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Hello everyone and welcome back to What in the

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World is Dyscalculia? This podcast is all about

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the math -related specific learning disorder,

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dyscalculia, and I'm your host, Dr. Honora Wall.

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The podcast is sponsored by Educalc Learning,

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and you can learn more about dyscalculia and

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teachers at EducalcLearning .com. You can also

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visit the Dyscalculia Training and Research

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Institute. That website is thedtri .org. And

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that's where you can find information on how

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we support school districts, larger area education

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agencies, or state departments of education through

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our nonprofit services. Okay, so today in the

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podcast, we're going to focus on something adjacent.

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to dyscalculia, we're going to talk about executive

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function. You might be wondering, why are we

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talking about executive function in a podcast

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about dyscalculia? Well, there's a lot of crossover,

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sometimes even complete comorbidity. And what

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I mean by that is we can see students with dyscalculia

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who sometimes struggle with executive function

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issues. We can also see people who have executive

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function issues who seem to have dyscalculia

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because their math struggles are so severe and

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sometimes we get a neuropsych evaluation that

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shows comorbidity a person definitely has both

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according to that full battery of tests. So we're

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going to talk about executive function because

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the more we know the more we can support our

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students and in some cases our children or ourselves.

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So I'm going to bring you some information that

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came from a great research article published

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in 2015 by Diamond and Ling, if you want to look

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it up. It was published in Developmental Cognitive

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Neuroscience, which is a journal that pretty

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clearly focuses a lot on neuroscience. So that's

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where this lens comes from. Neuroscience is the

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field that first started researching dyscalculia

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in the 1930s. Then it really bled over into psychology

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and now is picking up more steam in educational

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research. Same trajectory as dyslexia, but dyslexia

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got really popular really fast, whereas we are

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still picking up and gaining traction. So this

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article was about executive function and it was

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a meta study which means the authors looked at

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a whole bunch of published research and summarized

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and disseminated their findings. In this article,

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there were 84 different studies included. So

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the researchers, Diamond and Ling, went through

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all 84 studies, gathered all the information

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they could, and put together some of the sort

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of best practices, if you will, and some of the

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misconceptions around executive function. So

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here are the main things we need to know about

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executive function before we get started. What

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is it? It's a big trending keyword these days

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executive function and there's all sorts of people

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claiming they can help increase executive function

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skills and that something as teachers were told

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to work on in the classroom to help our students

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with and you know it's not not all that easy

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and as teachers we certainly have plenty enough

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on our plates already so I'm always wary of anything

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else new that teachers are supposed to be doing

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because we've got plenty going on luckily a lot

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of the things that help are going to be things

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that you're probably already doing we just want

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to tweak the way you're applying these skills

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a little bit or give you some ideas of what to

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put in the classroom and also help you manage

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the expectation of what your help is going to

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lead to for your students. So here's what executive

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function is. It lives in your prefrontal cortex,

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kind of the forehead -ish part of the brain.

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It is not fully developed. for anyone until we're

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in our mid -twenties some people are even saying

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early thirties so it's something that we we build

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and develop over time and executive function

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has three components I'm getting all of this

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right from the article, so you can go to that

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original source and see exactly what I'm saying

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and delve more into what the authors had to say.

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But the three parts for executive function, inhibitory

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control, working memory, and cognitive flexibility.

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Those are the three components of executive function.

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So what in the world do they mean? Inhibitory

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control, basically that's our ability to resist

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distractions. I wish I had a little more skill

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in that area. So you're inhibiting reacting to

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stimuli, basically. And if you can control this

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area of your life, then you're really good at

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saying, oh, this is a great TV show, but right

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now I'm finishing the dishes. I'm going to get

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this done before I move on to that other activity.

