1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:08,480 From the time that they pronounced me deaf was a good 45 minutes. 2 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:13,440 They cut my clothes and then they paddled my heart, my heart had stopped. 3 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:18,120 And I could see people screaming and crying, but I didn't realize that was actually my 4 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:21,320 physical body because I was somewhere else. 5 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:27,400 The only thing that I could feel, if you could imagine, absolute love and peace, there wasn't 6 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:29,400 anything else to be felt. 7 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:32,560 I was greeted by people I'd known in the past. 8 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:34,240 I'm back home again. 9 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:38,840 Incredibly safe and felt at home. 10 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:44,080 Welcome to Round Trip Deaths, everybody, and welcome to our very special guest in Florida, 11 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:47,000 in the U.S., Mary Grace Polnastic. 12 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:48,000 Good morning. 13 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:49,000 Good morning. 14 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:50,160 How are you, Eric? 15 00:00:50,160 --> 00:00:51,160 I'm great. 16 00:00:51,160 --> 00:00:52,160 How are you? 17 00:00:52,160 --> 00:00:53,160 I'm doing well. 18 00:00:53,160 --> 00:00:54,160 Thank you. 19 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:58,240 It's actually really nice and we had a cold front here, so yay. 20 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:00,000 It feels like fall, actually. 21 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:03,520 Okay, how cold is fall in Florida? 22 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:08,400 I want to say 75 to 68 degrees, depending. 23 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:09,400 For the high? 24 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:10,400 Yeah. 25 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:11,760 That is Fahrenheit. 26 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:13,880 That is not bad. 27 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:18,360 And you told me earlier, one of your emails, how nervous you are. 28 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:20,440 Please don't be nervous. 29 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:22,520 Oh, breathing. 30 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:27,840 For our listeners, Mary Grace has not shared her story publicly before. 31 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:29,840 She's told a few loved ones. 32 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:31,320 And so this is going to be her first time. 33 00:01:31,320 --> 00:01:38,000 So we're all going to give Grace to Mary Grace and hope that you can relax and we can just 34 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:40,520 have a nice chat this morning. 35 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:43,960 Before we do, would you mind telling us a little bit about you? 36 00:01:43,960 --> 00:01:44,960 Sure. 37 00:01:44,960 --> 00:01:47,680 Like you said, I live in the lovely Florida. 38 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:49,400 It's really nice outside right now. 39 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:54,040 I'm married, been married for this next December. 40 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:55,760 We'll be 12 years. 41 00:01:55,760 --> 00:02:00,160 And I have two lovely children, very beautiful, smart kids. 42 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:04,800 One is in Odyssey of the Mind, which is an amazing program. 43 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:06,760 And then the other one is in the Gifted Program. 44 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:09,000 So very proud of them for that. 45 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:10,480 I'm a stay-at-home mom. 46 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:17,920 I'm an avid reader, so I like to read all things consciousness, metaphysics, physics, 47 00:02:17,920 --> 00:02:22,000 anything I can get my hands on. 48 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:28,720 I love to meditate, I meditate daily, which I think has helped me in the long run with 49 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:34,320 all my myriad of traumas and symptoms from said traumas. 50 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:36,600 And I love k-dramas. 51 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:37,600 Okay. 52 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:38,600 That's sweet. 53 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:39,600 All right. 54 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:47,120 Mary Grace, tell me where you grew up and what led up to your near-death experience? 55 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:48,120 Sure. 56 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:53,640 So, like I said, I was a, I don't think they call military brat any more military child. 57 00:02:53,640 --> 00:02:57,720 I don't know the proper political wording for it. 58 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:02,000 But I grew up in the Philippines until I was seven. 59 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:03,000 We moved around a lot. 60 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:07,920 So from Philippines to Guam, from Guam to Florida for a few months, and then to Hawaii 61 00:03:07,920 --> 00:03:10,960 and then back to Florida where I stayed. 62 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:19,080 In the Philippines, I didn't feel like I belonged because, you know, being half American, half 63 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:24,160 Filipino, it's not really embraced in the community. 64 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:25,160 So... 65 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:26,960 Can you explain that real quick? 66 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:30,600 Do you mind just giving us the family background on that? 67 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:31,600 Sure. 68 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:32,600 Okay. 69 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:39,000 So my mom is a what do you call a hospitality girl that worked in the Naval base, which 70 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:43,560 mostly entertained like Navy personnel. 71 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:45,200 And so that's what she did. 72 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:48,280 And I, she met my dad and got pregnant with me. 73 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:52,360 And I guess ruined her career for a moment. 74 00:03:52,360 --> 00:04:00,040 I know she told me this, that she tried to get rid of me, but I guess that was unsuccessful. 75 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:01,280 She gave birth to me. 76 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:06,920 And then my grandparents ultimately started taking care of me for most of my childhood. 77 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:08,720 She was in and out of my life. 78 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:11,240 For most of my childhood. 79 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:14,840 And I was just kept inside for a lot. 80 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:18,240 I didn't have any friends because I was fair skinned. 81 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:21,640 So they didn't want me to, I guess, to get burned or whatnot. 82 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:24,520 Well, you didn't look like the other kids. 83 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:26,280 So you were kind of shunned in other words. 84 00:04:26,280 --> 00:04:27,280 Right. 85 00:04:27,280 --> 00:04:28,280 Correct. 86 00:04:28,280 --> 00:04:29,280 Yeah. 87 00:04:29,280 --> 00:04:30,280 Sorry about that. 88 00:04:30,280 --> 00:04:31,960 That must be really hard when you're just a young child. 89 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:32,960 It really was. 90 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:39,680 Because I would see kids out the window playing and I'm just trying to entertain myself. 91 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:42,000 And I didn't have very many toys or anything. 92 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:47,760 So I just, I played with what I could like deodorize. 93 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:50,200 Something I could find. 94 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:57,520 But when my mom was in and out of my life, when she was home, I just remember her constantly 95 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:05,400 yelling at me for, God knows what, or spanking me with slippers, wet slippers at that. 96 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:07,640 So I was, I never made her happy. 97 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:10,600 And I just felt like I was just there taking up space. 98 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:16,320 I wasn't, I didn't feel really loved or accepted by my family. 