 64 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:41,640 Central America, but for me, they were the best market to work. 65 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:43,600 We landed in Tampa. 66 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:49,160 And now we live in Sarasota where I have an art gallery because I become an artist. 67 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:51,360 That's the thing that I have to ask you. 68 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:56,800 You went from journalist to engineer, journalist, et cetera. 69 00:03:56,800 --> 00:03:58,800 How did you become an artist? 70 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:05,920 I was a part of me every time, but I became an artist after this experience because in 71 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:13,480 Tampa, out of the blue, I was playing tennis with my wife, she always beat me hard, but 72 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:14,480 not for that. 73 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:21,240 That was not the reason, but I had the coronary artery 100% of the wound. 74 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:26,000 And I was gone quickly, done and was in Tampa. 75 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:32,320 In eight minutes, I passed at least eight minutes gone and they were already signed 76 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:38,600 the time of death and the doctor, an angel, and with the defibrillation and I wake up 77 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:39,600 again. 78 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:47,880 I came back, but it's a big bad because, wow, he came back, he said to my wife, with 79 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:52,160 nothing like a baby, nothing. 80 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:54,400 No vital function affected, nothing. 81 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:56,360 It's new, it's brand new. 82 00:04:56,360 --> 00:05:02,200 And that was a really incredible surprise, miracle, because in eight minutes, you know, 83 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:04,400 you lose everything. 84 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:09,320 And we will talk a whole bunch more about your near-death experience in just a few minutes. 85 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:11,400 But this led to you becoming an artist. 86 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:12,400 Keep going. 87 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:18,360 Yes, because when I came back the first, and then I will tell you that, but I wanted to 88 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:23,600 change because my child, my wife, my life changed completely. 89 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:25,600 That was a turning point. 90 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:32,880 I said, I wanted to do something different in my life and I wanted to do something that 91 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:37,960 I really wanted to do in this moment, in this moment, because I love to do what I did. 92 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:43,360 And I wanted to do an artist because I wanted to do something to replicate the light that 93 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:47,680 I have seen in that period when I was with my father. 94 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:58,480 And I tried again to do with some medium like canvas, paper, glass, bronze, nothing was 95 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:02,560 nice for me to have the vibrancy in the light. 96 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:05,000 And this was paint on top of those? 97 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:07,040 I paint over aluminum, yes. 98 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:08,040 Okay. 99 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:11,120 So, but you tried painting on these other medium. 100 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:13,560 You just couldn't quite get the colors. 101 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:14,920 So you tried aluminum. 102 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:16,680 Who does that? 103 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:22,800 Because I saw pictures, you have photos, you can print on the aluminum and they are really 104 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:23,800 nice. 105 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:31,600 But for me, they were not so satisfied because the photo is beautiful, but it's not an movement. 106 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:35,680 It's stable, it's flat, it's two-dimension. 107 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:38,680 And then I tried to paint, move. 108 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:42,600 And that's the end, seems that I am doing very well because people love my... 109 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:48,400 Well, it is unusual and it is beautiful and if anybody wants to see some of your artwork, 110 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:49,720 Fabio Delboni.com. 111 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:54,600 And that will be in the show notes in case you can't spell it. 112 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:58,880 Well, we'll get into this even more as we get into your story. 113 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:03,960 I love talking to artists on the show that have had near-death experiences because we 114 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:06,520 get more of a feel for the color. 115 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:13,800 And I know it's so difficult to explain the color that you saw there or colors because 116 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:17,800 there are things that you can see there that you can't see here. 117 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:22,640 But let's back up, let's get to what, how did your NDE happen? 118 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:25,240 In other words, was there something going on with your health? 119 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:27,560 I know you had a major heart attack. 120 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:32,240 Did you have any idea that it was coming or was it just Wambab one day? 121 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:34,520 No, no idea. 122 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:41,520 And also I would like to say this, that was 2014, before traveling to and from Italy 123 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:47,520 to the United States to move the family months before I did a complete check out. 124 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:52,000 Let's say, my heart, my system, everything. 125 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:53,000 I was perfect. 126 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:58,480 15, 9 years old, very good fit, perfect. 127 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:01,120 Was really unexpected out of the blue. 128 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:06,720 I was playing tennis and the doctor said that was not the tennis or the sport. 129 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:13,280 They said, that saved your life because your body was able to resist some kind of massive 130 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:14,720 heart attack. 131 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:22,000 But in that moment, when I was, the match was ended with my wife, I lost. 132 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:29,480 And I would say, was Alexa, and her name is Alexa, Alessandra, but she's Alexa. 133 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:35,240 And that said, I cannot breathe or someone because I am really, are you kidding? 134 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:38,120 No, I am being something great back. 135 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:43,280 And then she called the ambulance, but was completely unexpected. 136 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:44,480 So tell us about that. 137 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:48,240 So you had this heart attack right there on the tennis court. 