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Alright. Holy shit. The Boxing B -Sides are back.
Joined by the one and only Saul. What's up, guys?
Glad to be back after a fucking nice holiday
break. Yeah, we got the... How was your guys'
holidays, by the way? Let me ask you that. Oh,
yeah. How was your guys' holidays? Uh, it wasn't
a holiday for Josh. Nope. Oh, that's right. I
forgot his dude's part Canadian. Canadian. Yeah,
they're in October. Yeah. Oh, shit, man. We got
a lot of stuff to catch up on, so let's fucking
kick it off here. So, your heartbroken Johnny
Beck. Yeah. Johnny Beck, he broke my heart. I'm
not going to lie. That hurt really bad. And honestly,
it kind of, the whole card was cursed, but with
Johnny Beck, dude, Jesus Christ, to see him pop
for, what is it, a month? I can't even say it's
some Russian drug. Come on, dude. In the immortal
words of Janabek in about three weeks once he
starts working fast food, would you like fries
with that, sir? I'm going to be honest, dude.
That killed my whole article. I told last time
that I was going to have an article out, and
a lot of it was praising Janabek, and it's kind
of shit, so I had to redo the whole article.
I gotta say, this is why I focus on, like, recent,
recent. Like, if I can get it out, like, on something
that just happened, it's way easier to either
be right or wrong and then have that be your
take than, like, letting something age. Yeah,
well. It aged like milk. It was fucking... Aged
like milk. It was fucking horrible. For my first
article, this is my first time, so, you know.
Forever is not cool. I might still release it.
Leo went on a pilgrimage and you still can't
get that article out. No, I was waiting for Leo
to come back so I could have him publish it.
And then that shit happened. I was like, okay,
bro. It aged. Yeah. It aged. Oh, yeah, it aged.
But I'll tell you this, and we'll get into it
right now. Janet Beck would have fucking murdered
Lara. Who knows? Maybe without the steroids,
it's a little more competitive. Yeah. That's
the weird thing about it. That fucking substance
that he popped for, like, there's no conclusive
evidence of, like, actual benefits. You know
what I mean? No, like, he's just taking super
soldier serum for nothing. Yeah. For a little
benefit. Just for fun, man. Fucking Janabek,
man. I fucking... That killed me. It killed the
car for me. Oh, man. 160 forever doomed. Yeah.
Other weird testing news. Subreal Matias tested
positive for, what was it, Osterine? Osterine.
The Ryan Garcia special. Like a fraction of a
picogram instead of Ryan Garcia's blood having
more Osterine than white blood cells in it. That
was weird, though, how they just kind of dismissed
it. Because I thought Austrian was one of those
things that's like a no acceptable levels kind
of testing. Yeah, it turns out there's acceptable
levels. Yeah, apparently. It's for recovery,
primarily, to my knowledge. But they can only
go up to a certain level, though. So they can
have some in their system. It's mainly for tainting
to my awareness. What, it's a masking agent?
Like, it can be in tainted supplements. Oh, I
see. So that's why there's some allowance. Because,
like, it can faintly present itself in over -the
-counter supplements and stuff. So Ryan Garcia
was... Ryan Garcia was straight -up juicing.
He had way, like, again, more ostrein than white
blood cells. So basically, he beat Devin Haney.
And Devin Haney sucks. Yeah. I'm playing. I'm
playing. I'm sorry. Actually, he was framed.
He was framed by Big Al. Was it Shakur Stevenson
planted that in his camp, just like he poisoned
Floyd Schofield? They're always blaming the boy.
All right. Three fights ordered by the WBC. Ben
Whittaker versus Joshua Boazzi. I'm not sure
how to feel about this, because Ben Whittaker
seems to have reformed. It's not quite his old
dancing Emmanuel Augustus self. Magically gained
some punching power. Since he switched. That
was a hair special, I'll tell you that. All these
rankings, we'll get into right now, but all these
rankings were bullshit. Yeah, it's a pretty average
going for the belts. Yeah. I mean, at the same
time, 175 is not the deepest division, but to
re -rank that high without fighting any good
fighters, that's ridiculous. If he fought Joshua
Boassi, I would understand. And he beat him,
I would understand that ranking, but that's some
bullshit. Mbili vs Shiraz. This one was disappointing.
I was really expecting the Lester Martinez rematch.
Yeah. I think it's going to be to Lester's benefit,
question mark, because someone else is going
to have to take a chance on him in the division,
and I have faith in Lester to continue improving,
as coachable as he is and as good as his coaching
is. Well, honestly, with this fight itself, I
was disappointed with the fact that fucking Shiraz
beat Berlanga, and that gives him a shot, a vacant
title shot? Are you kidding me? Like, what the
fuck? Is it vacant? Yeah, because Terrence Crawford
got stripped. Yeah, they stripped my boy. And
it's like, we'll get into that more right now,
but it's like, are you fucking kidding me? Shiraz
has done nothing to the division. I don't mind
the division getting a move on instead of everyone
waiting for their stimulus check, though. Yes,
but why does Shiraz deserve... It should have
been Lester. It should have absolutely been Lester,
but I also don't mind Shiraz Lester as soon as
Mbili loses to Shiraz. You think Shiraz beats
him? I disagree with that. The thing is, if Shiraz
can... The way Adamas fought him is not a way
that Mbili could fight him. I'm saying I have
more faith in Shiraz to be able to... keep Mbili
at a distance, especially because Mbili is a
very one -paced guy, than I do for Mbili to really
get through it without anything coming back at
him. I disagree. I think that Mbili... Oh, I'm
not surprised if Mbili just beats him up and
Shiraz is a lot worse than we thought. I don't
think I'm that highly already. But seeing how
Adamas fought him, I don't think Mbili can fight
him the same way. Oh, definitely not. Yeah, two
totally different skill sets. Yeah, like Mbili's
so one pace that I think, like, it won't be pretty
at all, but Shiraz can absolutely beat Mbili.