99 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:18,720 And then how old were you when you got real sick? 100 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:21,120 I was about five years old. 101 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:27,360 I got really sick with a high fever, which even though they were Catholic, they were 102 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:34,040 still, they still believed in, um, outworldly, like supernatural possessions and whatnot, 103 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:38,960 which Catholics, I believe in possessions, but they believed in like fairies and gnomes 104 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:40,800 and stuff like that. 105 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:47,600 So I was sick with a high fever and they didn't take me to the doctors because I, as I spoke 106 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:54,880 with my mom yesterday, when they feel like you're possessed, um, they didn't take you 107 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:55,880 to the doctor. 108 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:57,520 So hang on, hang on. 109 00:05:57,520 --> 00:05:58,680 They didn't think you were sick. 110 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:00,080 They thought you were possessed. 111 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:01,080 Yes, sir. 112 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:02,080 Yeah. 113 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:03,080 Why? 114 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:04,400 What were the symptoms? 115 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:07,600 I guess I was like, uh, convulsing a little bit. 116 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:14,040 And then of course, when I was on the brink of death, um, I heard children laughing in 117 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:15,720 the background. 118 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:24,920 So I remember going outside and, um, in my mind, I was playing with these really bright 119 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:32,160 children, you know, they were these kids, but they had these very like golden aura around 120 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:33,160 them. 121 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:37,920 But I guess in my mother and my grandmother's perspective, I just looked like I was trying 122 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:40,320 to catch bugs or something. 123 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:41,320 Okay. 124 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:45,160 So they thought, I just want to make sure we're clear kind of step by step here. 125 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:49,000 Well, they thought you were possessed so that they didn't take you to a doctor. 126 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:50,000 Yes, sir. 127 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:54,040 I'm so sorry to hear all of this, by the way, it sounds really traumatic. 128 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:58,320 And you had a real high fever, which could explain some of this. 129 00:06:58,320 --> 00:06:59,320 Yes, sir. 130 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:00,320 Okay. 131 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:07,080 And then you're in bed and is there a point where you remember starting to see things and 132 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:11,680 were you hallucinating or were you leaving your body and going somewhere? 133 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:19,000 I remember, um, I might have been hallucinating, um, but auditorially, I just remember the 134 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:25,320 children laughing and I wanted to go to them, so I did get up from the bed physically to 135 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:26,320 go outside. 136 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:30,480 It wasn't, um, my actual body or my spirit or anything. 137 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:35,640 I did get up physically to go outside to play with these children's children that I was 138 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:37,140 hearing. 139 00:07:37,140 --> 00:07:42,680 And so like I said, I was trying to play tag with them, but in my mind's eye, I was playing 140 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:43,680 with them. 141 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:48,680 Um, I get it could have been hallucination, but in their, in their perspective, it looked 142 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:53,560 like I was just trying to catch bugs and playing with bugs or something like that. 143 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:54,560 Okay. 144 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:55,560 Thank you. 145 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:56,560 Keep going. 146 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:59,760 You know, like I said, in my mind's eye, I was playing with them and then all of a sudden 147 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:04,240 I just, it turned black, like blackness. 148 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:08,280 I guess I fell to the ground outside. 149 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:16,280 In my perspective, I was out of my body in this blackness and I felt just really light. 150 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:23,280 It wasn't hard to breathe anymore and you know, I was weightless and I was in no pain 151 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:28,800 and it was just really, really dark and I was just, I guess suspended animation would 152 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:30,040 be the word for it. 153 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:37,640 I just felt like in this vast blackness void sort of speak, it was just me. 154 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:41,920 And then all of a sudden I hear like a calling. 155 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:48,800 I felt it in my body and then I looked to my side and I seen this light. 156 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:53,960 It was very faint at first and then it kept getting closer and closer and closer and engulfed 157 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:54,960 me. 158 00:08:54,960 --> 00:09:02,800 Then when I opened my eyes again, I was greeted with this being, but it didn't really, he 159 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:04,360 didn't really have a face or anything. 160 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:08,760 I just felt a male energy and he didn't really have a form. 161 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:16,400 It was just like a very bright B and he welcomed me. 162 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:21,760 He was like, welcome and then I just felt sorry. 163 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:24,200 That's okay. 164 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:29,640 I know it's difficult to relive and this is the beautiful part too. 165 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:33,120 I just felt like this. 166 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:34,120 I'm sorry. 167 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:39,560 It is overwhelming love and peace that I've never felt before. 168 00:09:39,560 --> 00:09:49,320 I've always felt like I was just there and a burden and I just, I just felt it and I, 169 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:53,680 my little me, my inner child or whatever, I was crying as well. 170 00:09:53,680 --> 00:09:54,880 I don't know why I was crying. 171 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:56,400 I'm like, why am I crying? 172 00:09:56,400 --> 00:10:05,240 But it was just this overwhelming feeling around my body that I just couldn't ignore and it 173 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:07,440 was so beautiful. 174 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:11,600 In addition to this wonderful feeling, were you seeing anything at this point? 175 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:13,040 You just said it was beautiful. 176 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:14,680 Did you see something? 177 00:10:14,680 --> 00:10:15,680 I did. 178 00:10:15,680 --> 00:10:20,120 It was like a library of some sort. 179 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:26,280 The gentleman was next to me and then there were other beings like gathered around a table 180 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:30,480 and they were reading, look like they were reading books or something. 181 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:39,040 But they said hello to me and you can just tell that they were at peace and loving. 182 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:41,680 At this point, I still didn't know where I was. 183 00:10:41,680 --> 00:10:51,720 I was all sorts of confused and then Miss Bing told me to follow him and I didn't really 184 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:52,720 question it. 185 00:10:52,720 --> 00:11:00,200 I didn't ask any questions because at five years old, I mean, it was a lot to take in. 186 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:07,280 So I followed him into this room and he pulled up a, you know, we pulled up a chair on this 187 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:11,280 table and he told me to sit down, which I did. 188 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:16,560 And he sat right next to me and in front of us was a wall. 189 00:11:16,560 --> 00:11:21,320 And then he did this like little motion thing and it turned into a screen and he told me 190 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:24,600 he wanted to show me something. 191 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:32,800 You know, it was like a movie playing and it was earth and where my body was lying. 