1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:08,480 From the time that they pronounced me deaf was a good 45 minutes. 2 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:13,440 They cut my clothes and then they paddled my heart, my heart had stopped. 3 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:18,120 And I could see people screaming and crying, but I didn't realize that was actually my 4 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:21,320 physical body because I was somewhere else. 5 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:27,400 The only thing that I could feel, if you could imagine, absolute love and peace, there wasn't 6 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:29,400 anything else to be felt. 7 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:32,520 I was greeted by people I'd known in the past. 8 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:34,160 I'm back home again. 9 00:00:34,160 --> 00:00:36,800 Incredibly safe and felt at home. 10 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:44,280 Welcome to Roundtrip Death, everybody, and we're happy to have on the show with us today 11 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:45,760 Daniella Gordon. 12 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:47,520 Daniella, how are you? 13 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:48,520 I'm doing very well. 14 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:49,040 Thank you. 15 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:50,160 How are you? 16 00:00:50,160 --> 00:00:51,280 I'm great. 17 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:52,440 It is such a pleasure. 18 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:58,680 We have talked a couple of times already and got to know each other a little bit and 19 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:00,560 people are going to really like you today. 20 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:06,400 They're going to like your honesty and your experience and everything else. 21 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:10,200 So and you're in Baltimore, Maryland, right? 22 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:11,200 Correct. 23 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:12,200 Okay. 24 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:15,440 Do you want to tell us a little bit more about you? 25 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:16,440 Sure. 26 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:20,400 So I'll be 56 soon. 27 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:27,080 I have three amazing children that are all adults. 28 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:35,160 I've been married and with my husband off and on for over 40 years since junior high 29 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:36,160 school. 30 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:39,240 We've been best friends since then. 31 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:43,680 I went to college and studied psychology, which I really loved. 32 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:50,680 And then I continued more education and I practiced radiology for a while more in the 33 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:58,640 trauma, critical care, intensive care, operating room, an emergency room, and my specialty, 34 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:01,920 of course, was trauma as well as orthopedics. 35 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:03,000 I really loved that. 36 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:09,200 I thought I had the best life then because of course, the income was good. 37 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:13,760 I was just happy all around. 38 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:16,680 Until I had my car accident, everything changed. 39 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:24,480 However, after I do talk about what happened, it kind of really happened to push my purpose 40 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:25,480 more forward. 41 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:26,480 All right. 42 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:30,360 We'll get into all the detail of that here in just a minute. 43 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:34,000 So three grown kids, any grandkids yet? 44 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:35,000 No grandchildren. 45 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:40,720 My 31-year-old just got married a little less than a year ago, so hopefully soon. 46 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:44,080 Well, I will tell you, they are the best. 47 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:45,360 I can't wait. 48 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:47,640 They are absolutely the best. 49 00:02:47,640 --> 00:02:55,000 So I wish you many grandchildren one of these days at the right time and all that kind of 50 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:56,000 stuff. 51 00:02:56,000 --> 00:03:00,800 So, Daniela, oh, one thing you left out. 52 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:03,440 You're allowed to brag about yourself a little bit. 53 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:05,960 You're working on a PhD right now. 54 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:06,960 I am. 55 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:09,680 Actually, I'm done. 56 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:17,360 It's just the last piece is the grading of the dissertation because it is a 10,000 word 57 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:18,360 one. 58 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:20,960 It's pretty long and really interesting. 59 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:24,720 It takes a little while for them to grade it. 60 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:28,400 So yeah, I have about another month and a half to two months and I'll have my doctorate 61 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:29,400 as well. 62 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:34,360 And this stemmed from this experience that made me go in this direction. 63 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:35,360 Congratulations. 64 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:39,000 I'm going to just start calling you doctor if that's okay. 65 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:40,000 You can. 66 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:41,000 I'd rather wait though. 67 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:42,400 I'm very humble, Eric. 68 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:44,640 I'm a very humble doctor. 69 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:47,000 Dr. Danny, how's that? 70 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:48,000 Oh, my goodness. 71 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:50,480 It's going to be a big difference. 72 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:51,680 All right. 73 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:57,440 Let's go back in time quite a few years leading up to your near death experience, bad car 74 00:03:57,440 --> 00:04:00,000 accident, but give us a little background. 75 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:01,600 What was happening that day? 76 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:05,120 What led you to that specific moment in time? 77 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:12,120 So it's very interesting that you are the only one that actually asked pre, which is 78 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:21,120 kind of interesting because that day in the evening we were invited for a holiday dinner. 79 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:22,960 It was during the winter. 80 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:26,320 It was in December of 1997. 81 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:32,240 And the strangest thing that I couldn't figure out, of course, until after the fact was, 82 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:35,440 you know, in the winter us women don't care. 83 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:38,960 We don't want to shave our legs every day and look pretty and all that. 84 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:44,640 And that night, that evening, late afternoon when I got in the shower, I was like shaving 85 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:45,640 my leg. 86 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:50,320 Like I was getting ready for something and I didn't make sense, but I was compelled. 