I think it'll be a tough fight, but I think Adamas
had the, like we said, the advantage. I still
think Mbili has a better chance of winning than
some of the other... contenders in the division.
Honestly, I think I might get flamed for this,
but at this point, I think someone like Munguia
loses to Shiraz. Okay, but that's because Munguia's
chin has been fried by Siraz. He's also got negative
in the fight style. Yeah. I think it's ultimately
good for the division to get it moving. 100%.
Oh, yeah, 100%. We always wanted Tokawa to vacate
the titles. That's what we needed. I was expecting
him to the whole time. Yeah, I was expecting
him to step away and just take whatever fights
he wanted. You know, the belts don't matter,
but he can win the belts off, guys. Yeah, 100%,
yeah. That's the thing, is that the whole fucking
assault thing with the belts right now, it's
giving the Saudis a lot of ammo, and it's pissing
me off. Yeah, the Saudis were always going to
have ammo when this stuff happened, just because,
like... Like, it was so obvious they were going
to use a guy as a tool to... But that's the next
thing. They're going to use a guy as a tool to
undermine confidence in the belts because boxing
fans are... Literacy is not high among them.
Yeah, well... We'll see what happens. Really
quickly, is this one... Let's use Saul's term,
bull jive? The Tom Alcoly announcement? Oh, my
God. That one's kind of... That one, I can't
defend as much. I don't even understand it. Someone
needs to explain that one to me. I can't even
fathom that. I understand Akuli being a highly
ranked guy from another division. You want to
get rid of him. And it basically... If Itama
beats him promotionally, it's he beat a respected
former world champ, whatever, right? But it's
such a trap fight for someone who wants Itama
to develop. Because it's not that Akoli is any
good. It's that the risk is always there for
him to just spoil and fuck it up. He's such a
negative fighter. Yeah, negative fighter. I was
just thinking that. I saw on the Discord someone
say that Rancis Bartholomew has a passive that
lowers the opponent's punch output. And Akoli
has a similar thing where the punch output is
just decimated when you fight him because of...
He's just going to grab you. Yeah, but you know
what? If Itama could knock out Okoli and make
a statement, that would be good. Oh, absolutely.
It's very like, finally we're rid of Okoli. You
are the savior of this division. But also, it's
such a trap fight for a young guy who might not
have the experience to get rid of a super negative
guy. I think he has the experience. I think he'll
beat him pretty soundly. I honestly think he'll
knock him out, too, pretty... I would say before
round six. I have hope that he can. I just, like,
don't be surprised if we're in round eight and
there's three punches being thrown between them.
Yeah. Like, pit bull shit. Don't be surprised,
you know? See what happens. But I don't get...
I don't like it being made before he even gets
past Franklin, though. No, yeah, that's really...
As much as we know that Tom is going to win that
one, I mean, come on. Anything could happen.
Yeah, like the turkey curse is aptly made because
we're making fights three steps ahead and then
you throw in a banana peel in there for no reason.
If we get Jermaine Franklin and Lawrence Cole,
I might just fucking kill myself. Oh, Heavyweight's
so dead if we get that shit. I wonder how they
would fucking market that. You don't. I think
Bob might just kill himself too. You throw it
on the undercard of some bullshit and then forget
about it. Put it in like the 5v5 or some shit.
Yeah, literally. Everything's bullshit. All this
ranking WBC is all bullshit. I don't get it.
You know? But it's whatever. That's just politics.
Boxing. Unfortunately, that's what we got to
deal with. We don't like the Saudis, but we really
don't. We don't like the fucking rankings, but
we definitely don't like the fucking monopolization
of the sport, you know? Speaking of bullshit,
WBC strips Terrence Crawford. Holy shit. You
don't pay your fees. This is what I've gathered.
I didn't follow the whole story. like on Twitter
or anything, but it was that the other sanctioning
bodies have like fixed percentages that they
take off of the purse and WBC doesn't have that.
And they were asking for like a lot more. Well,
they said it was 0 .06%, which was 300 ,000,
which is still half the amount, but I don't know.
This was, this was, uh, what's the, what's the
word? Uh, I think they were planning to fucking
not even pay him at all. Because they already
came out with merch immediately about, oh, fuck
the belt. What did they say in the merch was?
I am the belts? Yeah. I will say this is something
that is bigger than Crawford because, again,
this is basically a play against the belts existing
by the Saudis. Yeah, that's what the... So obvious.
Yeah, they're trying to see the cracks in the
facade of boxing so that TKO has ammunition for
the Ali Reform Act. Yeah. From the Crawford perspective,
I think it's a little crazy that now he's bigger
than the belts. when the only reason he basically
posed for anyone to care about him was, oh, I
had the belts. Yeah, that's a little interesting.
Like, it's a little interesting. He was always
like, oh, I had the belts at this division, and
the belts at this division, the belts, the belts,
the belts, and it's never... Victor Wollster
wasn't elite. And then as soon as he fights,
as soon as he finds himself... at a juncture
where, like, okay, now people care about him
for him. Oh, now it's the belts don't matter.
When the whole reason to fight him previously
was belts, belts, belts. Yeah, I mean... That's
the reason why he fought Canelo, was to become
undisputed. The belts matter, obviously, to him.
Yeah, the belts clearly matter, because, like,
again, like, why did he fight Spence? To become
undisputed. Yeah, that's fucking... This is ridiculous.
Oh, Crawford, man. He's a chowdy show. It's just
like, again, inside the ring, Crawford is like
a must -watch. Great. Outside the ring, holy
shit, dude. You needed a manager from the start,
and he could have been so much more. And that's
saying how good Crawford is, that this is a disappointment
in terms of the fact that he has two notable
wins. Like, that's the type of standard we have
for him, that this ends up being a disappointment.
I mean, that's why you fought Magibob. You want
to be a champion. That's how you're a champion.
