From the time that they pronounced me deaf was a good 45 minutes.
They cut my clothes and then they paddled my heart, my heart had stopped.
And I could see people screaming and crying, but I didn't realize that was actually my
physical body because I was somewhere else.
The only thing that I could feel, if you could imagine, absolute love and peace, there wasn't
anything else to be felt.
I was greeted by people I'd known in the past.
I'm back home again.
Incredibly safe and felt at home.
Welcome to Round Trip Death, everybody.
And I'd like to welcome our special guest, Fabio Delboni.
Did I say that right?
Yes, I would like to say it from 0 to 10, 7 and up.
Would you say it properly, please?
Delboni.
Yes, that is a 9 and a half.
Okay.
Well, for me to get a 9 and a half and anything's pretty good.
So anyway, hey, welcome.
It's good to have you, Fabio.
And I know the first question people are going to ask, please don't be embarrassed.
Are you the Fabio that was on the cover of all the romance novels?
You know the Fabio, that was maybe because they lost their hair, you know.
No, no.
So that was you 20 years ago.
And that was mean, but it's a secret.
I cannot share that.
All right.
So Fabio, I know you're from Italy.
You live in Florida now.
Tell us a little more about you.
Okay.
I grew up in the South American and Central America.
My first 17 years, I lived in 13 countries all around.
Paloma, Venezuela, Colombia, Argentina.
Many of them because my father was traveling a lot.
And then I was following them.
And then when I was a teen, although I went to Italy to do my own path.
And then I got to the college in Florence for the engineering college.
And after all, instead of becoming an engineer, I was, but I become a journalist.
And then I traveled a lot as a journalist in many fields.
I was also a chief editor, editor in chief for financial newspaper in Italy.
I worked many years for an agency, the journalists.
And then I went to the other part of the wall.
That's been, we have journalists, they talk with the communication part of the government
or the enterprise.
And they like to fight, really fight sometimes.
But I crossed the line.
I went there.
I worked there for many big companies.
And then I become a journalist again.
I stand back a bit.
And then I came back again there.
I was like moving in Italy is a little bit crazy.
In the United States, they consider, wow, this guy is really something because he can adapt
for many situations.
But we can't, what is this?
What is he?
Journalist or communication part.
Okay, but I become like an executive and then at the end I decided to my own company as
a strategic consultant, opening in the United States.
And I moved the family where to Florida because the weather because close to the South America,
Central America, but for me, they were the best market to work.
We landed in Tampa.
And now we live in Sarasota where I have an art gallery because I become an artist.
That's the thing that I have to ask you.
You went from journalist to engineer, journalist, et cetera.
How did you become an artist?
I was a part of me every time, but I became an artist after this experience because in
Tampa, out of the blue, I was playing tennis with my wife, she always beat me hard, but
not for that.
That was not the reason, but I had the coronary artery 100% of the wound.
And I was gone quickly, done and was in Tampa.
In eight minutes, I passed at least eight minutes gone and they were already signed
the time of death and the doctor, an angel, and with the defibrillation and I wake up
again.
I came back, but it's a big bad because, wow, he came back, he said to my wife, with
nothing like a baby, nothing.
No vital function affected, nothing.
It's new, it's brand new.
And that was a really incredible surprise, miracle, because in eight minutes, you know,
you lose everything.
And we will talk a whole bunch more about your near-death experience in just a few minutes.
But this led to you becoming an artist.
Keep going.
Yes, because when I came back the first, and then I will tell you that, but I wanted to
change because my child, my wife, my life changed completely.
That was a turning point.
I said, I wanted to do something different in my life and I wanted to do something that
I really wanted to do in this moment, in this moment, because I love to do what I did.
And I wanted to do an artist because I wanted to do something to replicate the light that
I have seen in that period when I was with my father.
And I tried again to do with some medium like canvas, paper, glass, bronze, nothing was
nice for me to have the vibrancy in the light.
And this was paint on top of those?
