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The B -Side in boxing. B -Side shit. B -Side.

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B -Side. And the B -Side. You got a B -Side.

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The B -Side. B -Side. B -Side. B -Side. The B

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-Side thing. This is the B -Sides Boxing Podcast.

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Oh shit. Alright. Let's fucking do this thing.

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Boxing B -sides. Back up in your ears, bitch.

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Joined by the one and only Saul. Let's fucking

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go, Virgil. I can't even hold it in. Let's fucking

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go, Virgil. And Josh, the rant man. The rant

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man. Congrats, Virgil. Boots in four. We'll talk

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about it more right now, but go fuck yourself.

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It went up, it went up, it went up. I had boots

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in three. That's true. I respect that. I respect

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that. Now we're boots in four. That's an improvement,

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which means it's going to be Virgil in five.

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Let's get some news out of the way. Ray Murataya

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versus Andy Cruz. This is for the IBF 135 title.

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God bless. Andy Cruz is going to own this guy.

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You think so? Absolutely. Morotaya has the Robert

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Garcia buff. The Robert Garcia buff. Andy Cruz

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has... Yes. I will say, I have a slight... The

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slight feeling, we talked about this last week,

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that, like, the thing that Bokrum is not doing,

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Andy Cruz is kind of coasted by its TVA. Oh,

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he's been playing himself up or playing himself

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down. Yeah, he's been. I don't think purposely.

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I just think he's coasted. Like, he doesn't need

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to. Nah. He doesn't need to step it up. I mean,

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if you look at his fights with Keyshawn and the

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amateurs, he only puts in as much as he needs.

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He gets what he gets. Yeah. A little bit more.

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Just to win. Again, Murataya, top guy in the

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division. Definitely is going to bring something

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good out of Andy Cruz. Oh, speaking of bringing

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out the best, Teofimo versus Shakur. It's all

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but certain for January. Do you think Teofimo

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can bring the best out of Shakur? I think he

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can. Yes. Yes. If he shows up prepared. I hope

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praying to God that like Joey Gamache works for

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like pennies or something. I'm going to say a

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controversial opinion about this fight. And honestly,

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I don't want to make it seem like I'm supporting

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a racist because I don't support Teofimo. You

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know, I don't support him anymore for that shit.

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But every time Teofimo has fought, and I know

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you guys don't support Loma as much as others

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do. but he was the first to legitimately beat

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him. I think that with Josh Taylor, too, he stepped

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up. I know you guys can talk smack about Josh

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Taylor, too, but those were his two best wins.

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I don't talk shit about the Lomachenko victory.

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No, that was a good win. I give Joey Gamache

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crazy amounts of credit because say what you

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will about Teofimo's inherent talent, he's also

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not smart. That is a fucking screw -up. Like,

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he's an idiot. He's an idiot. So the fact that

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Joey Gamache was able to get this raw athletic

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material to outsmart guys like Lomachenko is...

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I'm very impressed. Underrated. I give a lot

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of credit there. What I will say with Teofimo

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is that I don't really see him winning the fight

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because the fighters that he's looked worst against

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are fighters that are similar to Shakur. Not

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similar in the sense of skill, but similar in

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the sense of style. You know, what was it? I

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forgot his name. It's on the top of my head.

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It was the Greatest Showman card. You guys remember

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that? It was against... Yeah. What was his name?

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Please don't mind me. I'm looking now. Jermaine

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Ortiz? Jermaine Ortiz. There you go. Jermaine

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Ortiz. Jermaine Ortiz. That fight was atrocious.

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I think the Sandor one was worse, man. He couldn't

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even stay on his own two feet. I think he lost

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that. But Sandor was a negative fighter, though.

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Sandor was more of a negative fighter. I know,

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but again, there's ways to fight negative fighters.

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You can 12 -0 him, like Boots did once, and 10

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-2 him the second time. Or you can arguably lose

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to a negative fighter. When he fought Jermaine

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Ortiz, I'll say this in general of Teo, he does

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best going backwards. Teo cannot fight on the

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offense and cut off the ring properly. He cannot.

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We saw that with Jermaine Ortiz. We saw that

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with Sandro Martin. And he's with Reynoso. And

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he's with Reynoso. That makes it even worse.

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It's going to be rough. I was going to say, burning

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that bridge with Gamache was not a great thing.

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He's with Eddie Reynoso? Why? Well, his primary

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trainer is his dad, but you know how he bounces

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between gyms like Haney does. Okay. But he's

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with Reynoso as his... The camp. His real coach.

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He might just pop for PDs. He might just pop.

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Oh, man. No, seriously. Honestly, I will say

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I'm excited for Shakur to get a legitimate actual

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top win. Yeah, say what you want about Teofimo.

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He is a top win. If he beats Teofimo... And if

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Shakur doesn't shit his pants, he should totally

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put as much of a pasting as he can on Teofimo.

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I mean, what I'll say about what... Right now,

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Shakur's resume is lacking, so Tio will obviously

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be the best win on his resume. And is... I think

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probably Tio's first legitimate fight in like...

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What years? 25 years? Yeah. I don't know. I understood

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Barboza was also a decent win, but... You know,

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Shakur... If you beat Shakur, that would be a

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good... a pretty damn good fucking win. I'm glad

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it's happening. Like, it's not gonna be a fun

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fight in the slightest. Like, either direction

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that it could happen, like, either it's boring

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and it's even, it's boring and it's one -way

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traffic for Shakur, or it's boring and it's one

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-way traffic for Teofimo, because he's not, even

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if he, like, is able to get on top of Shakur,

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he's not gonna be landing much power. It's just

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gonna be overwhelming him. Yeah. So it's not

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interesting, but it's one for the purists. I

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think it's interesting. It's going to be who

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has the better counter -punching abilities. I'm

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saying in terms of excitement, this is not a

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fight of the year contender ever. No. Oh, no.

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It's interesting to us because we are hardcore,

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and it's interesting to boxing fans who like

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boxing matches, but I'm saying no one's going

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to be put out to pasture bar a huge fuck -up

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from Shakur. Yeah, me too. We'll be able to recover

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from it if he loses. Well, most likely when he

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loses. I think Shakur needs to win. He needs

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it. He's so in the negative if he loses. Oh,

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yeah. For multiple reasons, too. He's a no -reward,

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all -risk guy if he loses this. Yeah. If Shakur

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loses, This fight, I'm not gonna lie, it's gonna

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be really hard for him to come back. Yeah, we

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might not see him in a major card again. Like,

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he's gonna... He's probably gonna have to go

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the pro box route. Yeah. Or at least if I can

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actually, like, legitimately fight. You know?

