From the time that they pronounced me deaf was a good 45 minutes.
They cut my clothes and then they paddled my heart, my heart had stopped.
And I could see people screaming and crying, but I didn't realize that was actually my
physical body because I was somewhere else.
The only thing that I could feel, if you could imagine, absolute love and peace, there wasn't
anything else to be felt.
I was greeted by people I'd known in the past.
I'm back home again.
Incredibly safe and felt at home.
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Welcome to RoundtripDeath, everybody, and welcome to our special guest today, Brian
Jordan.
Brian, good morning.
Good morning, sir.
How are you?
I'm great.
It's good to talk to you.
More in person today than we have in the past.
And I just want to let our listeners know there's going to be some special things we're
going to talk about today, including your description of the love that you felt on the
other side.
It's a description that I've never heard before and I loved it.
So everybody keep listening and we'll find out what that is in a few minutes.
Anyway, Brian, hey, tell us a little bit about you.
I'm a heavy equipment operator.
I travel to the United States, building y'all's highways and roads and all that good stuff
and just a regular man that lives a regular life trying to treat everybody just like I
like to be treated.
I have kids and my mom and dad is still blessed to be with me.
Of course, they went through hell behind it.
But it's all good.
Pretty much it, man.
Just a regular guy.
Well, we need those equipment operators.
I have a brother-in-law.
That's what he does too.
And that is makes America that kind of work.
Yes, yes, yes.
So we appreciate you.
Hey, let's go back just a few years ago to when you had a widowmaker.
We like to call him that because they sound dramatic widowmaker heart attack.
And this was just less than three years ago.
So this is still pretty fresh.
I know you haven't talked about this a ton.
So it's OK if memories are still coming back to you.
But prior to October 3 of 2020, how was your health and what led up to this?
I asked the doctor.
My health, I worked out in a gym.
I was in a gym four days after the week.
I ate good.
I did everything.
I thought I was doing everything I was supposed to.
I was in really good shape when I had my heart attack.
So what the doctor told me, I had a block stent because everybody was looking at me
in the hospital.
I was like, what are you doing in here with a heart attack?
But things happen.
Yeah.
What was your age at that time?
I was 53.
OK.
So nice and young.
Yeah.
And what were you doing that day when it hit?
Oh, I was at work.
Was that work?
I was on my bulldozer.
And all of that started from the, like I was saying about the doctor, he told me it was
genetic.
And that's the only explanation he gave me.
He walked right out the door.
And my grandfather passed away from heart attack.
I never met him.
So that was young also.
He died in my mother's arms.
Yeah.
He died in my mother's arms.
She was like 16.
If you don't mind, give us some detail.
So you're driving a bulldozer, how do you feel?
What happens?
Do you just kind of drop over dead or what?
Run us through all of that day.
OK.
I got up that morning, man, and I felt great.
It was a Saturday.
We were supposed to get off early that day.
We've been putting in a lot of hours.
We tend to do that.
This was a round noon.
I stopped for my lunch to eat lunch.
I ate me a quick bologna, if you know about a jealous sandwich.
A lot of my friends won't eat that to that day.
Did you say bologna and peanut butter and jelly?
No, sir, peanut butter and jelly.
Yeah, just peanut butter and jelly.
I ate a sandwich.
I put my stuff away.
This was like at 12.
By 12.05, it was back in gear.
I was pushing.
And instantly my neck started hurting.
It was like a pressure.
And I never had that.
I've never felt that before, ever.
So I stopped.
I said, OK, this is different.
And I waited for it to go away, and it didn't.
So I climbed down off the bulldozer, and then my breathing started changing.
I had another friend working with me because we was building these wind farms, the big
giant fans that span around the country.
We were building one of those.
So I was a good waste from the office.
So I had a water truck driver with me.
I told him, hey, I said, you need to come and take me to the office.
I thought it was hard work.
When I got to the, you know, because it started going into my chest, and then my breathing
is starting to do tricks.
So when he got me to the office, I walked in and my medic was there.
And I told her, I said, I am having heartburn.
And she looked at me, and she knew it was more than I thought it was, because I'm going
to take you back a year before this, I was working in North Dakota.
I was working by myself, of course, on the bulldozer.
I had stopped for lunch, come back, started back working, and my girlfriend called me.
And she started randomly saying stuff, and then felt like something hit me in my chest,
like a hammer.
I got kicked in the chest.
And I told her, I said, my chest hurts.
And she knows when I say, if I say my chest hurts, that's something wrong, majorly wrong.
I'm not the hospital type.
She told me, get off the phone right now and call 911.
So I did that.
Well, before I did that, I hung up the phone with her and I checked my pulse.
When I checked my pulse, my heartbeat was all over the place.
I didn't even know a heart could beat like that.
And I'm like, instantly, I said, I am dying.
Fear came and gripped me.
And I'm like, I might have by myself.
I'm having a heart attack, and there's nobody here but me.
And I got scared.
When I tell you, I got scared.
Fear just grabbed me.
My son was getting on the plane.
I had got him a job out there.
So he's flying up there.
And here I am.
Nobody going to be able to be that again from that core because I'm dead.
You know what I'm saying?
So I had all this going in my head.
I'm about to die.
Fear had me by the throat, man.
And all of a sudden, something happened.
Something happened.
It was a peace.
And it like it fell down from the sky.
And all of a sudden, I went from being scared, panicking that I'm dying to, it was like a
flick of a switch.
I went from all that fear to straight calm because the peace was so strong, I started
looking around.
That's how strong it was.
It took all the fear out of my body.
Everything was gone.
The next, my next starts were, oh, it's okay to die.
That's just how good a feeling that was that was around me.
And eventually the pain went away, I was on the phone to 911 operators.
