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The B -Side and Boxing. B -Side shit. B -Side.

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B -Side. And the B -Side. You got a B -Side.

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The B -Side. B -Side. B -Side. B -Side. The B

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-Side thing. This is the B -Sides Boxing Podcast.

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Alright, let's fucking boogie. Boxing B -Sides.

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We are here to talk the fights. I'm joined by

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the one and only Saul. T -Bone Saul. T -Bone

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Steak Saul. What's up, guys? Welcome back to

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the Boxing Beast. I was happy to be back again

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after a great week of boxing. And Josh, welcome.

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Oh, yeah. This is a good couple weeks of news

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and box. Oh, as we often do, extending the hand

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of friendship to our fellows over at the Ultimate

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F in Casuals, I wanted to bring up from February

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13th, won Fight Night 40. This was a mixed event.

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They had MMA fights, kickboxing, and Muay Thai.

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The one that stood out the most, Nico Carrillo

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beating Shadow. That's the guy's name. The name

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is Shadow? Yes. The Thai people have some funky

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names. Interesting. Shadow got fucking murked

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at the end of what was a very, very entertaining

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fight. On the MMA side of the house, this is

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my current fight of the year. It's extremely

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good. I would recommend to anyone. There's no

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grappling, no wrestling, nothing like that. No,

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one is always a good watch. Yeah. This is a really

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good fight. No grappling, no wrestling. Yep.

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I wonder what that sounds like, huh? That's why

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they're here in the first place. They're not

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listening to the MMA podcast. Well, Muay Thai,

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I think, is a good... If you wanted to dip your

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toe in the rest of the limbs being used for the

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fight, I think Muay Thai is a good place to start.

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But, yeah, if you want to hear more of that ultimate

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effing casuals, wherever you're listening to

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this, you can hear that as well. In the boxing

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world, the old king has dusted off his crown,

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shaken up. He broke Mayweather. He has shaken

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up the sporting world. Floyd. No Money Mayweather

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has stepped out of retirement. He has two things

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coming up. In April, he has an exhibition with

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Mike Tyson. And then in September, he has a rematch

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professional fight against Manny Pacquiao. I

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was pretty happy with not having to hear their

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names anymore. Mario Barrios is to blame. Straight

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up. I can't, like, straight up blame Mario Barrios

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for this shit. And we'll get to wide later on.

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Yeah. Are we going to talk about who's going

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to win? I got an interesting take. Go for it.

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I think Manny might win the rematch. What makes

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you say that? If it's, and this is clearly speaking

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on if it's actually a real fight, you know. that

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they're not just going to go easy on each other.

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You know what I mean? Manny doesn't go easy on

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these exhibitions. He actually, like, if you

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watch his exhibitions, like, they're not boring.

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He's just washed. But he does not take it easy

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on the guys. The thing with Mayweather is that

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he might just think of it as, like, you know,

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in Rocky, he doesn't know it's a show. He thinks

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it's a damn fight, you know? So, you never know.

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I think Manny might sound silly, but he's had

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more experience. in higher level fights in the

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last, what, five years? Nine years since he retired.

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Yeah, since Mayweather retired. And Mayweather's

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last fight was against, Mayweather's last real

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fight was against Andre Berto. You know? So,

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we gotta see how that's gonna turn out for Mayweather,

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but honestly, if it's how I'm thinking it's gonna

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go, I might just go to Manny because he's gotten

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more work in. Or maybe I'm just fucking silly

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as hell. Do we think the WBC sticks a trinket

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belt on this so it can go 12? Of course they

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do. Yeah. That's the real question, I guess.

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Also, are we doing the Trap House in Vegas for

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this one? Damn, that's a good question. No, I'm

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good off that one. Yeah, I'm not sure if I want

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this to be the one. It might not be worth it.

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I think that for a certain period of time in

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the beginning, in the opening rounds, there is

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going to be a time frame where Mayweather's going

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to have the realization that Pacquiao's taking

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this seriously. The thing is, though, I don't

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think that Floyd Mayweather came out of retirement

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to sell his zero. I don't think that's what he's

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doing. No. Well, he came back with money for

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sure. Well, no shit. No doubt. Absolutely, it's

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about money. But I don't think he's selling at

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zero yet. Honestly, and I don't want to sound

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crazy, but if you really wanted money, yeah,

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you can make money fighting Manny. But if you

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want to make serious, serious money, fight Terrence

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Crawford. Fight Terrence Crawford and have that

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be a super fight. The best of this generation

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versus the best of last generation. That undoubtedly

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sells, you know? I mean, there's motherfuckers

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about Mayweather versus Gotti, right? There's

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motherfuckers about Mayweather versus Paul, you

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know? I mean, seriously, people will watch that

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shit. To watch Terrence Crawford come out of

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retirement, watch fucking Floyd come out of retirement

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and fight. I mean, come on, y 'all wouldn't watch

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that? But in this case, it would be Mayweather

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coming out of retirement to lose. Which is why

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I don't think he would ever do that. You never

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know. His entire image is built on being undefeated.

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Yeah, but I mean, money... True. At this point,

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if he needs it bad enough, it won't... He might

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suck a dick for money, okay? That's kind of where

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he's getting at right now. The zero he's selling

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is his... He's smiling like a zero. Oh, yeah.

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Jeez. But yeah, Mayweather's coming out of retirement.

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He's facing Manny Pacquiao in September. Has

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Mike Tyson exhibition in April. Mike Tyson exhibition

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is going to be so funny, conceptually. That's

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going to be silly. It's just going to be Mayweather

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jabbing as he dances around him. Well, yes. It's

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going to be hilarious. I would love to watch

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that one. uh shinata put it as uh leave mike

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alone he's probably the one that wanted to do

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it in the first place yeah i was gonna say like

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maybe i just need an opponent and like yeah because

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there was that uh the talk of that kickboxing

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guy as well oh what's his face no but that doesn't

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matter but it's gonna be hilarious like literally

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just we're doing the old man circuit on netflix

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just for fun it sells i'm gonna be honest this

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might sell more than any other fight in 2025

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or 2026 other than maybe ag fury i i really want

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these dudes to go away man like we were just

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starting to rebuild just had an era yeah yeah

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we were just starting to rebuild out of that

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fucking like if you're not undefeated you're

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a bum Type of mentality. And then this motherfucker

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has to come back. And reinsert himself. Into

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the conversation. Honestly. Honestly. I'm just

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going to say right now. I'm just going to say

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right now. If Mayweather comes back. And fights

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Mike. Fights Manny. How much do you think he's

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going to fight. For a real title. And it might

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not even be someone against someone good. It

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might be someone like Lewis Crocker. That's true.

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He could be the 147. Yeah, I was going to say

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147 is kind of made of paper right now. Exactly.

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You have Rowley and Crocker as champions in the

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same division. Oh, you might even get, this might

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sound crazy, but you might even get a Canelo

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rematch. Okay. That'd be hilarious. Depending

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on how Floyd looks too, Canelo might be the more

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washed one. Which is, like, hilarious. It's hilarious

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to think about, but I'm right. What, Floyd's

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47? Canelo might be more cooked. Just because,

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like, Floyd stayed, like, hands aside, he stayed

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pretty healthy his whole career. Even in retirement,

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yeah, he put on a bit of weight, but he still

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stayed active. Whereas, like, Canelo, we've seen

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the decline in real time and the injuries pile

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up. It's not unrealistic to say that one guy

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might be more washed just because you got to

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remember Canelo has been a pro since he was 15.

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The miles on the clock are crazy. Floyd really

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like Miguel Cotto, Mosley, Castillo, maybe Maidana

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were like the only four like tough nights out

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and they weren't even like. Delahoya -ish. For

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the first, like, these are fights he didn't take

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particular punishment in. Like, he just got hit

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like a normal boxer, pretty much. I mean, you're

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forgetting about Drunken Master's night, too.

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I'll tell you that. That was a tough night. The

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night with the Drunken Master. But the point

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is that he has way less miles on the clock in

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terms of fighting. And let's say he gets, like...

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He's going to be worse, obviously. I'm not saying

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we're going to return to, like, prime Floyd,

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but I'm just saying Canelo might be more washed

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by the time the fight you're talking about happens.

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I mean, let me ask you this. How much do you

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think these fights sell? Not sell, but how much

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do you think... Mike's not going to sell shit.

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Mike's not going to sell shit, but... That's

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on Netflix, so it'll be free to watch, I guess,

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in a way. The sequel. is going to be... How many

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months is it? That's seven months to build it

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up. We shall see. Pacquiao has an exhibition

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coming up as well with Ruslan Provodnikov. 2013

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called. It would like it. It wants its CTE back.

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It would like its Super Fight back. Manny Pacquiao

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versus Ruslan Provodnikov. What the fuck is going

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on? Yeah, what are we doing at this point? Makes

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you wonder why they didn't fight in 2013. You

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know what? I was seeing on the Discord chat that

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we were talking about, like, what are, like,

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2010's, like, undercard fights to do specifically

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for, um, like, Mayweather Pacquiao 2, and I was

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like, we could do, we could run Tim Bradley,

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Ruslan Prodnodnikov, and just Provodnikov, and

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just... Like, old man CTE special. You know?

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You know, we could get Shannon Briggs versus

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Roy Jones Jr., just to be silly. Like, what is

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the worst, what is, like, the most, like, washed

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2010s matchup we can do for that undercard? Marcos

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Maidana versus Adrian Broner again. Again, but

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at heavyweight. Sergio Martinez. No, no. Marcos

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Maidana, Broner, too, but at heavyweight. They

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can just show up fat as shit. No, Adrian Broner

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versus Rios. Reynon Rios. That is some serious...

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This is some brutal shit, dude. Yeah. Like, another

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pizza's getting thrown at one of them. Like,

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uh... What is it? When Victor Ortiz lost that...

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What was it? Second? Yeah. Lost the second...

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Lost this rematch with Andre Berto. I was thinking

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of... Remember the fan threw the pizza at his

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face. I think it was Chavez Jr. versus Danny

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Jacobs. Oh, yeah. The slushie. Yeah. He got a

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drink thrown at him. Yeah. And a shoe. And a

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shoe. The George Bush special with the shoe.

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Is this a Saudi influence card or is this purely

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just TMT? I'm thinking it's TMT. I haven't heard

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of the Saudis really being involved with this

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one. I haven't yet. Maybe the Israeli government.

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Considering how... The Israeli government. You

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guys saw how Mayweather was sitting in front

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of a whole conference and said, I give my heart

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out to Israel. That's how you know a bro's broke,

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too. Young, hungry lion. That's true. If he's

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not making money from the Israeli farming, from

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Israeli lordping, I don't know. That's how you

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know he's broke. You're right. It's a young,

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hungry nation. Take my hat off to him. Jesus

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Christ. Well, no, it's not a young hungry nation.

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It's been a nation promised for 3 ,000 years.

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Oh, 2 ,000 years. Of course, of course. Who can

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forget? Of course. By the way, I love Israel.

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Don't kill me. Oh, my God. All right. So out

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of the old man circuit of 2026, is this another...

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Is this quackery? Jaime Munguia turns down the

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fight against Resendiz and Jamal Charlo is likely

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the replacement. Hilarious fight to start the

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replacement. Yeah, I don't know what the career

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plan for Munguia is. Munguia is silly because

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he turned down a fight with Osles. He turned

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down a fight with Resendiz. I understand Oslies

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because that's a fight you will lose. Oslies

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is no risk. There's all risk, no reward. But

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Resendiz is. You should be able to beat Resendiz.