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Yeah. I mean, I'm not saying he doesn't, you

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know, he doesn't show off beautiful boxing skills,

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but... But, I mean, no one's gonna watch. No

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one cares about that. No one's gonna watch it.

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Yeah, nobody wants... I mean, we like it. Even

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the peers don't even like that. A lot of the

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time. I like it. But even me, I'm like, damn.

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I want to see someone like Keyshawn more. Because

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he has skills and power. And he fights. You know?

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I got a question for you guys. Of course. So

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there's casual fans. Then there's the hardcore

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fans. What do you call the ones in the middle?

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Well, I feel like there's two levels of hardcore.

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And there's two levels of casual. Let me explain

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my four levels of boxing fandom, I guess. With

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a theory? We get a new theory? Yeah, that's what

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I was aiming for. Your super casuals are your

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guys who tune in. They know Mike Tyson and Floyd

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Mayweather, and that's it. They see those names.

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They open their wallets. That's the Mayweather

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-McGregor paying audience. They're guys who watch

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the NFL and then they tune in the boxing when

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it's something attractive to them. It's convenient.

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It's something they know and it's something that

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they can get excited about because they don't

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know any better. Next is the regular casual.

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They know Tank. They know your names. And they

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pay for a pay -per -view or two every year. And

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these are the guys who go to fights like they

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would a concert. It's a whole spectacle. It's

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a night out. This is the paying audience you

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actually care about and want to cater to. They

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make up most of the money in boxing because it's

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their whole... you book a night off work on a

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Friday to go to go and pregame and go make the

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trip out to a fight working stiff yeah like they

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they don't know about like the niche or guys

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and it's a little frustrating sometimes but this

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is where like this is the the audience that boxing

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needs they watch it on Fox they want like when

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there's nothing on on Thursdays and Fox used

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to have for the their cards on Thursdays Does

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this level of audience know Inoue? They should

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start. They know Inoue off of Instagram highlights.

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Okay. They don't know anything below Phantom

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White. Yeah. They don't know Cruiserweight. Most

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of their fighters they follow, they get them

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off Instagram and social media highlights and

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then decide to pay and tune in. It's that type

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of casual. Then they get the hardcores. These

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guys pay, like, they pay for DAZN type stuff.

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They know they're fighters, but they're not in

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-depth. Like, they care. They would rather watch,

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they would still rather watch a barn burner than,

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like, the two best guys fighting each other if

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it was boring. T .O. Shakur kind of thing? Yeah.

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Like, this is a... Like, they'd rather watch,

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like, let's say, Virgil Boots instead of, like,

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a Canelo Crawford or a Fury Usyk. Like, Canelo

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Benavidez is probably their most anticipated

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fight. Ah, I see. For, like, thinking hardcore.

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Then the super hardcores is basically where us

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and most other... online people end up like the

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0 .1 % they don't pay for sorry the sport sucks

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the money out of their ass and like they know

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all the guys they appreciate good boxing matches

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even if like again it's a lot of you talk about

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the sport you're active about it the money the

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money is less But you keep they end up keeping

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the interest alive because you have to like your

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co -worker will be like, wow, that virtual guy

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is pretty cool. I saw an Instagram highlight

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and then you end up being like, oh, you put like

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the ultra hardcores end up planting the idea

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in the casual, the second tier casuals of watching

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these guys. Like you would never pay, but. your

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friend would pay to have it on the TV at their

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place with some beers. And they say, well, I

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saw this clip of this Virgil Ortiz guy. He looks

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pretty cool. And then you say, hey, you should

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check out this dude, Jerron Ennis. You should

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check out Jerron Ennis. That's like his rival

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right now. Yeah, or this Inouye guy. Yeah. No,

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that's how you keep the paying audience. oh,

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I saw this Inoue guy, like, nuke this other guy

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on the ESPN ringside on Instagram, and you go

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like, oh, he's fighting next week on here. We

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can go to your place and watch it. Like, the

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ultra -hardcore's almost responsibility, which

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some people don't get, is you're basically the

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one introducing the sport to people. Like, you're

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planting the idea of watching it. So basically

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religion. Yeah, basically. We're selling a Ponzi

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scheme. The Church of Box. Church of Box. Because

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the regular hardcores don't really... They appreciate

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the sport. They watch a lot of it, but they don't...

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They're not enthusiastic enough to share it,

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I feel. Are they the greys that come in asking

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for streams all the time? Yeah, basically. I

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feel like that level is more like a... casual

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than a but it's no but it's a hardcore it's a

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hardcore compared to a casual like a hardcore

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knows that there's a fight going on they just

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don't like they just don't care really outside

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of their own entertainment of the fight like

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a hardcore will watch their country's boxing

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but they won't watch in other countries like

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again you gotta remember Like, all the greys

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that come in, like, they're casuals to us because

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we're, like, the 0 .1 % hardcores that, like,

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we're here, like, soiling our pants over Inoue

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Nakatani. That is a casual fight, though. That

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is a very casual fight. I don't think so. No.

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No one knows who Nakatani is. They know who Inoue

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is through Instagram highlights. Maybe not to

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us, but Japanese, the Japanese people, that's

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a casual fight. Oh, that's suitable for them.

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Oh, for sure. I use the Western lens because

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it's where most of the money in the sport, unfortunately,

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comes from. Like the natural money, not the Saudi

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money. Yeah. Like the naturally occurring money

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comes from selling out stadiums in the States.

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Yeah. That's just where it is. All the biggest

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fights happen when you sell out Vegas. And everyone

00:16:19.519 --> 00:16:23.120
there... It's a vacation for them. It's an event.

00:16:26.620 --> 00:16:30.620
So, like, again, it's always, like, we're the

00:16:30.620 --> 00:16:34.279
0 .1 % hardcores. I feel like there's, like,

00:16:34.299 --> 00:16:36.600
a missing, like, fifth one, though, right in

00:16:36.600 --> 00:16:39.379
between, like, hardcore, casual, casual, hardcore.

