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Alright. Well, well, well, well, well. Boxing
B -Sides back up in your ears. Joined by the
homie Josh. What up? Sorry, I don't know what
was happening. This guy just got a text that
he's not able to crash out right now, but he
brought a crash out text. I'm about to crash
out. And the one and only Saul. So guys, back
for another week. Happy to be here. Holy shit,
let's get right into the fucking news. This feels
odd. Usyk wants to fight Deontay Wilder. It feels
like this is quite a few years too late. I think
give Usyk one bomb fight. He deserves a break
fight. If you look at Usyk's body of work, it
really is only super easy fight. Since he came
into the title picture was Chaz Witherspoon.
I got to say, too, if Usyk fights Wilder, I mean,
it beats the trifecta. He beat the guys. He beat
the three best guys of his era. Yeah, exactly.
So, I mean, no one's going to say he never fought
Wilder. Well, he fought Wilder. He beat him.
If he beats him. I think he's going to beat him,
but if he beats him. As much as I love Usyk,
though, I might have to root for Wilder. Here's
Usyk's run at World Titles fights. He beat Krzysztof
Kloacki, Michu Nu, Hunter, Michael Hunter, Marco
Huck, Maris Britis, Murat Gassiev, Tony Bellew,
then there's the Chaz Witherspoon fight, and
then immediately jumped into Derek Chisora, AJ,
AJ, Dubois, Fury, Fury, Dubois. That's a whole
thing to run. Let the guy have a bum fight. Complete
the set. Yeah, they've had a soft fight in years.
Especially because it's not like he's just picking
out some idiot without a name. At least Wilder
has a name. Obviously not the same Wilder, but
it's still Wilder for the name -wise. One thing
I will say I'm not happy about is obviously Wilder
never deserved it. Yeah. But, I mean, who the
fuck else is there? They fucking take short again.
Bobby Wardley. Bobby Wardley, but it sounds like
they didn't want to put him with Usain. When
you're thinking about, like, what fights you
can take right now when you're looking at your
last two or three fights, because that's what
it is, one of them you can go and actually, like,
have an easy camp and make some easy money. Because,
like, one of his last two fights is going to
be against the Tom or Wardley. It's got to be
either one. Or fucking the Watch Trilogy. Yeah,
like, it's going to be someone who actually deserves
it, or, like, is actually a threat. So, like,
why not, man? Like, why risk it against the slot
machine that is Fabio Wardley? When you could
just, uh... The slot machine that constantly
hits triple sevens? Yeah, like, it's a rigged
slot machine. Like, at least, like, Wilder's,
like, an actual, like, he's a busted down slot
machine. But, like, come on. This is a guy who's
only hit triple sevens. So it is what it is.
Well, that's it for the news. Didn't really have
anything else. Let's get into the fucking recaps
here. First things first, the Tasman card in
Australia. I only picked up three off of this
one. Tara Moana stops Herman Garcia in one. Jason
Maloney gets a stoppage in four over Who Cares?
Who Cares versus Who Cares? N 'Jaya Pataya, KO8.
Fucking big KO. Yeah, fucking killed him, dude.
Kunkara. Kunkara. Why do we keep getting these
fucking bomb fights when... Cruiserweight's kind
of dead. I think he's just waiting to see who
wins from that Badu Jack fight. I doubt it. If
not, he just can't get a good fight at cruiserweight.
Frankly, he should just move up. I'm going to
be so real. You think Gil Patash should move
up? Well, he's just wasting time at cruiserweight.
At least at heavyweight, the end goal for a cruiserweight
is always heavyweight. Move up to Bridger. Bridger's
funny as fuck. Go fight out. Just move up the
heavyweight. It's really like... He weighs in
right at 198. I'm guessing he actually... And
he's a big boy. He'll be a small heavyweight,
but it's better than languishing in Australia
fighting nobody of note. Do you think his power
is going to carry up the heavyweight? Oh, yeah.
It's not... Especially with how scary his knockouts
are. He's definitely going to have some on his
pop. He has bumps. Not bumps, but guys that aren't
at the same level. Yeah, I think it'll... He'll
have a better chance of getting something worthwhile
at heavyweight. Especially now that the division's
starting to open up. Considering that the era's
over, pretty much. Maybe. I think his power will
get better if he moves up. Yeah. If he's not
cutting anymore. Yeah, actually. We'll see. We'll
see. Maybe it does. But I don't think he's going
to go up to heavyweight. I think he wants to
stay at cruiserweight. If he wanted to go up
to heavyweight, he probably would have done that
move by now. Yeah, he would have already. Yeah.
Maybe in the future, but I think he might start
some unfinished business at cruiserweight. All
right. Let's get to the meat of the dish. PBC
on Prime at the Frostbank Center in San Antonio.
Oh. Isaac Lucero gets a stoppage in eight. Frank
Martin ends Uncle Rancis. Thank God. That was
such a good knockout, though. Norman got his
chain stolen for knockout of the year. Might
have, but it was against Rance's Bartholomew.
Jin Sasaki's not great competition, really, either.
Yeah, that's what I mean. At least, say what
you will about Rance's, this guy is such a negative
guy. He's one of those negative guys that you
stopping him is actually a pretty big achievement.
Is that right, though? Especially not the, like...
Yeah, especially, like, Gary Antoine Russell,
like, whatever debatable ref stoppage. Like,
no, here you just killed him. No, that's... Yeah,
that was pretty... That was a scary knockout.
I'm not trying to take away the knockout from...
No, but I understand, like, Bartholomew's been,
like, one of those guys who's stuck around forever
by stinking the place out against these guys.
I do wish that the fight kind of went on a little
longer. I know it sounds silly, but it's Martin's
first fight back in a long time. New division.
And it's at 142. And it's against Reza Bartholomew.
I understand, yeah, it's a tune -up, but a tune
-up, you still need some rounds, you know? I
think you're underrating Bartholomew as an opponent
because of how horrible he is to watch. Am I
really underrating Bartholomew? I think I'm properly
rating him. He's a solid... Like, stopping...
Like, frying Bartholomew like that at 140 is
pretty good. That itself is a pretty commendable
achievement, but it's not like he knocked out
someone. I know. And just the fact that the knockout
was so... The knockout was just, like, that clean
as fuck. It was a clean knockout. That's why
easy KO of the year. It just comes so... It's
just so clean. My thing with Frank Martin is
I'm glad he got the knockout, but against races,
Bartholomew, that's still not the best. He's
not going to get an opportunity at Shakur or
Tao. Well, no, but he can get a Pitbull. He can
even get a Gary Antoine Russell. He can get a
Gary Antoine Russell. Never know what could happen.
I was going to say, Cruz, we're going to get
into this. Cruz is about to be one of the more
manufactured guys I've ever seen. Yeah. But I'll
say this. One thing I will mention is that to
your point about Rancid Bartholomew, I want to
support your point, he did almost knock out Jose
Ramirez. Yeah. I'm not saying he's some all -time
great, but I'm saying knocking him out that brutally
is always a welcome achievement. Yeah. Yeah,
100%. I agree with you. Jesus Ramos, UD over
Shane Mosley Jr. I have mixed feelings about
this. Good to see Ramos back in the win column.