87 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:54,880 We were after, you know, getting ready and everything. 88 00:04:54,880 --> 00:05:01,240 My oldest son, who was five years old at the time, and two of my nephews who always wanted 89 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:07,160 to be with our aunt, Daniela, we got into my car and my husband actually got into his 90 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:12,680 truck and was driving behind us because he did have to take a ladder over to where we 91 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:16,880 were going for to get on the roof or something like that. 92 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:21,600 So he was actually right behind us when the accident happened. 93 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:28,040 When we had left the house, we were driving down one of the main roads by us and an old 94 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:36,120 man ran a stop sign and hit the right front end of the car where my son was sitting. 95 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:41,360 However, from the impact, I got all the impact where I was crushed and not my son. 96 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:49,720 And I'm so grateful for that because I literally would have been living a nightmare every day. 97 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:53,880 Had my son gotten the injuries, got forbid, you know, that I did. 98 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:54,880 Yeah. 99 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:56,000 That would have been horrible. 100 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:57,520 So was he okay? 101 00:05:57,520 --> 00:05:58,520 He was. 102 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:04,640 When my husband saw the crash, of course, he jumped out of his truck and he didn't realize 103 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:10,160 that I wasn't breathing only because when he looked in the car and my husband's a retired 104 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:11,840 police officer now. 105 00:06:11,840 --> 00:06:16,680 So he's trained to look for the most serious injuries and he absolutely did the right 106 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:21,280 thing as I think any mother would sacrifice their life in a heartbeat without even thinking 107 00:06:21,280 --> 00:06:23,080 twice for their kids. 108 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:26,960 But my son did have a little bit of blood underneath his nose. 109 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:29,880 So my husband went right over to him. 110 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:31,400 Now I couldn't breathe. 111 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:38,600 So I started beeping the horn like very aggressively just because I needed help. 112 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:41,080 I just couldn't breathe anymore. 113 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:46,520 But he, you know, he was with my son and in the accident, the way the car was hit, I got 114 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:51,480 completely crushed and my left leg was caught under the dashboard. 115 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:57,200 And I think my head broke the mirror as well, like the rear view mirror definitely did. 116 00:06:57,200 --> 00:07:04,360 I sustained an enormous amount of injuries, but leading up to where I had passed away, 117 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:09,560 once I was hit, immediately I knew that I just, I couldn't expand my lungs. 118 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:11,080 I couldn't breathe. 119 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:18,800 I could not get an ounce of oxygen into myself. 120 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:24,880 And next thing I knew, my entire life literally flashed in front of me. 121 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:31,320 Right after all that, every worry that I could possibly have ran in front of me. 122 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:33,360 And of course it was all about my son. 123 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:35,320 Like I said, I knew I was going to die. 124 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:38,040 I couldn't breathe and I knew I was going to die. 125 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:40,280 That was a given already at that point. 126 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:43,800 And I just interrupt and asked one quick thing. 127 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:46,800 Some people have what they call a life review. 128 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:52,080 Would you say that that's what your life flashing before your eyes was or was it kind of different 129 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:53,080 than that? 130 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:57,360 Yeah, no, it was definitely a life review. 131 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:02,480 Everything flashed in front of my eyes and it happened so quick, so quick, but everything 132 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:03,880 was there. 133 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:06,600 And then it went to, you know, every worry. 134 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:11,760 And of course with my son being in the car and my nephew, I knew that my nephews were 135 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:14,320 okay because I did check. 136 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:18,760 I remember every worry I had, like is my son going to be okay? 137 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:21,360 How is he going to grow up? 138 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:22,400 What's going to happen? 139 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:29,000 You know, every kind of worry about your child, about my child ran through my head. 140 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:30,800 And then that was it. 141 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:32,840 I ended up somewhere else. 142 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:33,840 Okay. 143 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:38,880 So you didn't have the experience of going down the tunnel that some people do. 144 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:40,240 Certainly not everybody does. 145 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:42,120 Seeing the light, all that kind of stuff. 146 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:45,520 I think mine was so immediate, Eric. 147 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:49,840 You know, it happened so fast and it was a really hard impact. 148 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:50,840 It was pretty bad. 149 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:59,160 My understanding was 911 had never received so many calls as they did for this accident. 150 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:00,320 It was pretty bad. 151 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:04,640 Well, and that doesn't make your experience any less real. 152 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:07,800 The fact that you arrived there quickly. 153 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:09,800 Can you tell us where there was? 154 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:16,520 Well, it was definitely somewhere I had never been before or never seen much less ever experienced 155 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:17,880 what I did. 156 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:26,240 I remember right when I got there, my physical dead body was in front of me. 157 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:29,640 I wasn't floating or hovering or anything like that. 158 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:35,080 Actually, to the contrary, I felt very grounded, Eric, extremely grounded. 159 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:41,200 I remember my head was positioned to the left and my feet were to the right. 160 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:47,160 And it was, I can't, you know, I didn't hear any voices or anyone talking to me. 161 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:52,360 It was more like a very distinct knowing you just knew. 162 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:58,880 You could call it some form of mental telepathy, like a telepathy type of understanding. 163 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:05,920 But I realized, Eric, that what I was supposed to do was take a really good look at my physical 164 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:12,640 dead body and say goodbye to it, which is what I was basically doing. 