00:16:39.679 --> 00:16:41.720
I feel like the third, like, the level of hardcore

00:16:41.720 --> 00:16:44.299
is a bit of a spectrum. Because, like, with casuals,

00:16:44.299 --> 00:16:46.750
it's very defined as, like... They'll tune in

00:16:46.750 --> 00:16:49.750
to, like, they've only watched two fights in

00:16:49.750 --> 00:16:51.970
ten years, and it's Mike Tyson, Jake Paul, and

00:16:51.970 --> 00:16:54.750
Mayweather McGregor. They know who Terrence Crawford

00:16:54.750 --> 00:16:58.610
is from the Kendrick Lamar song. Yeah. That's

00:16:58.610 --> 00:17:00.590
what I mean. Like, it's very obvious what a casual

00:17:00.590 --> 00:17:03.110
is, but from hardcore, there's, like, a hardcore

00:17:03.110 --> 00:17:07.690
who, like, they know enough box to watch it,

00:17:07.710 --> 00:17:09.650
but not to care, and, like, they care a little

00:17:09.650 --> 00:17:13.549
bit, but not, like, enough to know. They don't

00:17:13.549 --> 00:17:15.970
go out of their way for it. Yeah, like, they

00:17:15.970 --> 00:17:17.829
come in and they'll ask for a stream when it's

00:17:17.829 --> 00:17:23.269
a guy they like, but they don't learn more. Like,

00:17:23.329 --> 00:17:28.009
the 0 .1 % hardcores are not looking up, like,

00:17:28.109 --> 00:17:32.829
who Subriel Matias is fighting next. They don't

00:17:32.829 --> 00:17:38.990
know who Pueyo is, as an example. So the 0 .1%,

00:17:38.990 --> 00:17:42.079
that's the Discord? Yeah, the Discord. Like,

00:17:42.119 --> 00:17:47.599
we are the 0 .1 % hardcores. Complete fucking

00:17:47.599 --> 00:17:51.960
nerds. Even if you're, like, willingly obtuse

00:17:51.960 --> 00:17:54.740
about not watching some parts of box, you still

00:17:54.740 --> 00:17:58.339
know. Like watching the women's fights or the

00:17:58.339 --> 00:18:00.839
smaller weight classes? Yeah, like a guy will

00:18:00.839 --> 00:18:03.279
go like, I'm not watching midget boxing, but

00:18:03.279 --> 00:18:07.279
you're aware of Inoue. And you're aware of Nakatani,

00:18:07.339 --> 00:18:10.359
too. I fucking hate BritBox, but I'm aware of

00:18:10.359 --> 00:18:20.160
what goes on in BritBox. Again, we surround ourselves

00:18:20.160 --> 00:18:25.480
with enough .1 % hardcores that we often remember.

00:18:26.579 --> 00:18:31.380
It's like talking to a coworker when you think

00:18:31.380 --> 00:18:36.900
about the average person who would... have a

00:18:36.900 --> 00:18:44.480
passing knowledge of boxing. I was just trying

00:18:44.480 --> 00:18:48.299
to figure out if I could shoehorn the space between

00:18:48.299 --> 00:18:50.980
the casual and the hardcore to call them soft

00:18:50.980 --> 00:18:55.420
cores. Soft cores? Soft core bands. I think you

00:18:55.420 --> 00:18:59.859
can call the first tier hardcore soft core. Honestly.

00:19:00.539 --> 00:19:03.559
Again, it's a spectrum. Yeah, it's a spectrum.

00:19:05.069 --> 00:19:09.549
I hate to say it, but I saw people being like,

00:19:09.630 --> 00:19:12.069
why is no one watching Better BF Gvozdik? It

00:19:12.069 --> 00:19:14.309
was like a super fight on top rank. And I'm like,

00:19:14.430 --> 00:19:17.970
you said the words Gvozdik and top rank. Like,

00:19:17.970 --> 00:19:22.910
you're already, like, for the casual, you have

00:19:22.910 --> 00:19:29.289
to say, like, big Russian guy on ESPN. Big Russian

00:19:29.289 --> 00:19:33.069
versus big Ukrainian. On ESPN. On ESPN, yeah.

00:19:33.190 --> 00:19:36.450
You can't go Gvazdik, better be him on top rank.

00:19:36.630 --> 00:19:42.690
Like, that's hardcore language. But that's how

00:19:42.690 --> 00:19:45.609
I see it, at least. Like, the amount of people

00:19:45.609 --> 00:19:48.630
who actually know about the sport is far less

00:19:48.630 --> 00:19:51.829
than we perceive, just because we spend so much

00:19:51.829 --> 00:19:55.829
time caring and talking about it with other people

00:19:55.829 --> 00:20:00.990
who care and talk about it. So tell me if this

00:20:00.990 --> 00:20:05.390
is hardcore language. Emmanuel Navarrete versus

00:20:05.390 --> 00:20:10.890
Eduardo Nunez. WBO IBF unification on top rank

00:20:10.890 --> 00:20:18.190
in Phoenix. That hardcore language. They don't

00:20:18.190 --> 00:20:20.349
even have a TV. They don't even have a TV broadcaster.

00:20:20.569 --> 00:20:25.109
Nope. That's why I said top rank. They don't

00:20:25.109 --> 00:20:27.150
even have a TV broadcaster. You can't even say,

00:20:27.210 --> 00:20:30.210
hey, hop on ESPN this Saturday. Watch ESPN this

00:20:30.210 --> 00:20:34.910
Saturday. Top rank on fucking Tubi, bro. You

00:20:34.910 --> 00:20:36.549
know how weird it is? You know how bad it is

00:20:36.549 --> 00:20:38.329
if you go to your co -worker and say, hey, there's

00:20:38.329 --> 00:20:40.829
this Mexican guy. He's pretty cool. You have

00:20:40.829 --> 00:20:45.109
to install this app called Farty McDookie that

00:20:45.109 --> 00:20:47.509
sounds like malware on your fucking phone to

00:20:47.509 --> 00:20:52.420
watch it. Or hop on Brazzers. Yeah. Your phone

00:20:52.420 --> 00:20:54.960
treats it like malware or it's browsers or whatever.