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It's a winnable fight, right? All reward, maybe

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no risk. Unless his management and camp know

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something we don't. His chin could just be cracked.

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But is Resendiz a hard puncher? No. Heavy -handed

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-ish. He got fucking knocked out by, what's his

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name? Elijah Garcia. Elijah Garcia. Elijah fucking

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Garcia. If they know something we don't, that's

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when you gotta think about it a bit. I'm not

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saying it's not ridiculous, but you know. I understand

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what you're saying. They know something that

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he might have something broken in his body now.

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Something might be up. He does have mileage.

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Yeah, he definitely has mileage. He's been in

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wars. He fought fucking Canelo. I mean, obviously,

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say what you want, but he fought Canelo. He was

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the first one to get... No, that wasn't Munguia's

00:16:33.039 --> 00:16:37.159
first knockdown, right? No, well, I think the

00:16:37.159 --> 00:16:42.059
Saras... He's taken a lot of punishment, and

00:16:42.059 --> 00:16:48.340
Saras... seems to just crack them. I don't know.

00:16:49.679 --> 00:16:54.340
Like, it's... It's funny. His team might know

00:16:54.340 --> 00:16:57.039
something we don't, for sure. A couple years

00:16:57.039 --> 00:17:01.580
ago, a fucking Munguia Munguia Benavidez wasn't

00:17:01.580 --> 00:17:05.279
even out of the question. Now, Munguia doesn't

00:17:05.279 --> 00:17:07.380
want to fight a fucking Resendiz? Are you kidding

00:17:07.380 --> 00:17:10.740
me? Yes. Again, I'm speaking about this from

00:17:10.740 --> 00:17:15.710
a mile away. But come on, dude. It's got to be.

00:17:15.930 --> 00:17:18.430
I'm not going to call him an easy fight, but

00:17:18.430 --> 00:17:21.710
it's easier than Osley's. Probably the easiest

00:17:21.710 --> 00:17:23.569
route you're going to become a champ in that

00:17:23.569 --> 00:17:27.869
division. For sure. But again, you're right.

00:17:27.970 --> 00:17:34.450
We don't know. Well, I'm wondering what the situation

00:17:34.450 --> 00:17:38.609
at super middleweight is. Because Munguia...

00:17:39.039 --> 00:17:41.740
He's turned down two title fights. Diego Pacheco

00:17:41.740 --> 00:17:46.000
turned down a title fight. And Hamza Shiraz is

00:17:46.000 --> 00:17:49.779
not exactly someone to be afraid of quite as

00:17:49.779 --> 00:17:55.279
much as Iglesias. But turning down Resendiz,

00:17:55.400 --> 00:18:00.079
dude, what the fuck is going on? Do you just

00:18:00.079 --> 00:18:02.319
not want to be a champion at this point? Who

00:18:02.319 --> 00:18:04.779
are you going to fight? What are you fighting

00:18:04.779 --> 00:18:07.339
for? What's the point? He's going to fight under

00:18:07.339 --> 00:18:13.359
Canelo, for sure. In September. But... I mean,

00:18:13.380 --> 00:18:17.859
come on. Come on. I mean, what kind of fucking...

00:18:17.859 --> 00:18:20.519
What path are you going to go down? What path

00:18:20.519 --> 00:18:26.019
are you going to go on? Yeah. I don't know who

00:18:26.019 --> 00:18:30.480
his manager is. Well, if he's still in the Reynoso

00:18:30.480 --> 00:18:36.319
camp, it might be Eddie. Could be. Could be a

00:18:36.319 --> 00:18:40.609
Canelo promotions fighter. managers not listed

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on box rec uh yeah disappointment um it was my

00:18:49.230 --> 00:18:53.789
my initial reaction and the one that has persisted

00:18:53.789 --> 00:18:56.250
throughout from when i first read about this

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has been if a world title is not what you're

00:19:00.789 --> 00:19:03.630
fighting for then what are you doing why are

00:19:03.630 --> 00:19:05.970
you why are you in the sport subjecting yourself

00:19:05.970 --> 00:19:10.019
to this punishment for what To go to fucking

00:19:10.019 --> 00:19:13.920
Zufa. I'm not saying that out of the question.

00:19:14.019 --> 00:19:15.440
He's probably going to go to Zufa in my opinion.

00:19:15.759 --> 00:19:19.019
That's what it's looking to be. He's a perfect

00:19:19.019 --> 00:19:22.039
Zufa fighter. Zufa's going to have some gross

00:19:22.039 --> 00:19:26.200
purses for some mid guys to start. Not even for

00:19:26.200 --> 00:19:30.240
some mid guys. For guys that are fucking will

00:19:30.240 --> 00:19:34.000
take a shit ton of punishment. You know? Yeah,

00:19:34.000 --> 00:19:36.769
I guess. That's what they're getting. They're

00:19:36.769 --> 00:19:38.609
getting guys who can't take punishment to build

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up their own fighters. I believe so. Get recognizable

00:19:41.430 --> 00:19:45.849
names to have their dudes beat them. Yeah, to

00:19:45.849 --> 00:19:49.190
build up their own guys to be recognizable names.

00:19:49.490 --> 00:19:52.470
I mean, you beat a Munguia, you beat a Valenzuela,

00:19:52.589 --> 00:19:57.369
you beat a damn Edwin de los Santos. I mean,

00:19:57.369 --> 00:20:00.809
come on. I mean, I'm not trying to say that they're

00:20:00.809 --> 00:20:04.589
all like shitters, but they're names, and if

00:20:04.589 --> 00:20:06.960
you beat them, you beat... You beat the guy that

00:20:06.960 --> 00:20:09.539
beat that, that fought Canelo. You beat, uh,

00:20:09.660 --> 00:20:12.259
the guy that beat Pitbull. You beat the guy that

00:20:12.259 --> 00:20:17.019
beat Ryo. You know? I mean, it legitimizes your,

00:20:17.079 --> 00:20:22.140
your own fighters. Yeah. And, well, the, something

00:20:22.140 --> 00:20:26.480
that MMA does get right is they don't put a lot

00:20:26.480 --> 00:20:29.980
of stock into being undefeated. So if you take

00:20:29.980 --> 00:20:33.609
a loss, like, it's fine. But. Yeah, you roll

00:20:33.609 --> 00:20:37.170
with it. Yeah, you just go on. You kind of expect

00:20:37.170 --> 00:20:42.309
the spectator to have seen the fight so that

00:20:42.309 --> 00:20:45.170
they know how bad of a loss was this really.

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But yeah, we'll see what Munguia does from here.

00:20:51.930 --> 00:20:57.849
And now we have Resendiz Charlo. Excellent. With

00:20:57.849 --> 00:21:02.269
like a month to go, is this the worst replacement?

00:21:02.859 --> 00:21:05.779
It's not a whole lot of Russians out there. That's

00:21:05.779 --> 00:21:07.539
a pretty good place for them, I mean. There's

00:21:07.539 --> 00:21:09.839
a bunch of good guys, and then we're still, like,

00:21:09.900 --> 00:21:14.140
reheating leftovers. Well, the thing is funny

00:21:14.140 --> 00:21:16.000
is that a lot of the top guys don't want to fight

00:21:16.000 --> 00:21:18.160
each other. I know. That's why it's like, okay,

00:21:18.359 --> 00:21:22.200
like, whatever, man. This past weekend was the

00:21:22.200 --> 00:21:24.619
first time I've ever heard Osley's name even

00:21:24.619 --> 00:21:30.710
mentioned. But, I mean, is Beck... Is Beck the

00:21:30.710 --> 00:21:33.670
Bully going to fight someone like Resendiz? Are

00:21:33.670 --> 00:21:36.650
they going to let fucking Ostley fight Pacheco?

00:21:37.230 --> 00:21:39.549
Is Pacheco going to fight Hamza Shiraz? No, they're

00:21:39.549 --> 00:21:41.730
not going to fight each other. They're all active.

00:21:41.890 --> 00:21:44.769
Not all of them, but a good chunk of them are

00:21:44.769 --> 00:21:47.890
actively avoiding each other, which is sad. I

00:21:47.890 --> 00:21:50.309
mean, hell, they gave Mbillie the title. They

00:21:50.309 --> 00:21:52.170
should have made Mbillie and Lester rematch.

00:21:52.609 --> 00:21:55.930
Yeah. But, you know, that's whatever. It's whatever.

00:21:56.009 --> 00:21:58.420
We'll see what happens with that division. It's

00:21:58.420 --> 00:22:00.000
going to be good, but they have to force it to

00:22:00.000 --> 00:22:02.180
be good. Yeah, there has to be a push to get

00:22:02.180 --> 00:22:07.140
these guys to face each other. Exactly. Moving

00:22:07.140 --> 00:22:13.640
to Golden Boy has announced a card. It is about

00:22:13.640 --> 00:22:16.140
as good as you can expect for where Golden Boy

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is currently at in their life cycle of a business.

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Let's see. We're starting with... Oscar Collazo

00:22:28.000 --> 00:22:36.119
is facing Jesus Haro. The many lovers of the

00:22:36.119 --> 00:22:41.599
world are all aflame. Oscar Collazo was supposed

00:22:41.599 --> 00:22:45.480
to be rematching Melvin Jerusalem. That was supposed

00:22:45.480 --> 00:22:49.000
to be a three title fight. But instead we get

00:22:49.000 --> 00:22:55.279
this. Apparently the Jerusalem camp. They had

00:22:55.279 --> 00:22:58.299
all purchased their plane tickets. They had their

00:22:58.299 --> 00:23:01.599
hotels lined up and everything. And then they

00:23:01.599 --> 00:23:06.200
got the rug pulled on them. They might be minimum

00:23:06.200 --> 00:23:08.400
weights, but that's still a pretty scummy move.

00:23:09.700 --> 00:23:13.599
Also on the card, Gabriela Fandora is fighting

00:23:13.599 --> 00:23:18.960
Viviana Ruiz. That should be a good time. And

00:23:18.960 --> 00:23:24.369
Arnold Barbosa versus Kenneth Sims. I'm gonna

00:23:24.369 --> 00:23:26.630
make a guess. I'm gonna tell you this right now,

00:23:26.690 --> 00:23:29.549
and you guys can agree or disagree with me. You

00:23:29.549 --> 00:23:31.109
don't even need Arnold Barboza on that card.

00:23:31.289 --> 00:23:33.430
They could beat their own two separate cards.

00:23:34.730 --> 00:23:37.230
You do the same thing they did last year, where

00:23:37.230 --> 00:23:40.910
they put Quiazzo and Nora on the same card, and

00:23:40.910 --> 00:23:43.950
then you get fucking Arnold Barboza on his own

00:23:43.950 --> 00:23:47.009
card. I think stacking a card like that is not

00:23:47.009 --> 00:23:48.529
what Golden Boy should be doing, especially in

00:23:48.529 --> 00:23:51.900
the state they're in. Oh, it's tough. to get

00:23:51.900 --> 00:23:56.259
venues and get tickets for those venues. Oscar

00:23:56.259 --> 00:23:59.039
does have good... He has good connections with,

00:23:59.119 --> 00:24:05.259
like, the California desert casino places. Yeah,

00:24:05.259 --> 00:24:08.420
he has a lot of places in California. Even Arizona.