They got me to the hospital and they told me I had GAT chest, you know what I mean?
Chest congestion, whatever.
And I'm like, ah, that was too much.
I've never had chest congestion like that to where my heartbeat was beating like that.
That's what they told me.
So they just sent you home?
Yeah, they gave me something for indigestion and they sent me home and they said they did
not see anything on the machines that should have showed a heart attack.
So it makes sense then a year later when you did have the big heart attack that you thought
it was just indigestion or heartburn or something because you'd kind of been through this.
Yes, sir.
Exactly.
So that's what I told her.
Yeah, so you're in the office, but she knows it's more than that.
Yes, yes.
And then what happens?
She gave me Toms and then she gave me Aspen and she made me sit down.
And so my safety guy, they didn't heard about it.
So he comes over and he like, well, I'm going to take him over there.
Now our office let it rest.
That was not about to happen.
He stopped that immediately and said I wasn't going nowhere.
So she got on a computer and start doing by this time my chest, the pain was in my chest.
And so I'm like, I heard her saying something about amulets and I'm at work.
I'm like, just not sure.
No, it's too much.
I don't want that kind of attention.
You know what I'm saying?
I'm just the type of state of low key.
Sure.
It's going to be embarrassing if it's just indigestion again.
Man.
Oh, and I'm like, please go away.
Please go away.
And I can hear them.
Safety guy sits right across from me.
All my arms started hurting.
That's what happened.
And right then I said, I'm in trouble.
You know, I said, I'm in trouble, but I didn't freak out like I did the year before.
I wasn't afraid like I was.
And once my arms started hurting, oh, I knew that's heart attack.
I knew that was no doubt in my mind.
And I said, God, I said, if I did anything to offend you, I am sorry.
And I left it just like that.
And I start remembering the year before how that piece was.
So I just sat there.
I waited it, start waiting out.
And all of a sudden all my pain started going away.
And I told them I said my pain is going away.
And they said, good.
And a couple of minutes after that, I felt myself passing out.
And there ain't nothing I could have done about it.
I couldn't have said nothing.
I felt myself passing out, going to sleep.
And with my safety guy sitting neat to me with my last thoughts were, I hope he catch
me before I smash my face in that floor.
That was it.
And so when I opened my eyes, I was on the floor on my back and my medic, BJ, she was
on top of my chest.
She just pushed.
And she never saw me open my eyes.
So I was looking at her.
And I said, hey, oh my God, she jumped off of me.
She was leaning over me.
And let me tell you what I tell you, I scared.
I found out later that heart attack victims don't come back talking.
You know, that's just not what they do.
But that's not what happened to me.
So you broke all the rules.
I broke the rules.
And then her eyes was that big.
And she said, Brian, she said, your heart stopped.
And I said, oh, no, it didn't.
I said I was asleep because I was dreaming.
And she said, you should imagine her face when I say that.
And she said, Brian, you died.
And I'm like, no, I didn't.
Because I know what I was seeing.
And that's when I looked down and I saw they had cut my shirt off.
All these people starting to pile up in the door.
These pads were on my chest.
This machine was sitting here just talking and talking.
The one they plugged me up to, the AED, AED, whatever they said, that machine.
Was it a defibrillator?
Defibrillator, yes, sir.
OK.
Now is the ambulance there yet?
Or are they all just doing this in the office?
No, no.
I'm 50 miles from a small city.
I'm 80 miles from anybody that could help me.
Oh, wow.
So they're sending the ambulance as we, as all is going on, the ambulance is on the
way.
Actually, my boss was out of town driving in when the ambulance passed him.
And they was laughing.
I wonder what's going on with that.
And then they get a phone call, finding out it was me.
So now they're following me on the ambulance.
So I'm in the middle of nowhere, man.
I mean, we build those things way out in the middle of nowhere.
They got me off the floor.
I told them, get me all you telling me I was dead.
I mean, I didn't feel dead.
You know, I don't know what high it's supposed to feel.
But if that's the way it's supposed to feel, I'm good with it.
So yeah, they got me off the floor.
And so what happened is right when I passed out and start understanding what was going
on, I was in, I was up there with the stars.
I was among the stars because I remember seeing lights and I was just floating there.
But I didn't.
And I started seeing these things.
I can't remember what exactly they looked like, but I know when I was looking at them,
I was saying to myself, I said, okay, I said, this is not Earth stuff.
These things that I'm watching because what they were doing, they were shooting across
in front of them.
And they were like, I don't, I can't say they were ships, but they had to be some kind of
crap.
So I want to say crap because they were shooting across and behind them, they were leaving
these trails, these tales of like stars.
And they were going back and just putting on a show.
They were leaving these trails behind them and they were going back and forth.
And I said to myself, that's the first time I said, this stuff is not Earth.
I don't know what I'm looking at.
So I said to myself, okay, I fell out that chair.
So I'm dreaming.
Because you know, you have dreams that just don't make sense when you wake up.
You know what I'm saying?
So I'm figuring, I know that I'm dreaming.
I said, okay, I'm dreaming because what I'm seeing is I don't know what I'm looking at.
But they were putting on a show.
I tell you.
But you say those things were more like UFOs or more like angels or something or more
like, you know, astronomical things like planets, suns.
Man, when you go there and see that stuff, it's trying to put it into words.
And I can, I can't, my two things that I were thinking, because I can't remember seeing
the actual whatever it was, it could have possibly been angels doing that or some kind
of UFO, some kind of, some kind of shit or something that would leave a comet trail behind,
you know, but whatever it was doing, it was having fun with it.
And I was enjoying the show.
I just didn't know what I was looking at.
And that's okay.
It's okay if you don't know all that or understand.
