1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:09,440 I had intense fear and panic because we were obviously crashing. Out of my heart came the 2 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:11,960 thought, oh god help, I'm going to die. 3 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:16,360 From the time that they pronounced me dead was a good 45 minutes. 4 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:19,320 It's determined that I was not breathing for 20 minutes. 5 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:24,480 They cut my clothes and then they paddled my heart, my heart had stopped. And I could 6 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:29,680 see people screaming and crying, but I didn't realise that was actually my physical body 7 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:31,680 because I was somewhere else. 8 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:37,160 By which you went to the past far, in the afternoon, by half past seven I was dead, clinically 9 00:00:37,160 --> 00:00:38,640 dead for four minutes. 10 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:43,640 And they were crying because I was dead and I was trying to tell them no, I'm not dead, 11 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:45,520 I'm just fine, I'm okay. 12 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:48,480 I was greeted by people I'd known in the past. 13 00:00:48,480 --> 00:00:54,840 I started to feel like I was surrounded by all this warm, loving, beautiful, soothing, 14 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:55,840 loving energy. 15 00:00:55,840 --> 00:01:02,360 I'm back with God again. I just felt this all in my tube release, like, wow, I'm back, 16 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:03,560 I'm back home again. 17 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:08,600 Incredibly safe and felt at home. I'd come back home. It was a very strong feeling, I've 18 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:10,000 come back home. 19 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:16,080 The only thing that I could feel, if you could imagine, absolute love and peace, there wasn't 20 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:18,200 anything else to be felt. 21 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:23,360 And light is literally emitting from him and I could feel that that tremendous amount 22 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:25,800 of love was coming through him as well. 23 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:33,960 They were brighter than everybody else and I just knew who they were. 24 00:01:33,960 --> 00:01:39,640 We are excited to be here on Roundtrip Death today because we have a great guest, Lisa 25 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:44,320 Arrington, coming to us from North Carolina. Good morning, Lisa, how are you? 26 00:01:44,320 --> 00:01:48,160 Good morning, I'm good and thank you for having me. 27 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:52,880 And I was going to embarrass you by going into your nickname, but I'll tell you what, 28 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:58,880 I'm going to ask you to tell our listeners a little bit about yourself and you can volunteer 29 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:02,160 any kind of information you want. Tell us about you. 30 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:09,920 Sure. So again, my name is Lisa Arrington. In my professional life, I'm an SEO, search 31 00:02:09,920 --> 00:02:18,320 engine optimization professional, doing that for about two decades. I have a six-year-old 32 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:25,680 daughter, my family is born and raised in the Raleigh, Durham, North Carolina area. 33 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:34,560 And on the outside of my professional life, I also have a small twin flame and so my grief 34 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:41,080 support group for people who have lost someone that they feel connected to, that's on Facebook. 35 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:47,040 So I've been managing that as well as looking into self-publishing a book as well about all 36 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:50,040 of these experiences that we're going to talk about. 37 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:53,640 Congratulations, that's a lot. What do you do for fun? 38 00:02:53,640 --> 00:02:59,840 Well, fun. Oh, this is kind of the for fun part, I feel like. No, but just getting out 39 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:06,520 into nature, honestly, is such a break in relief. It's so nice just to go out and connect, 40 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:10,840 even if it's just a small walk, you know, and in between meetings, during the day. Yeah, 41 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:12,680 and of course, playing with my daughter. 42 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:14,840 Good. And you have a new puppy? 43 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:15,840 Yes. 44 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:20,480 So we're forewarning everybody. If you hear the puppy, that's okay. That's not a sound 45 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:27,200 effect we threw in. That's real live, real live everything here. Okay, I think we ought 46 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:33,080 to just jump right into your near death experience, but I'm going to give people a little teaser. 47 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:40,080 Maybe I should have done this upfront. And the teaser word of the day is Groundhog Day. 48 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:45,800 In a few minutes, everyone will know what that means. Let's go back to 2016. Tell me 49 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:49,600 what's going on in your life and your health that led to your NDE. 50 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:58,880 Yes. So in 2016, I was pregnant with my first and only child. She was born in August, August 51 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:06,240 18. So, you know, it's a pregnancy, normal pregnancy. My water broke. We went to the 52 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:12,720 hospital and I want to point out in this story, again, I'm in the triangle of North Carolina. 53 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:18,800 We have three nationally acclaimed hospitals right here within, you know, a 10 mile distance 54 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:28,200 of one another, pretty much. So I went to a local hospital here. And things are kind 55 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:37,280 of interesting off the gate with this birth that will lead to the NDE. So we arrived. 56 00:04:37,280 --> 00:04:44,400 We did a C-section birth. It was successful. You know, baby was born. She was underweight, 57 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:51,480 but otherwise everything was fine. And we get back to the maternity room that they put 58 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:59,000 you in where you can bond with your baby. And I kept telling the nurse something is wrong. 59 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:03,560 And even looking back, talking about this, it's difficult for me to explain what was 60 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:08,960 wrong, but just in your body, you know, something is not quite right. And they said, well, no, 61 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:15,880 you just had a baby, you know, that's totally normal. So I said, okay, within 24 hours, 62 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:23,400 my health began to decline. I was swollen all over. I could barely hold my newborn who 63 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:28,240 was four pounds, seven ounces. She wasn't even that big. It was uncomfortable to try 64 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:35,680 to hold her. I started to, what is it? It's not dementia, delirium, I think is what the 65 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:40,720 medical term for it. Yeah. So like my mental health started to decline because my body 66 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:47,480 inside was having all these issues. My organs began were shutting down essentially. 