Otherwise, it means shit. Yeah, like, you fight
the guys with the belts because the belts matter,
not, uh... Oh, the belts don't matter as soon
as they're inconvenient to me. Otherwise, you're
gonna have fucking Abel Mendoza calling themselves
the fucking... Yeah, like, what the... What the...
The quandary of, like, how much the belts should
be charging, what they use it for is separate.
That's a separate discussion from this. Because
when you merge the discussions, you end up playing
into the Saudis' hands, you know? But in regards
to strictly, um... like Crawford here like you
have played you basically have agreed to the
terms of the belt your entire career and now
that you think you're bigger than the belts even
though you literally just fought purely for belts
by the way now it's uh it's a whole issue with
uh you're pinching pennies because you're bigger
than the belts and it's uh I don't know. It's
not... It's just not a good discussion to be
having at this time because you end up devaluing
yourself a lot if you're Crawford. Who the fuck
is going to buy that merch too? Like, really?
If we're going to save the belt... Yeah, that's
the thing. They have merch and they're coming
out with it. It's just like, I'm the belts or
something like that. Like, if we're going to
say the belts are worthless, the belts are whatever,
like, why are you fighting, like, Hank Lundy?
Yeah. Or Thomas DeLorme is who we beat. Thomas
DeLorme. Why are you fighting Thomas DeLorme
if the belts don't matter and you only want the
best of the best of the best? Ricky Burns, baby.
Yeah, like, come on. Ricky Burns. The belts clearly
matter. Like at 147, his whole claim at 147 was,
oh, Spence ain't the best because he doesn't
have all the belts. I have the belt. He needs
me. No, it don't matter. That's why you vote
Magimov. Yeah, the belt. Because there was a
fucking belt there. Easy title opportunity. Okay,
you move up. You're undisputed or whatever at
140. No, he's missing the WBA. Okay, whatever.
You move up to 147. Why is your first fight at
147 Jeff Horn? You don't horny? It's because
of the belt. He has a belt. Oh, that's right.
He had Rob Pacquiao, right? Yeah, but he had
the belt. Because, like, otherwise, like, yeah,
so... So, again, like, Crawford has built his
career on collecting these belts. And the thing
is that there's guys who... clearly outgrow the
belts, I don't think he's there because the fights
he's shopping for are still belts. Like, especially,
like, I don't think he'd ever consider fighting.
He's not going to fight Janabek now that Janabek
doesn't have that fucking strap. Yeah, he's not
going to. Well, not yet. We don't know if they're
going to strip him yet. They probably are. But
like, if he ends up getting stripped of both
of his belts, Crawford's not going to fight him.
Yeah, Janabek is essentially worthless at that
point. Yeah. That whole division is worthless
at that point because now you can't fight. I
doubt that Lara and Janabek are going to fight.
The whole point was Lara and Janabek were going
to fight and unify. Crawford was probably going
to fight Adamas and then unify with the winner.
Because the timing is a little convenient. The
Janabek pops. The unification can't happen anymore.
And now Crawford throws a fit about the WBC.
It's Adamas who he would fight at middleweight.
You put on your temple hat for this one? I just
think Crawford's plans got derailed for his sunset
ending of going undisputed at middleweight. He
got a little liquored up, hopped on Twitter,
and threw a fit. Honestly, I guess it could still
happen. He could fight for the IVF. If they don't
strip Janabek, he could fight Janabek first.
And then fight Adames or Lara in edification.
That's three fights, and Janabek is going to
command even less money now. That's the same
amount of fights as if he would have fought Adames
and then Janabek. He fights Janabek first, then
Adames and then Lara. It's going to be one, two,
three. I don't think Lara -Janabek ends up happening.
No, I don't think so. If he still fights Janabek,
And then Adami's and then Lara Unify. That's
still possible. It's possible, but... I doubt
Lara and Adami's are going to Unify. Yeah, because
like Lara fights once a year. So now you're going
to wait a whole year for a chance to dislodge
that belt. I don't know. I mean, they've had
the belts for fucking how long? How long has
Adami's and Lara held the belts? Since like,
what, 2023? For Lara? Or for Adami's? Adamas
has had it for a minute. Yeah. Lara's had it
for a minute as well. Lara picked it up. I think
after Triple G in 2022. Fuck, when did he pick
it up again? I think it was after Triple G vacated.
June of 24 is when Adamas got the full title.
You're not 24, really. Yeah, he had the interim
since like 2022. Yeah. Yeah, that's right. Well,
anything more for Terrence Crawford and his crash
out? Man, shut the fuck up. Yeah, like this guy,
like shut up and fight someone, please. No, I'm
joking, but you can't be saying that shit. That's
going to not ruin your career, but that's going
to really downplay your achievements if you say
the belts don't fucking matter. Yeah, because
all his achievements are entirely belt -based.
Yeah. 140 and 147. And then... Free Spence. Free
Spence and Porter, I would say. Oh, yeah. Like
I was going to say, it's all belt -based. No
one's going to say he's top pound -for -pound
great for beating Ricky Burns. As much legwork
as the gift wants to do. Yeah. You're not getting
in the Hall of Fame off of beating Ricky Burns.
It's like at that point, then you're really downplaying
a lot of champions, their legacy, you know? It's
like Pacquiao, he was a fucking multi -division
champion. He's a legend. Yeah, what the fuck,
if the belts don't matter, you know, what the
fuck, you know what I mean? Yeah. So, it's our
suit piece. All right. We're going to go into
the Wayback Machine. Fucking... Connor Ben and
Eubank Jr. card. Oh, Christ, I forgot this one
happened already. Yeah. It's been that long,
huh? It has been. Jesus Christ. Dude, it looks
kind of silly on TV, but when you're there, Sweet
Caroline's pretty fun. It's fun? Yeah, it was
pretty fun. That's right, you had the fight.
