1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:08,400 From the time that they pronounced me deaf was a good 45 minutes. 2 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:13,440 They cut my clothes and then they paddled my heart, my heart had stopped. 3 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:18,120 And I could see people screaming and crying, but I didn't realize that was actually my 4 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:21,320 physical body because I was somewhere else. 5 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:27,400 The only thing that I could feel, if you could imagine, absolute love and peace, there wasn't 6 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:29,400 anything else to be felt. 7 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:32,520 I was greeted by people I'd known in the past. 8 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:34,160 I'm back home again. 9 00:00:34,160 --> 00:00:38,880 Incredibly safe and felt at home. 10 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:43,760 Welcome to Round Trip Death and I'd love to welcome our special guest, Gina Schaefer. 11 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:45,440 Good morning, Gina. 12 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:47,520 Good morning. How are you doing this morning? 13 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:49,400 I'm great. How are you? 14 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:54,000 I'm great. It's a little bit later for you, so I know it's for me, so I know it's really 15 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:57,360 early for you, so glad that you're willing to get up so early. 16 00:00:57,360 --> 00:00:59,840 Well, why don't you tell everybody where you live? 17 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:04,280 I live in La Porte, Texas, which is about a stone's throw from Galveston, Texas, you 18 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:06,400 know, Hurricane Alley. 19 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:10,280 It's between Galveston and Houston, Texas. 20 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:12,000 And what do you do for a living? 21 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:15,800 I teach for a paycheck, but I write a lot of books. 22 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:16,800 Okay. 23 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:19,040 And we'll talk about your books later on. 24 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:20,040 Okay. 25 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:22,160 They are very unusual. 26 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:25,200 And your story is also very unusual. 27 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:30,560 I'm going to give a heads up to our listeners and as a way of thanking you again of the 28 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:36,080 many, many, many interviews that we have done for this show. 29 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:43,960 Yours was the first one that we had some audio problems with, and you just didn't sound your 30 00:01:43,960 --> 00:01:45,440 best because of it. 31 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:51,520 So we wanted to re-record here so that you can sound good and everybody can listen to 32 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:54,000 you without weird noises going on or anything. 33 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:58,600 So thank you for coming back and spending another hour with us again. 34 00:01:58,600 --> 00:01:59,600 Don't worry. 35 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:01,800 I enjoy talking with you. 36 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:03,720 Well, thank you. 37 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:07,760 Tell me a little bit about your teaching and what got you into teaching. 38 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:09,880 Actually my husband got me into teaching. 39 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:13,400 I worked as a social worker for many years. 40 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:18,080 I did the, you know, advocacy for domestic violence and sexual assault. 41 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:21,880 We'd go to court whenever a call would come into the hospital. 42 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:25,880 I'd be one of the ones that they would go down there and I would handle the case, see 43 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:28,080 them through the entire process. 44 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:33,240 It was a really interesting and it was a wonderful career, a real good feel good career. 45 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:40,720 However, after I had my son, it became apparent that I needed to do something else because 46 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:44,040 I would be called at all hours of the day and night. 47 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:49,200 And so my husband talked me into teaching and I'm actually pretty good at it. 48 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:53,440 Well, according to the principles, or I have them really well convinced that I'm good at 49 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:54,840 it. 50 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:56,080 What do you teach? 51 00:02:56,080 --> 00:03:01,000 I teach the advanced academics for AP Semestars seminar. 52 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:02,600 It's a capstone class. 53 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:07,160 So babies that go through this class, they actually are able to earn college credit even 54 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:10,360 though they're only about 15, 16 years old. 55 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:12,200 That sounds great. 56 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:19,160 Well, and, and I know you lost your husband not too long ago and our sympathies and condolences 57 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:20,160 with that. 58 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:21,160 Thank you. 59 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:25,000 So let's talk about your near-death experience. 60 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:27,560 That's what everybody is here for. 61 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:33,680 They want to listen and learn and we're going to go back about 15 years. 62 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:37,920 And tell us what was going on with you that led up to this. 63 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:43,520 I actually believe it or not I've had to, but the one where that was very, that was 64 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:50,760 about 15 years ago, I was hemorrhaging, hemorrhaging and I, um, losing a whole bunch of blood, more 65 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:53,520 blood than you can even imagine. 66 00:03:53,520 --> 00:04:00,080 And I remember vaguely my husband coming into the room trying to get me dressed and an ambulance 67 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:01,080 coming. 68 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:03,520 I do not remember the ambulance ride. 69 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:10,280 I barely remember the hospital, but what I remember the most was not being in my body 70 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:18,440 at some point in between arriving at the hospital and looking up at my husband who was crying. 71 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:22,320 He was being informed that they, you know, they were trying to revive me. 72 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:29,960 I looked, I barely, you know, I looked down and then I saw myself being lifted up and 73 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:37,840 I heard beautiful, beautiful angel-like music, very high pitch, but it didn't hurt my ears. 74 00:04:37,840 --> 00:04:43,600 I, um, it was like walking into bubbles of air, dust, and pinks and purples. 75 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:45,520 Um, there were some shadows. 76 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:50,920 There's a few people that I recognize, but I remember feeling this incredible warmth and 77 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:59,160 this incredible love and, and the brightness that I just, it's something that I almost, 78 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:04,360 I would love to go back to that it, it was just so extreme. 79 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:06,920 I didn't know at that point when I was being lifted. 80 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:13,480 I didn't know what was happening around once that I had, I guess, ascended. 81 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:20,320 I did speak to a medium one time who actually was trying to figure out what was going on. 82 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:24,600 And he was, she was the one, she was like, you went all the way up to the fifth rail. 83 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:30,200 And she asked me if I had special gifts, which it was kind of obvious because I was surrounded 84 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:33,840 by what she could tell seemed to be loving spirits. 85 00:05:33,840 --> 00:05:39,760 And that's actually what led me into paranormal investigation because she is, okay, you've 86 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:41,400 got some talents. 87 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:46,280 This is going to be very, very extreme because it's going to have a long lasting effect. 