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and if you have poor inhibitory control then

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you're probably washing the dishes and watching

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the TV show and folding the laundry and only

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half of any of those things are getting done

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before you decide you have a great creative idea

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and you want to go for a walk. So you can clearly

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see how inhibitory control is a part of ADHD

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as well. The second part of Executive function

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is working memory, which is key to most anything

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we do. And students with dyscalculia could have

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high, medium, or low scores on working memory

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in their neuropsych evaluation. So if you're

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reading one of those evaluations, you want to

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look at the percentile rank for working memory

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and see where the student lands. As in anything

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in life, stronger working memory is going to

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make your life easier. And working memory is

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not just our short -term memory, that quick information

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that comes in and we hold it for a little bit

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before we decide what moves into long -term memory.

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Working memory is a little more involved than

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that. It's the information that we're holding

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and also our ability to manipulate that information

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while we're holding it. So let's say I'm cooking

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a new recipe and I'm reading the ingredients

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list and I'm holding in my head in the short

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-term memory I need paprika, I need salt, I need

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pepper, I need garlic, and my working memory

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is also thinking about what's in my cupboard.

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Do I have any paprika? did i pick up pepper the

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last time i got it at the store can i get those

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things out and put them on the counter have i

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defrosted the chicken do i need to make this

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dish tomorrow night because the next ingredient

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is apricot jelly and i'm going through a mental

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scan of the fridge and i don't think i have any

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of that so i'm manipulating my plan i'm thinking

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about where i might have some apricot jelly or

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a different substitution that would allow me

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to make the recipe but not exactly with the same

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ingredients but something similar so i'm manipulating

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all of that information while i'm holding it

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in my mind i might be doing that while i'm walking

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around the kitchen or getting out the pan i'm

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going to bake in so that's where it's involved

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in memory i'm not constantly reading the ingredients

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while i'm looking in the cupboard or while i'm

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looking in the fridge holding it in that working

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memory So the manipulation, the thinking about

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what's in your working memory is an important

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piece. The third component, cognitive flexibility.

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Can we adjust our thinking based on the demands

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of the situation? Are we flexible or are we more

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rigid in our thinking? Something should be done

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this way so it has to be done that way and if

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not we have a problem. That's pretty rigid. Compare

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that to, well, something needs to happen this

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way. I don't have all of those things. I can

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do something slightly different, or I can get

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to my goal in a different way, or I can pause

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for a minute, think of some other options. That's

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flexible. So cognitive flexibility being able

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to adjust to the situation. And you can see how

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that's important to a math class because one

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of the things we want students to have is the

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flexibility to look at a math problem and think

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of all the different ways they could approach

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that problem. How might they solve it? What skills

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do they need? What steps do they need to follow?

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Is there a formula? Is there prior knowledge

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involved? Can they? estimate what the answer

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might be and therefore check their work as they're

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going through. All of that flexibility is a big

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part of mathematical thinking. Alright, so when

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we put the three together, inhibitory control,

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strong working memory, cognitive flexibility,

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then this leads us to our executive function

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skills, reasoning, problem solving, and planning,

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which you can Clearly see, if you are strong

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at reasoning, problem solving, and planning,

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your life is going to go much more smoothly in

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general from birth to end than it would for a

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person who struggles in those areas. A lot of

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our students struggle with executive function

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skills, and it shows up in that lack of planning,

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a lack of follow through, that distraction, not

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quite getting things done. in a timely fashion,

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the way it needs to be done, finishing the homework,

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remembering you even had homework, actually putting

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the finished homework into a book bag, getting

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it out and giving it back to the teacher. That's

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where we usually focus on executive function

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in the classroom. So then, now that we know what

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it is, what do we do about it? And again, because

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it's trending, How do we look at some of the

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popular models and programs and services and

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choose something that's actually effective? So

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here's what the researchers Diamond and Ling

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summarized in the article from the 84 studies

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they looked at. And I'm going to give you the

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highlights, the key points, kind of a broad overview.