Yeah, I cannot remember what they were.
Okay.
I didn't know I was in the stars in the universe first.
What did you see next?
It's like your channel turns on your TV.
So next thing, you know, I'm perfectly still and I'm in, I'm under this dome.
The dome looked like a cave to me because it was rock.
I could see all the rock, all the walls.
It was like the inside of a cave, but it was lit.
It was the rock was real pretty.
It was, it was an orange color.
And it went down and when it got to where there should have been, where the floor meets
the walls, then there was no floor.
The walls just stopped.
And I'm looking down where the floor should be.
And it was like, again, I'm looking into the universe.
I'm looking down into like we do here at night when we look up at the sky.
It's like I was in the under the dome looking down into the sky.
And they had these square, these cuts of stone, they were square.
There was two stones next to each other and there was a space from the next to it.
And these stones made a path just like you from the country that will always be that
that stone path to the front door.
So you won't walk in the mud or whatever, but they were side by side and they pray perfect
space.
And if you go to the right, they would even drop down a little bit, drop a little bit.
And then he went and turn the other side went, I looked left and it went, it was all the
way to the wall.
And where it went to the wall, there was a door and it looked like a old castle door.
It had a curve on the top.
I was standing square doors.
And so there in the door, there was somebody in the doorway.
And I'm like, I'm like, wow, because they were looking back at me, but I can see through
them.
So I'm like, wow, I can see through this person.
And he's still not knowing not one second that I'm even dead, you know, and I'm looking
at him and they're looking back at me.
And so we just looking at each other.
And then I said, he never moved from that doorway, never moved.
And I'm at a good distance away.
He's not like right there because he's so far away, I can't make out a face, you know,
but I could see there's something in the doorway and I can tell I can see through it.
So my mind started getting the best of me.
And I said, I want to go see what that is.
And as soon as I said is I took off like a bullet, I saved him faster than a bullet.
And it was so smooth.
You actually see stuff going by you so fast.
And I just thought it.
And dude, I was going so fast.
And when I got to where I'll call in my guide, when I got to where he was, I put him in the
door and I popped up above the door.
So here I took off a bullet went right up against the wall.
That was no sudden stop and no earth stuff.
It's just, whoop, I was here and then I was there.
And man, let me tell you, when I did that, my mind went crazy.
So in what way?
How did it go crazy?
Just excitement or?
I was so excited.
I'm like, how did I just do that?
How did I just go from here to there and I saw myself moving?
It wasn't a blink from one spot to the other.
I saw myself moving that fast.
And I got to the wall and I stopped.
Why I went to the top of the wall above the door above him is I've heard stories.
They don't let you see their face.
You know, some will hold you by the hand, but you can't never remember seeing the face.
So he wasn't going to let me see his face.
Him, her, I'm not sure.
So I popped up above him.
That was the whole thing to get me to the doorway.
Because after I stopped freaking out and realized, wait a minute, I came here to see this man
that I could see through and I looked down quickly.
You know, after all the excitement of me moving like that, and then I looked down real fast
because I forgot about him.
And there he was right up under me.
And he, you know, the path that I was telling you, he started floating.
He left and he floated right along that pathway.
And I was up against the wall up there watching him leave until I, he disappeared.
And then everything went dark, total darkness.
But a lot of people hear darkness, they fear.
I was never afraid not one time that I was there.
I didn't know what fear was or had no thoughts of it because none of it crossed my mind.
Regardless if I was in the light or if I was in the dark, fear just wasn't a part of me.
I noticed that each time I was going to these different places, I was changing because when
I was in the dark, I didn't ask no questions.
My soul was looking up.
I was, why I was looking up, I don't know.
In the first two parts of it, I was in control.
You know, looking around asking questions.
When I got into the darkness, I was just looking up automatically, I guess, but my soul knew
what was coming.
I didn't.
But why would I be looking up?
And then all of a sudden I saw a light and it was like a flashlight.
It was like somebody way out in the dark had a light like they were looking.
A man, that light turned on me and it was so bright.
I remember I threw my hands up or if I had hands, I don't know.
I threw them up to block the light.
Soon as I made that reaction, I was inside the light and it was a calm light.
Everything around me was calm.
It wasn't hard to look at.
Soft, soft, beautiful light.
And it was, I looked up, down around me, it was everywhere.
I said, okay, but I still wasn't freaking out like I was before.
Because each stage I go into, I was losing Brian and whatever I'm really am, it was coming
out and it was coming out.
I could tell because I stopped asking questions.
Something else was taking over.
I have a couple of questions before you proceed, if you don't mind.
Yes, sir.
Because I've been dying to ask.
So did you see what was beyond the door?
I want to know what's behind the door.
No, it was dark.
So the darkness you're talking about was like you went through the door and that's when
you were into the dark.
And then went into the darkness because him in the door, he was illuminated, but behind
him, it was dark.
Okay, got it.
But in the cave where I was, it was all lit up.
It was lit.
And I never saw where light source was coming from, but they say our souls are balls of
light.
So I could have been lightening up the whole place there myself.
I don't know.
Yeah.
Because when he moved from the door and I went in, then it was dark.
And this is a lot going on.
The people that were performing CPR on your body, did they tell you about how long your
heart was stopped?
They told me, if she told me four to five minutes, they didn't gauge it, but from the
time it took, you know, I just died right there and nobody was ready.
Yeah, that's a long time.
Mm-hmm.
Yep.
Okay, go ahead and keep going.
You're in this darkness now.
Yes.
And the light came and it took me in.
And as I'm waiting there, the front of the light start turning into a fog, start turning
into a fog right in front of me.
And so as I'm watching the fog, it start thinning out.
And then I can see past the fog and it was a blue sky.