But at the same time, it felt like he struggled
against a pretty mid guy. And it had some trepidation
there. One thing about Ramos is that his power
wasn't working for him this time around. And
since it wasn't working, he had no answers. All
he did was spam the same button. And that was
honestly concerning to watch. Honestly, Mosley
turned up pretty sharp, honestly. Yeah, all respect
to him. He had heart that night. He had heart?
And he showed up sharper than I've seen him in
a while. He gave a damn good performance against
Ramos to the point, I think he almost, not almost
that bad, Ramos. but he had Ramos hurt at one
point. I feel like it's an outlier performance
from Mosley where, like, this is definitely better
than Mosley's ever looked, but he's still Shane
Mosley Jr. Yeah. So, like, you... It's a very...
It's a rare case, but you did catch Mosley on,
like, a career night. I feel like they tried
to set it up to get a knockout for Jesus Ramos.
Yeah. For a guy like Shane Mosley Jr., that's...
I know it's not a... big name, but it's still,
it's mostly Junior. He's been, like, a solid
campaigner around middleweight for a bit. Like,
he's not great, but, like, you know. He's bumped
up with that name. Yeah. But, honestly, I was
watching Ramos, and honestly, I think Ramos is
good, but he needs to be tweaked a little bit.
He needs a little pep in his step, you know?
That was really concerning. It could have been
Ramos and Virgil earlier if Lubin didn't fucking
rob him, bro. Yeah. I don't know. Ramos' career
can still go. It's just, how old is he? Oh, he's
young. He's like 24. Yeah, that's what I mean.
He's still a bit of a work in progress. It's
nothing. Yeah, which is good. It's just that
it is concerning to see that early on right now.
So hopefully they tweak him enough. We'll see.
Depends on his trainer and how he develops. But
I think, again, Mosley giving him a bit of a
scare, a real scare, not just sitting on the
ropes and getting beaten on, is healthy. Yeah,
that's true. Very healthy for his career to get
a bit of a scare from a journeyman having a career
night. He's got that interim title now. You think
they're lighting him up for Adonis? Ooh. That's
an intriguing fight, actually. Yeah, I'd watch
that. Adamas isn't that good. That would probably
be like a co -main fight, honestly. Yeah, that's
a good fight, actually. That's a good fight to
make. Yeah, Benavidez, main. He's almost coming.
Is Benavidez still with PBC? I doubt it. What?
Is Benavidez still with PBC? No, yeah. I'm pretty
sure he's still with Samson, right? He's still
with Samson. Okay, then, yeah. Absolutely, Lenny.
Get Ramos Adamas going on. Oh, man. Other than
Adamas, what else can he do? Laura. I think they
should have put him with Laura this time around.
I don't know why they didn't. That was easy cash
or money for Laura. And we'll talk about it right
now, but that would have been a perfect fight.
Honestly, it could have been better than Janet
Beck -Lara. It would have been really great.
Lara looks so fucking old. They could have put
Johan Gonzalez with Shane Rose Jr. and then...
Robos Lara? Yeah. Yeah, I feel like... You know
what? Yeah, he was already ranked, actually.
Well, you'd have to get the WBA, because it's
the WBA that... The WBA would have to rank Ramos
when he has the interim for the WBC. He's still
ranked on the right or no? Once you hold the
trinket for one sanctioning body, it's tougher
to get a shot at another sanctioning body. You
generally make your way up through one path.
It's why you see you guys hold rankings, but
not trinkets. When you get in that WBZ interim
title, that's a death. That's a death. What's
the word? It's not good. Whatever. It's not good.
It's where you get stuck in the mud. You're just
going to be spinning your wheels. Ramos is a
guy PBC is trying to push and Adamas is on his
way out. Yeah, like Adamas, just age -wise, you
would rather have Ramos over Adamas. Adamas is
31, but he's also like... He hasn't looked the
most solid. He's a perfectly good champion, but
he's clearly vulnerable. Well, so is Ramos, though.
Yeah. But, again, Ramos is, like, five years
younger, and you still have time to work with
Ramos. I think, honestly, because it's Yohan
Lee Hernandez that's in the... He's either going
the IBF or the WBA route. I'm not sure. Probably
the IBF. Middleweight's kind of gridlocked right
now, especially now that Janabek popped and...
Those belts are going to be in fucking limbo
because they're probably not going to strip him.
WBO is not fucking stripping him. Let's be real.
Maybe IBF. IBF don't fuck around. IBF doesn't
fuck around. They're going to strip him as soon
as that B sample comes back. But it's still just
annoying because instead of having one champ,
it's like one champ with three belt. Like, you
know, it's gridlocked. Because now everyone has
to wait for Janabek's doping to have a consequence.
What about Shane Mosley? Because he turned in
a pretty damn good performance. Like, for Shane
Mosley, that was pretty good. Oh, he's probably
going to have another fight. Another, like, meaningful
fight that he'll probably lose. But he's going
to keep getting these, like, mid -level... fights
as a step -up. Frankly, for me, having watched
Shane Mosley Jr. on all those zone cards in the
past, that was a career night for sure. He was
a Golden Boy fighter for a while, right? Yeah.
He just came up short. Nothing wrong with that.
You need guys to both be stern tests, but also
they're not great. They're going to keep you
on your wits. That's it. Yeah, like you need
guys to actually test and push and expose your
younger boys. But it's not like he's never going
to win a world title. That's not the goal for
Mosley at this point, really. Oh, man. Aris Landilara.
Tsk, tsk, tsk. Oh, he's so fucking old. Over
Johan Gonzalez. Two knockdowns. Open the fight
with it and close the fight with it. He's so
fucking old, man. Yeah, he'd looked his age and
Johan was hot garbage. Jesus Christ. Yeah, I
stopped watching. Lara's showing everyone why
you should hate him and why you should love him
at the same fight. Literally the Lara cycle.
Like, oh, fuck Lars. Oh, shit. Looks great. Oh,
shit. He looks great. Oh, my God. And then, like,
right as you're nodding off in the 11th or 12th
round. Oh, my God. He's great. Yeah. Crazy. It's
like fucking breadcrumb in my ass. It's like
one of those chili peppers that, like, it tastes
great when you bite into it. Then you have it
in your mouth and it's horrible, horrible. Like,
it tastes like fucking dog shit. And then once
you swallow it, the aftertaste is pretty good.
Please it's like a very nasty chili pepper if
I had to describe the taste like the flavor,
you know what I mean? So what what happens with
Laura now You cash him out Against who, though?
To anyone. Anyone. It can be Adamas. It can be
Ramos. It can be Crawford. You find a guy and
you cash him out next year because he's not fighting
for another year. And that might be perfect for
Crawford because he's not going to fight for
another year. So you might just fucking fight
Crawford. Yeah, you might as well. Yeah, sorry.
Lara Crawford is going to be a hilarious fight
because there's no doubt in my mind Crawford
beats him. But it would be hilarious if Lara
drops him early. No, that would be fucked up.
