The B -Side in boxing. B -Side shit. B -Side.
B -Side. And the B -Side. You got a B -Side.
The B -Side. B -Side. B -Side. B -Side. The B
-Side thing. This is the B -Sides Boxing Podcast.
Oh shit. Alright. Let's fucking do this thing.
Boxing B -sides. Back up in your ears, bitch.
Joined by the one and only Saul. Let's fucking
go, Virgil. I can't even hold it in. Let's fucking
go, Virgil. And Josh, the rant man. The rant
man. Congrats, Virgil. Boots in four. We'll talk
about it more right now, but go fuck yourself.
It went up, it went up, it went up. I had boots
in three. That's true. I respect that. I respect
that. Now we're boots in four. That's an improvement,
which means it's going to be Virgil in five.
Let's get some news out of the way. Ray Murataya
versus Andy Cruz. This is for the IBF 135 title.
God bless. Andy Cruz is going to own this guy.
You think so? Absolutely. Morotaya has the Robert
Garcia buff. The Robert Garcia buff. Andy Cruz
has... Yes. I will say, I have a slight... The
slight feeling, we talked about this last week,
that, like, the thing that Bokrum is not doing,
Andy Cruz is kind of coasted by its TVA. Oh,
he's been playing himself up or playing himself
down. Yeah, he's been. I don't think purposely.
I just think he's coasted. Like, he doesn't need
to. Nah. He doesn't need to step it up. I mean,
if you look at his fights with Keyshawn and the
amateurs, he only puts in as much as he needs.
He gets what he gets. Yeah. A little bit more.
Just to win. Again, Murataya, top guy in the
division. Definitely is going to bring something
good out of Andy Cruz. Oh, speaking of bringing
out the best, Teofimo versus Shakur. It's all
but certain for January. Do you think Teofimo
can bring the best out of Shakur? I think he
can. Yes. Yes. If he shows up prepared. I hope
praying to God that like Joey Gamache works for
like pennies or something. I'm going to say a
controversial opinion about this fight. And honestly,
I don't want to make it seem like I'm supporting
a racist because I don't support Teofimo. You
know, I don't support him anymore for that shit.
But every time Teofimo has fought, and I know
you guys don't support Loma as much as others
do. but he was the first to legitimately beat
him. I think that with Josh Taylor, too, he stepped
up. I know you guys can talk smack about Josh
Taylor, too, but those were his two best wins.
I don't talk shit about the Lomachenko victory.
No, that was a good win. I give Joey Gamache
crazy amounts of credit because say what you
will about Teofimo's inherent talent, he's also
not smart. That is a fucking screw -up. Like,
he's an idiot. He's an idiot. So the fact that
Joey Gamache was able to get this raw athletic
material to outsmart guys like Lomachenko is...
I'm very impressed. Underrated. I give a lot
of credit there. What I will say with Teofimo
is that I don't really see him winning the fight
because the fighters that he's looked worst against
are fighters that are similar to Shakur. Not
similar in the sense of skill, but similar in
the sense of style. You know, what was it? I
forgot his name. It's on the top of my head.
It was the Greatest Showman card. You guys remember
that? It was against... Yeah. What was his name?
Please don't mind me. I'm looking now. Jermaine
Ortiz? Jermaine Ortiz. There you go. Jermaine
Ortiz. Jermaine Ortiz. That fight was atrocious.
I think the Sandor one was worse, man. He couldn't
even stay on his own two feet. I think he lost
that. But Sandor was a negative fighter, though.
Sandor was more of a negative fighter. I know,
but again, there's ways to fight negative fighters.
You can 12 -0 him, like Boots did once, and 10
-2 him the second time. Or you can arguably lose
to a negative fighter. When he fought Jermaine
Ortiz, I'll say this in general of Teo, he does
best going backwards. Teo cannot fight on the
offense and cut off the ring properly. He cannot.
We saw that with Jermaine Ortiz. We saw that
with Sandro Martin. And he's with Reynoso. And
he's with Reynoso. That makes it even worse.
It's going to be rough. I was going to say, burning
that bridge with Gamache was not a great thing.
He's with Eddie Reynoso? Why? Well, his primary
trainer is his dad, but you know how he bounces
between gyms like Haney does. Okay. But he's
with Reynoso as his... The camp. His real coach.
He might just pop for PDs. He might just pop.
Oh, man. No, seriously. Honestly, I will say
I'm excited for Shakur to get a legitimate actual
top win. Yeah, say what you want about Teofimo.
He is a top win. If he beats Teofimo... And if
Shakur doesn't shit his pants, he should totally
put as much of a pasting as he can on Teofimo.
I mean, what I'll say about what... Right now,
Shakur's resume is lacking, so Tio will obviously
be the best win on his resume. And is... I think
probably Tio's first legitimate fight in like...
What years? 25 years? Yeah. I don't know. I understood
Barboza was also a decent win, but... You know,
Shakur... If you beat Shakur, that would be a
good... a pretty damn good fucking win. I'm glad
it's happening. Like, it's not gonna be a fun
fight in the slightest. Like, either direction
that it could happen, like, either it's boring
and it's even, it's boring and it's one -way
traffic for Shakur, or it's boring and it's one
-way traffic for Teofimo, because he's not, even
if he, like, is able to get on top of Shakur,
he's not gonna be landing much power. It's just
gonna be overwhelming him. Yeah. So it's not
interesting, but it's one for the purists. I
think it's interesting. It's going to be who
has the better counter -punching abilities. I'm
saying in terms of excitement, this is not a
fight of the year contender ever. No. Oh, no.
It's interesting to us because we are hardcore,
and it's interesting to boxing fans who like
boxing matches, but I'm saying no one's going
to be put out to pasture bar a huge fuck -up
from Shakur. Yeah, me too. We'll be able to recover
from it if he loses. Well, most likely when he
loses. I think Shakur needs to win. He needs
it. He's so in the negative if he loses. Oh,
yeah. For multiple reasons, too. He's a no -reward,
all -risk guy if he loses this. Yeah. If Shakur
loses, This fight, I'm not gonna lie, it's gonna
be really hard for him to come back. Yeah, we
might not see him in a major card again. Like,
he's gonna... He's probably gonna have to go
the pro box route. Yeah. Or at least if I can
actually, like, legitimately fight. You know?
Yeah. I mean, I'm not saying he doesn't, you
know, he doesn't show off beautiful boxing skills,
but... But, I mean, no one's gonna watch. No
one cares about that. No one's gonna watch it.
Yeah, nobody wants... I mean, we like it. Even
the peers don't even like that. A lot of the
time. I like it. But even me, I'm like, damn.
I want to see someone like Keyshawn more. Because
he has skills and power. And he fights. You know?
I got a question for you guys. Of course. So
there's casual fans. Then there's the hardcore
fans. What do you call the ones in the middle?
Well, I feel like there's two levels of hardcore.
And there's two levels of casual. Let me explain
my four levels of boxing fandom, I guess. With
a theory? We get a new theory? Yeah, that's what
I was aiming for. Your super casuals are your
guys who tune in. They know Mike Tyson and Floyd
Mayweather, and that's it. They see those names.
They open their wallets. That's the Mayweather
-McGregor paying audience. They're guys who watch
the NFL and then they tune in the boxing when
it's something attractive to them. It's convenient.
It's something they know and it's something that
they can get excited about because they don't
know any better. Next is the regular casual.
They know Tank. They know your names. And they
pay for a pay -per -view or two every year. And
these are the guys who go to fights like they
would a concert. It's a whole spectacle. It's
a night out. This is the paying audience you
actually care about and want to cater to. They
make up most of the money in boxing because it's
their whole... you book a night off work on a
Friday to go to go and pregame and go make the
trip out to a fight working stiff yeah like they
they don't know about like the niche or guys
and it's a little frustrating sometimes but this
is where like this is the the audience that boxing
needs they watch it on Fox they want like when
there's nothing on on Thursdays and Fox used
to have for the their cards on Thursdays Does
this level of audience know Inoue? They should
start. They know Inoue off of Instagram highlights.