I paint over aluminum, yes.
Okay.
So, but you tried painting on these other medium.
You just couldn't quite get the colors.
So you tried aluminum.
Who does that?
Because I saw pictures, you have photos, you can print on the aluminum and they are really
nice.
But for me, they were not so satisfied because the photo is beautiful, but it's not an movement.
It's stable, it's flat, it's two-dimension.
And then I tried to paint, move.
And that's the end, seems that I am doing very well because people love my...
Well, it is unusual and it is beautiful and if anybody wants to see some of your artwork,
Fabio Delboni.com.
And that will be in the show notes in case you can't spell it.
Well, we'll get into this even more as we get into your story.
I love talking to artists on the show that have had near-death experiences because we
get more of a feel for the color.
And I know it's so difficult to explain the color that you saw there or colors because
there are things that you can see there that you can't see here.
But let's back up, let's get to what, how did your NDE happen?
In other words, was there something going on with your health?
I know you had a major heart attack.
Did you have any idea that it was coming or was it just Wambab one day?
No, no idea.
And also I would like to say this, that was 2014, before traveling to and from Italy
to the United States to move the family months before I did a complete check out.
Let's say, my heart, my system, everything.
I was perfect.
15, 9 years old, very good fit, perfect.
Was really unexpected out of the blue.
I was playing tennis and the doctor said that was not the tennis or the sport.
They said, that saved your life because your body was able to resist some kind of massive
heart attack.
But in that moment, when I was, the match was ended with my wife, I lost.
And I would say, was Alexa, and her name is Alexa, Alessandra, but she's Alexa.
And that said, I cannot breathe or someone because I am really, are you kidding?
No, I am being something great back.
And then she called the ambulance, but was completely unexpected.
So tell us about that.
So you had this heart attack right there on the tennis court.
What happened next?
They came with the ambulance really fast.
I would like to say maybe 10 minutes.
I just received the ambulance and they were prepared for that.
They brought me, fortunately, it was like not so far.
The tennis center was the, in Tempat was the Peppin Park Institute where they brought me
in a few minutes.
And when I arrived there, I saw all these people going around fast and we had nothing
to do with something like that.
They said, I am here, it's noisy, moving or something.
And then it was incredible for me.
And in that moment, I remember that I thought, okay, at least I am here.
They can take care of me.
And then in that moment, I died.
And then I was gone.
And that is the period that I do remember what happened here.
But my wife told me that what happened because she saw the line of the monitor.
Yeah, we call it a flat line and that was for eight minutes.
Yeah.
And she started crying and she saw all the people.
They pushed her in another room to don't see nothing, but they said, you cannot stay
here.
And she was, she were waiting for the answer.
And what the doctor came to her and said, it's solitary.
I am not explained with my medicine book doc, but he came back and he's brand new with
a stand.
It would be a stand.
What is the first thing that you remember after that happened?
Some people go through a tunnel towards a light.
Did you have any of that?
Or what do you remember first?
Not the tunnel, but the light.
I was thinking that I am going to the light, or the light is coming to me.
But it's the same.
I felt like I was part of the light.
My spirit was already without the body, free to go has an energy.
And that was the light, the movement of the light.
And then I immediately, immediately saw incredible light.
White, splendid white, but serenity, peaceful, but in any case, so strong, but not blinding.
And then I saw my father.
I recognized his eyes, but the beautiful thing about the color there is that it's white,
you can only identify the incredible, never seen blues, greens, orange, yellows, reds,
then you can define everything.
I was not dressed, but I was not naked.
I was white, like a spirit.
But my father was white, like an angel.
But if I remember it, and I remember it, I remember his team, the color that he had when
we, when we were together, my five died 10 years before me.
I want to ask about the color you're talking about.
Because you're talking about light that is white, and you're seeing blue and other colors
in it.
All of them, all of them, not the black.
Now the only way I've been able to process that in my brain is thinking back to a physics
class that I had in college.
Yes.