00:20:55.019 --> 00:21:02.660
Like, no. Or the alternative is hopping on the

00:21:02.660 --> 00:21:06.559
high Cs where it is malware. Yeah, it's computer

00:21:06.559 --> 00:21:09.619
herpes. It is just malware unless you have a

00:21:09.619 --> 00:21:13.980
good ad blocker, which, again, tech literacy

00:21:13.980 --> 00:21:16.380
is probably less common than boxing literacy.

00:21:18.959 --> 00:21:22.099
Yeah, but this is a good fight, though. I'm excited

00:21:22.099 --> 00:21:24.240
for it. Oh, it's absolutely a good fight. I'm

00:21:24.240 --> 00:21:26.740
actually still shocked Navarrete hasn't lost

00:21:26.740 --> 00:21:32.519
yet. Yeah, you're funny. He's lost already. He's

00:21:32.519 --> 00:21:34.299
lost already. I'm saying he hasn't lost, like,

00:21:34.400 --> 00:21:36.359
he lost to Baranchik, but I'm saying he hasn't

00:21:36.359 --> 00:21:38.799
lost, like, embarrassingly. He hasn't lost his

00:21:38.799 --> 00:21:42.279
title. That's kind of embarrassing. Okay, Baranchik

00:21:42.279 --> 00:21:45.559
is embarrassing. The excuse is that he moved

00:21:45.559 --> 00:21:51.660
up. That's not an excuse for him, dude. I'm saying,

00:21:51.740 --> 00:21:55.019
like, I'm shocked he hasn't lost super embarrassingly.

00:21:55.359 --> 00:21:57.779
Like, again, a slick decision to Baron Chick

00:21:57.779 --> 00:22:05.299
moving up again too far to 135 is whatever. But

00:22:05.299 --> 00:22:09.200
I will say somewhere around the time when he

00:22:09.200 --> 00:22:11.900
fought, like, Liam Wilson and rigged the scales,

00:22:12.039 --> 00:22:16.569
that's when I was like, this is... That was what

00:22:16.569 --> 00:22:25.029
I expected him to lose. So I'm shocked he hasn't

00:22:25.029 --> 00:22:29.710
lost more embarrassingly. Well, this is going

00:22:29.710 --> 00:22:32.930
to be a clubber. This is a barn burner, I think.

00:22:33.109 --> 00:22:36.529
Oh, absolutely. It's going to be one hell of

00:22:36.529 --> 00:22:40.230
a fight. Honestly, I got Nunez for it, but that's

00:22:40.230 --> 00:22:44.930
just me. I'm feeling Nunez too. Nunez is on the

00:22:44.930 --> 00:22:47.809
up. He's in his prime, and Navarrete's definitely

00:22:47.809 --> 00:22:52.950
been on the downslope for a little while. He's

00:22:52.950 --> 00:22:58.309
been around for a while. Listen, man. The rigging

00:22:58.309 --> 00:23:00.369
the scale with Liam Wilson is where I kind of

00:23:00.369 --> 00:23:02.309
drew the line on Navarrete, and I'm like, how

00:23:02.309 --> 00:23:11.650
the fuck... What is happening here? How does

00:23:11.650 --> 00:23:15.190
Liam Wilson still drop you when... You showed

00:23:15.190 --> 00:23:25.029
up way overweight and rigged the scales. There's

00:23:25.029 --> 00:23:31.470
the... That was a fun incident. I forgot he did

00:23:31.470 --> 00:23:37.190
that. Liam Wilson, like, right before the fight

00:23:37.190 --> 00:23:40.410
is like, I have never weighed 126 pounds in my

00:23:40.410 --> 00:23:46.829
life. It's true. He's never weighed 126 pounds

00:23:46.829 --> 00:23:48.190
in his life. Yeah, he's always fought at 130,

00:23:48.410 --> 00:23:52.329
I believe. He fought 130 and 135, and he fought

00:23:52.329 --> 00:23:56.430
at 140 for his first fight. So the fact that

00:23:56.430 --> 00:24:00.470
his official weight is 126 pounds for Emmanuel

00:24:00.470 --> 00:24:03.809
Navarrete, when Emmanuel Navarrete barely squeezed

00:24:03.809 --> 00:24:12.430
in at under 130, a little sus. Just a little.

00:24:12.490 --> 00:24:14.950
Well, I mean, you know why. We all know why.

00:24:15.329 --> 00:24:17.509
Hey, read the fucking scales. It's so obvious.

00:24:18.509 --> 00:24:25.910
I didn't even try and hide it. He's still almost

00:24:25.910 --> 00:24:28.730
lost. That's besides the point. I have Nunez.

00:24:31.789 --> 00:24:37.690
This one's in my city, so I have to go. I think

00:24:37.690 --> 00:24:42.250
Nunez is going to take it, hopefully. I can't

00:24:42.250 --> 00:24:46.509
handle another Navarrete win. Jesus. Yeah, top

00:24:46.509 --> 00:24:49.849
rank strongest soldier. I feel like top rank

00:24:49.849 --> 00:24:51.809
is ready to cash him out. It does seem like...

00:24:51.809 --> 00:24:55.450
Oh, they're so done with him. They tried giving

00:24:55.450 --> 00:24:58.690
him the Valdez twice just for him to beat the

00:24:58.690 --> 00:25:04.289
shit out of Valdez. Valdez was ready for the...

00:25:04.289 --> 00:25:07.849
He wasn't ready for the washing machine. He was

00:25:07.849 --> 00:25:12.289
ready to be used as a... A rag under a dog bowl.

00:25:14.990 --> 00:25:23.970
Apparently, Valdez was that washed. To utilize

00:25:23.970 --> 00:25:32.069
Trapo theory. Yep. José Armando Resendiz versus

00:25:32.069 --> 00:25:38.890
Edgar Berlanga. In the works for... I know the

00:25:38.890 --> 00:25:42.029
connotation of this word goes to something else,

00:25:42.089 --> 00:25:45.470
but this is how it was presented to me. First

00:25:45.470 --> 00:25:51.910
trimester of 2026. So sometime in the first four

00:25:51.910 --> 00:25:55.150
months. Verlanca probably loses this. He should

00:25:55.150 --> 00:25:57.710
lose this. I expect him to lose pretty handily.