00:24:08.420 --> 00:24:09.819
I'm not sure what spot they're in, but it might

00:24:09.819 --> 00:24:12.519
genuinely be easier to just pack talent on one

00:24:12.519 --> 00:24:15.380
card, make it a cheap investment, instead of

00:24:15.380 --> 00:24:21.170
risking it all on... A bunch of smaller cards.

00:24:21.789 --> 00:24:25.230
I believe they're fighting at Pachanga, right?

00:24:26.390 --> 00:24:29.990
Let me see. I'm going to be honest. Honda Center,

00:24:30.170 --> 00:24:32.490
Anaheim. Oh, they're fighting at Anaheim? Oh,

00:24:32.509 --> 00:24:36.369
shit. Maybe I'll go. But I'll tell you this,

00:24:36.390 --> 00:24:39.549
though. I'll tell you this. They should... I

00:24:39.549 --> 00:24:42.250
don't think Arnold Barboza should be the main

00:24:42.250 --> 00:24:45.789
event. I mean, I get it why they have him as

00:24:45.789 --> 00:24:48.170
the main event because he's an L .A. guy. That

00:24:48.170 --> 00:24:50.029
makes sense now because they put him in Anaheim

00:24:50.029 --> 00:24:51.390
and the L .A. guys are going to go watch him.

00:24:51.910 --> 00:24:56.269
Hell, I might go watch him. You know? Yeah. But,

00:24:56.289 --> 00:25:00.130
I mean, putting all three of them on a main card.

00:25:00.490 --> 00:25:02.549
Again, you could get Floyd Schofield and Arlo

00:25:02.549 --> 00:25:05.730
Barbosa on a single card. Also, Criazzo and the

00:25:05.730 --> 00:25:08.569
champion on another card. Two draws. Those are

00:25:08.569 --> 00:25:11.109
two cards that will inevitably bring money in.

00:25:11.529 --> 00:25:14.769
Didn't Gabby and Oscar do a card already? Yeah,

00:25:14.829 --> 00:25:17.849
I believe it did pretty decent. Oceanside? Was

00:25:17.849 --> 00:25:21.910
that the one? Yeah, it was Oceanside, yeah. Yeah,

00:25:21.950 --> 00:25:24.250
I remember that. I thought it was actually pretty

00:25:24.250 --> 00:25:27.809
goddamn cool of Oscar to have his top female

00:25:27.809 --> 00:25:31.369
fighter and then a minimum weight being the headlines.

00:25:32.390 --> 00:25:35.190
I feel like if they still had the Melbourne -Jerusalem

00:25:35.190 --> 00:25:36.549
fight too, they probably could have done that.

00:25:38.569 --> 00:25:41.240
Gabby's a fun fighter too. I sincerely believe

00:25:41.240 --> 00:25:43.339
that people will watch Gabby. People are starting

00:25:43.339 --> 00:25:47.579
to notice Gabby. She gets knockouts. Exactly.

00:25:47.980 --> 00:25:50.339
For as little attention the women's side of the

00:25:50.339 --> 00:25:54.799
sport gets, she's getting some recognition. That's

00:25:54.799 --> 00:25:57.960
an interesting way to put it, to have Arnold

00:25:57.960 --> 00:26:02.660
and Ken Sims be like your strong headliner, and

00:26:02.660 --> 00:26:05.279
then you can pack that with your developing talent,

00:26:05.539 --> 00:26:11.750
and then have two... weaker headliners, but if

00:26:11.750 --> 00:26:14.490
you have a double headliner type of situation,

00:26:15.130 --> 00:26:19.470
then you can kind of put your less developed

00:26:19.470 --> 00:26:25.109
talent there. I guess the question is also how

00:26:25.109 --> 00:26:29.309
many guys does Oscar have to fill out an undercard?

00:26:31.640 --> 00:26:34.859
That's what I mean. He might just be, like, borderline

00:26:34.859 --> 00:26:37.500
destitute on, like, undercard guys, and that's

00:26:37.500 --> 00:26:41.099
why he's got a packet on one card. I would say

00:26:41.099 --> 00:26:43.880
he's got a decent amount of young guys. Yeah,

00:26:43.900 --> 00:26:47.140
he did that card a few weeks ago that had, like,

00:26:47.220 --> 00:26:51.319
it was top -to -bottom golden boy guys. So a

00:26:51.319 --> 00:26:53.819
few weeks ago, and then you want him to turn

00:26:53.819 --> 00:26:57.390
around to March. Well, he still has other guys

00:26:57.390 --> 00:27:00.349
besides that. I think some of them could. Like,

00:27:00.369 --> 00:27:03.470
the six -round, eight -round guys probably could.

00:27:04.109 --> 00:27:06.130
For this one, yeah, but I'm saying if they did

00:27:06.130 --> 00:27:08.369
multiple, like, if you split this one up into,

00:27:08.450 --> 00:27:10.329
like, two or three cards, like, you probably

00:27:10.329 --> 00:27:12.910
wouldn't be able to fill it in. Oh, you could

00:27:12.910 --> 00:27:15.829
probably get Charles Conwell on there, too. Perhaps,

00:27:15.950 --> 00:27:18.829
actually. Has Charles Conwell been active since

00:27:18.829 --> 00:27:24.789
he lost? Since he lost in April of 25, he has

00:27:24.789 --> 00:27:29.759
not fought. Yeah, okay. He needs to fight. Yeah.

00:27:29.839 --> 00:27:31.299
Yeah, I was about to say, he needs to fucking

00:27:31.299 --> 00:27:34.680
fight. Build your shit back up. It's not like

00:27:34.680 --> 00:27:37.240
he lost embarrassingly either, right? It was

00:27:37.240 --> 00:27:39.339
a split decision. It was a really competitive

00:27:39.339 --> 00:27:43.240
fight. And it's something you can learn from.

00:27:43.279 --> 00:27:46.000
And if you learn and you improve and you make

00:27:46.000 --> 00:27:51.279
some noise, then, I mean, come on. He's not a

00:27:51.279 --> 00:27:55.000
bad fighter at all. He just needs... He could

00:27:55.000 --> 00:27:58.700
actually come back, you know? Yeah. Oh, shit.

00:27:58.740 --> 00:28:00.740
He lost on that Oceanside card we were talking

00:28:00.740 --> 00:28:08.680
about. Yeah. Yeah. What a wiener. Sorry, Charles.

00:28:08.759 --> 00:28:13.180
I'm just having a laugh. We do want to see you

00:28:13.180 --> 00:28:15.640
fight. Yeah, absolutely. Like, come on, bro.

00:28:15.680 --> 00:28:20.960
Like a single loss. That ain't shit. Lace him

00:28:20.960 --> 00:28:24.380
back up. You can do it. Don't go to Zufa, though.

00:28:25.579 --> 00:28:30.240
Yeah. Don't do it for Zufa. Of all the entities

00:28:30.240 --> 00:28:36.859
you could fight for, any but Zufa. Please. Moving

00:28:36.859 --> 00:28:39.539
to... Saul, I want to get your word on this one

00:28:39.539 --> 00:28:44.259
first. Okay. Janibek... has been suspended by

00:28:44.259 --> 00:28:48.339
the WBO for one year. This is retroactive to

00:28:48.339 --> 00:28:51.839
the date in December when he had the adverse

00:28:51.839 --> 00:28:57.299
PED finding. And after his suspension period

00:28:57.299 --> 00:28:59.740
is up, he has to fight the interim Titleist.

00:29:00.279 --> 00:29:04.799
But what's your gut here? What's your gut telling

00:29:04.799 --> 00:29:07.359
you on Janabek being quote -unquote suspended?

00:29:09.529 --> 00:29:11.430
My thought, my thought, my thought. Can you guys

00:29:11.430 --> 00:29:14.690
hear me, by the way? Yeah. Yes. Well, my thought

00:29:14.690 --> 00:29:16.789
is that he should have been stripped all the

00:29:16.789 --> 00:29:20.670
way. He should have been stripped of the W. And

00:29:20.670 --> 00:29:22.710
I don't even think he's stripped of the IBF,

00:29:22.730 --> 00:29:25.890
right? I don't think so. Yeah, no, he should

00:29:25.890 --> 00:29:27.309
have been stripped of both titles. And he should

00:29:27.309 --> 00:29:31.009
have at least had a fight before fighting for

00:29:31.009 --> 00:29:33.650
the title again. Give the interim champion the

00:29:33.650 --> 00:29:40.609
title. That's simply plain and simple. Why is

00:29:40.609 --> 00:29:44.609
he getting special treatment? I don't know. Maybe

00:29:44.609 --> 00:29:49.730
it's because he's a desolate. He's not a star.

00:29:49.869 --> 00:29:51.970
He's not a star to be given this kind of treatment.

00:29:52.630 --> 00:29:55.170
He's being given Canelo treatment without being

00:29:55.170 --> 00:30:00.849
Canelo. There was something funny when I was

00:30:00.849 --> 00:30:04.500
looking through this. This particular news bit

00:30:04.500 --> 00:30:10.519
on Twitter, it was, there was somebody, some

00:30:10.519 --> 00:30:13.720
random person said, how much did Janabek pay

00:30:13.720 --> 00:30:17.880
you guys to let him keep his title? And the president

00:30:17.880 --> 00:30:22.039
of the WBO replied saying, if you have any credible

00:30:22.039 --> 00:30:27.500
evidence of this, contact the FBI. Okay, so.

00:30:28.900 --> 00:30:34.160
They're just fucking stupid then. I took it more

00:30:34.160 --> 00:30:39.539
as, fuck you, prove it. Yeah, that's how I'm

00:30:39.539 --> 00:30:42.000
interpreting it, too, where I'm like, it's so

00:30:42.000 --> 00:30:45.319
obvious that he did it. Yeah, that's obviously

00:30:45.319 --> 00:30:48.980
what's happening, but we can't... Prove it. Yeah,

00:30:48.980 --> 00:30:51.160
we can't prove it. We don't have the internal

00:30:51.160 --> 00:30:57.720
access. Oh, yeah. Being suspended by the WBO...

00:30:58.319 --> 00:31:01.099
Doesn't fucking mean anything. I've seen, like,

00:31:01.140 --> 00:31:04.440
Adrian Broner got quote -unquote suspended by

00:31:04.440 --> 00:31:08.740
the WBC when he did the little Can -Man routine

00:31:08.740 --> 00:31:14.539
after a fight. Like, he just went to fight for

00:31:14.539 --> 00:31:18.680
the WBA instead. Yeah, like, this is ridiculous.

00:31:19.400 --> 00:31:21.579
He's still IBF champion. He could still make

00:31:21.579 --> 00:31:23.539
a unification happen. He could still fight for

00:31:23.539 --> 00:31:28.039
the IBF. And, yeah. I would have thought that

00:31:28.039 --> 00:31:31.559
the IBF would have been the first to strip him

00:31:31.559 --> 00:31:34.779
of his title. Do they have a mandatory lined

00:31:34.779 --> 00:31:39.619
up, or did he just... Let me see. He didn't just

00:31:39.619 --> 00:31:41.859
get it. He got the IBF fight two years ago. He

00:31:41.859 --> 00:31:44.720
could have fought an IBF mandatory. It was that

00:31:44.720 --> 00:31:48.880
bossy Russian dude, I think. No, that was a long

00:31:48.880 --> 00:31:50.779
time ago. Never mind. No, that was a while ago.

00:31:50.940 --> 00:31:55.500
Let me see. In Gamasengi, maybe? Was that WBO

00:31:55.500 --> 00:32:00.839
or? It could have been Mikhailovich, yeah, yeah.