88 00:05:46,280 --> 00:05:50,200 And that's how I got in touch with a paranormal team. 89 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:53,400 And I still occasionally do paranormal investigations. 90 00:05:53,400 --> 00:06:01,120 It also has led me into doing a lot of writing and being extremely just sensitive and, um, 91 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:02,120 it's caring. 92 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:07,000 And it's definitely an experience I would want to go through again, oddly enough. 93 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:08,000 Okay. 94 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:09,160 Let's take a breath. 95 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:12,720 You just covered a lot really fast. 96 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:16,480 Is the first thing you remember looking down on your body? 97 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:20,760 I remember looking down on my body, but my focus was not on my body. 98 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:23,440 My focus was on the doctors and my husband. 99 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:26,480 And what were you feeling for them or from them? 100 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:32,760 I could feel my husband's fear and anxiety. 101 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:38,640 I could feel empathy, but I was being lifted away like almost immediately. 102 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:44,680 It was very, it seemed like a long period of time, but it really wasn't because I wasn't 103 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:47,240 hovering over them for very long. 104 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:49,640 I was taken up pretty quickly. 105 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:53,720 I know they say, well, sometimes you wonder around and I even think my husband did for 106 00:06:53,720 --> 00:07:01,600 a while after he, um, when he died, but I was lifted up pretty quickly into the air, into 107 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:04,560 the air dozen bubbles that I had described. 108 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:05,560 Okay. 109 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:08,440 I wonder why that's different for some people and others. 110 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:12,680 Cause yeah, I've had some people on this show that say, yeah, I was up in the corner of 111 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:19,320 the hospital room and I watched them doing this ABCDE before something else happened. 112 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:20,800 And I don't know. 113 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:23,400 Sometimes I just wonder why these are all a little different. 114 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:29,520 I think I, from what I know and from my understanding, some people ascend quicker than others. 115 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:34,360 I know that it was very sick and I know that I was anxious to leave, um, which I'm not 116 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:35,360 exactly sure why. 117 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:41,000 Cause I had, I had, my child was only four years old at the time, but I know that some 118 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:42,520 people hang around. 119 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:51,480 Some people don't let go as quickly for whatever reason I was letting go more quickly, you 120 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:57,240 know, as far as, like I said, I saw briefly, you know, what was going on, but I wasn't 121 00:07:57,240 --> 00:07:58,240 hanging around. 122 00:07:58,240 --> 00:07:59,720 I wasn't looking at a corner. 123 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:01,680 I know that they were trying to revive me. 124 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:05,240 I know that they were pumping in more blood into me cause I, you know, my blood was being 125 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:06,240 drained from my body. 126 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:10,520 It was like it was, they were trying to put it in and it was coming out as quickly. 127 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:17,120 However, with me, it was like almost just like I was, had tunnel vision. 128 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:23,240 Like I just feel myself being lifted up and before I could even say or do anything, I 129 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:28,200 was in like this cloud like, um, cloud like existence. 130 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:29,800 You mentioned the beautiful music. 131 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:30,800 Yes. 132 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:34,400 Is there any way you can describe that more? 133 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:35,400 Angelic. 134 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:40,960 I've only heard it one other time and that's actually when I was doing a paranormal investigation. 135 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:47,400 And I always, whenever I go into any type of investigation whatsoever, I pray, you know, 136 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:48,800 I asked for God's protections. 137 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:50,920 I asked for the angels protections. 138 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:57,160 And I remember one time because we were recording the prayer and there, the voices came through 139 00:08:57,160 --> 00:08:59,280 that said, we are here. 140 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:01,080 And it was almost musical. 141 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:06,720 That is the only other time that I've heard it, but it was very high pitched, choir like 142 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:09,640 almost like there was bells within the music. 143 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:14,240 But it was definitely, it was some, even though it was kind of inaudible, it was just these 144 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:17,520 beautiful voices almost like they were greeting me up. 145 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:20,080 I'm trying to picture that. 146 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:25,880 I wish you could say, oh, well, you know, Beethoven's 13th or whatever sounded similar, 147 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:29,040 but I, because I don't have a reference for that. 148 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:31,480 There is no reference. 149 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:38,400 It was, it was just this very welcoming almost like when I was being lifted up, it was like 150 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:40,320 almost something was just opening up. 151 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:45,880 I did see the bright lights, but I still was more surrounded in these lavender and purples 152 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:47,800 and pinks. 153 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:52,560 And I just felt myself being drawn wanting to go closer and closer to it. 154 00:09:52,560 --> 00:09:55,480 It what got me was it was very high pitched. 155 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:58,520 I do not like high pitch noises at all. 156 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:01,320 And yet it did not hurt my ears. 157 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:03,280 I felt no pain. 158 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:06,640 I just felt love and I felt very light. 159 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:11,960 And I liked that too, because I've had some people tell me that a similar thing to what 160 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:18,680 you're saying with ears, they had experience with their eyes where the light was so bright, 161 00:10:18,680 --> 00:10:20,200 yet it didn't hurt their eyes at all. 162 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:21,720 They were able to look right into it. 163 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:23,680 It wasn't like looking at the sun. 164 00:10:23,680 --> 00:10:24,680 Yes. 165 00:10:24,680 --> 00:10:31,000 I was able to look right into the bright lights, did not, and it didn't hurt my eyes were wide 166 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:33,880 open, but I still, I didn't get close enough. 167 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:39,280 I was going closer towards the bright lights again, because that's where the music was 168 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:42,360 coming from, but I just didn't make it all the way through. 169 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:45,080 I think that God had a different plan for me. 170 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:47,440 Tell me more about the bright lights. 171 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:49,960 Was this one or was this a whole bunch of them? 172 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:51,320 It felt like one. 173 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:55,120 I'm not saying that it wasn't a whole bunch of them, but if it was a whole bunch of them, 174 00:10:55,120 --> 00:11:00,920 they were collaged together because it seemed just like one big and it wasn't even like 175 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:02,080 a spotlight. 