This shit ain't nothing to me, man. This is Boxing
Before Dark. Boxing. Boxing. Boxing. Back. Back.
Back. Back. Back. Before. Before. Before. Before.
Boxing. Boxing. Boxing. Boxing Before Dark. This
is Boxing Before Dark. Okay. I am ready, Leo.
Are you ready? I'm ready. Well, well, well. It's
Boxing Before Dark. Back up in your ears. Yeah,
we're back, bitch. Shannara, how are you doing?
How's life in Japan as you count down to your
return? It's alright. It's pretty good. Christmas
market in town, so I might go check that out
this weekend. And my ticket for Tsutsumi Donair
should be here in about three hours. Is it coming
by, like, official mail or something? Yeah, they
tried to deliver yesterday, but I was at work.
You gotta sign for the tickets, usually. Yeah,
makes sense. It does. Certified mail, yeah. Yeah.
But I also have a t -shirt coming, so... Extra
have to sign. Oh, you know who's about to sign?
Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua. It sounds like
the Saudis are gonna be funding the event. For
those two to fight. This is breaking news for
me. I hadn't heard this. Yeah, it's 2026. Allegedly,
each of them are going to have a fight before.
I guess to shake the cobwebs loose. Well, Fury's
retired again, isn't he? Right. I'm not sure
what number they gave him, but it sounds like
this is moving ahead. Nice. So we're finally
going to see it. Who are you backing in this
one? Probably Anthony Joshua, even though he's
going to lose. Yeah, that's how I'm feeling too.
This fight has to happen. It should have happened
10 years ago, but it has to happen. Hence an
exaggeration. I swear to fucking fuck, if it
happens in Saudi Arabia, I'm going to lose my
fucking mind. That would be the dumbest shit
they have ever done. Yes. That would be incredibly
stupid. Fury AJ has to happen in England. That's
a, whatever, Wembley Stadium fight. Yeah. Man,
that would be massive. Yeah. But of course, they're
going to end up doing it in fucking Riyadh because
of sports washing. That will be the dumbest thing
they've ever done if that happens. Like, worse
than the concerts, worse than fucking everything.
Yeah, I don't like it. I have the feeling that's
what's going to happen. I don't like it. No,
that should definitely be in the UK. Not even
the UK. That should be in London. Yeah, the train
from Manchester is only like an hour and a half.
So you guys can... It's not that bad. Fucking
deal with it. Yeah, it's not that bad. Whiny
UK people. My grandmother lives 40 minutes away,
so I haven't seen her for a decade. Yeah, the
old adage of, for us, 100 years is a long time.
For them, 100 miles is a long way. Yeah, yeah.
100 miles is nothing. Yep. Both Chief and Robbie,
they both kind of like, their heads exploded.
And I was like, yeah, I used to do that daily,
like 50 miles one way. Yeah, to go to work. To
go to work, yep. Yeah, easy. Oh, well. Yeah,
just throw in a book or a podcast or something
and makes the time go by pretty quickly. Try
not to hit any deer. I guess you probably lived
where there's people. Yeah, for me it was Salt
City, but... Try not to hit any people. Yeah.
Speaking of hitting people, Betterbeof has decided
that the people he wants to hit... Are Bevo or
Benavidez? I mean, that's kind of the only ones
left, right? Those are the only options. They
have to be. Those are the only options left.
I don't want to see the trilogy. I don't care.
I think Bevo won both of those fights. Right.
I agree. I'd rather see Benavidez. That'll be
fireworks. Something new. Who can hit hard first?
I did see this thing about Benavidez calling
out Ben Whittaker. Whittaker. That's a weird
call -out, isn't it? It is absolutely a weird
call -out. I don't get it. But... Didn't he call
out Zerto? Didn't he say he was going up? Yeah,
okay. Because I know I get him confused with
a couple other people, but... Yeah. I don't know.
All that stuff up there is just, like, nobody
cares. I know people care, but I don't care.
Benavidez has some weird options that he's laying
out. Zerto's weird, but... Yeah, Zerto's not
a real cruiserweight either, though. Like, I
feel like Zerto could cut to 175 if he wanted
to. It's just a guy that doesn't want to stop
eating. And I appreciate that. That's perfectly
fine. But I mean, he's not going up to fight
somebody that's way bigger than him. Just fatter.
Lazier. We need to get Zerto the donut sponsor
as well. Him and Nav can be buddies. Hmm. So,
remember we talked about Subreal Matias and his
positive PED test? Okay. So, I actually did some
reading and I can see why they changed it. But
they didn't really change anything. It's just
the way they reported it changed. So both his
samples were below the threshold for the New
York State Athletic Commission. They have a threshold
of 0 .1 nanomoles, which is tiny, or nanograms,
but doesn't matter. It's tiny. Like, for reference,
Ryan Garcia was 6 nanomoles, so he was 60 times
over the limit. And both of Matias' samples were
below that limit. But I also did a little extra
digging just because I was bored. Osterine has
been found in 72 supplements, I think, by the
U .S. whatever, the sports people. Like, there's
a whole list of don't take this protein powder,
don't take this multivitamin, don't take this,
like, over -the -counter stuff if you're an athlete
because you will pop for Osterine. And there's
like 72 brands of multivitamins on there. And
at 0 .08 nanograms, I mean, that seems plausible
to me. Six nanograms, I don't know how many fucking
multivitamins you were taking. The whole bottle
at once? Yeah. And I'm not saying that Matthias...
