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Before Dark. Boxing. Boxing. Boxing. Back. Back.

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Boxing. Boxing. Boxing. Boxing Before Dark. This

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is Boxing Before Dark. All right. Okay. Let's

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fucking. I am dialed in. Boxing before dark,

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we fucking got the fights. Holy shit, Shinara,

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how you doing out there in Japan? Had a long

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night. I'm a little rough this morning, not gonna

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lie. Fighting for your life? Nah, nah, it's not

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that bad. Maybe threw up before the podcast,

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but it's all good. Maybe. Man. So, the Ali Revival

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Act has cleared committee for people who forgot

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their civics lessons. Bills or amendments to

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bills like this start off in committee, then

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they get voted out of committee, and then they

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go to the floor for a vote. This cleared committee.

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It passed 30 votes to 4. And, yeah, so now it

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goes to the Speaker of the House to determine

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if it's going to be heard for a vote in the House.

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If it passes there, then it goes to the Senate

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committee, the equivalent committee in the Senate,

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and same process there. Right. So, some changes

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were made to... the Muhammad Ali American Boxing

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Revival Act. The fighter pay has been increased.

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The minimum pay per round is now $200 a round.

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Which still seems crazy low to me. Up from $150.

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Small victories, I guess. The minimum insurance

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coverage... was doubled from 25 ,000 to 50 ,000.

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This seems really good, but I've heard a lot

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of the boxing podcasts with actual fighters discussing

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how this will kill club shows entirely. I've

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been hearing the same thing. Yeah, that it's

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going to reduce any of the kind of grassroots,

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lower -level competition. Um, I mean, minimum

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pays and minimum insurance coverage is a good

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thing. I'm not saying it's not, but this definitely

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feels like a way to reduce the competition for

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prospects. Yeah. So if you don't get signed by

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a major organization, you pretty much don't get

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to compete. Exactly. Yeah. And like, so they

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get to pick who they want. and everyone else

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is just fucked, basically. So, I don't know.

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These are, on paper, really good things, but

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maybe they're not as good as they appear when

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you first think about them. But that being said,

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fighters should have insurance. Fighters should

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get paid. Like, 100%. I'm not... I don't know.

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I'm conflicted about these two. The sunset clause

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for all fighter contracts set to six years. Yeah.

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Of course, fighters are able to re -sign, but

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there is a designated grace period where they

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can check with other promoters, see what they're

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offering. That one I see no downside to. I think

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that one's just across the board not bad. And

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I also heard something about they have to offer

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a fight every six months. Yes. So people can't

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get just completely sidelined if your promoter

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doesn't like you, which is also a good thing,

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I think. If they don't get a fight every six

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months, they get 10 times the minimum per round.

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So like 2000 a month until they get there. Next

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fight. Nice. That one, I think, is just across

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the board positive. And I kind of hope it gets

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people to fight more often. Because a lot of

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dudes fight once a year right now. And barring

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injury or anything crazy, I think most fighters

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could handle two fights a year. I think that's

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very reasonable. Yeah, twice a year kind of became

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the gold standard. like throughout the aughts

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and the early 2000 the teens yeah and fighting

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more like of course there's the jokes that like

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Armstrong fought fucking like five times a year

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yeah but lots of those fights were kind of basically

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sparring matches in front of people yeah But

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two good fights a year is not a bad schedule.

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Yeah. The elimination of secondary titles. Only

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one belt per division. I kind of like that. I

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mean, the silvers, the interims, the whatever.

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It's confusing as fuck. like i've been so confused

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sometimes when we're talking on this podcast

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i'm like but he's the champion and then nah he's

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the silver champ but then there's the super champ

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or whatever the fuck it is yeah they're confusing

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as hell yeah i i agree with this one um as well

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like they're the only it was an interesting question

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that somebody else had posed was how does this

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affect like regional titles Because even if it's

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just like Continental Americas, you're still

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designated the champion of Continental Americas.

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True. I hadn't really considered that until you

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said that just now. But the regional belts are

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important. Exactly. They're stepping stones.

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The Oriental Pacific ones are really an important

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step here in Japan. and uh i think the the british

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title or whatever it is british that's also yeah

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that's also a really like important milestone

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for fighters to hit i hadn't thought about that

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i hope they don't get rid of the regional belts

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i hope this only is like in regards to world

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titles right like ebu is that's important for

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the european scene opbf like you mentioned Yeah,

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I don't want to see those go away. I'm curious

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how this is going to play out. Yeah, yeah. I

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think they need to keep those stepping stone

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belts. And I don't think that confuses anyone

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because the casuals have never heard of them.

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And it's very clear it's not the same as a world

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title. Right. Anybody who has one doesn't parade

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it. The only person I've ever seen parade a regional

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title is Montana Love. Yeah. Otherwise, nobody.

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Nobody holds that up like they're the king of

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the world. I don't know how the sanctioning...

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Oh, Jesus Christ. Sanctioning fees. affect those

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either like nobody is really defending those

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for very long usually i mean some guys do and

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that's that's fine that's good but i mean like

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the really big guys it's a stepping stone yeah

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sanctioning fees is uh how is that gonna how

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is this limitation how is that going to like

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it's none of the other than ibf The traditional

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sanctioning bodies are not housed in the U .S.

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They're based out of Mexico, Puerto Rico, so

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I guess that one kind of counts. That's WBO.

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And then WBA is in Panama. For what it's worth,

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IBF and WBO are actually really good about not

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putting out interim champs or having more than

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one title per division. But, like, WBC is...

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They go crazy with that shit. Yeah, and it legitimately

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confuses me sometimes. Like, you're watching

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the fight and suddenly there's a belt. And I'm

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like, this wasn't a world title fight. Like,

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what is happening? Because they do the silvers

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and the supers and the interims and the... Franchise

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and diamond. Yeah. It gets confusing. Yeah. I...

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i'm all for there being one world title for each

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sanctioning body like and i i don't see a downside

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to that but if they're not getting their money

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from all these subs sub belts are they gonna

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start taking higher percentages to pay their

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sanctioning whatever i actually don't know what

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the the sanctioning money goes for a whole bunch

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I assume it's for the drug testing and lining

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a lot of pockets, mostly. That's what I expect

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it's used for as well, lining pockets. I think

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in order to maintain a ranking, you have to pay

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a sanctioning fee for your fights. I don't know,

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so maybe there'll be that. Right, yeah. That's

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also kind of corrupt as hell, but... It is what

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it is. Yeah, you should just be ranked for being

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good. Yeah, yeah. Like, I do know that the sanctioning

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bodies have expenses. They need some income,

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but I think they milk fighters for a lot more

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than they actually need. Yeah, I agree. Interesting

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that you had mentioned the sanctioning bodies

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and drug testing. One of the other... amendments

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to the Revival Act is randomized drug testing

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for both fighters competing in a title fight

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and a randomized half of all fights on the card.

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So you don't know which of the two fighters is

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going to be picked. But every fight has at least

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one fighter being tested. I see no downside to

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this either. Something Bally brought up was cost.

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It is expensive. Yeah. Well, and how much testing

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are they doing is the other question. Whatever

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the World Anti -Doping Agency standard is. Yeah,

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that's expensive. Yes, it is. Yeah. If they randomized

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and just also randomized what drugs they were

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testing for, they could cut the cost down quite

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a bit, I think. But. Yeah. So is this. This is

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every card. Has half the fighters. Yes. Another

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way to get rid of the grassroots stuff. Yes exactly.

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Like those club shows. They don't have the money

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for this. It might be possible. If it could be

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worked out through the State Athletic Commission?

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Yeah, I kind of feel that they're not going to

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try and make it so that the club shows can survive.

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Yeah, I think you're right. That's probably the

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point. This is meant to reduce competition. Yes,

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it solidifies the major players as they are.

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Yeah. and obviously Zufa has a lot of money behind

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them so yeah again like on the surface first

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pass super good idea but yeah it's it's really

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gonna start hurting people I think and like pro

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box is not that grassroots but it's pretty grassroots

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and I don't know if pro box can even afford this

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shit Pro box is probably going to leave YouTube

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and you're going to have to pay a monthly fee

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to watch pro box so they can pay for drug testing

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and shit. And that makes me sad. It is. It would

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make me sad as well. I also would not feel too,

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I wouldn't, I would be okay with supporting pro

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box financially. I would too, but like me and

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you have enough money that that's feasible. Right?

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Yeah, you're right. Like, neither one of us is

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choosing pro box or groceries like yeah that's

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true damn i mean pro box on youtube for free

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for everyone is fucking great for boxing in my

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opinion and if they have to get rid of that it's

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it's gonna make me sad because anyone that i

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talk to on the internet or in real life I push

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pro box so hard and I don't feel bad about it

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at all because it's free. It's free on YouTube.

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Yeah. Yeah. Um, but yeah, that's, those are the

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changes to the fucking revival act. Um, and again,

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all surface sounds great, but when you stop and

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think about it, it's kind of like, this is, this

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is going to hurt some stuff. And. If you have

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those minimums for the fighters and stuff, that's

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great. I'm not saying it's not, but some fighters

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who can't get in with the big guys are just not

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going to get in at all now. Yeah, because this

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isn't going to hurt PBC or Zufa, like I said.

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No, like... top ranks gonna be well pop ranks

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kind of fucked anyways but matchroom and queensbury

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that it's not for those guys like yeah it's eye

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of the tiger like i bet you those guys are kind

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of well it's all drug money anyways but those

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guys are borderline scraping by That's Canada,

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so I guess this doesn't affect them, though.

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My regional, I can think of two regional promotions

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off the top of my head that would struggle for

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this. I expect Ironboy probably not going to

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be in operation much longer with these kinds

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of minimums set up. Del Sol, definitely less.

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They'll be out of business faster than Ironboy

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would be. Yeah. I don't know. I'm a little torn

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about all of it. But I really don't like the,

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whatever they call them, unified boxing commissions.

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That whole system just seems ripe for fucking

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people over. Yeah, it's exactly what UFC is.

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And there's more than one case. Plenty of examples

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of fighters speaking out about shitty pay, shitty

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treatment. And this is to make UBOs exist like

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UFC. That's really what the point is. Yeah, and

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I think that's terrible. And that's the whole

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reason that the Ali Act was passed in the first

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place, was to stop that. Yeah. But this, like

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I had outlined, it still has quite a bit of ways

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to go. Still plenty of hurdles that it has to

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clear. It is getting some pushback as well. Yes.

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Like I mentioned the first time we talked about

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it, Ilhan Omar and the newest rep out of Arizona,

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her name is Adelita Grijalva. Those two women

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fucking spoke up. And I really appreciate it.

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Yeah. And they make some really good points.

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Like, they're really well informed about why

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some of these things are a bad idea. Yeah. Bad

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ideas. Gervonta Davis is on the run. This whole

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saga is fucking ridiculous. At least the WBA

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did the right thing. Stripped him of his title.

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But they didn't. They put them in recess. Or

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did they finally strip them? Okay, good. Yeah,

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legit. And nobody knows where Tank is. This is

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legitimately fucking funny. This is a wild fucking

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ride. The villain of the year is looking better

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and better. He might be the villain of 2026 as

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well. yeah he might be fucking ridiculous like

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man just turn yourself in or disappear completely

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like those are your two options i'm sure oh well

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i was gonna say his uh google search is probably

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like non -extradition countries but he's going

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to argentina yeah but i don't think he has the

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wherewithal to look that up He's not very book

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smart. Better be learning Spanish. Deontay Wilder

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is looking to fight Derek Chisora. It's looking

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like it's going to happen in April. Okay, how

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do you feel about this? Because I, honest to

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God, think Chisora beats him. I would... I'm

00:19:30.960 --> 00:19:35.079
inclined to agree. I do think Chizora probably...

00:19:35.079 --> 00:19:38.539
The way somebody put it a long time ago that

00:19:38.539 --> 00:19:41.599
made me just nearly piss myself laughing was

00:19:41.599 --> 00:19:45.660
Derek Chizora has more experience being washed.

00:19:46.539 --> 00:19:52.579
It's true, though. It is true. He knows how to

00:19:52.579 --> 00:19:57.799
get by being the B -side. Chizora understands

00:19:57.799 --> 00:20:01.579
exactly what he can do, and he doesn't try to

00:20:01.579 --> 00:20:05.859
be what he was. Chizora uses his abilities the

00:20:05.859 --> 00:20:08.859
best way they can be used at this point in time.

00:20:09.539 --> 00:20:13.740
And I don't think Wilder does. Yeah, I don't

00:20:13.740 --> 00:20:16.880
think he does either. I'm still going to be cheering

00:20:16.880 --> 00:20:20.420
for my man Deontay, but I don't like your odds.

00:20:20.940 --> 00:20:25.099
I just think this is a fuck -up by Wilder. He

00:20:25.099 --> 00:20:27.259
should have just took the Usyk Payday and gotten

00:20:27.259 --> 00:20:29.099
his ass kicked. Because he's going to get his

00:20:29.099 --> 00:20:31.859
ass kicked by Chizora. Which is going to take

00:20:31.859 --> 00:20:37.000
a lot longer and hurt a lot more. And he's going

00:20:37.000 --> 00:20:39.200
to fumble the bag. He's not getting that Usyk

00:20:39.200 --> 00:20:44.339
Payday after Chizora chins him. And the other

00:20:44.339 --> 00:20:49.299
rumor is... Well, the Wilder Chizora, that's

00:20:49.299 --> 00:20:53.279
not a rumor. That is moving ahead. It looks like

00:20:53.279 --> 00:20:56.599
the Sauerland Brothers. Wasserman boxing. Looks

00:20:56.599 --> 00:21:00.440
like they're going to be promoting it. Usyk might

00:21:00.440 --> 00:21:07.299
be fighting Andy Ruiz as well. Imagine. It's

00:21:07.299 --> 00:21:10.839
not going to happen, but imagine Ruiz pulls off

00:21:10.839 --> 00:21:14.740
the fucking crazy upset a second time. Imagine

00:21:14.740 --> 00:21:17.960
that Andy Ruiz locks in and somehow wins it.

00:21:18.119 --> 00:21:24.210
Then it becomes Ruiz versus Chisora. As the winners

00:21:24.210 --> 00:21:29.410
of the brackets. That's the worst timeline ever.

00:21:29.849 --> 00:21:35.970
Yeah. Agreed. Speaking of worst timelines, Jai

00:21:35.970 --> 00:21:42.809
Opataya signs with Zufa. Yeah. I'm disappointed

00:21:42.809 --> 00:21:49.609
in Opataya. I watched the Probox podcasting boxing

00:21:49.609 --> 00:21:54.049
scene or whatever it is. Pauly Molinaggi was

00:21:54.049 --> 00:21:57.650
in Australia for that last card. The fucking

00:21:57.650 --> 00:22:01.329
atrocity that it was. And he said he was talking

00:22:01.329 --> 00:22:05.190
to people there and Opataya's getting fucked

00:22:05.190 --> 00:22:09.630
always. He fights for peanuts, apparently. Oh,

00:22:09.769 --> 00:22:13.369
shit. Like, they don't pay him shit. Tasman fighters.

00:22:14.890 --> 00:22:21.000
Zufa probably was like... a pay jump and a half,

00:22:21.240 --> 00:22:22.940
and they're still getting them at a discount.