176 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:03,080 It was just huge. 177 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:04,520 It was just like it was opening up. 178 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:06,360 I could see it through the distance. 179 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:07,360 Okay. 180 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:09,600 Again, I'm trying to envision all of this. 181 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:10,600 It's fascinating. 182 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:11,600 Okay. 183 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:15,640 Tell me about the warmth and love now. 184 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:19,720 The warmth and love, there was, I tend to have a lot of anxiety. 185 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:21,560 Like I would feel the stress in my shoulders. 186 00:11:21,560 --> 00:11:23,040 All of that was gone. 187 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:25,720 I felt acceptance. 188 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:27,800 Like I was wanted there. 189 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:32,440 I just, this, you know, I, and I've gone into haunted places where I've like felt depression 190 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:37,240 or you know, when you're, you have anxiety or you're hurting or you're scared, you get 191 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:39,560 that feeling on your chest. 192 00:11:39,560 --> 00:11:41,720 There was none of that there. 193 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:46,440 It was as if, you know, I was just being enclosed. 194 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:52,120 When I was walking through these bubbles, I was being enclosed and it felt like, even 195 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:57,080 though I couldn't really distinguish the faces of everybody, I felt like they were all just 196 00:11:57,080 --> 00:11:58,240 wanting me there. 197 00:11:58,240 --> 00:11:59,240 They loved me. 198 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:03,480 They were excited that I was there and yet they sent me back. 199 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:08,680 Speaking of that, tell us what happened next along this journey. 200 00:12:08,680 --> 00:12:14,440 I was going, when I went through the journey, I was, and it was, it actually kind of happened 201 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:19,760 at an interesting time because when I had been lifted up, it was right before midnight 202 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:21,680 and I didn't come back until after midnight. 203 00:12:21,680 --> 00:12:28,760 So I still say that I have two birthdays because I wasn't revived until technically the next 204 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:29,760 day. 205 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:35,800 However, I don't remember anything where I was like sucked back into my body or something 206 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:38,200 that was just dramatic. 207 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:42,680 I just, I remember hearing a very light distinct voice. 208 00:12:42,680 --> 00:12:45,280 You have something else to do. 209 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:50,400 And I woke up and when I woke up, I was freezing cold because I was in the hospital room. 210 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:51,800 They were covering me with blankets. 211 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:52,800 They said I had fever. 212 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:57,040 They had ice packs on me trying to get my fever down and they were still putting blood 213 00:12:57,040 --> 00:13:00,560 in me, but I had somehow I had come back. 214 00:13:00,560 --> 00:13:02,720 You remember anything else? 215 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:11,320 No, but I have, I have dreamed about it recently, which I think was, it has been, I think it 216 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:16,040 was triggered by my husband's death because I know that the night that my husband died, 217 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:18,240 he died in the morning was our anniversary. 218 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:19,880 I cried all day long. 219 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:23,840 I mean, my face was hurt, you know, because he died here at the house and it was just 220 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:25,840 so traumatic. 221 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:28,960 And I cried so much that my face literally hurt. 222 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:32,880 I did not fall asleep until the wee hours of the morning. 223 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:39,800 And then I had a dream and my husband, but he was more clear than I could even see myself. 224 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:45,480 So I knew that he ascended further and he had, he was kind of like he was stomping in 225 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:46,480 the clouds. 226 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:50,160 He was looking a little bit confused and it was like he was reaching out to me. 227 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:53,680 But what was interesting is he was in his younger self. 228 00:13:53,680 --> 00:13:57,360 He was dressed the way that I seen him when I first met him. 229 00:13:57,360 --> 00:13:59,560 You know, I'd been with him for 30 years. 230 00:13:59,560 --> 00:14:02,800 He was completely in his prime. 231 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:08,920 And it was just 30 year old self and not his 61 year old self that had died. 232 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:15,440 And so that was the only time that I felt like I was, I kind of experienced it with him, 233 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:18,920 except for him, it was much more clear. 234 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:22,840 I could see him much more clearly than what I could see, what was around me. 235 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:27,640 I feel like there was a message being sent that's, you know, saying that, you know, I'm 236 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:30,200 here, I'm safe. 237 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:35,000 Three days before he died, his mother-in-law came and visited me in a dream. 238 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:36,880 And we, but we were in a different place. 239 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:41,440 We were in a plantation house and because she wanted to have lunch there. 240 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:46,640 And she kept telling me how incredibly happy she was how this was just the best place you 241 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:47,640 can be. 242 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:50,640 You could just close your eyes and you could just imagine any place you want to be. 243 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:51,640 And I was like, well, why are we here? 244 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:57,440 And she goes, well, I know you love old plantation houses and we're having lunch here. 245 00:14:57,440 --> 00:15:01,440 And it was like croissants and things, but she just kept saying, don't worry, it is so 246 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:03,000 wonderful here. 247 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:05,000 So I felt like that was a message from beyond. 248 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:07,360 Of course, I'm still upset that he's gone. 249 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:09,760 I'm still crying that he's gone. 250 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:14,160 But again, I know that he was accepted with warmth and love. 251 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:17,240 I, you know, it's, it's proof to me, heaven is real. 252 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:20,960 Now when I saw him though, I didn't see the bright, I didn't see the bright light. 253 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:26,240 And I think that's only for those that are experiencing it at the moment. 254 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:32,360 And there is no Hollywood movie that can recreate this scene no matter how hard. 255 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:36,880 And I tried in one of my books, but there's really no Hollywood scene that could create 256 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:40,120 the scene or love. 257 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:46,560 So there's a term for, I don't know the exact definition, but when we are around someone 258 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:51,920 when they pass and we have some kind of shared experience, spiritual experience with them, 259 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:54,840 it's known as a shared death experience. 260 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:59,080 There's NDEs and STEs and this would be an SDE. 261 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:02,560 We have to be careful how we say that. 262 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:08,480 And so that's, hey, that's cool that you got to have an experience like that as well. 263 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:14,080 I'm sure it didn't help the grief of how much you miss him, but it, did it help with, you 264 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:18,400 know, feeling comforted that he was happy and everything? 