Okay. They don't know anything below Phantom
White. Yeah. They don't know Cruiserweight. Most
of their fighters they follow, they get them
off Instagram and social media highlights and
then decide to pay and tune in. It's that type
of casual. Then they get the hardcores. These
guys pay, like, they pay for DAZN type stuff.
They know they're fighters, but they're not in
-depth. Like, they care. They would rather watch,
they would still rather watch a barn burner than,
like, the two best guys fighting each other if
it was boring. T .O. Shakur kind of thing? Yeah.
Like, this is a... Like, they'd rather watch,
like, let's say, Virgil Boots instead of, like,
a Canelo Crawford or a Fury Usyk. Like, Canelo
Benavidez is probably their most anticipated
fight. Ah, I see. For, like, thinking hardcore.
Then the super hardcores is basically where us
and most other... online people end up like the
0 .1 % they don't pay for sorry the sport sucks
the money out of their ass and like they know
all the guys they appreciate good boxing matches
even if like again it's a lot of you talk about
the sport you're active about it the money the
money is less But you keep they end up keeping
the interest alive because you have to like your
co -worker will be like, wow, that virtual guy
is pretty cool. I saw an Instagram highlight
and then you end up being like, oh, you put like
the ultra hardcores end up planting the idea
in the casual, the second tier casuals of watching
these guys. Like you would never pay, but. your
friend would pay to have it on the TV at their
place with some beers. And they say, well, I
saw this clip of this Virgil Ortiz guy. He looks
pretty cool. And then you say, hey, you should
check out this dude, Jerron Ennis. You should
check out Jerron Ennis. That's like his rival
right now. Yeah, or this Inouye guy. Yeah. No,
that's how you keep the paying audience. oh,
I saw this Inoue guy, like, nuke this other guy
on the ESPN ringside on Instagram, and you go
like, oh, he's fighting next week on here. We
can go to your place and watch it. Like, the
ultra -hardcore's almost responsibility, which
some people don't get, is you're basically the
one introducing the sport to people. Like, you're
planting the idea of watching it. So basically
religion. Yeah, basically. We're selling a Ponzi
scheme. The Church of Box. Church of Box. Because
the regular hardcores don't really... They appreciate
the sport. They watch a lot of it, but they don't...
They're not enthusiastic enough to share it,
I feel. Are they the greys that come in asking
for streams all the time? Yeah, basically. I
feel like that level is more like a... casual
than a but it's no but it's a hardcore it's a
hardcore compared to a casual like a hardcore
knows that there's a fight going on they just
don't like they just don't care really outside
of their own entertainment of the fight like
a hardcore will watch their country's boxing
but they won't watch in other countries like
again you gotta remember Like, all the greys
that come in, like, they're casuals to us because
we're, like, the 0 .1 % hardcores that, like,
we're here, like, soiling our pants over Inoue
Nakatani. That is a casual fight, though. That
is a very casual fight. I don't think so. No.
No one knows who Nakatani is. They know who Inoue
is through Instagram highlights. Maybe not to
us, but Japanese, the Japanese people, that's
a casual fight. Oh, that's suitable for them.
Oh, for sure. I use the Western lens because
it's where most of the money in the sport, unfortunately,
comes from. Like the natural money, not the Saudi
money. Yeah. Like the naturally occurring money
comes from selling out stadiums in the States.
Yeah. That's just where it is. All the biggest
fights happen when you sell out Vegas. And everyone
there... It's a vacation for them. It's an event.
So, like, again, it's always, like, we're the
0 .1 % hardcores. I feel like there's, like,
a missing, like, fifth one, though, right in
between, like, hardcore, casual, casual, hardcore.
I feel like the third, like, the level of hardcore
is a bit of a spectrum. Because, like, with casuals,
it's very defined as, like... They'll tune in
to, like, they've only watched two fights in
ten years, and it's Mike Tyson, Jake Paul, and
Mayweather McGregor. They know who Terrence Crawford
is from the Kendrick Lamar song. Yeah. That's
what I mean. Like, it's very obvious what a casual
is, but from hardcore, there's, like, a hardcore
who, like, they know enough box to watch it,
but not to care, and, like, they care a little
bit, but not, like, enough to know. They don't
go out of their way for it. Yeah, like, they
come in and they'll ask for a stream when it's
a guy they like, but they don't learn more. Like,
the 0 .1 % hardcores are not looking up, like,
who Subriel Matias is fighting next. They don't
know who Pueyo is, as an example. So the 0 .1%,
that's the Discord? Yeah, the Discord. Like,
we are the 0 .1 % hardcores. Complete fucking
nerds. Even if you're, like, willingly obtuse
about not watching some parts of box, you still
know. Like watching the women's fights or the
smaller weight classes? Yeah, like a guy will
go like, I'm not watching midget boxing, but
you're aware of Inoue. And you're aware of Nakatani,
too. I fucking hate BritBox, but I'm aware of
what goes on in BritBox. Again, we surround ourselves
with enough .1 % hardcores that we often remember.
It's like talking to a coworker when you think
about the average person who would... have a
passing knowledge of boxing. I was just trying
to figure out if I could shoehorn the space between
the casual and the hardcore to call them soft
cores. Soft cores? Soft core bands. I think you
can call the first tier hardcore soft core. Honestly.
Again, it's a spectrum. Yeah, it's a spectrum.
I hate to say it, but I saw people being like,
why is no one watching Better BF Gvozdik? It
was like a super fight on top rank. And I'm like,
you said the words Gvozdik and top rank. Like,
you're already, like, for the casual, you have
to say, like, big Russian guy on ESPN. Big Russian
versus big Ukrainian. On ESPN. On ESPN, yeah.
You can't go Gvazdik, better be him on top rank.
Like, that's hardcore language. But that's how
I see it, at least. Like, the amount of people
who actually know about the sport is far less
than we perceive, just because we spend so much
time caring and talking about it with other people
who care and talk about it. So tell me if this
is hardcore language. Emmanuel Navarrete versus
Eduardo Nunez. WBO IBF unification on top rank
in Phoenix. That hardcore language. They don't
even have a TV. They don't even have a TV broadcaster.
Nope. That's why I said top rank. They don't
even have a TV broadcaster. You can't even say,
hey, hop on ESPN this Saturday. Watch ESPN this
Saturday. Top rank on fucking Tubi, bro. You
know how weird it is? You know how bad it is
if you go to your co -worker and say, hey, there's
this Mexican guy. He's pretty cool. You have
to install this app called Farty McDookie that
sounds like malware on your fucking phone to
watch it. Or hop on Brazzers. Yeah. Your phone
treats it like malware or it's browsers or whatever.
Like, no. Or the alternative is hopping on the
high Cs where it is malware. Yeah, it's computer
herpes. It is just malware unless you have a
good ad blocker, which, again, tech literacy
is probably less common than boxing literacy.
Yeah, but this is a good fight, though. I'm excited
for it. Oh, it's absolutely a good fight. I'm
actually still shocked Navarrete hasn't lost
yet. Yeah, you're funny. He's lost already. He's
lost already. I'm saying he hasn't lost, like,
he lost to Baranchik, but I'm saying he hasn't
lost, like, embarrassingly. He hasn't lost his
title. That's kind of embarrassing. Okay, Baranchik
is embarrassing. The excuse is that he moved
up. That's not an excuse for him, dude. I'm saying,
like, I'm shocked he hasn't lost super embarrassingly.
Like, again, a slick decision to Baron Chick
moving up again too far to 135 is whatever. But
I will say somewhere around the time when he
fought, like, Liam Wilson and rigged the scales,
that's when I was like, this is... That was what
I expected him to lose. So I'm shocked he hasn't
lost more embarrassingly. Well, this is going
to be a clubber. This is a barn burner, I think.