138 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:50,280 What happened next? 139 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:52,600 They came with the ambulance really fast. 140 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:56,280 I would like to say maybe 10 minutes. 141 00:08:56,280 --> 00:09:01,480 I just received the ambulance and they were prepared for that. 142 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:06,360 They brought me, fortunately, it was like not so far. 143 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:14,240 The tennis center was the, in Tempat was the Peppin Park Institute where they brought me 144 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:16,280 in a few minutes. 145 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:21,880 And when I arrived there, I saw all these people going around fast and we had nothing 146 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:23,040 to do with something like that. 147 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:26,720 They said, I am here, it's noisy, moving or something. 148 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:29,800 And then it was incredible for me. 149 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:35,560 And in that moment, I remember that I thought, okay, at least I am here. 150 00:09:35,560 --> 00:09:38,080 They can take care of me. 151 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:42,600 And then in that moment, I died. 152 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:48,760 And then I was gone. 153 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:55,440 And that is the period that I do remember what happened here. 154 00:09:55,440 --> 00:10:01,520 But my wife told me that what happened because she saw the line of the monitor. 155 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:06,080 Yeah, we call it a flat line and that was for eight minutes. 156 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:07,080 Yeah. 157 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:10,000 And she started crying and she saw all the people. 158 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:16,640 They pushed her in another room to don't see nothing, but they said, you cannot stay 159 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:17,640 here. 160 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:22,280 And she was, she were waiting for the answer. 161 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:26,680 And what the doctor came to her and said, it's solitary. 162 00:10:26,680 --> 00:10:35,440 I am not explained with my medicine book doc, but he came back and he's brand new with 163 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:36,440 a stand. 164 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:38,200 It would be a stand. 165 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:41,760 What is the first thing that you remember after that happened? 166 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:45,080 Some people go through a tunnel towards a light. 167 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:46,240 Did you have any of that? 168 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:48,400 Or what do you remember first? 169 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:52,000 Not the tunnel, but the light. 170 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:57,600 I was thinking that I am going to the light, or the light is coming to me. 171 00:10:57,600 --> 00:10:58,720 But it's the same. 172 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:02,480 I felt like I was part of the light. 173 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:08,360 My spirit was already without the body, free to go has an energy. 174 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:11,080 And that was the light, the movement of the light. 175 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:15,960 And then I immediately, immediately saw incredible light. 176 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:27,680 White, splendid white, but serenity, peaceful, but in any case, so strong, but not blinding. 177 00:11:27,680 --> 00:11:29,760 And then I saw my father. 178 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:38,440 I recognized his eyes, but the beautiful thing about the color there is that it's white, 179 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:48,600 you can only identify the incredible, never seen blues, greens, orange, yellows, reds, 180 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:50,560 then you can define everything. 181 00:11:50,560 --> 00:11:54,520 I was not dressed, but I was not naked. 182 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:57,160 I was white, like a spirit. 183 00:11:57,160 --> 00:12:00,800 But my father was white, like an angel. 184 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:07,440 But if I remember it, and I remember it, I remember his team, the color that he had when 185 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:12,080 we, when we were together, my five died 10 years before me. 186 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:15,240 I want to ask about the color you're talking about. 187 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:20,960 Because you're talking about light that is white, and you're seeing blue and other colors 188 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:21,960 in it. 189 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:24,880 All of them, all of them, not the black. 190 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:31,240 Now the only way I've been able to process that in my brain is thinking back to a physics 191 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:34,280 class that I had in college. 192 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:35,280 Yes. 193 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:41,240 The professor did a thing where he added different colors of light on a screen. 194 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:42,240 Okay. 195 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:44,720 Tell me if I get this right. 196 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:46,800 Green, blue, and red. 197 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:52,120 And if you cross those colors, you then get the secondary colors. 198 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:59,680 And as those colors are crossed in the very middle is white, meaning that white light 199 00:12:59,680 --> 00:13:03,760 has all the primary and secondary colors in it. 200 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:05,480 Is that correct? 201 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:06,480 Correct. 202 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:11,360 And then like a prismal, so you can see the color in another experiment in physics. 203 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:14,560 The color is going through the water and then it's separate. 204 00:13:14,560 --> 00:13:15,960 So like a prism? 205 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:16,960 Yes. 206 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:17,960 That sounds amazing. 207 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:18,960 Amazing. 208 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:19,960 It's amazing. 209 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:22,240 What I have seen is something, it's really something. 210 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:28,880 But, and I remember clearly, I, I recognize all colors. 211 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:36,960 And also I saw colors that I have never imagined that can be exist on, but I didn't see black. 212 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:43,040 And many grays, tonalities, but the whole black was not there. 213 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:46,960 So and you mentioned colors that you hadn't seen before. 214 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:52,160 Now that you're a painter, can you take a palette and mix up different colors of paint 215 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:55,520 and come up with some of the colors that you saw there? 216 00:13:55,520 --> 00:14:00,280 I am so continuous to try that because I need to do that. 217 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:04,320 I know that there is something more and more and more. 218 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:10,360 I am, I will actually say, I am really satisfied with what kind of color I can replicate in 219 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:12,240 my paintings. 