00:22:24.259 --> 00:22:27.880
Good gracious. According to Pauly Malinagy, like,

00:22:27.960 --> 00:22:31.940
this is all secondhand bullshit, but the reason

00:22:31.940 --> 00:22:36.019
they stole, not stole, but the reason that they

00:22:36.019 --> 00:22:39.799
targeted Obataya, according to him, is that he

00:22:39.799 --> 00:22:43.519
fights for way less money than he should. And

00:22:43.519 --> 00:22:47.480
also, like, cruiserweights kind of shit. Yeah,

00:22:47.539 --> 00:22:51.880
who cares? Yeah. So, like, I guess they could

00:22:51.880 --> 00:22:56.920
run Cruiserweight if they wanted to. But that

00:22:56.920 --> 00:22:58.720
kind of goes against their branding, because

00:22:58.720 --> 00:23:01.900
Zufa's, like, the original eight weight class

00:23:01.900 --> 00:23:04.420
is only yada yada yada, but then they signed

00:23:04.420 --> 00:23:07.380
the Cruiserweight champ, and when was Cruiserweight

00:23:07.380 --> 00:23:11.640
created? Like, the 80s? 90s? It's not very long

00:23:11.640 --> 00:23:13.920
ago. Yeah, it's like 40, 45 years ago? Something

00:23:13.920 --> 00:23:18.599
like that? Yeah. In the grand scheme of boxing,

00:23:18.779 --> 00:23:23.299
that's fucking nothing. Right. And further to

00:23:23.299 --> 00:23:27.119
this, it has been, it was made very apparent,

00:23:27.220 --> 00:23:30.700
or very clear, that Obatai is going to be allowed

00:23:30.700 --> 00:23:34.160
to defend his IBF title. He's going to be allowed

00:23:34.160 --> 00:23:37.619
to unify titles with other, with the two other

00:23:37.619 --> 00:23:43.000
fucking champs. Yeah, so Zupa's already capitulating

00:23:43.000 --> 00:23:50.809
on a bunch of their stuff. Which is not a surprise,

00:23:50.990 --> 00:23:54.549
but I think they've realized that they have to

00:23:54.549 --> 00:23:58.730
play ball. Boxing isn't like UFC was. At least

00:23:58.730 --> 00:24:02.930
to start, they have to play ball. Because if

00:24:02.930 --> 00:24:06.670
they could get Obataya to undisputed status,

00:24:07.190 --> 00:24:09.730
and it's not entirely out of the realm of possibility,

00:24:10.210 --> 00:24:15.329
then once he has that, then they hand him the

00:24:15.329 --> 00:24:18.579
Zufa belt. I'd say, look, the undisputed champ

00:24:18.579 --> 00:24:23.680
has the Zufa belt. Yeah, the Zufa belt guy is...

00:24:23.680 --> 00:24:29.259
I really hope people don't buy into this Zufa

00:24:29.259 --> 00:24:32.240
belt bullshit. A fifth fucking belt? No, no thank

00:24:32.240 --> 00:24:39.480
you. Yeah. Oh, shit, speaking of no thank you,

00:24:39.579 --> 00:24:43.599
Virgil Ortiz says no thank you to Golden Boy.

00:24:44.039 --> 00:24:46.940
He is suing for breach of contract and is looking

00:24:46.940 --> 00:24:52.599
to end his time as a Golden Boy fighter. That's

00:24:52.599 --> 00:24:55.339
a big loss for Golden Boy promotions. Yeah. If

00:24:55.339 --> 00:25:03.019
they lose him. Yeah. Part of the suing legalese

00:25:03.019 --> 00:25:10.559
stuff is Clapback Thursdays. So they're saying

00:25:10.559 --> 00:25:15.240
that... uh oscar de la joya and his clapback

00:25:15.240 --> 00:25:19.619
thursdays is a breach of contract because he's

00:25:19.619 --> 00:25:23.359
not trying to negotiate with the other promoters

00:25:23.359 --> 00:25:25.680
in good faith or something yeah that makes sense

00:25:25.680 --> 00:25:30.519
yeah but that's i think it's kind of silly like

00:25:30.519 --> 00:25:32.400
it's one of those things they throw a bunch of

00:25:32.400 --> 00:25:34.779
shit at the wall and see what sticks right but

00:25:34.779 --> 00:25:39.880
um Honestly, Eddie Hearn doesn't give a shit

00:25:39.880 --> 00:25:42.759
what Oscar De La Hoya says on Clapback Thursdays.

00:25:43.400 --> 00:25:46.660
Yeah, I'm sure he's not even aware. I'm sure

00:25:46.660 --> 00:25:49.420
he knows that they happen, but doesn't go look

00:25:49.420 --> 00:25:50.819
at them or anything. Yeah, and if he gets mentioned,

00:25:51.059 --> 00:25:58.400
he probably checks it out. There's also, because

00:25:58.400 --> 00:26:04.160
of Rick Merigian, I think is his name, Ortiz's

00:26:04.160 --> 00:26:10.210
manager. And Oscar are beefing because the, I

00:26:10.210 --> 00:26:12.829
don't know, it's for the, because of the Ennis

00:26:12.829 --> 00:26:15.809
fight, or trying to make the Ennis fight, and

00:26:15.809 --> 00:26:22.650
Merigian was trying to negotiate without Oscar

00:26:22.650 --> 00:26:30.599
in the room, pretty much. Oh, okay. Yeah, I don't

00:26:30.599 --> 00:26:33.180
understand why they're not just making that fight.

00:26:33.319 --> 00:26:37.220
It seems like both boxers want it. It doesn't

00:26:37.220 --> 00:26:39.579
seem like it would be a hard thing to make happen.

00:26:40.519 --> 00:26:47.039
Right. The network is there with the zone. Both

00:26:47.039 --> 00:26:49.240
fighters want it. I don't see what the problem

00:26:49.240 --> 00:26:54.660
is. Yeah. And the whole 60 -40 or whatever I

00:26:54.660 --> 00:26:57.500
also think is kind of stupid. Just 50 -50 it.

00:26:57.799 --> 00:27:01.099
They're equally big names. At this point, yeah,

00:27:01.180 --> 00:27:07.259
I would say they are. It was a 60 -40 Virgil

00:27:07.259 --> 00:27:14.660
Ennis with a 5 % extra for the winner. So 105

00:27:14.660 --> 00:27:22.559
% Oscars dealing in big numbers here. Oh, shit.

00:27:22.680 --> 00:27:27.440
Oscar Valdez is a promotional free agent. I know

00:27:27.440 --> 00:27:29.359
the world has been waiting with bated breath

00:27:29.359 --> 00:27:33.819
to hear what he's up to next. Given the way that

00:27:33.819 --> 00:27:36.220
Top Rank is going, yeah, this is a good time

00:27:36.220 --> 00:27:43.000
to get off the fucking ship. Yeah. Yeah, it does

00:27:43.000 --> 00:27:46.900
kind of seem like Top Rank is sinking. I was

00:27:46.900 --> 00:27:51.440
trying to believe, because I like Top Rank. I

00:27:51.440 --> 00:27:56.460
think they do a good job usually, but... All

00:27:56.460 --> 00:27:59.839
good things come to an end, I suppose. So Oscar

00:27:59.839 --> 00:28:02.799
Valdez finding somewhere else to be is probably

00:28:02.799 --> 00:28:07.180
a good move. Do you think top rank dies with

00:28:07.180 --> 00:28:13.180
Bob? I kind of do. I feel like Bob really is

00:28:13.180 --> 00:28:18.019
top rank. Yeah, I think so too. That might be

00:28:18.019 --> 00:28:20.380
part of the problem is nobody wants to sign a

00:28:20.380 --> 00:28:22.960
long -term broadcast deal because Bob's what,

00:28:23.019 --> 00:28:28.359
like 90? something 94 i think yeah and like people

00:28:28.359 --> 00:28:31.380
don't live forever so nobody wants to sign a

00:28:31.380 --> 00:28:34.039
long -term deal with top rank because bob's dying

00:28:34.039 --> 00:28:38.619
soon doesn't matter what he wants to do he's

00:28:38.619 --> 00:28:41.640
dying soon like people don't live more than 100

00:28:41.640 --> 00:28:48.160
years hardly ever well good luck to you oscar

00:28:48.160 --> 00:28:52.160
hope you find what you're looking for I like

00:28:52.160 --> 00:28:56.160
Oscar Valdez. I'm excited to see him. He seems

00:28:56.160 --> 00:28:59.819
like a really good dude. He always does part

00:28:59.819 --> 00:29:03.980
of his build -ups to fights. He always does a

00:29:03.980 --> 00:29:07.119
lot of charity work. So that's really respectable.

00:29:09.579 --> 00:29:13.140
This one, I haven't seen much more information,

00:29:13.319 --> 00:29:17.559
but Fernando Vargas Jr. and Amado Vargas were

00:29:17.559 --> 00:29:20.880
fighting in a hotel lobby. It was pretty funny.

00:29:21.559 --> 00:29:24.339
I thought it was pretty funny. What happened?

00:29:24.460 --> 00:29:28.720
Do you know? I didn't hear what it was about

00:29:28.720 --> 00:29:35.880
or anything, but I saw the video clips. I assume

00:29:35.880 --> 00:29:38.839
it's just brother stuff. Yeah, probably. It's

00:29:38.839 --> 00:29:41.819
only a headline because they're kind of famous.

00:29:42.180 --> 00:29:48.460
Like, brothers fight. Not a surprise. But it

00:29:48.460 --> 00:29:53.390
was... in a hotel lobby in front of lots of people

00:29:53.390 --> 00:29:59.470
man when you wouldn't and they're both professional

00:29:59.470 --> 00:30:03.170
fighters so like do they square up properly and

00:30:03.170 --> 00:30:09.210
kind of like there was a lot of movement and

00:30:09.210 --> 00:30:14.509
nobody landed anything crazy yeah well that i

00:30:14.509 --> 00:30:18.990
saw but then there was just a scrap between brothers

00:30:18.990 --> 00:30:22.950
yeah it's it's only a headline because they're

00:30:22.950 --> 00:30:25.529
professional fighters like it it didn't seem

00:30:25.529 --> 00:30:29.490
crazy but everybody pulled out their phones and

00:30:29.490 --> 00:30:43.829
there's like six different angles of it um hold

00:30:43.829 --> 00:30:47.119
on a sec i pulled up an article let me see really

00:30:47.119 --> 00:30:54.559
quickly if they have a a reason yeah emiliano

00:30:54.559 --> 00:30:58.640
says do i condone my brother's fighting not at

00:30:58.640 --> 00:31:01.880
all the ones pointing fingers forget they have

00:31:01.880 --> 00:31:04.180
family they couldn't even be in the same room

00:31:04.180 --> 00:31:09.700
together that's a direct quote yeah i i don't

00:31:09.700 --> 00:31:15.250
think it was anything super scandalous I think

00:31:15.250 --> 00:31:16.950
it was just brothers got pissed off with each

00:31:16.950 --> 00:31:20.130
other and squared off in a hotel lobby. Yeah,

00:31:20.210 --> 00:31:24.589
must have been serious if they're going to brawl

00:31:24.589 --> 00:31:27.769
in public. Or maybe not. I mean, it's like, I

00:31:27.769 --> 00:31:30.549
got family that I throw hands with over nothing

00:31:30.549 --> 00:31:36.130
because they pissed me off. It's just like, I've

00:31:36.130 --> 00:31:38.210
never heard of them doing something like this

00:31:38.210 --> 00:31:42.049
or even heard rumors of them having problems

00:31:42.049 --> 00:31:46.480
with each other. I don't think this is like they're

00:31:46.480 --> 00:31:48.640
never going to talk again. I think this was brothers

00:31:48.640 --> 00:31:51.619
had a couple extra drinks and gotten an argument

00:31:51.619 --> 00:31:55.140
over something. Yeah, that's my thinking as well.

00:31:55.220 --> 00:32:02.119
Just brothers. Brothers fight. Speaking of fights,

00:32:02.259 --> 00:32:09.380
Callum Smith, David Morrell is for the IBO Interim

00:32:09.380 --> 00:32:16.569
175 title. And it's going to purse bid. Nice.

00:32:18.529 --> 00:32:22.329
I like Callum Smith. I'm excited to see him again.

00:32:22.470 --> 00:32:25.369
He doesn't fight very often anymore. He's at

00:32:25.369 --> 00:32:30.910
the tail end of it. Yeah. I like the fight for

00:32:30.910 --> 00:32:35.150
Morrell too. This is stepping back up into title

00:32:35.150 --> 00:32:38.589
contention. That's good. I have to look at David

00:32:38.589 --> 00:32:43.799
Morrell. I'm not sure which one he is. Ah, yeah,

00:32:43.880 --> 00:32:46.759
yeah. I know this guy. It should be a fun fight,

00:32:46.859 --> 00:32:49.599
actually. I don't know. Callum Smith is definitely

00:32:49.599 --> 00:32:52.200
not what he used to be, but he can still put

00:32:52.200 --> 00:32:58.359
up a good fight. Speaking of putting up good

00:32:58.359 --> 00:33:03.680
fights, Oslis Iglesias has an opponent for the

00:33:03.680 --> 00:33:13.099
IBF 168 -pound title. Pavel Silyagin. Who? Exactly.

00:33:13.099 --> 00:33:17.539
He's like number seven, I think, in the rankings.

00:33:18.579 --> 00:33:21.799
Somewhere in that neighborhood. Is he French?

00:33:22.160 --> 00:33:28.599
No, he's Russian. Ah. Yeah, I don't know this

00:33:28.599 --> 00:33:32.480
man. I have never seen this man in my life. Yeah,

00:33:32.519 --> 00:33:37.000
I haven't either. I expect mostly to run over

00:33:37.000 --> 00:33:39.339
him. That's probably what's going to happen.

00:33:40.379 --> 00:33:45.279
We'll have to do some tape study just to see

00:33:45.279 --> 00:33:50.079
how badly is he going to get beaten. Yeah. It's

00:33:50.079 --> 00:33:54.859
not a question of if. Well, unless, I don't know,

00:33:54.940 --> 00:33:59.480
the stars align and Pavel gets it done. Well,

00:33:59.559 --> 00:34:01.720
that's why I asked if he was French. There's

00:34:01.720 --> 00:34:04.599
been a lot of French offsets lately. That's true.

00:34:07.640 --> 00:34:11.559
Let's see. The Wood -Warrington rematch card

00:34:11.559 --> 00:34:15.159
on February 21st is starting to fill out David

00:34:15.159 --> 00:34:20.380
Allen, Ishmael Davis, and Molly McCann. Nice.

00:34:20.579 --> 00:34:23.579
Are going to be on it. So that's fun. That is

00:34:23.579 --> 00:34:29.000
fun. And Juan Francisco Estrada continues his

00:34:29.000 --> 00:34:31.659
campaign at Bantamweight. He will be fighting.

00:34:31.820 --> 00:34:35.199
Well, he might be fighting. All signs are looking

00:34:35.199 --> 00:34:41.150
good. Tenshin Asakawa in April. I hope Estrada

00:34:41.150 --> 00:34:44.769
chins him. I want that more than fucking anything.

00:34:46.150 --> 00:34:50.110
And he could. Estrada's washed, but he's not

00:34:50.110 --> 00:34:52.630
that washed. Like, Estrada still has... Power's

00:34:52.630 --> 00:34:56.429
the last thing to go, right? Exactly. I would

00:34:56.429 --> 00:35:00.710
love it so much if he just fucking shut Tenshin

00:35:00.710 --> 00:35:04.829
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00:35:04.829 --> 00:35:10.090
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slash mwb. All right. Not a lot to recap, but

00:37:47.360 --> 00:37:51.300
what we do have is kind of interesting. It's

00:37:51.300 --> 00:37:56.860
kind of garbage. Let me see. No limit. No limit

00:37:56.860 --> 00:38:02.619
boxing in the Brisbane Entertainment Center in

00:38:02.619 --> 00:38:07.440
Australia. Looking up only two fights I really

00:38:07.440 --> 00:38:10.559
care about. Liam Wilson continues his campaign

00:38:10.559 --> 00:38:14.900
and he gets a knockout in four over Rodex Piala.