How was the 50 cent walkout? That was the hypest
part. That was pretty cool. It was pretty damn
cool. That's the part I cared about. Watching
it on the stream, that must have been pretty
sick to be in person. Yeah, I wasn't too far
from the tunnel. So I got to see them coming
out. That's cool as fuck. That's heat. That's
heat. That was probably the best part of the
fight. Man. Let's go just really quickly. Mikey
Talon KO5 over Faison Shahid. Richard Reakpour
TKO2 over Tommy Welsh. Sure happened. That was
definitely a fight. Ishmael Davis, UD over Sam
Gilly. Sam Gilly had a huge supporting. I was
kind of surprised. Interesting. The Goat Jack
Catterall. Jaron Catterall. Jaron Catterall?
Beating the shit out of Kyle Usman. Jack Bozy.
God. You know what? That's respect, man. I'm
definitely going to watch Catterall's next fight.
Yeah, I was going to say, do you think this is
a career resurgence? Yeah, if he can continue
cracking an egg, I'm pretty happy. Yeah. I mean,
he's the first. He's gotten a knockout before
Canelo, so I got to respect that. That is a shit.
He's gotten a knockout at a decent level before
Virgil won a belt. Stranger things happen, you
know? I'm content. If he loses, it's whatever.
He's one of those guys where I'm like, you know
what? He's got a happy place on an undercard.
I don't know, he might just become the main.
It was the Jack Catterall fight when I realized
I was surrounded by... No, no, no. I made this
mistake as well when I was talking to Shanada.
I was the fucking nerd. Because when Jack Carroll
was coming out, I was talking to the people sitting
next to me. They were like, wow, an American.
Holy shit. Didn't expect to see that. So I was
an oddity or a novelty. But I was talking about...
Jack Catterall's first fight with Bozianis in
this corner. They're like, who the fuck is Bozianis?
And they're like, what the hell are you talking
about? They were looking at me like I was fucking
weird. I'm like, damn it. That's when you realize
they're the hardcores. Yeah, yeah. I'm a degenerate.
I bring this up, I'm like, guys, like, we are
the super, super, like, 0 .5 % hardcores. Yeah,
they were softcore fans. South Core, okay. That
was the co -main, right? The one that happened
before it, Adam Azeem stopping Kurt Scooby. This
was where all the people around me figured out
that I was not British. Because I was cheering
for Kurt Scooby and everyone was looking at me
like, what? I was like, what? He's American and
so am I. And so, like, the people sitting around
me, they're, like, poking fun. Like, Adam Azim's
gonna fucking kill him. And it turns out that's
exactly what happened. But it was all in good
fun. Ah, and then the disappointment that was
the main event. Connor Benn scores a knockdown
on Chris Eubank as he, what, cruised to a UD?
Yeah, like... Eubank was so gone. Shinata was
saying that he was weight -drained. Yeah, absolutely.
Weight -drained in age. It doesn't help that
Bomac ate all of the food he could ever possibly
get a hold of, probably. I would say that age
was probably the bigger factor, honestly. The
biggest. He looked old. Last time he was 162,
but he looked just fine. I think, yeah, several
harsh weight cuts back to back to back. Being
pretty old and having a war with Conor Benn probably,
yeah. Yeah, you're right. It all adds up. Probably
just get him in and that's it. Yeah, yeah. He
gave it his all last time, you know, and this
time around he's just... Nothing. He got knocked
down by Conor Benn, the welterweight, so... I
mean... I laughed at the knockdown. You laughed
at the knockdown? The knockdown happened. I was
like, I'm fucking out of here. This is over.
Were you kind of disappointed about that fight
or what? Yeah, I was. I was expecting better
from Eubank. Do you think that ticket was worth
the money? The Catterall fight was fun. The Scooby
fight was pretty fun. Showed me a lot about Adam
Azeem. Like, he's just... It's pretty, like,
what, semi -legit now? I would say, yeah. It's
pretty okay. So, I got to see those. The ReactPoor
knockout was fun. It was a pretty sad affair,
but, meh. Still, it was a knockout. Overall,
you got a pretty good 50 -cent concert out of
it. I did. And, you know, there's something,
like, sporting events here in the U .S., you
can only buy two drinks at a time. And if you
want to buy more, you have to have other people
with you. Yeah, I blame baseball for that. Old
50 cent beer night. And yeah. So when I was there,
I went up to the beer counter and I asked for
a pint. And they were like, how many? Like, how
many am I allowed to get? Yeah. So that was pretty
cool. You got wasted, huh? No, I didn't get wasted.
Just ingratiated myself with the people around
me. It's like, hey, American bought you a beer.
Would you like one? That's fucking cool, man.
It was fun. The guy sitting behind me, Major
Eubank Stan, kept screaming. Major Eubank Stan?
Yeah, he kept screaming, like, go on, my son.
Yeah, it's literally that. Oh, my God. Yes. The
line. He said the line. He did. It was pretty
fun. And he knew who Bomek was, so I was like,
alright, you're cool. Yeah, go on, son. But yeah,
that was a... Overall, it was a fun experience.
The crowds are... They have more crowd engagement.
They have songs and stuff that everybody knows.
what to do. That sounds a lot more fun than being
in a warehouse. Fucking Riyadh. Yeah. But you
know what? Let me say this, though. I think...
You guys think Eubank's done? Oh, yeah. Sounds
like it. There's no way he, like, rebounds. You
guys don't think so? I don't... He's been talking
like he's done. So, I don't think his heart's
in it anymore. Okay, okay. Well, maybe we'll
see him one day, maybe not. But if not, then
Conor Benn took that rematch. And he fucking
fucked him up. So, I gotta give my hat off to
fucking Conor Benn. All respect to him. Off to
Ryan Garcia. Before we get to ring four, really
quickly, did you guys catch the Japanese card
with Takuma Inoue? I didn't watch all of the
main, but I did watch Carlos Cuadras fight. Yeah,
Tomoya Suboi beats the fucking piss out of a
very, very old Carlos Cuadras. Yeah. That was
pretty sad. Pretty obvious. Carlos Cuadras is
like almost 40. I think he's done after that.