Oh, absolutely. It's going to be one hell of
a fight. Honestly, I got Nunez for it, but that's
just me. I'm feeling Nunez too. Nunez is on the
up. He's in his prime, and Navarrete's definitely
been on the downslope for a little while. He's
been around for a while. Listen, man. The rigging
the scale with Liam Wilson is where I kind of
drew the line on Navarrete, and I'm like, how
the fuck... What is happening here? How does
Liam Wilson still drop you when... You showed
up way overweight and rigged the scales. There's
the... That was a fun incident. I forgot he did
that. Liam Wilson, like, right before the fight
is like, I have never weighed 126 pounds in my
life. It's true. He's never weighed 126 pounds
in his life. Yeah, he's always fought at 130,
I believe. He fought 130 and 135, and he fought
at 140 for his first fight. So the fact that
his official weight is 126 pounds for Emmanuel
Navarrete, when Emmanuel Navarrete barely squeezed
in at under 130, a little sus. Just a little.
Well, I mean, you know why. We all know why.
Hey, read the fucking scales. It's so obvious.
I didn't even try and hide it. He's still almost
lost. That's besides the point. I have Nunez.
This one's in my city, so I have to go. I think
Nunez is going to take it, hopefully. I can't
handle another Navarrete win. Jesus. Yeah, top
rank strongest soldier. I feel like top rank
is ready to cash him out. It does seem like...
Oh, they're so done with him. They tried giving
him the Valdez twice just for him to beat the
shit out of Valdez. Valdez was ready for the...
He wasn't ready for the washing machine. He was
ready to be used as a... A rag under a dog bowl.
Apparently, Valdez was that washed. To utilize
Trapo theory. Yep. José Armando Resendiz versus
Edgar Berlanga. In the works for... I know the
connotation of this word goes to something else,
but this is how it was presented to me. First
trimester of 2026. So sometime in the first four
months. Verlanca probably loses this. He should
lose this. I expect him to lose pretty handily.
I don't think there's... It's tough to imagine
him winning. Yeah, I have very little faith in
Edgar Berlanga. It's fun. The King of New York
memes are fun. He sucks. But yeah, he's not very
good. That's all I got of the news, though, unless
there's something else I missed. All right. Let's
get into the recaps. Motherfucking Probox is
back, baby. I only picked up three fights from
this one. Dominic Valle getting the wide UD over
Rene Alvarado. That was a pretty nice outing.
Dominic Valle continues to impress. And his competition
is only going to get better from here. Speaking
of which, Katsuma Akitsugi. He steps it up to
Vincent Australabio, gets the stoppage in seven.
Death by a thousand cuts. That is an impressive
win, I will say. Drop him like five times. Yep,
that is an impressive win. Australabio is no
slouch. I think it was RGF called him, he calls
him Vince Space Pussy. Yeah. Well, I mean, let's
get his name. That's his name. Yeah. That's just
his name. Yeah, it is. There's no slouch. Yeah.
Vincent Space Pussy, always a good check. A skill
check for guys. Yeah, I mean, yeah, he showed
up today. Big time. Oh, that day. No. Big time.
I will note that the Astro Love You... Only other
time he's been that badly done, other than like
a weird flash occurrence in 2018, was Junto Nakatani
obliterating him in one. Yeah, I mean, that's
just Nakatani, though. Yeah. Rumor was that Australabio
had a ruptured appendix, I think it was. That's
why he got blasted in one. Yeah. Believe that
if you will, but... Listen, man, I watched Zhelei
Zhang have his entire body shut down, and he
still made it all ten with Jerry Forrest. Fun
story about that fight. The reason, apparently
the cited reason by Zhang why his body was shutting
down like that was because he didn't drink water
for a week before the fight. What? Well... Do
you want to die? Jerry Forrest? I don't know.
Oh, man. That's fucking dangerous. Oh, shit.
But yeah, Katsuma Kitsugi, he's making him better
every time. So, he's been on Probox fucking how
many times? Three or four. And he's gotten a
stoppage, I believe, three out of four times.
He's not necessarily a stoppage guy. He's got
14 wins, four KOs. Four knockouts. Yeah, but
you know what? Clearly he's got some pop that
you've got to respect him. Yep. Especially three,
again, as you said, three of his four knockouts
are recent. So it could just be that four, six,
eight rounds aren't enough. Yeah, the death by
a thousand cuts is a good moniker. And headlining
the card, Delonte Johnson stops Nicholas Floss
in four. A pretty one -sided affair. I hope to
see Floss back because he's fun. One thing I
was surprised about is that he got knocked out
by, of all people, Tiger Johnson. You know, Tiger
Johnson's good. I'm not trying to put him down,
but he's been shown to be a little pillow -fisting
in the past. So for him to do that, he got that
pro box buff immediately. I'll tell you that.
Yeah, he did. Where the fuck did that come from?
I will say this about Probox. Probox has pretty
small rings. Yeah. 16 -footers. The rings are
smaller than your usual huge 30 -foot rings.
I will say it's a very natural way of encouraging
action. How often do they make those rings that
small, besides Probox? A lot of Mexican cards
have them like that. Mexican cards. Really just
depends on the A -side. Usually the A -side ends
up wanting to make it huge for no reason. Depends
on the A -side style, like Floyd Mayweather would
want a bigger ring. Vladimir Klitschko was infamous
for his huge, huge 32, 36 -foot rings. And a
lot of extra padding. The extra foam. The extra
foam was crazy. Great catch by Peter Fury when
it mattered. Yeah, they likened it to stepping
in sand. Yeah. It checks out. Especially with
a movement fighter. I mean, it's what it is.
Sugar Ray Leonard would always get the, like,
always rejected Mexican gloves for his B -sides.
Yeah, Floyd rejected Marcos Maidana's Mexican
gloves. Okay, those gloves were ridiculous. Yeah,
they were, like, to the extreme. That's different.
Because that's different. Leonard would reject
the Mexican Grants and the Reyes. But those Everlast
MXs that Maidana had, you could see the knuckle
in the fitting videos. You could see Ellerbee's
knuckle when he was looking at it. Those were
ridiculous. Is nobody gonna comment about LRB's
knuckle? LRB's knuckles. Ah, his hands are fat
enough, it could be one. Oh, I thought you were
talking about, like, a moose knuckle. No, you
could, no. I was like, what the fuck? No, like,
through the glove, you could see LRB's knuckles.
Like, it was that bad. Like, that first Maidana
fight, like, the gloves that got rejected were,
like, that was ridiculous. That was comically,
like, unpadded. Anything more for ProBucks? ProBucks,
good. ProBucks, very good. Alright, let's keep
it rolling. Saturday, November 8th, Golden Boy
at the Dickies Arena in Fort Worth, Texas. Before
we get to the headlines, there's only one, two
fights really worth pointing out. Amari Jones,
stoppage in three over Shady Gamor. And Joshua
Edwards, stoppage in three over Zeno Voris. You're
just making guys up. Joshua Edwards is the hope
of American heavyweights. He's our only hope.
Chad Chibiti came up with some of these guys.
That was a knockout of all time, too. Zeno Voris
is a real guy. I'm just being informed. Yeah.
Yeah. His corner pulled him because he was just
getting pieced up. Good for his corner. His corner's
like, yeah, you know what? Fuck this. I've seen
enough. We have a fight next week. We have a
fight next week, guys. Like, come on. Pull him
out. Jason Voorhees. Nino Voorhees. And Jason,
he was not. Yeah, Jason, he was not. That's all
I got to say. Let's go Joshua Edwards' future.
No, the actual shit we care about. Yeah, I'm
skipping all the other stuff because the fights
were fucking awful. I've seen two draws on BoxRec.
Lawrence Cole is a referee, so I'm going to gouge
my eyes out before I watch those fights back.