Has never done steroids and isn't doing steroids.
I'm just saying that he didn't actually break
any of the New York State Athletic Commission
rules with either of his samples. But VADA has
zero tolerance for Osterine. If they can detect
it. Yeah. If they can detect it, they call it
an adverse finding. The reason it was so fast
was the adverse finding was within the threshold
allowed by the New York State. Is that where
Matias is competing next? I think so. Because
he's fighting the Dalton guy. Yeah, I didn't
look at it. I just assumed that was the commission
that was doing it. One second. Dalton Smith,
right? Yeah. Yeah, the fight in New York on January
10th. All right, so it makes sense that it would
be New York that they're going to allow the fight
to proceed. Yeah, so the reported concentrations
are below Nevada, California, and New York limits.
So it's not just New York either. Yeah, makes
sense. So, again, I'm not saying that Matias
has never cheated. I'm just saying that this
one shouldn't have been reported the way it was.
Like, if there's a threshold and he's below it,
he didn't do anything wrong. Right. Whether you
think there should be a threshold... Yeah, well,
whether you think there should be a threshold
or not is a different question, but... I was
under the impression there was no permitted amount
for a substance like Osterine. I mean, apparently
California, Nevada, and the New York State Commission
all disagree that there's a very small amount
that can be just contamination. Also, that led
me to a rabbit hole of... You know how they test
sewage samples all the time for just random stuff,
like they used it in COVID? Some study did a
test on sewage fatberg samples for just shit
that people shouldn't be taking. And in the last
decade, recreational drugs have fallen way behind
steroids. Really? Osterine's one of the ones
that they find in very high concentrations in
just like city sewage samples. So cocaine, like
all the recreational drugs you think people are
probably doing, way below steroid use and has
been for the last 10 years. It's crazy to me.
Wow. That is... I would not have expected that.
Yeah, so I know London was one of the cities.
I forget the other ones, but London was the oldest
one I could find. And that test was from like
2017 or something. So people out there doing
steroids, but also apparently they're putting
steroids in your multivitamins. So, yeah. Makes
sense. Yeah. You know what's not going to make
sense? Well, It'll just be humorous. Nick Ball
versus Brandon Figueroa. That is going to be
fucking funny. That's going to be a cartoonish
fight. Yeah. What is the actual height difference?
I'm going to guess, like, 7 inches? Yeah, I think
it's 7 inches. I think Nick Ball's, like, 5 '2",
and Figueroa's 5 '9", I think. Yeah, Figueroa
is the one I don't know his actual height. Yeah,
5 '9". 7 inch height difference. That's going
to be the fucking Looney Tunes cartoonish. Amazing.
I also don't know who wins that one. I mean,
Figueroa should, but he's looked like shit. He
has looked better. He's had better days. But
Nick Ball isn't that good either. No, you think
just keep him at the end of your reach and you
should be good, right? I mean, Figueroa doesn't
do that. Like, he's not much of a jab person.
No. He'd have to switch his whole style up to,
I don't know, to find some success in this one.
Oh, that's going to be in Liverpool. Yeah, that's
going to be cartoonish. Love it. Oh, cartoonish.
The WBC interim 135 belt that was recently on
the line vacated. Because that whole thing was
so stupid. That belt should not have been put
on the line at all. Don't they already, like...
They had scheduled a fight for that interim belt?
Yes. They're lucky that Foster wants to vacate.
Otherwise they'd have two interim belt holders.
It's so stupid. I would imagine they would rescind
the other one. Since it's not as prestigious
of a fight. Actual 135 pounders. Yeah. Foster's
staying at 130. So that's good. Makes sense.
He made 130. Yeah. Like, they should have just
done what they always do. Fulton missed weight
and he can't win the belt. But Foster can. Or
whatever, right? He can keep it, yeah. Yeah.
Like, that was so stupid. That whole thing was
stupid. It was a dumb sequence of events. really
disappointing from the WBC to play the same type
of hijinks that the WBA gets up to. Yeah. Yeah.
That was just stupid. You know what else is stupid
that I had never really noticed? Fulton's tattoo.
Like, he needs a cover -up. I've never seen it.
His giant one on his stomach? Stephen Fulton.
The giant? Did you read it? The giant one on
his stomach. Yeah. No, I'm not finding any pictures.
I know I don't have the wrong person this time
because it's... Do I have the wrong person? He's
the one that fought in a way, right? Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. I don't see a tattoo on his stomach in
these pictures. He's got a giant tattoo that
says can't be stopped on his stomach. I know
he does. I remember seeing that actually. I remember
that. I think Naoya Inoue would beg to differ.