220 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:18,200 But I, I know that there is more that I can do because it's not enough. 221 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:25,360 I think that never will be enough because even if I, if I, if I do that, it's not possible 222 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:28,240 to replicate all of that color. 223 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:34,000 And the final is to have that vibrancy of the light. 224 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:36,280 I am trying to replicate. 225 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:41,480 I would like to tell you something that maybe seems really strange, but this part is, I 226 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:46,720 can perceive right now colors that I was not able to do before. 227 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:54,040 When I look at it at the world, I, oh, and everything, I can identify color that for 228 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:59,080 me, they are part of new color, new, new fallets. 229 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:00,840 That is, it's something beautiful. 230 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:02,000 It's like a gift. 231 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:03,000 That is a gift. 232 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:05,040 So you're seeing that all the time? 233 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:06,040 Yes. 234 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:07,040 Wow. 235 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:08,040 Yeah. 236 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:09,040 That's incredible. 237 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:10,040 Okay. 238 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:11,040 I want to hear all about your father. 239 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:12,040 Yeah. 240 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:14,040 He died 10 years before you had this experience. 241 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:15,040 Yeah. 242 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:21,440 As we were talking earlier, you mentioned that you were able to somehow experience his 243 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:24,440 whole life during this experience. 244 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:25,440 Yes. 245 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:30,520 Can you tell me first about, about what kind of person he was and a little, just a very 246 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:34,560 briefly about his life and then how did you experience it? 247 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:38,480 Was it some sort of a telepathic thing or how did that work? 248 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:44,440 What's like not a communication like spirit one, really spiritual communication and not 249 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:53,880 only his life, but also his private life to understand how he came to the world and to 250 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:54,880 the life. 251 00:15:54,880 --> 00:16:00,360 And I remember something because it was part of my subconscious, some memories because 252 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:08,560 they told me many times, my father, my mother, some, some stories about my youngest, my child, 253 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:10,800 but also my father. 254 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:19,840 My father was a really brave man, generous man, and he was born from a night of miracle 255 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:27,800 between a lady and a man that they love each other, but was a little bit before the second 256 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:34,800 war and in the middle, between the first and the second and most close to the first and 257 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:47,320 the was 1926, 1926, that was my but the story in the book is that my father was coming from 258 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:55,960 a, an adultery because the guy was with this lady was married and at that time it was possible 259 00:16:55,960 --> 00:17:03,680 to have this relation because under the fascism was really and he was a card. 260 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:10,600 There was a, let's say a lieutenant of the name, we got him. 261 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:18,880 And okay, he got, he committed suicide, this guy, went all that feeling out and my father 262 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:27,760 went to the orphanage because for his mother, it wasn't possible to take him and keep him. 263 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:32,440 And he passed these days and growing up in the orphanage, trying to escape them because 264 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:35,880 he doesn't want to take, he didn't want to stay there. 265 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:42,240 And there was coming the second war and he engaged the, the naming also. 266 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:49,080 And he was a young there in the submarine and one day in the submarine, we did the war, 267 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:57,200 that submarine was beaten by, by the bombs from the acre and the British and the submarine 268 00:17:57,200 --> 00:18:06,400 was already under one hundred meter, they were all dying, but the chef of the submarine 269 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:12,800 or the crew decided he loved my father, decided to put my father in the, in the chamber of 270 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:19,720 the torpedo chamber and launching like a missile, like a torpedo out of the, the water. 271 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:22,480 But he said, at least you can have a chance. 272 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:31,960 We are dying here and he died, but the, the corn water, really cold in the Mediterranean, 273 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:38,960 he maintained keeping alive in coma for months. 274 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:43,200 And he was recovered by a gypsy family that they were around like they do. 275 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:44,200 He's a big Uber. 276 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:49,960 They keep the, they took the body and move the body into them. 277 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:56,000 After months, my father came back, suddenly, and he started taking his life, it's new life. 278 00:18:56,000 --> 00:19:04,280 And his life was really an eventual life going around all the countries from South America 279 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:08,560 to North America, Europe, traveling alone. 280 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:11,680 He met my mother in Brazil. 281 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:17,440 They had the sixth, I am the third one in the middle. 282 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:22,360 And always my father was loving me and then I loved my father. 283 00:19:22,360 --> 00:19:25,320 Also my mother, but in this case was with my father. 284 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:30,760 He could mind that my mother, he could mind that my mother died five months before my 285 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:32,040 father. 286 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:38,240 And then not there, but after I, I, I thought, but why I didn't see my mother? 287 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:43,760 I said, maybe because she was not yet there. 288 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:47,480 Well, I don't know, but I met my father. 289 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:58,240 He was telling me all of his story to understand really in the deep what I can do for myself 290 00:19:58,240 --> 00:19:59,600 with my energy. 291 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:03,320 My father was a reiki master. 