And I'm starting to be nosy now.
And I'm like, I'm like, that looked like the sky.
And next thing you know, man, it was like, God, just grab me.
Dude, I went into this love and it was so strong because it just takes you.
It don't come, say, hey, come here, let me talk to you.
Nope.
It grabs you.
It's like you stick your hand in a high voltage line and don't die from it.
All that power running through and shaking you all through your body and you just lay
in it.
So beautiful.
It's the best love you can ever feel.
There's nothing on it.
There's no words to describe that feeling.
I used to cry every time I get to this part.
I'm gonna have done a lot better now.
So yeah, I used to get to this part, man, because that was out of everything.
I saw everything, I felt everything that happened to me that day.
There's nothing ever you can feel the way that love was running through my body.
And at the time or my soul or whatever was happened, I'm thinking really it was some
type of cleansing or something that I had to go through.
I'm not sure, but I know what it felt like and I never forget it.
And as I was laying there having all this zap through me, there's words right in front
of me that said forgiveness.
The next one said love and the next one said peace.
When I saw the peace, when it left, I came out of the light.
Is this the time that you were telling me about the other day when you described the
waterfall of love?
Yes.
It's like I was, as far as the power of Satanic falls, if you was to bow to grab you and stick
you under the bottom, all that force was coming down.
That's just another way of trying to describe it.
You know, that force of water where you normally would destroy you, but in that state, the
way that love, the way that power of that water was falling is like the power of the
love.
Or just like getting shot.
There's so many ways you have to try for us humans to understand what I'm trying to say.
So that's the best two ways I can describe it.
Using power is all power.
I like that.
Yeah.
And I hear people all the time as we're doing these interviews, trying to explain what that
love is like that they felt.
Nobody can do it very well.
You can't do it.
Everybody does it in a different way.
You have to, you have to feel it.
There's no way you can describe how all that, because we're humans, you don't, you don't
see that are no miracles, nothing like that being formed, not like that.
But I have all that just flooding through you and ain't nothing you're about to do about
it, but sit there and enjoy it.
It's like ecstasy.
The best feeling is the best feeling.
No.
And that's the best way I can describe it.
What's the closest time in, when you're on the earth, what's the closest thing that's
ever come to that feeling?
Nothing.
Nothing even close?
No, no, nothing, nothing will ever can touch that.
It's a whole new thing.
I get chill bumps just talking about it.
So isn't it hard to come back and not be feeling that anymore?
Or does some of that stick with you?
That's the hardest thing in the world is to come back.
That's the hardest thing.
That was the hardest thing.
Because after they got me off the floor, before the ambulance got there, they took me, I'm
getting ahead of myself, but just so I won't forget it later.
When I got back and they was all looking at me in that chair, sweating and wanting to go
to sleep, I would look up there.
I mean, they wouldn't even look at me because they couldn't do nothing with me.
I was just my friends.
We have family on the road.
They couldn't even look at me.
And while they were sitting there feeling sorry for me, I was feeling sorry for this
whole world.
And I'm like, man, y'all don't even realize what I just saw.
And everybody was sad.
And I was looking at them and I was sad for them.
And I was the one having the heart attack.
It's a whole different thing when you see that.
It's like when I came out to light, the while me moving fast, oh, what's that?
What is this I'm looking at?
When I came out of that light, I was all power.
I was all, with all I could ever want to be.
I was no more Brian.
I was thinking no human.
All of that was gone.
I felt like a God.
And I don't know how God's supposed to feel.
When I was in the sky, looking down and not tripping out saying, oh my God, I'm in the
sky.
Look, look, none of that.
All of that was gone.
I was calm.
I had peace flowing through me like peace, just like the love that I described.
You get that feeling with that peace.
It just flows through you.
That's not one thing on my mind.
No heart attack, no pain.
I didn't remember how I died.
I didn't even know I was even dead.
All I know I was right now is a superman.
And I can do anything that I wanted.
And I mean, just the thing is about Earth, I never remember nothing from Earth, not at
all, besides me falling out of that chair.
And that let me know, OK, you might be dreaming.
But then by the time I got to this part, I was all super power.
I was amazing.
I was strong, strong, strong.
And I knew I could do anything that I want.
And so as I'm up there in the sky, I'm looking down and I see these trees.
I see land.
So I start floating down out of the sky really slow.
I didn't move fast like I did.
I had no rush.
So I came down to the tops of these pine trees and I started looking at them.
And as I started floating down next to the trees, I'm looking at these needles.
They were so green, green needles on these pine trees.
And I could see all of them.
I could see and I could see them all, not just, you know, we have to look and focus.
And one thing I could see every all of the needles, every individual one.
And I floated down his trees and they went into the ground and then I floated backwards.
These trees were up on this cliff or something because that was a drop off.
And a rock or the sand or whatever was on the slopes that the drop off, it was the same
color as the rocks that was in the cave.
It had that orange look, real pretty orange look.
And I looked below that.
So now here I am floating over the most beautiful garden I've ever seen in my life.
When I looked down, I was caught.
The flowers caught.
They were so beautiful.
They were huge and they were sparkling.
They were just sparkling.
And the colors of these flowers were a thousand times ours.
Or we could take the most beautiful flower in this world and look at it.
That flower is going to be dull compared to that.
It has not even a chance sitting next to those flowers.
And it was like they were alive.
They were entrancing me.
I couldn't even look away.
There were millions and they were in this valley because I could see to my left and
I could see to my right.
And then flowers went for miles that it disappeared on each side and big valley.
And I could see the sun rays or not the sun.
I'm sure there ain't no sun over there.
There were white rays.
We have yellow ones from the sun.
The rays that came down from the sky were white.