Virgil Ortiz stops Erickson Lubin in two. Oh,
man, he had him slumped on the ropes. What a
stoppage. We talked about this before this ended
up in the lost tapes. We were talking about how
Virgil Ortiz did not have the luxury of going
rounds with Erickson Lubin, right? Nope. Because
of the beating that Boots put on Luisma Lima.
Even though Lima, well, at the time, in hindsight,
we thought, or at the time, we thought Lima,
or that Lubin was a better opponent than Lima.
Does that stand? Does that point still stand?
Is Erickson Lubin still better than Lima? 100%,
yeah. In a fight, Erickson Lubin would totally
own Lima. That being said, what was Lubin's plan?
Like, he spent, like, I get it. He spent a lot
of time in the ropes against the... Jesus Ramos.
But also, like, are you really going to sit against
the ropes of the high guard not moving your head
against Virgil? The first round, he was using
his reach. He was using his jab pretty effectively.
Yeah, like he was tagging. I'm not saying he
was going to hurt Virgil ever. But he was making
Virgil work for those opportunities on the inside.
The second round, he backed up to the ropes and
basically lied down for Virgil to take his soul.
Full credit to Virgil because a lesser men would
have totally just would have not been able to
tear him down at least that quickly. Jesus Ramos
couldn't. No. But, like, what's the game plan?
What's the thought process? I'm, like, holding
it in. I'm, like, holding it until Josh is done.
Yeah, I was going to say, Saul, your containment
cannot be. Go ahead. Go ahead. I'm just saying,
like, my one – again, lesser – like, Virgil,
absolutely premier offensive talent in the sport
for being able to tear that down that quickly.
But Erickson Lubin, surely he knew who he was
up against, and that was a really stupid game
plan. So, go ahead. What I'm going to say about
Virgil – oh, my God. Oh, my God, dude. That was
– That was beautiful. At first, I'm going to
be honest, at first that stoppage did seem a
little sus to me. On first watch, I thought it
was way too early and the ref stopped it because
they knew that the boots fight was lining up.
However, on that second time around when they
showed it in slow -mo, holy shit, Lubin was out
on his feet. That was brutal. And with a little
time that Virgil fought, he showed some skills,
man. Like, Lubin was obviously going to try to
outbox him. He tried to, in the first round,
he put a little bit, he was moving around the
ring. But Virgil already knew what he was going
to do. Virgil figured him out pretty damn early.
I was surprised. I thought that it was going
to be... Yeah. Yeah. Sending a hook, dude? Oh,
my God. Oh, my God. That was fantastic. You know,
and he was, honestly, he was using some lateral
movement, too. A little bit of lateral movement.
That was nice. That was nice. I got to give Virgil
my props because that was the best possible outcome
for the fight. Because if it went the distance
or even a late KO, people would have been, you
know, saying, you know, it was a, he should have
gone to KO. Why would he get it that late? Why
did he go with the decision? And if Virgil lost,
his career would pretty much be over. You know?
But he got the KO in round two. And not only
that, after the fight, he called him boots into
the ring. That's some badass shit right there.
I mean, maybe it was planned. That was totally
planned. Unless he lost. That was still pretty
damn cool to see. Anytime somebody quote -unquote
invades the ring or is brought into the ring,
it's always planned. There have been times where
fighters have tried to get into the ring to talk
shit, and they get stopped. Security is too good
at fights for that to happen. Yeah, they'll stop
them. So if they came up to... If he comes into
the ring to jawjack, then it's... I've seen Demetrius
Andrade get stopped by security at least twice.
That's who I was thinking of. Andrade kept trying
to do this. No one humored it. Security would
just be like, you're not getting up there. Honestly,
obviously I know his plan, but it was like...
That was bad. It was still cool. Yeah, it was
cool. It's an excellent promo and... a perfect
social media highlight to promote this fight.
Again, I'm not going to count my eggs before
they hatch here with who's going to win or what
because I need the fight announced. And I need
it announced at a U .S. venue. The thing is that
do we really have confidence that they're going
to put it in a U .S. venue? They should. I have
faith. I'm not gonna say I, like, my brain, like,
logically on paper, this thing's gonna be undercard
fighting Rhea to some bullshit. But I'm saying,
like, if, like, if we're serious here, it has
to be, it has to happen next, and it has to happen
in the United States. It needs to be here, dude.
This thing needs a sellout crowd. It can't happen
in front of 60 people. It's going to happen in
like 60 ,000 people. It's got to happen in the
U .S. It won't be in Texas. It won't be in Philly.
It'll be in Vegas. Maybe L .A. L .A. would be
a good one too. L .A. is a good venue for it.
That would be probably the biggest fight that
L .A. has seen. It has to be stateside though.
Yeah, it can't be in fucking Riyadh or whatever
else. No, like, it has to be. Like I said, I'm
praying. I know the money that's going to have
to be put up is going to be from Turkey, but
I hope it's a ring card in the United States
and not locked away in Saudi. I was going to
say, we have our own separate views on how the
fight's going to go. It just has to happen. We
have to see it. There's no better time for it
to happen. Because I will say, let's say Virgil
goes and fights Bokrum next, or Luz fights Bokrum.
They might lose. And then this fight of two premier...
two premier offensive talents in the sport, it
goes up in the air if one of them gets beaten
up and busted up. I'm going to ask a question
right now. Oh, sorry, Doug. Before I ask the
question, you say your piece. I was going to
say, what's the chatter I'm hearing about Virgil
talking about Spence? It's his dream fight or
something? It's bullshit. That's some bullshit.
I don't want to see that shit. I was going to
say, like, so you got to agree. At that point,
it is just ducking if he goes and fights Spence.
100%. And that actually kind of leads me to my
question. Because I really don't think... I think
the fight should happen next, 100%. I don't really
think there's any other fight that, you know,
should happen besides that one. But the only
thing I would excuse, the only fight I would
excuse, if Virgil doesn't take the fight with...
with boots is a Fundora fight. Because that in
turn can make the fight with boots even bigger
if he wins. It's a risk, but it skyrockets that
fight. I'm just going to say you're introducing
variables at this point. Like right now, they're
both 27, 28. They're in their absolute physical
peaks with no health issues. Let's say Virgil
gets cut with Fundora. Don't say that. Don't
say that. Don't say that. No, that's what I'm
saying. It has to happen now. It happens now,
and then the winner, like, it doesn't even need
a title. Like, these are the two best guys in
this weight class. Titles be damned. Like, this
is a shootout for the best offensive fighter
in the sport. Straight up. I will say that, honestly,
I can hate me for this. I want it. I really want
it as soon as possible. But at the same time,
I also want it to have its moment, you know,
in the sport where everybody's watching it. That
it's just like it's not realistic for that to
happen at this point. No, it can't. It's got
to be like it'll either be like something will
happen that'll make it too late. It's gotta happen
now. I swear to Christ, if I hear someone say
fucking marinate, I'm gonna lose my mind. Like,
this is their absolute peak. This is, like, as
athletes. And they're both athletic guys is the
problem. You know what my feeling is about what's
gonna happen? I got a feeling they're gonna do
a fucking doubleheader in Riyadh. I'm just feeling
it. Makes me wanna throw up. Listen, man, I'm
going to barf, but they're going to put Nakatani
Inoue and this and Virgil and Riyadh, and it's
going to fuck over all the fans. But they're
going to suck the money out of my ass if you
put that kind of card together. Oh, I know. No,
we're going to fly to Riyadh. I don't know if
I want to step foot in that country. I'll get
in trouble. Listen, man. More than this fight,
listen, I'm willing to suck it up for Nakatani
Inoue. Man, if that was a doubleheader, if that's
what they did, like, shit, dude. Preferably,
in the ideal world, Nakatani Inoue happens in
Japan on New Year's Eve, and it's the Super Bowl.
And this fight happens in L .A. on Cinco de Mayo.