00:32:03.180 --> 00:32:09.220
Let's see. Oh, yeah, he was a mandatory. Yeah,

00:32:09.319 --> 00:32:12.019
I think that fight was only for the IBF and the

00:32:12.019 --> 00:32:14.160
WBO. Yeah, it was only for the IBF. That was

00:32:14.160 --> 00:32:17.799
a mandatory, and that was in 2024, so they're

00:32:17.799 --> 00:32:22.750
late to stripping him. Hmm. Well. They're late.

00:32:22.950 --> 00:32:25.210
He's a boxer, not a stripper, so I guess not.

00:32:27.710 --> 00:32:36.009
It's... This shit is supposed to have consequences.

00:32:37.490 --> 00:32:40.049
There are supposed to be consequences for pissing

00:32:40.049 --> 00:32:45.859
hot. Jesus. Like, we're not even stripping guys

00:32:45.859 --> 00:32:48.079
of their titles anymore. Like, and letting them

00:32:48.079 --> 00:32:49.799
fight for them. We're just letting them keep

00:32:49.799 --> 00:32:52.660
the title. No pretense of even trying to punish

00:32:52.660 --> 00:32:59.480
them. Rare IBFL. Oh, I just think the IBF has...

00:32:59.480 --> 00:33:04.019
IBF's probably just looking at their... Let's

00:33:04.019 --> 00:33:08.779
look at the IBF rankings at 160. Just to see

00:33:08.779 --> 00:33:10.640
if they even have a guy who would be mandatory.

00:33:10.640 --> 00:33:13.740
Janabek is the best they can do. Well, let's

00:33:13.740 --> 00:33:15.779
see. Sometimes they just don't have it mandatory

00:33:15.779 --> 00:33:17.900
sorted, right? And that's why it takes longer.

00:33:17.900 --> 00:33:21.140
Oh, yeah. They got to do their specific eliminators.

00:33:21.319 --> 00:33:24.319
Yeah, they don't have a number one right now.

00:33:25.039 --> 00:33:29.220
Or a two? They have a two. Okay. It's an Italian

00:33:29.220 --> 00:33:35.700
named Etinosa Oleja. Vito Melnicki is ranked

00:33:35.700 --> 00:33:43.640
number 10. All right. I swear to fucking Christ.

00:33:43.880 --> 00:33:46.420
If Vito Melnicki becomes a champion for Virgil

00:33:46.420 --> 00:33:49.519
Ortiz, I'm going to blow my head off. Let's see.

00:33:49.660 --> 00:33:52.099
Here's Callum Walsh and Vito Melnicki are in

00:33:52.099 --> 00:33:56.099
the top 10 for the IBF. No, Callum Walsh ain't

00:33:56.099 --> 00:33:58.099
going to be fighting for that shit. Aaron McKenna,

00:33:58.099 --> 00:34:02.700
too. Ew. Really? Yeah. Yeah, that's how we bought

00:34:02.700 --> 00:34:08.760
it. We got Yonley Hernandez at 13. Amari Jones

00:34:08.760 --> 00:34:10.480
at seven. Like, that's what I mean. They have

00:34:10.480 --> 00:34:13.619
no mandatory right now. So, if they had a mandatory,

00:34:13.739 --> 00:34:15.179
they would have stripped Janet Beck yesterday.

00:34:15.500 --> 00:34:20.619
Yeah, Janet Beck yesterday. But, unfortunately,

00:34:21.199 --> 00:34:24.800
middleweight is actually tragic. Great analysis.

00:34:25.099 --> 00:34:26.380
That's a great analysis. I wouldn't have known

00:34:26.380 --> 00:34:29.179
that. Middleweight is tragic. Because the IBF,

00:34:29.280 --> 00:34:31.980
like, the only reason they don't strip guys for

00:34:31.980 --> 00:34:34.699
not defending as mandatories is when they don't

00:34:34.699 --> 00:34:36.699
have a mandatory. Because they have to set up

00:34:36.699 --> 00:34:39.320
their little, elimination tournaments or whatever.

00:34:39.519 --> 00:34:41.420
Yeah, the final eliminators, you gotta have like

00:34:41.420 --> 00:34:46.079
fucking five of them. Yeah, like you just gotta...

00:34:46.079 --> 00:34:51.179
Well, once there's a more populated weight classes,

00:34:51.519 --> 00:34:54.079
yeah, it goes pretty quick. The turnover is pretty

00:34:54.079 --> 00:35:00.019
damn fast. But it's middleweight in 2026, so...

00:35:00.019 --> 00:35:07.590
Absolutely dire. Like, this is... Vito Melnicki

00:35:07.590 --> 00:35:13.889
is top 10 in any weight class. You are certainly

00:35:13.889 --> 00:35:19.210
not doing well. Vito Melnicki, world champ before

00:35:19.210 --> 00:35:28.250
Virgil. Please. If that happens, I'm actually

00:35:28.250 --> 00:35:30.610
going to leave the pod. I'm going to leave a

00:35:30.610 --> 00:35:33.849
shame. I can't handle the calls that are coming

00:35:33.849 --> 00:35:40.659
in. Link the call number. The dunkers showing

00:35:40.659 --> 00:35:45.179
up to... Yeah, the dunkers showing up with that

00:35:45.179 --> 00:35:47.559
phone number. Yeah, I got it in a few seconds.

00:35:50.340 --> 00:35:56.380
Man, Janet Beck suspended for a year. Fucking

00:35:56.380 --> 00:36:03.739
slap on the wrist. Let's see here. AJ is starting

00:36:03.739 --> 00:36:06.800
to get back in the gym. It's not a full training

00:36:06.800 --> 00:36:09.900
camp. He's just starting to get himself back

00:36:09.900 --> 00:36:15.980
into a little bit of a routine. The idea is that

00:36:15.980 --> 00:36:23.880
if he continues to work out regularly, we can

00:36:23.880 --> 00:36:26.980
start talking about a camp and look at a return

00:36:26.980 --> 00:36:34.360
late July, early August. But given the circumstances...

00:36:35.800 --> 00:36:42.199
I cannot imagine losing your best friends who

00:36:42.199 --> 00:36:46.480
were also an integral part of your camp. I cannot

00:36:46.480 --> 00:36:49.500
imagine that going back to the gym is an easy

00:36:49.500 --> 00:36:55.300
thing to do right now. Oh, no, no. So, like,

00:36:55.360 --> 00:37:03.739
if AJ's done, I get it. It's fucking rough. I

00:37:03.739 --> 00:37:08.170
get it. Yeah, like, I can't judge him. Take your

00:37:08.170 --> 00:37:11.630
time, man. Yeah. If you want to come back, then

00:37:11.630 --> 00:37:15.030
come back. But if you don't, whatever, man. You

00:37:15.030 --> 00:37:18.469
have all the money in the world. You have all

00:37:18.469 --> 00:37:22.829
the accolades. Like, who fucking cares? Last

00:37:22.829 --> 00:37:29.110
thing. Matchroom Boxing signs a five -year extension

00:37:29.110 --> 00:37:35.719
with The Zone. Given the state that boxing is

00:37:35.719 --> 00:37:38.820
in right now, this is a really good sign, I think,

00:37:38.920 --> 00:37:42.679
that we have one of the major players on a steady,

00:37:42.760 --> 00:37:46.019
secure broadcast platform. I'm happy to see this.

00:37:46.760 --> 00:37:50.460
Until the 2030s, too. Next decade. Yep, I'm happy

00:37:50.460 --> 00:37:52.940
to see this. Yeah, you've kicked the problem

00:37:52.940 --> 00:37:57.760
down the line, which is good. Staying on the

00:37:57.760 --> 00:38:01.039
DAZN, though, kind of sucks, but, I mean, where

00:38:01.039 --> 00:38:02.480
the fuck else are you going to go to? Sky Sports?

00:38:04.349 --> 00:38:08.349
Where else is there to go? Paramount Plus, if

00:38:08.349 --> 00:38:11.969
you want to watch Sufen. And try and scam Netflix.

00:38:14.190 --> 00:38:16.630
For the one -off event that they decide to do.

00:38:17.590 --> 00:38:23.050
Yeah. Quick sidebar, honestly. Do you think it

00:38:23.050 --> 00:38:24.789
would be possible for boxing to even, besides

00:38:24.789 --> 00:38:26.409
these big events, right? Do you think it would

00:38:26.409 --> 00:38:29.110
be possible for these even smaller events to

00:38:29.110 --> 00:38:31.250
get into Netflix? Because I feel like these small

00:38:31.250 --> 00:38:33.989
events on Netflix would be... Amazing for boxing.

00:38:34.210 --> 00:38:37.730
You'd need a broadcasting deal that Netflix is

00:38:37.730 --> 00:38:39.889
not willing to put up because they care about

00:38:39.889 --> 00:38:42.429
immediate return instead of a steady return.

00:38:44.010 --> 00:38:46.110
I feel like they would be able to get immediate

00:38:46.110 --> 00:38:48.949
return with these type of deals. What would have

00:38:48.949 --> 00:38:51.610
to happen is you'd have to combine the stables

00:38:51.610 --> 00:38:58.590
of Matchroom, PBC, Queensberry. All of the major

00:38:58.590 --> 00:39:02.630
players would have to go in together. To be able

00:39:02.630 --> 00:39:05.769
to, at the very least, be able to offer their

00:39:05.769 --> 00:39:10.969
own development cards in a regular fashion. But

00:39:10.969 --> 00:39:14.489
also having crossover fights not be hindered

00:39:14.489 --> 00:39:21.210
by broadcast differences. That right there is

00:39:21.210 --> 00:39:25.170
the boxing utopia. Absolutely. You need people

00:39:25.170 --> 00:39:28.250
to work together. I'll tell you this. You get

00:39:28.250 --> 00:39:33.099
on Netflix. I know it sounds fucking like a fever

00:39:33.099 --> 00:39:34.820
dream. And I might just be sounding like the

00:39:34.820 --> 00:39:38.320
Saudis, okay? But you get all the boxing promoters

00:39:38.320 --> 00:39:40.659
together under one banner, like the HBO days,

00:39:40.820 --> 00:39:45.480
and you use the fucking... With your subscription,

00:39:45.579 --> 00:39:48.139
you get boxing free. Every week, you get a boxing

00:39:48.139 --> 00:39:50.079
fight. And it's a decent card every week. Every

00:39:50.079 --> 00:39:52.420
month, you have a big fight, non -pay -per -view,

00:39:52.519 --> 00:39:55.900
that tens of millions of people watch. They will

00:39:55.900 --> 00:39:58.119
love that shit, I feel like. I think that will

00:39:58.119 --> 00:40:01.360
bring boxing back to the forefront. You know,

00:40:01.380 --> 00:40:06.280
boxing on Netflix. Netflix, the home box office

00:40:06.280 --> 00:40:13.659
for boxing. There you go. I think that what platform

00:40:13.659 --> 00:40:17.860
you do this on isn't, I don't know if it's quite

00:40:17.860 --> 00:40:22.019
as material. Netflix does have the advantage

00:40:22.019 --> 00:40:26.780
of having the bigger built -in user base or subscription

00:40:26.780 --> 00:40:30.440
base. But if you were to have all of the major

00:40:30.440 --> 00:40:37.039
players signed to DAZN or Paramount +, what really

00:40:37.039 --> 00:40:42.199
matters is having all of the best fighters in

00:40:42.199 --> 00:40:47.880
one place that you can watch them on. Exactly.