He needs to get it covered up with just like
Inoue. Only stopped once. Yeah. Can't be stopped
except by the best. How do you save that? Also,
if he got that tattoo after the Ittaway fight,
that's even funnier. He did. I'm seeing pictures
from the weigh -in and he got that after. That's
so cringy and stupid. That's funny. That's next
level. That's dumber than them putting that belt
on the line. Well, speaking of dumb, Canelo wants
to rematch Crawford. I mean, I assume that must
be just a ton of money. Yeah, absolutely. But
I don't think anybody wants to see that. See
how it would go any different. Yeah, I don't
either. Seems like Canelo doesn't have shit to
do anyways, but it seems like a waste of time
for Crawford. He doesn't have anything to do
either. It's not like he's going to fight the
other contenders at 168. Why not? Go to 160.
I guess there's not really anyone famous at 160,
is there? No, I suspect that he was supposed
to fight the winner of Janabek Lara. So that
he could scoop up three of the belts and then
beat whoever had the other one. Carlos Adamas,
I guess. Right. Easy work. And then Janabek fucked
it up. Yep. Yeah, because none of these names
are very big. Now that I actually look at who's
at 160. Yeah. It's been a wasteland for quite
some time. Like, there's no point in him beating
up Old Man Lara. Really. No. The only one that's
really worth anything is Janabek. Yeah. He could
go beat up Roy and Janabek. I don't think that's
going to affect who wins that fight in the least.
Yeah, I don't think so either. I mean, I guess
it makes sense just because they're going to
get paid a shit ton, but I really don't know
anyone who wants to see that rematch. There must
be some Canelo stans out there, I guess. Like,
the delusional kind. Okay, I was gonna say, like,
I don't know, like, Isaac is a Canelo stan and
I imagine he would not want to see it again.
Isaac's pretty realistic as far as stans go.
Yeah. Like, you need the Casamero -style Canelo
fans. Can do no wrong. Yeah. Heads I win, tails
you cheated. Yeah, exactly. I don't see that
going any different. Crawford's just going to
outbox him again. Zufa Boxing kicks off on January
23rd. That's the day before UFC kicks off on
Paramount Plus on January 24th. Have they signed
anyone of note? Not that I've seen. No, me neither.
Like, I don't know. I kind of hope Zufa boxing
just fizzles out. I hope it's another triller
or whatever the fuck that was. Triller boxing?
Yeah. I don't know. I just, I don't want boxing
to start becoming UFC -ish. I think all of that
is awful. Yeah, I don't want it either. I am
cautiously optimistic that the size of these
Paramount deals would reach the fighter pay.
It would improve fighter pay, but yeah, it's
probably not. It's not gonna happen. That would
cut into other people's pay. Cut into overhead?
Yeah. Dana White would make less money. You can't
have that. Yeah, we can't have that. I don't
know. I fucking hate Zufa boxing. I know it doesn't
officially really exist yet, but the whole concept
sounds stupid. I hope they get... Nothing. I
hope nobody signs with them and I hope their
first six events are all garbage that fails and
then they disappear. If the Saudis financially
back him, he could make some big signings with
that. But that would amount to him having paid
fighters generously. Right. Which would be fine,
I guess. Because it's the Saudis' money, not
his. Yeah. Well, and also the fighters get paid,
so that's fine, I guess. Yeah. Like, from my
not important perception. But, like, I honestly,
I don't think anyone big is really going to sign
with them if they keep fighting with the belts.
I think the belts do matter to the fighters.
I think people care about that. Yeah, I think
so too. They're not going to get anybody of note.
Even if they do, I don't think it'll stick, if
you know what I mean. Because if you go to Zufa
and you can't fight for any of the titles, nobody's
going to want to fight you, because why would
they? Even if you're the best, they don't get
anything out of it. They being PBC's fighter
or whoever. They're going to have a Zufa title.
Yeah. Do you really think Inoue cares about the
Zufa title? No. Probably not. I mean, Inoue is
too big. That's a bad example. But even the tier
below that. Would Janabek care about the Zufa
title? No. If they paid Janna back enough, he'd
go fight for it. But not because of the title.
You know what I mean? Yeah. And I guarantee the
belts aren't going to let any of those count
as, like, defenses. So you're probably going
to lose any other belts you have. Like, if you
sign with Zufa, you'll be stripped. They won't
make it that obvious, but yes. Or even just,
like, let's say they do talk Janovec into fighting...
Janovec's not the Zufa guy, but they talk him
into fighting somebody for Zufa. The Zufa guy's
not gonna count as a title defense, and then
he'll get stripped for not fighting. His mandatory
or whatever? Yeah, like... They do that shit
all the time. One way I could see this work out
is if Zufo does what Top Rank did with the WBO,
where they established a symbiotic relationship
where Top Rank fighters are always fighting for
the WBO title. That's unofficially theirs. You
know what I mean? Yeah, well, and PBC has the
same thing. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. But that's
not what's going to happen because Zufa's being
dicks about it. Yeah. One thing I have to admit
I do like about Zufa is that they're cutting
down on the number of weight classes. Oh, are
they? Yeah. I don't really care about that. I
like it. How many just no junior? Yeah, no juniors
or supers. But then you don't have a super fly
title. Damn, you're right. Junior Bantam? There's
a lot of those turn out to be fun. I just, I
don't like anything Zufa's doing. I also don't
like them fucking around with the legislature
and stuff. That's bullshit. Yeah. Ilhan Omar
standing up for fighters at the congressional
hearings. Is he? That's good. She, but yes. Ah,
sorry. It's alright, I didn't expect you to know.