Honestly, the thing is that if Virgil... This
is the prime route for Virgil. If he wins everything,
okay? Let's say, best case scenario, he fights
Pandora next, beats him. Then he fights him on
Cinco de Mayo. And then on Mexican Independence
Day, he fights Boots. Who does Boots fight in
the meantime? The winner of Zayas Baru? Hold
on, hold on, hold on. Let me give you a scenario.
He beats Fandora. Okay, he has the WBC. Then
he fights Boots and what do you call it? Mexican
Independence Day. And he wins. Okay. He'd be
the next Canelo at that point. He'd be the guy
that the Mexicans are talking about, you know?
That would be, he would be filling that spot.
Him and Benavidez would be filling that spot
in. Am I wrong? I understand he's not going to
be as big as Canelo because he's not pure -blooded
from Mexico, but you know what? That would fill
in some of the casuals. I understand these things,
but the thing is that just characteristically
knowing how marination goes and how much of a
dirty word it is, how much... this perfect spot.
They both just had dominant social media highlight
wins at their absolute physical peak. They got
no health issues. They should just fight, and
then their careers can play out, however. I see
them fighting and then doing a rematch later
on down the line. If it's competitive, yeah.
I think it'll be competitive. There's no chance
it's not. There's a chance it's not. The thing
is that I understand, you know, you're a big
boot stand. I'm a big boot stand. There's a chance
it's not in either direction. That's the thing.
This is the type of fight where I'm like, I don't
think it's going to be like a total war because
they're both too talented to do that. But I think
it'll be interesting for two, three rounds of
like seeing who manages to feel the other out.
And then it'll be pretty one -way traffic. which
is special in itself. It's a shootout. It's a
classic piece of an unstoppable force versus
an immovable object. That unstoppable force being
Boots, the immovable object being Virgil. It's
two unstoppable forces. These guys, all their
flaws are defensive. I would say that, and you
could kill me on this, but I think it's kind
of half and half, or kind of mixed, where I think
Boots' flaws are defensive. But he excels tremendously
in offensive. Whereas Virgil, he's a great –
he's a little better in defense. But in offense,
he can be a little shaky at times. He's been
caught while in the offense. Yeah, but that's
a defensive flaw. Like, that's inherently – because
he doesn't – both guys, if they're on their bike,
won't – like, it won't matter. But I'm saying
they're both such premier offensive talents that
the defensive flaws when they're attacking happen.
I agree. It's going to be a five -round shootout.
When it happens, it's going to be a five -round
shootout in either direction. Yeah, 100%. But
it needs to happen now. I feel like I need to
see some legitimate beef and anger. Because I
think there's legitimate beef and anger between
them two, which I don't think is going to happen.
If it does, that's going to be like a war. That's
the only time I'll be the one. They're sportsmen.
Like, Hagler and Hearns never hated each other.
Yeah. Mickey Ward and Arturo Gatti were best
friends. It's just, like, guys who will fight
will fight. I don't think there needs to be beef.
These guys, again, they're the premier offensive
talents of the sport. They're going to have a
fantastic shootout. And my main point is that
it has to happen now. I don't care later. It
has to happen now. Because if it doesn't happen
now, we're going to get, like, listen, either
one could turn 30 and be shit overnight because
their legs don't have it anymore. Oh, yeah. That's
just what it is. Do it now. Do it now, and that
way you don't have to answer any questions. It's
just your questions are answered, and they can
go forward as the number one or number two guy.
Imagine they waited for Roy Jones and Bernard
Hopkins. You know? I think the better case is,
like, imagine if, like, the Mexicans in the late
90s, early 2000s just didn't fight each other
early. Yeah. Like, if Barrera -Morales never
occurred, it's got to happen. It just has to,
like, more than anything, I don't have takes
on who wins, what happened. Like, I need it to
happen. That was the point of your write -up,
right? Yeah. Like, it has to happen next, and
the asterisk is in America. Like, yeah. If it
gets announced in America, absolutely. You're
going to see me hop on my case for why Boots...
I'm going to make... I'm going to write up two
articles, one of how Boots could win and one
of how Virgil could win, because they both have
pretty okay paths to victory. But the bigger
concern is losing a classic shootout. Who lands
that one punch first? Whose defensive flaws actually
matter is really the question. Yeah, because
if Virgil gets knocked out, it's going to be
when he's coming in. Yeah, and same with Boots.
Again, I don't think Boots... Everyone takes
his fights with Karen as the... Chuka Zadian
as the barometer. But the thing is that Chuka
Zadian was a negative guy who posed no threat.
I feel like that's more of the first fight where
he's a negative. That second fight, he didn't
pose a threat, but at the same time, he brought
it to him. The one I will say is in regards of
how Enes reacts to being hit, it's still the
Villa fight. Yeah, Royman Villa. The same for
me. That's the measuring stick. That's how you
can take account for... For Boots. Because Boots
went to go trade with this guy for fun. Boots
could have easily just pieced him apart from
distance and it would have looked just as flashy.
He went to war for fun with a guy who has no
ability to hit him. But it's like a mule. And
that's how I think. Like, I will say, Virgil
has a better idea of how to place a shot, but
Virgil cannot hit harder than Villa. It's just...
It's just what it is. But that's more into the
semantics of who wins and why. Yeah, we could
talk about that shit all day. Yeah, when it happens.
I need it to happen. If it happens. If it happens,
it will. I have faith. I believe in the world.
If anything is right... Damn, wait, hold on.
That's a first. That's a first. Listen, if anything
is right in the world, this is something that
has to go right. Especially, because I will say,
Turkey isn't your traditional promoter where
he cares about marination. He plays with his
action figures. These are the most fun action
figures you can play with. Oh, man. We still
have a major car to talk about. So we're going
to have to leave it here for now. Oh, yeah. I
get last words on Virgil's win over Ericsson
Lubin. It's got to happen. It's Virgil has to
happen. That was a shout out. Let's go, Virgil,
baby. Let's go, Virgil. All right. Let's see.
If you want to go ad -free, lvx .be slash Patreon.
And if you want to get into the conversation
with us, join us on Discord, lvx .be slash Discord.
And the phone line to hit us up directly if you
want to get onto the show, 833 -589 -7637. You
can send a voice note in WhatsApp. And if you're
sufficiently entertaining, we'll see if you make
the cut. All right. Really quick. Do you have
that nagging feeling of being exposed when you're
online? In today's world, a simple antivirus
isn't enough. Your digital life, your photos,
your bank accounts, your family's privacy, it
all needs more than just a basic firewall. You
need Malwarebytes. Malwarebytes is your complete
shield against the chaos of the internet. The
powerful next generation antivirus instantly
quarantines threats, locks down malware before
it can do any damage. But it doesn't stop there.
It includes an ultra -fast, ultra -private VPN
to encrypt your connections, keeping your location
and data private while you're on public Wi -Fi.
Plus, the integrated ad blocker makes your browsing
cleaner and faster. Whether you're protecting
your personal machine or securing the whole household,
Malwarebytes has a plan for you. Go to lvx .be
.mwb, but find the subscription that's right
for you. Don't wait for the next error message.
Take control of your digital piece at lvx .be
.mwb. When you grab a bag of jerky, what are
you really eating? If you look at the ingredients,
it's a confusing list of chemicals, sugars, preservatives,
and things you can't even pronounce. But it doesn't
have to be this way. Meat Grazely. It's a simple
question, really. What does beef jerky need to
be great? And the answer? It's meat and salt.
That's it. Grazely takes high -quality, whole
-muscle beef, seasons it with just the right
amount of natural salt, no nitrates, no sugars,
no weird spices to hide poor quality, just the
bold, pure flavor of real meat. Grazely is the
ultimate fuel for life, for your hikes, post
-workout, protein, or the daily commute. When
you want protein without the junk, reach for
the bag that keeps it simple, honest, and delicious.
Go to lvx .be slash grazely to get yourself a
nice little discount while helping us out a little
bit too. That's lvx .be slash grazely. Two ingredients,
zero compromises. Dandruff doesn't just affect
your hair, it chips away at your confidence.