292 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:09,400 Reiki is a technique that I think that you can show you know is to, he is capable to 293 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:14,600 see your people with the end with energy and let me say that I was really skeptical. 294 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:19,880 But you will, you will understand one day you have more energy than me and then you 295 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:23,760 will use that energy when you, when there will be the moment. 296 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:32,040 You told me at least every time I was, you know, living the life the courage way has 297 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:38,440 he, he showed me all the times, never think you have nothing that can do for me like a 298 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:39,440 superman. 299 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:44,320 But in that moment when I was between, he was telling me the story. 300 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:52,680 And then I understood also my, my early years, what I did believe and what my father showed 301 00:20:52,680 --> 00:21:02,320 me the ways to, to be with others, respect the integrity more away, no matter what you 302 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:04,200 don't have to give up. 303 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:07,720 You have many very strong messages. 304 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:14,600 Let me just clarify, were these messages before he passed away or during your NDE? 305 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:15,600 Both. 306 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:16,600 Both, okay. 307 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:22,280 I, I had in my thoughts, I, I grew up with that, but I was not focusing on that. 308 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:23,280 Sure. 309 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:27,200 I had to say that I was not following that for sure I was following because it wasn't 310 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:28,200 me. 311 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:34,480 So during your experience, part of what he was communicating to you was all about energy. 312 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:42,480 All about love and all about the generosity, the open mind, being with others. 313 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:46,560 And that was something that say, okay, but that I do that. 314 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:47,560 I know that. 315 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:49,960 Yes, but you can do more. 316 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:54,440 And that was the idea of the energy, use the energy to come back. 317 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:56,720 That was the moment, the intention. 318 00:21:56,720 --> 00:22:02,040 He said, you passed that frontier that I was not there. 319 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:08,080 You are somewhere in the place that is not yet your place. 320 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:09,720 Go back. 321 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:14,000 Just a quick break to tell you about an exciting program that we have coming up. 322 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:17,240 One of our favorite guests on the show, Jeff Jansen. 323 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:20,280 I believe he was episode number 328. 324 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:22,160 If you want to go back and listen to it. 325 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:28,280 Anyway, Jeff is offering a special discount on his master class series called, What Really 326 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:30,920 Happens When We Die? 327 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:36,520 Jeff has studied over 5000 NDEs, has written multiple books, including 10 life changing 328 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afterlife can help us live our best life now. 338 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:26,800 This class is a great idea. 339 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:28,720 In fact, it's a great gift idea. 340 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:33,160 We'll put a link in the show notes and on roundtripdeath.com where you can read more 341 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:36,240 about it and sign up for the half price deal. 342 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,360 Now back to the interview. 343 00:23:38,360 --> 00:23:44,040 Yeah, at what point during this experience did you realize I'm not staying, I need to 344 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:45,040 go back? 345 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:51,960 When I was talking with him, but talking like I repeat spiritually, energy in not like 346 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:54,280 no leads, they were moving nothing. 347 00:23:54,280 --> 00:24:02,240 In that moment for me was when he said, Fabio, you have energy, use that energy. 348 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:05,120 And in that moment, something happened. 349 00:24:05,120 --> 00:24:10,400 And what happened was that in after eight minutes, the doctor wanted to try again. 350 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:13,960 That was the moment when I was talking with that with my father. 351 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:18,680 In that moment, the doctor was trying to get him to take me back. 352 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:25,400 I remember really clearly that that light that they had in front of me, all around me, become 353 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:28,920 yellow and like a team. 354 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:34,960 And that was the light that the staff of the doctor was pointing me on my eyes and said, 355 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,920 sir, sir, your name, your name. 356 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:39,920 I said, Fabio. 357 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:44,000 And in that moment, I was again here. 358 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:53,000 I am not, I'm not embarrassed to say I was so frustrated in that moment because I was 359 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:54,920 so peaceful there. 360 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:56,160 Was so beautiful. 361 00:24:56,160 --> 00:25:00,680 Not that a piece, a place where you said, why I have to move from here? 362 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:01,680 I stay here. 363 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:03,360 I wanted to stay with you. 364 00:25:03,360 --> 00:25:05,560 But that was an instant, no? 365 00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:10,840 Because of course, you realize that you lose your family, you lose everything here. 366 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:18,200 And for sure, I don't want to leave my wife or my kids, my family. 367 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:25,520 But in that moment, when the light, the wonderful light changed to the white light yellow, like 368 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:28,400 the flashlight, that was a distant. 369 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:29,400 Wow. 370 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:35,480 Kind of a rude awakening just from the beautiful place to the yellow light back in that body. 371 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:39,080 We'll get to that part and talk about some of your physical recovery. 372 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:42,880 I want to hear more about what happened during this eight minutes. 373 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,600 Do you remember looking around? 374 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:51,040 Was there anything else that you saw or experienced in addition to your father there? 375 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:53,000 I saw his life. 376 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:54,800 And I was living his life. 377 00:25:54,800 --> 00:26:02,280 I was with my father and I relived with him like 100 years. 378 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:09,560 His life, his parent life, the story of the love story of his parents. 