That would be hilarious. You'd be like, oh my
god, Lara's going to win. And then while Lara's
cruising, Crawford just beats the shit out of
him. Can we talk about **** again? I don't want
to hear the bullshit about Crawford getting knocked
out. I said knocked down. It's going to be the
Lara cycle. It would be hilarious. Lara catches
him early, and then Crawford just beats on him
for the rest of the fight. And then we can all
laugh and make our gifs about how Crawford's
a chinless bum who loses to pensioners. Yeah,
I don't really have a whole lot. Just Erislandy
Lara. It's about time to get out of here, man.
What are you doing? I know you had the... The
Janet Beck thing, that's not your fault, but...
Come on, man. It could have met him out early.
Yes, absolutely. That's the type of fight you
finish quickly. Talking about Dan? Talking about
finishing quickly? Oh, I think... I don't know
why... Oh, my God, bro. What is it? What is it
with you today? I don't know. Leo brought it
up. He was talking about finish early. Oh, my
God, bro. I swear that's not happening. Hey,
we got to extend it out. This one's kind of light.
This one's not kind of light. We have the fucking
cruise thing. Oh, shit. That's right. Still got
two fights. You're wasting valuable rant time.
And there's valuable rant time with discussions.
Hey, I'm making Patreon time. I'm giving the
Patreon. You're not making Patreon time. You're
making losing sponsor time. Sponsor time? Oh,
yeah. Speaking of sponsors. Oh, my God. Robin,
will you take us back if we get rid of him? I
will leave it if you give me free ramen. If ramen
comes back. Oh, my God. Oh, Shacky Foster beat
Stephen Fulton. A lot of WBC fucking bull jive
going on here. Fulton misses weight and then
they change the fight to be for the vacant interim
135 title you know what at least they're making
up a title it's not like they're just taking
the belt away from someone and giving it to them
they're just making up a belt why What the...
It was obvious they were trying to fucking...
It's not that bad. It's not as bad. Making up
a shitty trinket like participation trophy isn't
that bad. That's an interim title. It was ultimately
to Foster's complete benefit considering Fatboy
Fulton showed up and looked very stoppable. That
was horrible. How the fuck do you miss weight
going up? What the... What kind of fucking...
What the hell is wrong with him? Use code Fulton
on DoorDash, by the way. I saw that. That's funny.
Like, fuck, man. Can Fulton give us a ramen back?
Like, he probably ate all the fucking ramen.
I blame Isaac, bro. I'm insane. That's crazy,
dude. That Fulton missed the weight like that.
Missed the weight by two pounds. Doesn't even
try to, like, make weight the second time. He
made Oshaki Foster look like a fucking pound
-for -pound god. Yeah, after that, like, shows
up fucking rubbing his belly, like, he just,
fuck, dude, I've had it. Fuck the Tims, dude.
Go fucking put on some red shoes. Like, I saw
some questions, where does he go from here? Retirement,
bro. I don't want to see this shit. No, I mean,
again, Fulham, as much as we're going to shit
on him right now, again, he was a great fighter,
but what the fuck happened? He had a good little
resurgence, but, like, this is, like, peak, like,
you're phoning it in. If you can't even be bothered
to show up on weight, you're phoning it in. Like,
your heart is not in it, clearly. I hope the
PBC drops him after this, dude. That's actually
the most – because how are you going to miss
weight and then get an interim title shot, which,
again, that's – you guys say it's a trinket.
That's not really just a trinket. That's an interim
belt where if Shakur goes up and stays at 140,
they're going to keep the belt. Yeah, good pro
Jackie Foster. Yeah, maybe good pro Jackie Foster,
but 4 -1. I thought I saw a poster that the vacant
interim 135 was going to be on the line for some
other card. Kind of like a nothing card. Yeah,
it was supposed to. The WBC does these little
eliminator tournaments that they enjoy doing,
so. They like, this is why they fucking, people
don't like this shit. This is the exact reason
why. Honestly, it's all on Fulton. We don't get
into debates about trinkets and whose rankings
belong where if Fulton just makes weight. Yeah,
yeah. If he shows up to work because it is his
job and part of that job is being on weight,
there's no interim world title, whatever. It's
just a fight for the WBC Superfeather title.
Yeah. And if he lost, so be it. I mean, yeah,
you lost, but to a heavier fighter. Okay. Yeah,
whatever, man. Come on. This is brutal. No, this
is bad for his career. I don't want to see him.
That's bad. Like, let's say what you will. Like,
I'll say, like, Ryan Garcia totally blew weight
with Haney. But, you know, at least he looked,
like, he didn't look lethargic in there. Well,
the thing is, Ryan Garcia also wasn't moving
up in weight to fight. You know what I mean?
He was weight -draining himself. Fucking Fulham
was moving up. That's crazy. Fulham moved up
and still fucked it. Yeah, yeah. I mean, how
many guys do you know move up in weight and then
miss weight? Yeah. In recent memory. I don't
remember any of that shit. This past year, definitely
not. Well, Oshaki Foster. You gotta give what?
I was probably gonna say exactly what we're gonna
say right now. Oh, Shacky Foster, what? Does
he stay at 35? Like, because this interim thing,
eh. He has the full title at 130. Fuck no, he
should stay at super featherweight. He's going
to have better competition there for himself
that he can compete with. It's going to be better.
He's not going to be waiting in line since he,
again, the belts matter. He's going to be, he's
the one. in charge, basically. Yeah, why vacate
your belt to become interim belt? Why wait in
line when you already hit the front? There's
for sure going to be guys moving up just by the
fact that Inoue's making his way up, Nakatani's
making his way up. These guys are going to get
beaten and move up, a la Fulton. So he's going
to get an influx of guys. Hats off to Shaggy
Foster, though. He surprised a lot of people.
Oh, yeah, he looked really good. He looked really
good. Like, Fulton looking bad and Foster looking
good are things that can coexist. Yeah. Fulton
went southpaw, and I was like, damn. I don't
remember this, Oshaki Foster. Fuck, what happened?
So, hats off to him. Respect him. You know, hopefully,
whoever wins against Nava Nunez, maybe he fights
him. You know, I see Oshaki Foster. can keep
it up like this, I think he can do well in the
division. But he needs to keep it up. This was
actually like an entertaining fight from Foster.
Yeah. I thought it was going to be better, but
it was surprising. Yeah. Fulton was not the best.
No, but Foster... A worse guy still makes Fulton
look competent in there. Like, Foster did not
let Fulton into the fight. I will say this, that,
honestly, if Fulton came to actually fight, I
think this would have been a really good fight.
Oh, absolutely. That first round was really good.
I was like, oh, shit. I was like, oh, they're
already going at it? Damn. And then after that,
it was like, Fulton was just fucking doing a
menace round on Stoneyer. He was surviving the
whole night. Sad. But you know what? You had
your time, champ. Where does he go in the boxing
laundry theory? I like Stephen Fulton. This was
a really bad look. But I don't know. I want to
believe that he can come back from this. Otherwise,
he's in the hamper. Oh, yeah. It's getting hard.