The professor did a thing where he added different colors of light on a screen.
Okay.
Tell me if I get this right.
Green, blue, and red.
And if you cross those colors, you then get the secondary colors.
And as those colors are crossed in the very middle is white, meaning that white light
has all the primary and secondary colors in it.
Is that correct?
Correct.
And then like a prismal, so you can see the color in another experiment in physics.
The color is going through the water and then it's separate.
So like a prism?
Yes.
That sounds amazing.
Amazing.
It's amazing.
What I have seen is something, it's really something.
But, and I remember clearly, I, I recognize all colors.
And also I saw colors that I have never imagined that can be exist on, but I didn't see black.
And many grays, tonalities, but the whole black was not there.
So and you mentioned colors that you hadn't seen before.
Now that you're a painter, can you take a palette and mix up different colors of paint
and come up with some of the colors that you saw there?
I am so continuous to try that because I need to do that.
I know that there is something more and more and more.
I am, I will actually say, I am really satisfied with what kind of color I can replicate in
my paintings.
But I, I know that there is more that I can do because it's not enough.
I think that never will be enough because even if I, if I, if I do that, it's not possible
to replicate all of that color.
And the final is to have that vibrancy of the light.
I am trying to replicate.
I would like to tell you something that maybe seems really strange, but this part is, I
can perceive right now colors that I was not able to do before.
When I look at it at the world, I, oh, and everything, I can identify color that for
me, they are part of new color, new, new fallets.
That is, it's something beautiful.
It's like a gift.
That is a gift.
So you're seeing that all the time?
Yes.
Wow.
Yeah.
That's incredible.
Okay.
I want to hear all about your father.
Yeah.
He died 10 years before you had this experience.
Yeah.
As we were talking earlier, you mentioned that you were able to somehow experience his
whole life during this experience.
Yes.
Can you tell me first about, about what kind of person he was and a little, just a very
briefly about his life and then how did you experience it?
Was it some sort of a telepathic thing or how did that work?
What's like not a communication like spirit one, really spiritual communication and not
only his life, but also his private life to understand how he came to the world and to
the life.
And I remember something because it was part of my subconscious, some memories because
they told me many times, my father, my mother, some, some stories about my youngest, my child,
but also my father.
My father was a really brave man, generous man, and he was born from a night of miracle
between a lady and a man that they love each other, but was a little bit before the second
war and in the middle, between the first and the second and most close to the first and
the was 1926, 1926, that was my but the story in the book is that my father was coming from
a, an adultery because the guy was with this lady was married and at that time it was possible
to have this relation because under the fascism was really and he was a card.
There was a, let's say a lieutenant of the name, we got him.
And okay, he got, he committed suicide, this guy, went all that feeling out and my father
went to the orphanage because for his mother, it wasn't possible to take him and keep him.
And he passed these days and growing up in the orphanage, trying to escape them because
he doesn't want to take, he didn't want to stay there.
And there was coming the second war and he engaged the, the naming also.
And he was a young there in the submarine and one day in the submarine, we did the war,
that submarine was beaten by, by the bombs from the acre and the British and the submarine
was already under one hundred meter, they were all dying, but the chef of the submarine
or the crew decided he loved my father, decided to put my father in the, in the chamber of
the torpedo chamber and launching like a missile, like a torpedo out of the, the water.
But he said, at least you can have a chance.
We are dying here and he died, but the, the corn water, really cold in the Mediterranean,
he maintained keeping alive in coma for months.
And he was recovered by a gypsy family that they were around like they do.
He's a big Uber.
They keep the, they took the body and move the body into them.
After months, my father came back, suddenly, and he started taking his life, it's new life.
And his life was really an eventual life going around all the countries from South America
to North America, Europe, traveling alone.
He met my mother in Brazil.
They had the sixth, I am the third one in the middle.
And always my father was loving me and then I loved my father.
Also my mother, but in this case was with my father.
He could mind that my mother, he could mind that my mother died five months before my
father.