00:38:15.320 --> 00:38:18.539
Who names their kid Rodex? Yeah, I had the same

00:38:18.539 --> 00:38:24.480
reaction when I saw it. He's from the Philippines.

00:38:25.539 --> 00:38:28.500
He got bopped. She was clearly behind. They have

00:38:28.500 --> 00:38:35.559
the strangest names. And Nikita Zoo, no contest

00:38:35.559 --> 00:38:40.219
with Michael Zaraffa. This was fucking ridiculous.

00:38:40.780 --> 00:38:43.260
Yeah, I completely forgot to mention it, but

00:38:43.260 --> 00:38:47.920
we'll have Jacob weighing in on this one in a

00:38:47.920 --> 00:38:55.449
moment. Yeah, Jacob has some thoughts about Australian

00:38:55.449 --> 00:38:58.570
boxing in general. Yeah, thoughts on Liam Wilson,

00:38:58.829 --> 00:39:04.230
Nikita Zu, Jai Obataya, No Limit in general.

00:39:05.070 --> 00:39:10.829
Yeah. Overall, he says everything way better

00:39:10.829 --> 00:39:16.889
than I could. Yeah. I'll wait until we cut to

00:39:16.889 --> 00:39:24.659
that. Fucking golden boy in Palm Desert, California.

00:39:25.860 --> 00:39:32.000
This was a pretty middling card. Let's see. Ruslan

00:39:32.000 --> 00:39:36.300
Abdullaev got a stoppage in five. It looked good

00:39:36.300 --> 00:39:42.619
while doing it. Alexis Rocha dropped out of the

00:39:42.619 --> 00:39:47.239
card and Jordan Panthen stepped up to the main

00:39:47.239 --> 00:39:52.610
event. fought Raul Curiel, Jordan lost a unanimous

00:39:52.610 --> 00:39:56.750
decision. Overall, he made good of his opportunity

00:39:56.750 --> 00:40:03.690
on the bigger stage. For last -minute replacement,

00:40:04.030 --> 00:40:09.510
I thought he did well. Yeah. He was actually

00:40:09.510 --> 00:40:11.670
pretty competitive in the first four or five

00:40:11.670 --> 00:40:16.829
rounds. Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't recommend this

00:40:16.829 --> 00:40:21.610
fight. to go find or anything. But I'd never

00:40:21.610 --> 00:40:25.610
heard of Jordan Panthen and I thought he took

00:40:25.610 --> 00:40:27.869
full advantage of the opportunity he was given.

00:40:28.989 --> 00:40:38.070
Yeah. He wears Apollo Creed style shorts. I didn't

00:40:38.070 --> 00:40:40.730
notice. That's fun. He wears the same ones every

00:40:40.730 --> 00:40:46.389
time. But that's it for the recaps. There will

00:40:46.389 --> 00:40:51.050
be more coming, of course. But, upcoming shit.

00:40:51.150 --> 00:40:56.969
It is a busy, busy weekend. Let's get into it.

00:40:58.489 --> 00:41:02.449
Starting things off really nicely. Friday, January

00:41:02.449 --> 00:41:07.449
30th. ProBox TV at the Live Casino and Hotel

00:41:07.449 --> 00:41:15.639
in Hanover, Maryland. I know... a few of these

00:41:15.639 --> 00:41:20.199
guys by name. The co -main is going to be a banger.

00:41:20.960 --> 00:41:25.480
100%. Suleiman Sagawa is fighting Rene Palacios

00:41:25.480 --> 00:41:29.400
in a featherweight fight. I don't know who Rene

00:41:29.400 --> 00:41:32.980
Palacios is, but he better be prepared for a

00:41:32.980 --> 00:41:40.780
large amount of punches. Suleiman Sagawa is a

00:41:40.780 --> 00:41:46.929
bit of a machine. He's always fun. Yeah. Other

00:41:46.929 --> 00:41:50.570
than Sagawa, I don't really recognize anyone

00:41:50.570 --> 00:41:53.409
else that much, but it doesn't really matter

00:41:53.409 --> 00:41:57.250
because with Probox, you're getting really evenly

00:41:57.250 --> 00:42:01.829
matched fights. Yeah. Probox is always entertaining.

00:42:03.570 --> 00:42:08.909
Josh's refrain, Probox good. All right. Yeah.

00:42:10.369 --> 00:42:14.980
Saturday. January 31st. These are not in order

00:42:14.980 --> 00:42:20.619
of time. They are in order of importance. So,

00:42:20.659 --> 00:42:27.619
first off, primetime boxing on DAZN in Kolding,

00:42:27.739 --> 00:42:31.760
Denmark. Who the fuck are these people? Yeah.

00:42:32.800 --> 00:42:36.019
Dina Thorslund is a name. Yeah, Dina Thorslund

00:42:36.019 --> 00:42:39.199
is fighting for the interim WBC featherweight

00:42:39.199 --> 00:42:43.050
title. against Lila Furtado. Don't really know

00:42:43.050 --> 00:42:47.469
who that is, but Dina, not bad. Not a bad watch.

00:42:48.610 --> 00:42:51.590
In the main event, Jacob Bank will be fighting

00:42:51.590 --> 00:42:57.309
William Skull. And that's why we're even paying

00:42:57.309 --> 00:43:01.909
attention to this card. I mean, I'm more excited

00:43:01.909 --> 00:43:05.989
about Dina Thorsland than William Skull. Yeah,

00:43:06.010 --> 00:43:10.070
that's probably a good one. Good estimation there.

00:43:11.269 --> 00:43:15.969
Moving on. Boxer. This will be on BBC2. How you

00:43:15.969 --> 00:43:23.190
watch it outside of the UK. Yes. Come to Discord.

00:43:23.369 --> 00:43:26.309
We'll probably hook you up. At the Copper Box

00:43:26.309 --> 00:43:32.829
Arena. Adam Azeem is fighting Gustavo Lemos.

00:43:34.050 --> 00:43:40.659
That is a 140 pound fight. Also, Francesca Hennessy.

00:43:41.179 --> 00:43:43.619
I have not seen Hennessy as a last name. That's

00:43:43.619 --> 00:43:47.400
pretty fun. Oh, there used to be this promotion

00:43:47.400 --> 00:43:52.119
in the UK. The guy who ran it or owned it or

00:43:52.119 --> 00:43:58.380
whatever, his name was Mick Hennessy. Nice. Moving

00:43:58.380 --> 00:44:02.659
on. Matchroom on DAZN at the Newcastle Arena.

00:44:04.179 --> 00:44:11.210
We have... Just, like, of who really matters,

00:44:11.369 --> 00:44:15.550
Josh Padley versus, holy shit, there are way

00:44:15.550 --> 00:44:21.449
too many vowels in a row here. Jawad? Jawad,

00:44:21.469 --> 00:44:26.190
I think it is. Belmedy? No idea. Four vowels

00:44:26.190 --> 00:44:31.489
is too many vowels. Yes, it is. In the main,

00:44:32.130 --> 00:44:37.460
Bakram Murtazaliev is defending his IBF. 154

00:44:37.460 --> 00:44:43.000
title against Josh Kelly. That one might actually

00:44:43.000 --> 00:44:47.920
be like low -key fun, I think. Yes, Josh Kelly

00:44:47.920 --> 00:44:53.619
does come to Rumble. And Mortazaliev doesn't

00:44:53.619 --> 00:45:00.739
not come to Rumble. Yeah, it should be a good

00:45:00.739 --> 00:45:04.320
fight. Of the three, those three cards that we

00:45:04.320 --> 00:45:06.699
just... mentioned, those are going to be happening

00:45:06.699 --> 00:45:11.579
around midday on the west coast of the US. So,

00:45:11.619 --> 00:45:15.159
yeah. Of the three, I would say the Matchroom

00:45:15.159 --> 00:45:19.099
card is probably the one worth watching. It's

00:45:19.099 --> 00:45:25.860
also the easiest to find. Yes. Probably. William

00:45:25.860 --> 00:45:32.920
Skoll will be on DAZN. So that's fun. Is it?

00:45:37.400 --> 00:45:45.420
Moving to top rank in Puerto Rico. This one is

00:45:45.420 --> 00:45:50.019
going to be on the like Pluto TV, Tubi, Fubo,

00:45:50.199 --> 00:45:54.260
all those funky ass names. The free services.

00:45:54.619 --> 00:45:57.900
Top rank is going to be on one of those. Pick

00:45:57.900 --> 00:46:05.900
your favorite. Not a bad card. Let's see. Juanma

00:46:05.900 --> 00:46:09.860
Juanita Lopez is going to be on here fighting

00:46:09.860 --> 00:46:20.340
Connor Goad. I think it is. Giovanni Santillan

00:46:20.340 --> 00:46:25.579
versus Courtney Pennington. Oh, shit. Giovanni's

00:46:25.579 --> 00:46:32.019
moved up to 154. So that's fun. Nice. Rohan Polanco.

00:46:32.599 --> 00:46:35.179
He's fighting Christian Gomez. It's a welterweight

00:46:35.179 --> 00:46:37.900
fight. Polanco has some pretty good power, so

00:46:37.900 --> 00:46:45.760
it should be fun. And in the main event, WBO

00:46:45.760 --> 00:46:51.659
champ Xander Zayas versus WBA champ Abbas Baru.

00:46:53.559 --> 00:46:56.480
I don't think it's going to happen, but I want

00:46:56.480 --> 00:46:59.960
Baru to pull off the upset so badly. I would

00:46:59.960 --> 00:47:06.989
very much enjoy. I don't know why I just don't

00:47:06.989 --> 00:47:10.329
like Xander Zayas I think it's especially now

00:47:10.329 --> 00:47:14.550
that he has gone full grease in his look like

00:47:14.550 --> 00:47:17.530
have you noticed he greases his hair he's got

00:47:17.530 --> 00:47:21.230
the greasy mustache and the weird Zayas has gone

00:47:21.230 --> 00:47:26.809
full just fuckboy in his styling and I am against

00:47:26.809 --> 00:47:34.840
it I want Abbas Beru to win so badly Oh, I fear

00:47:34.840 --> 00:47:38.039
this is going to be... I think Zaius is going

00:47:38.039 --> 00:47:41.539
to be able to handle Beru as much as I would

00:47:41.539 --> 00:47:44.420
prefer Beru to win. Because it would be funnier.

00:47:47.860 --> 00:47:54.679
Yeah. Full grease. I thought you meant grease

00:47:54.679 --> 00:47:59.780
like the movie. Kind of. Yeah, that kind of fits.

00:48:00.910 --> 00:48:05.090
Like, the hair has greased the movie, for sure.

00:48:05.269 --> 00:48:09.690
But he's also got the just fucking... I like

00:48:09.690 --> 00:48:15.250
facial hair, but his is full, like, telenovela

00:48:15.250 --> 00:48:19.150
-style facial hair. It's not good. His little

00:48:19.150 --> 00:48:21.929
mustache says, yeah, I've been nude on camera.

00:48:22.090 --> 00:48:27.969
What of it? Yeah. You want to make a film? But

00:48:27.969 --> 00:48:32.510
yeah, that's the top -ranked card. And on the

00:48:32.510 --> 00:48:39.590
zone, ring six, Madison Square Garden. This card

00:48:39.590 --> 00:48:45.090
is top to bottom pretty damn good. Yeah, this

00:48:45.090 --> 00:48:47.570
one's worth the pay -per -view money, I think.

00:48:49.269 --> 00:48:56.269
Gerald Miller versus Kingsley Ibe. I don't know

00:48:56.269 --> 00:49:01.449
who Ibe is. I don't either. His nickname is the

00:49:01.449 --> 00:49:08.550
Black Lion. That's kind of hard. Ziad Almayouf

00:49:08.550 --> 00:49:15.869
versus Kevin Castillo. Ziad, he's a Saudi guy.

00:49:17.590 --> 00:49:22.769
He's a plant on all of the ring cards. But he's

00:49:22.769 --> 00:49:30.030
not bad. Yeah, he's fighting some unknown Ecuadorian?

00:49:31.030 --> 00:49:34.429
So his birthplace is Ecuador, his nationality

00:49:34.429 --> 00:49:38.710
is Spain, and his residence is Florida on BoxRec.

00:49:38.929 --> 00:49:46.250
Wonderful. Man of the world. The vacant WBC featherweight

00:49:46.250 --> 00:49:49.949
title, Bruce Carrington versus Carlos Castro.

00:49:51.010 --> 00:49:55.409
I know Carlos Castro is up in the rankings for

00:49:55.409 --> 00:49:57.750
this. I think he's like number two or three.

00:50:00.480 --> 00:50:03.739
I love Castro. I've been following him since

00:50:03.739 --> 00:50:08.699
he was on my regional scene. He's local to me,

00:50:08.820 --> 00:50:12.380
and he's sorry, buddy. I don't think he should

00:50:12.380 --> 00:50:15.239
be in the same ring as Bruce Carrington. Yeah,

00:50:15.280 --> 00:50:18.920
he loses every time he steps up. It's unfortunate.

00:50:20.480 --> 00:50:22.900
I would love to see Carlos Castro pull the upset

00:50:22.900 --> 00:50:26.920
here. It would be way too fucking funny. For

00:50:26.920 --> 00:50:33.400
Bruce Carrington to lose. But yeah. I fear that's

00:50:33.400 --> 00:50:34.099
not going to happen. I don't see it happening.

00:50:34.320 --> 00:50:39.239
Probably not. Keyshawn Davis is moving up to

00:50:39.239 --> 00:50:47.159
140. He will be fighting Jermaine Ortiz. Yeah.

00:50:47.500 --> 00:50:53.000
Hopefully Keyshawn can avoid bullshit this time.

00:50:54.000 --> 00:50:56.760
Yeah. I wonder if they're going to jump. Jermaine

00:50:56.760 --> 00:51:02.659
Ortiz afterwards. Yeah. I mean, he should be

00:51:02.659 --> 00:51:08.219
able to make weight, hopefully. Yeah, he made

00:51:08.219 --> 00:51:12.980
weight in his last fight. He made 140 in his

00:51:12.980 --> 00:51:22.960
last fight, so it shouldn't be hard. Carlos Adamas,

00:51:23.059 --> 00:51:29.159
DWBC. Middleweight champion versus Austin Williams.

00:51:30.199 --> 00:51:34.079
Please tell me he went back to ammo. Yeah, he

00:51:34.079 --> 00:51:38.920
is. Well, BoxRec says he is. It's such a better

00:51:38.920 --> 00:51:48.760
nickname. Yeah. In the main event, WBO 140 champ

00:51:48.760 --> 00:51:54.670
Teofimo Lopez versus Shakur Stevenson. who holds

00:51:54.670 --> 00:52:00.769
the title at 135. What's your official prediction

00:52:00.769 --> 00:52:06.510
for this one, Leo? My official prediction...

00:52:06.510 --> 00:52:17.789
I'm thinking that the prospect of fighting Shakur

00:52:17.789 --> 00:52:21.590
Stevenson is going to bring the best out of Teofimo.

00:52:22.989 --> 00:52:25.809
I think he's going to show up for this one. The

00:52:25.809 --> 00:52:27.769
good version of Teofimo is going to show up for

00:52:27.769 --> 00:52:33.269
this one. It's just difficult because Shakur

00:52:33.269 --> 00:52:39.309
is a fucking defensive wizard. He really is.