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and you can go to Google Scholar or anywhere

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else where you can find scholarly research and

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dive deep into the article if you'd like to know

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more. Okay, so here are the highlights. Number

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one, executive function can be improved. We can

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increase a person's executive function skills

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and their ability to reason problem -solving

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and plan. However, we don't really know how much

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improvement we can expect for any given student

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for any given program and we don't know how long

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those improvements are going to last. This is

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not something that we go through short intervention

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and suddenly we come out the other side and our

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executive function skills are perfect for the

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rest of our lives. That's not what happens. The

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amount of improvement depends on a lot of different

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factors. They talk about a few in the research

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article itself, but that part is pretty complex.

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And the ability to maintain progress. That can

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depend on quite a few factors, but the biggest

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one it comes down to is continued practice of

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those skills. So again, it's not that... fourth

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grade we do a great program about improving executive

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function or in seventh grade we have that one

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teacher who's really that's what they're doing

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in their weekly executive function boot camp

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and now everything is fixed no no no this is

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long -term work and continued practice very much

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the same way as any kind of physical exercise

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that you do If you're working out regularly,

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you're going to have some great health benefits.

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And most of those will continue. You'll stay

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in pretty good shape. If you suddenly stop your

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physical activity, guess what's also going to

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stop? Your improvement in your physical abilities.

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And then over time, it's going to erode. Your

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physical health can decline. So if you want to

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maintain good physical health, you need to maintain

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some sort of physical activity. And if you want

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to maintain good executive function skills, you

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need to maintain the program. Of course, that's

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going to be really difficult if one of your issues

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is consistency, which is very common among people

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who struggle with executive function or have

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ADD, ADHD, consistency. can just be a nightmare

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problem. So we can make improvements. It's not

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going to be a be all end all cure and it's not

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a one time intervention and then we're done.

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Number two, wide transfer or far transfer does

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not really occur even under the best executive

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function improvement programs. And what does

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that mean? That means that if I am practicing

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improving my executive function in one area,

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let's say writing down homework every day in

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the planner, my intervention piece is going to

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be the teachers coming over at the end of the

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day walking around the desks, stopping at mine

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and saying, okay, Honora, we need to write this

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homework down. I'm going to stand here with you

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while you get it. It's right there on the board.

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Can you see from here? All right, the first one

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is that math. Write it down. Great. You've also

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got some reading. Let's get that in there. Great.

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And you've got that history project. Now that's

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due Friday. I would do at least three pages of

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that today so that you're ready for the Friday.

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Okay, great. And then the teacher moves on. We

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do that over time. Hopefully the intervention

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is such and it's working and helping that the

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teacher walking over to my desk triggers me to

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start writing what's on the board or to ask questions

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about what's on the board Hopefully after a period

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of time, which would be different for every person

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The teacher comes around to my desk. I've already

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got it written down. That's great. I'm showing

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improvement in that particular executive function

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piece of writing down my information so I can

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plan my homework for the afternoon or my project

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for this week. That skill does not automatically

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transfer to me actually doing the homework or

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to me turning the homework in. It does not transfer

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to me actually completing the history project

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or completing it by Friday or turning it in.

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So we can have improvement, but it doesn't automatically

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transfer to everything else. We're going to have

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to work on those pieces as well. For teachers,

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a lot of that can be fixed if you have students

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work on projects in class or in school time.

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So we are not even giving them the opportunity

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to forget when they get home. They already got

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it done and they can work on longer projects

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the last 15 or 20 minutes of class two or three

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days a week over the period of a month building

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up to. Another strategy a lot of teachers will

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use is to assign smaller parts of a project and

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then over time those smaller parts can be put

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together into a complete project. But again that

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skill on, let's say we're doing that on a long

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-term project, that will not automatically translate

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into the executive function of planning what

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I need to pack in the bag for next week as far

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as my battery -charged calculator, my sharpened

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pencils, my highlighters. I'm not doing that

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kind of planning just because I planned for a

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project. So the transfer is an issue. Number

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three, and I thought this one was really interesting,

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shout out to the SEL people who are listening.

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We know from scientific research that stress,

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sadness, loneliness, and lack of sleep. all have

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negative impacts on executive function skills.