Who she was anyway. Or really, anybody listening?
Probably not. I also don't think I heard the
first name right then. Because I... Okay. I did
hear it right. That sounds like a boy's name
to me. Somalia. I don't know. Anyways. Yeah.
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Time for fucking shit here. Recap shit. Only
two, but one of them is pretty big. Really quickly,
Tasman Fighters at the Gold Coast Convention
Center in Broad Beach, Australia. Terra Moana,
first round stoppage, as one would expect. I
think they need to start stepping him up a little.
Like, don't they? Yeah, I would say so. Like,
he's not old, but he's not young. They need to,
you know. How old is he? Start going. He's 27.
Yeah. Sounds like. I know that's not, like, super
old, but. They're trying to pad a record really
quick with these first round knockouts of nobodies
and then. But does anybody care about that? I
don't. No. I don't care if you've knocked over
20 cans. If you've fought like 10 good fighters,
that's better. He's not getting anything out
of these fights. Yeah, I don't think so. This
isn't a wealth of experience that he's building
up. No, I'm not saying they need to throw him
in with contenders or anything, but... How many
first round knockouts is that? At least get some
rounds. Put in somebody that'll make them fight
for six or seven rounds. Jason Maloney gets a
stoppage in four. I missed this. Yeah, I just
thought I'd mention him because it's the Maloney
brother. Yeah. I mean, he needed a get -back
fight anyways. He had two losses in a row. Yeah,
you gotta get a softer touch there. Yeah, because
I don't know who Herlan Gomez is, but I don't
recognize him. I've never heard of him either.
Jai Obataya. Knock out an 8 over Hussein Kinkara.
Jai did not look great, to be honest. But that...
Well, the... Sorry, I need to get my thoughts
together. His eyes break very easy, Jai Obataya.
Because... Did you watch this one? No, not all
of it. Just highlights. Okay, so... This one
I did... I missed the rest of the card, but I
caught the main event. Like, round two or three,
Opataya's... I want to say his left eye started
swelling really weirdly. Like, you know those
great big swellings that you're like, that's
not right. That's not just, like, a big bruise.
It's not like a... It's a mouse, but, like, a
weird one. Yeah. And so he had... Because I looked
it up, they both had pretty bad injuries from
this one. I mean, obviously, Chinkara's was worse,
but... Obataya had, like, cracks in both his
eye sockets. Yikes. Some no -name -what's -this
-guy -German should not be doing that to you.
Wait, in my opinion. If Jai Obataya's as good
as he's supposed to be... Some no -name German
should not be breaking both your eyes. But, Chinkara
was in the hospital for a couple days because
he has a crack in his neck vertebrae. Also had
a brain bleed. Yeah, that's bad. So, I mean,
Obitai hits hard, but he was getting cracked
in there. I don't know. This fight was not particularly
fun to me, and I don't think Obataya looked that
good. The knockout was definitely highlight real
craziness, but he was getting touched up pretty
bad by some guy I've never heard of. Nothing
to add. I don't know. I was not impressed by
Opentaya this time. Do better. PBC on Prime in
San Antonio, Texas. This was better. Let's see.
Isaac Lucero gets a big stoppage in eight over
Roberto Valenzuela. Frank Martin over Rancis
Bartholomew, KO4. There's some people saying
knockout of the year contender. I missed this
one because it was early in the morning, but
apparently I need to go find it. Knockout of
the year contender? Yeah. Crazy. Let me see.
I think that was to cap off the prelims. Oh,
so that one should be on YouTube. Yes. But that's
good, right? Frank Martin. He's back with the
stoppage. So, yeah, I guess. But, like, it's
Francis Bartholomew. Who really fucking cares?
I guess, but... Uh -oh, I'm trying to hype it
up. Did you catch Jesus Ramos getting the UD
over Shane Mosley? I did. It's a very uninspiring
performance. I was not pleased. I thought it
was a really fun fight, though. Yes, good back
and forth. Shane Mosley showed up, which was
nice. He didn't just, like, roll over. Shane
Mosley has his dad's chin, for sure. Like, I
don't think he's that talented, but he takes
an ass kicking so well. It's crazy. Yeah, this
is what we can expect from Jesus Robinson. Like,
his power didn't carry up, it seems like. Not
sure why he moved up. Like, why do you want to
be a big fish in a little pond? I mean, did his
power not carry, or does Shane Mosley just have
a fucking vibranium chin? Shane Mosley's kind
of known for taking an ass -kicking. Yes. That's
a good question. It also seems like he was having
trouble making 154. Because he hasn't in like
two years. Has it been that long? Last time he
was under 154 for a weigh -in was September 2023.