67 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:53,000 So is this a reaction to medication or some kind of an infection coming on? 68 00:05:53,000 --> 00:06:00,720 So there were infections. There was a laundry list of things. I had an E. coli infection 69 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:07,560 in my blood. I had deep vein thrombosis. I mean, there's so many different things, 70 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:14,320 but they were all repercussions of an internal bleed in my uterus, which at the time the 71 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:23,280 hospital didn't know. And so on paper, on the reports, they said, oh, well, you know, 72 00:06:23,280 --> 00:06:28,520 just your liver's going bad. And they just assumed my liver was bad and I needed a transplant 73 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:34,200 and all sorts of crazies. I have never had previous health problems. So it's like, you 74 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:40,760 know, what, I mean, liver, what? And my husband at the time, thankfully, he did not accept 75 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:45,640 the answer that no, she's just going to have to have this liver transplant just and it's 76 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:52,160 a 25% chance if she does get the transplant that she'll live. So say your goodbyes. He 77 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:58,880 has a family member that works in UVA Charlottesville, University of Virginia Charlottesville in the 78 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:07,320 liver transplant unit. She's an OR nurse of all things. And so 24 hours after the birth, 79 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:12,400 I started deteriorating. Not long after that, I was intubated. So I was put in a medically 80 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:18,760 induced coma to stop, you know, slow the damage. And then I was life-flighted out to 81 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:24,480 UVA in Virginia. And that is where I feel like that's really where the ND experience really 82 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:25,480 starts. 83 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:31,000 Yeah. So you were at a great hospital, but they sent you to one that specializes in the 84 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:33,000 liver issues that you were happening. 85 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:37,760 The hospital, interestingly enough, did not actually authorize it because they were so 86 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:42,880 convinced that it was just my organs shutting down, that there was no, you know, no saving 87 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:49,560 me. But as soon as I arrived at UVA, literally that same morning, they saw they looked at 88 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:55,560 me and they identified the bleed and corrected it. And so the ND happened in the amount of 89 00:07:55,560 --> 00:08:00,680 time it took me from that fix happened, this surgical fix happening to when I woke up. 90 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:03,600 Okay. Let's jump right into that. 91 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:10,200 It is very interesting because again, I was in a medically induced coma. First of all, 92 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:14,520 medically speaking, your brain activity is supposed to be null and void. You're really 93 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:19,600 not like technically, scientifically, we believe that there's no brain activity when you're 94 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:28,760 in a coma. And this is interesting because I had so many different odd dreams and things. 95 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:32,880 And I'm including this in the story because there's a difference between the dreams that 96 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:37,720 you have and this near death experience. They're two different subjects. 97 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:42,600 Tell us how you know the difference, how you know you weren't just dreaming the whole time. 98 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:48,120 The dreams were more so like when you're, you know, at night, we all dream, right? We 99 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:55,560 know what that feels like. Sometimes they can feel real, but even still, it's not quite 100 00:08:55,560 --> 00:09:03,280 the same as a near death experience, which was, let me try to, the best way to explain 101 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:11,400 this, you're comprehending things not with your mental abilities, you're comprehending 102 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:17,360 things through consciousness. And I think that's why there's a lot of stories of NDEs, 103 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:23,120 you know, dealing with time, either speeding up or slowing down, because we're not using 104 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:31,960 our brain necessarily or our, you know, intuition or our physical body to perceive these things. 105 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:37,880 So with the NDE, again, it's really hard to describe, but the best answer I have is that 106 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:43,960 the difference between your mental, your mental thinking and your cognition versus your consciousness, 107 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:48,240 your actual essence, your spirit, your soul, whatever you want to call it, that's the main 108 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:49,240 difference. 109 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:55,360 Okay. All right, let's keep going. So you had dreams and an NDE both. Where do you want 110 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:56,360 to start? 111 00:09:56,360 --> 00:10:01,560 So I was having these crazy dreams, which a lot of people in ICU when they're unconscious 112 00:10:01,560 --> 00:10:07,240 do have. And when it switched over to the NDE, again, I'm pointing out that that's, 113 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:13,640 I was transferred to UVA. I actually remember a dream of being in a helicopter and they, 114 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:20,680 you know, somehow magically transported me directly into the ICU room that I was in. 115 00:10:20,680 --> 00:10:28,120 Of course that didn't happen. That was a dream. But then everything changed. It was darkness, 116 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:36,680 total darkness, not scary darkness though, just kind of like an empty space. I somehow 117 00:10:36,680 --> 00:10:43,000 knew that I was outside of my body, that I was not my, you know, my soul, my essence was 118 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:50,480 not attached to my body at the time. And just kind of like a floaty kind of abyss. And then 119 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:56,960 I saw a light, which some people might describe as like a tunnel kind of light. And I heard 120 00:10:56,960 --> 00:11:05,600 a disembodied voice and it said, it basically told me, you can let go. If you want to let 121 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:11,760 go, no one will blame you. Now is the time. You'll be okay. Your daughter will be cared 122 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:20,000 for. You can go ahead. And for a split second, I considered, I'm like, wow, that sounds relaxing. 123 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:24,720 You know, like I no longer have to fight, right? I just can just go. But I had this 124 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:29,280 weird instinct. I'm like, no, wait, no, no, no, no, I should not do that. I need to be 125 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:34,280 here for my daughter. I have things to do. There are things on this earth I need to achieve. 126 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:40,760 And at that point, that's when I kind of perceived that disembodied voice to be evil. I don't 127 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:45,960 believe it was evil. I really do think it was honestly just giving me the choice. But 128 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:50,400 again, we're geared for survival. And so we might perceive that as being evil if it's 129 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:56,200 trying to get us to, you know, end our lives. And so I, again, this is all happening in 130 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:59,000 consciousness and this out of body experience. 131 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:02,760 In addition to the light, are you seeing anything else? 132 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:08,280 Not specifically, no, it was really just darkness and then just the light at this point in time. 133 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:14,160 And then once I made that decision to say, no, I want, I would like to live and I, it's 134 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:18,800 strange because I want to say, you know, I bolted as far away as I could from that light. 