192 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:37,800 I guess it was trying to show me or make me understand that my soul was separate from 193 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:39,640 my body at that point. 194 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:44,360 But I didn't recognize myself, you know, but I just recognized my little love holding me. 195 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:47,880 She was like rocking me back and forth, scared and worried. 196 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:52,720 Like I've never seen this reaction from her before. 197 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:58,040 And you know, it's like, well, that's my Lola, I guess that's me. 198 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:02,880 Lola is, I'm sorry for, is the Filipino word for grandmother. 199 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:06,160 He was just trying to calm me down. 200 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:08,520 And I said, am I dead? 201 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:10,720 And he said, yes. 202 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:13,800 And I said, I don't feel dead. 203 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:15,680 And I said, how did I die? 204 00:12:15,680 --> 00:12:17,400 Because I don't feel like I'm dead. 205 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:18,960 I feel better than I did. 206 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:23,880 And he just laughs and, you know, he told me that my body got too hot. 207 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:25,960 That's how I died. 208 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:35,200 And so I remember seeing from the screen, my mother was to my grandmother's left. 209 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:36,840 And then there was two shaman ladies. 210 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:38,960 Again, like I said, they thought I was possessed. 211 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:45,920 So they hired faith healers to come and get rid of whatever was possessing me. 212 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:48,560 I remember seeing a lot of smoke. 213 00:12:48,560 --> 00:12:51,640 Sounds like they have your body back in the house at this point. 214 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:52,160 Yes, sir. 215 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:53,000 Yes, sorry. 216 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:53,800 Yeah. 217 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:56,240 And your grandmother's rocking you. 218 00:12:56,240 --> 00:13:02,720 You know, one thing that I find really interesting here is it's unusual for you 219 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:07,720 to be seeing what's going on with your body from a screen. 220 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:12,240 I hear lots of people talking about, well, like in a hospital room, 221 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:15,520 they're up in the corner near the ceiling looking down. 222 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:16,120 Right. 223 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:20,240 Or later they're looking at a screen, but that's a life review. 224 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:20,880 Right. 225 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:24,720 And but you're seeing what's actually happening at that point on the screen. 226 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:25,200 That's cool. 227 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:26,720 That's interesting. 228 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:26,920 Yeah. 229 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:29,040 And it wasn't like a regular screen or anything. 230 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:32,240 It looked like it was just a white wall and it was hollowed out. 231 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:33,800 And that's what I was seeing. 232 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:39,240 Like it played out on earth while I was, you know, where I was. 233 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:44,800 And and he told me, unfortunately, it's not your time yet. 234 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:46,000 You have to go back. 235 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:47,000 And I'm like, what do you mean? 236 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:47,800 Go back. 237 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:48,880 I don't want to. 238 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:50,440 Sorry. 239 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:55,200 I didn't want to go back because I told him, I'm like, I'm not loved there. 240 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:57,280 I don't feel this feeling there. 241 00:13:57,280 --> 00:14:00,520 You know, I, my mom's always mad at me. 242 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:02,640 I know she doesn't want me. 243 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:04,400 She's always mad at me and hitting me. 244 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:06,480 And I just want to stay here. 245 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:09,000 And he's like, you can't stay here. 246 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:15,880 And like a five year old, I was crying and throwing a tantrum, you know, 247 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:18,240 because I really didn't want to go back. 248 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:21,760 But he told me I needed to go back. 249 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:24,400 And I kept asking why, why. 250 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:26,600 And he told me because of love. 251 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:28,240 And I was like, what love? 252 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:29,400 I feel like here. 253 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:31,480 I don't feel that there. 254 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:35,160 Again, he showed me the screen. 255 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:38,240 I know like life review shows you your past doing so and whatnot. 256 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:45,680 But to me, what he showed me was my future and my children and then who's, you know, 257 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:47,000 to be my husband. 258 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:53,760 And he told me, I know your life is going to be really hard. 259 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:56,080 And you're going to go through a lot. 260 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:58,920 Sorry. 261 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:01,720 But you will be happy eventually. 262 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:07,800 And your children need to be born because they're going to show you. 263 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:13,840 What unconditional love is in this plane so that way you know. 264 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:18,600 And I was like, still crying because at five years old, you're going to tell, 265 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:23,400 I know that it's like, can't comprehend that. 266 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:30,200 And then, and then with great reluctance, I finally said, okay, 267 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:37,480 if I meant to be there and I'm not meant to be here yet, okay, I'll go back if that's 268 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:39,800 what I need to do. 269 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:45,320 And it wasn't like any judgment or pushy pushing us from his voice. 270 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:52,960 It was, there was like great compassion and love from what I remember. 271 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:58,720 He gave me a choice, but he said that in order for me to learn what unconditional love was, 272 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:00,120 I needed to go back. 273 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:04,600 Isn't that interesting that even then you actually had a choice. 274 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:08,960 He told you you needed to do it, but he didn't force you to go back. 275 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:14,320 I love the fact that there is this, this agency, this free to choose. 276 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:15,320 Yeah. 277 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:17,760 Everything in that spiritual realm. 278 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:18,760 Yeah. 279 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:23,160 It was, like I said, he wasn't like demanding or forceful. 280 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:24,920 It was with great compassion. 281 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:32,960 And I think he thought showing me my future and me being happy in it eventually will push 282 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:35,720 me where I get. 283 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:43,480 And then when I agreed, he showed me the screen again and we're back to me and the Philippines. 284 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:46,320 And then I remembered the shamans. 285 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:52,760 They put like a candle in a spoon and there was a bowl with the cold water underneath 286 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:59,680 the spoon and they pour the candle into the bowl, the cold water and it formed like a 287 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:04,000 face thing, like a face of a candle. 