According to BoxRec. He missed it. In May of
24. And then he moved up. And then. This must
be a catch weight. Or maybe he just missed weight
again. But. This. What's the third month? March.
He was 155 and three quarters. It's oddly specific.
I'm just on box record. But the other guy was
154 and a half. So I assume it was a. Catch weight?
Non -title fights do have allowances. Okay. It
just looks like he's having trouble making 154
to me on BoxRec. Like, even going back to 2021
and 2022, he was missing by half a pound. Hmm.
I'm going to... I think those were also non -title
fights, so there was some allowance. But regardless,
yeah, he's not making the 154 limit. Hasn't for
a very long time. But I don't know if Shane Mosley
Jr. is the one that shows you have no power.
That's all I'm saying. That's fair. I can get
behind that. But this was a fun fight. A lot
of, like, inside back and forth fighting. I enjoyed
it. Did you enjoy Erislandy Lara getting the
UD over Johan Gonzalez? I mean, I enjoyed that
the old man won, but that fight wasn't as enjoyable
to me. No, it definitely wasn't. Lara definitely
looked his age. Yeah, well, he's, what, 42? Yes.
I think Laura needs, like, his big payday. Somebody
needs to get it for him. Saul was saying that
a better replacement for Johnny Beck would have
been have Jesus Ramos fill that slot and go for
the title. Instead of Johan. Yeah. Yeah, but
then what do you do with Shane Mosley? Have him
fight Johan. I guess. Fair enough. Or just scrap
him entirely. I... Pramos might have beat Old
Man Lara. I don't know. You're right. Lara didn't
look that good. But he was training for a different
fight. So maybe... Also, I don't know who this
guy is. Do you know who Johan Gonzalez is? No,
never seen him before. And he looked like ass.
So, like, maybe it's hard to get tape on him?
Which can make you look bad? Could be. So give
Lara the benefit of the doubt? I just want the
old man to do well. But no, you're right. He
didn't look good. I am making excuses. Oh, speaking
of making excuses, Stephen Fulton drops the fucking
ball. Oshaki Foster beats him to pick up the
interim WBC lightweight title, which he subsequently
dropped, as mentioned before. Because why was
it even on the line? Yeah. Fucking stupid. Yeah,
this fight was ass. I don't know what your opinion
is, but this was not fun. I was not thrilled
seeing Stephen Fulton being beaten to the punch
every time. Not having answers for anything.
It wasn't fun. I don't know. Stephen Fulton looked
bad. Like, as expected when you blow weight like
that, but, like, he looked really bad. Yeah.
In a way, it kind of maybe broke him. I'm not
sure, because when he came back against Brandon
Figueroa, he looked fantastic. That's true. I
don't know what the fuck happened, but that was
a broken man. Like, that was not the Stephen
Fulton that we have seen. Right. Oh, Shaki Foster
looked pretty good, though. He did. I was very
pleased. Even though I was... Also, this new
nickname sucks. Or has he always been called
Ice Water? I don't know. That's a terrible fucking
nickname. I don't think I'd ever heard it before.
I think I'd remember because it's stupid. Absolutely
stupid. Um, yeah. What would you give him instead?
I don't know. Shock. Yeah. Static shock. Electric
shock. Did he not used to be shock and awe? I
can't recall. I don't know, but Ice Water is
just not a cool nickname. Ice, even, would just
be better. Or it's combat sports, just water
is cooler because of the Bruce Lee quote. But,
like, Ice Water is stupid. I would imagine...
He's going to be watching the upcoming Navarrete
-Nunez fight pretty closely. Yeah. I'm kind of
excited for that one, actually. Because he's
staying at 130, he said. Which makes sense. I
don't know why he wouldn't. He made weight. Who
else is at 130 right now? Nav, Nunez, Ray Ford.
Jezza Dickens. That's the one I was trying to
remember. He's the WBA champ, isn't he? Yeah,
yeah. He's got a fight coming up, right, as well?
Yeah, I think so. He's fighting. Is he fighting
one of the Tsutsumi brothers? I think. On the...
Hayato. Yeah, on the Riyadh card. That is such
a fucking mid -off. Him and Hayato. I would maybe
want to fight whoever wins that. Because I am
sure Foster could beat them. I don't think much
of either of those guys. I think Nunez is a much
harder fight. Nav or Nunez are much harder fights.
Yeah. Jazza. Jazza. Fucking Jazza Dickens. Such
a stupid name. Anyway, yeah, this fight was also
not fun. Just don't bother watching that one.
The Foster -Fulton fight. But you know what was
kind of fun? Isaac Cruz and Lamont Roach? Yes.
It was so fucking dirty. So fucking dirty from
both fighters. There was, I feel, actual bad
blood on this one. The knockdown, I thought that
was going to be the deciding factor because it
was pretty, it seemed really competitive. I was
having trouble. I don't think a draw is a bad
outcome. I know a lot of people were yelling
robbery, but I don't think it wasn't robbery.
I also don't think Cruz won, but, but like, because
there's four rounds I think are clearly Isaac
Cruz rounds. There's the... I think he won the
first round. Round three was a knockdown. And
I think he won round 11 and 12 pretty clearly.