And then not there, but after I, I, I thought, but why I didn't see my mother?
I said, maybe because she was not yet there.
Well, I don't know, but I met my father.
He was telling me all of his story to understand really in the deep what I can do for myself
with my energy.
My father was a reiki master.
Reiki is a technique that I think that you can show you know is to, he is capable to
see your people with the end with energy and let me say that I was really skeptical.
But you will, you will understand one day you have more energy than me and then you
will use that energy when you, when there will be the moment.
You told me at least every time I was, you know, living the life the courage way has
he, he showed me all the times, never think you have nothing that can do for me like a
superman.
But in that moment when I was between, he was telling me the story.
And then I understood also my, my early years, what I did believe and what my father showed
me the ways to, to be with others, respect the integrity more away, no matter what you
don't have to give up.
You have many very strong messages.
Let me just clarify, were these messages before he passed away or during your NDE?
Both.
Both, okay.
I, I had in my thoughts, I, I grew up with that, but I was not focusing on that.
Sure.
I had to say that I was not following that for sure I was following because it wasn't
me.
So during your experience, part of what he was communicating to you was all about energy.
All about love and all about the generosity, the open mind, being with others.
And that was something that say, okay, but that I do that.
I know that.
Yes, but you can do more.
And that was the idea of the energy, use the energy to come back.
That was the moment, the intention.
He said, you passed that frontier that I was not there.
You are somewhere in the place that is not yet your place.
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Now back to the interview.
Yeah, at what point during this experience did you realize I'm not staying, I need to
go back?
When I was talking with him, but talking like I repeat spiritually, energy in not like
no leads, they were moving nothing.
In that moment for me was when he said, Fabio, you have energy, use that energy.
And in that moment, something happened.
And what happened was that in after eight minutes, the doctor wanted to try again.
That was the moment when I was talking with that with my father.
In that moment, the doctor was trying to get him to take me back.
I remember really clearly that that light that they had in front of me, all around me, become
yellow and like a team.
And that was the light that the staff of the doctor was pointing me on my eyes and said,
sir, sir, your name, your name.
I said, Fabio.
And in that moment, I was again here.
I am not, I'm not embarrassed to say I was so frustrated in that moment because I was
so peaceful there.
Was so beautiful.
Not that a piece, a place where you said, why I have to move from here?
I stay here.
I wanted to stay with you.
But that was an instant, no?
Because of course, you realize that you lose your family, you lose everything here.
And for sure, I don't want to leave my wife or my kids, my family.
But in that moment, when the light, the wonderful light changed to the white light yellow, like
the flashlight, that was a distant.
Wow.
Kind of a rude awakening just from the beautiful place to the yellow light back in that body.
We'll get to that part and talk about some of your physical recovery.
I want to hear more about what happened during this eight minutes.
Do you remember looking around?
Was there anything else that you saw or experienced in addition to your father there?
I saw his life.
And I was living his life.
I was with my father and I relived with him like 100 years.
His life, his parent life, the story of the love story of his parents.
And my life, I was there and I saw people.
I saw perfectly that I was like in the movie, but was not a movie.
Was something that I was touching was I was there, even if it was not my kind, because
that was decades before me, but I was there with my father and he showed me what I was
able to see.
And then he said, this is where you are coming from.
This is where I have to understand that.
I said, yes.
This is so fascinating to me because a lot of people have what's known as a life review.
You were doing more like your father's life review.
I was through my father's life, looking also at my life at a certain point, but to understand
my life seems that my father has to tell me on the other part on his life.
And I followed him without doubt.
Like I said, I was with him.
And that was really fascinating.
And then I understood very well one thing.
And then it's written in the book that I tried to do my best to explain what happened in
there and is the time.
Let me say something about the time, the variable of time, because when you said, what is time,
what is time, and you said, okay, what is the mean, 60 seconds, okay, okay, what happened
in 60 seconds?
I don't know.
A good football player can sport, something bad can happen, many things, what, I don't
know.