135 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:23,480 But again, this is happening like in a realm where there's no sense of direction even. 136 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:29,480 It's very interesting. But after that point, after I made that conscious choice to live, 137 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:33,440 that's when we went into the next part of the NDE. 138 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:37,360 Okay. Is this where the Groundhog Day part comes in? 139 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:38,360 Almost. 140 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:39,360 Almost. 141 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:45,240 So the next stage in it, there was three stages really. The first was that disembodied, you 142 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:51,840 know, make your choice kind of thing, which again, just for the sake of realness here, 143 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:57,080 for years I called it the death trap. It was terrifying. Like once I woke up and I looked 144 00:12:57,080 --> 00:13:01,120 back on it and I realized that's very scary to be told, go ahead and die. Like, you know, 145 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:07,200 you feel like you're being manipulated or lulled into making a decision to die. 146 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:14,360 Yeah. I find that interesting that your feeling on that is that that was a negative thing, 147 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:21,080 maybe even an evil thing. Some other people and everybody's experience is completely different. 148 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:26,600 There's no right or wrong here. But some other people feel like, hey, that was such a good 149 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:34,400 place. And I really wanted to stay because it was so wonderful. And it's interesting 150 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:37,240 that you're feeling on that's a little bit different. 151 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:41,920 I don't think I was quite there yet though. That wasn't, you know, that realm that people 152 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:42,920 reach. 153 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:44,320 Okay. That makes sense. 154 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:50,880 Yeah. This was more like, for people who believe in spirit guides, the best way to describe 155 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:57,440 it would be my guide was, you know, touching base with me saying, hey, if you want to, 156 00:13:57,440 --> 00:14:03,160 you know, opt out, now's your chance. You can go ahead. And I said, no, I've got things 157 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:09,400 to do. And so the next part was that realm that we're talking about now that you're 158 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:15,440 with your, I call them spirit guides or soul family, the people, the souls, their energy 159 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:21,440 that we're connected to in our lives. And unfortunately, I don't remember much about 160 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:30,480 that during the NDE. I have been able to get back there in meditation after, which again, 161 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:34,640 it's fascinating. And I truly credit it. I don't believe that I'd be able to achieve 162 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:40,200 that if I hadn't first experienced it in the NDE. So it kind of was like this open this 163 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:46,040 window, so to speak, so that later in life, I can always come back. I can always be connected 164 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:54,800 to that feeling and that great supporting network of beings or energy or spirit, souls 165 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:56,960 who have my back and who I have theirs. 166 00:14:56,960 --> 00:15:02,200 Well, and it's also not unusual for these memories to come back gradually. 167 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:03,200 Yes. 168 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:07,640 You know, whether it's through meditation or some, for some people, they just all of 169 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:12,480 a sudden come back or something. So tell us a little bit about what you do remember. 170 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:17,320 So the next thing I know, once I made my decision, I again, the goal is to get back 171 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:23,400 into my body because I want to live. And so I started my journey to my body. I distinctly 172 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:34,360 remember the feeling of my energy or my soul entering into my physical being. However, 173 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:40,520 it was not mine, if that makes any sense. It was a body that looked like mine. It was, 174 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:46,640 and I woke up actually August 27th, looked around. You know, I saw my husband and my 175 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:54,400 family, the ICU nurses, but it did not feel quite right. Again, just waking up out of 176 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:58,920 a medically induced coma, I wasn't able to stay awake that long. You know, I very quickly 177 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:06,480 felt like a sleep. But when I woke up the next time, I found myself in the same position 178 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:13,080 with different circumstances, different, you know, people would have a slightly different 179 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:19,280 demeanor, or the events of the day would go slightly differently. And again, each time 180 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:26,800 I felt I remember the feeling of having to reenter a body every time. 181 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:31,960 So did you feel like it was different because maybe this was an hour or two later, or it 182 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:39,320 was different in that you were re-entering, re-waking up for the first time, but things 183 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:42,240 were different anyway? Explain that a little bit. 184 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:48,240 Sure. Yeah, I think it took, you know, a few times because again, we have to keep in mind 185 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:52,880 there were dreams involved in this at the beginning from all the heavy coma medications 186 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:58,000 and everything. So I wasn't sure, you know, what is this? It took me a minute to really 187 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:07,120 understand this a way to second. I am waking up on the same day over and over again. And 188 00:17:07,120 --> 00:17:12,120 once I realized that, again, this is very interesting because it wasn't fully mental 189 00:17:12,120 --> 00:17:17,560 cognition. It's still kind of, you know, it's still halfway out of body experience to where 190 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:21,920 I'm still kind of thinking it from that level of consciousness. And so there was a level 191 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:28,480 of security there to where I knew and somehow understood that this is okay. I'm safe. I 192 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:33,160 feel like that was from seeing my guides in between. I think they, you know, wanted to 193 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:40,440 reassure me and say, you know, you got this. Yeah. And so, yeah, so I would wake up again. 194 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:44,960 And when you wake up and I see you, they ask you three questions. Where are you at? Who 195 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:49,680 is the president and what day is it? And I would get two out of three right. I'd always 196 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:56,560 get the date wrong. Because in my experience, it was August 27th. And they would say, no, 197 00:17:56,560 --> 00:18:01,920 it's the 26th of 20th. It was just very strange. It was always just something slightly off 198 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:11,400 like that. Or for instance, here's a good one. So my aunt and uncle, my aunt is a nurse. 