165 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:13,840 That's interesting. 166 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:19,000 So was there more, you said you just knew, was there more than that that you knew at 167 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:20,680 that point? 168 00:10:20,680 --> 00:10:28,840 So I remember right away after saying goodbye to my body, I had, I was saying to myself, 169 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:32,960 my soul, because my soul was still alive outside of the physical body. 170 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:35,280 I was totally away from it. 171 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:39,600 And I remember saying, oh, my, this is, this is home. 172 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:41,440 I mean, we all have houses. 173 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:46,840 We all have, you know, different places that we live in here on earth. 174 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:49,680 But that was truly home. 175 00:10:49,680 --> 00:10:54,560 There was no doubt or question in my mind about it. 176 00:10:54,560 --> 00:11:00,160 It was the most extremely peaceful place. 177 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:04,320 We have nothing to compare it to here. 178 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:10,560 I get that question actually a lot because people will ask me, Daniela, how, how can 179 00:11:10,560 --> 00:11:14,160 you describe the peacefulness that you experience? 180 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:17,600 And I will literally ask them, what makes you peaceful? 181 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:24,080 You know, some people will say lighting candles, listening to certain music, taking a warm 182 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:25,080 bath. 183 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:28,440 Everybody has different things that are, makes them feel peaceful. 184 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:35,760 And of course, my, my immediate response is try to multiply that by infinity. 185 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:43,200 So you see, it's impossible because we just don't have anything anywhere like it here. 186 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:44,200 Yeah. 187 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:49,400 Are there any more words than peaceful that you could add to it to help us understand that 188 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:50,400 feeling? 189 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:51,400 Absolutely. 190 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:56,200 So let me explain what I saw because I think that will kind of also help. 191 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:57,200 Please do. 192 00:11:57,200 --> 00:11:58,200 That'd be great. 193 00:11:58,200 --> 00:11:59,200 Yeah. 194 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:05,920 And what I experienced, I will tell you when I first got there, the colors there were a 195 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:10,160 huge contrast of black, gray, and white. 196 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:15,960 I was not presented colors yet in the beginning. 197 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:23,800 Everything was very distinctive, gray, black, white, and I was able to see infinity in front 198 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:30,280 of me because one thing I did do was look around everywhere and observe a lot that was, 199 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:31,920 you know, there. 200 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:36,360 And what I can tell you clearly is there are no walls. 201 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:39,720 There is no flooring or grounds. 202 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:41,800 There is no time. 203 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:44,000 There is no schedule. 204 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:46,240 There is no weather. 205 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:49,880 There's a lot of things that are not there that we have here. 206 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:56,960 However, it is the most peaceful, tranquil, serene place you could ever be in. 207 00:12:56,960 --> 00:12:58,280 Beautiful. 208 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:00,680 What did infinity look like? 209 00:13:00,680 --> 00:13:01,680 Endless. 210 00:13:01,680 --> 00:13:04,640 It was so endless. 211 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:12,120 Was it like solar systems and planets and space or people or? 212 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:15,480 At that time, again, it was still the gray, black, and white. 213 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:23,760 So if you're looking straight ahead, for example, I guess you could try to imagine driving down 214 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:31,920 a dark road with no headlights, with no street lights, but yet there's that glare of the 215 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:35,640 moon that gives you some contrast. 216 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:38,720 And you're looking down an endless road. 217 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:43,880 That was not exactly like that, but you could see infinity. 218 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:45,960 I got to see infinity. 219 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:49,000 It never ended at all. 220 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:52,840 At what point did the black, gray, and white turn into color? 221 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:54,960 And what was that like? 222 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:58,760 That happened pretty much right before I got pulled back. 223 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:03,360 But there's some other things that I want to share with you that I know my experience 224 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:04,360 was very different. 225 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:10,040 I know many people had this experience with their NDE. 226 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:15,160 I remember at one point I was privileged to look down on Earth. 227 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:21,080 And it was very interesting because I literally got to see every city, every state, every 228 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:27,560 country, and all the souls that are populating each demographic area. 229 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:36,400 And the importance of that, I think that I was presented with, was how every single 230 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:40,040 soul has a purpose here, good, bad, or indifferent. 231 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:43,600 Every single one had a purpose here. 232 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:53,960 And I do recall distinctively looking down, and it was an Asian man that really I focused 233 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:55,840 on from up there. 234 00:14:55,840 --> 00:15:01,480 And it was because of the way he was lit up and the way he was just moving around in 235 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:07,560 the vibration that now looking back, I do believe this was a person that probably had 236 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:09,800 a very significant NDE. 237 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:13,360 He was very different than a lot of the other souls that I got to see. 238 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:15,840 There's something very different about him. 239 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:20,760 But a lot of people will say, well, how do you know that each person has a purpose and 240 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:22,360 it's from there? 241 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:29,680 And I try to explain the analogy of like, you know, like if you go to ride bumper cars, 242 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:36,640 like at a park or amusement park, and each bumper car has almost like the centenity that 243 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:41,520 goes up to the ceiling and the electricity generates off in there. 