But the minute that I have is different than your minutes, even if it's still a minute,
because the value of the time, what I give to that means.
I can do something in that time, one minute that is taking so much value for me, for you,
it's not the same value.
You have other goals.
You have other goals, and that is the variable really important to understand, because the
value that we give to the time is crucial.
And that is the message that I came back from, said, okay, I have to value my time.
I have that the time is valid.
And that was something that helped me to write the book, because I was for six years, six
years with not telling the stories to nobody, because it was too touch-full to me.
Even if I read now, if I read my book, I still cry.
It's a happy ending story, because I am here, but I am still crying because it's emotional.
I was not able to talk to them, because I don't want to embarrass people, to shock people,
people laughing at me, because I am talking about angels, I am talking about light, something
that they don't want to become, somebody's oldie, he's crazy.
But my wife and the doctor said, Fabio, you had a gift, you have an extra life.
Use that extra life, share your story, because it can help people to understand how can use
the time or how you can use the love, how you can spread hope and healing.
You have to tell him story.
It wasn't must.
Then I was a writer, a journalist, I started writing.
That's it.
That was the big.
Was there anything else that you saw besides your father and his life?
I saw my life with my wife, I saw my kids, I saw everything on my life.
In the book, I was written about my father, because it was so important for me, the message.
I didn't want to have this message from me to others.
The message that I received from my father are the same message that I can say to you.
But in that moment, my father was the maximum message that I can send.
I wanted to share that message.
That's great.
I relived all my life from when I was a young person in Cuba, when Fidel Castro was with
my father, my father was fighting with him because he was a private Italian in Cuba,
when the revolution wanted to have all the properties.
We could do a whole show just on the politics of Cuba, I'm sure.
But I'm not done grilling you on your NDE yet.
I just want to know if there was anything else that you saw or experienced there.
So your father's life review, your life review, lots of white and color, anything else.
I saw the peace, the peaceful place is the maximum in the happiness.
All of us, we are looking for happiness in some way.
But it's like climbing a mountain on a tree where every time you go up and up, you can
find more happiness.
And the happiness that I have seen there was celestial, was living, the immense, we cannot
have time, was not there, was no, all positive things, all the beauty, all in an imaginable,
peaceful, good life.
Describe the love that you felt.
There or now?
There.
There is no truth, totally without prejudice, this is the thing that I learned there alone,
is no prejudice, no, no, I didn't have before, but more.
You don't have to live, you have to be really open, the love with each other.
You don't know nobody.
But for example, it's not in the book, but my father showed me when I was young, I used
to smile a lot with people, and my father said, told me, you remember that smile you gave
that guy?
No, I don't remember.
I was smiling at a guy that was coming to me like desperate, like going out, you know,
and after my smile, I didn't care about that time and that for sure I was not remembered
that.
But there, my father was showing me what happened to that guy when he smiled, he said, look
at his face, and I smiled to him, and I saw that smile, and I saw the guy was opening
this energy.
And I said, Fabio, when you smile to someone, easy law, this energy, and you share energy,
you give so much energy just this smile that you cannot imagine.
And that is part of the love.
That also seems to be kind of a common denominator on life reviews, is that people experience
how their actions affected other people.
Yes, yes.
Was there any more of that that you can remember?
Yes, I remember all of my life.
And also, because in the book, I focused on my father and that submarine, I saw how people
react on the others and how some, like this cook that put my father in a chamber to the
torpedo, what was changing since that.
He was a hero, an angel, or what?
Or both, angel and hero, to protect him.
And we don't know maybe when we do easily things like a smile, we cannot imagine how
it can affect others.
On the contrary, how you can affect someone with not smiling, but with a bad face.
But in that there was not that face.
You know, there was only smiles, only nice things.
And another thing that I was able to identify there, and that changed a lot my life, that
I can explain this way.
All of us, we have in front of us extraordinary things that for us, we don't care because
they are always in front of me.