00:25:58.230 --> 00:26:02.970
I don't think there's... It's tough to imagine

00:26:02.970 --> 00:26:08.490
him winning. Yeah, I have very little faith in

00:26:08.490 --> 00:26:11.710
Edgar Berlanga. It's fun. The King of New York

00:26:11.710 --> 00:26:18.009
memes are fun. He sucks. But yeah, he's not very

00:26:18.009 --> 00:26:22.529
good. That's all I got of the news, though, unless

00:26:22.529 --> 00:26:31.170
there's something else I missed. All right. Let's

00:26:31.170 --> 00:26:34.329
get into the recaps. Motherfucking Probox is

00:26:34.329 --> 00:26:39.069
back, baby. I only picked up three fights from

00:26:39.069 --> 00:26:43.630
this one. Dominic Valle getting the wide UD over

00:26:43.630 --> 00:26:48.190
Rene Alvarado. That was a pretty nice outing.

00:26:52.210 --> 00:26:56.430
Dominic Valle continues to impress. And his competition

00:26:56.430 --> 00:27:01.150
is only going to get better from here. Speaking

00:27:01.150 --> 00:27:05.420
of which, Katsuma Akitsugi. He steps it up to

00:27:05.420 --> 00:27:08.339
Vincent Australabio, gets the stoppage in seven.

00:27:08.839 --> 00:27:12.480
Death by a thousand cuts. That is an impressive

00:27:12.480 --> 00:27:17.480
win, I will say. Drop him like five times. Yep,

00:27:17.480 --> 00:27:23.079
that is an impressive win. Australabio is no

00:27:23.079 --> 00:27:30.859
slouch. I think it was RGF called him, he calls

00:27:30.859 --> 00:27:35.299
him Vince Space Pussy. Yeah. Well, I mean, let's

00:27:35.299 --> 00:27:39.259
get his name. That's his name. Yeah. That's just

00:27:39.259 --> 00:27:43.000
his name. Yeah, it is. There's no slouch. Yeah.

00:27:43.299 --> 00:27:47.099
Vincent Space Pussy, always a good check. A skill

00:27:47.099 --> 00:27:51.839
check for guys. Yeah, I mean, yeah, he showed

00:27:51.839 --> 00:27:57.440
up today. Big time. Oh, that day. No. Big time.

00:27:57.440 --> 00:28:01.579
I will note that the Astro Love You... Only other

00:28:01.579 --> 00:28:06.880
time he's been that badly done, other than like

00:28:06.880 --> 00:28:11.579
a weird flash occurrence in 2018, was Junto Nakatani

00:28:11.579 --> 00:28:16.700
obliterating him in one. Yeah, I mean, that's

00:28:16.700 --> 00:28:21.900
just Nakatani, though. Yeah. Rumor was that Australabio

00:28:21.900 --> 00:28:26.640
had a ruptured appendix, I think it was. That's

00:28:26.640 --> 00:28:30.180
why he got blasted in one. Yeah. Believe that

00:28:30.180 --> 00:28:33.279
if you will, but... Listen, man, I watched Zhelei

00:28:33.279 --> 00:28:38.799
Zhang have his entire body shut down, and he

00:28:38.799 --> 00:28:43.660
still made it all ten with Jerry Forrest. Fun

00:28:43.660 --> 00:28:46.079
story about that fight. The reason, apparently

00:28:46.079 --> 00:28:48.920
the cited reason by Zhang why his body was shutting

00:28:48.920 --> 00:28:51.000
down like that was because he didn't drink water

00:28:51.000 --> 00:28:56.480
for a week before the fight. What? Well... Do

00:28:56.480 --> 00:29:00.660
you want to die? Jerry Forrest? I don't know.

00:29:03.799 --> 00:29:13.339
Oh, man. That's fucking dangerous. Oh, shit.

00:29:14.440 --> 00:29:19.880
But yeah, Katsuma Kitsugi, he's making him better

00:29:19.880 --> 00:29:25.480
every time. So, he's been on Probox fucking how

00:29:25.480 --> 00:29:32.440
many times? Three or four. And he's gotten a

00:29:32.440 --> 00:29:36.900
stoppage, I believe, three out of four times.

00:29:40.180 --> 00:29:43.079
He's not necessarily a stoppage guy. He's got

00:29:43.079 --> 00:29:46.960
14 wins, four KOs. Four knockouts. Yeah, but

00:29:46.960 --> 00:29:53.359
you know what? Clearly he's got some pop that

00:29:53.359 --> 00:29:56.630
you've got to respect him. Yep. Especially three,

00:29:56.690 --> 00:29:58.509
again, as you said, three of his four knockouts

00:29:58.509 --> 00:30:04.670
are recent. So it could just be that four, six,

00:30:04.730 --> 00:30:09.490
eight rounds aren't enough. Yeah, the death by

00:30:09.490 --> 00:30:16.029
a thousand cuts is a good moniker. And headlining

00:30:16.029 --> 00:30:19.809
the card, Delonte Johnson stops Nicholas Floss

00:30:19.809 --> 00:30:28.069
in four. A pretty one -sided affair. I hope to

00:30:28.069 --> 00:30:31.390
see Floss back because he's fun. One thing I

00:30:31.390 --> 00:30:33.049
was surprised about is that he got knocked out

00:30:33.049 --> 00:30:36.150
by, of all people, Tiger Johnson. You know, Tiger

00:30:36.150 --> 00:30:39.390
Johnson's good. I'm not trying to put him down,

00:30:39.490 --> 00:30:42.069
but he's been shown to be a little pillow -fisting

00:30:42.069 --> 00:30:46.769
in the past. So for him to do that, he got that

00:30:46.769 --> 00:30:48.410
pro box buff immediately. I'll tell you that.

00:30:48.750 --> 00:30:52.930
Yeah, he did. Where the fuck did that come from?

00:30:53.769 --> 00:30:57.009
I will say this about Probox. Probox has pretty

00:30:57.009 --> 00:31:07.470
small rings. Yeah. 16 -footers. The rings are

00:31:07.470 --> 00:31:10.890
smaller than your usual huge 30 -foot rings.