199 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:18,400 My uncle is a general physician in Pennsylvania out of state for me. My aunt came down while 200 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:24,560 I was still unconscious. She came down on the day I woke up. And I personally did not know 201 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:28,760 she was there, right? I had no way to know that she was actually there. I was still in 202 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:35,840 my coma. And when I woke up in one of these iterations, in part of the near death experience 203 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:44,640 still, my aunt, who is usually very level headed, very intelligent. She's Catholic. 204 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:51,200 So that's part of who she is. But she was very bossy. She was telling, she was interacting 205 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:56,760 with the ICU nurses as if she knew better. And she asked all these medical questions. 206 00:18:56,760 --> 00:19:05,000 And it just was not like her. And so it really felt like when I would land into these iterations, 207 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:10,280 kind of like it was things were alien, right? And it's such a strange feeling to look around 208 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:15,120 you and see your friends and family who you know and love. But there's something not just 209 00:19:15,120 --> 00:19:19,560 not quite right. And you know that they're not quite your friends and family, whether 210 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:28,800 that's a timeline, reality, alternative universe, however you want to call it. Just again, not 211 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:34,840 not quite right. And that gave me the drive, though, to keep going. 212 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:40,480 So how many of these, as you call it iterations, how many of these were there? 213 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:46,600 There were six that I can clearly remember. There were at least 12 that I remember starting, 214 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:52,560 but you know, I couldn't tell you many details about them. So this this happened a lot. I 215 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:58,920 mean, it was Groundhog Day on repeat. And it did get scary at a time. It finally, you 216 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:04,880 know, after however many times, I felt like I was stuck in a loop. And I even started 217 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:11,040 thinking, because every time I would wake up, my husband would look at me and say, Hey, 218 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:15,360 beautiful, like he's doing something else in the room. He'd notice I was awake and 219 00:20:15,360 --> 00:20:22,640 say, Hey, beautiful. And I began to memorize what they would say. You know, my husband 220 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:27,520 and my father, and I was like, maybe I can tell them something. Maybe somehow I can let 221 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:32,800 them know that, man, I keep experiencing this over and over. And I did try that. I tried 222 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:36,920 to remember one time I woke up and I said, Wait, I'm stuck in a loop. Something's going 223 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:41,800 on. And of course, they didn't understand. I, you know, had to really realize, wait, 224 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:48,960 I'm in this alone, essentially, you know, I have to brave this myself and get back to, 225 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:54,400 you know, the right configuration of where I need to be. Yeah. And even talking about 226 00:20:54,400 --> 00:21:01,400 it right now in this moment, I just realized how how much this was such a needed lesson 227 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:09,280 of courage, of trust, of faith, of being comfortable with the unknowns, right? Knowing that we 228 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:15,440 have that soul family, that we have that kind of existence that didn't get that experience 229 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:20,960 is tell us we have is pretty, pretty trippy is the word I can think of right now. 230 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:27,840 Okay. Is there anything else that you remember during the NDEs besides the bright light? 231 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:35,080 Is there anything that you felt or heard? I do remember realizing that I was in this 232 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:44,160 kind of empty space, what I would call empty space, it was not uncomfortable. It felt natural 233 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:49,480 to be there. So it wasn't disturbing. It wasn't startling that I was in this kind of dark 234 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:55,640 area that I had this disembodied voice talking to me and I saw the light and I, you know, 235 00:21:55,640 --> 00:22:02,640 you can you really feel like the warmth and the love and you know, it's there. Even if 236 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:07,280 you haven't entered into it, just somehow instinctively, you just know what all this 237 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:14,960 is. It's like hidden knowledge that's just within us that lays latent. I can't really 238 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:22,600 remember much else to be honest for that part. Okay. So let's move on. At what point were 239 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:28,320 you fully conscious? How were things then? Did those things feel like they were in your 240 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:35,440 normal reality or you were in one of these alter iterations? Sure. So when I officially 241 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:42,080 woke up, again, this would be August 27th, I'd woken up and you know, I was by that 242 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:47,960 point a little startled, a little kind of hesitant to be able to trust, right? Because 243 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:53,160 it had gotten to the point where I was terrified to fall back asleep because when I'd fall 244 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:59,680 back asleep, I'd wake right back up on that previous day. And sometimes I'd stay up for 245 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:04,920 hours, you know, my body was recovering. That was a big feat to stay up that long. 246 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:10,640 By the way, how many days was this since you had the baby? I had her on the 18th. I was 247 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:16,880 put into the coma on, I believe it was the 20th. And I woke up officially on the 27th. 248 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:22,280 Okay. And it did take about 24 hours for me to really come to. So. 249 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:27,960 And did they, did they have to do a liver transplant or did they once they fix the internal bleeding, 250 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:33,640 did things start to repair? Once they fixed it, I went uphill from there. Thankfully, I 251 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:39,320 did not need any transplant. I needed no other, you know, intervention other than that surgery 252 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:44,840 to fix the uterine bleed again, had a C-section. So that's totally understandable that that 253 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:51,960 is, you know, might happen. My healing time was supposed to be at least six months and 254 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:59,760 an inpatient intensive mobile rehabilitation facility. That was not the case. And I guess 255 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:04,960 we'll get to that in a moment. But keeping with the chronological order, when I woke 256 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:10,800 up in this reality in the curve, you know, the correct one, the one I need to be in here, 257 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:17,400 I still, it was difficult to trust what was going on. I still was hesitant. And so I was 258 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:22,440 very scared. I was also scared because I transferred hospitals and because I'd overheard things 259 