They were thick, thick.
You knew they were there.
There was no, oh, I think I see some rays.
No, they were commanding out the sky.
And I'm not sure if that light that brought me there was still up there and that was the
way the rays were coming from.
I don't know.
But I knew I came back.
So it must have been sitting up there still.
So yeah, I'm looking left.
I'm looking right on and man, the thing about there is the flowers that I was looking at.
They had red ones and white ones.
I remember I zoomed in on two and there was a red one and white one sitting right next
together.
And I could still see the ones that were around them.
And I could still see left and right as I was zooming in on that flower.
I could still see everything.
Even zooming in blah, blah, blah.
It's all there where I could see it.
And as I messed around, I mean that garden had me so caught up.
I mean, a color you couldn't look away.
I could not look away.
And so I'm just drifting to the right real slow looking down at these flowers and then
the channel changed.
I'm back in the sky.
Nothing around me, nothing but big, giant blue sky and I'm up there just in the sky.
And then as I'm looking in front of me, it's hard to describe this too because you're looking
at a blue sky and then something like something shipped or something opened, something did
something.
And then that was these four bright lights, four white lights straight up and down.
And so as I'm looking at the lights, I could tell they were coming to me.
Oh, I was going to them.
I'm not sure.
But I knew they were getting bigger.
And as I'm watching them come, all these little lights just start popping.
All these lights man, start.
And now I'm looking around me and as these little lights circling and just having a grand
old time all over me and I'm looking like, wow, you know, look at these lights.
And then as the big ones came, they stopped in front of me, the big lights came and they
stopped.
And then all the little lights, it reminded me myself of a disturbed being as like somebody
hit the hive and then all of these out circling and running around.
That's how they were around me.
And then they all start shooting to the big lights from then they started at the top.
They was just going and going.
And so now I'm looking.
So I'm starting to see ahead.
I mean, these things are they all melting together.
So I see ahead, then they go down and they making a neck.
It's just like they filling in and they were all just steady shooting away from me.
And then they build, I watched them go all the way down to the bottom because after you
hit the shoulders, as they came down, the shoulders made a point and then they went
in into the light of the body.
So that lets me know he was holding his hands or his hands was behind his back.
After they filled him in down to the bottom, I looked up and he had his head down the whole
while they were making.
And man, his head was down if you could tell it's Chen was in his chest.
And when they finished, he lifted his head up.
I'm like, oh my God.
But I said that when I came back, but in my form, my spirit form didn't nothing need that
happen.
Surprised me.
It was just like I knew that's they that's God.
If that's how he pops up then, you know what I'm saying?
My soul wasn't amazed because I was I'd been there long enough to where I'm, you know,
I'm being almost too long if I'm supposed to go back because I was there a long time.
That's just the first time.
And man, he was it was so amazing.
And then he started as he he said that he was just looking at me.
Now imagine just looking at a man of all life.
You could see the structure of the face.
You could see the jaw bone and then the light start coming out the side of his head and
they were waving.
There were two waving lights and then another one popped out on the top and it was waving
like waving.
And I'm looking at him.
It's like, wow, he knows it all.
That's nothing that gets by him.
When I when this first happened to me, I was putting my story on everything.
I'm like, man, we have to see this.
We are so sleep.
We're so lost.
We all think in this one way and and it's not even that hard.
You know, all you got to do is love your neighbor.
And so somebody told me just before I even thought about writing a book or anything, you
know, somebody asked me about that.
And in one day they told me and they said, you sure that wasn't you?
And I'm like, I said, that's no way I can.
That's no way.
That was way too powerful.
That had to be God.
That's all I that's why I say the great one.
I don't even say God no more because looking at what I was looking at, that takes all that
out your mouth.
All that God.
That's not even a big enough word to support this power that I'm sitting here looking at.
And when somebody they mentioned that and I didn't I'm like, I see a name.
That's no possible way.
That's how could I be looking at myself?
But then you start learning about a higher self.
And so I dismissed that.
And that was like two years ago.
Was there any communication going on between the two of you?
No, you just saw him knew who he was.
No, he was right in my face.
I figured he was God.
But as a couple of years passed by others, you know, you meet spiritual people.
And just just I did a podcast last week.
And when I got to that point, people had he had another one.
That's, you know, there's a higher self.
You could have been looking at your own self because there's a little bit of us that comes
to earth.
But our main self is still there.
Now, you want to want to tell you something that blew my mind because I wasn't ready for
that.
I still don't know who he was.
You know, as a spiritual people, keep saying that could have been my own self and man to
imagine you being that powerful.
I thought I was powerful enough just floating around.
And now here I'm looking at something that's could possibly be me.
Now that blew my mind.
So on this particular day, and I'm sorry for interrupting on this particular day, you had
a couple of other times that your heart stopped.
We're still on the first time.
Is there very much more that happens?
Would you get us?
Go ahead and take us through that and the experience of getting back in your body.
If you remember that.
Yes.
Oh, yeah.
I remember that.
As he, as he was looking at me, he started flying in stock.
He went up and down and right.
He was just flying around and I'm looking at him and his head is turning and he's watching
me.
He never stopped looking at me.
When he got done doing that, he came back right back to my face and we looked at each
other and then he took off.
And this time he moved like I did in the first part because he moved so fast there were silhouettes.
He left silhouettes of himself.
That's when I opened my eyes on the floor.
Wow.
Stay with me until they fix me.
And you opened your eyes and they're doing CPR on you.
They're doing CPR and everything is going crazy.
Wow.
I just had the ride of my life.
He's coming in back into the body experience has kind of cracked me up.
They're so different.
Yeah.
I talked to somebody yesterday and his episode will probably be out before this one, but
he was in an operating room, was dead for a while.