379 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:15,520 And my life, I was there and I saw people. 380 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:20,040 I saw perfectly that I was like in the movie, but was not a movie. 381 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:28,120 Was something that I was touching was I was there, even if it was not my kind, because 382 00:26:28,120 --> 00:26:35,360 that was decades before me, but I was there with my father and he showed me what I was 383 00:26:35,360 --> 00:26:36,360 able to see. 384 00:26:36,360 --> 00:26:39,760 And then he said, this is where you are coming from. 385 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:43,080 This is where I have to understand that. 386 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:44,640 I said, yes. 387 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:51,440 This is so fascinating to me because a lot of people have what's known as a life review. 388 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:55,080 You were doing more like your father's life review. 389 00:26:55,080 --> 00:27:01,520 I was through my father's life, looking also at my life at a certain point, but to understand 390 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:08,200 my life seems that my father has to tell me on the other part on his life. 391 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:10,480 And I followed him without doubt. 392 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:13,320 Like I said, I was with him. 393 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:15,760 And that was really fascinating. 394 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,560 And then I understood very well one thing. 395 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:25,320 And then it's written in the book that I tried to do my best to explain what happened in 396 00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:28,120 there and is the time. 397 00:27:28,120 --> 00:27:34,840 Let me say something about the time, the variable of time, because when you said, what is time, 398 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:41,240 what is time, and you said, okay, what is the mean, 60 seconds, okay, okay, what happened 399 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:42,240 in 60 seconds? 400 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:43,720 I don't know. 401 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:49,760 A good football player can sport, something bad can happen, many things, what, I don't 402 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:50,760 know. 403 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:57,280 But the minute that I have is different than your minutes, even if it's still a minute, 404 00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:01,600 because the value of the time, what I give to that means. 405 00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:08,240 I can do something in that time, one minute that is taking so much value for me, for you, 406 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:09,240 it's not the same value. 407 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:10,240 You have other goals. 408 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:11,240 You have other goals. 409 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:16,720 You have other goals, and that is the variable really important to understand, because the 410 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:22,880 value that we give to the time is crucial. 411 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:29,360 And that is the message that I came back from, said, okay, I have to value my time. 412 00:28:29,360 --> 00:28:32,360 I have that the time is valid. 413 00:28:32,360 --> 00:28:39,960 And that was something that helped me to write the book, because I was for six years, six 414 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:47,120 years with not telling the stories to nobody, because it was too touch-full to me. 415 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:52,480 Even if I read now, if I read my book, I still cry. 416 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:58,160 It's a happy ending story, because I am here, but I am still crying because it's emotional. 417 00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:03,160 I was not able to talk to them, because I don't want to embarrass people, to shock people, 418 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:08,280 people laughing at me, because I am talking about angels, I am talking about light, something 419 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:12,120 that they don't want to become, somebody's oldie, he's crazy. 420 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:18,640 But my wife and the doctor said, Fabio, you had a gift, you have an extra life. 421 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:24,840 Use that extra life, share your story, because it can help people to understand how can use 422 00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:32,000 the time or how you can use the love, how you can spread hope and healing. 423 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:33,960 You have to tell him story. 424 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:34,960 It wasn't must. 425 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:39,120 Then I was a writer, a journalist, I started writing. 426 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:41,320 That's it. 427 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:42,480 That was the big. 428 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:47,760 Was there anything else that you saw besides your father and his life? 429 00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:55,640 I saw my life with my wife, I saw my kids, I saw everything on my life. 430 00:29:55,640 --> 00:30:02,800 In the book, I was written about my father, because it was so important for me, the message. 431 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:08,240 I didn't want to have this message from me to others. 432 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:13,640 The message that I received from my father are the same message that I can say to you. 433 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:19,360 But in that moment, my father was the maximum message that I can send. 434 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:21,680 I wanted to share that message. 435 00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:22,680 That's great. 436 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:29,680 I relived all my life from when I was a young person in Cuba, when Fidel Castro was with 437 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:36,280 my father, my father was fighting with him because he was a private Italian in Cuba, 438 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:40,440 when the revolution wanted to have all the properties. 439 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:44,440 We could do a whole show just on the politics of Cuba, I'm sure. 440 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:48,720 But I'm not done grilling you on your NDE yet. 441 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:54,040 I just want to know if there was anything else that you saw or experienced there. 442 00:30:54,040 --> 00:31:01,200 So your father's life review, your life review, lots of white and color, anything else. 443 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:08,920 I saw the peace, the peaceful place is the maximum in the happiness. 444 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:13,000 All of us, we are looking for happiness in some way. 445 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:20,360 But it's like climbing a mountain on a tree where every time you go up and up, you can 446 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,080 find more happiness. 447 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:29,120 And the happiness that I have seen there was celestial, was living, the immense, we cannot 448 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:38,560 have time, was not there, was no, all positive things, all the beauty, all in an imaginable, 449 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:40,720 peaceful, good life. 450 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,200 Describe the love that you felt. 451 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:44,560 There or now? 452 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:45,560 There. 