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:28,960 while unconscious of essentially that I was was going to die from the medical staff. So 260 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:33,800 I was still very scared. I had to have my husband sit next to me. We didn't have a nice 261 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:38,760 ICU room. There was only, you know, just a really crappy chair to sit in. That's it. 262 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:45,000 There was no bed. There was no sofa and nothing. So he had to stay there with me at least 48 263 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:50,160 hours overnight because I just couldn't trust, you know, I just like, hey, that you know, 264 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:54,320 something's not right. They're going to get me, you know, the medical staff. I mean, 265 00:24:54,320 --> 00:25:00,760 you know, I was trying to survive. But after that, now I definitely could tell I was in 266 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:04,760 reality. I mean, there was no question. And that's, that's the craziest part about this 267 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:10,240 is that again, the difference between dream, new experience and reality. Very cool story 268 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:11,240 in that respect. 269 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:12,240 You want to explain that? 270 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:18,320 You know, it is difficult now that I think about how do I explain this to someone who 271 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:22,440 if you think of a dream you've had and you swear it's real, you know, you, when you wake 272 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:26,520 up from and you're like, that was real. But if you really look back and think about it, 273 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:31,320 it wasn't real. There's, it's such a subtle difference. It's really hard to explain this. 274 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:36,080 I think it really comes down to intuition. It comes down to knowing in yourself, in your 275 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:42,640 soul or spirit, essence, whatever you believe, it just feels right. 276 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:47,760 And real. That's what many people tell me is it just feels more real than real even. 277 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:54,880 Yeah. I mean, it's just like, aligns with what you're configured for it aligns with 278 00:25:54,880 --> 00:26:00,440 like what you know as well. For example, that I had just given birth, I had a daughter and 279 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:07,520 I needed to be her mother. And so when I came to and back into reality, I was well aware 280 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:08,520 of that. 281 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:13,840 And you know, you always look for little things, even if you're trying to like lose the dream, 282 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:19,880 they tell you to always look for subtle things. Like there's little practices you can do actually 283 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:24,240 to kind of look at something and say, okay, well, if it's a dream, if it's not real, then 284 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:28,480 I'll look away. And when I look back at it will be read. In reality, you can't do that. 285 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:33,680 So there's lots of little checks and balances that you can do for that as well to disseminate. 286 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:38,080 Okay. We're going to move on in just a minute and talk about some of the things that you 287 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:43,280 learned from all of this. But before that, people know I love happy ending. So I want 288 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:49,960 to hear about being reunited with your daughter and how your health proceeded from there. 289 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:57,640 Absolutely. Sure. So yes, so since I was life-flighted to UVA, I was, you know, over, I think, like 290 00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:04,520 180 miles away from my newborn daughter who was back in Raleigh in a hospital here in 291 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:09,440 NICU just because she was underweight. So this whole time I've been at the three weeks 292 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:16,480 or so I was away from my daughter. And again, the surgery they did to fix the bleed brought 293 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:24,560 me back to pretty quick. So by 27, 28th of August, I was awake. My next goal was to 294 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:30,920 get out of ICU to the general floor and then I could go home. And so there's this miraculous 295 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:36,440 healing that happened to where, again, the doctor said three to six months, you know, 296 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:39,440 you're going to, you're not going to be able to basically walk. You're going to have to 297 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:44,880 relearn to walk. And by I think was the fourth or fifth day, I was using a walker like, you 298 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:51,240 know, an elderly person has slowly moving around my room with a lot of help. But nonetheless, 299 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:59,920 I was standing and just kept making this miraculous progress in my healing. September 11th is 300 00:27:59,920 --> 00:28:09,640 when I was able to go home and drove straight down to see my daughter. I had all these IV 301 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:14,840 bandages on me. I mean, it was to the point where when my kidneys failed, they had to do 302 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:20,080 dialysis through my neck, through two points in my neck. It was that crazy. So I was free 303 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:24,720 of all the machinery and all the stuff I had lost so much weight from being in that hospital 304 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:33,760 bed and my body failing. But we got home. We saw our daughter, her name is Everly. And 305 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:41,120 today she's six years old and doing so well and just such a blessing. And I won't get 306 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:47,080 too much into it, but I do want to note that through this NDE and through other things 307 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:53,160 that have happened since then, you know, spirit or God or whatever you believe in is truly 308 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:59,960 showing how interconnected all of this is. So my daughter is interconnected with a lot 309 00:28:59,960 --> 00:29:05,960 of these kind of spiritual things in life and she's just naturally on it. I mean, just 310 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:07,720 it's just wild to see. It's very cool. 311 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:13,840 It's just very perceptive, huh? Okay, let's talk about other things in general in your 312 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:20,080 life that have changed because these things change you. Yeah. Okay, how are you different 313 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:21,080 than you were before? 314 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:31,600 Oh man, that's a good question. So this might be interesting. So when I healed and you know, 315 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:36,680 woke up and healed from the near death experience, before that I was really into politics. I 316 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:42,480 was pretty passionate about it. You know, the sense of reason and logic and all the 317 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:49,040 little moving pieces and all that stuff. And I had been all my life. But after the near 318 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:57,720 death experience, I would turn on the talk radio and just have this feeling in myself 319 00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:03,000 like it was like kind of like the polarization had changed. Like, you know, you try to put 320 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:08,080 two magnets with the same polarization together, or they're going to repel, they're going to 321 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:13,040 bounce back on each other. You have to have the right combination and then they stick. 