244 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:43,080 It was pretty much like that. 245 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:51,400 Everybody had this form of antenna, a connection to have their purpose worked out here on Earth, 246 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:55,560 play out, worked out, however, you know, you want to word it. 247 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:57,800 And that was very different. 248 00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:00,040 That was very different. 249 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:08,240 And then again, once the colors were presented, meaning after I had looked around after I 250 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:15,760 had it very curiously, you know, wanting to see everything, that was when the colors started 251 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:18,120 to present themselves. 252 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:24,160 And the colors there are, listen, we have beautiful colors here on Earth and artists 253 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:29,440 do amazing, amazing work with with the colors that we have. 254 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:30,840 But it's very different there. 255 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:35,400 The colors there are so vivid, so bright. 256 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:40,400 We just don't have it here, but they are absolutely gorgeous. 257 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:45,360 Would you say there are other colors there in addition to what we have here, or are they 258 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:47,640 just brighter? 259 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:50,960 What I saw was they were just a lot brighter. 260 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:59,800 We don't have them here that way, but they're just so in depth and so beautiful that we 261 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:02,000 really just don't have them here. 262 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:03,000 Yeah. 263 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:07,840 I've had some people explain it to me as it's almost like they're just sort of muted or watered 264 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:10,160 down here compared to there. 265 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:12,080 Does that sound right to you? 266 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:13,080 Exactly. 267 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:17,560 That's what I mean by very vivid and bright and just they're just gorgeous. 268 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:21,480 Everything is just beautiful, absolutely beautiful. 269 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:22,720 Okay. 270 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:25,120 What else did you see or do? 271 00:17:25,120 --> 00:17:30,680 So I did want to make mention the one thing that I did feel when I first got there also 272 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:39,440 was, and I have to say it was a male dominant sense that I could feel all around me while 273 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:41,000 I was there. 274 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:50,120 And the beauty of that experience was that was loaded with unconditional love, protection. 275 00:17:50,120 --> 00:17:52,800 You just knew nothing was wrong. 276 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:58,200 Everything couldn't have been more perfect, but it was more of like a male dominance. 277 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:00,360 I didn't see the bright light. 278 00:18:00,360 --> 00:18:01,520 I didn't see a tunnel. 279 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:03,120 I didn't see God. 280 00:18:03,120 --> 00:18:09,800 I didn't even see relatives, past relatives or anything, but that was very significant 281 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:12,880 that I clearly still remember like it was yesterday. 282 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:13,880 Right. 283 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:18,600 But you didn't see this male presence, but it was a very strong feeling of it all around 284 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:19,600 you. 285 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:20,600 All around. 286 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:21,600 Absolutely. 287 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:22,600 All around. 288 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:23,600 All right. 289 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:24,600 Anything else? 290 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:26,200 As far as while I was there. 291 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:27,200 Yeah. 292 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:28,200 Yeah. 293 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:29,200 Anything else before you came back? 294 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:31,200 Let's hear it now. 295 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:32,200 Of course. 296 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:40,880 I do remember at the point when I had to look at my physical body and leave it as if I was 297 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:42,080 going somewhere else. 298 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:49,520 I do remember that my soul, I started turning at about a 35 to 40 degree towards the left 299 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:53,120 side heading somewhere else where I was heading. 300 00:18:53,120 --> 00:18:57,400 I don't know because that happened to be the time that I got pulled back. 301 00:18:57,400 --> 00:19:04,320 I know that they did work on me for over six hours to try to stabilize me. 302 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:08,760 I know that they also pulled my husband out and he was running between the emergency room 303 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:13,840 and the trauma unit because we did, you know, my son was taken just to make sure everything 304 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:14,840 was okay. 305 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:17,360 He's perfectly fine. 306 00:19:17,360 --> 00:19:20,760 I know that they did pull my husband out and told him that, you know, we're not sure 307 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:25,360 if we're going to be able to save her, but we are trying to do everything we can. 308 00:19:25,360 --> 00:19:29,560 At that point when I was turning the 35 to 40 to the left, that's when I got yanked back. 309 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:31,800 What do you mean by yanked back? 310 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:32,800 That sounds interesting. 311 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:34,880 You've used the word pull and yanked. 312 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:37,360 It's almost like it was against your will. 313 00:19:37,360 --> 00:19:40,200 You got pulled back. 314 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:42,320 Well, you don't really want to leave there. 315 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:43,320 I hate to say that. 316 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:49,280 I mean, I'm grateful that I did because I had a five-year-old at that time and I need 317 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:51,560 to be here. 318 00:19:51,560 --> 00:20:00,040 My purpose was a lot bigger, you know, after that experience than what it was ever before, 319 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:03,000 but you literally get yanked back. 320 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:07,680 You get pulled back into your physical body again. 321 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:12,840 Was there anything that you remember about that process or were you just all of a sudden 322 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:16,920 back in the body and then did you wake up physically? 323 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:19,160 I remember waking up. 324 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:21,640 Actually everything is a blur. 325 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:24,400 I mean, I sustained a lot of injuries. 326 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:27,480 I was bleeding internally quite a bit. 327 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:30,920 You know, I've had a lot of physical damage from it. 328 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:38,880 I've lost a lot of parts of my body, you know, from the accident, from the physical impact, 329 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:42,320 but you don't want to leave there. 