It showed. Yeah, I think he's done too. He has
to be done. He's like a fucking... He's killing
himself in there at that point. Asking for some
fucking CT. He's got to hang him up, dude. Yeah.
He had a good run. And in the main event, Takuma
Inoue fucking embarrasses Tenshin Asakawa, who
did not cry this time. So, that's cool. I know
Shinada was happy. She was. Shinada was so happy.
Yeah, I had to grovel being the tension fanboy
that I am. Mr. Japanese Lomachenko? Yeah. That
ain't short milk. Accurate to being the Japanese
Lomachenko. He lost. That's true. It's Kaleo.
You ate crow and I ate crow too. Speaking of
eating crow, let's get to it. We're going to
start with it. Sorry, sorry. I'm looking at a
tank tweet that just got deleted. Justin? Is
it the one where he's threatening Ray Jackson's
kid? Ray's daughter? Yeah. That's fucking weird.
That is messed up. Jesus Christ, man. You definitely
beat that woman. I'll tell you that. Just make
him fight Subaru Matias already, Al. Come on.
All right. Make him fight fucking Amanda Serrano
or something. I don't know. That's got to be
cut. That's got to be cut? That's got to be cut.
I was saying that like Amanda Serrano is going
to beat his ass. That's too good, bro. Sorry.
I was saying that in support of Bennis Ronald.
I think she'll kick his ass. Cut to the ramen
spot. No, cut to the... Ah, shit. Well, that's
why he's not in fucking ramen anymore. Sorry,
guys. That's why, bro. Where's fuck? Do the Patreon
you go. Oh, my God. Eating Crow. Devin Haney.
Fucking... Knocks down Brian Norman Jr. He looked
good for welterweight. Like, at welterweight,
he looked good. Yeah, he looked fantastic. Well,
not fantastic, but he looked... He didn't look
as scared shitless as he did. To all the B -Side
listeners that have been listening to my voice
ever since I started this podcast, a little -known
story if you guys are barely more of a recent
listener. The reason I'm on this podcast is because
of Brian Norman Jr. And I tried to tell him,
Leo, that... that he could put some problems
against Boots. Man, I ate some fucking crow that
night. I'm not going to lie. I was about to cry.
I was pissed. And, you know, I was just yelling
at the TV like, Norman, come on. Seriously? Do
something, dude. Come on. You know, keep your
head off center. Remember, I told you guys, the
biggest problem is going to be if he doesn't
keep his head off center line. You were like,
go on, son. Go on, my son. Go on, my son. The
thing with Norman is that, honestly, at near
the end, he was adjusting, but not enough to
the point where he'd win the fight. That knockdown
broke the heart of fucking everybody that was
rooting for him. Because the rest of those first,
like, what, two or three rounds? They were pretty
good. It was a fun fight. And then after that,
it was just a classic Haney clinch fest, you
know? So we got to deal with more Haney in the
future, and Norman will... You know what? I fully
agree with all the Haney fans. He's ready for
the best. Give him Boots, Crawford, and Benavidez
back -to -back -to -back eight weeks apart each.
I want to see Haney go against Boots. I'm officially
on the Haney hate train. I've seen enough. Haney
can do it. Boots, Crawford, Benavidez back -to
-back -to -back. Then Usyk as the final boss.
Yeah, Usyk four weeks after Benavidez. Sounds
lovely. All jokes aside, I got to give my hats
off to Devin Haney. No, everybody doubted him,
and I doubted him severely. I thought he was
going to get knocked out. Obviously, he didn't.
He got the nod, so hats off to him. Devin Haney,
we'll see you against Ryan Garcia as well. Two
bums. Two bums. I'm not quite off the Haney hate
train. Maybe Norman was worse than projected
because we did fall for top -ranked lies. Well,
I will say this, that if they get him a good
trainer, he could come back maybe a couple fights.
Give him like five, six more fights, he'll probably
be back in title contention again. Yes, and someone
will believe top -ranked lies once again. Yeah,
but honestly, I'm going to still follow Brian
Norman Jr. I'm not going to get on that. I got
to get on that Brian Norman Jr. hate watch. I'm
still on that train just because, you know, I
have to. You don't have to. Your agenda is your
agenda. You know, I got to stick with the guy.
I got to stick with him. Okay, fair enough. Going
down with the ship? Oh, I'm going to go down
with that fucking ship, baby. Saul's a good captain.
I will guide that shit. I mean, if he ever comes
back, you know, beats boots, fuck. You're a good
captain. Nah, but for all intents and purposes,
I don't see Brian Ramsey Jr. coming back at the
top of contention for years. You know? So I wish
him the best. I really sincerely hope that he
comes back. And better than ever. With a better
trainer, too. Abdullah Mason. Clean Sam Noakes'
fucking clocks. Fire to your contender. Yeah,
I was really shocked at how rugged Noakes was
because he was getting pieced up and he just
did not quit. He got that dog in him. I forgot
we didn't have a podcast for this card. My take
was that Dylan Mason fought an incredibly stupid
fight that made Noakes look better than he is.
Yes. Yeah, I agree, but Noakes held out. He put
up a fight. You could hear his corner say, stick
him with your jab and then take him. If he just
listened to his corner, it isn't even an adjustment
that he could have made this hypothetically.
His corner was giving him the adjustment. Because
every time Mason got full leverage on the shot,
On Noakes. Noakes looked like he was ready to
go. So, like, yes, Noakes is a tough son of a
bitch. It really helped him that Mason just smothered
most of his work and made him look competent
in there. Which honestly does raise some questions
about Mason's ability to be coachable. Yeah,
that's what I'm saying. Long -term developmentally,
he's going to run into some issues if he doesn't
listen to his corner. Because it's not like...