322 00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:17,720 That's how I was feeling when I heard of this on the radio. And what I was responding to, 323 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:24,720 I think, was the sense of aggression, the sense of, I don't know, just very topical 324 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:29,920 service level nitpicking back and forth. Which after you go through experience like 325 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:34,500 this, it's like, man, there's so much more than that. You guys, you know, like, we don't 326 00:30:34,500 --> 00:30:40,160 need to be down in the weeds, like going back and forth about that. And so one of the big 327 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:46,920 things that changed was my tolerance for aggression, service level stuff, and kind of seeing things 328 00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:54,360 from that different perspective, as well as knowing that we are always connected to the 329 00:30:54,360 --> 00:31:00,640 beings, the people, the things that we experience in these NDE's, we are constantly connected 330 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:07,240 to that side or that realm of our universe. And these NDE stories, all they really do 331 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:12,680 is help us to make sense of that and believe it, right? Because it's hard to believe something 332 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:16,840 unless you've experienced it yourself. But I feel like that's one of the most powerful 333 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:21,680 things about all these stories is that it's not just one person, you know, it's multiple 334 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:28,000 people, and as well as some of the psychedelic experiences, which I won't get into either, 335 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:33,400 but it's very fascinating when you hear these, this overlap with these experiences that people 336 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,760 have like mine as well. 337 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:39,360 What do you mean by that? The overlap? 338 00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:47,280 In my story, and even though I can't quite remember the in the moment meeting my spirit 339 00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:53,600 guides my soul family, I know that I did. And afterwards, you know, again, like I said, 340 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:58,920 in meditation, I was able to actually access that realm, which is mind blowing because 341 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:05,680 some people say they'll pay hundreds of dollars per hour to be guided in meditation to do 342 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:12,800 this. And here I was in my living room, never meditated before and just did it. It's very 343 00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:14,920 comforting feeling. 344 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:20,280 But then you have other people in NBEs who have also been in this blissful realm, they 345 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:25,800 feel that unconditional love. It just feels right that, you know, there's greater purpose, 346 00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:32,880 there's like this invisible path in life that is being illuminated by these encounters. 347 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:41,680 And even in experiences like I think it's DMT, where people say they report that they 348 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:47,440 will they will actually see figures like this, figures that will tell them like our spirit 349 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:52,880 guides or soul family that tell them either, hey, you know, you're doing great or, or hey, 350 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:55,760 or, you know, no, this isn't cool. And they guide us. 351 00:32:55,760 --> 00:33:00,480 And I was like, I just think that's so beautiful that no matter how you look at it, NBEs, I 352 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:05,160 feel experienced spiritual, transformative experience. It's all about that we're all 353 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:08,400 here guiding one another and supporting one another. 354 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:12,120 So what else came back to you through your meditation that you felt like you remembered 355 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:13,120 from it? 356 00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:18,120 A lot. A lot of the little pieces started to make sense of it because this took a while 357 00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:24,600 for me to put together. And it's still not quite put together because at the time 2016, 358 00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:29,600 this is when the Mandela effect was popular. You know, the, is it Bernstein bears or is 359 00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:35,440 it Barrenstein bears, that type of thing. People are, you know, or did was the Volkswagen 360 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:41,440 logo, did it always have the separate VW or, you know, little things like that. And that's 361 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:46,400 exactly what this experience felt like. It felt like it was just those little tiny things 362 00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:49,000 that were different when I would wake up. 363 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:56,560 So oh, I probably should add that I did do therapy. I did do EMDR or E, I always forget 364 00:33:56,560 --> 00:34:03,760 it. I think it's EMDR therapy, which has to do with like tapping to stimulate the ulterior 365 00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:07,080 brain. So I did that for medical trauma. 366 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:08,080 Right. 367 00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:12,520 Just because the whole experience of the actual hospital and, you know, dying was. 368 00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:15,080 Yeah, that was traumatic. 369 00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:21,840 So I did that, but that didn't really unlock anything. It really through the meditation. 370 00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:28,600 This unlocked so much. And I don't know how much is remembrance, but I can tell you that 371 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:34,840 I've learned about the relationships with some of the, you know, disembodied voices 372 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:40,680 or the beings that I met, kind of learned who I am to them, who they are to me, why 373 00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:46,600 they even appeared to me, which for the most part is that, you know, they, they are essentially 374 00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:52,280 just other people, other souls that throughout time we have formed this bond. 375 00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:57,040 Like I'm trying not to get in a rabbit hole here, but we support each other, you know, 376 00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:05,040 through life and whatnot. And I've even gone as far as to remember past lives. Again, all 377 00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:10,800 from the seed point of that near death experience. I mean, they continue to help with, I'm flipping 378 00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:16,320 through my notes right now, even little things like helping with posture, right? Like I severe, 379 00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:22,120 lower back and GI issues. And it was an issue with my spinal nerve and fix my posture, just 380 00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:27,440 crazy things like that, little things like that. Yeah. And I think another big thing 381 00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:33,960 again is my daughter and the role she plays in my life. And it's important for me to understand 382 00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:38,640 that as a parent so that I can raise her in the best way to achieve whatever she needs 383 00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:43,880 to because when I came back to the surf from that NDE, I had a purpose. And that's all 384 00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:50,520 I knew was I have a purpose. There's a reason I need to do this. It reinstilled this dedication 385 00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:52,160 as well as the sense of love. 386 00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:56,080 Did you know what the purpose was immediately? 