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Hello and welcome back to What in the World is

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dyscalculia, the podcast where we talk all

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about the math learning disability. I'm your

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host, Dr. Honora Wall, and you can probably hear

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I have a little bit of a cold or allergies today.

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I haven't determined exactly which one it is,

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but I set a goal for this year to be truly consistent.

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With my podcast and social reels and if you're

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going to be consistent, you're going to get the

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work done No matter what so here we are The podcast

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is really important and I'm excited to be more

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consistent with our episodes There's just so

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much to talk about and there's a lot of exciting

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things happening in the world of dyscalculia

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and dysgraphia and dyspraxia and neurodivergence

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in general so it's a very exciting time to be

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a part of this growing awareness around these

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issues and I want to talk today about one issue

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that I need all parents and teachers to truly

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understand and I need all students to really

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buy into what I'm talking about today because

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it's going to make a huge difference not only

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in your math performance, but also in your comprehension

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and your self -confidence around math. Quick

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note, the What in the World is dyscalculia

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podcast is put on by Educalc Learning and you

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can also find information about the math disability

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through our nonprofit, the dyscalculia Training

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and Research Institute, educalclearning .com

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or thedtri .org. Lots of information on those

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sites for you as well. So let's get into today's

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topic. I want to talk about three very specific

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reasons why you should always have students use

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their calculator or their external resource of

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any kind, I'll talk about them, and write down

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their work. Students, if you are not checking

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your calculations and you are not writing down

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your work, you have exponentially increased the

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chance of getting the wrong answer, even when

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you understand the math and you know what you're

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supposed to do. There's no reason to leave points

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on the floor of the classroom simply because

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you didn't verify your initial thought. That

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is sloppy work. Teachers, I need you to require

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precision and don't allow any kind of sloppy

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work. And I'll also point out for those of you

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who work with high achieving students, this is

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a really great habit to get into because everyone

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hits their wall when it comes to math. Students

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who are struggling are going to hit it earlier.

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Students who do Fantastic job and are always

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great at math in elementary and middle Sometimes

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even in high school. They're still gonna hit

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their wall. They could hit it in Algebra or geometry

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or maybe they hit it when they get into college

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but the older a student is when they hit the

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wall in their math performance the harder that

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hit is because they've relied on the parlor trick

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of mental math and Just getting it super fast

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and not having to work at it and now they don't

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have the steady skills and the strategies to

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back themselves up. And it's very damaging and

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disruptive. So we can avoid that by putting in

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good habits earlier. And we know that as teachers,

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so let's talk about those good habits and the

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justification for them. I want students to be

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using their grade -appropriate tool to check

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calculations. Early grades, that could be a number

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line. Could be a 1 to 1 hundredths chart. Could

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be a multiplication list. I really hope you've

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printed out that old -fashioned times tables

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list and you're using that for so many different

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topics. Listen to some of our other podcasts

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or watch our YouTube channel or get into some

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of the monthly training and you'll find out why

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and how to use that tool. Then we're gonna move

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into a calculator. We're gonna use formula sheets.

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to make sure we're writing down the right formula,

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putting numbers in their right spot, and we're

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checking our work as we go through. That's the

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first thing I want students doing all the time,

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and here's why. We're going to use that in conjunction

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with writing down our work. That is a tough one,

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especially if a student has comorbidity with

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dysgraphia, so it's going to look like a train

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wreck, and that's okay. unless you are the writing

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teacher you should not be grading on how nicely

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the numbers look anyway you're going to use graph

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paper or some lined paper and grids and help

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students kind of line up their work and practice

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that handwriting skill we're not writing down

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work so that it looks beautiful and to improve

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writing necessarily but we are doing it to activate

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different parts of the brain through that tactile

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experience and we're getting into a habit of

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writing things down so students can find their

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best handwriting, whatever it happens to look

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like for them, but we don't just give up on the

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skill if we know it's a struggle. We practice

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it and we don't grade on that because we know

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it's a struggle the student can't really control

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if they have dysgraphia or some other fine motor

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skill issue. There's more than one thing that

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can make a person have problem with handwriting,

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but we do want to write down that work because

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only doing work in our head It's very difficult.

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Super easy to get lost in your thoughts, to overwhelm

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your short -term memory, and to get the wrong

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answer or lose your place. That's a second reason

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for writing down work. Let's say there's a distraction.

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There's a noise in the room. Someone comes in

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the room. You think about something else. I lose

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my train of thought all the time. Every adult

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does. So there's no reason we shouldn't expect.

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Children will as well. If I've written down what

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I'm doing, Then I can go look at what I did and

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see where I left off much more efficient Than

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trying to keep everything in your head. So the

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written work will help you keep track of where

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you are in a problem Help you keep track of your

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planning. How are you gonna finish this problem

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and It's a really useful skill. So here's our

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three reasons why we're gonna use that external

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tool and we're gonna write down our work This

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is a great way to show evidence of our thinking,

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which is a big trend in math right now. We've

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been doing this, capturing evidence of thinking

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through these very strange open -ended questions

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on a math problem. Even something as elementary

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level math as John has two red marbles, Sally

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has three blue marbles, how many marbles do they

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have in all? Explain your thinking. Well, the

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thinking is that we added 2 plus 3. So if we

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need evidence of thinking, showing where we got

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those numbers on a number line or 1 to 100's

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chart or through manipulatives, that's a demonstration.