265 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:24,400 It made me have comfort that he didn't have pain because he was suffering from heart issues. 266 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:32,160 And so, I mean, he was just seeing him in his younger self where he was healthy and strong. 267 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:37,360 That did make me feel better, you know, knowing that, that he was, and then also because I 268 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:42,720 could feel him around the house and certain things would happen. 269 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:47,520 And so knowing that he did ascend into heaven, that did give me a lot of comfort. 270 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:51,480 Do you think everybody becomes their younger self? 271 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:56,800 I believe that the people come go within their prime of life. 272 00:16:56,800 --> 00:16:59,240 And when I met him, that was his prime. 273 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:04,640 And so I know when I saw my mother-in-law in her dreams, she did definitely look younger. 274 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:08,600 It was definitely self, but she looked a little bit older, looked about. 275 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:13,120 So I feel like that, you know, when you're prime in your life, it's different for different people. 276 00:17:13,120 --> 00:17:17,080 And it's when they're at their very best, whether, you know, it's health-wise, when 277 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:19,360 they're at their happiest. 278 00:17:19,360 --> 00:17:23,640 And so I do believe, I believe that when I die, I'll probably be in my, you know, mid-30s 279 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:28,360 early, you know, early 40s, when I was at my healthiest in the prime of my life. 280 00:17:28,360 --> 00:17:31,720 You mentioned that you went, believe you went to the fifth realm. 281 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:33,600 What do you mean by that? 282 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:34,600 Explain the fifth realm. 283 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:39,920 Well, there are different realms that you go when you die, when you first lose consciousness, 284 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:44,360 you do hang around for a while, and a lot of people do, which explains people who are 285 00:17:44,360 --> 00:17:47,760 telling you, yes, they are, they're telling you the truth. 286 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:51,440 They, yeah, they're looking at themselves, you know, from the corner of the room. 287 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:52,760 They can see what's going on. 288 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:57,800 Some of them, they can walk around and almost, you know, they can actually see the grief, 289 00:17:57,800 --> 00:17:59,120 they can see their families. 290 00:17:59,120 --> 00:18:01,800 They just don't necessarily understand. 291 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:09,440 But then you just, you slowly lift up into these different realms where you have, you're 292 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:11,320 drifting away. 293 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:16,200 And from what it was explained to me is that for some reason I was zapped all the way up 294 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:19,360 to the fifth and there's seven realms. 295 00:18:19,360 --> 00:18:23,880 And I think because what was happening was progressing so quickly and part of it was 296 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:27,680 my fault because I knew that I needed help and I laid to bed and said, I'm going to take 297 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:29,920 a vitamin and I'm going to be fine. 298 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:32,360 And clearly that was not the case. 299 00:18:32,360 --> 00:18:37,000 So I was already so far gone by the time they got me to the hospital. 300 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:41,800 I think that's why I lifted up quicker than some other people because I have talked to 301 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:44,960 people that have said, yes, that they've walked around. 302 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:50,680 They haven't, you know, they haven't been able to go up further. 303 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:53,040 And then I've met people that have been in my situation. 304 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:57,880 I've never met anybody who actually entered exactly through the gates of heaven. 305 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:01,800 But I do believe that those bright lights that I saw, that really bright light that 306 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:08,000 I saw through the, the, the air-decent bubbles, I believe that was heaven's light. 307 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:09,960 Explain the air-decent bubbles. 308 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:15,720 It was almost, when I was walking through, I don't know if it's bubbles or clouds, bubbles 309 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:21,120 felt more sensible to me, but I was, I was walking through and trying to kind of weave 310 00:19:21,120 --> 00:19:23,320 my way and head towards the light. 311 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:29,200 I just felt the, these pinks and purples that were around me, there probably were spirits 312 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:35,200 of loved ones of, you know, ones that I have passed, maybe even spirit guides that were 313 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:39,600 guiding me along the way because I did feel the love from that. 314 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:42,920 Like I said, they were like pinks and like purples. 315 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:47,000 And supposedly I'm not the only one that has talked about different colors in different 316 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:52,120 realms, but those were the only colors that I actually saw besides the bright light. 317 00:19:52,120 --> 00:19:55,960 And again, you talked about the love and the warmth. 318 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:57,920 Can you explain that further? 319 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:00,640 How is love related to warps anyway? 320 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:04,080 And have you felt anything like that here in this life? 321 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:05,080 Not here in this life. 322 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:09,560 I've never felt that, however, except, you know, I always felt extremely loved by my 323 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:10,560 husband. 324 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:15,280 And I guess maybe the closest thing would be was when I was in his arms. 325 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:23,040 But when I say like the warmth, it was the release of all stresses, of all pressures 326 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:30,440 of the world, the world part that I don't like that exists today is all left behind. 327 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:32,160 It's all forgotten. 328 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:33,480 You are there. 329 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:35,800 They're wanting you to be a part of it. 330 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:39,080 They're either greeting you, trying, you know, having you come forward. 331 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:40,080 Okay. 332 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:43,160 Is there anything else you want to tell us about this experience? 333 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:47,400 And then I want to ask you about, you mentioned one other near death experience. 334 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:51,640 So before we move on to that, anything we left out? 335 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:52,920 Heaven is real. 336 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:56,600 If anybody does not believe in heaven, it is real. 337 00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:58,520 It is very real. 338 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:00,040 Jesus is there. 339 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:02,560 Angels are there to greet you. 340 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:10,000 You know, any non-believers, there is absolutely no question in my mind. 341 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:13,280 Okay, because you've been there and you experienced it yourself. 342 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:14,280 I've been there. 343 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:18,760 Now the first time was actually when I was giving birth to my son. 344 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:20,920 And that was four years prior. 345 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:23,080 And I had pancreatitis. 346 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:27,320 And so they had to do an emergency cease section and they lost me briefly. 347 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:31,000 However, that time I didn't leave the hospital. 348 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:34,920 But what was interesting, they did say that I lost, but it was only for a few minutes. 349 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:39,240 I do remember seeing my husband crying and my mother in law crying. 