288 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:09,440 And the shamans or faith healers, I'm sorry, they're called faith healers told my Lola 289 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:14,120 that I needed to place the candle underneath the pillow. 290 00:17:14,120 --> 00:17:17,680 And if it broke, then I would be fine. 291 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:24,400 And if it didn't, then whoever had possessed me has taken over completely and I was gone 292 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:25,900 forever. 293 00:17:25,900 --> 00:17:31,320 But I was laughing because I was seeing it from the screen and I'm like, I know where 294 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:32,320 I'm at. 295 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:33,320 I'm not possessed. 296 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:36,320 I know where I'm at. 297 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:39,400 And she did exactly that. 298 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:43,120 And then he turns and tells me, okay, it's time. 299 00:17:43,120 --> 00:17:45,600 It's time for you to go back. 300 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:48,880 And I didn't feel the pool like everybody else did. 301 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:57,080 I just remember blackness again and then waking up and I was fine. 302 00:17:57,080 --> 00:18:02,760 And I guess the face broke and they thought the, you know, the possession was over. 303 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:09,120 They told my grandmother it was a old white, like an older white lady with really long 304 00:18:09,120 --> 00:18:14,000 black hair who had evil intent that had a hold of me. 305 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:15,160 That's what they told her. 306 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:22,040 Now, when you say you felt fine at that point, does that mean you were well or you just weren't 307 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:23,040 dead? 308 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:26,000 You just, sorry to laugh, or you just weren't dead anymore. 309 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:29,040 Did you still have a high fever? 310 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:31,040 What do you mean by that? 311 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:33,040 Yeah, I was fine. 312 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:36,480 You know, my body wasn't achy anymore. 313 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:40,560 It didn't hurt to breathe and my mind wasn't foggy. 314 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:46,560 So I just felt like, like waking up from a sleep. 315 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:47,560 How interesting. 316 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:48,560 Okay. 317 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:49,960 Do you remember what happened next? 318 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:50,960 Yeah. 319 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:55,840 So after that, I told my grandmother, because I was really, really excited to tell her about 320 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:59,120 all this experience and everything. 321 00:18:59,120 --> 00:19:03,040 And she just said, you know, oh yeah, the shamans did their work. 322 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:04,200 The shamans did their work. 323 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:05,920 The lady had a hold of you. 324 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:11,560 And so she didn't really believe that I went to the other side. 325 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:12,560 That was that. 326 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:15,240 And a lot of interesting things happened afterwards. 327 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:16,760 Tell me some of those. 328 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:17,760 Sure. 329 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:25,280 Since I was so open or had high frequency from what happened coming back, I remember we were 330 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:26,760 stuck in traffic. 331 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:30,200 A traffic in the Philippines is horrible. 332 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:36,680 I stuck a straw up in the air and I was like, because my mom was getting frustrated being, 333 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:38,600 you know, in the same place for a long time. 334 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:39,920 So I stuck a straw in the air. 335 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:45,160 I guess trying to amplify my thought or something in my five year old mind. 336 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:49,760 And I was like, please, please, can you please let us get home soon? 337 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:54,480 And then after that, like all the lights that we hit were green. 338 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:56,960 We didn't even hit a single red light after that. 339 00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:58,840 It was crazy. 340 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:03,040 I remember going to the mall with my mom and wanting a toy. 341 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:07,440 And we went up the escalator and she said we didn't have any money. 342 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:10,760 And after we got up to the escalator, I found like a stack of cash. 343 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:16,360 I was like, wow, now I have enough money to buy a toy. 344 00:20:16,360 --> 00:20:18,800 You know, that was really, really neat. 345 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:26,360 When we were moving from Philippines to Guam, when I was around seven, I remember the plane 346 00:20:26,360 --> 00:20:27,860 ride was so turbulent. 347 00:20:27,860 --> 00:20:32,560 I was going up, down, up, down, like the lights were going on and off, on and off. 348 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:34,000 And I was really scared. 349 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:41,440 You know, sitting next to my mom and I grabbed the armrests next to me and I was, please stop, 350 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:44,000 please stop, please stop. 351 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:48,200 And then all of a sudden it like just was cleared again. 352 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:54,800 And I didn't know if it was me or it was just coincidence or whatnot, but it was really, 353 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:55,800 really neat. 354 00:20:55,800 --> 00:21:01,560 And over the years, you've had some other spiritual and out of body experiences. 355 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:07,640 But as long as we're talking about things that you have affected, you had told me in 356 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:11,920 our pre-interview about your husband's Xbox. 357 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:12,920 Yes. 358 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:16,560 Tell everybody what happened with that. 359 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:23,760 So after one of my more intense meditations, all of a sudden like the Xbox, you know, 360 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:29,160 I was sitting on the couch with my kids and there was no controller right next to us and 361 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:36,960 my husband was at the table and the Xbox turns on and then, you know, he couldn't turn it 362 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:38,760 off because he was like, why is it on? 363 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:40,720 And he was like, I don't, I'm sorry. 364 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:44,600 I think I might have turned it on and he couldn't turn it off. 365 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:45,800 He couldn't turn it off. 366 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:50,960 So he had to turn the switch off or the search protector off. 367 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:55,520 And when he turned it back on, it wouldn't turn on after that. 368 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:56,520 I feel that. 369 00:21:56,520 --> 00:22:02,120 I mean, I turned, I have turned on his Xbox like unwillingly off and on for a while, 370 00:22:02,120 --> 00:22:06,400 but I guess that was the last time it wanted to do that. 371 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:08,200 So you actually killed it. 372 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:09,200 Oh man. 373 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:10,700 He was heartbroken. 374 00:22:10,700 --> 00:22:17,320 He wasn't upset so much as heartbroken because he, you know, I really can't control it. 375 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:22,000 Like me breaking four Android phones before the sales guy was like, you know what, try 376 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:23,000 an Apple. 377 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:24,000 Okay. 378 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:25,840 Wait, wait, wait, wait. 379 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:27,320 What happened exactly with that? 380 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:28,840 You go cell phone shopping. 