00:40:48.320 --> 00:40:52.960
Who they're signed to, like what streamer they're

00:40:52.960 --> 00:40:56.119
signed to, doesn't really matter. Just as long

00:40:56.119 --> 00:41:00.699
as they're in one place. Just my take on it.

00:41:01.260 --> 00:41:03.800
I agree, but I think if they're not fighting

00:41:03.800 --> 00:41:07.280
at all, you know, if the big names are not fighting,

00:41:07.340 --> 00:41:11.619
which happened last decade, I mean, it's not

00:41:11.619 --> 00:41:16.139
worth a shit. DAZN pulled off that Matchroom

00:41:16.139 --> 00:41:21.619
-Queensbury 5 vs. 5, so it is possible. It is

00:41:21.619 --> 00:41:25.960
possible. With Saudi money. True. It does need

00:41:25.960 --> 00:41:30.059
the... And that's, I guess, where having Netflix

00:41:30.059 --> 00:41:34.440
in place as the platform. The facilitator. Yeah,

00:41:34.440 --> 00:41:39.320
they have the money to facilitate that. But you'd

00:41:39.320 --> 00:41:42.940
have to get someone with executive experience

00:41:42.940 --> 00:41:48.920
like Espinosa in place to be able to pitch that

00:41:48.920 --> 00:41:53.360
kind of thing. Because he can speak to the returns

00:41:53.360 --> 00:41:58.110
that Showtime Sports had. And they had pretty

00:41:58.110 --> 00:42:01.750
good returns, too. They did. For a while. For

00:42:01.750 --> 00:42:09.610
a while. All right. Anything more for Boxing

00:42:09.610 --> 00:42:16.989
and its broadcast woes? Not for the moment. All

00:42:16.989 --> 00:42:21.309
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first, Tuesday, February 10th. Salida promotions

00:45:47.030 --> 00:45:54.789
on DAZN. It was certainly a card. There was a

00:45:54.789 --> 00:46:00.409
card. There was certainly boxing happening. I

00:46:00.409 --> 00:46:04.329
was only tracking two fights here. Caroline Veyer

00:46:04.329 --> 00:46:08.429
gets the UD over Delphine Persoon to claim the

00:46:08.429 --> 00:46:13.429
WBC Super Featherweight title. Delphine, man,

00:46:13.530 --> 00:46:18.000
she was a... a major player in the women's ranks

00:46:18.000 --> 00:46:22.900
for quite some time. And it might be those, those

00:46:22.900 --> 00:46:25.579
days might be coming to an end. It's time to

00:46:25.579 --> 00:46:29.599
give it up. You're 41. You're a 41 year old super

00:46:29.599 --> 00:46:34.400
featherweight. Like it's not disrespectful. It's

00:46:34.400 --> 00:46:36.659
just. She had a good career. She had a great

00:46:36.659 --> 00:46:37.940
career. She had a good career. That's what I'm

00:46:37.940 --> 00:46:39.539
saying. It's not disrespectful. Like it's just,

00:46:39.619 --> 00:46:43.599
you're 41 and a super featherweight. It's time

00:46:43.599 --> 00:46:48.630
to. That's how it goes. Try to pack it in. Shanada

00:46:48.630 --> 00:46:54.730
tried to claim Caroline. She's from France and

00:46:54.730 --> 00:46:58.809
currently lives in Quebec. Do you claim her as

00:46:58.809 --> 00:47:05.710
another Canadian champion? Do we claim her as

00:47:05.710 --> 00:47:11.690
a Canadian champion? To what extent? What do

00:47:11.690 --> 00:47:14.659
we consider a Canadian champion? Do we consider

00:47:14.659 --> 00:47:20.500
Archer Beterbiev a Canadian champion? Is Nbili

00:47:20.500 --> 00:47:24.460
a Canadian champion? Nbili is, because he's been

00:47:24.460 --> 00:47:27.960
here most of his life, right? But Beterbiev,

00:47:27.960 --> 00:47:31.860
who just came over to avoid the embargo following

00:47:31.860 --> 00:47:34.519
the invasion of Ukraine. The sports embargo?

00:47:34.880 --> 00:47:46.380
Yeah. Yeah, do we count? Beterbiev. Hmm. BoxRick

00:47:46.380 --> 00:47:52.880
does not. I would say if Mbili is, then Caroline

00:47:52.880 --> 00:47:58.820
Byer is. Okay, yes. Then good. Yeah. Because

00:47:58.820 --> 00:48:02.699
they're in the exact same situation. French passport

00:48:02.699 --> 00:48:07.099
holders and they moved to French Canada. It's

00:48:07.099 --> 00:48:10.699
not for any reason other than a personal one

00:48:10.699 --> 00:48:13.690
rather than You're here because you wouldn't

00:48:13.690 --> 00:48:15.789
be able to compete for world titles if you were

00:48:15.789 --> 00:48:18.829
Russian. The way all the Russians, like on BoxRec,

00:48:18.889 --> 00:48:22.670
they opted to being Armenian somehow. Armenian,

00:48:22.929 --> 00:48:28.050
Chechnian, Canadian. Anything but Russian. Yeah,

00:48:28.429 --> 00:48:35.190
so that's how we... And, main event, Joshua Pagan

00:48:35.190 --> 00:48:40.909
gets the UD over Brian Jimenez. It was rough

00:48:40.909 --> 00:48:45.230
and tumble. Pagan is not very good, but this

00:48:45.230 --> 00:48:49.530
is like the best Salida has to offer. So make

00:48:49.530 --> 00:48:56.030
peace with it. Saturday, February 14th. If you're

00:48:56.030 --> 00:49:00.210
a fucking single loser like me, you are at home

00:49:00.210 --> 00:49:04.809
watching Dream Boxing on DAZN out of Germany.

00:49:06.630 --> 00:49:10.090
Why are we even talking about this card? Marco

00:49:10.090 --> 00:49:14.900
Hook. That Marco Hook, if you even remember who

00:49:14.900 --> 00:49:22.760
that is. He got a UD over Václav Pejsar. It was

00:49:22.760 --> 00:49:26.380
certainly a fight. Marco Hook looked his fucking

00:49:26.380 --> 00:49:35.139
age. Sunday, February 15th, we had two Muto promotions

00:49:35.139 --> 00:49:41.980
out of Osaka, Japan. There were a few fights

00:49:41.980 --> 00:49:44.079
on this one. Only one that we were really paying

00:49:44.079 --> 00:49:49.880
attention to. Ryosuke Nishida gets the unanimous

00:49:49.880 --> 00:49:54.280
technical decision in seven. It was stopped on

00:49:54.280 --> 00:50:00.960
a cut in the eighth over Brian Mercado. Yeah,

00:50:01.000 --> 00:50:02.840
Josh, we watched this one. We watched this one

00:50:02.840 --> 00:50:05.739
together. It was very entertaining. Oh, yeah.

00:50:05.820 --> 00:50:11.409
Good little scrap. I think the cut, the stoppage

00:50:11.409 --> 00:50:13.389
was a bit premature on the cut. Like, it was

00:50:13.389 --> 00:50:16.170
a big cut, but it wasn't like... It was manageable,

00:50:16.269 --> 00:50:19.349
right? It wasn't gushing. The corner was on top

00:50:19.349 --> 00:50:23.130
of it. It wasn't blocking his sight very much.

00:50:23.730 --> 00:50:26.210
Doctor probably saw how deep it was and got freaked

00:50:26.210 --> 00:50:28.150
out instead of actually looking at where it was.

00:50:30.230 --> 00:50:34.929
But, yeah. No, Nishida was definitely putting

00:50:34.929 --> 00:50:39.039
in some clean work. At first, it was Mercado,

00:50:39.179 --> 00:50:40.900
who was definitely putting on more pressure,

00:50:40.980 --> 00:50:44.599
but hitting a lot of gloves, elbows, wasn't clean.

00:50:46.119 --> 00:50:49.239
Yeah, he was that come -forward, swarmer kind

00:50:49.239 --> 00:50:52.280
of guy. Yeah. That was a good showing for Nishida,

00:50:52.320 --> 00:50:54.179
though. Nishida definitely looked good, and more

00:50:54.179 --> 00:50:59.340
importantly, didn't look rattled coming off of

00:50:59.340 --> 00:51:04.679
a pretty harsh loss to Junto Nakatani. Yeah,

00:51:04.739 --> 00:51:07.320
good to see that his arm's still working after

00:51:07.320 --> 00:51:11.920
that fucking dislocation. He's not rattled. It's

00:51:11.920 --> 00:51:16.699
good. Yeah. He can still be a player. And 122,

00:51:17.000 --> 00:51:24.280
if with Inoue Nakatani, it's set May 2nd at the

00:51:24.280 --> 00:51:29.659
Tokyo Dome. I'm expecting Inoue's going to pull

00:51:29.659 --> 00:51:32.139
this one out. We can talk about this another

00:51:32.139 --> 00:51:35.710
time, I suppose. Inoue's going to need opponents

00:51:35.710 --> 00:51:39.210
if he's going to stay at 122. So, Nishida's not

00:51:39.210 --> 00:51:43.590
a bad shot. Nope. Especially if he can do them

00:51:43.590 --> 00:51:50.289
better than Nakatani did. There's definitely...

00:51:50.289 --> 00:51:53.670
I mean, it's... 126 is definitely a bit more

00:51:53.670 --> 00:51:58.530
of a jump to move. The quality of opposition

00:51:58.530 --> 00:52:02.789
increases greatly when you step up to 26. Like,

00:52:02.989 --> 00:52:04.670
your mean opponent. Like, Nakatani's probably

00:52:04.670 --> 00:52:07.949
the best he'll face in his career. But, like,

00:52:08.010 --> 00:52:10.889
size -wise, the guys start getting big and good.

00:52:13.690 --> 00:52:20.289
Yeah. That's, like... Rafael Espinoza is 6 '1".

00:52:20.969 --> 00:52:24.150
Yeah, I was going to say, I know maybe I'm a

00:52:24.150 --> 00:52:27.730
little biased, but I think that the tougher fight

00:52:27.730 --> 00:52:32.510
at 126, all things notwithstanding, was never

00:52:32.510 --> 00:52:37.190
Nick Ball. It was Espinoza. Like, Espinoza is

00:52:37.190 --> 00:52:44.630
massive and good, which is... Like, it's usually...

00:52:44.630 --> 00:52:47.090
Anyways, the lead opponents have at least been...

00:52:47.090 --> 00:52:48.989
Anyways, opponents, like, his better names on

00:52:48.989 --> 00:52:52.750
his resume have been his size. Yeah, definitely.

00:52:53.710 --> 00:52:57.929
Espinoza is a very competent operator, but he's

00:52:57.929 --> 00:53:09.769
huge. Let's roll on. Last card. Zufa Boxing 3

00:53:09.769 --> 00:53:15.489
at the Meta Apex in Las Vegas. For how decision

00:53:15.489 --> 00:53:20.170
-heavy Zufa 2 was, Zufa 3 had a lot of stoppages.

00:53:20.880 --> 00:53:27.119
A lot of fun stuff. If you are an agnostic viewer,

00:53:27.940 --> 00:53:32.219
Zufa 3 was very entertaining. It was very enjoyable

00:53:32.219 --> 00:53:36.519
to watch, I must admit. But nonetheless, these

00:53:36.519 --> 00:53:40.539
guys are... You would find these guys on... Same

00:53:40.539 --> 00:53:45.360
type of dudes, same quality of fighter on a matchroom

00:53:45.360 --> 00:53:49.289
undercard or this... Queensberry card coming

00:53:49.289 --> 00:53:52.030
up. It's like stacked top to bottom with prospects.