350 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:44,200 But Father Joe, who was a priest that I knew as a child, that died as a child, he was with 351 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:45,200 me. 352 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:48,160 And there was this nurse that was there. 353 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:50,600 And she was the only one that was talking to me. 354 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:53,160 And I remember her very clearly because she had a very distinct look. 355 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:59,120 She had a very round face and she appeared to be part Indian. 356 00:21:59,120 --> 00:22:00,120 Her hair was pulled back. 357 00:22:00,120 --> 00:22:03,520 She was kind of wearing an old fashioned nurse type of outfit. 358 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:08,160 And she kept telling me, my baby is fine and that I'm going to be fine and I need to hang 359 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:09,440 on. 360 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:13,760 And Joe just, he's like, I'm just here to visit you. 361 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:19,800 When I woke up from that, nobody acknowledged seeing that nurse, seeing that nurse because 362 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:23,320 I asked for her because she told me her name was Grace. 363 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:27,760 And so I asked for Grace when I did wake up because I knew Father Joe, I just thought 364 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:31,200 he was an illusion and they told me what had happened. 365 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:34,040 And then there was one nurse who was an older nurse. 366 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:38,640 She says, you are not the only person that has asked for Grace. 367 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:41,600 And she goes, Grace doesn't exist. 368 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:43,840 And she never has existed. 369 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:48,360 But she said that there was, she said there was like two other patients that she knew 370 00:22:48,360 --> 00:22:50,720 that asked for this lady, Grace. 371 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:56,320 Anyways, when I had the last one where it was like, I really, it was like, yeah, I was 372 00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:58,560 really knocking on Heaven's gate. 373 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:01,600 My, she's a good friend of mine. 374 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:02,600 She's a psychic. 375 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:07,520 I need you to talk to this paranormal investigator because you're seeing things that other people 376 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:08,520 can't see. 377 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:11,240 But, and she goes, I just want you to know they're real. 378 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:15,320 So I go and I meet him and then I meet his wife and God bless her. 379 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:21,520 So she died a few years ago, but she was in the same hospital and she met the same nurse. 380 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:25,240 And this nurse, she had very, very dark eyes. 381 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:27,960 They were very round eyes, a very round face. 382 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:29,400 She described the hair. 383 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:31,400 She described the outfit. 384 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:34,800 It was as if she had the same exact experience. 385 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:39,680 And so my belief is that she is a spirit in the hospital and that she, because she likes 386 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:43,040 really hanging and she loves to hang out with that baby ward. 387 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:48,400 So I found it interesting that somebody else, you know, meeting somebody else, because one, 388 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:52,560 it was kind of solidified my experience and didn't make me think I was going completely 389 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:53,560 crazy. 390 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:58,960 But it also, it was helpful for her too, because every time she would go to this clearly hospital, 391 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:01,120 she's like, who knows, Grace? 392 00:24:01,120 --> 00:24:06,400 People don't know Grace, but people have talked to her and experienced her. 393 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:10,160 That time though, I don't feel like I just think I was stayed in the room and she just 394 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,760 happened to be there and she was with me. 395 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:20,280 I have been trying to find out who she is when I did kind of bump into her and I saw 396 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:25,600 her looking at the nursery all, and I looked at her and she recognized me and I was like, 397 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:26,600 where are you from? 398 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:28,320 And she said war. 399 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:36,200 Now, the area that I live in, battleground estates, the war of the battle of San Jacinto 400 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:38,000 actually happened here. 401 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:41,120 And so there were some civil wars in this area. 402 00:24:41,120 --> 00:24:45,720 So my thought process, and because I can tell that she definitely has some Indian blood, 403 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:50,280 is that she may have been from a battleground or something, perhaps that she was helping 404 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:54,720 there and maybe that's why nobody has any access to her. 405 00:24:54,720 --> 00:25:00,080 So I have gone through records because even though most of my books, with the exception 406 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:07,680 of Piper's Prince, where it's a loosely based opatory story, I do do a lot of research and 407 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:10,840 about different people that actually existed. 408 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:16,640 And so I have been trying to find out who Grace is, especially since I'm not the only 409 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:18,720 person that has experienced her. 410 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:23,360 And when people have taught, because the first thing I'll do is I'll explain to her and they'll 411 00:25:23,360 --> 00:25:26,960 tell me certain details that I have never released. 412 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:28,720 And I'm like, okay, this is her. 413 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:33,800 I have a feeling she is with all those babies that are born there. 414 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:35,400 I think so too. 415 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:37,960 And she's there to protect the mothers. 416 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:43,280 And I do know that when I have gone back to that hospital and my husband was sick and 417 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:47,640 things, I would go and I would actually, I would even wonder up to the baby ward because 418 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:48,640 I would look for her. 419 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:54,840 And sometimes I would see other people, but I would look for her. 420 00:25:54,840 --> 00:26:01,400 And what I kind of bothered me though was when I had my near death experience both times, 421 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:06,120 now Joe was there, but I don't recall anybody coming for me. 422 00:26:06,120 --> 00:26:12,080 When my husband had his first heart attack and we went to that same hospital, I did see 423 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:15,080 a man that was walking by. 424 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:18,880 And I looked at him and I was, I just, he captured my attention. 425 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:20,880 You know, he goes, oh, don't mind me. 426 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:22,960 I'm just here for pickup. 427 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:24,120 And Gary had turned to me. 428 00:26:24,120 --> 00:26:25,280 He goes, what's going on? 429 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:28,840 And I said, somebody's, somebody's about to die. 430 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:30,440 And he was like, what? 431 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:32,720 I was like, yeah, her husband's here. 432 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:37,160 And just within seconds code blew and it was in the next room. 433 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:41,320 And he was like, that really creeps me out when you do that. 434 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:46,080 But somebody came from him and having that dream and making these connections, I really 435 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:53,160 believe that my mother-in-law and my father-in-law was with my husband when he passed, you know, 436 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:54,160 trying to guide him. 437 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:58,360 And with me, I felt like it was different because I didn't, I didn't have anybody that 438 00:26:58,360 --> 00:26:59,800 second time. 439 00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:04,560 And then, you know, that first time it was just an old friend that was just like, you 440 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:06,360 know, I'm just here to check in on you. 441 00:27:06,360 --> 00:27:10,320 Well, and maybe that's because you were only going temporarily. 