And there's swing rounds in the middle there.
Like, I think Roach also had four clear rounds,
but I don't remember which ones. And Cruz had
the point deducted. Which I have no problem with
the point being deducted, but... The punch they
decided to take a point on is weird and stupid.
What did they dock him for again? Hitting in
the back. Oh, right. The kidney punches. Yeah,
but the one they took it for, Lamont Roach turned.
And he had no warnings for that. Just wait until
he headbutts him again or something. It was gonna
happen. And I have no problem with a point being
taken. I just think that was not the reason to
do it. Also, some of those low blows that they
were complaining and warning about, I don't think
they were low. High trunks? Yeah. Well, and Roach
had his trunks around his tits. Like... But...
I don't know. This was a pretty dirty fight.
Pretty controversial. I gotta wonder what's next.
Because Isaac Cruz is... He is a one -trick pony.
And... He did use a jab in this fight, though.
That was shocking, to say the least. Like, Pimple
tried to jab. And then he tried to jab with his
head a couple times. But, you know. He's learning.
But who is at 140 right now? From the top of
the list, Teofimo, Subrio Matias, Richardson,
Hitchens, Keyshawn Davis, Adam Azeem. That's
the top five. I don't see him doing very well
against any of them. I guess him and Subriel,
Matthias might be a fun fight. Or the winner
of that. Yeah. Matthias can fight dirty as well.
I don't think... I don't think Cruz is going
to bully him or anything. Sandor Martin. Sandor
Martin would outpoint Pitbull Cruz. No problem.
And then get robbed on the scorecards. As is
tradition. As is tradition, yeah. I mean, he
could... He's the interim now for Matias. I think
that's probably his next fight. Is he mandatory
for Matias? Boxing team has him listed as the
interim belt holder now. Oh. I thought that was
vacant and they were fighting for it. Didn't
know Cruz already had it. When the fuck did he
win that? Uh, the fight before. Omar Salcido.
Okay, I see. They were fighting for it, but Cruz
already had it, so he didn't lose it. Yeah. Okay,
I just, I am mistaken. I thought it was vacant.
So, yeah. No. He's mandatory for Matias. Might
as well hold on to it. Well, Matias has his fight.
Yeah. So I guess Cruz for the winner of that.
I don't interim belts are so fucking stupid.
Yeah, they don't seem to actually be a mandatory
position. Well, I guess if it was vacant before.
Well, it wasn't because this is stupid. Cruz
should have been fighting Matias instead of fighting
Roach. Yes. Stupid. So, like, how is Dalton Smith
the mandatory over the interim title holder?
Well, he shouldn't be. Yeah. That's stupid. Okay.
What 40s kind of... Heating up a little bit,
though. Like, I'm excited for Gar versus Hirooka.
I think that's going to be a really good fight.
I think that's going to be exciting. Has Gary
Antoine Russell slowed down enough for the young
guy to take advantage of it is kind of what I
think that's going to come down to. I don't think
that... I don't... I don't see a lot of avenues
for Hirooka, unfortunately. No, I don't either.
I don't think he's really ready for this. No.
But, maybe. I mean, I'm not mad that they gave
him the chance. I just don't think he's ready.
And then, I want somebody to beat Hitchens. I
don't like him. I don't know anyone who really...
There's only one person who does. Someone in
Discord. I don't remember who. but there's like
one Hitchens fan. It's kind of weird. That is
a weird choice. Anyways, I want him to lose his
belt, so somebody needs to take care of that.
And then... Tiafimo's the other belt holder?
I didn't know Tiafimo had a belt. WBO. Crazy.
Anyways. Yeah, I know this fight was really controversial,
but I didn't really see the controversy. I thought
a draw was fine. The other card, the non -draw
card, was fucking madness, I guess, is part of
it. Because they had Cruz winning eight rounds
to four? I believe so. That's fucking madness.
Anyways, Lamont Roach should still get, well,
Tank's crash out, but he should still get his
Tank rematch. Who were they saying Tank is going
to come back against? I don't remember. I do
know that his lawsuit stuff got dropped because
they couldn't get the security footage. Yeah,
I saw that as well. Forgot to put that in the
news. But also I don't like talking about that.
Fucking domestic abuser. Fucking attacking strippers.
It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter why. That's
just stupid. That's it for the recap shit. The
upcoming shit. Wednesday, December 17th, No Limit
Boxing at the TikTok Entertainment Center in
Sydney, Australia. Just gonna say the fucking
depressing name. Yeah. A bunch of shit on here.
Only two fights to point out. Sam Goodman vs.
Tyler Blizzard. Team Blizzard all the way. Yeah,
I don't think he has a hope in hell, but... Team
Blizzard all the way. And Tim Zhu versus Anthony
Velasquez. Which one is Velasquez? I don't know.