330 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:44,520 You don't want to leave there. 331 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:49,400 But I remember talking to the paramedic in the ambulance. 332 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:53,960 I remember finally being able to say something and I kept telling him I can't breathe. 333 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:58,120 I did have one of my ribs completely popped out of where it was supposed to be. 334 00:20:58,120 --> 00:21:00,280 It was very hard to breathe. 335 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:05,520 And I kept saying, you know, I can't breathe trying to get that out, but he was amazing. 336 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:07,080 He kept reassuring me, you're breathing. 337 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:09,000 If you can talk, stay with me. 338 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:10,000 Keep trying to talk. 339 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:11,000 You know, keep this. 340 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:16,840 And the next thing I remember, I was in the Trauma Unit with a bunch of doctors and nurses 341 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:18,880 all around me working on me. 342 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:21,440 It just seemed to never end. 343 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:25,720 And then after that, of course, I had, you know, I'd stayed in the hospital for a while. 344 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:32,000 Even after that, I went through, I stopped counting at about 30 to 35 surgeries, but 345 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:37,400 realistically between surgeries and invasive things that I've had to have done, I'm probably 346 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:41,440 easily in the 50 some for that. 347 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:43,520 Also I had to use a wheelchair for a while. 348 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:45,480 It came for a while. 349 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:53,520 I was in physical therapy and aqua therapy for way over 10 years to get my life back. 350 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:58,080 You know, I had to learn how to breathe right because I was breathing so shallow. 351 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:01,320 It was so painful. 352 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:03,720 Using my arms properly again, my legs. 353 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:05,560 It was very hard. 354 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:10,200 Recovery, a lot of surgeries, a lot of emergencies. 355 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:13,880 It was, it was really a rough road. 356 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:15,040 That's rough. 357 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:21,320 The fact that you had this experience, do you think that helped you at least from a perspective 358 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:25,040 of having a better attitude about things? 359 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:28,320 Did the experience maybe help you through the recovery? 360 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:30,800 It definitely did. 361 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:39,080 I was always a very positive person and I think in a strong person, and I think that 362 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:46,040 that just really enhanced a lot more because you have to remember that these surgeries 363 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:48,280 weren't right after the accident. 364 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:51,560 It was problems that kept happening. 365 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:53,800 So this went on for a while. 366 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:59,640 And I had four miscarriages from complications, which was very, sorry. 367 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:01,800 It's okay. 368 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:03,880 Take your time. 369 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:06,080 Which was really hard. 370 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:09,120 All three of my kids were born very, very premature. 371 00:23:09,120 --> 00:23:18,520 So it was a battle because they were on a respirator with oxygen and for months, it was very hard. 372 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:21,600 And in between, I got bleeding internally from different parts. 373 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:26,880 I lost, you know, I lost all my fallopian tubes, my ovaries, my uterus. 374 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:31,200 I lost a lot of parts of my body from it because I kept bleeding internally. 375 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:33,960 So it was a really rough road. 376 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:39,880 But at the end of the day, I have three beautiful children and they're all thriving, doing well, 377 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:41,600 amazing careers. 378 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:43,560 They did great. 379 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:47,560 You know, all the problems that they were supposed to have, they didn't have any to the 380 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:52,520 point where the pediatrician, their pediatrician literally was begging me to write a book to 381 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:56,520 help parents, you know, that have premature babies. 382 00:23:56,520 --> 00:24:01,320 And I knew I had three sets of eyes watching me. 383 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:07,720 And I had to always remind myself that I have to set the best example not to ever give up. 384 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:13,240 You know, I fell into like really deep depressions at the time from it. 385 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:17,960 Just because in the beginning, I couldn't even process what happened to me. 386 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:23,280 This took me over 10 to 15 years to process what happened. 387 00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:29,440 And I had to get help from spiritual leaders who helped me a lot because all of a sudden 388 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:31,400 things were very different in my life. 389 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:36,000 Things that I was seeing, things that I was experiencing were very different, unknown 390 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:39,920 to me ever before in my 20 some years. 391 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:42,960 That's what happened when I was in my later 20s. 392 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:46,960 And nothing like that had ever happened before. 393 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:53,680 And the beauty of it was they really helped me understand why I can see spirits and why 394 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:55,640 they come to me. 395 00:24:55,640 --> 00:25:01,480 And it was because it was explained to me that when I had got pulled back, I never 396 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:04,740 shut the door from where I was. 397 00:25:04,740 --> 00:25:07,320 So it's an open channel. 398 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:12,920 And it's a blessing because I do help people through mediumship greatly. 399 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:17,160 I also have gifts with my hands with healing. 400 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:18,760 I get a lot of clients. 401 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:24,560 I've helped so many people literally all over the world that have gone to doctors anywhere 402 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:27,600 from 10 to 30, 40 years. 403 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:34,920 And they've exhausted every means that they could do for these poor souls suffering. 404 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:37,200 And they end up getting referred to me. 405 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:42,640 And my statistics across the board is within three months, they're doing much better than 406 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:48,400 prior to where there was an injury, an accident, or trauma. 