387 00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:59,960 Not a me. I mean, immediately, the only immediate thing that I knew was that I need to raise 388 00:35:59,960 --> 00:36:06,760 my daughter. But I mean, that's a basic thing. But it's also to be fair, you know, technically, 389 00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:14,160 I had my husband at the time, I had, you know, both families on both sides were there would 390 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:22,120 be able to help and raise her. So it wasn't just a motherly instinct, you know, I mean, 391 00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:26,920 she would have been taken care of. And in my NDE, I was literally told she would be taken 392 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:33,280 care of and be fine. So it really came down to a personal choice and understanding the 393 00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:38,920 impact that I personally would have on her, or maybe something, you know, in my life that 394 00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:44,800 I need to finish, which goes into my twin flame story. I'm going to get into that today 395 00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:51,920 because totally off topic. But it's again, it just, I cannot help but sit back and aw 396 00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:57,520 at how connected all of these events and pieces are. And even hearing other people's stories, 397 00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:03,240 it's a while just, you can't help but see just the natural embeddings and meanings 398 00:37:03,240 --> 00:37:10,560 and things. Yeah. So many experiencers talk about the connection, how we're all connected. 399 00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:14,360 Nobody's been able to explain it to me very well. Do you think you can explain it better 400 00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:23,520 than most? Okay, give it a shot. I will totally try. Okay. So our connection points. So there's 401 00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:29,520 two ways to look at this. The first is physical connection, right? So when we think of the 402 00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:33,960 physical body and how we communicate, if you communicate with something, you're connecting 403 00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:39,960 with them, right? You can do that verbally, you can do body language, you can even sometimes 404 00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:44,320 even emotionally, right? If someone walks into a room and you know, there's a lot of 405 00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:51,040 tension, they can just sense it. But some people believe we have other layers, the astral, 406 00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:59,200 the etheric, I probably messed that up. But there's these other layers that are not physical, 407 00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:06,720 so to speak. But we still communicate at these levels. For instance, astral deals with dreaming. 408 00:38:06,720 --> 00:38:13,480 Even in the Bible, Jesus Christ talks about looking at the content of the person's heart. 409 00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:18,680 That is fascinating because the heart actually has an electromagnetic field that radiates 410 00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:24,700 from it. So if you don't believe in Jesus, the one thing that we do know is there's that 411 00:38:24,700 --> 00:38:31,000 energy field. And so we're connected on these other levels. It's not just because I don't 412 00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:35,080 think I'm connected like my brain if I say, why don't I like you? I'm not connected to 413 00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:40,240 you. No. That's, you know, we're not talking about that kind of connection. We're talking 414 00:38:40,240 --> 00:38:45,120 about, again, physical example, you walk into the room with someone, you are within that 415 00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:53,120 sphere of their biofield that they're putting out, and your biofield overlapping. Again, 416 00:38:53,120 --> 00:39:00,040 this is just a very quick, simple example of that type of connection. Long story short, 417 00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:04,980 there are different ways that we connect with people. And it depends on which perspective 418 00:39:04,980 --> 00:39:12,240 you're taking as to how we define that. The other one, I'll try to be quick with this, 419 00:39:12,240 --> 00:39:18,760 not nerd out because it has to do with AI and SEO. AI, artificial intelligence uses natural 420 00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:24,520 language processing, deep relevance models. It essentially looks like a big word map kind 421 00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:33,800 of as to how it derives meaning. It uses relationships and associations to better understand a topic. 422 00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:39,080 You can't just give AI a definition and say, here's what color red means. You have to actually 423 00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:43,200 tell it, you know, it has to be able just like our brain, we can see a fire hydrant. 424 00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:47,640 We know, oh, even if the fire hydrant is in black and white, we know it's red, right? 425 00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:53,800 That's an association. So it creates this kind of network. It also uses things called 426 00:39:53,800 --> 00:40:00,360 embeddings. So embeddings, again, are just things that help it to create that deeper 427 00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:08,080 understanding and points of connection, associations, relationships. That, I feel, is the exact 428 00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:15,960 same way that we are connected as people, as souls, as essence, spirit, whatever you 429 00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:21,920 would like to call it. And not even in this physical form, we're connected on these different 430 00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:26,920 levels in that way. And it's the relationships we build over time. Even meeting you today, 431 00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:32,360 we now have this dotted line connection, right? And who knows, maybe we've been connected 432 00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:38,240 before in a different way. And I'm sure if we really wanted to geek out, we could analyze 433 00:40:38,240 --> 00:40:43,000 our LinkedIn profiles and find other points, you know, of mutual connections that eventually 434 00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:48,600 overlap. In that way, I really do believe that, yes, we're all connected. It's just whatever 435 00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:50,480 way you want to look at it. 436 00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:53,760 Okay. All right. Do you mind a personal question? 437 00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:54,760 Sure. 438 00:40:54,760 --> 00:41:01,680 Okay. You already agreed. No, I'm just kidding you. 439 00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:09,160 There are, you mentioned your husband, and you made it sound like that was past tense. 440 00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:16,280 And so many people that have NDEs end up having a divorce not too long after. Would you mind 441 00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:20,400 telling us a little bit about that? And if your NDE had anything to do with it? 442 00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:25,200 Absolutely. I'd love to. Thank you for the question. So, yes, I was married at the time. 443 00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:31,960 It was my first and only marriage so far to a good man. His name is Mike. He literally 444 00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:39,560 saved my life with his decision to life like me and to go against the doctor's prognosis. 445 00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:47,640 So Mike had some trauma earlier in his life. He was the oldest of three brothers. His youngest 446 00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:56,240 brother, unfortunately, committed suicide when his brother was only 19. Okay. So fast forward 447 00:41:56,240 --> 00:42:02,960 to now the NDE experience where this man is being told that, okay, you have this newborn 448 00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:07,960 daughter. She's a NICU because she's underweight. Your wife's going to die. Have fun, basically. 