I don't want to give away a bunch of details, but when he woke up, he had the sheet up over
his head because he was dead.
Oh yeah.
And he woke up and pulled the sheet down and sat up like, hey.
Oh, I bet he blew their mind.
And yeah.
And you freaked out the woman that was doing chest compressions on you, I'm sure.
Oh yeah.
Yes.
I know, although she must have just been so excited that it worked.
Wow.
Yes.
She said, I've done that a bunch of times and nobody has come back talking and you scared
me.
Wow.
Okay.
We don't want to go on for five hours today.
So if that's it.
Yeah, I know because I can, it's a long one.
Yeah.
It's okay.
It's awesome.
And I love the detail.
The first one is just the longest.
Okay.
Yes.
Let's talk about those.
Does the ambulance get there before number two heart stoppage happens?
Yes, sir.
The ambulance got there and they put me in the ambulance and soon as they hooked me up
to all these wires or whatever, I closed my eyes.
This time when I, the first time I died, I didn't feel nothing.
I just felt myself passing out.
But this time I felt a jerk.
It was like a jerk.
And then I was standing next to my butt.
I couldn't see nobody else in the ambulance.
And I was looking, I was just close to my face.
So a jerk, like someone jerked your spirit out of your body?
Yep.
That's interesting.
Like it, like it didn't roll in.
Like it didn't really want to come out, but it was forced because I'm not getting any,
nothing to my heart.
I'm 99% blocked.
Yeah.
So, yeah, it's like it, I came back and then, you know, I guess I'm supposed to be here,
my body like it couldn't hold.
And so I died again.
And I'm standing there looking at my face.
My head was turned to the side.
My eyes were closed and my mouth was open because I could see the top row of my teeth.
Honestly, I didn't even know what I was.
I was looking at my face.
I called myself and it, I didn't like, what is that?
I didn't want to have nothing to do with it.
I didn't feel nothing for it.
It was useless, a useful piece of dirt to me.
Pretty much what it was.
Yeah.
You were done with that dirty old body.
My soul did not want nothing to do with my body.
And that's, it trips me out how people, you get these people that figure that God gives
to women and men and you know what I'm saying?
Thinking you all, and then when your soul actually jumped out to everybody, it's going
to look at you a whole different way than the way you look at yourself.
Because it cared nothing.
And so after I sat there and tried to figure out what that was I was looking at because
I never knew, never even knew it was me.
I was gone.
And this time I was, I was in this place and I was floating and it was this in front of
me was this big huge circle.
It's huge.
And they had flowers all inside this circle.
Each flower's had a group, the green and blue ones, whatever.
And he all made up this one circle.
And as I looked at this circle, it was, it just comes to say all of these represents
different people, different languages, different cultures, but they all are inside that one
circle.
And they must know we are all one, even though I look different from you or talk different
from you, but I can't hate you because I don't know you.
You know what I'm saying?
It's just we are all one.
We just can't see that here because everybody wearing different suits.
You know what I'm saying?
So that's the way, I mean, and I never had to think about it or nothing.
When I came back, that's what I said.
And that's what comes out.
And I will say it and tell the fourth time, which is not for me to go.
So from there, and this, this part here, like I said, after I, after I was looking at these
flowers and got my explanation, the channel changed.
Now I'm inside this white room.
Beautiful, white, white, shiny white.
It was so white, it made me pay attention to the whiteness of this room, the wall,
ceiling, floor, everything was shiny white.
And they had podiums there, like they have in museums.
And they had these animals sitting on top of these podiums in this white room.
I'm thinking like a museum type place because the animals were statues.
And these animals, they were these dogs that the Egyptians drew on the walls.
I remember seeing growing up are these black Egyptian dogs because in the way they drew
them on the wall, they would draw a long pointing nose with a ball on the end.
I don't know if you ever remember seeing that growing up and had the pointy ears.
Sure.
Yeah.
And there was a whole dog.
There was a statue, but that it looked just like the way they drew them, not the way a
real dog looks.
And they were, they were, oh, it was quite a few of them in this room, in this white
room.
And it just made me give this, have this museum, like they were on display.
You know, I've done studies.
I don't know how much it ties in with the studies, but I heard those dogs were their
protectors.
And in the afterlife, they would have them cross over.
So after I looked at the dogs, till this day, I was wondering why I was there looking
at that stuff.
And it made me think, maybe I had a past life in that time.
You know, maybe I would, you just never know, man, and we won't never, we can't figure
that stuff out, but you'll know when you leave.
I guarantee that.
So after, after the museum, I was like back in space and I was looking down at the earth
and the earth might have been the size of an orange from my distance of where I was.
And I'm looking at it.
The blueness of this earth was so, it was so beautiful, deep blue that it was glowing.
It was glowing.
And that was a mist that like that fog that I was in, in the first part in the light,
that mist, it had that mist around the earth.
And I was, and it was so blue, and the earth was so blue, it was still, it was still pulsating
through the mist.
You could, and it was so beautiful.
And after I looked at that, I'm like, how could something be so beautiful?
How so much evil killing it?
All this stuff, but from my distance, it was beautiful.
I mean, it was beautiful and it was round.
It wasn't flat.
Don't worry, I'm not in the flat earth or category.
But I'm just saying, I'm against some slack, man.
I know.
But I'm familiar with that philosophy.
I find it humorous.
Oh, yes.
Yes.
So from then, my channel changed, I saw so much other stuff flash in front of me, and
I can't remember those.
I can't remember.
So when I opened my eyes in Amulet, everybody that was just looking at me, and they were
just looking at me.
So I'm like, I say, what happened?
She said, oh, we had to shock you again.
I said, oh, I said, okay.