407 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:53,480 Whatever the situation is across the board within three months, my hands have been able 408 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:55,280 to heal them. 409 00:25:55,280 --> 00:26:02,040 And I also do medical intuition where I can scan the body with my hands and see what's 410 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:03,880 going on inside. 411 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:10,280 So I've been able to find things that even our MRIs and stuff haven't found or I can 412 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:13,360 find where the source of the problem is. 413 00:26:13,360 --> 00:26:18,760 So I've been really gifted on that end with coming back. 414 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:23,680 A lot of people when they come back, they have a hard time processing like what you 415 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,440 were just talking about. 416 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:32,240 And some tried to talk about it and they got shut down saying, you know, don't talk about 417 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:33,240 that. 418 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:34,240 You sound crazy or something. 419 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,000 So just don't even talk about it. 420 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,640 What advice do you have for people that are going through that? 421 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:41,040 What kind of help should they get? 422 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:43,200 You mentioned spiritual help. 423 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:47,280 Are there counselors, therapists that they should talk to too? 424 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:49,320 Or what's your advice? 425 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:51,880 I mean, I do a lot of spiritual counseling as well. 426 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:53,520 That is part of what I do. 427 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:57,680 That's actually in the metaphysics, the doctor that I'm doing. 428 00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:02,480 My specialty is counseling, which I felt was very important. 429 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,880 And the greatest advice I can give is this. 430 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:08,200 I couldn't talk about it. 431 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:11,240 I couldn't even put it together to talk about it. 432 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,240 It took a long time. 433 00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:18,840 And I know that now, you know, after meeting a lot of people that have gone through this, 434 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:22,800 that's pretty common across the board that it takes a long time. 435 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:27,720 Very rarely you'll have somebody talking about it a year or two years after the situation. 436 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,240 It's usually a way above 10 years. 437 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,120 And I know mine has been. 438 00:27:32,120 --> 00:27:42,000 But if I can give the best advice here is take your time to process what happened because 439 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,360 it happened to you for a reason. 440 00:27:44,360 --> 00:27:50,800 You were selected for that to happen, regardless of how it happened. 441 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:52,880 Take your time on processing it. 442 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:57,720 But the second that you feel that you're ready to talk about it, come out and talk about 443 00:27:57,720 --> 00:27:58,720 it. 444 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:09,920 Don't worry about anyone's opinions, remarks, comments, because they are truly worthless, 445 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:15,640 meaning that whatever comment they make is really meaningless. 446 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:19,840 Because one, most likely they didn't have this kind of experience. 447 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:23,760 If they did, they surely will not make a comment about it. 448 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:28,720 They would be more loving and understanding because it is very hard to go through, you 449 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:30,240 know, into process. 450 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:34,640 So keep going and do what is best for you. 451 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:36,560 And don't be scared to talk about it. 452 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:42,960 Would you recommend that it would be beneficial for people to talk about it sooner than later? 453 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:50,680 So that's a two-part question when you ask that because one, yes, talk about it as soon 454 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:52,080 as you can. 455 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:56,800 But again, you have to realize, don't come out and talk about it if you haven't even 456 00:28:56,800 --> 00:29:04,000 processed it, because that's what truly takes the time is to process all that. 457 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:09,360 So the second you're ready, I mean, I joke around, I say, wow, it feels so good to come 458 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:13,400 out of my spiritual closet and be able to talk about it. 459 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:19,000 You know, people are scared because maybe somebody will judge them. 460 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:24,440 Maybe someone will, you know, like you said, tell them, oh, you're crazy. 461 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:27,520 But the truth of the matter is you're not. 462 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:28,520 You're not. 463 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:30,520 Come out of that spiritual closet. 464 00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:39,320 You will feel so much lighter because that is truly very heavy to carry around and feel 465 00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:40,320 lost with. 466 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:41,720 I went through that. 467 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:48,920 So I would advise against it heavily because once I did start talking about it, one, I 468 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:56,720 realized there was such an outpour of love and support towards this, which is the best 469 00:29:56,720 --> 00:30:02,760 thing anyone could do when you hear somebody go through this experience. 470 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:06,480 And you have to remember you're the one that experienced it. 471 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:07,880 Other people have not. 472 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,400 Other souls have not experienced it. 473 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:15,800 You know, when people don't understand things, they like, they like to use the word crazy. 474 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,480 They don't know what else to say, I guess. 475 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:22,360 If it didn't happen to them, then there must be something wrong with it. 476 00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:26,560 Well, a lot of times people call things crazy. 477 00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:32,640 It's because, and I hate to say it this way, it's because they've reached their limit. 478 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:33,640 That's it. 479 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:35,400 That's all they're telling you. 480 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,800 They can't comprehend beyond that. 481 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:42,760 Would you also find that it's a good idea to, for some of these people to go to some 482 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:49,440 IONS group so they can just casually talk with other people that have had similar experiences? 483 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:50,680 Absolutely. 484 00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:55,920 And what I love about them is they do, they do a couple of Zoom meetings, you know, through 485 00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,800 the month, very interesting topics. 