No, you have on your back, for example, that nice shipwheel, that one is a beautiful one.
You can say, okay, there are many others like that.
No, that is an extraordinary piece of art.
Someone a genius made that for you.
What doesn't mean that you can go where you want.
What is the real meaning of that?
And then you can identify, you can start thinking of the ordinary like extraordinary.
And that's what I do now as an artist.
I look at the view as sunset.
I can have that sunset every day, but every one of them is not ordinary, is extraordinary,
is amazing.
And then if you try to give the right value of the things, you change a lot your life.
That's a great message.
Just to be grateful.
Thank you.
And I am trying to do something out of steam.
I hope my words and my art can help you understand this.
Absolutely.
And we appreciate it.
I have to ask you a hard question.
And this is not in any accusatory way at all or anything, but people are going to hear
that you're about your father being shot out of a torpedo tube a hundred meters down.
And they're going to say there is no way that somebody can live through that.
No way.
Do you have any explanation?
Yes, I have an explanation about that.
And then it's the water.
It's the cold.
It's called hypotermia.
I made a lot of research about that before writing because when I was there, I was seeing
this, but when I was writing the film, I wanted to have something all sustainable from research
or something, and I did research on that period.
I did research of military weapons, and I did a lot of research, like two years of researching
as a journalist also, because I used to do research for investigation for what happened.
And then I found many others.
My father was not the only one during that.
That was, I find out that was, I don't want to say a method, but was a way to try to escape
from a submarine that was going down without chance to survive.
The thing that if you have to imagine that a submarine at that period was no longer that
this room, and they are leaving 47 people on that submarine, wait, five.
Even imagine 47 people like ants in a refuist of ants, they stay there close.
I cannot believe that.
I cannot even imagine that, but they were leaving there.
And my father was 16, 17, at that time, if he was 18 years old, he was really skinny,
younger, the younger of the blue.
And the words that the cook said, try to save yourself, at least you have a chance.
And then he researched, and that happened other times, and all people died, all of them.
Yeah, and I saw a film a while back, I can't think of the name of it right now, of someone
in a similar situation was shot out of a torpedo tube.
He did live, but blasted out his ears.
He lost his hearing.
Was your father's hearing okay?
He was okay.
He was just fine.
That's fine.
And that was all, I don't know if it's the good term in English, but it was in Italian
terms, it's Pippo-Termian.
Yeah, it's under the medical, I don't know how it's made it called, sorry about that.
But it's like when you are going down some kind of level of temperature.
Yeah, and air pressure as well with your ears.
You are dead, but you are alive inside because you are frozen.
Yeah, because the water, especially that deep is very, very cold.
So cold.
Yeah, that is amazing.
I did research for that because I said, that story has to be sustainable.
And it was.
Okay.
Well, I've tried to exhaust everything that you can remember from your NDE.
What was it like coming back?
How long did it take you to get better, you know, physically?
They put a stint in, you mentioned, and then how long were you in the hospital?
One day and after that.
That's it.
It's ending cold.
Yes, one day.
I said, you're fine.
You had a number of miracles happen.
I said, I know that.
I am really not.
Yeah, I know that.
I'm so grateful.
I am a water miracle.
I know that.
Fabio the miracle.
I need my life, like the life in Cigar.
Before we finish up, and this is not the topic of the podcast, but I'm so curious about
more of your background and how you were raised.
And part of it is because you mentioned going to school in Florence must have affected your
artwork someday.
You weren't an artist back then, but you are now.
And for those that have visited Florence, tell us about the famous artwork in Florence.
I'm a huge fan of Michelangelo, by the way.
You have Michelangelo.
You have all of them.
You go to the Fizzi.
One of the best museums in the world.
You can find expressions that are so amazing and unbelievable.
And I will tell you that when I was young and I was in Florence, I visited many times
that museum.
And then even if I was an engineer, but what happened was that I was able to understand
how to use the ease as an engineer, the pains.