Yeah, missing weight. Not even trying to cut
the last few ounces or whatever you can. Maybe
he put on the weight bad, like he just put on
dirty weight. Could be. I don't know. Let's ask
Isaac. Too many cheese sticks. Steve Falcon,
Isaac, bro. Oh, shit. Speaking of Isaac, Isak
Cruz, Lamont Roach. What the hell? Who wants
to go first? I feel like I'm going to have the
least lengthy rant. Least lengthy rant? Lamont
Roach looked pretty good. Not, like... but he
looked pretty good. Isak looked completely incompetent
in there, and he looked oddly lethargic and tired
as the fight went on. As for the result, the
Texas State Commission has always been kind of
a joke, honestly. So it's not even that, like,
Cruz is some kind of protected asset. That argument
comes with his matchmaking, but... It's just
like, yeah, the judging's kind of always been
incompetent in Texas. And again, this is the
same group of people that continue letting Lawrence
Cole referee fights. Like, I think you just have
to say they suck and hope. It's not like Roach's
profile. Roach arguably gets a larger profile
out of these controversial results. It's just
that, like, yeah, it sucks for the record. You
guys, what do you guys have to say? Leah, you
want to go first? You had said something earlier
that I really found intriguing, which was that
he's like a manufactured, the most manufactured
product. Yeah, he's a very protected, I said
he's a protected product due to the matchmaking
that he's had. Okay. Because like, realistically,
like, even Ryo, Ryo was... There's a guy that,
like, you probably expected him to get smoked
by Cruz. Like, they've been giving him guys that
he can beat. And, like, knock over. And, like,
I think Roach, even Roach, Roach is a... You
drag Roach up another weight class. And let's,
like... I'll say that Roach is certainly surprised.
but not impressed with his performances. I feel
like Roach is... The impression Roach gives is
a guy who has such low expectations. You have
such low expectations of him that he ends up
blowing you away performing the way he does.
I had high expectations, especially after the
tank fight. No, but I'm saying going into the
tank fight, like this year. Oh, yeah, okay. yeah
like he's blown you away but like really you
look at him i'm like he probably could have beaten
uh cruz more convincingly he had a defensive
lapse with the knockdown that ended up costing
him the fight as unjust as that was but there
was the point deduction that kind of balanced
it yeah yeah but but i mean like Yeah, like,
Saul's gonna have a rant about the PPC protecting
an asset, but I feel like it's just in the matchmaking
itself that Cruz gets protected. Because, like,
yeah, Roach totally could punch with him, but
there's no moment where you're like, oh shit,
Cruz is getting exposed and beaten up by this
guy. Not that you haven't seen before. Yeah,
like, it's nothing like... Like, and a lot of
his matchmaking are guys that, like, they're
older guys that probably could have been a threat
when they were younger. Guys who, like, they
have no threat, period. Like, I feel like Roley,
Roley was always, like, tailor -made to lose
to Cruz. He's very, and he's popular. You gotta
remember, he's a popular Mexican action fighter.
Well, that's the perception of him, at least.
That's what they're trying to push. The perception
of Cruz is that he's this action fighter. So
it's not in how they cook decisions or whatever,
because be real, this was just an incompetent
decision by an infamously incompetent commission.
But I think he's a very protected asset. They're
not going to put him with Roach again. He was
supposed to knock over Roach. Maybe set up the
tank rematch? Yeah, they're probably going to
set up a tank rematch and Roach... Roach is going
to get an opportunity because, again, I will
say that if he just got the clean win over Cruz,
a lot less people would be saying Roach's name
than being outraged over a bad decision. It's
a... Like, all publicity is good publicity type
thing, especially when you don't lose. Yeah,
he didn't lose a fight. He definitely didn't
lose a fight. That's the main thing. When you
don't lose on paper on the result, it's a lot
easier to cry outrage and have him stay in those
rankings for something bigger. But that's me
having a more balanced take. I hate the Texas
Commission more than I throw blame on anyone
else. Let her rip, Saul. I'm fiending right now.
There's a couple things with this fight that
I had problems with from the start. Putting Isaac
Cruz and Lamar Roach on pay -per -view already
is not a good decision, I think. Obviously, the
PPC is feeding for money right now, just like
all the other promotional companies going against
the Saudi government. And seeing Pippo Cruz turn
into Devin Haney last night was a sight to watch.
Not only did he dance, but he fucking used his
jab. I think that that itself made Josh believe
in God again. But, I mean, come on, dude. That
fight was a great fight. Don't get me wrong.
And I would have been fine with a cross the board
draw. But 116 -111 is fucking bullshit. Or 115
-111. That must mean that without the point deduction,
Cruz would have won the fight. 8 -4. Yeah, 8
-4. That's fucking... Bullshit, you know? Not
to put a plug in the rant, but I have brought
it up on the podcast before. That is inherently
a flaw with how judging functions from their
seats. Again, two of the three judges, as you
can see, can see Cruz in a round, can see Cruz
hitting nothing but air or gloves. Roach is a
huge catch and shoot guy. But if you have Roach's
back, and all you see is Cruz landing. Like,
the perception is him landing. He's not actually
landing. Roach is catching and shooting. Yeah.
But if all you see is Cruz landing, you're probably
going to score the round for Cruz. And particularly,
this is a flaw I find with Texas fights. You
know how usually there's, like, a personal space
bubble around the judges, like at a Vegas event?
Yeah. Like, they don't get in their face. They
just have the disadvantage of seeing the fight
from a bad angle. Texas tends to crowd these
judges, so there's a lot, like, your eye's gonna
wander a little bit. And, like, just the distractions
pile up in addition to the bad point of view,
as well as the fact that Texas clearly has less
stringent standards for judging, that, like,
you get shitty decisions. Well, one thing I will
say, too, is that a lot of people in the crowd
thought Pitbull won. Sean Tatello, a guy that
I admire, I respect him a lot. He said that he
thought Pitbull won. Which, I mean, if you're
in the crowd, obviously, that might be different.
Pitbull was throwing more. And sometimes it looks
like a lands, but obviously not. That's the catch
-and -shoot style that Roach has. And again,
if you're seeing it in person from an angle,
if all you see is the fist getting to the target,
that's going to be a scoring shot for Cruz compared
to... With the reality, from the view we get,
where the camera can clearly catch from a preferential
angle and good lighting, Roach catching the shot
and shooting back. Yeah. But what I will say,
though, is it's fucking fishy to me that... How
many guys, besides Mario Barrios, of course,
which this is also playing to the topic, how
many guys, you know, get back -to -back fucking
majority draws against guys that... are from
the same promotional company, you know? Are you...
I feel some weird shit going on, dude. Because...
Why the fuck do you fight Tank, get a majority
draw? Okay, whatever. You come back, you fight
Pitbull. Last four rounds for Pitbull? Really?
Even if you're fucking blind, you can see that
fucking Lamar Roach could have won at least one
of those rounds. That is clear as day robbery.
Okay? That knockdown was equaled out. Yeah, shitty
decision. And I think, honestly, if you just
gave it a clear across -the -board draw, everybody
would have been fine. Nothing would have been
wrong. But a fucking majority draw? That's some
bullshit. It's just how you arrive at those decisions
that, like, obviously it's a horrid decision,
but I'm saying, like, the judge is looking at
it from the point of view of round by round.
Yeah. Not by the total punches landed. Yeah,
so I mean, like, if you end up, like, absolutely,
like, you can, it can be a close, because it
was pretty close when you look at it from, like,
the perception of, like, who is landing scoring
shots ringside. So, like, it's like, okay, it
was a close round, but I'm shading it to Cruz.