So we waited on the helicopter to get there because I was way too far for them to be transported
by the ambulance.
So I heard the helicopter come in and put me in the helicopter.
Yeah, it was a small helicopter, I was surprised.
And so they stuck me in there.
And there was this guy in the back with me, while the other two flew or one, whoever I
can't remember.
And I was just looking out the window and joined the flight, but every time I would look back
at him, he was watching me like a hawk.
Just in case this guy dies again.
I tell you, because I had already coded twice and they knew it.
Yeah.
Yeah, and he made his money that day.
Every time I took a peek over there, he was watching me like a hawk.
So they got me to the hospital and they were yelling, oh, blockage, blockage.
They got me in there and they stripped all my clothes off and start prepping me for surgery.
And I remember I was freezing, freezing.
Now I went from sweating to freezing.
So I'm laying on that cold table, my arms on my side of me.
And then that time I just left.
And when I came back, my arms were over my head.
And so I asked the guy, I said, they was just working.
Nobody was, you know, they was just working.
So I said, hey, I said, wasn't my arms on my side?
And he said, yeah, he said, you didn't feel that?
I said, no, I said, feel what?
He said, man, when we shocked you, you see your whole body almost blew off the table.
We had to reset you.
And that's when your arm, he said, you didn't feel that?
I said, no, I didn't feel that.
I didn't want to feel that.
Yeah, you weren't even there.
No, I was gone, gone, man.
And they, they, they, they wrestled me again.
And here I am.
This time I'm in front of the, it reminded me of a chair.
It reminded me of a chair, man.
And it was so old.
It was old, old.
It didn't have a backrest, but it was, it was the size, maybe three or three, four story
building, but it looked like a foot stool.
It didn't really look like a chair.
It looked more like a foot stool, but it was huge.
It was gigantic.
So at the top, I can't remember the details of it.
I can't remember of the details of it, but there were some I do.
At the top, there were green vines growing down from the top on down the sides and they
went all the way down to the floor.
These vines were beautiful.
The colors, man, up the stuff there, it's just, it's just everything you look at, you're
going to look at it more if you just don't look away.
And on this vine, they had these yellow flowers.
They, they, they reminded me of two flowers and they were beautiful.
And they were growing down these vines all the way down to the floor.
And what held this box or chair, whatever it was, the wood was old, old, and it was
carved and it was carved footing.
They were carved wood.
And they, you could tell just looking at it, it was ancient old, by the way it looked.
So whatever I'm looking at was really old.
And you know that bothered me for a couple of years.
I kept looking for flowers.
I kept looking for them to see anything that was close.
And do you know just a few weeks ago after three years, a few weeks ago, I finally found
yellow flowers that look like those.
And you know the name of them?
No, what are they?
Creamy yellow angels trumpet.
Now imagine the name of that that I found.
It could be a coincidence, of course, but they look exactly like the ones that I saw
and look at their name.
Creamy yellow angels trumpet.
Yeah, I'll Google that as soon as we're done.
Yes, yes.
All right.
Did you see anything else on this third experience that was new from the first two besides that?
No, sir.
I think I had stuff flashing after the chair that I can't remember.
And some of that will probably come back to you.
Yeah.
It's normal for it to take some time.
Yeah.
I think it's two years because the first podcast I did, I took the followers right to the light
because I couldn't remember the beginning beginning, but from the light to seeing the
light man, I'd never forget that part.
But I just wasn't, I didn't know what the beginnings were, but all that's that.
I had to change my book because I wrote it before my memory.
So when I started editing, then that's it.
Oh, I had to change that.
That's not how it happened.
And these things can take, you know, this can take a few days for all the memories to
come back for some people.
It takes a few years and that's okay.
And some people that I've talked to have said, I learned all about such and such like the
creation of the world.
I know that I learned all about it, but I don't remember it now.
But I know that I learned it.
Yes.
I knew I was seeing some stuff that I can't remember what they are in the beginning until
this day I'm like, what were they, but they were shooting across, leaving sparkling trails
and I was having fun.
And I even know what I was looking at.
Yeah, that's awesome.
I want to get back to this, seeing all these lights come into a formation that at first
you thought was God.
Yes.
Besides a few people telling you, no, maybe it was something else.
Maybe it was your higher self.
Has anything else happened or memories that would lead you to believe that that wasn't
God?
No.
Okay.
I believed in my soul.
That was God, you know, like I said, it's still new to me.
Five years later, I'm probably going to say something different.
If I were you, I would stick with those first thoughts that came to you.
They were probably the ones that are right.
And don't let somebody change your mind that maybe it was something else.
Yeah.
And you know, as far as me, it don't even matter what it was.
You know, I know what I saw because I was raised in a religion.
You know, you don't just die and go to heaven.
You got to go through all this other routes and rules and regulations.
But when I saw what I saw, when I left my body, the way I felt what I felt, I don't
care what nobody said.
Good.
I know where I'm going when I leave to you.
That's great.
So it doesn't matter who he wants.
It's just the fact that I went on a grand tour.
And speaking of religion, has your beliefs or thoughts about your faith changed since
this happened?
Everything changed.
Tell me about that.
How has it changed?
I don't see because I'm going to have to let me let me try and explain this man.
And it's going to be really, really hard when you leave here and come back.
It's like you left the box.
It's like you jumped out of a little bitty box.
So when you come back, you're not in that box anymore.
What everybody else is.
So that's what makes it hard.
You know what I'm saying?
All people have, if they're religions, their beliefs, that's all you're taught.
That's all you program to know.
You know what I'm saying?
You choose whatever you believe in.
But when you get out of that box and come back, none of that makes any sense to me anymore.
It's like all of these are earth rules, earth stuff.