I've never seen him before. Yeah, I don't think
I have either. Which is probably a good thing
for Tim Zhu right now, to be honest. Yeah. That's
weird. Tim Zhu's... how what's his record 25
and three yeah but those three losses all came
all at once recently you know what i was mistaking
him i don't know why for nikita what yeah don't
ask why i don't know um but tim zoo yeah uh wrong
zoo that's really bad leo yeah pretty don't know
how i got that mixed up but yeah this is definitely
a good comeback uh he's moving up to middleweight
i'm kind of excited to see what the cuban trainer
has done yeah me too i i am intrigued i guess
i should say maybe excited's the wrong word but
i don't think so i i i have no idea uh what tim's
gonna look like this fight So I kind of hope
it goes a few rounds at least. I want to see
the new and improved Cuban Timzu. Timoteo. But
that's it for the No Limit card. Anthony Velasquez
has a fun nickname. He's the ATV. What? ATV?
Yeah. What? His initials, yeah, AV, no shit.
Yeah, but all -terrain vehicle, like a four -wheeler?
Yes. It's fun. I like it. Never heard that one
before, so that's good. Points for a unique name.
Taken at the Sumo Arena. Yeah. In Sumida, Tokyo.
I didn't realize it was in a... Anyway, that
doesn't matter. I'm excited. My ticket comes
today. The undercard's actually pretty decent,
too. Is it? Yeah. For a Wednesday. Which, why
the fuck is this on a Wednesday? Good question.
I gotta ditch out of work. It's not like a holiday
or anything. I gotta leave work early and hope
my boss doesn't notice. Tsuyoshi Nishimoto versus
Yu Izaki. Yeah, I don't know either of these
guys. Akui, the next fight up. Seigo, Yuri, Akui,
and Vincent LaCarre. Akui's fun. Like, very Japanese
style. Against some Filipino guy I've never heard
of. So that should be fireworks. I'm assuming.
Kiyosuke Takami versus Rene Santiago. Didn't
Santiago just fight somebody? Yeah. He just fought
Iwata. And won. So. Yeah, I don't know who's
going to win this one, to be honest. This should
be a pretty close fight, I think. Never seen
Takami, so I can't really say. Yeah, he's pretty
young, I think. 23. I'm pretty sure I saw him
in Yokohama. Against... Eric Rosa? Yeah. She's
been in Korakuen Hall the entire time. Yeah,
no, this was the Taraji loss. The card Taraji
lost on and Higa drew. So, anyways, I think this
should be a fun fight. Anthony Olaskwaga versus
Taku Kuwahara. For the WBO Flyweight title. I
think Ola Squaga should win this one pretty easily.
I don't know about Kuwahara, so I couldn't say.
He lost to Akui on an Inoue fight card, I think.
Yeah, yeah. The Neri card. Anyways, I think Ola
Squaga should win this one pretty handily. Maybe
even a knockout. Damn. I like Ola Squaga though,
so I'm a little biased. Don't let your bias weigh
too heavily here. Seiya Tsutsumi versus Nonito
Donair. I don't really have a bias in this one.
I like both of them. But Tsutsumi should win.
I mean... Yeah, you'd think. He should. He should
just outwork him. I suspect this one might be
a knockout too. Like an accumulation style knockout.
Donair is old. He's in his 40s, right? Yeah,
he's 43. 43? And fighting at 118 pounds. It's
crazy. Very. I mean, Donair really should retire.
But I'm excited I get to see him live. I know
it's kind of like old man shadow of what he used
to be. But I will be able to say I saw Donair
fight live, which is fun. Yeah, it would be good
to catch him before he rides off into the sunset.
Yeah. Now, if he somehow manages to land a crazy
left hook, I'm going to be so sad. But I'm thinking
chances are pretty small. Moving to the MVP card,
which will be on Netflix. At the Kaseya Center
in Miami, Florida. Nice. Anderson Silva versus
Tyron Woodley. That's fun. Is it? I don't know.
I guess. I don't see the point, but... Getting
them paid? I mean, Silva should win that pretty
easy, right? Yeah, you'd think. That's what I
would expect. Moving up the bill, some shit I
don't really care about. Caroline Dubois, WBC
lightweight champion versus Camila Panata. It's
good to see Caroline back. It's been a while,
I think. Has it? Maybe I just missed it. No,
it has not. She's fought twice. this year. Never
mind. That's fun. This one should be fun. Like,
for a women's fight, this should be high action.
Oh, look at Bustillo's picture on BoxRec. It
looks like a 90s album cover. Yeah, it looks
like a glamour shot. Yeah, Shania Twain had this
picture on one of her country albums. I'm 90
% sure. Sharnika Johnson versus Amanda Gaia.
Neeks. Is this a... I don't know. It's three
of the four belts. I was going to say, is this
an Undisputed? But it's not. It is. Oh, right.
Yeah, and they're bullshit. Petty ass. Alicia
Baumgartner versus Leila Boudoin? Boudoin? Bedouin?
Bedouin? It's a lot better than what I got. I
mean, there's probably a French pronunciation
that I can't do, but people around home say Bedouin.
Three of four titles on the line here. WBC is
currently vacant. I mean, this is some random
Canadian. She's gonna get wrecked. Yeah, Baumgartner's
a beast, so. Yeah. Well, and any time they throw
these random Canadians into title fights like
this, they're such mismatches. This is going
to be stupid. I'm pretty sure. Well, speaking
of stupid, Jake Paul versus Anthony Joshua. Okay.