Close round, I'm shading it to Cruz. Close round,
I'm shading it to Cruz. That's three rounds that
go to Cruz now. And, like, the thing is that,
like, it can happen in the other direction, too,
where, like, And you see it happen a lot, and,
like, that was a close fight. Why was it so lopsided?
Well, because, like, it was a close fight, but
one guy shaded, like, eight rounds. Yeah. So,
from the judge's point of view. So I feel like,
again, the discussion is both Texas needs to
do a better job on training and certifying officials,
just generally. And, again... overhauling judging
doesn't mean more judges or AI judges. It just
means give judges a neutral view that actually
represents the fight and not just you get the
backs of the fighters for two -thirds of the
damn thing and you're probably guessing. Oh,
yeah. I agree, I agree. But honestly, this whole
year, honestly, with PBC cards is kind of odd
because I always did that three main events in
one year you get a majority draw. You know? Sometimes
it's just the luck of the draw. Like, you look
at probabilities. That's crazy, though. Two times
with the same fighter as well. Like, if you do
probability, if you run probability, you know,
like, when you shuffle a playlist and you don't
get any repeats, that's actually it being manipulated
because you're more likely to get repeats of
the same occurrence. And the same thing happens
here. Like, sometimes we get, like, we've gone
how many years with, like, minimal draws in these
cards? Of course there's going to be a bad year.
But two times with the same fighter. You know
what I mean? That's fishy to me. That's just
how Roach fights, though. He's a catch -and -shoot
fighter, which means the judges are going to
see those shots landing when they don't. Honestly,
this fight was a lot harder to score than fucking
Tank and Roach. I found it the opposite. Like,
Tank, like... Like, this one was pretty clear.
Like, Roach was making his work pretty clear.
If you were looking at his angle, where, like,
Tank... Like, with a Tank fight, it really depends
on what your judging criteria is. Yeah. Because
the thing is that, say what you will about Roach,
like, Roach and everything, Tank didn't give
him much to catch and shoot off of, and, like,
it was a pretty cagey fight compared to the Cruz
fight, where... You either saw Roach catching
and shooting, or you saw Roach getting touched
up. Yeah. So, like, again, it's an easy fight
to score on what you saw. But it's still... In
a just world, there'd be a rematch not in Texas.
And in an even juster world, the judges would
be in a booth where they got a video feed. A
neutral video feed. So they can actually see
the fight without the ropes and the officials
and the backs of fighters blocking them. We should
put that in the Oli Reform Act. Yeah. No, they're
going to put AI judges. Training data Mike Tyson
highlights. So now Isak Cruz can win unanimous
decisions instead of draws. I think I agree with
what Josh said about Isaac Cruz being manufactured
to an extent because the PBC, they need a fighter
that will bring him money. And Isaac Cruz, if
he was a more skilled fighter like Canelo, he
can do that. And he can possibly become a star
with the Mexican community, which he's not a
star. People weren't buying me to go grill for
this fight, at least from what I've seen. But
unfortunately, that's just the way the cookie
crumbles, you know? It is what it is. Lamont
Roach gets another majority draw. I hope it doesn't
discourage him. I hope it, if anything, it encourages
him more to come back and fight even harder.
Yeah. Because he got fucked. Lamont got fucked
royally this year. Oh, yeah. He's probably the
only guy to ever win fighter of the year off
of two draws. He might be, yeah. He genuinely
might be, man. I don't know. We'll see what happens
with him. What do you think goes next, Mayor?
I was going to ask. 140. Who has the WBC belt?
Surreal Matias. This is the interim. If you really
want to be mean to Cruz and finally get rid of
him, put him up against Matias, dude. That would
be a fun -ass fuck fight. It would be really
fun. He's getting decimated against Matias. That
would be fun as hell. He might just knock out
Matias. You never know. Sure. Dude, Cruz has
a fucking rock -solid head. TKO by broken hands.
Yeah, you never fucking know. It's crazy right
now, that dude. Big -ass fucking... Dude, he
really put up the Pitbull name, fucking wagging
his tail and sticking out his tongue. Barked
for Lamar Roach. Honestly, I think as fun as
he is and as good as he is for selling tickets,
I think it's... The same way I rag on BritBox
manufactured guys, where I want you gone, I want
Cruz gone in a similar way. No, I think Cruz
is a perfect undercard fighter. Yeah, like, at
some point, it's not... Yeah, but the thing is
that, like, how many of his recent fights have
been, like, actually fun? Fierro was... I was
gonna say Angel Fierro was a good one. Fierro?
Yeah. Yeah. But his last one was... Ryo, he looked
like shit. Cabrera, he looked like shit. Salcido
Gomez, he looked like shit. He looked like shit
with Rode. Like, it's... It's guys that fight
like him. He has a very specific style that he
meshes with. I'd rather just not run the gamble
of having to watch him underperform every other
fight because the guy doesn't fight exactly tailored
to getting knocked out. I'm not going to be a
hypocrite and support him because he's not British.
He's very much the manufactured mold of some
of these British guys. Yeah, they look good when
they're against guys made for them. Not as fun
when they're against guys who can actually box.
Honestly, if they want to, they could put him
with GAR. But that's a decimation. Honestly,
I feel like if they put Lamont... Oh yeah, 100%.
If they put Lamont with GAR, that would be an
interesting fight. That's what I mean. I'm saying
Lamont will end up with a better opportunity.
But maybe not a bigger one. I want to see Lamont
in a tank fight, but I really don't think it's
possible if tanks didn't even come back. I don't
even think tanks are going to come back unless
it's against straight trash. He's not going to
want to fuck with that cookie again. But he might
fucking fight. He could fight GAR. Get another
majority to draw. Alberto Puello. Yeah, that's
a good one too. Puyo for Roach is good. That's
good. Yeah. They'll probably give it to Puyo.
For some fucking reason. Majority draw. No, just
a Puyo decision. They like doing that with Puyo.
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Well, in the previews, we have on the 18th, ProBox.
It's back, baby. Um, I'm looking at... That should
be fun. And headlining Ramon Cardenas' back versus
Eric Robles. I only really know who... I only
know a handful, like one or two of these guys,
but pro box to it. It's going to be good matchups.
We interrupt our program to bring you this important
message. So, some of the stuff that we got to
cut in here. First, just to get it out of the
way, there's a Taken card on December 17th. It's
a Wednesday. It'll be, like, on the West Coast.
It'll be, like, at 1 in the morning. Something
like that. Where is it in the outline? It's in
the bottom half. Bottom half, yeah, taken. Okay,
yeah, yeah. So we talk about it more at length
on Boxing Before Dark, but really the only two
I'm tracking here are Anthony Olaskwaga vs. Taku
Kuwahara and Seiya Tsutsumi vs. Nonito Donair.
Jesus Christ, Donair is still fighting. 43 years
old, man. Yeah, no. Tsutsumi should absolutely
watch him. Yeah, you'd think. Shinada's betting
that Donair's left hook is still an active missile.
Donair getting a meme knockout would be so bad
for this division. Would be pretty funny, though.