But I'm here to tell you, it doesn't have to
be this way. It's time to say bye to flakes with
flakes. Flakes isn't a scented wash you get from
the grocery store that just masks the problem.
It's a powerful, medically formulated treatment
designed to get to the root of the toughest dandruff.
Flakes works fast to control the flaking, calm
the itching, and soothe the redness that's on
your scalp. And here's another pro tip. Flakes
will also help with that stubborn beard gruff,
if you have that too. Imagine feeling completely
free to wear whatever you want, whenever you
want to. Imagine just focusing on your day and
not on your scalp. That's the difference that
flakes makes. Go to lvx .be slash flakes for
a nice little discount while you help us out
a little bit in the process. Don't settle for
temporary fixes that smell like the produce section
of your grocery store. Fight back with a shampoo
that dermatologists trust. lvx .be slash flakes.
Alright, we've got one preview. And that's...
Ring four in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. Quite the
card. We're going to stop at each one as we work
our way up, rather than me just listing them
off and then going back. So, Archer Betterbia
versus Dion Nicholson. I don't know who Dion
Nicholson is. Is that still on there? I don't
think it's on there anymore. Is that cut? I think
that's cut. Okay. Yeah, cut. Oh, yeah, better
be a mistimed -a -cycler. Mistimed -a -cycler's
crazy, by the way. That is something. Well, it's
good. Like, listen, man. The amount of times
that he pulls out in this fashion with, like,
a mysterious reasoning. Like, you can kind of
tell, oh, he mistimed -a -cycle. Like, I'm saying...
I'm saying like one or two injuries checks out,
right? Especially the one that caused that big
delay where he took on McKalen. Legit injury.
But when it's like short notice pullout, short
turnaround, I can almost guarantee that it's
a missed cycle. Oh, the undercard has changed
quite a bit. Four fights that I'll just breeze
through. Sultan Al -Muhammad versus Umesh Chavan.
Sultan Al -Muhammad was on the... Yeah, he's
the Saudi guy. Industry planned? Yes, he is a
plan. He can scrap. Yeah, he was pretty good
in his fight on the Bud Canelo card. Julio Porras
Ruiz versus Pius Mpenda. So... That's a fight.
Mohamed Alakel is another one that was on Bud
Canelo versus Jiaming Li. I'll make breakfast
during that fight. Vito Melnicki versus Samuel
Nomoma. I'll eat my breakfast during that fight.
Is Vito still at it? Yeah, he's a top ranked
guy now. Oh, Jesus. And Nemoa's... 21 -0 from
Nigeria. Nigeria, but fights out of Italy, yeah.
So that's cool. So, yeah, that's like the undercard
stuff that, like, yeah, like Saul said, make
your breakfast, get yourself some coffee or something.
Because this most definitely is going to be in
the damn morning. I'll tell you that. Yeah, it'll
be starting around like 11 at the latest. So
into the part that fucking matters. He's not
on it anymore either. Brian Norman Jr. vs. Devin
Haney. WBL welterweight title. Whoa! No, no,
that is on it. Sorry, I was talking about Subaru
Matias. He's not on it anymore. I don't see him
on it. Yeah. We're skipping over two other fights,
though. I'm just starting here. That's all. Oh,
okay. Okay. I was about to say, dude, come on.
Come on, man. Don't just backbend like that.
No, hell no. I've just started here. This is
the order I have them on. Like, no particular
order. I just kind of have them listed here.
So, Brian Norman versus Devin Haney. I had said
to Shanada I would like for Brian Norman to Sasaki,
Devin Haney. Oh, Jesus. Brian Norman, for the
love of God. Devin has, I will say with absolute
confidence, it has to be a total tactical breakdown
to not just go at Haney with no worry about what
comes back. Yeah, you really have to forget who
the fuck you're standing in front of. Yeah, because
there is no way. That at 147, Haney is garnering
respect with his punches. From anybody. So, Brian
Norman, who has a proven chin, should absolutely
come at him. Well, proven. He wasn't knocked
down. I'm going to tell you this right now, okay?
I got a lot riding on this fight. Leo knows ever
since I've been on this pod, I've been riding
Brian Norman Jr. I've been riding him high. That's
kind of what got me onto this. I think that's
kind of what got me onto this pod too. We had
a conversation about Brian Norman Jr. Yeah, we
did. So I got a lot of reputation back in this
because if Brian Norman Jr. wins, oh my God,
his stock skyrockets. And the thing is that he
needs to... Not just beat Haney. He needs to
knock him out. Because I truly believe they're
going to pull some fuck shit. The refs are going
to pull some fuck shit. They're already planning
a Haney and Benavidez doubleheader again. Right?
You guys seen that? Yes. Yeah. That's some bullshit.
And Norman's the champion. He's the more exciting
guy. He needs to knock him out. And honestly,
I see Brian Norman Jr. winning the fight. I understand
he's not the better boxer, but he's underrated.
with his skills. A lot of people, I know a lot
of people are saying he's just going off his
power, you know, that he's going to knock him
out. But honestly, I think that Brian Roman Jr.
is effective moving in on the inside, getting
in the inside, you know. The only problem I see
with Brian is he keeps his head on center line.
But I feel like he's going to fix that, this
fight. I feel like if he's a really, really good
boxer, as I think he is, he's going to fix it.
He's going to improve on that. Adjust. I also
can see a Devin Haney win, but at the same time,
I really don't want that. I don't think anybody
wants that. Unless you're a Haney stan. And the
Haney acts are coming back. They're coming back
to root for their boy one last time. One last
hurrah if he loses. They want him to win this
fight. There's a couple Haney acts there. What
do you guys feel? How do you guys feel? Because
I'm thinking of Brian. I'm riding with Brian
Norman Jr., man. I'm riding with Brian Norman.
It's like he's genuinely like, listen, I will
say, have you guys seen the clip of his face
-off with Devin Haney where Devin Haney starts
trying to plagiarize Floyd? Oh, yeah, that shit
was crazy. And Brian immediately calls him out
on it. He cuts a good promo, I will say. Hey,
you ever had a MCL broke? What did he say, MCL
tear? Brian cuts a good promo. Like, genuinely,
I want to see him more. He talks good shit. That's
another thing, too. He's a respectful shit talker.
Like, I think him and Roley would be hilarious.
All things considered. Yeah. I think Brian...
I need Brian to be Haney. I need Brian to be
Roley. I really want Haney to go away. That's
the main thing. You just want him fucking gone,
dude. I don't want to see this guy anymore. I
think I still... If it makes it to the decision,
I think they're going to give it to Haney. Well,
if it makes it to the decision, Brian Norman
is an idiot. Well... There's no way. It should
not happen. If Brian Norman shows up in shape
and doesn't have a complete tactical breakdown,
where he like... Or maybe he's made of paper.
Who knows? Maybe I'm wrong and everyone he's
fought just punches like a pussy. But... There's
no... In a reasonable world where Bryan fights
how he should, it should... It should really
be one -way traffic. The thing is that I feel
like Bryan Norman Jr. Bryan's... Proven to have
heart. I mean, that fight with Giovanni Santillan,
he was brought in there to lose. Oh, yeah. They
didn't believe him. And he pummeled Giovanni.
Yeah. Against Cuevas. Again, not the best opponent,
but he beat the shit out of him. Same with Sasaki.
He knocked out a month of memory out of that
guy. That boy did not remember shit. I guess.
It's sad. It's not like Sasaki's any slouch with
the weight class either. Yeah, I think he was
ranked pretty highly in the division too. Yeah.