And what you are able to do with a pen is unbelievable.
And you cannot imagine what you can do with a pen, just a pen, not a brush, not ink, nothing.
And he was an amazing painter.
But I read something, a quote from him saying, really, he was a sculptor.
He preferred being a sculptor.
He was kind of forced to paint, and he was the Sistine Chapel and everything.
It's incredible.
He was forced to paint that.
He was like a slave, no moving.
No moving.
You can imagine like that.
He's painting all the time and makes these.
But for people that haven't been to Florence and seen the David statue, it is literally
bigger than life.
Yes.
It's something that you can see for perfection.
But there are other great sculptures that we'll be in, like for example, I love Antonio
Canova, the perfection of his movement.
And they are trying, and I think, to replicate what they had inside.
And that is more or less the same that they've seen there, is how you can replicate something
so beautiful, like the human body.
I'm so disturbed, I don't want to do recordings, but I'm disturbed by it.
You said, I have to cover that, or I have to do that.
There is nothing better.
There is the human body, it's science, it's art.
Well, and speaking of that, I think some people might be uncomfortable with the fact
that you said, when you were in the spirit world, you did not have clothes, but I think
you said you didn't feel naked either.
Explain that.
Explain that is easy, because I would not say I was not with my shirt.
When it happened that, I was in the tennis clothes, no?
The shirt, short pants, and sneakers, and no, tennis shoes.
I was there, and how I am not like that, in there.
I was not dressed, but I was not naked.
I was feeling, I was tenured.
And then how can I imagine what I said?
I don't know, dress it in some way, but I was not taking, I was white, I was taking
colors like this, no?
That white that I have seen there was composed by many colors.
I understand what you said.
I hope that nobody is offended, but I was not naked, but I cannot say I was dressed,
because if I said I was dressed, and you said, ah.
I might say, what were you wearing?
Did you die?
So tennis clothes or what?
No, I was white.
I was, I was evidence.
I was feeling.
Do you remember speaking of spirit and energy, was there any physical contact with your father
and embrace or anything like that?
Nothing like we can use to feel like body with another body, but totally energy.
That is the meaning.
And that was so, so much great and higher than a hard body with both the energy is inmates.
And you feel, you feel that you feel his mind, he feel your, his, his energy.
But when I stand out of this, the first thing that I wanted to do for me is that the body
was not there.
My body was no more.
It's like a machine and a unit stop.
It was not working.
I was leaving my body and leaving the energy that I have inside.
Did you miss your body?
In that moment, not at all.
I was not thinking of men.
All right, two more quick questions.
I love to ask people, do you now have any fear of death?
I cannot trust you.
I don't have no fear about that because I saw a beautiful is there, but I am terrified
to die.
Why?
Because I am here as a human.
And then I can see, I cannot imagine it.
I don't want to see what can happen to my family, my friends, my business, something
because I am here.
And then I am terrified.
So if I think on that, but, and that is something that my doctor said, you can have someone
to relieve because to have peace because everybody can cry because they are missing,
they are lost, but they can cry because they are lost.
But don't cry for them because they are in a really peaceful place.
And that's the idea.
I know how beautiful it is.
I would like to say, how can you have fear about a wonderful place?
You are scared about leaving someone here.
That's yes, because you know all the things because we are building peace of art, communication,
papers, podcasts, we are building what we wanted to do in this world.
But when we are there, we have, we have only energy that is not only useful and we leave
all of this stuff.
We leave our Mercedes or our house or we leave them here.
We don't need that.
Call of God.
I'm sure we don't care about that stuff.
Neither do we care about the people, the people obviously we do.
Okay, what is one last message that you would like to leave with our listeners?
Okay, the message is, no matter, never give up and love and God needs to be.
All right, Fabio, thanks a ton.
Thank you so much.
Thank you for listening.
And remember to check out the What Really Happens After We Die Master class at roundtriptest.com
or the link in our show notes.
Until then, I wish you everything good that you're looking for in this life and the next.