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Now that one is huge when we think about how

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many people are suffering from anxiety disorders,

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depressive disorders, trauma backgrounds, how

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many people are suffering from feeling lonely

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or cut off from peers, our reliance on technology

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which erodes human connection. And the amount

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of stress and especially lack of sleep so many

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of our students are experiencing, not only the

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high schoolers, but our over -scheduled, over

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-extended children as young as elementary. So

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when kids are in way too many sports, way too

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many clubs, pushing all the time, expected to

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get really great grades, they're doing tutoring

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outside of school. They're constantly on the

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go. There's no time for the brain to relax, to

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be creative, to reflect on planning, to reflect

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on problem solving, which does not come under

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stress. It comes from periods of reflection and

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quiet. The more we put that onto children, the

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more we are impacting their executive function

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skills. in a bad way. So if we really want to

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improve executive function overall, we've got

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to make sure people are having some happy experiences

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in their life, that they're getting a lot of

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rest. The sleep rest and the downtime rest of

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just not being under stress and not feeling disconnected.

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So that's an important one for parents really

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to keep in mind. as teachers there's only so

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much of that we can impact because we see our

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students for a small amount of time compared

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to the rest of their their whole life but any

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thing we can do to make our classrooms a safe

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stress -free happy place the more we're benefiting

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our students number five really struck out to

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me they examined a lot of studies that focused

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on physical exercise, some kind of being active

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and what impact that might have on executive

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function skills. So they looked at a lot of different

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sports, a lot of different activities a student

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might be in, cardio, aerobics, all sorts of things.

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And while they do make some things better because

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being physically active can reduce stress and

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help you meet other people and connect and reduce

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loneliness, that is a minor benefit. However,

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physical activity alone is not tied to improving

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executive function skills unless it's yoga or

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taekwondo. The studies where students were put

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into yoga practices or taekwondo practices, those

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children increased executive function skills.

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And here's the the asterisk to all of it. Whatever

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you're doing, you have to be really happy about

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doing it. Physical activity that brings you joy

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will help increase your executive function skills,

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especially if it's yoga or taekwondo. If you're

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not liking what you're doing and you're forcing

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yourself or you've been forced into a program

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and you hate it, you're not going to get any

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benefit. So there's some interesting future research

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on that one for sure. But yoga and taekwondo

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definitely help increase executive function skills

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in most people who do it, as long as they like

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doing it. Okay, and number one, two, three, four,

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five, and the last big highlight of this article,

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improving executive function challenges means

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that the person has to be a little bit outside

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of their comfort zone. They have to be a little

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bit challenged. Not left alone. More like Vygotsky's

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zone of proximal development combined with a

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more knowledgeable other. Someone who can help

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kind of challenge and push a person outside of

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their comfort zone. It's not just practicing

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the skills. That practice alone does not improve

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executive function skills. There's got to be

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a little bit of a challenge in there. If I go

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back to my example of the teacher walking around

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the room checking everybody's planner, the push

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might be after I've Checked a few times and helped

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students stood next to them make them write it

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down word We're not leaving the room until we've

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made sure together that this is complete, but

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I'm doing it with the student I'm not leaving

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them out in the cold. They know we're doing it

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together I'm reading a few things off the board

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to make sure they can see it. I made sure they

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got it written down They did the writing we're

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a team in this effort then over time I'm gonna

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use a little bit of scaffolding and I'm gonna

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prompt everyone. Okay, we're all getting our

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homework in the planner. I'm about to walk around

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the room. Here's what you're writing down. This

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for math, this for English, this for history.

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Then I start doing my walk. I might need to stop

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at a student's desk and say, all right, you got

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the math. We got two more. And now I'm not reading

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from the board because I already gave them the

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prompt. I'm pushing them to do it a little more

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on their own. After a little bit of time, I scaffold

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again and I say okay we're getting the homework

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in the planner it's on the board when you're

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done bring your planner up to me and then you

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can pack up your bag to leave now I'm putting

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that onus on the student they still have to come

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to me and show me it's an end -of -day activity

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then they get to wrap up their stuff and go home

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I can either keep an eye on who's been up to

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the desk or if it's a very large class maybe

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I'm just putting little dots next to initials

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on a list, something to track to make sure I've

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seen everyone and they've shown me their work,

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but I've really put it onto them. Now if I know

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students are struggling with this skill, then

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after a long break or after a certain period

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of time, if I notice this is falling off, I'm

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going to go back to the beginning where I stand

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at the desk and I talk them through it. I'm going

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to let them know that we're not just letting

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go with this skill. We're going to keep working

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on it over time and I'm going to go back through

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the scaffolding and keep challenging them again.