381 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:29,840 Yes, sir. 382 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:31,360 We go, oh yes, sir. 383 00:22:31,360 --> 00:22:39,440 We go cell phone shopping and we were getting the new latest Samsung Galaxy phone. 384 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:40,840 Quick pause here. 385 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:46,600 This podcast is a labor of love produced by me and my son, Will, who's a university student. 386 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:51,160 The show is completely free for you, but today I'd like to ask a little favor. 387 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:54,160 We want to keep growing and you are the key. 388 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:59,200 If you'd take just a couple of seconds right now to hit the follow or subscribe button, 389 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:01,680 then hit the share button to send it to a friend. 390 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:04,320 We would really appreciate it. 391 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:07,280 Now back to our guest. 392 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:08,280 And I was particular. 393 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:14,040 I wanted a white one and the sales guy showed me, you know, was ready to purchase a white 394 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:15,640 one and it broke. 395 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:16,640 And he was like, that's weird. 396 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:18,720 I've never seen this happen before. 397 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:24,000 And he did that about three more times each time with me touching it, but like for just 398 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:25,560 a few seconds. 399 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:27,720 And he was like, I don't know. 400 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:30,360 Why don't you try an iPhone? 401 00:23:30,360 --> 00:23:34,040 Cause obviously Samsung's are not agreeing with you. 402 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:37,560 You broke four galaxies in the space of a couple of minutes. 403 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:38,560 Yes, sir. 404 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:39,560 Wow. 405 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:41,880 Glad you didn't get the bill for that. 406 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:43,200 No, no, no. 407 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:44,200 I mean. 408 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:45,800 I don't have phones you don't have a problem with. 409 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:47,520 No, well, I don't know. 410 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:52,320 The other night when my husband and I were sitting down, I was looking through one of 411 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:57,120 his apps or something and then all of a sudden his phone did something freaky. 412 00:23:57,120 --> 00:24:00,240 One of the apps started glitching and he's like, what's going on? 413 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:01,240 I've never seen it do that. 414 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:02,240 I'm like, I'm sorry. 415 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:03,560 I just was like clicking through it. 416 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:04,560 I don't know. 417 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:10,400 Well, and we're actually recording over your iPhone today. 418 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:12,400 Oh, it's working. 419 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:15,840 Of course, I'll let everybody know you're not touching it. 420 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:17,840 No, just in case. 421 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:20,400 I don't want to, but I haven't had an issue with this one. 422 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:22,520 So we're good. 423 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:26,440 I try not to do as many devices. 424 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:31,960 My daughter just got an Oculus and I'm afraid to mess with that on her behalf. 425 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:32,960 All right. 426 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:35,320 Let's, let's go back to your childhood again. 427 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:40,840 Is there anything else that you want to fill us in on before an outer body experience that 428 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:41,840 you had? 429 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:42,840 Yeah. 430 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:49,560 So again, like I said, I grew up with a myriad of traumas with my mom, like constantly verbally 431 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:53,400 and physically abusing me. 432 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:57,800 When we were in Guam after that experience, actually she barely touched me. 433 00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:03,680 So I think she in her heart, she believed what happened and she, I guess was afraid of what 434 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:07,200 would happen to her if, so, you know, she did something. 435 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:15,880 But when we went to Florida, my father's stepdad abused me sexually. 436 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:21,360 So I'm sorry. 437 00:25:21,360 --> 00:25:23,680 I begged my parents originally. 438 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:28,760 They were, it was just supposed to be my parents and my, my mom or my mom and my dad supposed 439 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:30,880 to go to Hawaii by themselves. 440 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:34,960 So without me, and I was supposed to stay with my grandmother and him. 441 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:36,280 And I begged them. 442 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:38,680 I'm like, please, please, please let me go with you. 443 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:43,280 I didn't want to tell them the reason because I was told not to because it was my fault. 444 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:48,280 I was meant to feel ashamed for what had happened. 445 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:54,520 And you know, reluctantly, they agreed to take me with them. 446 00:25:54,520 --> 00:26:01,920 And Hawaii, it was really nice because there were other half children like myself. 447 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:09,520 But this time my dad was working at night at Pearl Farber and my mom wanted to go out partying 448 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,760 with and doing other things with her friends. 449 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:16,120 So I was by myself at night most of the time. 450 00:26:16,120 --> 00:26:17,560 So that was not very pleasant. 451 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:22,760 I remember wanting to go over my friend's house all the time to spend the night. 452 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:29,040 Unfortunately, one time her parents had called the cops because I couldn't get into my house. 453 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:35,200 I forgot the key inside the house and my mom wasn't answering her phone. 454 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,120 And my dad was working. 455 00:26:37,120 --> 00:26:42,040 So they had to call the cops and the cops called my dad to let me inside the house and stuff. 456 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:43,520 So rough growing up. 457 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:45,640 It didn't just change and get all better. 458 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:46,640 No. 459 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:48,800 After your experience at age five. 460 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:49,800 Okay. 461 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:52,040 Yeah, but I knew that this would happen. 462 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:58,320 So eventually my parents ended up getting a divorce and my mom didn't really want me 463 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:01,680 living with her and her new boyfriend. 464 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:06,680 And my dad was getting deployed to Diego Garcia at the time. 465 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:13,880 So I told them that I would go there to save their feeling or I thought I would be saving 466 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:14,880 their feeling. 467 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:20,000 But really I had no choice but to go back to my grandmother and the abuser. 468 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:24,360 And so when she wasn't around and stuff, it would happen more. 469 00:27:24,360 --> 00:27:28,880 And it was just really rough. 470 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:34,400 But in middle school, I had this really great friend in sixth grade who I loved and cherished 471 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,280 as a sister. 472 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:40,800 And I would constantly go to her house to try to escape from everything. 473 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:45,480 And at one point when my grandmother was taking me to her house, all of a sudden she developed 474 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,280 this really sharp pain in her head. 475 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:52,520 And you know, she pulled over and she's like, oh my gosh, this really bad headache. 