00:52:40.630 --> 00:52:45.789
If Zapata couldn't overwhelm him, I really don't

00:52:45.789 --> 00:52:52.920
see Teofimo doing it. I would like to see Tio

00:52:52.920 --> 00:52:55.480
win, but I agree. I think Shakur is going to

00:52:55.480 --> 00:53:03.119
just make Tio look foolish. As he does. And I

00:53:03.119 --> 00:53:06.139
do think the best Tio is going to show up and

00:53:06.139 --> 00:53:10.820
we will have no excuses to defend him. Yeah,

00:53:10.860 --> 00:53:14.739
that would... If he loses with no excuses, then

00:53:14.739 --> 00:53:18.679
I think it's better. Because he did his best.

00:53:19.829 --> 00:53:23.190
I agree, I just mean, I think this time we'll

00:53:23.190 --> 00:53:26.969
get good Tio, we'll show up, and it's just not

00:53:26.969 --> 00:53:29.489
going to be enough. Yeah, that's exactly how

00:53:29.489 --> 00:53:40.090
I feel about it. Still, clowns like Tio Fimo

00:53:40.090 --> 00:53:44.030
I think are good for the sport. To an extent.

00:53:45.050 --> 00:53:48.929
To an extent. I don't know, Tio makes me sad.

00:53:49.309 --> 00:53:53.130
I just really feel bad for him. I feel like he's

00:53:53.130 --> 00:53:57.150
been mistreated by his dad his whole life, and

00:53:57.150 --> 00:54:01.909
it's really fucked with him. I really would like

00:54:01.909 --> 00:54:04.469
to, if I could have a chance to have a conversation

00:54:04.469 --> 00:54:07.409
with him, I would have in my hand a pill and

00:54:07.409 --> 00:54:11.809
say, dude, Zoloft, alright? Please take this.

00:54:11.949 --> 00:54:15.829
It'll take the edge off, I promise. Yeah. Yeah,

00:54:15.869 --> 00:54:19.130
Teal makes me sad. I know he said some horrendous

00:54:19.130 --> 00:54:22.929
stuff and things, and I get flack for still cheering

00:54:22.929 --> 00:54:26.989
for him, but I don't know. Tio makes me sad,

00:54:27.090 --> 00:54:31.849
and I would like to see him do well. Yeah. Yeah,

00:54:31.889 --> 00:54:35.590
I'd like for him to do better in his life. In

00:54:35.590 --> 00:54:39.650
general. Yeah. Not specifically boxing. I would

00:54:39.650 --> 00:54:47.070
just like Tio to do well. Yes. But that's it

00:54:47.070 --> 00:54:52.010
for the very busy Saturday. And so we started

00:54:52.010 --> 00:54:55.690
off with Probox and we're finishing with fucking

00:54:55.690 --> 00:55:04.389
Zufa. Sunday, February 1st at the Meta Apex on

00:55:04.389 --> 00:55:11.170
Paramount+. I would highly encourage people to

00:55:11.170 --> 00:55:15.159
find an alternative way to watch this. Because

00:55:15.159 --> 00:55:20.880
fuck Zufa? Exactly. This card is actually not

00:55:20.880 --> 00:55:24.940
bad. Of the three that we have confirmed right

00:55:24.940 --> 00:55:33.320
now. So, starting off is Hot Rod Kalachik versus

00:55:33.320 --> 00:55:37.119
Oleksandr Vozdik. It's a light heavyweight fight.

00:55:38.019 --> 00:55:42.019
Probably going to be 10 rounds, but... That one

00:55:42.019 --> 00:55:45.119
has potential to be very fun. Yeah. That could

00:55:45.119 --> 00:55:48.179
be a pretty good fight. Vozdik has proved he's

00:55:48.179 --> 00:55:53.619
durable. Kalajic is fun. Should be a good time.

00:55:53.739 --> 00:55:58.840
Pro box. Pro box good. Serhey Bohachuk versus

00:55:58.840 --> 00:56:05.039
Radza Butaev. Bohachuk being on a Zufa card makes

00:56:05.039 --> 00:56:10.559
me sad. He's promoted by 360, so... It makes

00:56:10.559 --> 00:56:13.960
perfect sense, but it makes me sad. Yeah, I wish

00:56:13.960 --> 00:56:18.010
that... Bohochuk went elsewhere instead of ending

00:56:18.010 --> 00:56:27.349
up here. Butaev isn't terrible. He cut his teeth

00:56:27.349 --> 00:56:31.409
at 147. Moving up to 154 makes sense because

00:56:31.409 --> 00:56:34.250
he's been inactive for the past three years.

00:56:34.530 --> 00:56:36.909
I think he's fought once in the last three years.

00:56:39.010 --> 00:56:43.360
Overall... I think the inactivity is going to

00:56:43.360 --> 00:56:48.360
be a problem for Butaev, but not a bad name for

00:56:48.360 --> 00:56:53.280
Zufa to pick up. He's a good competitor, good

00:56:53.280 --> 00:57:01.280
contender. Ah, shit. Rayo Valenzuela versus Diego

00:57:01.280 --> 00:57:07.719
Torres. I like Rayo. I'll have to tune in for

00:57:07.719 --> 00:57:11.170
him. Yeah, I don't know who Diego Torres is.

00:57:14.210 --> 00:57:20.650
So, yeah. Can't really tell you much. No, I don't

00:57:20.650 --> 00:57:24.409
recognize very many of the names on his box rec

00:57:24.409 --> 00:57:30.949
either. He lost to Murataya. Looks like the rest

00:57:30.949 --> 00:57:35.610
of his fights were all in Mexico. Well, that's

00:57:35.610 --> 00:57:39.329
how we round out the weekend. It makes me sad

00:57:39.329 --> 00:57:42.909
that Zufa's actually putting on good cards, kind

00:57:42.909 --> 00:57:47.469
of. Yeah, this is... These three, that's a decent

00:57:47.469 --> 00:57:52.909
offering. Yeah. If it wasn't Zufa, I'd be excited

00:57:52.909 --> 00:57:58.849
for it. Yes. But because it's Zufa... Fuck Dana

00:57:58.849 --> 00:58:05.150
White. Alternative methods. Alright, let me...

00:58:05.800 --> 00:58:08.940
I'm going to cut in the conversation with Jacob

00:58:08.940 --> 00:58:14.260
Wright. All right. Holy shit. It's a special

00:58:14.260 --> 00:58:18.500
edition of Boxing Before Dark. Joined by Jacob

00:58:18.500 --> 00:58:23.159
out of Australia. How goes it? Hello. How's it?

00:58:23.219 --> 00:58:25.980
How's it? Pretty good, mate. I think we're just

00:58:25.980 --> 00:58:30.159
reeling off the Zarafa versus Zoo event from

00:58:30.159 --> 00:58:33.699
last night. So certainly an interesting day.

00:58:34.300 --> 00:58:36.420
for the country in boxing with some other pretty

00:58:36.420 --> 00:58:40.980
recent news as well. Before we talk about that

00:58:40.980 --> 00:58:45.199
stuff, I did want to get your opinion on... It

00:58:45.199 --> 00:58:49.400
was an American conference, but it was the National

00:58:49.400 --> 00:58:52.639
Combat Sports Summit. And there were some pretty

00:58:52.639 --> 00:58:58.079
big changes that the Association of Boxing Commissions

00:58:58.079 --> 00:59:01.619
in the U .S., what they put together. One of

00:59:01.619 --> 00:59:05.250
the key ones that I liked, The push to eliminate

00:59:05.250 --> 00:59:14.010
10 -10 rounds. What do you think? Well, it depends

00:59:14.010 --> 00:59:17.210
on if they're going to have an all -back criteria

00:59:17.210 --> 00:59:20.289
for how they should judge a round if it is a

00:59:20.289 --> 00:59:23.010
10 -10. Because different judges are going to

00:59:23.010 --> 00:59:25.230
value different things. You know, you might have

00:59:25.230 --> 00:59:28.010
someone who's prioritizing pure aggression in

00:59:28.010 --> 00:59:30.570
the round. You might have someone who's just

00:59:30.570 --> 00:59:34.309
prioritizing overall cleanliness. If you're going

00:59:34.309 --> 00:59:36.429
to eliminate 10 -10 rounds when it's really,

00:59:36.510 --> 00:59:39.230
really close, you need to understand what the

00:59:39.230 --> 00:59:42.929
judge is going to base it off because I think

00:59:42.929 --> 00:59:45.050
right now there's a lot of contentiousness about,

00:59:45.190 --> 00:59:48.269
you know, what does a 10 -9 round actually look

00:59:48.269 --> 00:59:50.210
like? Because to be honest, most people don't

00:59:50.210 --> 00:59:52.269
even agree on that at the moment, right? Like,

00:59:52.269 --> 00:59:55.909
there's a lot of people where, even in a fight

00:59:55.909 --> 00:59:57.789
where, in my opinion, I thought it was so obvious,

00:59:57.849 --> 01:00:00.110
like Canelo versus Crawford, but that was just...

01:00:00.360 --> 01:00:02.280
In my opinion, at the very end, that was just

01:00:02.280 --> 01:00:05.559
a beatdown. That was just pure class and quality.

01:00:05.920 --> 01:00:08.039
People were still arguing that Canelo was the

01:00:08.039 --> 01:00:11.639
aggressor there. So I think if they go ahead

01:00:11.639 --> 01:00:14.360
with that, I'd like to see some clarity about

01:00:14.360 --> 01:00:19.960
what they're going to define as the main factors

01:00:19.960 --> 01:00:24.380
in a 10 -9 round going forward. Because there's

01:00:24.380 --> 01:00:28.099
a lot of lacking of clarity there. Like in some

01:00:28.099 --> 01:00:30.099
areas, you know exactly what they're looking

01:00:30.099 --> 01:00:32.300
for, right? Like if we're in the amateurs, especially

01:00:32.300 --> 01:00:34.599
certain countries, judges will value certain

01:00:34.599 --> 01:00:37.980
things more than others. So if they do set that

01:00:37.980 --> 01:00:40.019
forward, I want to see if they have any more

01:00:40.019 --> 01:00:42.420
that they want to say on what the judges will

01:00:42.420 --> 01:00:44.559
be instructed to do in the event that they do

01:00:44.559 --> 01:00:49.159
believe there is a 10 -10 route. And another

01:00:49.159 --> 01:00:52.000
one, this one I did not care for quite as much.

01:00:52.139 --> 01:00:56.119
The Association of Boxing Commissions wants...

01:00:56.429 --> 01:00:59.869
the judges to more liberally award 10 -8 rounds

01:00:59.869 --> 01:01:03.449
in cases when a fighter decisively wins a round?

01:01:04.670 --> 01:01:09.289
Yeah. This one needs a lot more clarification,

01:01:09.409 --> 01:01:13.110
I think. Oh, absolutely. Because what do you,

01:01:13.250 --> 01:01:16.590
like... What does decisively wins a round? What

01:01:16.590 --> 01:01:19.989
does that even mean? Well, yeah, what's the threshold?

01:01:20.110 --> 01:01:22.730
Because otherwise, something like, in my opinion,

01:01:22.889 --> 01:01:25.920
Hitchens vs. Kambosos would have been... 10 -8

01:01:25.920 --> 01:01:29.199
in nearly every round, you know? Like, there's

01:01:29.199 --> 01:01:30.980
a lot of fights that are like that, where a guy

01:01:30.980 --> 01:01:32.699
just clearly looks like they're in a class above,

01:01:32.960 --> 01:01:37.260
but it also raises the question of, are they

01:01:37.260 --> 01:01:41.219
going to devalue knockdowns in other areas of

01:01:41.219 --> 01:01:44.019
the sport as well? Which, if they go in that

01:01:44.019 --> 01:01:46.059
direction, I actually won't be overly opposed

01:01:46.059 --> 01:01:48.500
to it, in terms of preserving the future of the

01:01:48.500 --> 01:01:51.599
sport, but I think it's one of those things where

01:01:51.599 --> 01:01:53.679
it's like, who's making the call to do that?

01:01:55.239 --> 01:01:57.380
That's going to take a lot of trial and error.

01:01:58.800 --> 01:02:02.760
I think that is just super ripe for corruption.

01:02:03.539 --> 01:02:10.000
Yeah, exactly. I don't like the more 10 -8 rounds.

01:02:10.519 --> 01:02:13.400
I think even if they're giving more, they need

01:02:13.400 --> 01:02:18.639
to be pretty sparse with them. They need to be

01:02:18.639 --> 01:02:22.460
earned. Because when I heard that, my first thought

01:02:22.460 --> 01:02:26.400
was, okay, so... What happens, because we went

01:02:26.400 --> 01:02:29.039
back to the criteria where things were, you know,

01:02:29.039 --> 01:02:30.699
different people looking at things differently.

01:02:31.340 --> 01:02:36.860
If a guy is like, take a pitbull cruise type

01:02:36.860 --> 01:02:39.380
fighter, for example, you know, constantly pressuring,

01:02:39.440 --> 01:02:41.940
pushing up against the ropes, trying to cut the

01:02:41.940 --> 01:02:44.920
ring off. If you have someone who values aggression

01:02:44.920 --> 01:02:47.039
more than cleanliness and they go in the direction

01:02:47.039 --> 01:02:51.559
of seeing something like that is what makes up

01:02:51.559 --> 01:02:54.719
a 10 -8 round. And then you get to the end of

01:02:54.719 --> 01:02:57.579
the round and then you realize, oh, we actually

01:02:57.579 --> 01:03:00.800
didn't land that many punches. How are those

01:03:00.800 --> 01:03:02.559
sorts of discrepancies going to be addressed?

01:03:03.480 --> 01:03:06.800
Because, you know, if we can't, like I said,

01:03:06.820 --> 01:03:08.380
if we can't agree most of the time on what a

01:03:08.380 --> 01:03:11.139
10 -9 round is, because there's a lot of people

01:03:11.139 --> 01:03:13.380
who, you know, will be in boxing and they go,

01:03:13.460 --> 01:03:14.860
oh, yeah, they just want cleanliness of work.

01:03:14.940 --> 01:03:18.000
Other people are going to go, oh, but what about

01:03:18.000 --> 01:03:19.800
the aggression? What about bringing the fight

01:03:19.800 --> 01:03:24.690
to them, pushing forward? If you then sort of

01:03:24.690 --> 01:03:27.690
up the ante on that, I think that is a good point

01:03:27.690 --> 01:03:29.170
for corruption. Because let's say you get to

01:03:29.170 --> 01:03:30.730
the championship rounds of the fight, right?

01:03:31.070 --> 01:03:33.469
Look at something like B -Ball vs. Better BF.

01:03:33.590 --> 01:03:37.289
That last, you know, 9 to 12 stretch of rounds.

01:03:37.750 --> 01:03:40.630
That 10 -8 could absolutely change everything.