442 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:11,800 I was only going temporarily. 443 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:13,520 And I think he wanted to say hi. 444 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:14,520 I really do. 445 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:18,040 I think he just wanted to say hi because I do believe loved ones do check in on you. 446 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:23,080 But I think that grace, I, and to me, I mean, some people would call her a ghost or spirit. 447 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:28,040 To me, she's an angel because she was like, you're going to be okay. 448 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:32,760 I'm checking in on your baby and, you know, your husband's out there and they're doing 449 00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:33,960 everything they can. 450 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:37,840 You just need to hang on, you know, and then she was gone. 451 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,400 And other people have described her and seen her. 452 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:41,400 So I think you're right. 453 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:42,400 I think she's in there. 454 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:43,400 I think she loves those babies. 455 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,600 I think she was probably really a nurse. 456 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:50,680 I don't know if at that particular hospital, but perhaps on maybe on that land. 457 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:52,760 And that's what she likes to do. 458 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,320 Maybe that's her version of heaven is being with those babies. 459 00:27:55,320 --> 00:28:01,360 Wouldn't that be fun if you could actually do some research and like get a list of patients 460 00:28:01,360 --> 00:28:07,720 that have been there that have had some kind of experience like you did and just ask them, 461 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:11,520 did you, you know, is there anybody you remember from this? 462 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,160 There's, because there's probably a whole bunch of them. 463 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:16,120 It sounds like that's really cool. 464 00:28:16,120 --> 00:28:21,520 I bet there is because it was really, it was really cool meeting somebody that had actually 465 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:23,920 seen her and talked to her. 466 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:27,800 And in fact, every time when I'd go, me and Rich would be on an investigation or something. 467 00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:28,800 She would come along too. 468 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:32,320 And she had health issues as well, but we would always ask her, it's like, you know, 469 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:36,200 you think Grace is around, you know, you've seen her lately when my husband started to 470 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:37,200 get sick. 471 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:38,560 And it's like, well, did you see Grace? 472 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:41,240 If you see Grace say hi to her. 473 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:45,520 And you know, I mean, other, you know, not everybody seen her, but I mean, there was 474 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:49,880 that nurse and she's been, it looked like she'd been there a while, but I wanted to know who 475 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:50,880 else has seen her. 476 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:53,640 But of course she couldn't give me patients names. 477 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,680 But I mean, I was thought about doing like a Facebook page. 478 00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:57,680 Who knows Grace? 479 00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:58,680 That'd be fun. 480 00:28:58,680 --> 00:28:59,680 Yeah. 481 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:06,480 I think if I could get somebody, because she has such a distinct look about her that there's 482 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:08,560 no way anybody can confuse her. 483 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:12,760 It'd also be interesting if there were a way to go back through the personnel records of 484 00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:16,240 that hospital and see if a Grace ever worked there. 485 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:21,320 And it was a very new hospital, but that doesn't mean that there wasn't a hospitals around 486 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:23,840 there and there are some hospitals that are around there. 487 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:27,120 So I mean, she could generate from the land and she could have just found herself there 488 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:29,000 and decided she's going to stay. 489 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:30,000 Yeah. 490 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,840 Or someone that had been a nurse that died there or something like that. 491 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:33,840 Exactly. 492 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:39,120 Okay, how have these incredible experiences affected your life moving forward? 493 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:44,560 Well, I'm a writer and I've always been a writer, but I write paranormal, of course, 494 00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:47,520 paranormal in supernatural books. 495 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:52,640 I have gotten into doing, of course, very spiritual, I think. 496 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:57,120 And you know, you could argue that I'm more religious, but I would also say just very 497 00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,840 spiritual or more open-minded. 498 00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:04,920 I incorporate a lot of my experiences and I realize that a lot of my experiences are 499 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:08,760 real and that I can prove them. 500 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:14,880 Interesting enough is I would go visit and I do investigations out of all my friends 501 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:16,080 that are the people that I work with. 502 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:18,520 I'm the one that gets the clear pictures. 503 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:21,520 I mean, I've even had ghosts like say, hey, take a picture of me. 504 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:22,520 I'm right here. 505 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:24,040 We were at this one place. 506 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:28,240 My husband was with me and he saw me and he saw me kind of looking at me. 507 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:29,240 He goes, what are you doing? 508 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:30,560 I was like, there's this kid here. 509 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:31,560 He's funny. 510 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:32,560 He's like, what? 511 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:36,760 And so, and the kid was like, so I took a picture of him and I showed him to my husband. 512 00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:39,520 My husband just kind of, he looks at, he just kind of looks at the direction. 513 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:41,240 He's like, nice to meet you. 514 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,240 And just kind of fucks off. 515 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:50,520 That I feel like in a way, I, you know, I always had experiences as a child and I've 516 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:54,560 always been able to explain things and describe people that I wouldn't have any knowledge 517 00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:55,560 of. 518 00:30:55,560 --> 00:31:02,120 I've never met my parents, but I feel like that after these experiences, it has become 519 00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:05,080 more insightful, more aware. 520 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:09,360 And it has also made me want to be a better person. 