486 00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:02,800 You could pick and choose what you want to listen to, you know, enter the Zoom as you 487 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:03,800 please. 488 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:10,520 If a topic actually interests you, they hold annual meetings. 489 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:12,120 They do a lot of nice things. 490 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:17,440 I happen to know quite a few of the people that run them and they're just incredible 491 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:18,440 souls. 492 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:22,360 Some of them themselves have had NDE experiences. 493 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:32,080 So you actually literally find the community that you fit in, that everyone understands. 494 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:40,000 Everyone is looking for answers, is interested or has experienced, you know, something in 495 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:41,720 regards to an NDE. 496 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:48,920 So you're in a huge community of people that are very like-minded with experience. 497 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:52,360 And that's actually, it's an amazing support system. 498 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:57,960 Yeah, I wanted to interject just one other thing on this topic, and that is that not 499 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:05,400 everybody remembers their experience immediately, especially if there's, you know, brain trauma 500 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:10,400 or, you know, who knows what kinds of other physical traumas have happened. 501 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:11,400 And that's okay. 502 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:16,040 It doesn't mean that it's less real just because it took them three days or three weeks or 503 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:20,520 three years or whatever for these memories to flood back. 504 00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:27,360 It doesn't matter because whatever it, whatever impact it has is your experience. 505 00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:29,400 There is no right or wrong. 506 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:34,760 With my experience, I'll elaborate a little bit here, Eric, especially to the point where 507 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:40,040 I got freaked out for the first time, literally scared for the first time. 508 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:45,640 And it was actually when my 24-year-old son came home from the NICU. 509 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:51,600 He was in the NICU, the neonatal intensive care unit, because I had to have him by live 510 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:53,440 C-section of five months. 511 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:57,120 I couldn't carry him for nine months. 512 00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:02,160 And it's so hard when I talk about my kids because they went through a lot, but they're 513 00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:03,160 amazing. 514 00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:08,080 But when he came home, you know, I breastfed all my kids. 515 00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:14,200 And I literally kept their bassinets right next to my bed because it's so dangerous to 516 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,640 sleep with a baby in your bed. 517 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:23,200 And I remember the first day that my son came home, I had just finished breastfeeding him 518 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,120 and I put him in the bassinet. 519 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:27,760 He had fallen asleep and I had laid down. 520 00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:29,680 This was late at night. 521 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:36,240 All of a sudden, the way my room was, my bed was positioned in my room, my bed was literally 522 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:39,360 facing the door of the bedroom. 523 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:47,320 And I remember I laid down, then all of a sudden I saw a silhouette of a man in a black suit 524 00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:50,120 with one of those big top hats. 525 00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:54,160 He would not show me his face at all, Eric, for the life of me. 526 00:33:54,160 --> 00:34:02,080 But I knew all he wanted to do was come next to my son's side and look at him. 527 00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:03,480 But I didn't know who he was. 528 00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:05,600 I didn't even know what was going on. 529 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:10,800 I just knew I'm looking at something that is not a human being, a soul. 530 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:15,120 I remember saying, you need to leave, get away. 531 00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:19,720 I could feel how aggressively he just wanted to look at the baby. 532 00:34:19,720 --> 00:34:21,960 And I asked for him to leave and all. 533 00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:23,800 And I didn't know who he was. 534 00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:31,560 And he literally was saying to me, not by words, but he was literally telling me that 535 00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:36,680 if you look at my feet, you'll know who I am, exactly who I am. 536 00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:41,120 Well, I did look, Eric, and I didn't know who it was. 537 00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:46,360 So again, I asked to leave, and he was respectful and ended up leaving. 538 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:52,360 Well, mind you, I was freaked out that whole night that the next morning I called my mom 539 00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:54,880 and I asked, is there anyone in the family? 540 00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:58,480 I mean, the shoes that he was showing me were so weird, Eric. 541 00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:04,360 They were literally shoes without the front part of the shoe on both feet. 542 00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:08,640 So I was asking my mom, is there anyone in the family that I don't know about that might 543 00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:10,520 have something like this? 544 00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:13,400 My mom didn't know anyone. 545 00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:14,280 I called my dad. 546 00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:17,680 I spoke to family and stuff nobody knew. 547 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:23,680 Well, that afternoon when my husband came home, he could see I was crying and I was very distraught. 548 00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:25,520 And he had asked me what was going on. 549 00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:28,760 And I told him, I said to him, please come sit down. 550 00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:34,200 I want to tell you what happened here because it literally scared me half to death. 551 00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:38,160 So he did sit down with me and I explained to him what I saw and everything. 552 00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:42,160 And then I told him, I said, but honey, he wanted me to look at his feet. 553 00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:45,440 He said, just by his feet, I would know who it was. 554 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:46,560 And I can't figure it out. 555 00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:48,000 I spoke to family and everything. 556 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:51,200 I can't figure out who's what his feet look like. 557 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:56,000 And I told him, I said, it was a pair of shoes with no front end on both of them. 558 00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:59,120 And he looked at me and he goes, do you know who that is? 559 00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:03,520 And I said, no, I wouldn't be like this if I did. 560 00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:04,520 I don't know who it is. 561 00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:07,760 He said, that's my grandfather, David. 