00:53:53.969 --> 00:53:58.650
Regardless. I wanted to mention Leo Ruiz getting

00:53:58.650 --> 00:54:02.050
a stoppage in four just because we have the same

00:54:02.050 --> 00:54:07.050
name. That's really it. That's it? That was it.

00:54:07.769 --> 00:54:11.789
I don't have to write him a sternly worded letter

00:54:11.789 --> 00:54:14.710
saying you have to change your name. That's true.

00:54:14.849 --> 00:54:18.809
Because you're a fucking loser. Speaking of losers,

00:54:19.710 --> 00:54:26.090
the main event. Not yet. Abel Mejia was actually...

00:54:26.090 --> 00:54:29.309
Abel Mejia was getting pushed pretty heavily

00:54:29.309 --> 00:54:33.570
by the Zufa comms and all the promotional material.

00:54:34.170 --> 00:54:39.349
And Jabrio Pebenito just was not having it and

00:54:39.349 --> 00:54:42.190
decided to knock him the fuck out. It was really

00:54:42.190 --> 00:54:49.059
nice. That's good. Umar Dzambikov got a stoppage

00:54:49.059 --> 00:54:54.639
in two in the co -main and main event. Efe Adjogba

00:54:54.639 --> 00:54:59.420
stops Charles Martin in four. How in the hell

00:54:59.420 --> 00:55:03.380
were the betting odds as close as they were?

00:55:04.239 --> 00:55:09.139
This fight was hilarious. I can't lie. I gotta

00:55:09.139 --> 00:55:15.780
give it to Josh. I was wrong. I... I'm not sure.

00:55:15.920 --> 00:55:18.699
If we had done in Discord, if we did rolls for

00:55:18.699 --> 00:55:20.179
this one, there would have been a surprising

00:55:20.179 --> 00:55:23.460
amount of Charles Martin people. Well, it's just

00:55:23.460 --> 00:55:26.860
because Ajagba is also terrible. He's turbo ass.

00:55:27.119 --> 00:55:30.860
Yes. That's what I mean. Ajagba sucks, but you

00:55:30.860 --> 00:55:33.639
have to remember, Martin sucks, is washed up,

00:55:33.780 --> 00:55:40.659
and he really sucks. Long ass layoff. Long ass

00:55:40.659 --> 00:55:47.039
layoff. All the ingredients were there. I think

00:55:47.039 --> 00:55:51.199
people just continue memory -holing how he won

00:55:51.199 --> 00:55:56.579
his world title. When his power exploded a knee?

00:55:57.480 --> 00:56:00.780
Yeah, that's what I mean. People forget his world

00:56:00.780 --> 00:56:06.059
title reign lasting three months because his

00:56:06.059 --> 00:56:09.199
opponent went to his corner and then to the glue

00:56:09.199 --> 00:56:15.619
factory. We did get that legendary promotional

00:56:15.619 --> 00:56:18.780
line, Charles Martin sitting in front of AJ,

00:56:19.059 --> 00:56:23.360
and he says, I walk this earth like a god. And

00:56:23.360 --> 00:56:26.360
AJ just kind of chuckles like, that's some real

00:56:26.360 --> 00:56:29.619
champ shit. I like that. His world title really

00:56:29.619 --> 00:56:36.039
was an act of god, though. I'm serious. His opponent

00:56:36.039 --> 00:56:39.940
never fought again. That's how bad his leg exploded.

00:56:42.030 --> 00:56:45.650
it was pretty bad it was glass the worst part

00:56:45.650 --> 00:56:48.570
is glass was like actually beating his ass too

00:56:48.570 --> 00:56:53.090
like this was a hilarious like everyone just

00:56:53.090 --> 00:56:55.650
memory holds that they go like yeah like they

00:56:55.650 --> 00:56:58.369
they like yes he's the worst heavyweight champion

00:56:58.369 --> 00:57:00.869
of all time but people still say but he was a

00:57:00.869 --> 00:57:02.670
champion and that's how they convince themselves

00:57:02.670 --> 00:57:11.789
he'll show up and be good ever Man, we do need

00:57:11.789 --> 00:57:16.130
to start taking a second look at how many titles

00:57:16.130 --> 00:57:21.550
we have. If we have, like, Charles Martin. Fucking

00:57:21.550 --> 00:57:23.409
come on. Yeah, that's what I mean. Like, Fabio

00:57:23.409 --> 00:57:28.949
Wardley is even top two worst champs. Oh, shit.

00:57:29.070 --> 00:57:32.730
He's not. Fabio Wardley. Fabio Wardley is not

00:57:32.730 --> 00:57:35.469
the worst, like, is not the most, like, incompetent

00:57:35.469 --> 00:57:37.110
heavyweight champion, even though he's probably

00:57:37.110 --> 00:57:42.519
losing in his very first defense. Hey, hey, don't

00:57:42.519 --> 00:57:44.860
jinx it. Don't jinx it, dude. I don't care at

00:57:44.860 --> 00:57:49.320
this point. But I, come on, we, like, Baku suffered

00:57:49.320 --> 00:57:54.820
for years with John Ruiz living and breathing.

00:57:54.920 --> 00:57:59.840
But, like, man, like, especially, like, I saw,

00:57:59.840 --> 00:58:03.659
like, there was some consideration for him, like,

00:58:03.780 --> 00:58:06.880
giving it a go against Jared Anderson and winning

00:58:06.880 --> 00:58:13.340
a round, maybe. Yeah, he had moments. But, like,

00:58:13.360 --> 00:58:17.480
that speaks to Jared Anderson more than it does

00:58:17.480 --> 00:58:22.599
Charles Martin. Hey, Unc still had it in him

00:58:22.599 --> 00:58:25.199
at the time. Unc didn't have it in him ever.

00:58:26.179 --> 00:58:27.800
Hey, at the time they get around against Jared

00:58:27.800 --> 00:58:30.480
Anderson? Unc in his prime was out here getting

00:58:30.480 --> 00:58:36.139
dominated by Adam Kwanaki. Unc in his, not in

00:58:36.139 --> 00:58:39.019
his prime, got around for Jared Anderson. Oh,

00:58:39.019 --> 00:58:47.039
my God. Like... Top American prospect. Oh, my

00:58:47.039 --> 00:58:50.619
God. It's just... I don't get how... Like, Ajagba

00:58:50.619 --> 00:58:56.139
is... Ajagba is still turbo -ass, but... Come

00:58:56.139 --> 00:59:04.460
on, man. So, Ajagba in his... Like, in the post

00:59:04.460 --> 00:59:07.440
-fight presser, the post -fight conference...

00:59:07.880 --> 00:59:12.059
He's been going on a bit of a tirade with...

00:59:12.059 --> 00:59:17.139
I'm ranked in the top 10 for heavyweights everywhere.

00:59:17.679 --> 00:59:21.480
Everywhere that's relevant. And nobody wants

00:59:21.480 --> 00:59:26.059
to fight me. Yeah, dude. You sucked. You lost

00:59:26.059 --> 00:59:27.840
all the fights that you needed. You lost the

00:59:27.840 --> 00:59:30.019
fight that you needed to win and then fought

00:59:30.019 --> 00:59:35.840
nobody to put you in position to actually contend

00:59:35.840 --> 00:59:38.130
for a title. Because there's a difference between

00:59:38.130 --> 00:59:41.309
being ranked and being in contention. Daniel

00:59:41.309 --> 00:59:45.690
Dubois, despite losing, has fought his way to

00:59:45.690 --> 00:59:49.210
remain in contention. Yeah, you have to fight

00:59:49.210 --> 00:59:51.929
actual eliminators. If you're that upset about

00:59:51.929 --> 00:59:55.789
it, go up the IBF route and don't sign to Zufa.

00:59:57.469 --> 01:00:01.170
Yeah, don't expect an actual legitimate world

01:00:01.170 --> 01:00:04.070
title if you're going to be fighting for Zufa.

01:00:06.349 --> 01:00:10.909
Yeah, like, say what you will. Dubois lost to

01:00:10.909 --> 01:00:14.909
Usyk the first time and then put himself back

01:00:14.909 --> 01:00:18.829
in position by fighting for an IBF eliminator

01:00:18.829 --> 01:00:24.590
with Hergovich. And then killed AJ, and then,

01:00:24.650 --> 01:00:28.150
yeah, now, like, he's fought the actual fights

01:00:28.150 --> 01:00:31.730
that will put him in... the top of the rankings

01:00:31.730 --> 01:00:34.690
instead of just floating around the top 15 being

01:00:34.690 --> 01:00:36.730
like, why does no one want to fight me? It's

01:00:36.730 --> 01:00:41.010
tough. Fabio Wardley started off climbing up

01:00:41.010 --> 01:00:43.650
to, he got the British title Commonwealth, like

01:00:43.650 --> 01:00:47.150
that nonsense that they do over there. And he,

01:00:47.250 --> 01:00:50.489
he fought the fucking fights. He beat the shit

01:00:50.489 --> 01:00:53.849
out of Frazier Clark after having, he had a questionable

01:00:53.849 --> 01:00:56.849
performance against Frazier Clark, knocked him

01:00:56.849 --> 01:01:00.210
the ever loving fuck out in the rematch. And

01:01:00.210 --> 01:01:04.889
then he worked his way upward. Justice Hooney,

01:01:04.989 --> 01:01:07.329
Justice Parker. Justice Hooney, like all of the

01:01:07.329 --> 01:01:13.010
WBO. Those are solid fucking wins. Yeah. And

01:01:13.010 --> 01:01:15.389
it's not even, like, even if they weren't solid,

01:01:15.570 --> 01:01:18.449
the point is that he fought the opponents to

01:01:18.449 --> 01:01:22.190
get in position for a title shot. Or in this

01:01:22.190 --> 01:01:25.570
case, a title. He fought the guys he needed to.

01:01:25.670 --> 01:01:27.960
Imagine if he just... sat around complaining

01:01:27.960 --> 01:01:30.980
for a title shot after beating Clark the second

01:01:30.980 --> 01:01:35.139
time. Yeah, no one wants to fight me because

01:01:35.139 --> 01:01:39.019
I sparked out Frazier Clark. Yeah, and I'm going

01:01:39.019 --> 01:01:42.199
to sit on my WBO European title. That's not how

01:01:42.199 --> 01:01:48.440
it works. But I expect this is going to be the

01:01:48.440 --> 01:01:52.340
type of media posturing that we can see from

01:01:52.340 --> 01:01:57.820
the quote -unquote elite. That are coming or

01:01:57.820 --> 01:02:02.360
fighting in Zufa. Oh, yeah. Just a lot of chatter.

01:02:04.880 --> 01:02:08.360
Anything more for our recaps before we keep it

01:02:08.360 --> 01:02:13.179
rolling? I want to add something to news and

01:02:13.179 --> 01:02:17.300
something to actually Zufa 3. Where Dana White

01:02:17.300 --> 01:02:20.340
made a comment about how he was fighting babies.

01:02:20.960 --> 01:02:24.909
Oh, the other promoters. Yeah. Yeah. He's trying

01:02:24.909 --> 01:02:30.170
to posture the, I guess, the view of Zufa that

01:02:30.170 --> 01:02:31.769
they're taking over boxing. Obviously, they're

01:02:31.769 --> 01:02:33.070
trying to say that they're going to take over

01:02:33.070 --> 01:02:37.030
boxing, but that is easy when it's been completely

01:02:37.030 --> 01:02:42.070
just a road of fucking hassle. Shitters and nobodies,

01:02:42.070 --> 01:02:44.469
that's all he has. Yeah, shitters and nobodies.