Because when I left earth, I never remembered nothing else from it.
So as far as religion, no, religion, my thing is the universe was rolling way before religion
came here, before man started religion.
So whatever happened to you in that time before the universe was rolling, the universe hasn't
changed.
So when you come with your rules and saying this and this is where it's supposed to go,
after you leave here and go there and come back, you don't see it that way.
And as nobody walking this earth, it can tell me different.
Nobody.
It changes your mind.
Everything is different.
Like I said, I felt sorry for humans when I came back.
And then I went into the depression and all the other stuff that comes with that.
It's a weight.
It's a weight to carry.
And I love carrying.
So just to clarify, would you say that what you experienced contradicted your religion
or it just was such a higher level, you realized the religion you had been, church you had
been going to didn't really matter anymore.
It didn't matter anymore.
And I tell you another thing and I can tell everybody else this.
You're going to forget when you leave here.
You're not going to remember going to your church.
You won't remember none of that.
It's all going to be gone.
Just that simple.
And I know it's hard to understand.
How about memories of your loved ones?
Those will be there.
You take the good when you leave here.
Your family, they all are there.
Everybody's there because everybody talks about it.
I didn't go that far.
All I can tell you, I didn't remember nothing from this place.
It was all gone.
So whatever you think you're doing, right?
I don't know.
Nobody's believes believe in what you think you have to believe in.
But if you had the chance to die like me and come back, you will be talking totally different
to me.
So has it helped you to talk to other people that have had experiences like this?
Oh, I had to, man.
I was I was a lost cause.
I was so lost and confused because I grew up in religion.
The first of all, I was happy that I wasn't in the hell.
I was so happy.
And then I have to, okay, what did all these thoughts go through my mind now?
Okay, I had to find somebody.
I couldn't talk to regular people.
You know, nobody understand me.
I had to find people that it happened to and I did.
So I went on these near death accounts and listen and learn and start talking to people.
And I met this friend.
Her name is Lisa.
And she had to work with me, man.
I mean, okay, all this you in your mind that you grew up with now, you saw something totally
different.
I needed help.
And I grew a lot.
I had a million questions even because in my mind, when I see that come back, it's telling
me everything's okay.
But what you drilled and growing on, that's not the way.
But when I laid in my hospital bed, I will never forget this.
He never said nothing to me when I was looking at him.
But when I came back and I was laying in my hospital bed so overwhelmed about all what
I saw, a little voice right in my head said, Brian, heaven is easy.
It's all about love.
And when I heard that, I said, and you know, when I left that hospital, I jumped in this
within both feet.
I had to find somebody that said that.
And do you know most of the accounts that I've read, they said, just what I said.
So that confirmed it.
Whatever was being said in my ear was being confirmed by all these other near death experiences.
It's all about love.
And that's why I will say until the day I leave here, honestly, I mean, I left and I
couldn't remember nothing from here.
But yet I'm supposed to be judging from his big bad God and all of that.
You didn't fill any guilt.
Any guilt.
As far as.
Well, you weren't perfect.
I'm not perfect.
Nobody's perfect.
No, no, no.
And some of us are, some of us are afraid we're going to get over to that other side and
oh man, the guilt from all the imperfections, you know, things maybe I did, I shouldn't
have any of that feeling.
That was gone, sir.
That was gone.
All of that was gone.
That was no guilt.
It seems to me like that pure love that you explained, the waterfall and everything of
love is so contrary to the feeling of guilt that they can't really exist in the same place.
Is that how you felt?
They can't.
Yeah.
That's too power.
It's too different there.
It's too different.
People think when you leave here, you're going to have your same mind.
Just like your thoughts.
Oh, you know, I can't, I serve God this way.
Oh, I've even heard that, you know, Brian, I didn't go to nobody's church.
Everybody was like, how did I get the opportunity to see that?
God lets me know God is so much bigger than us.
When you, when you, when people leave here, you will not remember your religion.
All of that stuff is you're going to take the good and you're going to go back to your
higher self or back to wherever you came from.
People that may be walking around afraid of death, what would you say to them?
It's hard to say, it's hard to say, oh, it's going to be okay if you haven't seen, you
know what I mean?
So all the best I can say is, all you do is go to sleep.
You don't, it don't, death don't hurt.
All I know is death freed me.
I was free when I died and that's the best I could tell him.
You're going to be free.
All this weight, no bills, no, none of that, no worries.
You're going to change and you're going to be powerful.
You're not going to think like you did thought here on this earth.
All of that is going to stay here and you're going to be free.
Lastly, I'm going to give you the floor here.
I'm not going to ask you a question except to say, leave our listeners with whatever
Brian thinks is really important today.
What is important with Brian is loving your neighbor.
You love your neighbor.
Do good to people.
You don't have to worry about dying or bad things happen.
And also we make mistakes.
I came back, I make mistakes.
I died three times.
I am human.
That's what we do.
But in all that, we need to find the love and in anything that we see, maybe arguments,
it take, we take one and say, okay, I have to find a love.
There's love in here some way to fix this.
You know, if everything is about love and we have to try and figure it out, but I could
tell you live your best life and don't be afraid to die.
We are here to live this life, not to be here afraid of it.
And what's going to happen when we leave?
Love your name and you're going right back to the light.
That's a great message.
Thank you.
If people want to hear more about your story, where do they find it?
You had mentioned a book.
What's it called and where do they find it?
Yes, sir.
I have a website called deathfree.com and also the book is on Kindle.
I have an ebook on Kindle and I just finished the paperback.
So the paperback will be available in the next couple of days.
All right.
We'll put that website in the show notes so everybody can find it.
Brian Jordan, thank you so much.
This was fascinating today.
Yes, sir.
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