They're giving him a complicated instruction.
They're saying, throw your fucking jab at his
head, please. Yeah. It's because, you know, they've
been telling him for the longest time he's brought
the best prospect, which he is. I got to give
him a flower. Of course I'm going to give him
a flower. Mason is the best prospect, right,
that we had this year because now he's a champion,
of course. But, you know, it's just maybe a little
bit of ego took over. You never know. And again,
this is what we see. There's definitely more
behind the scenes that we don't see. 100%. This
is like our little ideas, you know? Do you think
he was trying to make it a spectacle for his
title fight? He definitely wanted to stop Noakes,
but... Yeah. Because he kept going forehead to
forehead. That shit was weird. Yeah. That's some...
That's a... That's a pressure fighter right there.
He was fighting like a pressure fighter. He's
not a pressure fighter. That's not his style.
But it is what it is. He got the job done. But
he really needs to learn after this. Because
if he wasn't there with a harder puncher, he
would have been out. Yeah. Trying to think what
could be next for him. He needs to fight some
fucking bums. Mokes or Mason? Mason first. Mason
needs some time to build himself up a little
more because he's only, what, 21? He's currently
the youngest champion in boxing right now, which
is fucking fantastic. That's a great feat. Lucas
Boddy right there. I was just about to mention
him. You fucking read my mind. Lucas Boddy. Similar
to Noakes, not as tough. Will punish you if you
decide to be a fucking idiot. But, like, he's
old, he's smaller. Let's do the opposite. Let's
say... What can he do that, like, you know, for
a better competition? If he wants better competition...
If he wants better competition... Hypothetically,
right? Hypothetically, let's do better competition.
Well, he can get fried by Andy Cruz. William
Zepeda. Yeah, well, I was going to say William
Zepeda or he can just get fried by Andy Cruz
and we can end the Abdullah Mason experience
there. Abdullah Mason fighting Murtaya versus
Andy Cruz winner. If Murtaya wins that one for
some reason, I think that would be a really good
unification fight and that's a winnable fight
for Mason. That's a good fight, yeah. Schofield,
if Schofield doesn't pull out. He might stub
his toe. Yeah, he might get poisoned again by
Shakur Stevenson. But that fight ain't happening,
though. The issue with Schofield now isn't even
just his willingness to take fights. It's other
people's willingness to sign a fight with him,
knowing that he might just pull out for no reason.
Yeah. I mean, it was fucking Pedro Diaz. So,
I mean, fuck him. Jesus. Yeah. And Sam Noakes,
I think this gave him some profile. Like you
guys were saying, Mason's boneheadedness gave
Sam Noakes more shine than he really deserved.
That being said, I don't think it's going to...
Like, Noakes is definitely going to get a nice
payday out of it, but it will not be to his benefit
because it's going to be... Like, it's going
to be, let's say, the rebound of whoever loses
between Cruz and Moritaya. Either loser beats
him. Yeah, like he's going to end up being a
rebound for a guy. Like now the top matchups
are starting to slowly be made. He's going to
be a rebound for one of the top guys who lose.
And since they're not idiots, they're going to
make him look like a fool. Well, Noakes is Queensberry,
right? Yeah, but the thing is that as much as
you want to say, oh, Frank won't cash him out.
For a Saudi percentage cut, for, like, for the
Saudis, he'll cash anyone out. Yeah, for the
Saudi milk machine, no. Like, be real, like,
was the only reason for Usyk -Dubois 2 to happen,
realistically, was, like, yeah, undisputed or
whatever, but really, that was cashing Dubois
out on a Saudi card. Saudi -sponsored card. So
Frank would totally cash him out, especially
Noakes. Noakes is a 28 -year -old lightweight
whose boxing skills are not enough to beat any
other top guy. So you kind of want to cash him
out before he gets a loss domestically or in
Europe. What weight is Josh Padley? Padley is
also... He's a Josh Padley thug. That would be
a bad fight. That's a good rebound. That's actually
a perfect rebound. Yeah. Padley is a super featherweight.
But, again, Shakur dragged him up to 135. He's
going to say he fought Shakur at 135. Yeah, he
fought... He got that stoppage win. After that,
the 135. And then he moved down to 130. So you
can totally bring him back up to 135 to fight
Noakes for a Noakes rebound. Before cashing Noakes
out again. But the thing is that Padley's matchroom.
Yeah, I was going to say cross promo. Probably
not going to happen. So how willing are you if
you're Eddie Hearn? Because that would be cashing
Padley out. For no real gain. Maybe they gained
some favor with Turkey. You know where it could
happen? If they did another 5v5. I would not
want to see another 5v5. That was some... Oh,
the 5v5 was a mess. But I'm saying that's probably
the best spot for a Padley -Nokes fight. Yeah.
I guess, yeah. You're right. Oh, shit. Oh, now
we're getting to the really good stuff. Bam knocks
out Puma Martinez in 10. Beautiful performance.
I think probably the best performance of his
career. Yeah. I don't know. For Bam, I have a
special fondness for that first, like the fight
that put him on the map. Yeah. It was Quadrus,
right? Yeah, as old as Quadrus was, whatever,
I do have a special fondness for moving up two
weights, fighting Quadrus on no notice and beating
him up. I think, yeah, this one and that one,
I hold them both in high regard. Probably that
one, the one that put him on the spot is probably
the most famous, but this one I think is really,
probably was a hard fight. I'll give... See,
on one end, he beat Kazuto. See, it's hard to
rate Puma accurately because he did beat Kazuto
Ioka and Ankahas. They're both old. And he's
also old. He's 34 at super flyweight and Ioka's
36. Ankahas is 33. At super flyweight, you're...
Like, you're going to break a hip, buddy. So,
I do respect Bam for actually, like, this guy.