Which it does mean something. That is something
to say. I know people say, who's Sasaki? Or Sasaki
already lost to the guy Gary Antoine Russell's
fighting. Yeah, but that was a 140. Yeah, that
was a 140. And again, he was ranked highly in
the division. Say what you want, but he was still
ranked pretty highly. Yeah. I want to see Brian
Norman Jr. knock out Devin Haney. I'm calling
it right now. I think he's going to knock him
out. But if not, they're going to give it to
Haney. Yeah, which will be completely deserved
at that point. Man, I just really want to say,
fuck Turkey. I want him to lose his, like he's
planning ahead already. Like, no, spoil the fucking
party. Please, Brian Norman, spoil the party.
Well, I could already see the bullshit. Can you
guys see that? Ryan's going to be fighting for
a title. I don't even think we mentioned this,
but Ryan could be fighting Barrios. You know?
And if he fights Barrios, he could get it. I
think he might win. He gets a belt. He gets a
strap. And then you have Devin Haney who fights
Ryan Norman Jr. If he wins, then they can do
a unification fight in Riyadh. Big money. You
know? I don't know. I see that happening. I see
that happening, but I can see that in Turkey's
head. the grinds, the gears grinding, you know?
Yeah. In that fucking, fucking ass head. Again,
he treats these guys like they're action figures
and not like it's a real, real athletes in a
real sport. Yeah. And, uh, like, again, a lot
of fans see it as positives because they don't
see it as a, again, they still see it as like
action figures. But, um, all of this stuff, like
there's real people getting affected by, uh,
Like, you're the promoter of the event going
like, hey, I want this guy to win so I can make
this fight. At that point, nobody wins. Yeah.
Moving up. Bam Rodriguez, the WBC and WBO super
flyweight champ versus Fernando Martinez, WBA
champ. Big unification, triple crown. Bam beats
his ass, and how quickly does he do this? Just
to show my bias already. Bam beats his ass. Well,
I think he beats his ass, but at the same time,
Bam might just take an ass beating himself too.
In the process. As much as I love Bam, it's going
to be a hard fight. This is a guy who beat Kazudo
Ioka twice. The guy he's fighting is not a slouch.
He's good. I think if Bam really is that cut
above, he's going to beat his ass. And it's not
going to be competitive. If he really is a cut
above. I think this fight is going to prove to
everybody fighter that Bam is. Good or bad. Good
or bad, though. Both. Because, again, he could
be a cut above and... you know, knock him out
or he can even lose by knockout. He's already
shown that he can be put on the canvas. Yeah,
he can be put down. Yeah. So we'll see what Bam's
made of. But I think that this is finally going
to prove to everybody on the... arguably one
of the biggest stages in the world that he is
one tough -ass motherfucker. One badass motherfucker.
Man, he's so unassuming, too. I saw him after
the Sonny Edwards fight. I saw him at a restaurant
right outside the arena. Robert Garcia was there.
They were all getting a table or whatever. I
saw him, and he looks like a teenager. If he
didn't have tattoos on his face, you wouldn't
notice. Yeah. You wouldn't notice. You wouldn't
give him a second look just because, like, oh,
there's like a... 17 -year -old kid or something.
You would have to card him. Yeah, I think you
would, because he's a bit of a babyface. But,
man, he's a beast once he gets in the ring. I
feel that Martinez is a little too flat -footed,
and that's going to be a bit of a problem for
him, because Rodriguez is really fleet. Like,
he's fleet. He can move around really quickly.
He's really agile. And he's fast. Yes. Fast.
Fast hands. I mean... We'll see what happens.
Absolutely. There's no chance here for... Well,
Lin will be insufferable if Noakes wins. Oh,
my God. Noakes' best win is against Ivan Mendy.
Look, I know we make fun of Noakes, and I agree
that it is going to be a shutout. But the thing
is that, at the same time, Mason has been put
down by... some random ball -headed uh fucking
what's his name fucking trevor gta looking ass
uh johan vasquez yeah johan vasquez got put down
in my hand abdullah also put him away in the
next round exactly i understand that but the
thing is that flash knocks happen like i'm not
gonna unless it was like if it if it became like
uh drawn out like he had to recover and everything
that I'd give you a bit more leeway here, but
like... What it was, it was just one knockdown.
It was a flash. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I'll give you
that. Because I'm not trying to question Abdul
Mason. I still think he's going to win, but I
mean, if Sam Noakes really does have power, he
can have a puncher's chance. Absolutely. He really
does. I feel like he's going to wilt. He will
wilt under me. Abdullah Mason also can punch.
Oh, yeah, 100%. And he's gone better than the
fight, 100%. Yeah, I will say that, like, it's
likely that it's probably a little competitive
and then Noakes just wilts. Yeah. No, I agree.
I agree. I'm just saying that as much as we all
say that Abdullah Mason is going to beat the
shit out of Noakes, Noakes still has a slight,
slight chance. Yeah. Not to be taken lightly
or discredited. Exactly. He's not going to win,
but he's also going to be a good win. I mean,
that fight with Johan Vasquez did prove to everybody
that, yeah, he can get knocked down, but that
he's going to get back up and punish you. Oh,
yeah. So there's that. He ain't going down without
a fight. Will he go down without a fight? David
Benavidez versus Anthony Yard. Did we mention
the Matias fight or is that one not happening
anymore? That one's not on the bill anymore.
At least not that I'm seeing. Let's see. He's
fighting. It's just a stupid double feature that
they do. What? It's a separate card. He's the
main event on the prelim first feature. That
is incredibly stupid. It's stupid, but it's stupid.
So, like, they put Matias on the prelims. Fuck
that. We're talking about him now. Super Matias
versus Dalton Smith. WBC super lightweight title
on the line. Unless Matias is completely washed,
Dalton Smith better have a trainer willing to
throw in the towel. Wait, Matias Smith is in
this fight? It's on this card? It's on a different
card. It's the same venue, same day, but it's,
like, the free non -pay -per -view. Oh. So what
the fuck? It's like the prologue. It's stupid.
They do this every time where they only want
five fights or whatever. The fuck? The disrespect.
Point being, Matias, again, unless Matias is
completely and utterly washed, I really... Smith
should have a towel thrower ready. Well, again,
Matias did lose to Liam Parra. I was going to
say exactly that. He's also 33. He might be completely
washed. Yeah, his style doesn't age very well
just because he takes a lot of punches to get
himself into position. We clown on Australians,
but it's not like Parra's a complete scrub. Well,
they lost to Hitchens. Hitchens is not bad, but
at the same time. Hitchens isn't a complete scrub.
I'm just going to say, like, Matias can certainly
be exploited technically. I don't think Dalton
Smith is a guy that can exploit him technically
without getting it back. Unless Matias starts
to age poorly. Yeah. Lin is going to be insufferable
if Dalton Smith wins. Yeah. Lin treats it like
we ride for these guys when it's like, dude.
Well, actually, I'm riding for some of these
guys. I do ride for Abdullah Mason. I'm riding
for Abdullah Mason, but I'm saying with Matias,
I'm like, yeah, no, he's on the wrong end of
30. He's definitely got a lot of miles on the
clock, and he's got some definite flaws. I still
want him to win. Yeah. I'm not surprised if he
loses, but I also don't think Dalton Smith is
the guy to do it. Yeah, he's already lost a couple
times. Anything more for Matias Smith? Nope.
All right. Benavidez Yard. WBC light heavyweight
title on the line. Yard comes to rumble. Yard
has got to be the only guy to get stopped on
every step up he takes while looking competitive.
I got to say that some people are also making
this fight seem pretty easy and dope looking
Yard. Maybe not Benavidez himself, but I feel
like there's a lot of people in our community.
are not looking at this fight how it should be.
It is going to be a pretty hard fight for Benavidez,
I think. Oh, it's going to be a shootout. I'm
just saying. Yeah. Benavidez has that extra gear
to win. Yeah, he's got levels. Anthony Yard is
one -dimensional -ish. You saw it. Benavidez
somehow manages to amp it up as the fight goes
on, as you saw with Morel. And Andrade and Caleb
Plant were like, these guys are also competitive
with him. And then he basically just, like, the
momentum just piled up. Another thing I will
say about Yard, Yard has more miles on the clock,
and he's 34. And he's 34. He's 34, and he has
more miles on the clock. He's been stopped twice
by top guys. Betterbiev did totally put a pasting
on him. For 8 rounds. 8 rounds of punishment
for Betterbiev is career changing on a good day.