It would be so funny. Shinada loves Tsutsumi.
Oh, Shinada would die, too. She'd probably kill
herself in the park. There's another title fight
down the bill. Kiyosuke Takami versus Rene Santiago.
The WBO light flyweight title on the line. Light
flyweight, yeah. Ola Squaga's the flyweight champ
for WBO. And the Tsutsumi Donair fight is for
a WBA interim bantamweight, I think. Yes. Kind
of still crazy that Donair's getting these title
shots, but, you know. Name value, I guess. Yeah.
Yeah, it's Donair. It's Donair. The other card
is No Limit Boxing in Australia at the TikTok
Entertainment Center. Gross. They just banned
social media for teenagers, too. Yeah, under
-16s. Fucking hilarious. I don't know. Let's
see. On this one, Kevin Mazudier, or Cohen Mazudier,
excuse me. He's always a fun scrap, but he's
not anything great. Just tracking the top two.
Sam Goodman versus Tyler Blizzard. Man, fuck
Sam Goodman. Yeah, I should not deny your team,
Blizzard. Yeah, no, fuck Sam Goodman. He wasted
like a year of Inoue's prime. Yep. Not pleased
with him. But he does have a lot of experience,
and Tyler Blizzard is, yeah, not so much. And,
yeah, 27, 10 -0 with four KOs. Rough. Rough.
And in the main, Tim Zhu, he's back at middleweight.
Versus Anthony Velasquez. Cuban. Cuban Tim Zoo.
Yeah. Timoteo. Oh, Jesus. Yeah, it's going to
be interesting to see what the Cuban coach put
into his toolkit. And how his power carries up
at middleweight. Because he was a big puncher.
Yeah. He was a big -ish puncher at 154. We'll
see how it goes. Hopefully we see Zubzak come
back in some way, shape, or form. The middleweight
stinks. Middleweight stinks. If he's not completely
ruined, then it's not unrealistic that he'll
pick up a belt. Bye -bye, Laura. Oh, yeah, going
up the PBC route. Or he could scoop up whatever
vacancies Janabek leaves over. For a second,
I could say he's going to kill Kurt Scooby. What?
You're thinking of like Emma Williams if you're
talking about 160 guys. Yeah. I'm pretty sure
they're saying that Emma Williams is going to
fight Adamis next. Yeah. It's an interesting
fight. Interesting matchmaking. Yeah. I would
have never expected that, but, you know. Oh,
it is what it is. Yeah. Ammo's with Matchroom?
Mm -hmm. Yeah, makes sense that they got him
into a title shot. Honestly, it'll probably be
see how this comeback goes, then Zarafa for another
easy touch, and then see who's open for a big
fight. Oh, that's what I forgot about Zarafa.
That's right. It's going to be like Zarafa's
there, he's ranked. I don't know. It's not. Yeah,
two easy touches and then see what they can make
of it. Yeah. But that one's also on Wednesday,
December 17th. Probably starting around the same
time as the Japanese card. Looking at the length
of them, we should be able to get through the
Japanese card before Tim Zhu comes out. Yes.
That timing should work out decently. But the
main dish that we did not get to in the main,
when we recorded the main part, Friday, December
19th, MVP on Netflix in Miami. Jake Paul versus
Anthony Joshua. What's it about? What's it about?
By the board of, what do they call it? Florida?
What do they call it? Florida State Athletic
Commission? I don't know. Yeah, the ones who
will let anything fly. If we don't see Jake Paul
knocked out by round two, the fight is rigged.
I don't know, man. Oh, my God. If we're getting
into rigged fights with Jake Paul, none of them
are rigged. His matchmaking is just that. His
management is just that good. Okay, let me ask
you this. How would AJ knock out someone like
Francis Ngannou, who is at least a legitimate
fighter? I mean, I'm not saying... Stationary
target, I will say. Jake Paul is not that good
of a fighter. I mean, he's a fighter. I would
say now he's proven himself as some legitimate.
However, I would argue that Francis Ngannou was
a little more legitimate of a fighter. A lot
more of a legitimate fighter. I think in regards
to boxing, they end up being about the same.
Ngannou's one of the watched MMA guys that Jake
would fight. I don't know about that, but I'll
say this, that Jake Paul, if he's not out by
round two, then that's going to be winning for
him in my book. I think it would be probably
the funniest thing in history if AJ got taken
out. Oh, that would be so fucking sad. It'd be
so funny. I'll be right there in the chat with
Jake Paul Mafia. Fucking Jake Paul Mafia. That
gif is going triple platinum. Jake Paul versus
Tyson Fury, and then he beats Tyson Fury by 2
-6. And then that's the fight of the century.
We finally get undisputed at one heavyweight
if he fights more than me. That's like a Hall
of Fame run. I just, oh my god. See, that's the
thing. Like, I want humor. This fight's rigged.
This fight's rigged. So, I'm like, no, that's
just the matchmaking being that good. Okay, you
told me that AJ, a guy who's fucking been in
the Olympics, knocked out bigger, better guys
than Jake Paul. Do you like it or not? The Olympics
in, like, quotations, man. Like, I just saw Frazier
Clark lose to a guy worse than Jake Paul. I'm
insane. The other week. I'm insane. Frazier Clark
literally, like, saved, like, Olympic pedigree,
whatever. lost to a guy worse than Jake Paul
the other week. Come on. Like, I'm just saying,
it's ridiculous, but, like, it's, like, like,
the matchmaking, we'll be looking at it in hindsight,
being like, oh, AJ just soaked a really bad knockout,
was out of the ring, had the cut weight for the
first time ever, even though it's basically the
same as taking a shit. Like, hindsight can easily
vindicate this if you think about it. Like, we
can't... We can't be all in on AJ's going to
kill this guy because we're going to look really
stupid. We got to think about all the factors
that would apply in hindsight. Well, I'm thinking
that it's not going to be. I think it's going
to go to decision. I got a feeling. There's no
way that's going to be by knockout. There's got
to be some sort of clause in there. Oh, my God,
bro. This is the tinfoil. Nah, come on, dude.
How the fuck do you not knock out Jake Paul?
How the fuck do you not knock him out? Well,
it's easy. It's the same way you take seven rounds
to take out Robert Hellenius coming off a fight.
Coming off a bad knockout. Come on, dude. Jake
Paul barely knows the fundamentals. So do half
of the heavyweights in the world. Don't humor
me, man. Come on. You're going to tell me. I'm
so in for the funniest possible result happening.
I mean, I'll be funny as fuck to see AJ get knocked
out. Like, I'm so in on the funniest things happening.
Especially because I'm like, you know what? I'm
fine with Jake Paul keeping his interest in boxing
for what he does for the women's side of the
sport as well. I gotta give Jake Paul for taking
the fight in the first place, you know? That's...
Whether you like it or not, it's ballsy. It's
a tough task, for sure. Yeah. Honestly, I think
as much shit as I've ever given to Jake Paul,
as fucking my whole life that I've known Jake
Paul, I gotta respect him for this. Because he's
putting his life on the line, no matter what,
you know? Again, 10 -4 or higher, it can still
be rigged, but he's still putting it on the line.