00:31:12.569 --> 00:31:16.150
I will say it's a very natural way of encouraging

00:31:16.150 --> 00:31:21.490
action. How often do they make those rings that

00:31:21.490 --> 00:31:25.099
small, besides Probox? A lot of Mexican cards

00:31:25.099 --> 00:31:31.259
have them like that. Mexican cards. Really just

00:31:31.259 --> 00:31:34.859
depends on the A -side. Usually the A -side ends

00:31:34.859 --> 00:31:40.019
up wanting to make it huge for no reason. Depends

00:31:40.019 --> 00:31:43.119
on the A -side style, like Floyd Mayweather would

00:31:43.119 --> 00:31:47.799
want a bigger ring. Vladimir Klitschko was infamous

00:31:47.799 --> 00:31:54.529
for his huge, huge 32, 36 -foot rings. And a

00:31:54.529 --> 00:31:57.930
lot of extra padding. The extra foam. The extra

00:31:57.930 --> 00:32:04.609
foam was crazy. Great catch by Peter Fury when

00:32:04.609 --> 00:32:11.829
it mattered. Yeah, they likened it to stepping

00:32:11.829 --> 00:32:16.930
in sand. Yeah. It checks out. Especially with

00:32:16.930 --> 00:32:20.069
a movement fighter. I mean, it's what it is.

00:32:21.379 --> 00:32:26.000
Sugar Ray Leonard would always get the, like,

00:32:26.079 --> 00:32:30.900
always rejected Mexican gloves for his B -sides.

00:32:32.799 --> 00:32:37.220
Yeah, Floyd rejected Marcos Maidana's Mexican

00:32:37.220 --> 00:32:39.599
gloves. Okay, those gloves were ridiculous. Yeah,

00:32:39.619 --> 00:32:41.940
they were, like, to the extreme. That's different.

00:32:43.079 --> 00:32:46.980
Because that's different. Leonard would reject

00:32:46.980 --> 00:32:53.339
the Mexican Grants and the Reyes. But those Everlast

00:32:53.339 --> 00:32:56.859
MXs that Maidana had, you could see the knuckle

00:32:56.859 --> 00:33:04.099
in the fitting videos. You could see Ellerbee's

00:33:04.099 --> 00:33:08.500
knuckle when he was looking at it. Those were

00:33:08.500 --> 00:33:14.880
ridiculous. Is nobody gonna comment about LRB's

00:33:14.880 --> 00:33:18.779
knuckle? LRB's knuckles. Ah, his hands are fat

00:33:18.779 --> 00:33:22.000
enough, it could be one. Oh, I thought you were

00:33:22.000 --> 00:33:23.799
talking about, like, a moose knuckle. No, you

00:33:23.799 --> 00:33:26.299
could, no. I was like, what the fuck? No, like,

00:33:26.299 --> 00:33:30.420
through the glove, you could see LRB's knuckles.

00:33:31.440 --> 00:33:34.519
Like, it was that bad. Like, that first Maidana

00:33:34.519 --> 00:33:37.019
fight, like, the gloves that got rejected were,

00:33:37.059 --> 00:33:38.740
like, that was ridiculous. That was comically,

00:33:38.799 --> 00:33:48.299
like, unpadded. Anything more for ProBucks? ProBucks,

00:33:48.339 --> 00:33:53.200
good. ProBucks, very good. Alright, let's keep

00:33:53.200 --> 00:33:56.819
it rolling. Saturday, November 8th, Golden Boy

00:33:56.819 --> 00:34:00.220
at the Dickies Arena in Fort Worth, Texas. Before

00:34:00.220 --> 00:34:03.779
we get to the headlines, there's only one, two

00:34:03.779 --> 00:34:07.799
fights really worth pointing out. Amari Jones,

00:34:08.159 --> 00:34:13.230
stoppage in three over Shady Gamor. And Joshua

00:34:13.230 --> 00:34:20.190
Edwards, stoppage in three over Zeno Voris. You're

00:34:20.190 --> 00:34:24.849
just making guys up. Joshua Edwards is the hope

00:34:24.849 --> 00:34:28.190
of American heavyweights. He's our only hope.

00:34:29.050 --> 00:34:31.889
Chad Chibiti came up with some of these guys.

00:34:33.670 --> 00:34:38.369
That was a knockout of all time, too. Zeno Voris

00:34:38.369 --> 00:34:43.369
is a real guy. I'm just being informed. Yeah.

00:34:43.369 --> 00:34:48.090
Yeah. His corner pulled him because he was just

00:34:48.090 --> 00:34:52.150
getting pieced up. Good for his corner. His corner's

00:34:52.150 --> 00:34:54.929
like, yeah, you know what? Fuck this. I've seen

00:34:54.929 --> 00:34:58.289
enough. We have a fight next week. We have a

00:34:58.289 --> 00:35:00.510
fight next week, guys. Like, come on. Pull him

00:35:00.510 --> 00:35:06.510
out. Jason Voorhees. Nino Voorhees. And Jason,

00:35:06.510 --> 00:35:11.769
he was not. Yeah, Jason, he was not. That's all

00:35:11.769 --> 00:35:14.530
I got to say. Let's go Joshua Edwards' future.

00:35:14.989 --> 00:35:18.929
No, the actual shit we care about. Yeah, I'm

00:35:18.929 --> 00:35:21.889
skipping all the other stuff because the fights

00:35:21.889 --> 00:35:26.570
were fucking awful. I've seen two draws on BoxRec.

00:35:26.889 --> 00:35:29.869
Lawrence Cole is a referee, so I'm going to gouge

00:35:29.869 --> 00:35:31.769
my eyes out before I watch those fights back.

00:35:33.530 --> 00:35:38.179
Virgil Ortiz stops Erickson Lubin in two. Oh,

00:35:38.219 --> 00:35:42.539
man, he had him slumped on the ropes. What a

00:35:42.539 --> 00:35:48.219
stoppage. We talked about this before this ended

00:35:48.219 --> 00:35:53.340
up in the lost tapes. We were talking about how

00:35:53.340 --> 00:35:58.280
Virgil Ortiz did not have the luxury of going

00:35:58.280 --> 00:36:02.260
rounds with Erickson Lubin, right? Nope. Because

00:36:02.260 --> 00:36:05.719
of the beating that Boots put on Luisma Lima.

00:36:06.510 --> 00:36:10.150
Even though Lima, well, at the time, in hindsight,

00:36:10.369 --> 00:36:13.110
we thought, or at the time, we thought Lima,

00:36:13.289 --> 00:36:16.070
or that Lubin was a better opponent than Lima.