521 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:15,640 It makes me want, when I write my books, there's a lot of good and evil, but evil or, you know, 522 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:20,080 evil is always, you know, there's always that battle and good always wins. 523 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:23,960 And I've even had people, you know, even one producer that says, I don't want to know 524 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:27,040 what to do with this because I want to sell it as a thriller, but it's almost a religious 525 00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:28,040 book. 526 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:35,160 And I would argue and say, you have to have, you can't fight, you have to have good to 527 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:36,160 fight evil. 528 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:39,600 You know, you have to have the holy to fight the demons. 529 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:42,520 So I feel like that that has inspired me. 530 00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:46,200 And I, when I go back and reread, because sometimes I sit and write and I have no idea 531 00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:51,840 what's spewing out of my mouth or as I'm writing until it comes down, I realized that I've created 532 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:57,840 some really beautiful messages within those pages that my, I've had readers that will 533 00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:02,080 contact me through my website, through my Instagram, through, you know, Facebook saying, 534 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:05,800 Hey, I read this book and this was really introspective. 535 00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:06,920 This really made me think of this. 536 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:08,400 This really made me think of that. 537 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,960 And some of my books, you know, they're scary because that's what I write. 538 00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:12,960 I write horror. 539 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:18,920 And I know, especially Sharon's last call, I had people, strangers, even one guy from 540 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:24,840 Australia, you know, saying, Hey, you know, this, this made me want to be a better person. 541 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:26,680 I can relate to this character. 542 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:33,320 I can, you know, I am this person, even with Tinney Hall, you know, I've had, you know, 543 00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:34,800 a woman that came and approached me. 544 00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:40,080 She was like, this, this book caused me to want to go ahead and go to a battered women's 545 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:43,520 shelter and get some help because I am this character. 546 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:48,880 And I feel like that those messages, I always had it in me, but I feel like the, the, the 547 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:55,160 experiences had made me want to fight more to get that message out there, that there's 548 00:32:55,160 --> 00:33:00,000 good out there, that there's love out there, that there is a God, that there is heaven 549 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,880 and that there is a place for all of us. 550 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:08,000 This show is not about paranormal investigation, but I have to ask you a couple of questions. 551 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,940 And I'm sure some people listening believe in them. 552 00:33:10,940 --> 00:33:11,940 Some people don't. 553 00:33:11,940 --> 00:33:13,480 That doesn't matter. 554 00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:18,240 Tell me about what is a paranormal investigation and what are you trying to do or prove or 555 00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:19,240 learn? 556 00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:24,680 A lot of times it is somebody's having disturbances in their homes and there are people that 557 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:29,360 drop in, that they're, you know, that, especially they have the dreams, you know, where loved 558 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:30,680 ones will visit. 559 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:35,880 But also sometimes, you know, and this may sound like the ugly side of it, but sometimes 560 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:42,840 we have to debunk it because sometimes what somebody thinks is a ghost is a rattling pipe 561 00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:44,400 or a creaking floor. 562 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,000 I mean, old houses settle. 563 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:54,280 And so when we go in, of course we listen and we interview, but we also go through and 564 00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:55,440 we do our own investigations. 565 00:33:55,440 --> 00:34:01,320 Of course we try to do EVPs, but I know sometimes like when I'm working with one person, they'll 566 00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:04,160 say, okay, walk through the house and see if you feel anything. 567 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:05,360 And sometimes I don't. 568 00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:07,800 A lot of times I don't. 569 00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:11,520 Sometimes I do, but a lot of times I don't. 570 00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:16,040 And my explanation is that doesn't mean that there's not something here. 571 00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:19,520 It's just, it's not making itself aware to me. 572 00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:23,520 And that's, you know, it's just not, I'm just not feeling that feeling it. 573 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:30,000 But there are times when we have gone into homes where there are a lot of times, oh, 574 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:31,000 it's a demonic experience. 575 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:32,000 It's a demonic. 576 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:37,720 As long as I've, the entire time that I've been doing this, I've only had one situation 577 00:34:37,720 --> 00:34:42,360 where it was something that was really felt like there was something evil in the house. 578 00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:48,160 Really it's just somebody visiting, it's loved ones or somebody that lived in the house that 579 00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:51,600 actually means absolutely no harm in the house. 580 00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:55,480 I've even gotten an EVP is like, is there anything you want to tell the people that 581 00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:56,640 are living in this house? 582 00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:58,120 Yeah, clean the house up. 583 00:34:58,120 --> 00:34:59,480 It's a mess. 584 00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:02,040 And because they don't like that. 585 00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:07,520 And so a paranormal investigator tries to provide some sort of understanding. 586 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:11,480 If it's a spirit that just needs to pass over, we try to do that. 587 00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:13,600 But it's also their decision. 588 00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:18,080 It's their decision if they want to look for the light and follow through the light. 589 00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:22,320 And it's, you know, I talked about the different realms and sometimes they're just not willing 590 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:27,760 to let go of the realm that of this realm, you know, because it's like they're just like 591 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:29,800 one next over. 592 00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:31,120 So there's some confusion. 593 00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:37,960 So what we do is we try to provide some understanding as to what is happening in their home. 594 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:42,600 I do know that sometimes people get frustrated because they just want me to say, oh, you've 595 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,680 got this ghost here and they're sending this message and they're doing that. 596 00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:46,800 And that's not always the case. 597 00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,680 In fact, more often than not, it's not the case. 598 00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:55,360 If there's a time when it is the case and the homeowners want that ghost or whatever 599 00:35:55,360 --> 00:36:00,600 it is gone and you're saying that that sorry, I'm just going to use the term ghost. 600 00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:02,200 I don't know what to call it. 601 00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:03,200 That's fine. 602 00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:04,200 Okay. 603 00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:06,680 Ghost spirit, whatever. 604 00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:11,720 If that, you're saying if that thing doesn't want to go, it doesn't have to go, right? 605 00:36:11,720 --> 00:36:12,920 They need to tell it to go. 606 00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:14,360 I can bless the house. 