01:03:41.369 --> 01:03:44.730
And I like the idea of one good round being able

01:03:44.730 --> 01:03:46.409
to change the fight, but I also don't because

01:03:46.409 --> 01:03:49.309
it's going to be so subjective. Like, at what

01:03:49.309 --> 01:03:53.760
point... does a 10 -8 round become just as good

01:03:53.760 --> 01:03:56.820
or even better than knocking someone down? Because

01:03:56.820 --> 01:03:58.300
I think there's some examples where it makes

01:03:58.300 --> 01:04:00.440
sense to me. Like, for example, some of those

01:04:00.440 --> 01:04:02.780
rounds in that Stevenson versus a Theta fight,

01:04:02.940 --> 01:04:07.559
I thought I would understand. Because even though

01:04:07.559 --> 01:04:10.099
it wasn't knocking him out, he's completely outclassing

01:04:10.099 --> 01:04:12.360
him. But if it's anything less than that and

01:04:12.360 --> 01:04:14.199
he gets given a 10 -8, that is going to be a

01:04:14.199 --> 01:04:17.679
complete disaster. I want to see them add something

01:04:17.679 --> 01:04:22.679
about, like, one fighter being hurt like if you

01:04:22.679 --> 01:04:26.239
really really buzz somebody and outbox them that

01:04:26.239 --> 01:04:29.940
round i can see it being a 10 -8 like if they're

01:04:29.940 --> 01:04:33.579
wobbly but don't go down but generally i don't

01:04:33.579 --> 01:04:40.000
think many rounds are 10 -8s no not at all yeah

01:04:40.000 --> 01:04:43.400
it's and if any of them are they're all later

01:04:43.400 --> 01:04:45.179
rounds in the fights too when there's a complete

01:04:45.179 --> 01:04:48.599
difference in their levels of energy and The

01:04:48.599 --> 01:04:52.800
problem is that you're asking for those 10 -8

01:04:52.800 --> 01:04:54.860
rounds to bring the biggest score discrepancies

01:04:54.860 --> 01:04:57.239
when they're most likely to happen at the very

01:04:57.239 --> 01:04:59.800
end, which is conversely when they're most likely

01:04:59.800 --> 01:05:04.880
to change the result of a fight. Yeah, I don't

01:05:04.880 --> 01:05:09.699
like the push for 10 -8s. Not at all. I do like

01:05:09.699 --> 01:05:13.269
getting rid of 10 -10 rounds, but I... pointed

01:05:13.269 --> 01:05:16.190
this out to Leo before. I don't think that's

01:05:16.190 --> 01:05:19.849
a problem in America anyways. I think this was

01:05:19.849 --> 01:05:24.849
a very... Britain has a lot of 10 -10s. I think

01:05:24.849 --> 01:05:28.250
this was the Americans being like, come on, England,

01:05:28.369 --> 01:05:33.250
get your shit together. Like... I can't complain

01:05:33.250 --> 01:05:46.730
about that. And the last bit... Jack Reese, the

01:05:46.730 --> 01:05:51.989
referee, former referee, was like the head speaker

01:05:51.989 --> 01:05:57.130
of the conference. His words, we've got to get

01:05:57.130 --> 01:05:59.110
them out of there when they are no longer competitive.

01:05:59.869 --> 01:06:04.389
Activity does not mean competitiveness. So they're

01:06:04.389 --> 01:06:06.929
talking about pulling the plug a little bit quicker.

01:06:09.090 --> 01:06:12.909
I'm very happy to hear that. I'm actually very

01:06:12.909 --> 01:06:14.809
happy to hear that because I understand that

01:06:14.809 --> 01:06:18.650
it's a sport with the ethos of being a fighter

01:06:18.650 --> 01:06:22.369
who doesn't go down at its core but in that same

01:06:22.369 --> 01:06:24.769
vein we can't do that forever not when we're

01:06:24.769 --> 01:06:27.710
learning each and every day what we are currently

01:06:27.710 --> 01:06:32.150
learning about brain health and if we want to

01:06:32.150 --> 01:06:34.889
see this sport continue there's going to be regulatory

01:06:34.889 --> 01:06:39.920
pressures in that direction and I think The next

01:06:39.920 --> 01:06:42.400
concern I would have, though, is what happens

01:06:42.400 --> 01:06:45.380
when someone is competitive, but they're not,

01:06:45.579 --> 01:06:48.940
they're also not completely healthy when they're

01:06:48.940 --> 01:06:51.719
in there. Because I think back to the Shigeyoka

01:06:51.719 --> 01:06:55.760
fight, where he, and I think Shan might remember

01:06:55.760 --> 01:06:58.340
this, but in my opinion, he looked very competitive

01:06:58.340 --> 01:07:01.260
towards the end. Like, he was boxing, he was

01:07:01.260 --> 01:07:05.199
boxing really well. But there obviously needed

01:07:05.199 --> 01:07:08.539
to be some sort of other ways of checking, because

01:07:09.119 --> 01:07:10.880
People can just go through anything with adrenaline.

01:07:12.119 --> 01:07:14.900
And I like the idea of getting guys out there

01:07:14.900 --> 01:07:17.480
when they're really hurt. You know, there's going

01:07:17.480 --> 01:07:19.219
to be a lot of people that complain about early

01:07:19.219 --> 01:07:21.139
stoppages, but the people that complain about

01:07:21.139 --> 01:07:23.440
them, they're not the people that has to face

01:07:23.440 --> 01:07:27.880
the consequences of a late stoppage. Yeah. I

01:07:27.880 --> 01:07:31.800
think the kind of most famous two Japanese ones

01:07:31.800 --> 01:07:35.900
lately would be Anaguchi and Shigeoka. And honestly,

01:07:36.099 --> 01:07:38.900
I don't think this change with quotes around

01:07:38.900 --> 01:07:42.059
it would help them anyways. They both looked

01:07:42.059 --> 01:07:47.619
competitive. They looked very good. Yeah. But

01:07:47.619 --> 01:07:55.280
it's not going to stop everything. No. But I'm

01:07:55.280 --> 01:07:58.239
worried that they're going to overcorrect, and

01:07:58.239 --> 01:08:00.000
we're going to get a bunch of, like, bullshit

01:08:00.000 --> 01:08:07.460
British stoppages. Like, I agree protecting the

01:08:07.460 --> 01:08:09.400
fighters is the most important, but there's going

01:08:09.400 --> 01:08:13.000
to be some big controversies. Like, even the

01:08:13.000 --> 01:08:19.739
Parker stoppage. That was a bad stoppage. that

01:08:19.739 --> 01:08:22.399
is one that a lot of people did raise concern

01:08:22.399 --> 01:08:24.859
about i think in parker's circumstance too where

01:08:24.859 --> 01:08:28.060
he has a history of being dropped and coming

01:08:28.060 --> 01:08:30.260
back to win those fights as well like against

01:08:30.260 --> 01:08:35.079
his arm yeah well and that isn't even the most

01:08:35.079 --> 01:08:39.220
hurt he was in that fight and he landed the last

01:08:39.220 --> 01:08:44.159
two punches that landed like i don't know i'm

01:08:44.159 --> 01:08:46.439
on the fence with this one i do want to protect

01:08:46.439 --> 01:08:51.260
the fighters but i also don't want referees deciding

01:08:51.260 --> 01:08:57.760
the outcomes of fights yeah look at the end of

01:08:57.760 --> 01:09:02.300
the day traders and doctors need to be able to

01:09:02.300 --> 01:09:05.619
have a bit more balls in these situations because

01:09:05.619 --> 01:09:08.119
nobody ever wants to be the person to tell their

01:09:08.119 --> 01:09:12.300
own fighter that's enough but we need to have

01:09:12.300 --> 01:09:14.260
a culture where that is something that happens

01:09:14.260 --> 01:09:18.760
and i think part of that also comes down to and

01:09:18.760 --> 01:09:21.199
this is probably the one area where we can learn

01:09:21.199 --> 01:09:25.939
from the ufc is that we need to stop prioritizing

01:09:25.939 --> 01:09:29.680
that on the record you know and that's that's

01:09:29.680 --> 01:09:31.960
less just the promoters and everything but it

01:09:31.960 --> 01:09:34.960
needs to be on the fan side as well where when

01:09:34.960 --> 01:09:37.140
we look at a guy and they get a loss that they

01:09:37.140 --> 01:09:41.000
don't need to start suing people and doing everything

01:09:41.000 --> 01:09:44.079
to try and keep that one off their record because

01:09:44.970 --> 01:09:48.189
that ups the ante so much in those situations

01:09:48.189 --> 01:09:51.829
where some guys should be out there but losing

01:09:51.829 --> 01:09:56.470
is it's it's considered a sin really in the realm

01:09:56.470 --> 01:10:00.630
of boxing which you know i mean it's crazy because

01:10:00.630 --> 01:10:02.789
you think about any other sport right it's like

01:10:02.789 --> 01:10:06.729
man you if you lose 12 games in an nba season

01:10:06.729 --> 01:10:08.569
you're considered one of the greatest teams of

01:10:08.569 --> 01:10:12.640
all time If you lose one fight in boxing, for

01:10:12.640 --> 01:10:15.020
a lot of guys, you are wiped out of any all -time

01:10:15.020 --> 01:10:16.779
great discussions or pound -for -pound discussions

01:10:16.779 --> 01:10:22.239
immediately. Yeah, that's crazy. But I always

01:10:22.239 --> 01:10:24.720
like fighters that tend to get losses anyways.

01:10:26.439 --> 01:10:31.399
And that's it. We need to start it from that,

01:10:31.500 --> 01:10:35.239
because then we can create a culture where coaches

01:10:35.239 --> 01:10:38.380
understand that they're able to... pull a guy

01:10:38.380 --> 01:10:41.300
out and they can go right we'll come back to

01:10:41.300 --> 01:10:44.760
him next time you know because that's gonna put

01:10:44.760 --> 01:10:47.699
us in a position where not only do we get to

01:10:47.699 --> 01:10:50.199
see more great fights but we also aren't gonna

01:10:50.199 --> 01:10:57.180
have levels where it's like if you don't do something

01:10:57.180 --> 01:10:59.600
that you don't really need to do in terms of

01:10:59.600 --> 01:11:02.560
putting your brain health at risk that it's not

01:11:02.560 --> 01:11:05.819
going to cost you everything because That's very

01:11:05.819 --> 01:11:07.720
much, you know, it's the winner takes it all.

01:11:08.119 --> 01:11:11.800
Boxing, that's how it is. But there's also other

01:11:11.800 --> 01:11:14.520
ways to go about that culture if we're looking

01:11:14.520 --> 01:11:19.420
at other sports. I think if we move to a world

01:11:19.420 --> 01:11:22.439
where we start looking at things like title defenses

01:11:22.439 --> 01:11:26.340
better than your overall record, that's when

01:11:26.340 --> 01:11:28.319
we'll get there. But then that's a whole other

01:11:28.319 --> 01:11:31.920
conversation about, you know, what are we doing

01:11:31.920 --> 01:11:34.359
to value a title? Is it actually worth holding

01:11:34.359 --> 01:11:38.640
a title? You've got all those belt fees and everything.

01:11:39.659 --> 01:11:47.140
So much. Something interesting that you mentioned

01:11:47.140 --> 01:11:51.479
was about once we get away from the culture of

01:11:51.479 --> 01:11:55.239
protecting your undefeated record, we'll get

01:11:55.239 --> 01:11:58.039
into a space where more coaches are going to

01:11:58.039 --> 01:12:00.539
be willing to step in on behalf of their fighter.

01:12:01.700 --> 01:12:04.460
I hope so. That's something that Jack Reese brought

01:12:04.460 --> 01:12:09.619
up was his words here. Fighters don't like that.

01:12:09.739 --> 01:12:12.699
And we know father trainers seem to never throw

01:12:12.699 --> 01:12:15.399
in the towel on their sons. And the sons never

01:12:15.399 --> 01:12:20.819
quit in front of their fathers. That's true.

01:12:21.500 --> 01:12:23.939
I don't know why he made it about fathers and

01:12:23.939 --> 01:12:26.720
sons. I really don't. Because you can say the

01:12:26.720 --> 01:12:30.229
same thing about a lot of fights. where nobody's

01:12:30.229 --> 01:12:34.090
related in the corner it's true but i think it

01:12:34.090 --> 01:12:37.949
also i think the point is interesting when it

01:12:37.949 --> 01:12:41.529
comes to the topic of you think about a father's

01:12:41.529 --> 01:12:43.829
role is to like keep their kid out of danger

01:12:43.829 --> 01:12:47.069
but then you look at how that sort of subverts

01:12:47.069 --> 01:12:52.489
in the context of father -son coaching so what

01:12:52.489 --> 01:12:57.710
not that i actually think he was completely there

01:13:00.270 --> 01:13:04.949
But I think you raise an interesting point. I

01:13:04.949 --> 01:13:07.609
do think corners need to be more ready to throw

01:13:07.609 --> 01:13:10.909
in the towel. There's been quite a few fights

01:13:10.909 --> 01:13:13.449
where I don't understand why the corner didn't

01:13:13.449 --> 01:13:20.529
stop it. 100%. Well, I mean, Timzu, that's probably

01:13:20.529 --> 01:13:23.350
like the best example. That's the best recent

01:13:23.350 --> 01:13:26.649
example for sure. Yeah, you gotta make business

01:13:26.649 --> 01:13:31.539
decisions. you gotta go right this guy's long

01:13:31.539 --> 01:13:36.199
-term health is you know it's gonna be in jeopardy

01:13:36.199 --> 01:13:41.039
because you're in a boxing ring but there's levels

01:13:41.039 --> 01:13:43.939
of jeopardy that you don't quite need to reach

01:13:43.939 --> 01:13:47.239
because i think we look at you know it's boxing

01:13:47.239 --> 01:13:50.739
it's rocky movies it's comebacks it's getting

01:13:50.739 --> 01:13:52.800
knocked down and still winning the fight in the

01:13:52.800 --> 01:13:56.430
last round but we gotta We don't have to completely

01:13:56.430 --> 01:13:58.229
let go of that but I think there needs to be

01:13:58.229 --> 01:14:04.350
a bit of a loosened grip. Yeah. Because otherwise

01:14:04.350 --> 01:14:09.010
we need to be accepting and cognizant of the

01:14:09.010 --> 01:14:12.829
fact that we will end up in situations with hematomas

01:14:12.829 --> 01:14:15.970
and unfortunate deaths and not just that but

01:14:15.970 --> 01:14:18.409
I think the discussion also needs to open up

01:14:18.409 --> 01:14:22.750
about CTE and support for boxers after their

01:14:22.750 --> 01:14:26.199
career. because we can talk about in -fight safety

01:14:26.199 --> 01:14:30.020
all we want but I think it's post -fight and

01:14:30.020 --> 01:14:33.140
more specifically post -career safety that I

01:14:33.140 --> 01:14:35.159
want to see them really make a point of at the

01:14:35.159 --> 01:14:40.380
moment because as a lot of guys over the last

01:14:40.380 --> 01:14:43.220
years who have finished their career and they're

01:14:43.220 --> 01:14:44.840
not quite sure what they're going to do after

01:14:44.840 --> 01:14:49.479
their career and they sort of spiral so I think

01:14:49.479 --> 01:14:54.460
about that when I think about the concepts of

01:14:54.460 --> 01:14:59.319
stoppages and trainers throwing in towels because

01:14:59.319 --> 01:15:01.979
I don't think anybody ever thinks of that in

01:15:01.979 --> 01:15:12.699
the moment. Yeah. The post -career care is something...

01:15:12.699 --> 01:15:17.000
It's one of the main reasons that I... As much

01:15:17.000 --> 01:15:21.000
as he's a jackass in his fighting career, Jake

01:15:21.000 --> 01:15:25.779
Paul... He's a big advocate for post -career

01:15:25.779 --> 01:15:29.000
care for fighters. Trying to create a collective

01:15:29.000 --> 01:15:32.319
bargaining organization for fighters as a whole.

01:15:33.119 --> 01:15:38.159
Like pension and stuff. Yeah, exactly. I always

01:15:38.159 --> 01:15:41.800
advocate for Jake Paul just because I know he

01:15:41.800 --> 01:15:46.340
genuinely does care. Behind the scenes at least.