11 rounds of beatings from a good form Sergey
Kovalev. Even if he was competitive. That's 11
rounds of fucking shellacking. It's the 11 rounds
of a good Sergey Kovalev jabbing your face in.
And eight rounds of being in the pocket with
Beterbiev. And he's 34 and has an athletic style.
We'll see what happens. It'll be a good shootout.
I think it'll be a good shootout, but I think
the wheels are going to come off sooner rather
than later and Benavidez will take over. Yeah.
It's probably going to be his first stoppage
at 175. I don't think so. I really don't think
so. The wheels are going to fall off is what
I feel. If the wheels don't fall off, credit
to Yard. But in fights where he's been fresher
and hasn't taken the punishment that he has up
to now, the wheels have come off. So there's
no reason that a higher tempo guy at a point
in his career where he's not as fresh, there's
no reason for the wheels not to come off here
unless maybe Benavidez isn't as scary at 175.
I don't think, not necessarily not as scary,
but I don't think he has that same power. He
had a 168? It's tough to gauge. He's been an
accumulation guy his entire career. Yeah, it's
really tough to gauge. Yeah, so when you go up...
Kvostik is defensively minded, and Morel apparently
is just made of... You could smash a 2x4 over
his head. And he'll smile. Well, I mean, he got...
That last fight he was in, though... Kataev was
on the entire pharmacy. I mean, yeah, but...
Like I was gonna say, they had Kataev on the
super soldier serum. I'm just saying that Morel
and then Hot Rod, too. Morel and Hot Rod. Oh,
Hot Rod was on his bike, man. He stunk it out.
I'm not saying he put up a good fight, but what
I'm saying is like... What? No, like, that's
a separate discussion, though. Like, I'm saying,
like, Benavidez's opponents at 175 have been
durable, defensively -minded guys, especially
Gvozdik. was way more on his bike against Benavidez
than he was with Beterbiev. Yeah. That one was
a good win, by the way. Yeah. And Morel, he put
hands on Morel. Morel didn't go away. Yeah. That's
different. So I feel like Yard will really see
whether he has that real stopping power. Or if
he's going to be a... He's going to hurt a guy,
but he's not going to put him away. What we're
kind of saying is that it's like a Virgil Lubin
type of situation. Yeah. Where the guy that's
been knocked out twice, if he doesn't knock him
out, that kind of shows that maybe he doesn't
have as much power as he once had. As he once
had. A little weight class. Or say. Yeah, like
he needs a 15 -round fight instead of a 12 -er.
Yeah, I think that's the perfect way to put it.
He seems like a 15 -round fighter. Oh, yeah.
Oh, man. That is all we got on the docket, boys.
Any last words for Ring 4? I really hope the
British guys don't win and they need Devin Haney
gone. I hope... I hate Turkey, but damn, it's
a good -ass card. It's a good card that's trapped
on the zone. Yeah. You'd think at this point
Turkey would just pay a TV broadcaster to air
this stuff. Well, they would probably pay Sky
Sports or some shit. Listen, man. People actually
watch Sky Sports in the UK. But it's an American
card. Yeah, no, but I'm saying if Turkey really
wanted, he could probably cut a TV deal with
the infinite money he's throwing at this stuff.
He could put it at fucking 8 o 'clock at night
if he wanted to. The DAZN thing is really just
the will thing. Alright, let me do this. What
if your best thinking day wasn't a lucky accident?
What if you could access that clarity, that sharp
focus, that feeling of being completely on whenever
you need it? We live in a world of distraction,
where mental fog can settle in before noon. You
need a natural edge, a simple way to clear the
noise and elevate your mind. Introducing psilocybin,
the daily supplement powered by extraordinary
magic mushrooms. For centuries, these mushrooms
have been revered for the unique compounds that
support brain health in very groovy ways. Soul
Sibin is hardness stat power, making it easy
to integrate it into your daily routine. When
you take Soul Sibin, you're not getting a jolt
of caffeine or a rush of sugar. You're nurturing
your mind's long -term health and inner tranquility.
Experience better focus for complex tasks, sharper
memory recall, or a consistent, calmer energy
throughout the day. Whatever you need, Soul Sibin
has a supplement for you. Ready to cut through
the mental clutter? Are you ready to tap into
your highest potential? Go to lvx .be slash soul.
That's lvx .be slash s -o -u -l. Get yourself
a nice discount while helping us out while you're
at it. Unlock your mind's clarity with SoulSimon.
Look around you. The food on your plate, the
plants in the garden, they all depend on one
tiny little hero, the honeybee. But bees are
struggling, and the health of our planet is at
stake. not to mention a third of what's on our
dinner plate. Project Honeybees steps in with
the belief that saving the bees can start with
something beautiful. With a catalog of stunning
bee -themed jewelry, necklaces, earrings, and
charms that capture the spirit of the hive. When
you wear a piece from Project Honeybees, you're
not just wearing art, you're wearing your commitment
to the buzzing buddies. Every single purchase
directly funds conservation efforts. creating
safe bee habitats, sponsoring research, and educating
communities. It's beautiful jewelry with a purpose.
Go to lvx .be slash bees to get yourself a nice
little discount and help us out in the process.
Make an impact and look incredible while doing
it. Find your next piece today at lvx .be slash
bees. Wear the change. Buzz buzz, bitch. Now,
social media shit. LVX Media Net. Follow us on
the socials. If you can't find the account, chances
are we're not on that particular platform. But
let me know if you want to see us somewhere else
that we're not currently active on. Oh, wherever
you're listening, if you could hit us with a
rating, helps push us up the search algorithm.
And if you're feeling a little froggy, a review
would not go amiss. And lvx .be slash wayside.
That is where you can find Josh's rants in written
form. Call him the rant man. What do you got
in the shoot? Most recent was Ennis Ortiz. You
got anything else coming up? Ah, shit. We'll
see what happens. Usually I'm trying to get into
a rhythm of reacting to the stuff on the weekend.
Okay. We'll see what happens on the weekend,
and you'll probably see it right up. Saul, you
got anything coming up? Coming up? I'm still
finishing up that middleweight piece from the
time of this recording. I might have something
else coming up. I'm planning another one. I was
going to do a piece on Virgil, but maybe kind
of wait on that one. Still let Josh's marinate.
I was also thinking of doing a bit, depending
on what's going to happen in this fight, I'll
do a piece on Brian Norman Jr. or Devin Haney.
All right. Again, like what Frost said, what
Josh said, that really depends on these outcomes.
Yeah. Cool. So we got stuff coming down the pipe.
With all that out of the way, parting words.
Robot's good. I've got to say, I've got something
to say. Brian Norman Jr., I've got a lot riding
on you. Bam's already proven himself, but Brian,
I have a lot of reputation on this guy. I need
him to win. After the amount of shit I've taken
for supporting him over the... time I've been
in this community with you guys, I need this
win. It's a little selfish of me to say that,
but I also want him to beat the shit out of Devin
Haney. Don't we all? We need more fighters like
Bryan in this sport. Amen. Talk shit and back
it up. Let's see. By the time this comes out...
Should be sometime around the 18th. Regardless,
this is the last episode for the month of November.
We'll be back in December. We got plenty of stuff
to talk about. We'll have to recap this, The
Ring 4. We'll have to talk about that. We're
going to have some long podcasts coming up. We'll
have a lot to talk about. We'll definitely be
back. In a way, it's coming up. roach pitbull
card so uh have no fear we're taking a little
break but we will be back hope you guys have
a good thanksgiving by the way if you're american
if you're british gg easy