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Not all demonstration and evidence has to be

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written. It could be oral, it could be shown

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through using tools, or it could be written down

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for a student who prefers using their words and

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writing out an explanation. It's also a great

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way for you to informally find evidence of thinking.

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You can look at what your students are doing.

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You can watch them use the 1 to 100 chart number

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line multiplication list calculator and see what

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buttons are they pushing, in what order, where

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are they putting their finger, are they counting

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on Or are they starting to count from the square

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they're at? Are they able to make some loops

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on that number line, kind of hop along, forward,

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or backward? Now you can see what's going on

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because you're watching them do it. The student

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has to be the one doing the work. Otherwise,

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you're going to have no idea what the student

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actually knows. When they're writing it down,

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you can see. Are they using the proper formula?

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Are they following the right steps and procedures?

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Which step is a stumbling block for different

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students? So for example, let's say I'm working

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with formulas at any grade level. We really start

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using formulas very early and I'll go with a

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straightforward one. Let's say I'm finding perimeter

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and I've been working a couple of days on adding

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different sides to get a total perimeter, but

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now We're doing an extension. We're doing the

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reverse. I have the perimeter. I'm looking for

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a missing side. Well, first of all, working backwards

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like that is an entirely different skill for

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a student with dyscalculia. It's not a forward

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and back connection. It's not like a fact family.

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Those inverse operations can be separate and

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unique situations. Separate and unique math topics

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for a student with dyscalculia. Understanding

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that can change your approach to teaching that

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lesson and having the student write down the

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formula put the numbers where they go and you

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can look over their shoulder watch them do it

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on a dry erase board and Hold those up so you

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can scan everyone in the class before they get

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started Did they put the total perimeter where

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the P is in the formula or did they put it somewhere

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else? Now you can see evidence that they are

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using a formula appropriately putting numbers

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where they go, and that's going to set them up

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for success. That is true of our most basic to

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our most complex formulas. And if you are an

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older math student, hold on, make it through

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some of those complex formulas like distance

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or quadratic formula, because if you can get

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to physics, those formulas are much easier, much

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more straightforward. The ones in statistics

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aren't actually that bad. We just use a lot of

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weird notation at that point. And using notation

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or not for students with dyscalculia is something

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we've talked about in other podcast episodes.

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And you can read about the research from Dr.

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Katie Lewis out of Washington State for reasons

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why you as a teacher need to understand where

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students with dyscalculia struggle with those.

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Written math notations any who getting back to

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our topic today first reason why I want you using

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an external tool in written work is because it

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gives evidence of Thinking and it can help you

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correct students on the fly right away. Oh you

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put this number here. It's actually gonna go

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right here and Now we're set up more for success

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our second reason why we're going to do this.

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It lets the student confirm their prediction

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of what they think they're supposed to do, what

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they think the answer might be, what they think

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the next step is. If you have read any of the

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work about the way people think, the way the

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brain works, any of our other podcasts, we've

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talked about this before. The human brain is

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constantly predicting what it thinks will happen

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next. in every situation, not just in math class.

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This is how the human brain operates. We like

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to predict what we think is going to happen,

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and when we get confirmation that our prediction

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is accurate, we strengthen those neural pathways.

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When we get a confirmation that our thinking

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was incorrect, we weaken those neural pathways.

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If we never get confirmation, or if the confirmation

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comes the next day, or Monday after the test,

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or maybe never, then the brain doesn't really

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know what to do with that information. So an

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easy way for you to help strengthen some of the

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pathways and connections in the thought process

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for your student is to make sure they immediately

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check their work by using those external tools.

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And really by fourth grade. There are topics

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where you can start introducing a calculator

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to reduce cognitive load, allow the student to

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transfer the formula or the concept in the long

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-term memory without stumbling through numeracy

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issues, and now we're creating a very strong

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math foundation for the student. So we know they're

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going to predict. We want them to confirm either

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way immediately. For a student who's struggling,

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this can be the key to some really immediate

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growth. If they have low numeracy, weak math

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foundation, they're a multi -language learner,

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so they're trying to translate vocabulary in

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their head from one language to another, we want

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these external tools. It's going to strengthen

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the number part, so they can focus on the other

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parts that are important for them. And if they

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have dyscalculia, Their parietal lobe is going

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to lose math information over time, especially

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those basic facts. We know it to be true. So

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if you're teaching a student with known or suspected

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dyscalculia, here's an easy fix. Let them use

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their external tool, including the calculator,

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to check their work. If you don't, then what

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you're really assessing is their disability.