476 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,600 And I'm like, come on, grandma, let's just go back home. 477 00:27:55,600 --> 00:28:01,000 You know, you can lay down and I'll call my friends, parents, and have them pick me up. 478 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:02,880 It's no big deal. 479 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:04,480 And she kept apologizing to me. 480 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,960 I remember her apologizing profusely to me and I kept telling her, please don't worry 481 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:08,960 about it. 482 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:09,960 Please don't worry about it. 483 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:11,320 I think she knew. 484 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:14,040 She knew what was happening. 485 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:18,920 And when we got to the house, she told me to call my aunt who was a nurse at the tower. 486 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:20,720 She's still a nurse. 487 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:26,800 And while I was on the phone, she actually had a stroke and fell face down on the floor 488 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,880 first and she was barely breathing. 489 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:34,520 And I was trying to calm our dog at that time down and trying to tell her everything will 490 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:37,640 be okay while on the phone at 13 years old. 491 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:40,880 It was just, it was a lot. 492 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,360 Eventually, you know, we lost my grandmother. 493 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:46,080 But I felt her leaving. 494 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:53,440 And I took my younger cousins to the lakefront, which was fairly close to the house. 495 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:57,080 And we were just walking and then all of a sudden it started raining. 496 00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:58,080 And they were like, oh, it's raining. 497 00:28:58,080 --> 00:28:59,080 We're going to melt. 498 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:02,600 You know what the silly things kids do. 499 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:03,600 And we started running. 500 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:09,600 All of a sudden I just felt this, a piece of me being taken away. 501 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:15,560 And then I just, I just knew that she was gone. 502 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:21,440 And when we came back to the house, they told us kids that, you know, she didn't make it. 503 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:31,080 So that was really hard for me because I think she was protecting me from all that. 504 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:37,360 And then after she had passed away, my friend stopped talking to me, this girl who I viewed 505 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:42,760 as a sister, because I guess she, she didn't know how to talk to me after that. 506 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:46,200 So I lost her as a friend too. 507 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:52,200 And then that, now that we were alone, I used to actually sleep with a knife under my water 508 00:29:52,200 --> 00:30:01,520 bed, a pillow in a water bed to make sure that I was protected, you know. 509 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:09,840 But without telling anybody what was happening, I asked my uncle if I could live with them. 510 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:13,520 Because my cousin and I went to the same school at the time. 511 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:17,080 So I asked him if I could live with them and they agreed. 512 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:23,440 So I lived with them for a while until my dad finally retired and got our own house. 513 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:29,120 And that was at that house that we just purchased was my, the first at a body experience that 514 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:30,120 I had. 515 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:31,120 Okay. 516 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,120 Tell us about that. 517 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:34,120 Sure. 518 00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:40,360 So one night it was unusually cold for Florida weather and I think it was like 40 something 519 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:41,520 degrees or something. 520 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:47,520 And I had this personal heater right next to, on my nightstand right next to my bed. 521 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:49,520 And I had on full blast. 522 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:55,480 Because you know, growing up, mostly growing up in tropical climates, 40 something is really, 523 00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:56,480 really cold. 524 00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:03,920 I had this like thermal long johns is what it's called on under my blanket. 525 00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:09,760 And then all of a sudden, I don't know if it was another end the ear whatnot, but I 526 00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:18,760 had this very, very, very vivid dream of being inside of this iron cage and the bars were 527 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:20,920 really, really thick. 528 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:27,720 And on top of the cage was a chain that was letting me or, you know, putting me down closer 529 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:32,320 and closer inside of this like very dark cave. 530 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:38,400 And they were like demonic beings all around and underneath was the lava. 531 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:43,160 And the chain was getting me down closer and closer to said lava. 532 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:49,480 And I remember one of the demons beings got close to the chain, grabbed onto the bar and 533 00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:51,200 was like laughing at me. 534 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,080 And I tried screaming, but I didn't have any voice. 535 00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:58,120 So anything was just laughing at me. 536 00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:04,400 And I was like, so scary, but trying to see if I could find myself a way out. 537 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:08,840 I was getting closer and closer to the bottom of the cave. 538 00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:14,200 I just with all of my being with all of my might, I just yelled out, even though I didn't 539 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:17,080 have a voice, I just yelled out, Jesus. 540 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:24,000 And then all of a sudden this very bright white light came across this cave and everything 541 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:25,080 turned bright. 542 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,640 I was no longer inside of that cave. 543 00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:35,320 And then I remember being transported into my house in front of my door, my bedroom door. 544 00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:37,760 My door was always open. 545 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:41,240 And I remember just watching my body sleeping. 546 00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:45,480 And then all of a sudden I got this feeling like I was really hot and dehydrated. 547 00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,080 So I go, my gosh. 548 00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:50,440 So I told myself to wake up. 549 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:51,800 I couldn't wake up. 550 00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:54,720 And then I was yelling at myself to wake up. 551 00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:57,800 And then the last time I was like, wait, God. 552 00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:02,880 And I finally woke up, turned off my heater and got a glass of water. 553 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:08,600 It was so strange just looking at my body sleeping while I was outside of my bedroom 554 00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:09,600 door. 555 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:11,680 It was sounds like more than just a dream. 556 00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:12,680 Yeah. 557 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:16,600 It felt so real, I would never forget that. 558 00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:22,160 And it was like my reoccurring dream of me being younger, wearing this potato sack dress 559 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,040 and I'm in line waiting. 560 00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:28,800 And then all of a sudden there's this box and I would have to get into the box and there 561 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:33,240 was a guy in uniform about to shoot me and I would always wake up before I get shot. 562 00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:37,480 It was, there's so many things like that. 563 00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,480 Did you have one other out of body experience? 