01:15:47.359 --> 01:15:50.609
Yeah. I think so as well. I think there's, and

01:15:50.609 --> 01:15:53.750
that's not even, not even to advocate for him

01:15:53.750 --> 01:15:57.989
as a personal boxer, but there are things he

01:15:57.989 --> 01:15:59.710
is bringing to the sport that are objectively

01:15:59.710 --> 01:16:02.090
good for the sport. There's a few of them, and

01:16:02.090 --> 01:16:06.170
I think that that should be something that is

01:16:06.170 --> 01:16:09.069
noted. A lot of people, they're not going to

01:16:09.069 --> 01:16:11.409
see that. They're just going to dismiss him just

01:16:11.409 --> 01:16:14.989
at face value and not really look into, you know,

01:16:14.989 --> 01:16:18.729
the significance of some of those moves, because

01:16:18.729 --> 01:16:22.149
he was someone who made a really big point of

01:16:22.149 --> 01:16:28.649
Dana White's treatment of fighters, and I think

01:16:28.649 --> 01:16:30.189
that's part of why it upsets me that we're getting

01:16:30.189 --> 01:16:34.689
to where we are now, where you know, with Zupa

01:16:34.689 --> 01:16:37.630
boxing and trying to move the sport in that direction.

01:16:41.890 --> 01:16:47.500
Oh man, speaking of which, Jai Upataya. Signs

01:16:47.500 --> 01:16:55.720
with Zubin. This fucking sucks. Terrible diapers.

01:16:58.000 --> 01:17:02.420
Look, I'm... I hope he's getting paid a lot.

01:17:02.979 --> 01:17:06.020
Because this is a dangerous sport and you can

01:17:06.020 --> 01:17:09.939
take your money as it comes. But while it may

01:17:09.939 --> 01:17:13.140
be good for him, and I don't necessarily blame

01:17:13.140 --> 01:17:16.909
him, I think it was inevitable that... Somebody

01:17:16.909 --> 01:17:20.630
was going to do this. But the problem is, once

01:17:20.630 --> 01:17:26.890
you give legitimacy to Zufa and their exploits

01:17:26.890 --> 01:17:32.210
with Saudi Arabia and Riyadh, what then happens

01:17:32.210 --> 01:17:35.369
is they keep swallowing up that market share.

01:17:36.050 --> 01:17:39.029
And that's something that can happen quickly

01:17:39.029 --> 01:17:42.289
in boxing, a lot quicker than people may think.

01:17:42.810 --> 01:17:45.289
Because think about, you know, how much you're

01:17:45.289 --> 01:17:48.489
able to watch on DAZN now, and how much the landscape

01:17:48.489 --> 01:17:50.750
has changed, even just over the last few years,

01:17:50.789 --> 01:17:52.909
in terms of the top -ranking Golden Boy deals

01:17:52.909 --> 01:17:58.369
with their respective broadcasters. So, if you

01:17:58.369 --> 01:18:00.289
think about how quickly things change in that

01:18:00.289 --> 01:18:04.489
sense, the fact that we now have that branch

01:18:04.489 --> 01:18:09.689
of legitimacy with Zooka, it now becomes a point

01:18:09.689 --> 01:18:11.819
where... Others are going to start taking it

01:18:11.819 --> 01:18:13.680
seriously. And the moment that market share goes

01:18:13.680 --> 01:18:16.119
in, they are not going to keep paying fighters

01:18:16.119 --> 01:18:19.300
like this forever. It's Saudi Arabia, so they

01:18:19.300 --> 01:18:21.819
actually can. Like, contrary to popular belief,

01:18:21.920 --> 01:18:25.060
this is not some, like, unsustainable thing,

01:18:25.100 --> 01:18:27.439
at least for, like, the next probably 50 years

01:18:27.439 --> 01:18:30.800
or whatever. But just because you can pay for

01:18:30.800 --> 01:18:32.979
something doesn't mean you're going to. Yeah,

01:18:32.979 --> 01:18:36.829
shareholders at the end of the day, right? Well,

01:18:36.869 --> 01:18:38.729
that's it there's gonna be now that it's with

01:18:38.729 --> 01:18:41.930
super now that it's with you know, all of the

01:18:41.930 --> 01:18:44.970
Collective shareholders that they're gonna be

01:18:44.970 --> 01:18:49.810
getting with UFC people that are coming in that

01:18:49.810 --> 01:18:54.149
is gonna happen. So Yeah, it's disappointing

01:18:54.149 --> 01:18:59.170
there's gonna be a lot of money That's gonna

01:18:59.170 --> 01:19:01.529
be out of the fighters hands and into the shareholders

01:19:01.529 --> 01:19:05.289
hands. That's what upsets me the most That's

01:19:05.289 --> 01:19:08.279
gonna be This is a sport where, realistically,

01:19:08.720 --> 01:19:12.239
boxers get a lot of money, but only a certain

01:19:12.239 --> 01:19:15.060
amount of them really get to that money. And

01:19:15.060 --> 01:19:18.520
if we're not going to be protecting boxers, then

01:19:18.520 --> 01:19:20.960
paying them less is just something that's going

01:19:20.960 --> 01:19:26.300
to worry me even more. So, the moment that market

01:19:26.300 --> 01:19:28.840
share carries over, no matter how much Opetai

01:19:28.840 --> 01:19:30.899
is getting paid right now, it's going to lead

01:19:30.899 --> 01:19:32.779
to a point where fighters down the line, they're

01:19:32.779 --> 01:19:36.039
getting a lot less. And I think that in itself

01:19:36.039 --> 01:19:39.500
is going to set the sport backwards. Realistically,

01:19:39.800 --> 01:19:42.079
the sport should not be looking at the UFC and

01:19:42.079 --> 01:19:46.960
trying to be like that. I wonder what happens

01:19:46.960 --> 01:19:49.939
with the belt after this. At least it's the IBF,

01:19:50.000 --> 01:19:52.399
so they'll strip them pretty quick, probably.

01:19:52.739 --> 01:19:56.220
Yeah, I'd imagine. They can, and honestly, they

01:19:56.220 --> 01:20:02.399
should. Because if you're in a boxing league...

01:20:02.750 --> 01:20:06.569
Or whatever it is. I don't know how Zupa's going

01:20:06.569 --> 01:20:08.609
to work either. Currently, they were working

01:20:08.609 --> 01:20:12.189
with the other belts in a respect for the NLO

01:20:12.189 --> 01:20:15.109
vs Crawford event, but I don't think it's going

01:20:15.109 --> 01:20:16.970
to be like that forever. It's going to be that

01:20:16.970 --> 01:20:21.289
buddy -buddy. Well, and they weren't very buddy

01:20:21.289 --> 01:20:23.289
-buddy because they tried to stop What's -His

01:20:23.289 --> 01:20:25.130
-Name from coming in the ring with the belts

01:20:25.130 --> 01:20:30.420
and stuff like that. Yeah. That's it. It's only

01:20:30.420 --> 01:20:32.579
ever going to get more and more hostile, I'd

01:20:32.579 --> 01:20:36.199
imagine, over time. So upsetting moment for the

01:20:36.199 --> 01:20:41.100
sport. I hope it's not a sign of things to come.

01:20:45.039 --> 01:20:48.659
Speaking of things to come, Tim Zhu versus Errol

01:20:48.659 --> 01:20:53.939
Spence. Have you heard about this? Oh, I have

01:20:53.939 --> 01:21:00.760
heard rumblings. I have not believed them. You

01:21:00.760 --> 01:21:07.500
don't think it's going to happen? Look, if it

01:21:07.500 --> 01:21:10.000
happens, the fight will be in Australia on a

01:21:10.000 --> 01:21:13.199
no -limit card, because I believe that they are

01:21:13.199 --> 01:21:18.800
the only people shameless enough. I don't think

01:21:18.800 --> 01:21:20.859
they're the only people shameless enough at all.

01:21:21.500 --> 01:21:24.840
They probably would be. I think there are many

01:21:24.840 --> 01:21:27.220
places in the US that would put Errol Spence

01:21:27.220 --> 01:21:35.180
on a card. Look, Tim Zu is going to be a bit

01:21:35.180 --> 01:21:37.600
busy at the moment because of what transpired

01:21:37.600 --> 01:21:40.739
last night, I'd imagine. Him and his brother,

01:21:40.859 --> 01:21:45.340
I think. Him fighting Errol Spence is probably

01:21:45.340 --> 01:21:48.460
really good for the both of them. I think it

01:21:48.460 --> 01:21:51.380
gives Tim Zu a chance to go against someone who

01:21:51.380 --> 01:21:54.520
was an insanely world -class fighter. But Errol

01:21:54.520 --> 01:21:56.920
Spence, I believe that he should at least be

01:21:56.920 --> 01:21:59.199
getting some sort of tune -up. that, I don't

01:21:59.199 --> 01:22:01.140
think he should jump straight into it. Which

01:22:01.140 --> 01:22:04.279
is a crazy thing to say about Tim Zhu, who previously

01:22:04.279 --> 01:22:06.859
every single bit of dialogue said he needed a

01:22:06.859 --> 01:22:10.659
tune -up, but he's just had one, so he's probably

01:22:10.659 --> 01:22:15.840
good to go. I think Spence is so shot that if

01:22:15.840 --> 01:22:17.939
he tries to have a tune -up, people will realize

01:22:17.939 --> 01:22:22.920
how shot he is, and the money goes away. That

01:22:22.920 --> 01:22:26.909
could be it. And that fight, like, they are still

01:22:26.909 --> 01:22:29.210
both big enough names for that fight to actually

01:22:29.210 --> 01:22:33.609
fall quite a fair bit. So, this could be a situation

01:22:33.609 --> 01:22:36.189
where Spence has the ability to cash it out.

01:22:37.689 --> 01:22:41.270
Not that I really think he should be doing this.

01:22:41.350 --> 01:22:45.869
Like, it's like, man, if he believes he can win,

01:22:46.029 --> 01:22:50.489
good. Do it. But if it's for any reason other

01:22:50.489 --> 01:22:54.270
than that, then... I am not interested in seeing

01:22:54.270 --> 01:23:03.909
this. And last bit, Nikita Zu and Michael Zarafa.

01:23:06.350 --> 01:23:16.130
Where to begin? Look, we had a fight card where

01:23:16.130 --> 01:23:21.529
Liam Wilson, one of Australia's best boxers,

01:23:23.180 --> 01:23:25.979
at the moment. I think anybody that's watched

01:23:25.979 --> 01:23:28.640
him would tend to agree. He might not have the

01:23:28.640 --> 01:23:30.760
same notoriety as a few other fighters at the

01:23:30.760 --> 01:23:32.979
moment, but in terms of what he's been able to

01:23:32.979 --> 01:23:34.840
do, he has pieced together a very respectable

01:23:34.840 --> 01:23:36.960
career for himself and he's continuing to go

01:23:36.960 --> 01:23:39.720
as well. He's had a good streak of fights lately.

01:23:39.939 --> 01:23:44.380
He's been very active. Now, he was placed behind

01:23:44.380 --> 01:23:50.569
two fights on this card. He was placed behind

01:23:50.569 --> 01:23:53.350
the lead -up to the main, and then he was also

01:23:53.350 --> 01:23:58.289
placed behind former NRL player Nelson Osofa

01:23:58.289 --> 01:24:01.609
-Solomona fighting former NRL player Jeremy Lattam.

01:24:02.350 --> 01:24:05.930
Now, there is nothing that explains boxing better

01:24:05.930 --> 01:24:08.569
in this country than one of its best co -fighters

01:24:08.569 --> 01:24:16.010
being placed behind Korea. Yeah, yeah, basically.

01:24:16.029 --> 01:24:22.760
Former footy players and... a fight of two heavyweights

01:24:22.760 --> 01:24:25.739
who are, compared to Liam Wilson, relatively

01:24:25.739 --> 01:24:29.699
not that accomplished. And that's not to disrespect

01:24:29.699 --> 01:24:32.060
any of them. You know, everyone that went into

01:24:32.060 --> 01:24:35.319
the ring did an excellent job. You know, they

01:24:35.319 --> 01:24:37.159
have trained very hard. They've been in camp

01:24:37.159 --> 01:24:39.720
for this and they've taken it seriously. But

01:24:39.720 --> 01:24:42.939
that is the prioritization of Australian fighting.

01:24:43.449 --> 01:24:45.670
And this fight, first and foremost, if you have

01:24:45.670 --> 01:24:48.270
followed Michael Zarapa's career, you knew from

01:24:48.270 --> 01:24:51.689
the jump that anything to do with him was going

01:24:51.689 --> 01:24:56.210
to bring some chaos. Whether it was the time

01:24:56.210 --> 01:24:59.689
that he pulled out of the Tetsu fight, or it

01:24:59.689 --> 01:25:03.029
was the time where he wanted to pull out of another

01:25:03.029 --> 01:25:05.510
fight that they had. I believe Pete Bale, one

01:25:05.510 --> 01:25:07.329
of the broadcasters, mentioned, but the doctors

01:25:07.329 --> 01:25:11.289
said that they wouldn't be able to clear him.

01:25:11.520 --> 01:25:16.939
rightfully to say not fight so he has a history

01:25:16.939 --> 01:25:20.939
of events ending up in this way he's got the

01:25:20.939 --> 01:25:23.539
reputation as being australia's most hated boxer

01:25:23.539 --> 01:25:27.119
whether that's a deserved thing or not but when

01:25:27.119 --> 01:25:29.939
you come into the fight with this context and

01:25:29.939 --> 01:25:32.939
you get to the second round and then there's

01:25:32.939 --> 01:25:35.260
the cut over the eye and to be honest like that

01:25:35.260 --> 01:25:38.539
is It didn't look like a big cut, but the photos

01:25:38.539 --> 01:25:40.899
circulating around are after it got cleaned up.

01:25:41.000 --> 01:25:42.659
It wasn't when the blood was actually flowing.

01:25:43.279 --> 01:25:46.659
Now, the problem... It still wasn't a very big

01:25:46.659 --> 01:25:49.319
cut, even when the blood was flowing. And the

01:25:49.319 --> 01:25:53.140
blood was flowing mostly around his eye. Yeah,

01:25:53.159 --> 01:25:59.020
it wasn't massive. But I, as an athlete, I'm

01:25:59.020 --> 01:26:00.979
not going to judge someone for saying that they

01:26:00.979 --> 01:26:03.640
can't see to the doctor. Now, the problems for

01:26:03.640 --> 01:26:07.340
me began after that. He told the doctor he couldn't

01:26:07.340 --> 01:26:11.819
see. Sure. You can't see early in the fight,

01:26:11.899 --> 01:26:14.800
whatever. It's going to disappoint all the drunk,

01:26:14.939 --> 01:26:16.979
overweight gambling addicts in the crowd, but

01:26:16.979 --> 01:26:18.560
they're not in the ring. They're not risking

01:26:18.560 --> 01:26:20.779
their health and safety. This isn't up to them.