We always forget that this is... a life and death
situation at times, you know? And you can fucking,
you never know, you know? So I got to give it
to him. I'm just going to say, like, I'm like,
it's obvious, the result is so obvious on paper.
But, like, I feel like if it ends up being, like,
complete sideways, out of nowhere, like, AJ looks
like shit and then dies. Like, in hindsight,
it's going to be a lot of coke when, like, all
the factors that would contribute to AJ being
shot as shit and looking bad enough are there.
I mean, certain things happen, you know. Tommy
Morrison fought, what was that guy's name? Michael
Bent. Not Michael Bent. Tommy Morrison fought
a guy that was in the crowd. Yeah, but that guy,
like, that was a carry job for Morrison. Yeah,
but I'm just saying, strange things happen. Yeah.
No, I'm saying, like, there's the perfect mix
of AJ could just not take him seriously. He's
older. How old is he again? 35, I think. 36.
He's 36. He's taken several beatings, particularly
his most recent one, and he always looks worse
off long layoffs as well throughout his career.
He's been in wars. He's taken beatings. He just
took, like, that knockout was really bad for
a fragile... Let's fucking entertain this for
just one second, okay? If Jake Paul wins, let's
say by knockout or decision, whatever, he wins.
That ranks him in the heavyweight division, no
doubt about it. Oh, I cry laughing, though. Like,
first I pissed myself. Side -splitting hilarious.
I'd honestly go kiss Dan Raphael if that happens,
dude. I'm not gonna lie. If that happens, I'm
going crazy. Oh, my God, bro. Like, I'm gonna
say, like, in hindsight, like, should Jake Paul
win or even look competitive? In hindsight, we're
gonna be looking at a lot of these factors. Like,
Joshua... Hasn't fought in a while. He's taken
some really bad beatings. He's older. He's never
been that super durable. It's the Florida Commission,
which means we might get a fun little incompetence
show from judges and referees. Right, yeah. AJ's
never fought. He fought once outside of the UK.
But, like, Florida weather is different than
the U .K. No, the human energy shouldn't bother
him because U .K. is pretty humid. Yeah. Let's
say Jake Paul wins. Who would he fight next?
Or Lee? I don't know. I think he just retires.
He retires on top like that. That would be too
funny. Like, you can't top the hilarity at that
point. I mean, he would make a shit ton more
money if he won and then fought someone like
Tyson Fury. That would make a shit ton of money,
way more than this fight. That would be comical,
though. Tyson Fury, 6 '9", standing in front
of Jake Paul. 6 '1", Jake Paul. And then he gets
a shot at Usyk for some fucking reason. Oh, my
God. Hey, listen, if Usyk, like, Jake Paul, Usyk,
and then, like, Usyk super, like, he's cleared
out his era and the next era. Guys, I see it.
I see it. I see it, okay? You know how they're
doing the Anthony... This just in, by the way.
The Anthony Joshua Fury are, I guess... Yeah,
the Turkey Curse, too. Has two fights planned
for both of them. Yeah, the Turkey... The Turkey
Curse. There's so many things that could... Little
things that could just go wrong there. I'm not
giving Jake Paul... Like, I don't think he has
the ability to win. I just think there is a,
like... Non -zero chance. There's a very obvious
and present set of reasons that could create
the conditions for AJ to look horrible. I got
an idea for a doubleheader, okay? You have AJ
fight Justice Huni, okay? Oh, my God, bro. And
in the main event, you got Jake Paul versus Tyson
Fury for... The Battle of America. There you
go. Why Justice Hootie, though? That's a random
shout. Nah, give him Gassiev, dude. AJ Gassiev
would be a good tune -up. That way you have a
trinket. Then yeah, Gassiev. Trinket. He just
fought. In New York. Or the fucking White House.
On the 4th of July. Boom. Making a fucking shit
ton of money. Boom. Point is, the result should
obviously be AJ decimating Jake Paul, but should
it not be, the reasons are there for it to not
be. Like, we could totally have AJ showing up
looking like Chris Eubank because he got fat
during his layoff. His year and a half layoff
after getting brutally knocked out. So could
Jake Paul reasonably ask Anthony Joshua if he
has any excuses tonight? Oh, my God. See, I would
be making that edit, like, as the fight happened.
Oh, with editing software. That would go triple,
triple platinum. Realistically, let's say Jake
Paul knocks out AJ. How big of an upset would
that be? The odds right now, I think it's like
a minus 900 for AJ to win. The odds aren't that
good because Vegas wants a lot of idiots to put
their money on Jake. Makes sense. Like, if you
make it attractive enough to bet on, they'll
bet. Yeah, I mean... Because if you make them
super wide, gamblers are going to be like, oh,
it's not ever happening. They just look at the
number. That's all I got to say about this fight.
It's hilarious, and I hope the worst possible
result happens. Well, I'm just saying, if AJ
don't knock him out, I seriously got to think
that's rigged. There's no way he doesn't knock
him out. Come on. I'm going to list guys worse
than Jake Paul. Like, probably his first 10 fights
are all guys. Like, up until Kevin Johnson, all
those guys are worse than Jake Paul. Eric Molina,
he took three rounds to destroy Eric Molina.
And Eric Molina is for sure worse than Jake Paul.
Sure about that. Why is Jake Paul better than
these guys? Let me ask you that. Jake Paul can
throw a jab. and a cross, and a hook, and, uh,
I say, like, Eric, like, Eric, are we really
defending Eric Molina? Like, Alfred Molina, the
actor, fights better than he does. Is, is, is,
is fucking Jake Paul better than, than, than
Chisora? No. But, again, like I was saying, I'm
looking at guys who AJ actually fought. These
are all guys that AJ fought. Same. But, this
is, I just want to see it. Like, this is the
circus I will be tuning in for. Oh, it's a circus,
all right. I mean, honestly, this is a lot more
interesting than fucking Jake versus Tank, in
my opinion. Oh, yeah. Because AJ can actually
kill Jake. That's crazy. God, imagine if AJ shows
up looking like Eubank did for the second Ben
fight. All gaunt and... There's no way he's going
to be fucking careful. He just shows up looking
dead, dude. I'd cry. I want to see a Vladimir
Klitschko KO. Fucking where his head goes up
and stretches the neck. You mean where he gets
knocked down? Yeah. That was nice. I want to
see some shit like that. I doubt Jake would let
him off the hook like Klitschko did, though.
If the fight goes like that. Boxing needs a knockout.
Well, boxing needs a knockout from either one,
actually. If Jake were to knock out Anthony Joshua,
I think a lot of people are going to be like,
holy shit. They're probably going to start actually
tuning in for his fights. People are going to
wake up to the fact that heavyweight kind of
sucks. That or they might just say that. How
many years have we been humoring heavyweights
being good? I think we cope because of Usyk.