564 00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:41,480 I did. 565 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:42,960 How old were you then? 566 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:44,280 I was 28. 567 00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:45,280 Okay. 568 00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:46,840 What led up to that? 569 00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:47,840 Sure. 570 00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:53,320 I was having a tubal ligation, you know, no more pregnancies because my second pregnancy, 571 00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:58,320 although she's such a blessing, was very hard on my body. 572 00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:02,040 So I couldn't, you know, go through that again. 573 00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:09,800 And so after they put me an anesthesia, I remember seeing them putting tape on my eyes. 574 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:16,160 And then I just was looking at myself from like on the ceiling, like I was on the ceiling 575 00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:20,200 looking at myself on the table while they were operating on me. 576 00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:26,840 I remember them making an incision and I remember watching the monitor and I remember the little 577 00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:32,200 circular classic thing that they put over my fallopian tube. 578 00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:37,680 They had to like pry it open with one of those machines because I guess it was the really, 579 00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:43,720 really hard plastic and then they put it over my fallopian tube and I just remember them 580 00:34:43,720 --> 00:34:46,280 talking about what lunch they were going to have. 581 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:50,640 Out of the blue, you know, during surgery, I was like, yeah, you know, we're going to 582 00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:56,240 have combo so she, you know, comp salad is like, okay, comp salad. 583 00:34:56,240 --> 00:34:58,640 Why aren't they talking about any who I digress? 584 00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:03,960 But yeah, after my follow up surgery six weeks later to make sure that everything went well, 585 00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:09,240 I was talking to my surgeon and then she was like, yeah, that's so weird. 586 00:35:09,240 --> 00:35:13,880 So you told her the things that you remember seeing and hearing. 587 00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:14,880 Yeah. 588 00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,400 And it kind of freaked her out a little bit. 589 00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:18,400 It really did. 590 00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:23,480 Cause she was like, you're really like, you know, under anesthesia. 591 00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:25,720 How did you, I said, I just thought everything. 592 00:35:25,720 --> 00:35:26,720 I saw the monitor. 593 00:35:26,720 --> 00:35:33,480 I saw the device that you used to not clamp, but like put my tubes in between and like, 594 00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:38,760 they look like an O-ring, you know, but they use it to clamp my fallopian tubes. 595 00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:43,480 Make sure that she was really surprised by that. 596 00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:45,480 You do know this isn't very normal, right? 597 00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:48,920 It's a knee. 598 00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:50,920 I mean that in a loving way. 599 00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:54,520 Most of us don't have these kinds of experiences. 600 00:35:54,520 --> 00:36:01,360 I wonder if, if what you, what happened to you at age five kind of made you more prone 601 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,600 to these experiences later in life. 602 00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:04,840 What's your thoughts? 603 00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:06,320 I believe they do. 604 00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:12,960 I honestly do as well as meditation cause I listen to Heming St. Meditation and it's 605 00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:14,960 in a treatment and treatment program. 606 00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:19,720 And I think that helps me as well to get to my intuition more. 607 00:36:19,720 --> 00:36:23,200 I had anxiety and depression most of my life. 608 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:28,240 So I was actually I'm sober over one year. 609 00:36:28,240 --> 00:36:29,240 Yay. 610 00:36:29,240 --> 00:36:30,240 Congratulations. 611 00:36:30,240 --> 00:36:31,360 Thank you. 612 00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:37,920 I was self-medicating as well as had prescription medication for, you know, anxiety and depression 613 00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:39,760 really bad. 614 00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:47,960 But I believe it really helped me cause I feel people's emotions and see behind the 615 00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:49,880 veil sort of speak. 616 00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:55,480 Sometimes what they say and what they actually mean are two completely different things. 617 00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:59,240 And I, it freaks, like they get angry with me because it freaks them out. 618 00:36:59,240 --> 00:37:04,040 But so I've learned to not speak my mind on the matter. 619 00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:09,040 Can you give us an example of when that's happened recently or any example that stands 620 00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:10,040 out? 621 00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:11,600 Sure. 622 00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:18,360 When someone told me that they cared for me, but I knew behind their eyes there was no 623 00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:23,720 like real meaning behind it kind of thing. 624 00:37:23,720 --> 00:37:26,600 You know, I can feel people's emotions. 625 00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:33,000 Like one time my, we just got a brand new cat and my youngest was so scared of it. 626 00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:39,360 And I felt her fear at the very bottom of my back and I felt it so intensely it hurt. 627 00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:44,200 I see events that happen or have had happened. 628 00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:50,640 Like when, when my dad called me to tell me that my abuser had killed, you know, had passed 629 00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:51,640 away. 630 00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:55,520 I told him, oh yeah, he shot himself in the head, didn't he? 631 00:37:55,520 --> 00:38:01,000 And he's like, yeah, he was really surprised that I knew that even though I was 3000 miles 632 00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:06,520 away, you know, visiting my mom before the trial was to go about. 633 00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:08,400 It's just little things. 634 00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:10,160 I'm more sensitive. 635 00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:15,000 The other day actually I was just walking to my room and then all of a sudden like I 636 00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:18,080 felt a beat like a spirit being there. 637 00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:20,560 I didn't see it, but I just felt it. 638 00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:23,840 And I'm like, mm, what's your intention and see it. 639 00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:29,160 That most of the beings I come across in this house has, hasn't been malevolent or had any 640 00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:31,000 ill will towards anybody here. 641 00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:34,680 So what emotions are you feeling for me? 642 00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:42,120 Um, it's a happy, well relaxed, but very curious. 643 00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:45,200 Sorry to put you on the spot. 644 00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:46,840 No, you're good. 645 00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:47,840 Okay. 646 00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:53,440 So I think it might be interesting for some of our listeners to find out how you got on 647 00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:54,440 this show. 648 00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:55,440 Sure. 649 00:38:55,440 --> 00:39:00,320 Why don't you go ahead and tell everybody, because we, we never talk about this and, and 650 00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:04,280 there's a lot of different ways that people end up being interviewed here. 651 00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:06,560 So how did it work for you? 652 00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:12,520 I was listening to different types of podcasts prior to, um, like conch, you know, metaphysics, 653 00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:17,520 consciousness, spirit speakers, you know, psychic teachers and all that. 654 00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:23,040 And although they were very helpful in my spiritual life and awakening my spiritual self, I was 655 00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:29,480 like, I still don't feel like I know what happened to me, you know, with the NDE because 656 00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:34,240 I had forgotten about it until about 2020. 