01:26:21.340 --> 01:26:24.239
Now, the problem comes when Zarafa then gets

01:26:24.239 --> 01:26:27.779
up and says, oh, I said I was good to go. I didn't

01:26:27.779 --> 01:26:30.020
say I couldn't see. And then they immediately

01:26:30.020 --> 01:26:34.289
play a video of exactly what he said. And he

01:26:34.289 --> 01:26:38.590
exactly said, I can't see, as an exact quote,

01:26:38.649 --> 01:26:42.550
four times. Literal exact quote, four times in

01:26:42.550 --> 01:26:46.689
that sequence. And then after that, his cut man

01:26:46.689 --> 01:26:50.789
goes on Twitter and posts the actual swab of

01:26:50.789 --> 01:26:56.170
blood that he took. And it was nothing. So Zaraffa's

01:26:56.170 --> 01:27:00.069
own cut man went to Twitter to say that it wasn't

01:27:00.069 --> 01:27:04.979
a big cut. So, when you're taking into the context

01:27:04.979 --> 01:27:10.659
that, it's just, it is such a circus show. And

01:27:10.659 --> 01:27:13.399
I also believe that, like, if you're spending

01:27:13.399 --> 01:27:15.800
that much money, because it was a $70 pay -per

01:27:15.800 --> 01:27:17.560
-view, if you're spending a $70 pay -per -view

01:27:17.560 --> 01:27:20.880
to watch Nikita Zu versus Michael Zarafov, that

01:27:20.880 --> 01:27:25.859
is natural selection. I am sorry. With all due

01:27:25.859 --> 01:27:29.060
respect, with all due respect, if you were a

01:27:29.060 --> 01:27:33.100
viewer of this fight, who spent 70 dollars you

01:27:33.100 --> 01:27:35.880
just didn't know better and you should have especially

01:27:35.880 --> 01:27:38.380
when this country actually does have some decent

01:27:38.380 --> 01:27:40.840
fighters you could have been watching because

01:27:40.840 --> 01:27:43.479
all of these people if they wanted if they actually

01:27:43.479 --> 01:27:45.680
wanted good boxing and to be entertained they

01:27:45.680 --> 01:27:48.619
would have been watching max mcintyre and kira

01:27:48.619 --> 01:27:51.260
rustin when they had their recent fight but they

01:27:51.260 --> 01:27:53.640
weren't because they wanted to watch footy players

01:27:53.640 --> 01:27:56.279
and tim zoo's brother and michael zaraffa because

01:27:56.279 --> 01:28:00.670
that's who they get angry at on facebook so I

01:28:00.670 --> 01:28:05.029
think I already have such a lack of empathy for

01:28:05.029 --> 01:28:07.810
the sort of people that are really passionate

01:28:07.810 --> 01:28:12.470
about these sorts of fights that I'm not as angry

01:28:12.470 --> 01:28:17.090
at this as everyone else is. I mostly just feel

01:28:17.090 --> 01:28:21.310
bad for Nikita, to be honest with you. He is,

01:28:21.470 --> 01:28:25.710
by all accounts, Nikita seems like such an incredibly

01:28:25.710 --> 01:28:29.090
likable and calm person. Like, I've never seen

01:28:29.090 --> 01:28:34.729
Nikita really lose his cool, be all of himself.

01:28:35.050 --> 01:28:38.470
This is a guy that spends, by all accounts, most

01:28:38.470 --> 01:28:41.569
of his time just meditating and boxing. He's

01:28:41.569 --> 01:28:44.529
a very calm and chill human being. And he didn't

01:28:44.529 --> 01:28:47.430
even, he wasn't even that disparaging towards

01:28:47.430 --> 01:28:49.590
Zaraffa after the fight either. Tim certainly

01:28:49.590 --> 01:28:51.710
was. Tim was pissed. He was calling him all sorts

01:28:51.710 --> 01:28:53.789
of names. You could see all the videos of him

01:28:53.789 --> 01:28:56.029
yelling at Zaraffa, getting in the ring for it

01:28:56.029 --> 01:29:00.649
too. I mean, kind of deserved. If anybody gets

01:29:00.649 --> 01:29:03.430
to talk shit about somebody pulling out of a

01:29:03.430 --> 01:29:05.970
fight for blood in their eyes, Tim gets to talk

01:29:05.970 --> 01:29:08.829
all the shit he wants. And also, this is the

01:29:08.829 --> 01:29:11.130
same Tim that's had to listen to Zaraffa calling

01:29:11.130 --> 01:29:13.189
him out for the last four years after Zaraffa

01:29:13.189 --> 01:29:14.750
already didn't want to fight the first time.

01:29:15.149 --> 01:29:20.470
So there's Tim. He can say whatever he wants.

01:29:20.569 --> 01:29:22.850
I think Tim Zhu has earned his respect in the

01:29:22.850 --> 01:29:24.909
grand scheme of Australian boxing to be able

01:29:24.909 --> 01:29:26.869
to say whatever he wants to Michael Zaraffa.

01:29:28.840 --> 01:29:32.060
However, I think the real comedy of this fight

01:29:32.060 --> 01:29:36.479
is with George Rose, who, for those who don't

01:29:36.479 --> 01:29:39.239
know, the Rose brothers are in charge of No Limit,

01:29:39.239 --> 01:29:41.779
who are the promotion company that put this event

01:29:41.779 --> 01:29:45.520
on. George Rose has to go up and stand in front

01:29:45.520 --> 01:29:49.000
of the crowd because this was his Jay Gatsby

01:29:49.000 --> 01:29:52.979
party, right? Like, this was him bringing everyone

01:29:52.979 --> 01:29:56.060
out. This is Zu versus Zarafa. This is the fight

01:29:56.060 --> 01:29:57.640
that everyone's been talking about for years.

01:29:57.760 --> 01:30:00.380
It's going to be like Green versus Mundine and

01:30:00.380 --> 01:30:03.760
it ends in less than two rounds and he's being

01:30:03.760 --> 01:30:05.960
booed by the crowd having to get up and apologize

01:30:05.960 --> 01:30:12.899
to everyone. That, to me, was incredible. Considering,

01:30:13.000 --> 01:30:17.939
you know, the irony of how fighters like Liam

01:30:17.939 --> 01:30:20.960
Wilson get sort of put on the bottom of these

01:30:20.960 --> 01:30:26.319
cards. And when we have these incredible boxes,

01:30:26.579 --> 01:30:31.020
yeah, that was a great moment of irony for me,

01:30:31.039 --> 01:30:33.539
I think. For him to have to stand up and say

01:30:33.539 --> 01:30:35.699
that this event disappointed because he put that

01:30:35.699 --> 01:30:42.500
level of faith in the sort of, I don't want to

01:30:42.500 --> 01:30:46.500
say clowns, I think that's, I'm not that harsh,

01:30:46.680 --> 01:30:52.149
but certainly members of a circus. active participants

01:30:52.149 --> 01:30:59.470
in the circus system, I will say. So that's where

01:30:59.470 --> 01:31:02.550
we are with Australian boxing. And anybody that's

01:31:02.550 --> 01:31:05.010
mad about what transpired last night, I truly

01:31:05.010 --> 01:31:07.869
think that what happened last night wasn't anything

01:31:07.869 --> 01:31:11.250
that different to what usually happens in Australian

01:31:11.250 --> 01:31:13.649
boxing. I think it was just Australia holding

01:31:13.649 --> 01:31:17.189
a mirror up at the way that it views boxing.

01:31:17.800 --> 01:31:20.119
I think everyone that looked at that and got

01:31:20.119 --> 01:31:22.439
absolutely disgusted needs to sit with themselves

01:31:22.439 --> 01:31:24.880
and understand that this is what they have been

01:31:24.880 --> 01:31:28.739
asking for. They might not believe it, but yes,

01:31:28.840 --> 01:31:31.159
you have in fact been asking for this because

01:31:31.159 --> 01:31:35.800
when you are treating, you know, Paul Gallen

01:31:35.800 --> 01:31:39.340
as one of the biggest boxers in the country.

01:31:39.800 --> 01:31:42.039
You know, Gallen versus Sonny Bill Williams had

01:31:42.039 --> 01:31:44.180
more people asking for illegal streams on it

01:31:44.180 --> 01:31:46.260
than anything else, and it was the same for Gallen

01:31:46.260 --> 01:31:48.779
versus Brown and Gallen versus Hewney. That is

01:31:48.779 --> 01:31:52.020
what this country wants, and it can try and trick

01:31:52.020 --> 01:31:54.300
everyone and pretend that it wants anything else,

01:31:54.399 --> 01:31:57.119
but when you look at where the money flows, it's

01:31:57.119 --> 01:32:02.279
not. So, Australia, if you're mad that Nikita

01:32:02.279 --> 01:32:04.500
Zuba versus Michael Zarafa went the way that

01:32:04.500 --> 01:32:06.800
it did, you need to ask why you're spending so

01:32:06.800 --> 01:32:10.130
much money on these no -limit fights. when there

01:32:10.130 --> 01:32:13.170
are some legitimately incredible boxing talents

01:32:13.170 --> 01:32:16.789
in this country coming through. You know, when

01:32:16.789 --> 01:32:19.069
we are looking at guys like Tara Moana, guys

01:32:19.069 --> 01:32:22.010
like Liam Wilson, guys, you know, people like

01:32:22.010 --> 01:32:24.390
Sugar Neeks, when you see the run that she is

01:32:24.390 --> 01:32:27.750
on right now, absolutely incredible. And then

01:32:27.750 --> 01:32:30.369
understanding that this is what you asked for

01:32:30.369 --> 01:32:32.069
because that's not where you're putting your

01:32:32.069 --> 01:32:34.489
money. You're putting it into the ex -footy players

01:32:34.489 --> 01:32:37.590
fighting and you're getting scared and confused.

01:32:38.319 --> 01:32:41.239
when these cards end up like this. Because one

01:32:41.239 --> 01:32:43.520
of the last times Michael Zareffa fought, what

01:32:43.520 --> 01:32:45.640
happened? His brother punched somebody in the

01:32:45.640 --> 01:32:48.439
ring. His brother punched an opposition trainer

01:32:48.439 --> 01:32:51.840
in the ring and they had to have the entire stadium

01:32:51.840 --> 01:32:55.300
supported. Not the stadium, the ring. But that

01:32:55.300 --> 01:32:57.539
was the same card that Nikita Zu was fighting

01:32:57.539 --> 01:33:02.439
on. This is what you asked for. You ordered this.

01:33:04.720 --> 01:33:07.779
So... It's fucking surprising that Zaraffa is

01:33:07.779 --> 01:33:09.939
still getting fights if this is his history.

01:33:10.039 --> 01:33:11.739
I didn't know all that. I didn't know all the

01:33:11.739 --> 01:33:15.359
history about him either. Australian boxing is

01:33:15.359 --> 01:33:18.819
so hard to watch outside of Australia. Everyone

01:33:18.819 --> 01:33:22.479
hates Michael Zaraffa. That's why he's popular.

01:33:22.699 --> 01:33:25.220
It's the exact same as Paul Gallen. People in

01:33:25.220 --> 01:33:27.779
Australia do not watch boxing. They hate watch

01:33:27.779 --> 01:33:32.380
boxing. That makes sense. Yeah, that's not good.

01:33:33.079 --> 01:33:38.359
No. They are watching you because they want you

01:33:38.359 --> 01:33:42.659
to lose. It is tall poppy syndrome. There's no

01:33:42.659 --> 01:33:51.899
real country that gets so... We hate our fighters.

01:33:52.060 --> 01:33:55.279
We really do. I think there's a few guys that

01:33:55.279 --> 01:33:58.520
we really, really, really get behind. I'm really

01:33:58.520 --> 01:34:01.689
proud of how we get behind Tim Zhu. But there's

01:34:01.689 --> 01:34:03.890
a lot of other guys who just are not afforded

01:34:03.890 --> 01:34:08.170
that. And at the end of the day, they're the

01:34:08.170 --> 01:34:10.689
guys who really could be using it. Like I look

01:34:10.689 --> 01:34:15.310
at when I mentioned Kira Rustin and the talent

01:34:15.310 --> 01:34:18.069
that he is, he won't get any near the coverage.

01:34:18.609 --> 01:34:20.590
Callum Peters, they're trying to put him on through

01:34:20.590 --> 01:34:22.409
no limit. The people, they're just not watching

01:34:22.409 --> 01:34:24.810
Callum Peters like they're watching a few of

01:34:24.810 --> 01:34:28.250
these other guys. And that honestly upsets me

01:34:28.250 --> 01:34:34.130
because he really can't fight. so it's just it's

01:34:34.130 --> 01:34:38.229
done it to itself and if we as a country want

01:34:38.229 --> 01:34:41.510
to watch good boxing you need to stop only ever

01:34:41.510 --> 01:34:44.050
putting your money up when it's an nrl player

01:34:44.050 --> 01:34:46.310
that's fighting you need to start going okay

01:34:46.310 --> 01:34:49.369
who are who are some of the actual fighters in

01:34:49.369 --> 01:34:51.350
this country like google it right now like who

01:34:51.350 --> 01:34:54.010
are some of the up -and -coming australian boxers

01:34:54.010 --> 01:34:57.189
and start looking into their careers otherwise

01:34:58.239 --> 01:35:01.340
You get what you pay for, and if you got sucked

01:35:01.340 --> 01:35:04.020
into that, you always should have known that

01:35:04.020 --> 01:35:08.079
it was going to be a circus. It's not a good

01:35:08.079 --> 01:35:11.000
start to 2026 for Australian boxing, anyways.

01:35:13.239 --> 01:35:19.279
Well, that's... It gets what it deserves. And

01:35:19.279 --> 01:35:22.880
I say that as a big, huge lover of sport in this

01:35:22.880 --> 01:35:27.420
country, but... There's some amazing people that

01:35:27.420 --> 01:35:31.079
are going to be at the forefront of Australian

01:35:31.079 --> 01:35:35.319
boxing over the next few years, but people are

01:35:35.319 --> 01:35:37.899
not following what our Olympians are doing, the

01:35:37.899 --> 01:35:41.460
amateur systems. They just fight whatever footy

01:35:41.460 --> 01:35:48.939
players No Limit tells them to watch. It's going

01:35:48.939 --> 01:35:51.920
to be that way. until we start to actually have

01:35:51.920 --> 01:35:54.140
some respect for the art of boxing instead of

01:35:54.140 --> 01:35:59.000
just brawling and just wanting to see blood on

01:35:59.000 --> 01:36:06.140
TV. The top 10 Australian fighters on BoxRec,

01:36:06.260 --> 01:36:09.920
so, you know, grain of salt, the pound -for -pound

01:36:09.920 --> 01:36:14.439
list, Jai Obatai is at the top, Liam Parrow,

01:36:14.600 --> 01:36:20.010
Sam Goodman, Tim Zhu, Michael Zarafa. Nikita

01:36:20.010 --> 01:36:25.350
Zu, Liam Wilson, Imam Kataev, Cesar Tapia, and

01:36:25.350 --> 01:36:30.890
John Manu. Yeah. Tara Moana's not on the list

01:36:30.890 --> 01:36:34.090
yet? No. There's a few guys that are really unlucky

01:36:34.090 --> 01:36:38.470
to miss out on that list. I think Tara Moana

01:36:38.470 --> 01:36:41.289
should be in the top 10 list. Without a doubt.

01:36:45.189 --> 01:36:48.369
Here's the thing. Even... Even if you had put

01:36:48.369 --> 01:36:51.670
Tera Moana in there. I mean, even to be honest,

01:36:51.970 --> 01:36:56.529
Liam Parra... People, they do not get behind

01:36:56.529 --> 01:37:00.970
Liam Parra like they get up for the rapper or

01:37:00.970 --> 01:37:03.710
Zeus, right? Like this... They don't like his

01:37:03.710 --> 01:37:09.630
style. He boxes too much. That might be it, but

01:37:09.630 --> 01:37:12.029
on top of that, it's also the fact that, yeah,

01:37:12.149 --> 01:37:15.829
that's not what they come to see. I mean, that's

01:37:15.829 --> 01:37:17.989
crazy because he actually is a pretty tough guy.