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You're not assessing their actual comprehension

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of math and their ability to do math, so That

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might be my strongest case personally, but even

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if they don't have dyscalculia the constant confirmation

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Ensures that the thing they remember is the right

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answer what they always have is the right answer.

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It's not a lot of wild guesses They have to be

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precise, and this is our third reason for using

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these external tools and for writing down our

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work. It's not just to take up a lot of extra

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time or to add to the workload. There are specific

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reasons tied to learning why this is important.

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And our third one is we're building a habit.

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We are requiring precision and accuracy. And

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that's vital. Trust and believe that if someone

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keep studying math and science and becomes a

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chemist or starts working at NASA, I want them

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to be precise and accurate in their work. There

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is a stage where human lives truly depend on

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it. If they go into medicine, I want them to

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be precise and accurate. If they go into nutrition,

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I want them to be precise and accurate with the

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advice that they're giving. We need precision

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and accuracy. That doesn't come down from the

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ether. We don't become precise and accurate through

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osmosis. We do it through habit. These habits

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are built when we're younger. Do it in school.

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Get into the habit in first, second, third, fourth

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grade of writing down work, checking answers,

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and being precise before you hand things in.

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Don't take the work! until the student has written

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something down, until they have confirmed all

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of their answers. It should be very easy grading

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for you as a teacher for all of your classwork

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and all of your homework because you don't accept

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it until they've gone through and confirmed.

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Hand it back. They can get a late score if they

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don't do it on time. We've got to do that early

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to build the habit. And then by middle school

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and high school, we have a much larger group

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of students who know they have to show their

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work, who know they have to go check their answers.

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They already are doing it. So my elementary teachers,

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if you can start doing it now, then my middle

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school and high school teachers are gonna have

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a nicer experience in a couple of years. Middle

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and high school, it's a struggle to build those

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new habits. Hard stop. I usually don't like to

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put more work on our classroom teachers. But

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let's face it, that's work that's going to be

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important. It has to be done. And for struggling

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students, it might be the thing that saves them.

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It's certainly at any age going to be the thing

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that increases math performance, both in the

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classroom and on those ever important end of

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year state tests. So if you're looking to increase

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test scores, your school if you're trying to

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change your performance rating at your school

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then as an administrator You better be getting

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into every single math class and making sure

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everyone's writing their work and using Whatever

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external tool is best for them and for the topic

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to check their work If you always have an a because

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you're always writing out your work and you're

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always checking your accuracy of your answers

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then You're going to continue that anytime you're

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doing math work. If you're constantly guessing,

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and you really have no idea if you're right or

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wrong, and you kind of get the broad strokes,

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you have the basic idea of what's going on, but

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you're not looking for the little tiny details

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that are part of accuracy, well that's why you're

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failing algebra 90 % of the time, even for students

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with a math learning disability. My students

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do very well in algebra because we use external

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tools like a calculator to handle the numeracy

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part we write things down and we verify that

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our numbers are in the right place and then with

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that habit we have the mental space to look for

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negative signs we have the mental space to remember

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the rules of combining like terms and we have

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the capacity to look for inverse operations and

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we're not exhausted by the time we get to the

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end of the work, we can go back to the original

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problem and say, did I find what they wanted?

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Did they ask for the value of x? Or are they

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asking for the measure of this angle? Do I need

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to apply the value of x that I found? This kind

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of work with longer steps and procedures can

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be exhausting. So if we want students to be complete

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with their answer, then we need to make sure

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they're not mentally exhausted. And the habits

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of precision and accuracy are the tools that

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get us there. So, to recap, we've got to have

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students using their external tools longer than

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we think they should. You've got to get over

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this idea that mental math and speed is some

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kind of indicator of math accuracy and ability.

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They're not Mathematical thinking should be efficient

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and it should be precise I don't want to eat

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a muffin from a baker who said, you know, I'm

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pretty sure it was a quarter teaspoon of Baking

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powder like I don't know I put it in there No,

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I'm if I'm paying for a muffin. I want it to

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be really good I'm gonna need you to be a little

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more precise with your measuring Same thing in

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math class. If I want students to be really good

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at math and to feel good when they're doing math

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and to understand and perform well in math, I

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need to let them use their external tools. I

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need to have them write down their work. If I'm

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going to be accurately grading what someone knows,

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I need to see it. I need to hear it. I need to

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have them show me and tell me. Ridden work. Here's

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why you're going to do it. It gives you better

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evidence of student thinking. For the student,

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it lets them confirm their predictions and create

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stronger neural pathways for the right answers.

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And over time, it builds the habit of being precise

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and accurate. Very important, not only in math,

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but really in any field. If you would like to

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know more about this topic, Or if you want to

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know more about the research behind these ideas,

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get on Google Scholar, find some research articles.

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We're always trying to build more of these onto

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the website so that you can go back to the original

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source material and check out our websites, educalclearning

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.com or you can look at thedtri .org for more

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information. I'm Dr. Honora Wall. I appreciate

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you being part of the What in the World is Dyscalculia

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family, and please send me your questions, comments,

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