00:36:16.389 --> 00:36:18.530
Does that stand? Does that point still stand?

00:36:18.690 --> 00:36:22.230
Is Erickson Lubin still better than Lima? 100%,

00:36:22.230 --> 00:36:25.030
yeah. In a fight, Erickson Lubin would totally

00:36:25.030 --> 00:36:29.389
own Lima. That being said, what was Lubin's plan?

00:36:30.429 --> 00:36:33.510
Like, he spent, like, I get it. He spent a lot

00:36:33.510 --> 00:36:36.260
of time in the ropes against the... Jesus Ramos.

00:36:36.719 --> 00:36:38.880
But also, like, are you really going to sit against

00:36:38.880 --> 00:36:41.019
the ropes of the high guard not moving your head

00:36:41.019 --> 00:36:45.000
against Virgil? The first round, he was using

00:36:45.000 --> 00:36:48.400
his reach. He was using his jab pretty effectively.

00:36:48.820 --> 00:36:51.400
Yeah, like he was tagging. I'm not saying he

00:36:51.400 --> 00:36:53.579
was going to hurt Virgil ever. But he was making

00:36:53.579 --> 00:36:56.039
Virgil work for those opportunities on the inside.

00:36:56.320 --> 00:36:59.559
The second round, he backed up to the ropes and

00:36:59.559 --> 00:37:03.920
basically lied down for Virgil to take his soul.

00:37:05.070 --> 00:37:09.369
Full credit to Virgil because a lesser men would

00:37:09.369 --> 00:37:11.829
have totally just would have not been able to

00:37:11.829 --> 00:37:15.329
tear him down at least that quickly. Jesus Ramos

00:37:15.329 --> 00:37:20.630
couldn't. No. But, like, what's the game plan?

00:37:24.309 --> 00:37:27.110
What's the thought process? I'm, like, holding

00:37:27.110 --> 00:37:28.769
it in. I'm, like, holding it until Josh is done.

00:37:29.050 --> 00:37:32.710
Yeah, I was going to say, Saul, your containment

00:37:32.710 --> 00:37:35.780
cannot be. Go ahead. Go ahead. I'm just saying,

00:37:35.840 --> 00:37:39.619
like, my one – again, lesser – like, Virgil,

00:37:39.719 --> 00:37:42.360
absolutely premier offensive talent in the sport

00:37:42.360 --> 00:37:45.300
for being able to tear that down that quickly.

00:37:45.679 --> 00:37:48.619
But Erickson Lubin, surely he knew who he was

00:37:48.619 --> 00:37:51.099
up against, and that was a really stupid game

00:37:51.099 --> 00:37:57.059
plan. So, go ahead. What I'm going to say about

00:37:57.059 --> 00:38:01.679
Virgil – oh, my God. Oh, my God, dude. That was

00:38:01.679 --> 00:38:04.940
– That was beautiful. At first, I'm going to

00:38:04.940 --> 00:38:07.599
be honest, at first that stoppage did seem a

00:38:07.599 --> 00:38:14.400
little sus to me. On first watch, I thought it

00:38:14.400 --> 00:38:16.820
was way too early and the ref stopped it because

00:38:16.820 --> 00:38:18.880
they knew that the boots fight was lining up.

00:38:19.679 --> 00:38:21.760
However, on that second time around when they

00:38:21.760 --> 00:38:26.500
showed it in slow -mo, holy shit, Lubin was out

00:38:26.500 --> 00:38:32.150
on his feet. That was brutal. And with a little

00:38:32.150 --> 00:38:35.789
time that Virgil fought, he showed some skills,

00:38:35.909 --> 00:38:39.250
man. Like, Lubin was obviously going to try to

00:38:39.250 --> 00:38:43.250
outbox him. He tried to, in the first round,

00:38:43.369 --> 00:38:45.650
he put a little bit, he was moving around the

00:38:45.650 --> 00:38:48.769
ring. But Virgil already knew what he was going

00:38:48.769 --> 00:38:52.750
to do. Virgil figured him out pretty damn early.

00:38:52.849 --> 00:38:56.210
I was surprised. I thought that it was going

00:38:56.210 --> 00:39:27.639
to be... Yeah. Yeah. Sending a hook, dude? Oh,

00:39:27.659 --> 00:39:32.800
my God. Oh, my God. That was fantastic. You know,

00:39:32.800 --> 00:39:34.920
and he was, honestly, he was using some lateral

00:39:34.920 --> 00:39:36.559
movement, too. A little bit of lateral movement.

00:39:37.659 --> 00:39:41.860
That was nice. That was nice. I got to give Virgil

00:39:41.860 --> 00:39:44.440
my props because that was the best possible outcome

00:39:44.440 --> 00:39:46.840
for the fight. Because if it went the distance

00:39:46.840 --> 00:39:50.280
or even a late KO, people would have been, you

00:39:50.280 --> 00:39:53.300
know, saying, you know, it was a, he should have

00:39:53.300 --> 00:39:56.519
gone to KO. Why would he get it that late? Why

00:39:56.519 --> 00:39:58.460
did he go with the decision? And if Virgil lost,

00:39:58.559 --> 00:40:01.579
his career would pretty much be over. You know?

00:40:02.199 --> 00:40:06.099
But he got the KO in round two. And not only

00:40:06.099 --> 00:40:09.000
that, after the fight, he called him boots into

00:40:09.000 --> 00:40:11.460
the ring. That's some badass shit right there.

00:40:11.760 --> 00:40:13.940
I mean, maybe it was planned. That was totally

00:40:13.940 --> 00:40:19.219
planned. Unless he lost. That was still pretty

00:40:19.219 --> 00:40:26.110
damn cool to see. Anytime somebody quote -unquote

00:40:26.110 --> 00:40:28.389
invades the ring or is brought into the ring,

00:40:28.590 --> 00:40:32.570
it's always planned. There have been times where

00:40:32.570 --> 00:40:34.949
fighters have tried to get into the ring to talk

00:40:34.949 --> 00:40:38.829
shit, and they get stopped. Security is too good

00:40:38.829 --> 00:40:42.329
at fights for that to happen. Yeah, they'll stop

00:40:42.329 --> 00:40:45.219
them. So if they came up to... If he comes into

00:40:45.219 --> 00:40:49.960
the ring to jawjack, then it's... I've seen Demetrius

00:40:49.960 --> 00:40:51.840
Andrade get stopped by security at least twice.