Like, Puma is good. It's just, like, it's hard
to rate wins at the lower weight classes that
are, like, the absolute creme de la creme. Well,
you got to weigh him based on, you know, on the
weight class itself, you know? Undefeated title
holder. Undefeated title holder. It's a good
win. But I'm saying, like... The fights that
are going to end up defining him are still down
the road, and I don't think he wins either of
them. Like, he's going to be... He's going to
be... He's obviously great and very good, but,
like, you know, there's... It's a very steep
cliff between that and, like, you're the best
of your era at these weights. I think he gets
that Nakatani fight if any beats him. That is
me. I think he's going to fight Willy Baldo for
the last belt first. If he wins, right? Yeah,
he's going to get that last belt, but I think
he will end up fighting either Inoue or Nakatani,
and that's going to be his career fight. That's
what we're making. I don't like it happening
sooner than later for Bam, just because, like...
Both of them, right, like, the thing is that
losing, he's going to lose to Inoue right now,
but Inoue might get older and it becomes a winnable
fight. And with Nakatani, losing to Nakatani
is more than just, oh, you lose back to the drawing
board. Like, it is, it's likely a career -altering
beating if he loses to Nakatani. Well, you never
know how Nakatani loses to Inoue. If Nakatani
loses in a way bad, then you're going to have
to reevaluate that. That's what I mean by a matter
of time. Like, if you made Bam Nakatani next,
like, Bam loses and it's not a pretty loss. They're
not risking that fight with fucking Nakatani
in any way. Yeah. Well, they already kind of
are, but... Yeah, the turkey curse. I'm feeling
really bad about that one. I'm pretty sure we're
going to talk about it next week, right? On the
next one. Yeah. I'll get into more on that one,
but that's going to go bad, I think. Bam's in
a good spot right now. Finish unifying the division
and see what your options are then. But there's
no rush to go fight Inoue or Nakatani. There's
good fights at 118. Oh, yeah. There's on Inoue
that he can beat. Yeah. Seiya Tsutsumi. He's
a fun style. You know what? Make Bam tension.
Bam tension and let's make Shinada happy. We're
going to be in a battle of the angles, man. Let's
make Shinada happy when Bam beats the hell out
of tension. Speaking of beating the hell out
of, David Benavidez stops Anthony Yard in seven.
That was a fun fight. With the comms, not with
the comms, with that crowd, it made it boring
in my opinion. That sounds weird, but the way
I saw it, if the fighters fighting themselves,
that was fucking gangbusters. A crowd? You need
a crowd. You definitely need a crowd. I can't
keep watching these fights in Saudi anymore.
It's horrible. It's more lively crowds when they
were doing fights in the COVID bubble. Oh, yeah.
Those fake crowds, too. I gotta say, the fight
itself went pretty much as expected. I don't
think anyone expected the fight to go any differently.
We did get the clip of Yard holding on to Benavidez's
arm for dear life and getting punched like 30
times with the one arm. At first, from seeing
it from that angle originally, I thought that
Yard or that Benavidez was holding his head.
I thought so too. Look at Yard just grabbing
on for dear life to his arm. Like, fucking hilarious.
The one thing I had to say about it is that color
afterwards. I understand that Azul and Ramirez
fight is big, quote -unquote, for the Mexican
community, but we all want to see that better
BF fight. I think that should have been the next
fight, in my opinion. I don't think... BF and
better BF are both on huge layoffs because of
injuries or whatever, and also kind of only interested
in each other. Because for whatever reason, they're
1 -1. I don't get that, though. If the time is
there, it gives you another title and makes it
important to beat it again. It's stupid, but
let's be real. Better BF at his advanced age
could just become decrepit overnight. He has
a history of injuries, nagging injuries, too.
He's old. It's pretty... It's pretty likely at
this point that Benavidez just beats him. Yeah.
Which is, like, not what BetterBF wants, obviously.
But it would be a hell of a fight. And Bibble
doesn't really care because he's rehabbing his
back surgery, yeah. Yeah. So, for BetterBF, it's
easier to just wait and get that extra Saudi
payday with Bibble than at age 40. Getting sent
to the back of the line because Benavidez beats
you. Right. That's true. That's true. The one
thing I do got to say if he fights Zurdo is that
he's going to beat him. And that might make some
money with an Opetai fight because Opetai right
now, especially after what happened recently,
he's looking like he's on fire. I think that
fight might materialize to be something bigger.
We'll see. What can Anthony Yard do from here?
Is he relegated to the B tier? Is this a permanent
relegation? He's been in the B tier. Now he's
stuck. The cracks were there when he lost to
Lennon Arthur the first time. He probably won't
win a world title. No, unfortunately not. But
you know what? I got to respect that he put up
a good fight against Benavidez. And you know
what? He wasn't hurting Benavidez, but he was
catching him. I mean, I guess, but I think he's
definitely slowed down. A good bit of his power
comes from his speed, and he just doesn't have
it. Because, like, those are shots that, like,
they came fast enough at better BF to at least
make him think twice. Benavidez, it just kind
of just rolled him over. Oh, yeah. And I think,
like, he's definitely over the hill because he's
a very, he's an athletic guy, right? Yeah, definitely.
He's over the hill for sure. He's been in wars.
Again, he's been badly stopped three times. Oh,
they even docked Benavidez the two points for
hitting him while he was down. Yeah, that's...
Yard probably could have milked that for the
Glenn Johnson. Milk it for the DQ? Yeah, the
Glenn Johnson DQ. But what I want to see next
for Anthony Yard is honestly a Callum Smith fight.
I think that would be a great regional fight
where people will buy tickets and... Maybe not
pay -per -view, but it would be a good watch
for the Brits. Oh, you know they'd put that on
pay -per -view. Yeah. I'd watch that, too. I'm
not, you know... I can't say that on here, but,
you know, I'm not... I'm not gonna be a... Hey,
they'll suck the money out of your ass. Out of
my ass? I don't know about that. Maybe someone
like Lin, but, I mean... Oh, shit. We are making
good time, actually. Montel Griffin. He could
have done the Montel Griffin. There we go. I
had to look up my reference. Well, anything more
for Ring 4? Let's see. Two minutes. Benavidez
flies. Norman dies. Did I say two bums already?