453 00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:52,880 There is no truth, totally without prejudice, this is the thing that I learned there alone, 454 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:59,480 is no prejudice, no, no, I didn't have before, but more. 455 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:04,600 You don't have to live, you have to be really open, the love with each other. 456 00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:06,880 You don't know nobody. 457 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:13,240 But for example, it's not in the book, but my father showed me when I was young, I used 458 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:20,360 to smile a lot with people, and my father said, told me, you remember that smile you gave 459 00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:21,360 that guy? 460 00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:23,400 No, I don't remember. 461 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:31,240 I was smiling at a guy that was coming to me like desperate, like going out, you know, 462 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:36,680 and after my smile, I didn't care about that time and that for sure I was not remembered 463 00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:37,680 that. 464 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:44,400 But there, my father was showing me what happened to that guy when he smiled, he said, look 465 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:52,280 at his face, and I smiled to him, and I saw that smile, and I saw the guy was opening 466 00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:53,280 this energy. 467 00:32:53,280 --> 00:33:02,360 And I said, Fabio, when you smile to someone, easy law, this energy, and you share energy, 468 00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:09,000 you give so much energy just this smile that you cannot imagine. 469 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:10,960 And that is part of the love. 470 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:19,200 That also seems to be kind of a common denominator on life reviews, is that people experience 471 00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:22,640 how their actions affected other people. 472 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:24,040 Yes, yes. 473 00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,080 Was there any more of that that you can remember? 474 00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:29,080 Yes, I remember all of my life. 475 00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:38,480 And also, because in the book, I focused on my father and that submarine, I saw how people 476 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:45,760 react on the others and how some, like this cook that put my father in a chamber to the 477 00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:49,600 torpedo, what was changing since that. 478 00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:54,200 He was a hero, an angel, or what? 479 00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:58,240 Or both, angel and hero, to protect him. 480 00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:05,320 And we don't know maybe when we do easily things like a smile, we cannot imagine how 481 00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:07,720 it can affect others. 482 00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:13,320 On the contrary, how you can affect someone with not smiling, but with a bad face. 483 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,600 But in that there was not that face. 484 00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:22,680 You know, there was only smiles, only nice things. 485 00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:31,720 And another thing that I was able to identify there, and that changed a lot my life, that 486 00:34:31,720 --> 00:34:34,760 I can explain this way. 487 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:42,600 All of us, we have in front of us extraordinary things that for us, we don't care because 488 00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:44,960 they are always in front of me. 489 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:52,640 No, you have on your back, for example, that nice shipwheel, that one is a beautiful one. 490 00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:56,320 You can say, okay, there are many others like that. 491 00:34:56,320 --> 00:35:00,000 No, that is an extraordinary piece of art. 492 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:04,120 Someone a genius made that for you. 493 00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:08,320 What doesn't mean that you can go where you want. 494 00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:11,040 What is the real meaning of that? 495 00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:17,240 And then you can identify, you can start thinking of the ordinary like extraordinary. 496 00:35:17,240 --> 00:35:20,080 And that's what I do now as an artist. 497 00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,840 I look at the view as sunset. 498 00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:31,800 I can have that sunset every day, but every one of them is not ordinary, is extraordinary, 499 00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:33,480 is amazing. 500 00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:41,440 And then if you try to give the right value of the things, you change a lot your life. 501 00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:43,240 That's a great message. 502 00:35:43,240 --> 00:35:45,240 Just to be grateful. 503 00:35:45,240 --> 00:35:46,240 Thank you. 504 00:35:46,240 --> 00:35:48,960 And I am trying to do something out of steam. 505 00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:54,320 I hope my words and my art can help you understand this. 506 00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:55,320 Absolutely. 507 00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:56,320 And we appreciate it. 508 00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:58,760 I have to ask you a hard question. 509 00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:04,480 And this is not in any accusatory way at all or anything, but people are going to hear 510 00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:13,400 that you're about your father being shot out of a torpedo tube a hundred meters down. 511 00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:17,480 And they're going to say there is no way that somebody can live through that. 512 00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:18,480 No way. 513 00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:19,480 No way. 514 00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:21,400 Do you have any explanation? 515 00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,480 Yes, I have an explanation about that. 516 00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:25,640 And then it's the water. 517 00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:27,640 It's the cold. 518 00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:29,040 It's called hypotermia. 519 00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:36,800 I made a lot of research about that before writing because when I was there, I was seeing 520 00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:45,920 this, but when I was writing the film, I wanted to have something all sustainable from research 521 00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:49,440 or something, and I did research on that period. 522 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:57,000 I did research of military weapons, and I did a lot of research, like two years of researching 523 00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:03,640 as a journalist also, because I used to do research for investigation for what happened. 524 00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:05,720 And then I found many others. 525 00:37:05,720 --> 00:37:10,600 My father was not the only one during that. 526 00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:19,600 That was, I find out that was, I don't want to say a method, but was a way to try to escape 527 00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:25,120 from a submarine that was going down without chance to survive. 