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Now, of course, this is a very simplistic strategy

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and simplistic intervention, but it's something

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pretty easy to implement in any classroom. And

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parents, if you're listening and you want to

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do this at home, the way you're going to do it,

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it's not going to be that you're going to say,

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You have to do the dishes after dinner and then

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it never comes up again. It's that after dinner

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first. I'm gonna say Let's get the kitchen cleaned

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up. You are in charge of the dishes. I'm in charge

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of wiping down the counters and now we're in

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the kitchen together We're doing it together.

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I might stand in the kitchen say I can't start

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until you start Let's bring those dishes in here

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and we're getting that done together and then

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over time I'm going to step away from what I'm

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doing in the kitchen, make sure they're getting

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the dishes done. I'm going to give them some

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other reminders. I'm not going to say you're

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doing the dishes and then leave the room. I'm

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still going to be actively a part of that process

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until they're getting it done. If they want to

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move on to another activity, I'm going to say

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let me check those dishes first. Then when we

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know that it's totally wrapped up, then you can

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go on to something else. So I can still use the

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scaffolding at home. But I want it to be a team

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effort. I don't want it to be a punishing activity,

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and I want a scaffold slowly checking in over

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time to make sure things are done. That way I'm

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really helping the child close the loop of starting

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an activity and finishing it to completion, going

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back to that inhibitory control. So pretty basic.

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intervention model but it is something you can

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do. So to wrap up our executive function talk

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for today. Executive function skills can be improved

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in different amounts for different people. It's

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got to be targeted interventions. They have to

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feel like you're in there with them. You need

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to challenge them a little bit, not too hard

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of a challenge, in a way that they can handle.

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And you're using those scaffolding skills to

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put the work back onto them and let them take

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control of it. And we need to remember that once

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the skill is learned, it is not stuck there forever.

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We want to keep checking in over time. because

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the executive function skills constantly need

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to be worked so that they maintain whatever improvement

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we've got. And our three parts of executive function,

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inhibitory control, working memory, and cognitive

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flexibility. We need to train children on these

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skills, help them practice, and help them develop

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it over time. And when we do, we're going to

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see better reasoning, problem solving, and planning.

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Those are the skills that we're hoping to improve

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over time. Okay, so that wraps up the things

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I found most interesting from the article by

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Diamond and Ling published in 2015. And I'd love

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to know your thoughts and comments. What's working

00:28:39.569 --> 00:28:42.529
for your students? What's working for your children?

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What questions do you still have about executive

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function and the interplay between that and dyscalculia?

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there's quite a lot uh hopefully it was pretty

00:28:53.900 --> 00:28:56.500
clear to you in the podcast but if you still

00:28:56.500 --> 00:28:58.680
have questions please reach out you can find

00:28:58.680 --> 00:29:03.519
me on the social medias i'm on tiktok instagram

00:29:03.519 --> 00:29:07.299
youtube we have a teacher support group on facebook

00:29:07.299 --> 00:29:10.440
that's almost 2 000 members strong very excited

00:29:10.440 --> 00:29:15.019
about that and you can learn more at the what

00:29:15.019 --> 00:29:18.599
in the world is dyscalculia podcast and email

00:29:18.599 --> 00:29:26.160
me I'd love to have some of your feedback and

00:29:26.160 --> 00:29:29.940
answer your questions about the math learning

00:29:29.940 --> 00:29:33.839
disorder dyscalculia. Thanks for listening. We'll

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talk again soon.