Yes, I did. Yes. Yes. All right. Let me put some
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Not a lot on the preview side. Fucking bash boxing
promotions. It's going to be on Prime. Badu Jack
vs. Norair Makalian. Is this the one on YouTube?
Is it going to be on YouTube? I saw it was going
to be on Prime. Oh, no. One of them was on YouTube.
One of the previews. Let me see. Uh... No, no.
It's Gassi Apulef that's on YouTube. Which isn't
on this. Oh, shit. It's going to be on YouTube.
It's some bullshit with Nico Ali Walsh and then
Kubrat Pulev. Oh, then IBA. Yeah, IBA Pro 13.
All right. Clearly not that important, honestly.
No one wants to watch Nico Ali Walsh. Oh, but
I want to see him do the Ali shuffle some more.
Lose a majority decision to a high school teacher
while doing the Ali shuffle. Hey, did you guys
know that this guy might have been related to
Muhammad Ali? Yeah, maybe. Hard to believe. I
would have heard about that much sooner. Same
name, different social security number. Two bums?
Yeah, two bums. Badu Jack, Norair McHalean, WBC
Cruiserweight title. Rematch. Enjoy. Oh, shit.
Matchroom on DAZN in Stockton, California. Just
going to cherry pick on my way up here. Shavon
Clark versus Anthony Holloway. Arturo Popoca.
It's a fun name. Sweet, sweet Sky Nicholson versus
Yulia Luna Vila. And back from the dead, Gabe
Flores Jr. vs. Joe Cordina. And then Diego Pacheco
headlining vs. Kevin Lele Sajo. Is Sajo any good?
I don't know. I've never seen him before. Lovely.
26 -0. He's a Frenchman. Yeah, he's from Cameroon.
Lives in France now. Fights almost exclusively
in France. Nickname is The Punisher. Hey, wasn't
it about a year ago, wasn't it the 13th, that
a certain Mexican got knocked out by a Frenchman?
French super middleweight? I love it. Is that
happened about a year ago, right? Am I tripping?
Oh, Jesus. You know what? If Pacheco starts blocking
punches with his face, we'll let you know. Shit,
okay. I think I might got Sajo. Just because
of that. Can't doubt the French anymore. Oh,
yeah. And then I got Sajo, and then now I got...
fucking Cordina. That's it, though. That's all
we got on the previews. It's a light weekend.
Hot diggity. Hot diggity. Go out with your family
and watch the fight on the phone. Oh, yeah. When
I was talking with Shanada about it, I was like,
yeah, this might be a good weekend to If you
have other plans or if you can make other plans,
DAZN will be there when you get back. Oh, yeah.
Yeah, 100%. If you can do something else, fucking
go do that. Go touch grass. Yeah. Well, I'm saying
take the phone with you and watch it while you're
out. Hell no. Actually, we're not about to get
sued. I'm not about to say that. We're going
to get sued. Let them suck the money out of your
ass. But, yeah. Just watch the fight while you're
out and enjoy yourself. If you're having dinner
with your kids, watch the fight. You can tell
your kids that it's because of Skye Nicholson
that mom left. She left because you're into snow
bunnies now. Sorry, Skye. Making jokes at your
expense. No, I respect this guy. Just in today,
she said that Pacheco's her favorite fighter.
Oh, come on. They're doing a lot of promotion
together for the card. Yeah, well. Let's fucking
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takes. Let us know why you think Norman's going
to come back. Or not. He's going to beat Haney
in the rematch. Hell yeah. Let us know. Hex Cobb.
He ran out of time. I know you're listening.
I don't know why you took my food the other night,
but okay. So yeah, parting words. I'll start
the parting words this time. If you can, I know
it's difficult these days, but if you can, travel.
Go do stuff in places other places even if it's
just like a the next city over or something go
see other places it's good for your brain i'm
gonna do the last one you do you go next josh
trying to think about my parting words i don't
have one right now pro box good two bums pro
box pro box good is always a good one Isn't Pro
Bucks coming up? Wasn't there even a Pro Bucks?
Yeah, it's next week. Okay. Okay, yeah. Pro Bucks,
good. Alright, well. My parting words are going
to be Bam, I love you. Norman, you can do better
next time. I hope you come back. Benavidez, great
job. Please fight better, B. One thing I do want
to say that I think I just want to get out the
way, honestly. If we have any Saudi people listening,
when I say the word the Saudis, if I say those
words, I don't mean you guys. You guys are great.
I love all my fans, but I love all the fans of
this pod. Any Saudis. And also, I wasn't paid
by the Saudi government to say this, by the way.
I wish. The Saudi government, if you'd like to
pay us, we will change our opinions for the bag.
I'll take the bag and then, you know, thumb the
fuck off, but, you know. I will change my opinions
for the bag. Maybe if you slide a couple... A
couple stacks. A couple stacks, maybe. By the
way, when I say the Saudis, I don't mean the
people. The people are beautiful. When I say
the Saudis, I mean the Saudi government and Turkey.
I just want to clear that up. And I wanted to
end it off the pot with something that Leo used
to do that I've actually haven't heard him do
in a while. It's a quote. Oh, shit. A quote.
Quote of the day. I want to do a quote, actually.
I wanted a quote from George Foreman. To be successful
in life, you must get in the habit of turning
negatives into positives. So, Norman, you got
to turn the negative into positive. That's all
I got. I love my people. Love you guys. See you
guys next time. All right. That's it for this
edition of the Boxing B -Sides. Fucking see you
on the other side of your... Hit me up. Let me
know what you did instead of staying inside and
watching these fucking abysmal cards.