528 00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:32,000 The thing that if you have to imagine that a submarine at that period was no longer that 529 00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:38,040 this room, and they are leaving 47 people on that submarine, wait, five. 530 00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:46,720 Even imagine 47 people like ants in a refuist of ants, they stay there close. 531 00:37:46,720 --> 00:37:48,560 I cannot believe that. 532 00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:53,240 I cannot even imagine that, but they were leaving there. 533 00:37:53,240 --> 00:37:59,920 And my father was 16, 17, at that time, if he was 18 years old, he was really skinny, 534 00:37:59,920 --> 00:38:02,600 younger, the younger of the blue. 535 00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:10,800 And the words that the cook said, try to save yourself, at least you have a chance. 536 00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:16,680 And then he researched, and that happened other times, and all people died, all of them. 537 00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:21,680 Yeah, and I saw a film a while back, I can't think of the name of it right now, of someone 538 00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:25,920 in a similar situation was shot out of a torpedo tube. 539 00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,880 He did live, but blasted out his ears. 540 00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:30,840 He lost his hearing. 541 00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:32,560 Was your father's hearing okay? 542 00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:33,560 He was okay. 543 00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:35,560 He was just fine. 544 00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:36,640 That's fine. 545 00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:41,440 And that was all, I don't know if it's the good term in English, but it was in Italian 546 00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:43,440 terms, it's Pippo-Termian. 547 00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:50,240 Yeah, it's under the medical, I don't know how it's made it called, sorry about that. 548 00:38:50,240 --> 00:38:56,040 But it's like when you are going down some kind of level of temperature. 549 00:38:56,040 --> 00:39:00,480 Yeah, and air pressure as well with your ears. 550 00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:04,920 You are dead, but you are alive inside because you are frozen. 551 00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:08,840 Yeah, because the water, especially that deep is very, very cold. 552 00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:09,840 So cold. 553 00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:12,080 Yeah, that is amazing. 554 00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:17,480 I did research for that because I said, that story has to be sustainable. 555 00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:18,480 And it was. 556 00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:19,480 Okay. 557 00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:23,600 Well, I've tried to exhaust everything that you can remember from your NDE. 558 00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:25,560 What was it like coming back? 559 00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:30,120 How long did it take you to get better, you know, physically? 560 00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:34,960 They put a stint in, you mentioned, and then how long were you in the hospital? 561 00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:36,520 One day and after that. 562 00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:37,520 That's it. 563 00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:38,520 It's ending cold. 564 00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:39,520 Yes, one day. 565 00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:41,960 I said, you're fine. 566 00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:43,920 You had a number of miracles happen. 567 00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:45,960 I said, I know that. 568 00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:46,960 I am really not. 569 00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,400 Yeah, I know that. 570 00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:50,720 I'm so grateful. 571 00:39:50,720 --> 00:39:52,120 I am a water miracle. 572 00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:53,120 I know that. 573 00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:54,480 Fabio the miracle. 574 00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:57,480 I need my life, like the life in Cigar. 575 00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:05,040 Before we finish up, and this is not the topic of the podcast, but I'm so curious about 576 00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:08,120 more of your background and how you were raised. 577 00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:14,120 And part of it is because you mentioned going to school in Florence must have affected your 578 00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:15,880 artwork someday. 579 00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:18,880 You weren't an artist back then, but you are now. 580 00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:24,240 And for those that have visited Florence, tell us about the famous artwork in Florence. 581 00:40:24,240 --> 00:40:26,960 I'm a huge fan of Michelangelo, by the way. 582 00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:27,960 You have Michelangelo. 583 00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:31,080 You have all of them. 584 00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:33,600 You go to the Fizzi. 585 00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:36,120 One of the best museums in the world. 586 00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:41,960 You can find expressions that are so amazing and unbelievable. 587 00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:48,200 And I will tell you that when I was young and I was in Florence, I visited many times 588 00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:49,200 that museum. 589 00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:56,920 And then even if I was an engineer, but what happened was that I was able to understand 590 00:40:56,920 --> 00:41:01,840 how to use the ease as an engineer, the pains. 591 00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:05,440 And what you are able to do with a pen is unbelievable. 592 00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:11,680 And you cannot imagine what you can do with a pen, just a pen, not a brush, not ink, nothing. 593 00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:14,000 And he was an amazing painter. 594 00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:20,400 But I read something, a quote from him saying, really, he was a sculptor. 595 00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:22,720 He preferred being a sculptor. 596 00:41:22,720 --> 00:41:27,600 He was kind of forced to paint, and he was the Sistine Chapel and everything. 597 00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:28,600 It's incredible. 598 00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:30,840 He was forced to paint that. 599 00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:33,640 He was like a slave, no moving. 600 00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:34,640 No moving. 601 00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:35,640 You can imagine like that. 602 00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:38,680 He's painting all the time and makes these. 603 00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:45,200 But for people that haven't been to Florence and seen the David statue, it is literally 604 00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:46,640 bigger than life. 605 00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:47,640 Yes. 606 00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:50,560 It's something that you can see for perfection. 607 00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:56,320 But there are other great sculptures that we'll be in, like for example, I love Antonio 608 00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:59,600 Canova, the perfection of his movement. 609 00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:11,000 And they are trying, and I think, to replicate what they had inside. 