657 00:39:34,240 --> 00:39:38,440 And I had that meditation past life regression meditation and all of a sudden it just came 658 00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:39,440 up to me. 659 00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:43,520 I was like, I've been like, Oh my gosh, I need to know what happened. 660 00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:47,800 And then I was just researching near death experience. 661 00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:53,680 I've read a few here and there online, but it never really resonated with me. 662 00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:59,840 So, and I came across your show on Amazon and I'm like, I might as well give it a try. 663 00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:05,400 You know, hopefully I can find something that resonates with me and what happened with me. 664 00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:10,720 And I've been hooked ever since all of your speakers have been wonderful and you have 665 00:40:10,720 --> 00:40:13,320 just a calming presence to you. 666 00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:17,160 So you reached out and sent me an email. 667 00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:19,600 It was a nice long one, very well written. 668 00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:24,000 Oh, I guess that I felt confident on my end. 669 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,760 Anyway, I appreciate that. 670 00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:32,760 I love when people send emails to Will and I that we can go through and pick speakers 671 00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:38,040 from or pick interviews from and you're sound very sincere and interesting. 672 00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:42,560 So, so I wanted to talk to you and I knew people would love you. 673 00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:47,640 So what other message do you have for anybody listening out there? 674 00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:56,480 That I was just told that love is the answer, you know, and we're here to experience from 675 00:40:56,480 --> 00:41:00,760 all a lot of the books I've read. 676 00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:05,960 We as humans just get to experience what it's like here. 677 00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:12,440 And on the other side, there's really, there's just love, no judgment, just love. 678 00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:21,080 And just love everyone as much as you can forgive because I've forgiven that person, 679 00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:26,440 mostly for myself and just try to be the best you you can be. 680 00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:29,800 Help out as many people as you can when you can. 681 00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:33,920 And that love that you felt during your NDE, could you explain it to us more? 682 00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:34,920 Sure. 683 00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:38,480 Try to put into words now that you've had children and things, you probably understand 684 00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:41,400 that feeling even more than you did then. 685 00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:49,720 I do, but it's so hard to describe it because the love I have with my children is never 686 00:41:49,720 --> 00:41:50,720 ending. 687 00:41:50,720 --> 00:41:59,120 And it's like that times, oh my gosh, infinity and phantasm all have everyone at work. 688 00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:02,280 You're just like engulfed in it once you get there. 689 00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:09,800 It's this freedom of no judgment and you're just love for who you are. 690 00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:12,760 You don't have to be anybody else other than who you are. 691 00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:14,720 You're just loved. 692 00:42:14,720 --> 00:42:20,040 It's like somebody said a thousand grandmas hugging you at the same time. 693 00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:24,560 It's just, it engulfs your being and it's really, really beautiful. 694 00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:28,560 How do we show more of that to people around us? 695 00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:32,760 Just accept people for who they are regardless of how they are. 696 00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:38,120 Just, you know, don't expect anything out of them and don't try to change them. 697 00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:41,440 Just accept them and love them. 698 00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:48,120 And did this experience leave you with less fear of death than a normal person would have? 699 00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:49,120 Absolutely. 700 00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:53,280 Actually, I wanted to go back. 701 00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:55,040 That's embarrassing to say. 702 00:42:55,040 --> 00:43:01,640 I remember trying to alleviate my depression with taking golden teachers and it, which 703 00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:07,560 is a silence I've been and getting in the tub and wanting to go back home. 704 00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:11,240 I just wanted to go back home because I don't feel like home here. 705 00:43:11,240 --> 00:43:16,880 I mean, I feel with my family home, but I miss that feeling of home. 706 00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:23,280 It's kind of like, it's unfair because I love my family here, but there's no feeling like 707 00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:25,960 the home that you experience on the other side. 708 00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:27,840 If that makes sense. 709 00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:28,840 Yeah. 710 00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:33,520 And that guide that you had there, he said you will be happy eventually. 711 00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:34,520 Has that happened? 712 00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:35,520 Yes. 713 00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:40,120 I'm very happy with my husband and my two children. 714 00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:45,560 They mean so very much to me more than anything. 715 00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:49,520 And getting to tell them I love them a hundred times a day, even though they get annoyed 716 00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:52,520 with me is the highlight of my day. 717 00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:53,720 I get to hug that. 718 00:43:53,720 --> 00:43:57,160 Well, my love, I'm my 12 year old, not so much anymore. 719 00:43:57,160 --> 00:44:01,920 She doesn't like being touched anymore, but my, at least I get to, you know, cuddle and 720 00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:08,040 hug on my eight year old as much as I can, so, which is close to the feeling as you can 721 00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:09,040 get here. 722 00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:16,520 Well, as a parent who has had teenagers go through those years, I understand and it doesn't 723 00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:17,520 last forever. 724 00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:18,520 Okay. 725 00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:22,240 You'll hopefully have a cuddler again one of these days. 726 00:44:22,240 --> 00:44:25,960 Anyway, Mary Grace, thanks so much for being with us today. 727 00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:26,960 Thank you, Eric. 728 00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:30,720 I hope, you know, it helps somebody. 729 00:44:30,720 --> 00:44:33,720 And how do you feel now that you've had a chance to share it? 730 00:44:33,720 --> 00:44:36,320 A little shaken, but I feel good. 731 00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:40,120 I hope it can confuse a lot of too much. 732 00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:45,600 You guys too much, but, you know, I'm very appreciative for you and this wonderful podcast 733 00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:52,000 to help me share my story because even though I may be seeing, seeing crazy as some, you 734 00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:56,840 know, at least it's, it's my experience and I was able to share it. 735 00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:57,840 Thank you. 736 00:44:57,840 --> 00:44:58,840 Well, I hope it's helped you. 737 00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,440 I know it's helped other people. 738 00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:04,880 Thanks again. 739 00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:09,520 Thanks to you for listening and remember to follow and share this podcast. 740 00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:39,360 Until then, I wish you everything good that you're looking for in this life and the next.