01:02:44.690 --> 01:02:46.030
They're trying to make it look like they've got

01:02:46.030 --> 01:02:49.170
kings, but, I mean, these guys never made it

01:02:49.170 --> 01:02:51.730
on a main event, you know? Yeah. Because we're

01:02:51.730 --> 01:02:56.070
never stars. Ryo, man, that one still fucking

01:02:56.070 --> 01:03:00.369
baffles me. Like, dude, you had one setback against

01:03:00.369 --> 01:03:06.590
Anton Russell. Come on, dude. We'll talk about

01:03:06.590 --> 01:03:07.550
another guy soon. I don't know if it's going

01:03:07.550 --> 01:03:08.909
to be this week or next week, but we'll be talking

01:03:08.909 --> 01:03:10.949
about another guy. Yeah, we'll be talking about

01:03:10.949 --> 01:03:13.530
him next week. All right, a little bit of notes

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first. Friday, February 27th. ProBox TV in Arlington,

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Texas. there are as you would expect from a like

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prospect development series like pro box there

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are a fuck ton of fighters on this card um this

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is this is a if you are again if you're a single

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fucking loser like me this is a perfect use of

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your friday night um let's see names that i recognize

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i recognize renee taez Ruben Aguilar, that's

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in the main and co -main, respectively. Oh, I

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recognize Edward Vasquez. Javier Bocanegra. Some

01:07:21.260 --> 01:07:25.579
guys that have been coming up, they've been putting

01:07:25.579 --> 01:07:29.079
in the work. Speaking of Espinoza, Vasquez coming

01:07:29.079 --> 01:07:32.280
off of getting turned into ground beef by Espinoza

01:07:32.280 --> 01:07:36.300
last year. Hey, well, when you got to rehab your

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career, Probox is a lovely place to do it. Yeah,

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Probox is always there for you. Yep. Moving to

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Saturday, February 28th. First card first. Just

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a random insert. There's a Queensbury card on

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DAZN that this is the one that I had mentioned

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that's just full of prospects. So if you want

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to check that out, if you want some Brit slop,

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fucking get after it. Manny Pacquiao promotions

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on Amazon Prime out of Verona, New York. The

01:08:12.670 --> 01:08:18.390
headline, Elijah Pierce vs. Lorenzo Parra. Had

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to make sure to roll the R for that one. Do you

01:08:20.989 --> 01:08:24.329
guys think Elijah Pierce will be a notable name

01:08:24.329 --> 01:08:32.090
in the future? Maybe. He's climbed up the ladder.

01:08:33.000 --> 01:08:36.380
He's a bit of a project guy, but time's starting

01:08:36.380 --> 01:08:42.000
to run out on whether he reaches that kind of

01:08:42.000 --> 01:08:48.000
upper echelon of the sport. Just because, yeah,

01:08:48.399 --> 01:08:51.000
whatever, two early losses really don't matter

01:08:51.000 --> 01:08:57.539
at this point in your career. But it's time to

01:08:57.539 --> 01:09:03.439
start accelerating a little bit at age 29. Yeah,

01:09:03.460 --> 01:09:06.520
avoid Derek James at all costs. Avoid Derek James.

01:09:08.659 --> 01:09:14.340
Not a bad show. Womax got room in his camp. The

01:09:14.340 --> 01:09:18.119
two fighters that I really wanted to point out

01:09:18.119 --> 01:09:21.060
on this one, like the main event, whatever, I

01:09:21.060 --> 01:09:26.479
don't really care. But, Kermel Moten is fighting

01:09:26.479 --> 01:09:30.159
on this one against Wilfredo Flores. Now, I have

01:09:30.159 --> 01:09:33.800
not seen... any indication that this is true

01:09:33.800 --> 01:09:37.840
but there's a lot of talk that this is at welterweight

01:09:37.840 --> 01:09:43.979
is that like moten fights at 135 he's at welterweight

01:09:43.979 --> 01:09:48.180
now jesus what the fuck that's what i mean i

01:09:48.180 --> 01:09:50.420
said he'll make it to like 160 before fighting

01:09:50.420 --> 01:09:55.800
anyone jesus christ it says 147 your eyes are

01:09:55.800 --> 01:09:58.890
not deceiving you well There you have it. Carmel

01:09:58.890 --> 01:10:03.069
Moten. He's a growing boy. Yeah, he's 19, so,

01:10:03.170 --> 01:10:08.350
you know, DoorDash has good deals from time to

01:10:08.350 --> 01:10:12.310
time. The problem is he's 5 '4". Right, that's

01:10:12.310 --> 01:10:14.810
what I, like, he's small. He's like Gervonta

01:10:14.810 --> 01:10:19.729
Davis. Like, how the fuck are you that big? Especially

01:10:19.729 --> 01:10:24.329
as a teenager, like, you're in... camp, for fights?

01:10:24.609 --> 01:10:27.890
How is this possible? You gotta be on that Isaac

01:10:27.890 --> 01:10:32.869
diet. I'm starting to get nervous about Cormel

01:10:32.869 --> 01:10:36.810
Moten's career. I'm not gonna lie. The way he's

01:10:36.810 --> 01:10:39.250
being managed and the way he's been moved. He's

01:10:39.250 --> 01:10:46.189
disciplined. Yeah, I think honestly like he's

01:10:46.189 --> 01:10:48.210
still fighting. He'll get there eventually. It's

01:10:48.210 --> 01:10:51.270
just... Ooh, he's definitely looking more and

01:10:51.270 --> 01:10:53.550
more of a project guy than, like, a star prospect.

01:10:54.289 --> 01:10:57.609
He was one of those, like, five -star prospects

01:10:57.609 --> 01:11:00.710
that people were talking about. You've got to

01:11:00.710 --> 01:11:04.829
start thinking of putting the brakes on the hype

01:11:04.829 --> 01:11:07.529
and thinking of him as a project guy. Because,

01:11:07.550 --> 01:11:10.630
like, definitely, like, you know the MMA meme

01:11:10.630 --> 01:11:13.550
of, like, two years Dagestan? Two, three years,

01:11:13.630 --> 01:11:17.109
forget. Two, three years, Pro Box, forget. Yeah,

01:11:17.250 --> 01:11:19.939
that might be the move. Yeah, like, stick him

01:11:19.939 --> 01:11:22.979
on ProBox. Like, he's going to sink or swim.

01:11:23.039 --> 01:11:25.199
And honestly, like, he's a five -star prospect.

01:11:25.319 --> 01:11:28.640
He should swim. And they'll give him, like, they'll

01:11:28.640 --> 01:11:30.640
roll out the red carpet for him, too. Like, he's

01:11:30.640 --> 01:11:33.920
not going to be mistreated or, like, treated

01:11:33.920 --> 01:11:36.899
like some other, like, just another guy coming

01:11:36.899 --> 01:11:40.060
up. No, like, it's ProBox. And with the hype

01:11:40.060 --> 01:11:42.279
he has, ProBox could probably have him headline

01:11:42.279 --> 01:11:46.020
every time. Exactly. Exactly. Like, it'll be

01:11:46.020 --> 01:11:48.060
a good chunk of change. Like, you're not paying

01:11:48.060 --> 01:11:52.520
to fight bums. You're getting good work. Like,

01:11:52.539 --> 01:11:56.000
I presume part of the issue stems from the whole

01:11:56.000 --> 01:12:02.159
lack of broadcast networks. Because, like, with

01:12:02.159 --> 01:12:07.079
his profile, you kind of have to, you know. Yeah,

01:12:07.100 --> 01:12:11.760
he's not a PPC undercard guy. Yet. But he's basically

01:12:11.760 --> 01:12:15.699
paying, his team is paying for him to fight instead

01:12:15.699 --> 01:12:18.779
of the other way around. My thing is he's fighting

01:12:18.779 --> 01:12:21.600
as much as, well, last year he only fought twice.

01:12:22.000 --> 01:12:25.140
Yeah. He is not at that level. That's ridiculous

01:12:25.140 --> 01:12:27.779
for a prospect. Yeah, he's not. Get him on ProBox

01:12:27.779 --> 01:12:30.119
every three months for the next couple of years.

01:12:31.640 --> 01:12:34.720
Two, three years ProBox and forget it. Yeah,

01:12:34.720 --> 01:12:36.739
like, literally, even if he's not making that

01:12:36.739 --> 01:12:39.460
much money, like, I assume the opponents they

01:12:39.460 --> 01:12:42.020
have to bring in, they're going to ask for extra

01:12:42.020 --> 01:12:43.960
just because of the level of prospect that he

01:12:43.960 --> 01:12:47.359
is. Oh, yeah, you're bringing me on to get schooled

01:12:47.359 --> 01:12:50.899
by Moten. I want better than the regular pay.

01:12:51.000 --> 01:12:54.500
I want better than $1 ,000. I mean, Kermel's

01:12:54.500 --> 01:12:56.720
not fighting on his own card, though, right?

01:12:56.739 --> 01:12:58.899
He's fighting Manny Pacquiao. No, no, but that

01:12:58.899 --> 01:13:02.220
makes it worse. It's still Kermel. Wait, you

01:13:02.220 --> 01:13:03.789
said he was fighting on the what card? Manny

01:13:03.789 --> 01:13:06.970
Pacquiao promotions? Yeah. Which is interesting,

01:13:07.090 --> 01:13:10.510
in my opinion, because... I mean, come on. Manny

01:13:10.510 --> 01:13:14.529
Pacquiao promotions... It's not really... I know.

01:13:15.630 --> 01:13:18.189
It's probably going to have such a little return

01:13:18.189 --> 01:13:20.069
that you're going to have to pay for him to...

01:13:20.069 --> 01:13:24.750
You have to pay for him and his opponent. And

01:13:24.750 --> 01:13:27.510
I think the pay cut being on Pro Box at least

01:13:27.510 --> 01:13:31.130
ensures you get consistent fights. You guys could

01:13:31.130 --> 01:13:34.199
disagree with me with this. I don't care. His

01:13:34.199 --> 01:13:38.939
best bet should be top rank. That would be a

01:13:38.939 --> 01:13:44.159
great avenue to go to. In my opinion. Go to the

01:13:44.159 --> 01:13:47.640
top rank, get built by them. They will build

01:13:47.640 --> 01:13:50.960
him fantastic. And they won't move him quick.

01:13:51.039 --> 01:13:56.039
I would agree if top rank had a broadcast deal.

01:13:56.279 --> 01:13:59.600
Like, yeah, a set framework where they can...

01:14:00.720 --> 01:14:03.039
Just push him through, like, this fight. We'll

01:14:03.039 --> 01:14:06.640
have six, eight, ten rounds by this card. Yeah,

01:14:06.640 --> 01:14:08.439
like, you'll fight on Heisman Knight for sure.