562 00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,840 And I said, well, how do you know for sure? 563 00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:15,680 And he said, because he had gangrene on all his toes from some infection, they had to 564 00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:20,440 remove his toes and make custom shoes for him. 565 00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:22,760 Now that was his grandfather, David. 566 00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:26,000 My husband lost his mother when he was six years old. 567 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:32,200 So I never really met any of his family or knew anything about anyone. 568 00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:38,240 But the interesting part here is my son's name is David. 569 00:36:38,240 --> 00:36:43,000 So his grandfather, great grandfather, David wanted to come see David. 570 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:44,680 But at the time I didn't know. 571 00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:45,680 Yeah. 572 00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:50,040 So you told him to leave and he was there for a good reason, not a scary reason. 573 00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:51,040 Exactly. 574 00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:55,960 But the beauty of it was he came back quite a few other times and he actually really helped 575 00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:59,600 me with quite a bit of things. 576 00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:05,280 And that was when, at that point, Eric was when I went to the spiritual leader leaders 577 00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:07,400 and said, listen, I need help. 578 00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,480 I don't understand what's going on here. 579 00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:15,280 And that's when they explained to me because you never shut the door when you came back. 580 00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,360 They can come in and out as freely. 581 00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:21,040 But if you're scared, you can always shut that door. 582 00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:23,680 Well, I didn't feel scared anymore. 583 00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:28,840 It was actually a blessing because it's helped with a lot of things too. 584 00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:29,840 Yeah. 585 00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:31,880 Well, we're nearly out of time. 586 00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:35,920 If you don't mind, I want to jump backwards just a little bit. 587 00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,240 We talked about a life review for a second. 588 00:37:38,240 --> 00:37:41,480 Do you remember any of the things that happened in that life review? 589 00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:42,480 I do. 590 00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:48,120 I'm a very family oriented person, even like my best of best of friends. 591 00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:54,200 I've had them since I was like 12 years old, if not even before until today. 592 00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:59,800 So I'm a very loyal, committed family, good friend type of person. 593 00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:01,560 I've always been that way. 594 00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:06,880 And it's interesting you asked that question because in my life review, not only did it 595 00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:11,520 go through everything that I did, but it also presented everybody that was really important 596 00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:12,360 to me. 597 00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:16,480 Did you see any, I mean, was this all good stuff? 598 00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:19,880 Were there things you felt guilty about? 599 00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:23,400 Tell me, what was the point of it, I guess? 600 00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:25,960 My experience was actually really good. 601 00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,640 My life review was really good. 602 00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:35,520 I didn't have anything like negative or felt remorse for anything, but I'm more of a, I'll 603 00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:38,400 give more than I can ever take. 604 00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:44,240 So I think it lined up with my value system and things like that. 605 00:38:44,240 --> 00:38:46,960 I didn't have a negative life review. 606 00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:52,240 It was just interesting how it literally felt like it was in a couple seconds, but it was 607 00:38:52,240 --> 00:38:53,640 so much. 608 00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:57,680 And most of them are very positive. 609 00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:02,320 Or if there was something negative that they see from their life, it's not presented in 610 00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:03,880 a horribly guilty way. 611 00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:06,880 It's just a, hey, look, and let's learn from this. 612 00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:08,600 I'm glad yours was all positive. 613 00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:15,400 And you know, Eric, I will say this to you also, as quickly as that happened, even when 614 00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:20,680 I landed in heaven, because I like to call it heaven, it was very beautiful and peaceful 615 00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:23,720 that way you would think heaven should be. 616 00:39:23,720 --> 00:39:25,040 And it was. 617 00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:33,160 I will tell you that even during the time that was there, I had received such a download 618 00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:39,120 of so much information that even that seemed to happen so quick. 619 00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:43,360 But when people asked me about it, I would literally probably have to write, you know, 620 00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:46,240 two books or something to put all that down. 621 00:39:46,240 --> 00:39:47,440 All right. 622 00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:49,160 Leave us with a good message here. 623 00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:52,080 What did you learn that you can pass on to everybody? 624 00:39:52,080 --> 00:40:00,440 Very firmly, very firmly, always love as much as you can. 625 00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:03,360 Please give as much love as you can. 626 00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:06,320 Don't ever judge anyone. 627 00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:09,240 That's not what you're here for. 628 00:40:09,240 --> 00:40:11,440 I love brief and precise. 629 00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:12,440 That's great. 630 00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:13,440 Yeah. 631 00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:18,000 I mean, to love, to care, and to never judge. 632 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:23,200 And most importantly, be understanding. 633 00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:27,000 Even if it's hard for you to understand, be understanding. 634 00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:28,000 All right. 635 00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:31,880 Daniela Gordon, thanks a lot for being with us today. 636 00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:32,880 It's my pleasure. 637 00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:38,080 Thank you, Eric. 638 00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:41,560 Thanks again for listening and remember to share this podcast. 639 00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:46,640 To be notified when the next episode goes live, follow us on your podcasting app or click 640 00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:51,320 over to roundtripteath.com and sign up for our email newsletter. 641 00:40:51,320 --> 00:41:16,800 Until then, I wish you everything good that you're looking for in this life and the next.