610 00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:17,200 And that is more or less the same that they've seen there, is how you can replicate something 611 00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:20,840 so beautiful, like the human body. 612 00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:25,680 I'm so disturbed, I don't want to do recordings, but I'm disturbed by it. 613 00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:28,880 You said, I have to cover that, or I have to do that. 614 00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:30,560 There is nothing better. 615 00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:33,560 There is the human body, it's science, it's art. 616 00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:37,800 Well, and speaking of that, I think some people might be uncomfortable with the fact 617 00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:43,120 that you said, when you were in the spirit world, you did not have clothes, but I think 618 00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:45,240 you said you didn't feel naked either. 619 00:42:45,240 --> 00:42:46,240 Explain that. 620 00:42:46,240 --> 00:42:51,960 Explain that is easy, because I would not say I was not with my shirt. 621 00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:56,760 When it happened that, I was in the tennis clothes, no? 622 00:42:56,760 --> 00:43:02,800 The shirt, short pants, and sneakers, and no, tennis shoes. 623 00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:07,800 I was there, and how I am not like that, in there. 624 00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:11,120 I was not dressed, but I was not naked. 625 00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:13,800 I was feeling, I was tenured. 626 00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,320 And then how can I imagine what I said? 627 00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:22,200 I don't know, dress it in some way, but I was not taking, I was white, I was taking 628 00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:25,480 colors like this, no? 629 00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:29,680 That white that I have seen there was composed by many colors. 630 00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:31,760 I understand what you said. 631 00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:37,680 I hope that nobody is offended, but I was not naked, but I cannot say I was dressed, 632 00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:40,400 because if I said I was dressed, and you said, ah. 633 00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:42,400 I might say, what were you wearing? 634 00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:44,000 Did you die? 635 00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:46,440 So tennis clothes or what? 636 00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:48,920 No, I was white. 637 00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:51,160 I was, I was evidence. 638 00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:52,160 I was feeling. 639 00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:58,520 Do you remember speaking of spirit and energy, was there any physical contact with your father 640 00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:01,720 and embrace or anything like that? 641 00:44:01,720 --> 00:44:09,200 Nothing like we can use to feel like body with another body, but totally energy. 642 00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:11,480 That is the meaning. 643 00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:24,360 And that was so, so much great and higher than a hard body with both the energy is inmates. 644 00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:32,000 And you feel, you feel that you feel his mind, he feel your, his, his energy. 645 00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:39,640 But when I stand out of this, the first thing that I wanted to do for me is that the body 646 00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:41,120 was not there. 647 00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:42,720 My body was no more. 648 00:44:42,720 --> 00:44:48,600 It's like a machine and a unit stop. 649 00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:50,320 It was not working. 650 00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:55,480 I was leaving my body and leaving the energy that I have inside. 651 00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:57,120 Did you miss your body? 652 00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:59,400 In that moment, not at all. 653 00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:01,080 I was not thinking of men. 654 00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:02,840 All right, two more quick questions. 655 00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:07,280 I love to ask people, do you now have any fear of death? 656 00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:08,880 I cannot trust you. 657 00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:18,720 I don't have no fear about that because I saw a beautiful is there, but I am terrified 658 00:45:18,720 --> 00:45:19,720 to die. 659 00:45:19,720 --> 00:45:20,720 Why? 660 00:45:20,720 --> 00:45:24,400 Because I am here as a human. 661 00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:27,080 And then I can see, I cannot imagine it. 662 00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:33,640 I don't want to see what can happen to my family, my friends, my business, something 663 00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:35,240 because I am here. 664 00:45:35,240 --> 00:45:37,960 And then I am terrified. 665 00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:45,440 So if I think on that, but, and that is something that my doctor said, you can have someone 666 00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:53,160 to relieve because to have peace because everybody can cry because they are missing, 667 00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:57,840 they are lost, but they can cry because they are lost. 668 00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:05,200 But don't cry for them because they are in a really peaceful place. 669 00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:06,480 And that's the idea. 670 00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:09,720 I know how beautiful it is. 671 00:46:09,720 --> 00:46:16,040 I would like to say, how can you have fear about a wonderful place? 672 00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:20,840 You are scared about leaving someone here. 673 00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:30,440 That's yes, because you know all the things because we are building peace of art, communication, 674 00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:36,760 papers, podcasts, we are building what we wanted to do in this world. 675 00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:43,720 But when we are there, we have, we have only energy that is not only useful and we leave 676 00:46:43,720 --> 00:46:44,720 all of this stuff. 677 00:46:44,720 --> 00:46:50,280 We leave our Mercedes or our house or we leave them here. 678 00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:51,280 We don't need that. 679 00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:52,280 Call of God. 680 00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:56,000 I'm sure we don't care about that stuff. 681 00:46:56,000 --> 00:47:00,600 Neither do we care about the people, the people obviously we do. 682 00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:05,640 Okay, what is one last message that you would like to leave with our listeners? 683 00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:13,680 Okay, the message is, no matter, never give up and love and God needs to be. 684 00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:16,040 All right, Fabio, thanks a ton. 685 00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:21,160 Thank you so much. 686 00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:22,400 Thank you for listening. 687 00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:28,880 And remember to check out the What Really Happens After We Die Master class at roundtriptest.com 688 00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:31,000 or the link in our show notes. 689 00:47:31,000 --> 00:48:00,800 Until then, I wish you everything good that you're looking for in this life and the next.