449 00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:14,600 Right? I mean, that's terrifying. That's a lot of handle. And he was there every single 450 00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:19,400 day. I mean, he stayed with me when I was unconscious when he had to choose between 451 00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:25,560 being with me in Virginia or the baby in North Carolina. He stepped up and he stayed by my 452 00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:31,880 side and so grateful. But he remained strong through that experience. But afterwards, I 453 00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:36,800 do believe that it triggered some of that past trauma for him. I mean, that's so hard 454 00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:41,920 to go through. I mean, he didn't get a break, right? He went right back to work after that, 455 00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:45,640 after being in the hospital for three weeks, being told your wife's going to die after 456 00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:54,160 you've planned for nine months to have this happy family. And so again, I'm being so open 457 00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:58,800 about this because I do believe it's very important for the awareness that there were 458 00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:04,120 substance abuse issues involved from that point on to deal with the trauma. And that's 459 00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:13,560 ultimately what did deteriorate our marriage. And I don't think an NDE, like if you have 460 00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:18,160 an NDE, oh, you're going to get divorced. I don't think that's how it works. I do think 461 00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:24,840 just be prepared to go to therapy, to take walks, to, I know, go hiking, take vacations, 462 00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:30,200 to hide out in a cave, do whatever you need to, to give yourself time. You have got to 463 00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:36,960 process and integrate everything that's happened and to learn how to cope with that trauma 464 00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:41,520 because it is such an intense thing to go through for the friends and family members. 465 00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:47,040 That's a good explanation. How much fear do you have of death since this happened? I'm 466 00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:50,520 not saying want to die. I mean, is there fear there? 467 00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:54,640 So I'm not going to lie. I'm scared of the process of dying, right? Like if I want someone 468 00:43:54,640 --> 00:44:01,640 like stab me with a sword, that sounds horrible. But of actual death itself, I'm totally 469 00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:10,280 cool with it because I feel like, I mean, you can tap into that place of warmth and love 470 00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:17,640 and bliss that people get to. In an NDE, you can tap into that in real life right now. 471 00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:23,640 It is possible. It's like a feeling, a frequency. You can just feel it in your whole body. I'm 472 00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:28,240 getting it right now. It's awesome. We can always get back to that. So we're always kind 473 00:44:28,240 --> 00:44:36,000 of connected to it. So when we pass away, our physical body passes away. There's really 474 00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:42,680 no fear, right? We're going to be returned with our whole spirit and with our soul family 475 00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:46,080 or with whatever's next and take on the next challenge. 476 00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:52,920 Okay. I like that. Do you have any other messages today that you want to share with everybody? 477 00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:58,040 I guess if I had to say one thing just off the top of my head, it would have to do with 478 00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:05,520 the points of connection. It would have to do with looking at embeddings and thinking 479 00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:11,720 about not just processing things in life, but letting them integrate into yourself fully. 480 00:45:11,720 --> 00:45:17,160 And that's a whole other thing. But these connections are so important because even 481 00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:22,720 if you have not had an NDE or if you've had one and it's like way different from mine, 482 00:45:22,720 --> 00:45:28,840 there's still points in the story or I don't know, could be something as simple as the 483 00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:33,880 time of day that you watch this or this day and it's a special day because of this reason 484 00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:42,240 for you. Those have meaning and you don't have to have an NDE to derive that meaning 485 00:45:42,240 --> 00:45:48,680 to see these in everyday life. They're all around us all the time. And we are so, so 486 00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:56,120 loved even by living people, right? Like you and me. And I think that's that is the biggest 487 00:45:56,120 --> 00:46:02,920 message, right? These experiences are shown to us to really heighten humanity, to bring 488 00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:09,880 it back to the love, understanding the purpose, fulfillment, reason, things like that. 489 00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:14,800 What do people need to do today to fill some of that love and bliss you mentioned a minute 490 00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:15,800 ago? 491 00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:28,200 Great question. Maybe perhaps not be so quick to react to surface level topical things. 492 00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:34,120 Our natural state is abundance. Like one of the saying, another saying I love is emotion 493 00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:41,000 is energy in motion. I love that one. So if we're trying to feel that bliss and that 494 00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:49,120 love, we ourselves, yourself has got to reach that frequency. That's the best way that you 495 00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:53,920 can actually feel these feelings that you can feel the same thing as an NDE essentially. 496 00:46:53,920 --> 00:47:01,440 I mean, it really does. It feels the same. It's wild. It's all about frequency, energy. 497 00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:06,880 If you look at people like Dr. David Hawkins, he has something called the map of consciousness. 498 00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:12,320 It's a very basic experiment, but it's one of the only ones that we have to date where 499 00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:21,640 he logs emotions or behaviors with numbers, miracle values, and love is on the high scale. 500 00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:26,000 So yeah, the closer we can get to that, because they want to reach us, right? Like from that 501 00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:31,640 side, that love and stuff, like that's the goal here. So making yourself available to 502 00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:37,040 that, not getting logged down in the everyday stuff, not overreacting. There's lots of little 503 00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:41,120 things, little health well-being things for that. 504 00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:45,480 All right. Thanks a lot, Lisa. Appreciate you being with us today. 505 00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:51,400 Thank you. Thank you for having me. 506 00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:55,880 Thanks again for listening and remember to share this podcast. To be notified when the 507 00:47:55,880 --> 00:48:01,400 next episode goes live, follow us on your podcasting app or click over to roundtripdeath.com. 508 00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:07,440 And sign up for our email newsletter. One last thing, we are continually trying to improve 509 00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:12,800 this podcast and we value your feedback. 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