01:37:18.090 --> 01:37:20.350
Like you see in his most recent fight where even

01:37:20.350 --> 01:37:23.430
he had the cut in his eye. And even when he had

01:37:23.430 --> 01:37:26.890
that absolutely wanted eye, he still like at

01:37:26.890 --> 01:37:29.050
the arena. To me, it looks like he was boxing

01:37:29.050 --> 01:37:30.770
good. He was getting out of the way. He was doing

01:37:30.770 --> 01:37:34.829
nice and he got the job done. That was it. You

01:37:34.829 --> 01:37:36.909
know, Pat Rafter arena around in Brisbane. And

01:37:36.909 --> 01:37:39.850
I went there and there weren't that many people

01:37:39.850 --> 01:37:42.289
there. It was actually a really empty arena.

01:37:42.770 --> 01:37:46.569
That's crazy. Yeah, people, that's what I'm saying.

01:37:46.689 --> 01:37:49.229
And this is his hometown. Like, you have to understand

01:37:49.229 --> 01:37:51.130
that, like, Liam Parra, he came out of Kooparoo

01:37:51.130 --> 01:37:53.609
Boxing Gym over in inner -city Brisbane. I walk

01:37:53.609 --> 01:37:56.729
past there all the time. And this fight was being

01:37:56.729 --> 01:37:59.590
held in Pat Rafter Arena, which is just west

01:37:59.590 --> 01:38:02.770
of it, over around the Tennyson area, I believe.

01:38:02.989 --> 01:38:07.199
Now... This is a city that's not even getting

01:38:07.199 --> 01:38:09.279
behind its own guy. And when I say its own guy,

01:38:09.460 --> 01:38:11.439
I'm talking about one of the best talents to

01:38:11.439 --> 01:38:13.779
come out of Australian boxing in quite some time.

01:38:14.560 --> 01:38:18.460
And he's a world champ. Exactly. That's fucking

01:38:18.460 --> 01:38:22.420
crazy. That's exactly it. He's not some nobody.

01:38:22.560 --> 01:38:25.739
He is a world champ. He is one of the most accomplished.

01:38:25.800 --> 01:38:29.279
And more people went to watch Nikita Zu versus

01:38:29.279 --> 01:38:32.100
Michael Zarafa. And that should tell you absolutely

01:38:32.100 --> 01:38:35.729
everything you need to know. because that's...

01:38:35.729 --> 01:38:39.989
And it's... Parra only just signed with No Limit

01:38:39.989 --> 01:38:42.750
as well, and that disappointed me so much. It'll

01:38:42.750 --> 01:38:46.909
be good for him in Australia, but they're not

01:38:46.909 --> 01:38:48.350
going to push him the same way they're going

01:38:48.350 --> 01:38:51.010
to push Tim Nikita. And that is something that

01:38:51.010 --> 01:38:54.470
upsets me, because Liam Parra, in my opinion,

01:38:54.470 --> 01:38:57.949
absolutely incredible fighter, at least in the

01:38:57.949 --> 01:39:01.750
context of Australian boxing, because... There's

01:39:01.750 --> 01:39:04.170
not many Australians that have that level of

01:39:04.170 --> 01:39:07.670
counter -punching acumen, head movement or footwork.

01:39:08.390 --> 01:39:12.029
And, you know, we're not going to get that. We're

01:39:12.029 --> 01:39:14.369
not going to get that again if we keep going

01:39:14.369 --> 01:39:17.710
about things at the pro level that we do. Because

01:39:17.710 --> 01:39:20.229
it's not a Boxing Australia problem. Boxing Australia

01:39:20.229 --> 01:39:22.069
have their own issues. But if you look at their

01:39:22.069 --> 01:39:24.630
curriculum on how they teach boxers, the way

01:39:24.630 --> 01:39:26.489
that I've been trained to box over the last couple

01:39:26.489 --> 01:39:29.539
of years. it's not like they're not telling you

01:39:29.539 --> 01:39:33.060
to just get in there and crawl you know it's

01:39:33.060 --> 01:39:36.100
just that that is what is going to get you money

01:39:36.100 --> 01:39:41.619
in this country so yeah disappointing it's something

01:39:41.619 --> 01:39:45.439
where i really wish that we would see a lot more

01:39:45.439 --> 01:39:48.180
initiative on the end of australian promoters

01:39:48.180 --> 01:39:52.500
to put on fighters like pyro and really give

01:39:52.500 --> 01:39:57.939
them a boost It's just not going to happen because

01:39:57.939 --> 01:40:00.020
it's not what the people want. They want to watch

01:40:00.020 --> 01:40:01.960
footy players. They don't want to watch actual

01:40:01.960 --> 01:40:08.039
boxing. Tara Moana's number 48. Just to let you

01:40:08.039 --> 01:40:13.859
know. Number 48? 48 in Australia. Yes. Fucking

01:40:13.859 --> 01:40:20.579
crazy. I understand. I understand that he might

01:40:20.579 --> 01:40:25.020
not have the deepest resume at a pro level, but...

01:40:26.179 --> 01:40:29.239
Neither up until last night, really, and even

01:40:29.239 --> 01:40:32.659
up to last night, neither does Nikita Zu to an

01:40:32.659 --> 01:40:36.300
extent, because Terry Moana, he's where he is

01:40:36.300 --> 01:40:40.539
by choice. He would be way higher in that list

01:40:40.539 --> 01:40:42.840
if he was with No Limit, because they would have

01:40:42.840 --> 01:40:45.420
him fighting a bunch of guys from Brisbane and

01:40:45.420 --> 01:40:48.380
from Sydney and whatnot. But the reality is that

01:40:48.380 --> 01:40:51.260
he is fighting on overseas and international

01:40:51.260 --> 01:40:56.340
cards because he is with Matchroom. So... Which

01:40:56.340 --> 01:40:58.619
is probably better for his career in the long

01:40:58.619 --> 01:41:01.119
run. Oh, a thousand percent. I mean, look, he

01:41:01.119 --> 01:41:05.020
could, I'm going to be honest. I think he, it

01:41:05.020 --> 01:41:07.039
would take him like a year and he would probably

01:41:07.039 --> 01:41:10.100
be able to sweep all of the Asia Pacific belts.

01:41:11.159 --> 01:41:15.279
I don't think any of those guys can actually

01:41:15.279 --> 01:41:18.220
handle him. You know, you look at the heavyweights

01:41:18.220 --> 01:41:20.619
that fought last night. How do you think Teramalana

01:41:20.619 --> 01:41:25.789
goes against those guys? I mean. Yeah. I think

01:41:25.789 --> 01:41:27.970
it's a foregone conclusion. We're talking about

01:41:27.970 --> 01:41:30.449
Terry Moana in Talmud, and you saw what Talmud

01:41:30.449 --> 01:41:34.310
did to McKean. So that's like, and no disrespect

01:41:34.310 --> 01:41:36.789
to McKean, great fighter, probably incredible

01:41:36.789 --> 01:41:38.770
dude too, but this is Terry Moana we're talking

01:41:38.770 --> 01:41:42.170
about. And he is not just a guy who is just a

01:41:42.170 --> 01:41:44.829
brawler. Terry Moana, he has come through the

01:41:44.829 --> 01:41:47.810
amateur system of Australia. They've prioritized

01:41:47.810 --> 01:41:49.869
his footwork and strength and conditioning so

01:41:49.869 --> 01:41:53.170
much. He's become so much fitter over the last

01:41:53.170 --> 01:41:56.869
year. and they've been having him gently go against

01:41:56.869 --> 01:41:59.829
a lot of these lower level fighters while he's

01:41:59.829 --> 01:42:03.850
been building this new physique and it's a good

01:42:03.850 --> 01:42:07.649
way to manage his career but yeah unfortunately

01:42:07.649 --> 01:42:09.989
means he won't kick on as much in australia as

01:42:09.989 --> 01:42:15.529
he probably should but i think that he yeah look

01:42:15.529 --> 01:42:18.189
australians will need to know him one way or

01:42:18.189 --> 01:42:19.970
another because he is one of the best we have

01:42:19.970 --> 01:42:25.340
right now Never seen a big armor like that. Goodness

01:42:25.340 --> 01:42:30.560
gracious. Yeah, he's going to be famous, famous.

01:42:30.819 --> 01:42:34.140
I'm sure of it. Oh, yeah. He's got the dance

01:42:34.140 --> 01:42:36.859
moves and everything. He's like... And you wait.

01:42:37.180 --> 01:42:39.300
Australia's going to claim him once he gets famous.

01:42:40.100 --> 01:42:43.140
Oh, yeah. No, they love him. They love big, powerful

01:42:43.140 --> 01:42:47.399
heavyweights. The problem is that if they're

01:42:47.399 --> 01:42:49.520
not constantly in front of people, they're not

01:42:49.520 --> 01:42:53.250
going to get... really they're not going to have

01:42:53.250 --> 01:42:55.170
that light shown on them and that's what they

01:42:55.170 --> 01:42:57.850
need for Terry Moana there needs to be that light

01:42:57.850 --> 01:43:03.810
shown on him and unfortunately it doesn't I don't

01:43:03.810 --> 01:43:05.170
think it's going to be a no limit thing where

01:43:05.170 --> 01:43:08.189
they do that for him because he's not he's not

01:43:08.189 --> 01:43:09.909
with them but he still does fight on these Australian

01:43:09.909 --> 01:43:14.270
cards so yeah we'll have to see how it goes I'm

01:43:14.270 --> 01:43:19.859
optimistic about some guys But there's other

01:43:19.859 --> 01:43:25.739
cases where I'm just like, man... Yeah. I just

01:43:25.739 --> 01:43:28.279
wish there was more support for guys like Pyro,

01:43:28.300 --> 01:43:33.039
Terry Moana, SugarNyx, who are boxers instead

01:43:33.039 --> 01:43:36.239
of all the ex -footy players that seem to be

01:43:36.239 --> 01:43:38.359
able to get all the money they want by just strolling

01:43:38.359 --> 01:43:46.619
into boxing. Nyx is number two for women's pound

01:43:46.619 --> 01:43:51.149
-for -pound in Australia. Who's number one? The

01:43:51.149 --> 01:43:55.590
princess. She should be ahead of Sky. She should

01:43:55.590 --> 01:43:59.810
be ahead of Sky. And I say that like I'm a big

01:43:59.810 --> 01:44:05.750
Sky Nicholson fan, but like the niece will fight

01:44:05.750 --> 01:44:08.850
anyone and everyone and so far every time she's

01:44:08.850 --> 01:44:13.529
delivered. I guess I can't complain too much,

01:44:13.590 --> 01:44:15.850
though. I forgot Skye Nicholson was Australian,

01:44:16.029 --> 01:44:18.130
to be honest. I thought they had ebony bridges

01:44:18.130 --> 01:44:27.090
above her. No. I was confused. That's outrageous.

01:44:31.510 --> 01:44:39.850
Yeah, that is very much how... Things are going

01:44:39.850 --> 01:44:45.449
with Australian boxing at the moment. I think

01:44:45.449 --> 01:44:50.270
that unless we as a country decide that we're

01:44:50.270 --> 01:44:52.829
going to start prioritizing guys who can box,

01:44:52.970 --> 01:44:59.510
that we're going to keep running into this. Yeah,

01:44:59.569 --> 01:45:02.189
it really is disappointing when a country doesn't

01:45:02.189 --> 01:45:09.079
get behind their guys. Yeah. It upsets me. supports

01:45:09.079 --> 01:45:11.479
anyone who decides to live in Canada for two

01:45:11.479 --> 01:45:16.220
weeks. Like, we jump all over that shit. Lennox

01:45:16.220 --> 01:45:18.640
Lewis lived here for years and fought for us

01:45:18.640 --> 01:45:23.399
in the Olympics. I was more thinking, like, Mbili

01:45:23.399 --> 01:45:29.640
and Betterbia. Oh, yeah, true. Oh, I forgot about

01:45:29.640 --> 01:45:33.239
Mbili being there. He's been there for a while

01:45:33.239 --> 01:45:36.819
now, but the day he arrived in Canada, they claimed

01:45:36.819 --> 01:45:47.960
him as a Canadian boxer. Yeah, that's true. But

01:45:47.960 --> 01:45:50.739
yeah, in that case, I think that's the time that

01:45:50.739 --> 01:45:53.159
I've got for today. But I want to say thank you

01:45:53.159 --> 01:45:55.060
so much for letting me onto the show, guys. It's

01:45:55.060 --> 01:45:57.119
really good to talk about that and hopefully

01:45:57.119 --> 01:46:00.500
it shines a bit more light into Australian boxing.

01:46:01.630 --> 01:46:03.949
Where it is at the moment, because I certainly

01:46:03.949 --> 01:46:07.829
think that if we just kept moving in the direction

01:46:07.829 --> 01:46:10.270
of Paro and Teramawana and getting behind them

01:46:10.270 --> 01:46:13.890
as a country, that we'd be fine. But hopefully

01:46:13.890 --> 01:46:18.609
this event makes people realize that. And especially

01:46:18.609 --> 01:46:21.069
Opitaya as well, but I think the Zupa news does

01:46:21.069 --> 01:46:30.609
change that a fair bit. Very disappointed. yeah

01:46:30.609 --> 01:46:33.210
look it's you got to get your money while you

01:46:33.210 --> 01:46:36.829
can and if it wasn't him it was going to be somebody

01:46:36.829 --> 01:46:42.609
else true or maybe it could have been nobody

01:46:42.609 --> 01:46:48.949
in an ideal world sure but unfortunately that's

01:46:48.949 --> 01:46:54.729
you know i know i know could happen in moments

01:46:54.729 --> 01:46:56.489
man anything could happen the moment you step

01:46:56.489 --> 01:47:02.270
inside a ring yeah at least he's getting in on

01:47:02.270 --> 01:47:05.050
the ground floor so he's getting paid well now

01:47:05.050 --> 01:47:08.470
exactly that's it the people that come off the

01:47:08.470 --> 01:47:10.289
end won't get those same deals but definitely

01:47:10.289 --> 01:47:15.930
not no but yeah thank you very much guys i appreciate

01:47:15.930 --> 01:47:18.270
it heaps and i'll see you next time all right

01:47:18.270 --> 01:47:23.949
yeah thanks thank you what if your best thinking

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We're going into the big weekend of boxing. Parting

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words. Parting words. I don't really have much.

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I hope the ring card actually delivers this time.

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Because they've been hit or miss. I hope it's

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a banger. I got a cheer for Beru. This no -name,

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random -ass German guy shows up to claim a title,

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and now he's being thrust into a unification

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fight with the expectation that it's going to

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be an easy one, an easy title to take. That's

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true. I would very much like Beru to prove him

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wrong. I would love if Beru pulls off the upset.

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William Skull, if you're having trouble sleeping,

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that should be fun. That should be fun for you.

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Adam Azeem versus Gustavo Lemos, not a bad fight.

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Adam Azeem continues to step up his competition,

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so that's fun. And Bokrum. Bokrum, Bokrum. Yeah,

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actually, it's a pretty decent weekend of boxing

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and closing out January strong. Yeah. I very

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much enjoy Pro Box kicking it off and them not

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understanding their lane and going for Friday

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instead of going on Saturday like they have done

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in the past. I miss Wednesday boxing. I do too.

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I really wish. I kind of understand why, but

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I really wish they would just go back to midweek

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boxing. But yeah, that card's going to be fun.

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Pro box is always fun, but I really like Suleiman

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Sagawa. I'm excited for the co -main. All right.

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That's going to do it for this edition of Boxing

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Before Dark. we'll see you on the other side