At what point do you lose all respect for Joshua
if Jake Paul is still standing? I give him four
rounds. Four? That's kind of where I was leaning
as well. I think it should be faster than that.
I think this should be a Francis and Gano type
fight. Yes. But, like, if it goes past five rounds,
four rounds... Fuck AJ. AJ is washed. If that
happens. Best case scenario, he's, like, carrying
it for views or whatever. But, like, just go
in and knock him the fuck out. Don't embarrass
us. I'll have the memes Locked and loaded. Jake
Paul Mafia. Yeah. I might have to stay off Discord
for this one. No, I won't. No, I won't. So are
we writing off Jake Paul completely? I mean,
I am. Are you not? I can only go with, like,
a lucky puncher's chance. But Jake Paul's not
even a puncher. Yeah, I know. So those chances
are really slim. AJ's chin is cracked, I guess.
But, like, in all honesty, if Jake Paul lands
clean on AJ, knock him out or not, I lose respect
for AJ. Like, is it just stupid? It's a no -win
situation for AJ? I mean, he's getting paid a
shit ton of money. So. But, yeah, if he doesn't
knock him out cold in, like, the first three
rounds, it's stupid. How many rounds would it
take? Of Jake Paul. Surviving. Maybe not thriving.
But at least surviving. Where you would give
him some props. Kind of like an inverse of the
AJ question. Yeah. Okay. Like surviving. And
it looking like AJ. Is not carrying him. Any
rounds. But I'm just going to assume. That AJ
is just not. Not trying. Trying? Yeah. Yeah.
I don't think Jake Paul can impress me in this
fight at all. Unless he comes in and knocks out
AJ and it looks convincing. But, I mean, if he
does that, boxing is dead. If he does that, boxing
is dead. Hmm. Two really quick ones. The WBC
Grand Prix finals are upon us. I have not been
watching. I haven't either. Saturday, December
20th. I'm disowned. I don't recognize. Oh, Derek
Palmer Lou. I recognize. And Dillian Biggs. Yeah,
I'm sure I'm. ruining this guy's name too. All
the boxers are from Quebec. Fucking ridiculous.
No, they have a better BF to look up to. That's
true. And a Billy. Two good Canadians. Yeah.
Let's see here. The heavyweight final between
Kevin Ramirez and Ahmed Kernjik. Krnjic? K -R
-N -J -I -C. Whatever that is. The featherweight
final, Muhammad Kamili versus Brandon Mejia.
The super lightweight final, Mujabilo Tursunov
versus Carlos Utria. And middleweight final,
Derek Pomerleau versus Dylan Biggs. There you
go. Yeah, I don't know who any of these people
are, except the last one, but should be good.
I mean, they all had to win, what, four fights?
Five fights to get here? Yeah, I think four.
And another one on the same day, Salida, also
on DAZN. There's a bunch of shit on here that
I don't care about, and it's just Tony Harrison
versus Brian Chavez. Tony Harrison looks like
he's from Detroit, Michigan. Yeah, I don't know
who these two people are either, to be honest.
You've seen Tony Harrison before. His fight against
Tim Zhu, Jermell Charlo. Okay. Fought Jarrett
Hurd a while ago. Oh, he beat Jermel Charlo.
Interesting. He beat him the first time. Yeah.
Got knocked out the second time. Alright. Yeah.
I didn't recognize his box rec pitcher. That's
all we got though. It's not bad, though, for
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No limit taken. MVP on Friday. And then a light
Saturday. Parting words. Don't forget to finish
your Christmas shopping. I think I might go check
out the Christmas market here this weekend. My
Christmas shopping is all fucked and nobody's
getting anything until sometime in February probably,
but you know. Yours doesn't have to be. Oh, also,
I know I complained to you already, Leo, but
I bought the new t -shirt for Tsutsumi and he
just announced that his next one is a Peanuts
collaboration. And I'm so pissed off. Hands up.
What the F? Yeah, I might have to buy a third
shirt. It just might happen. He's got a little
Peanuts guy with the belt and it's definitely
ripping off... With the blanket and the belt.
Anyways, it's pretty cute. I think he saw your
cheeseburger and got inspired. I did give him
a sticker when I met him. Has he figured out
what to do with it yet? I have not seen it stuck
on any water bottles or anything. He probably
threw it out, but... He was doing another restaurant
collaboration, but this time he was a chef at
the fancy French restaurant somewhere. I forget
where. So he would cook your food for you. Wow.
Yeah. He's got some skills. I thought it was
pretty cool. Let's see. I'm going to call back
to when I used to do it more often, but here's
a quote from Muhammad Ali. I hated every minute
of training, but I said, don't quit. Suffer now
and live the rest of your life as a champion.
And get Parkinson's. Sorry, I was uncalled for.
Happens with boxing. Yeah. That's it, though,
for this edition of Boxing Before Dark. We'll
fucking see you on the other side of Jake Paul
annihilating Anthony Joshua. Boxing is dead.