01:14:08.840 --> 01:14:12.659
You'll fight on whenever we put Janabek on. You'll

01:14:12.659 --> 01:14:15.180
fight whenever we put Abdullah Mason, like, back

01:14:15.180 --> 01:14:18.359
when they were on ESPN. Well, guess what? You

01:14:18.359 --> 01:14:20.960
do the Abdullah Mason and you stick him on every

01:14:20.960 --> 01:14:23.819
undercard, basically. What is he getting right

01:14:23.819 --> 01:14:25.539
now? He's getting nothing. I mean, anything's

01:14:25.539 --> 01:14:28.000
better than right now. But top rank isn't going

01:14:28.000 --> 01:14:31.140
to give him that either. Even Matchroom, he would

01:14:31.140 --> 01:14:34.560
be a great Matchroom guy with their Black American

01:14:34.560 --> 01:14:38.300
stable. Matchroom, I think they would do a good

01:14:38.300 --> 01:14:41.020
job with him. Queensberry would as well. The

01:14:41.020 --> 01:14:44.300
ceiling is a little lower with Queensberry, but

01:14:44.300 --> 01:14:47.640
I think they have the infrastructure to build

01:14:47.640 --> 01:14:52.760
a guy like Kermel Moten up. Oh, yeah. Let's see.

01:14:52.979 --> 01:14:58.659
So, Kermel Moten and Manny Pacquiao Jr. is also

01:14:58.659 --> 01:15:02.720
fighting on this card. So, I still have not found

01:15:02.720 --> 01:15:07.119
this on Amazon Prime. I've looked many times.

01:15:09.079 --> 01:15:12.079
Allegedly on Prime. Allegedly it's on Prime.

01:15:12.979 --> 01:15:19.079
Let's see here. Last one. Matchroom on DAZN in

01:15:19.079 --> 01:15:23.199
Phoenix, Arizona. I will absolutely be in attendance.

01:15:25.569 --> 01:15:29.569
Moving up the bill, it does leave a little bit

01:15:29.569 --> 01:15:34.390
to be desired. Emiliano Vargas is on it, so I'm

01:15:34.390 --> 01:15:38.109
very happy to see him getting work. Abel Ramos,

01:15:38.289 --> 01:15:41.729
Unk still got it. Tamir Smalls. Unk still got

01:15:41.729 --> 01:15:46.890
it. But the main event, Emmanuel Navarrete versus

01:15:46.890 --> 01:15:52.930
Eduardo Nunez, WBO and IBF. Super featherweight

01:15:52.930 --> 01:16:02.609
champions. Will be unifying. I'm. I'm. Hmm. I'm

01:16:02.609 --> 01:16:06.229
trying to think. This is a really good fight.

01:16:06.369 --> 01:16:10.189
I'm still not entirely sure. Who I think is going

01:16:10.189 --> 01:16:18.170
to win. For. For reasons. I would. I'm riding

01:16:18.170 --> 01:16:25.710
with Nunez. Only because. Nav has he has skated

01:16:25.710 --> 01:16:30.010
by without really having to put in all the same

01:16:30.010 --> 01:16:34.590
commitment that other fighters have to. And he

01:16:34.590 --> 01:16:38.670
gets the accolades anyway. So he's had the most

01:16:38.670 --> 01:16:42.029
like like pretty much any call that like could

01:16:42.029 --> 01:16:45.409
go his way generally does. Typically it does.

01:16:45.590 --> 01:16:49.170
So I would like to see that road run out for

01:16:49.170 --> 01:16:54.300
him. That's really it. Regardless if Nav wins,

01:16:54.600 --> 01:16:58.520
I'm not fussed. I'm happy either way. I just

01:16:58.520 --> 01:17:02.439
hope for a good fight. Nunez will avenge Liam

01:17:02.439 --> 01:17:08.079
Wilson. I got to be honest. I think Nunez wins,

01:17:08.300 --> 01:17:10.560
but I really can't say until we see the weigh

01:17:10.560 --> 01:17:14.699
-ins. Oh, yeah. Nunez will suspiciously weigh

01:17:14.699 --> 01:17:17.439
in at a career -low five pounds lower than he's

01:17:17.439 --> 01:17:20.430
ever weighed before. And Nav will just scrape

01:17:20.430 --> 01:17:23.750
by the weight limit again. Well, what I'm thinking

01:17:23.750 --> 01:17:28.310
is if Nunez is more accurate, I would say even

01:17:28.310 --> 01:17:34.630
faster. Just a slicker Oscar Valdez. You know?

01:17:34.909 --> 01:17:38.449
I think that even though he's shorter than Navarrete,

01:17:38.609 --> 01:17:43.970
if he's accurate and Nunez does hit hard, I mean,

01:17:43.989 --> 01:17:47.840
he might win. I think he has a good chance of

01:17:47.840 --> 01:17:49.140
winning this weekend. Yeah, that's what I was

01:17:49.140 --> 01:17:52.859
going to say. He fights similarly to Valdez,

01:17:53.020 --> 01:17:57.359
but he has heavy hands behind it. And that makes

01:17:57.359 --> 01:18:01.659
a huge difference in how you approach fighting

01:18:01.659 --> 01:18:05.300
him. 100%. When Navarrete, the way he wins is

01:18:05.300 --> 01:18:09.640
he's just going to be tall and long and be awkward.

01:18:12.159 --> 01:18:14.579
I mean, honestly, if Navarrete makes weight...

01:18:15.630 --> 01:18:19.149
and he makes weight good i'm not gonna lie yeah

01:18:19.149 --> 01:18:21.789
if he makes weight good i'm not gonna lie i i

01:18:21.789 --> 01:18:25.869
think that he might just win too it's hard it's

01:18:25.869 --> 01:18:28.729
a tough step i can't i can't really choose i

01:18:28.729 --> 01:18:35.689
i hope nunez wins but you never know yeah so

01:18:35.689 --> 01:18:40.069
on uh boxing before dark for this week i had

01:18:40.069 --> 01:18:42.729
picked up some topics some like off topic things

01:18:42.729 --> 01:18:48.659
to put up at the top to to add a little pad a

01:18:48.659 --> 01:18:51.260
little time um one of the topics that i picked

01:18:51.260 --> 01:18:55.880
up oh do you guys remember maybe you didn't follow

01:18:55.880 --> 01:18:59.960
it but maybe you heard of the little pygmy hippo

01:18:59.960 --> 01:19:07.840
mudang oh yeah so slightly so that yeah the one

01:19:07.840 --> 01:19:10.239
that ate the one that ate the trump cake yeah

01:19:10.239 --> 01:19:13.100
and like would bite people and shit all the time

01:19:13.100 --> 01:19:17.670
yeah so that trend kind of passed on what the

01:19:17.670 --> 01:19:22.210
the new hotness in the animal kingdom is the

01:19:22.210 --> 01:19:26.930
monkey punch yeah punch okay yeah so we were

01:19:26.930 --> 01:19:31.149
talking about punch and when we got to the end

01:19:31.149 --> 01:19:33.130
and we were talking about this fight specifically

01:19:33.130 --> 01:19:36.949
it was uh she asked who do you think punch would

01:19:36.949 --> 01:19:42.810
be cheering for and i said now punch His fame

01:19:42.810 --> 01:19:46.289
comes from, he was abandoned by his mother, and

01:19:46.289 --> 01:19:49.510
he was given an orangutan, like, little stuffy.

01:19:49.590 --> 01:19:52.810
The Ikea monkey plushie, yes. Yeah, to be, like,

01:19:52.850 --> 01:19:56.949
that was his little friend. So, my thinking was,

01:19:57.210 --> 01:20:01.069
Punch would cheer for Nav, because Nav has those

01:20:01.069 --> 01:20:03.909
fucking gorilla arms. Nav looks like the monkey

01:20:03.909 --> 01:20:07.949
plushie, exactly. Punch would be going for, he

01:20:07.949 --> 01:20:10.670
would be cheering for Nav. The worst part is

01:20:10.670 --> 01:20:13.210
the plushie has a little bit of a pot belly like

01:20:13.210 --> 01:20:18.970
that. The resemblance is uncanny. The resemblance

01:20:18.970 --> 01:20:24.449
is uncanny. Yeah, that was a little callback

01:20:24.449 --> 01:20:29.550
to Boxing Before Dark. Punch the monkey. Oh,

01:20:29.550 --> 01:20:35.109
shit. This is a fucking long drive for me. God,

01:20:35.430 --> 01:20:40.039
I can't even get all shitty at the event. Just

01:20:40.039 --> 01:20:44.239
gotta sit there like a good little boxing fan

01:20:44.239 --> 01:20:47.600
and just be really observant. Just gotta take

01:20:47.600 --> 01:20:51.300
it at that point. Yeah, pretty much. Still, though,

01:20:51.439 --> 01:20:59.119
this... Yeah, the card is not the best, but Vargas,

01:20:59.300 --> 01:21:05.039
happy to see him live. Abel Ramos doing it for

01:21:05.039 --> 01:21:08.199
us old guys. And yeah, the main event's fucking

01:21:08.199 --> 01:21:12.659
fun. Oh, yeah. That's all we got on the docket

01:21:12.659 --> 01:21:17.619
for this one. So, we're heading into Nav Nunez

01:21:17.619 --> 01:21:25.199
weekend. Parting words. I hope the zookeepers

01:21:25.199 --> 01:21:27.920
start giving Punch boxing predictions for real,

01:21:27.979 --> 01:21:32.680
though. It'd be really funny. Yeah, give him

01:21:32.680 --> 01:21:38.649
Inoue Nakatani things. Make him choose. See if

01:21:38.649 --> 01:21:43.710
he knows ball. The most recent update that I've

01:21:43.710 --> 01:21:48.090
seen is that his little clan in the zoo, they

01:21:48.090 --> 01:21:51.050
have accepted him. They have accepted him. And

01:21:51.050 --> 01:21:53.489
what's funny is whenever he gets into play fights,

01:21:53.729 --> 01:22:00.510
he swings the monkey plush around too. But the

01:22:00.510 --> 01:22:04.100
thing is that the other monkey also... sort of

01:22:04.100 --> 01:22:07.460
recognizes the plush as another monkey so it's

01:22:07.460 --> 01:22:18.960
like they're to be wanting the monkey fucking

01:22:18.960 --> 01:22:22.619
nav nunez punch the monkey is probably going

01:22:22.619 --> 01:22:38.399
for nav Anything else? Anything else? Well, let's

01:22:38.399 --> 01:22:41.199
go Nunez, hopefully. Let's go Vargas, let's go.

01:22:41.399 --> 01:22:46.279
Let's go, everybody. February 8th was... It's

01:22:46.279 --> 01:22:49.619
in the review block, but fucking... That was

01:22:49.619 --> 01:22:56.600
the Super Bowl. I didn't... I watched it. I watched

01:22:56.600 --> 01:23:01.279
the... The halftime show. I thought it was cool

01:23:01.279 --> 01:23:04.420
to see Xander Zayas and Emiliano Vargas there.

01:23:05.119 --> 01:23:11.800
To me, that part of the show spoke to me personally.

01:23:12.479 --> 01:23:16.479
I very much speak Spanish and understand it.

01:23:16.539 --> 01:23:20.739
I don't listen to Bad Bunny's music, so I didn't

01:23:20.739 --> 01:23:25.220
really care that he was performing. Yeah. But...

01:23:26.560 --> 01:23:31.140
Apparently, there was a dude on the TPUSA one

01:23:31.140 --> 01:23:35.800
that was... He was singing a song about fishing

01:23:35.800 --> 01:23:44.699
and driving his truck and feeding his dog. It

01:23:44.699 --> 01:23:54.079
was a really good song. Just thought I'd put

01:23:54.079 --> 01:24:01.619
that little... End note there. All right. That's

01:24:01.619 --> 01:24:05.100
it for this edition of The Boxing B -Sides. Go

01:24:05.100 --> 01:24:06.180
check out Punch the Monkey.