607 00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:19,800 I can encourage them to move on, but really the homeowners need to, they need to take 608 00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:24,400 charge and, you know, we can walk them through the process and tell them, you know, they 609 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:27,240 need to take the charge, tell them to move on. 610 00:36:27,240 --> 00:36:31,160 Like the candles, bless the house, whatever religion it is that they have, they're higher 611 00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:32,160 being. 612 00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:34,360 Sometimes they're just going to have to learn to co-exist. 613 00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:36,600 So it doesn't always work. 614 00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:38,800 They don't always leave, in other words. 615 00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:40,520 It does not always work. 616 00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:46,280 And it also depends on usually when it's a home, typically they can learn to co-exist 617 00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:47,280 with each other. 618 00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:54,320 Now, I have been in buildings and things like that and even hotels where some of the ghosts 619 00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,240 can be very aggressive. 620 00:36:56,240 --> 00:37:02,840 I've had ghostly bruises on me and scratches on me and they're not necessarily evil. 621 00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:04,760 They're just, they were cranky in life. 622 00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:06,160 And so now they're cranky. 623 00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:12,320 And I actually, there's a famous hotel in Texas that we go and visit a lot. 624 00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:15,160 And my son was, he was a sleepwalker. 625 00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:19,320 And I actually had a ghost that brought him back. 626 00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:23,200 I hear this knocking on the door and I open up the door. 627 00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:27,320 There's, you know, and I'm freaking out because I had already realized that Joseph was gone. 628 00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:31,960 And I see, and he was a, one of the rough writers, you know, and I brought Joseph in 629 00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:34,080 and he just kind of tilted his hat. 630 00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:38,240 And so I did an EVP session and I just wanted to thank him. 631 00:37:38,240 --> 00:37:39,240 It meant so much. 632 00:37:39,240 --> 00:37:42,560 And it was like, is there anything that you want anybody to know? 633 00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:45,480 And he's like, yes, my name is Michael. 634 00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:49,440 Because they always say, oh, the Minger hotel has got all of these rough writers and they 635 00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:52,520 tell all these different stories about the rough writers, but they never tell them his 636 00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:53,520 name. 637 00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:57,800 And it was important for him to tell what his name was. 638 00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:02,120 So whenever, because I still frequent the hotel a lot, and whether I see him or not, 639 00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:06,160 I'm always mentioning saying, hello, Michael, I hope you're doing well. 640 00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:10,560 And it was just that acknowledgement that he's an individual and he's staying there 641 00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:12,160 because he's happy there. 642 00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:13,560 Wow, that's interesting. 643 00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:16,480 What are the rough writers for those of us not from Texas? 644 00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:17,800 Well, that was okay. 645 00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:21,640 So they were, they were actually put together originally by Teddy Roosevelt and they were 646 00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:25,300 kind of a vigilante group that was trying to keep Texas safe. 647 00:38:25,300 --> 00:38:30,720 So they were just a group of soldiers like that was helping protecting the area from 648 00:38:30,720 --> 00:38:33,080 Indians and any other type. 649 00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,600 And they had their nice little uniforms and things like that. 650 00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:39,000 And they were all friends with Teddy Roosevelt because Teddy Roosevelt actually frequented 651 00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,040 this hotel quite a bit. 652 00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:43,960 And supposedly there's quite a few of them that are there. 653 00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:48,480 However, these guys, they were there to protect the peace. 654 00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:53,120 They were like, they weren't really police officers, but they kind of saw themselves 655 00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:54,680 as police officers. 656 00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:59,120 They were like soldiers, like vigilante soldiers, but they were good guys. 657 00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:00,120 That's interesting. 658 00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,600 How do people find your books if they want to read them? 659 00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:06,880 A lot of times again, they can just get them go through Amazon, GinaLanell.com. 660 00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:11,160 My books are available through my website or any online bookstore. 661 00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:12,160 Okay. 662 00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:13,560 And how would you describe them again? 663 00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:14,960 Their horror or what? 664 00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:19,440 Probably paranormal horror or they're there with supernatural. 665 00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:21,520 Not all of them really fall into the thrillers. 666 00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:22,640 It depends on what book. 667 00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:24,520 If they want something really scary. 668 00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:26,640 They probably want to read the Tenney Hall series. 669 00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:31,040 If they want something more spiritual, but still has a supernatural realm, they'll want 670 00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:32,800 Sharon's last call. 671 00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:39,520 And that is about people that are in a realm of death that are waiting to determine if they're 672 00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:43,640 going to cross over to their destination or if they're going to come back to life. 673 00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:48,640 Well, I've never been to a library and seen a paranormal horror section. 674 00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:51,840 So thank you for explaining. 675 00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:59,160 I know that my local library, they usually just display them, but I know that some of 676 00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:04,000 the books they have actually put in the thriller sections, mystery thrillers, and then, you 677 00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,560 know, like one of the keywords that would be paranormal. 678 00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:07,560 Okay. 679 00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:08,560 All right. 680 00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:12,040 Before we wrap up, I know you have some good positive things that we're going to, that 681 00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:18,880 we can come back to after talking about some of this in houses and hotels and things. 682 00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,520 What message do you want to leave with everybody? 683 00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:22,800 That is real. 684 00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:26,520 People are loved and they have nothing to fear. 685 00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:28,280 And you have no fear of death? 686 00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:29,720 No, not at all. 687 00:40:29,720 --> 00:40:34,320 How do people get to a point where they have no fear of death if they haven't had an experience 688 00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:35,320 like you have? 689 00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:37,000 Faith, faith in God. 690 00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:40,600 All right, Gina, thank you so very much for being with us again. 691 00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:42,120 You're welcome. 692 00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:45,120 Thanks again for listening and sharing this podcast. 693 00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:49,120 If you've had a roundtrip death experience, we would love to hear from you. 694 00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:52,400 Send an email to Eric at roundtriptest.com. 695 00:40:52,400 --> 00:41:20,280 Until then, I wish you everything good that you're looking for in this life and the next.