Yeah, no, Usyk is good. That's why he's... I'm
saying heavyweights generally, people are going
to wake up to the deficiencies of the average
heavyweight. Well... Finally, finally. It's only
been like 40 years of the perpetual debate on
whether heavyweights are good or not. Well, you
have one good heavyweight and you have like a
million other. Yeah, but that's the thing. A
lot of people believe that generally heavyweights
are good. There was the whole debate over Tyson
Fury on the pound -for -pound list. Sure, he's
good for heavyweight, but most of it comes from
just being huge. Would Sebastian Pandora do good
in another division? I don't know. I probably
don't think so. Like, if you shrank him down
and it was just his skills, that's the whole
pound -for -pound argument. Yeah. In all honesty,
Sebastian Fedora is just being saved by that
matchmaking. So, like, Usyk's skill set works.
Just, like, it's so obvious that it would work
at, like, any size. Usyk, Crawford. But, like,
guys who are like, oh, Tyson Fury, like, the
heavyweights belong on pound -for -pound. They
generally don't. So would you put Jake Paul higher
on the pound -for -pound list than Tyson Fury
for your son? You know what? If he beats Anthony
Joshua by knockout, sure. I might just rate Jake
Paul. I'll put him in at number 10 on my pound
-for -pound list if he beats Anthony Joshua.
No, he's a legend. He's a boxing legend if he
does that shit. I'm just calling it right now.
Oh, my God. That is so fucking legendary. I'd
cry. I'd cry, actually. some shit like AJ or
Jacob Wilder. Oh, my God. Literally, anything
is possible. Isn't that show how much we don't
believe in AJ? I don't know, man. I've watched
fighters turn old overnight after less harmful
performances on lesser layovers. Leo, you've
been kind of a little bit silent on this. You've
got to tell us your opinion, man. I'm leaning
towards this can only go bad for Joshua. I'm
thinking if it goes to round four or beyond,
we've got to start questioning what Anthony Joshua
is really doing. I don't give Jake Paul all that
much chance. Non -zero, but it's not a lot. Yeah,
like, it's not, it won't be Jake that wins. It's
totally, like, any of the factors present in
this fight conspiring. Yeah, for AJ to lose.
Yeah. All right. Let me just run down the card
real quick, because there's actually, like, for
women's fights, this is actually pretty stacked.
They're pretty good. Yeah, so moving down the
bill, Alicia Baumgartner versus Leila Bodoan?
I don't know. I think I got it. Uh, this is for
three. Yeah. Should not have set me straight
on that one too. Um, three of the four titles
on the line here. Uh, Sharnika Johnson versus
Amanda. Oh, I don't know if that's a double L
like a Y I'm going to go with. I, okay. I don't
know with a name like Amanda. I'm not sure. Yeah.
But this one's for undisputed at Bantamweight.
Uh, Yocasta Valle. versus Yadira Bustillos at
minimum. Caroline Dubois, the WBC lightweight
champion versus Camila Panata. And Avious Griffin,
who just has a cool name. Anderson Silva versus
Tyron Woodley. Oh, fuck. Oh, my God. Two bums,
but lovingly. I'm on a... Team Spider on this
one. Anderson Silva. I'm team going to get food
for this one. It's listed everywhere at the bottom,
so I don't know. I'm team going to go bully Isaac
for getting food for this one. I'm going to be
honest. I'm going to be in Seattle. I'm going
to be overseas for this one. Not overseas. Fuck.
Overstate. What? Yeah, I'm not gonna be... I'm
gonna watch you, but I'm gonna watch you on my
phone. Yeah. So, yeah, so... Legally. Actually,
I can't make that joke this time. It is on Netflix.
Yeah, no, I actually am gonna be watching it.
Yeah. They are sucking the money out of my ass.
I'll be honest. I've bought a lot of the pay
-per -views this year. A lot of the major ones.
Man, I paid, like, three years at DAZN back when
it was new, so, like, I'm not paying for anything
ever again. Yeah, that's true. Well, actually,
I don't want to get flamed for this, but actually,
my grandpa has a DAZN account. But the thing
is that, like, it has other uses. Like, it has
F1 and the NFL on it in some countries. Yeah,
but my grandpa don't be watching F1. Oh, so then
you're just wasting your fucking money. Yeah.
That's all we got. Two bums, generally. Special
edition of the Boxing B -Sides? Yeah. Cutting
back to the regular programming. Yeah. Robin,
come back. Sorry, Robin. The WBC Grand Prix Finals
on the 20th. Fuck, I haven't been keeping up
with the tournament. Have you guys been watching
it? I watched Eric Bazarin get fried early on,
and that was the highlight of my joy. Fucking
the heavyweight final, Kevin Ramirez versus Ahmed.
Kernjik. Oof. Featherweight final. Muhammad Kaumili
versus Brandon Mejia. Super lightweight. Muhibilo
Tusurnov versus Carlos Utrea. And middleweight's
Derek Pomerleau. He's... I recognize that name.
Versus Dylan Biggs. Let me see. Australian middleweight.
Lost to Nikita Siu by knockout. Jesus. That's
not good. Yeah. In 2023. Stopped in five rounds.
His last opponent actually is a pretty entertaining
name. Says here, Lancelot Proton de la Chapelle.
Lancelot. That's a pretty good name. That's a
pretty good name. Other than the Grand Prix Finals,
there's a Salida Promotions card on DAZN. Two
fighters I recognize, Michael Coffey. He's not
very good heavyweight, but... Oh, yeah. I still
remember when PVC tried to push him on an undercard
and he got exposed almost immediately. Gotta
support my boy anyway. Tony Harrison versus Brian
Chavez. Tony Harrison quietly rebuilding his
career. Oh yeah. That's it though. It's another
light weekend. We're getting close to the end
of year stuff that Japan likes to do. That stuff's
gonna be good. Yeah, there's going to be some
fun stuff on the Japanese side of the house,
so we'll have that as it comes. But let's see
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Alright, parting words. Roblox good. I would
hope that in the future they get better. They
need to stop this bullshit. Who needs to get
better? Everybody needs to get better. Refs,
judges, everybody. Yeah. Man, we can't let the
Saudis get ammunition or the TKO guys get ammunition
to fuck over the sport. They're laughing at this
shit. Oh, yeah. We're making it easy. You have
to at least make it hard. The thing is, say what
you will about the Saudis, they will fold under
adversity. If Turkey's soccer team venture is
anything to be said. But you have to give them
the adversity. They're already starting to pull
back, aren't they? Yeah. That's what I'm saying.
You need, like, they're starting to make concerns
about profit and everything. You just need to,
like, don't give. You just have to push. Before,
they would have fucking, how many fights on the
card? Now they only have four. Yeah. You know?
Yeah, they don't have any stack top to bottom.
They don't have any M &M walkouts. No crazy promos
anymore. That's the one thing I really liked
about the Saudis was the promos. They stopped
with Ryan Garcia. We'll see. We'll see what happens.
Well, it's another light weekend, so I'm going
to suggest going outside. Yep. Enjoy the snow
or the sun, depending on where you are. Pro Box
is on Thursday, and so you got a good free weekend
here. Again, both of these cards, the Grand Prix
Finals and the Salida card, they're both on DAZN.
DAZN will be there when you get back. Yeah, go
outside. If you can do other things, fucking
do other things. This is not a weekend to lock
yourself up to watch. Watch Box. Mediocre Box.
Alright. On that grim note, that's it for this
edition of the Boxing B -Sides. We'll fucking
see you on the other side when we're getting
more excited for the end of the year. Fucking
trophies.