00:40:52.119 --> 00:40:55.179
That's who I was thinking of. Andrade kept trying

00:40:55.179 --> 00:40:58.159
to do this. No one humored it. Security would

00:40:58.159 --> 00:41:02.280
just be like, you're not getting up there. Honestly,

00:41:02.460 --> 00:41:04.840
obviously I know his plan, but it was like...

00:41:04.840 --> 00:41:08.440
That was bad. It was still cool. Yeah, it was

00:41:08.440 --> 00:41:13.010
cool. It's an excellent promo and... a perfect

00:41:13.010 --> 00:41:15.949
social media highlight to promote this fight.

00:41:16.730 --> 00:41:22.610
Again, I'm not going to count my eggs before

00:41:22.610 --> 00:41:26.289
they hatch here with who's going to win or what

00:41:26.289 --> 00:41:28.389
because I need the fight announced. And I need

00:41:28.389 --> 00:41:33.130
it announced at a U .S. venue. The thing is that

00:41:33.130 --> 00:41:35.409
do we really have confidence that they're going

00:41:35.409 --> 00:41:39.530
to put it in a U .S. venue? They should. I have

00:41:39.530 --> 00:41:44.460
faith. I'm not gonna say I, like, my brain, like,

00:41:44.519 --> 00:41:50.219
logically on paper, this thing's gonna be undercard

00:41:50.219 --> 00:41:55.059
fighting Rhea to some bullshit. But I'm saying,

00:41:55.139 --> 00:41:59.320
like, if, like, if we're serious here, it has

00:41:59.320 --> 00:42:01.860
to be, it has to happen next, and it has to happen

00:42:01.860 --> 00:42:06.239
in the United States. It needs to be here, dude.

00:42:06.570 --> 00:42:10.010
This thing needs a sellout crowd. It can't happen

00:42:10.010 --> 00:42:12.949
in front of 60 people. It's going to happen in

00:42:12.949 --> 00:42:16.369
like 60 ,000 people. It's got to happen in the

00:42:16.369 --> 00:42:20.369
U .S. It won't be in Texas. It won't be in Philly.

00:42:20.949 --> 00:42:26.170
It'll be in Vegas. Maybe L .A. L .A. would be

00:42:26.170 --> 00:42:28.309
a good one too. L .A. is a good venue for it.

00:42:30.130 --> 00:42:31.570
That would be probably the biggest fight that

00:42:31.570 --> 00:42:33.730
L .A. has seen. It has to be stateside though.

00:42:34.110 --> 00:42:37.690
Yeah, it can't be in fucking Riyadh or whatever

00:42:37.690 --> 00:42:42.110
else. No, like, it has to be. Like I said, I'm

00:42:42.110 --> 00:42:45.610
praying. I know the money that's going to have

00:42:45.610 --> 00:42:48.730
to be put up is going to be from Turkey, but

00:42:48.730 --> 00:42:51.650
I hope it's a ring card in the United States

00:42:51.650 --> 00:42:58.500
and not locked away in Saudi. I was going to

00:42:58.500 --> 00:43:02.980
say, we have our own separate views on how the

00:43:02.980 --> 00:43:05.420
fight's going to go. It just has to happen. We

00:43:05.420 --> 00:43:10.300
have to see it. There's no better time for it

00:43:10.300 --> 00:43:16.420
to happen. Because I will say, let's say Virgil

00:43:16.420 --> 00:43:19.719
goes and fights Bokrum next, or Luz fights Bokrum.

00:43:19.780 --> 00:43:24.619
They might lose. And then this fight of two premier...

00:43:25.000 --> 00:43:28.260
two premier offensive talents in the sport, it

00:43:28.260 --> 00:43:30.780
goes up in the air if one of them gets beaten

00:43:30.780 --> 00:43:35.000
up and busted up. I'm going to ask a question

00:43:35.000 --> 00:43:37.039
right now. Oh, sorry, Doug. Before I ask the

00:43:37.039 --> 00:43:38.599
question, you say your piece. I was going to

00:43:38.599 --> 00:43:40.820
say, what's the chatter I'm hearing about Virgil

00:43:40.820 --> 00:43:45.980
talking about Spence? It's his dream fight or

00:43:45.980 --> 00:43:48.159
something? It's bullshit. That's some bullshit.

00:43:49.139 --> 00:43:52.159
I don't want to see that shit. I was going to

00:43:52.159 --> 00:43:54.380
say, like, so you got to agree. At that point,

00:43:54.579 --> 00:43:56.860
it is just ducking if he goes and fights Spence.

00:43:58.039 --> 00:43:59.659
100%. And that actually kind of leads me to my

00:43:59.659 --> 00:44:04.000
question. Because I really don't think... I think

00:44:04.000 --> 00:44:07.380
the fight should happen next, 100%. I don't really

00:44:07.380 --> 00:44:10.099
think there's any other fight that, you know,

00:44:10.099 --> 00:44:15.019
should happen besides that one. But the only

00:44:15.019 --> 00:44:16.480
thing I would excuse, the only fight I would

00:44:16.480 --> 00:44:20.599
excuse, if Virgil doesn't take the fight with...

00:44:21.900 --> 00:44:26.360
with boots is a Fundora fight. Because that in

00:44:26.360 --> 00:44:28.179
turn can make the fight with boots even bigger

00:44:28.179 --> 00:44:33.059
if he wins. It's a risk, but it skyrockets that

00:44:33.059 --> 00:44:35.559
fight. I'm just going to say you're introducing

00:44:35.559 --> 00:44:39.119
variables at this point. Like right now, they're

00:44:39.119 --> 00:44:43.340
both 27, 28. They're in their absolute physical

00:44:43.340 --> 00:44:48.480
peaks with no health issues. Let's say Virgil

00:44:48.480 --> 00:44:52.489
gets cut with Fundora. Don't say that. Don't

00:44:52.489 --> 00:44:54.750
say that. Don't say that. No, that's what I'm

00:44:54.750 --> 00:44:57.530
saying. It has to happen now. It happens now,

00:44:57.690 --> 00:45:00.510
and then the winner, like, it doesn't even need

00:45:00.510 --> 00:45:02.590
a title. Like, these are the two best guys in

00:45:02.590 --> 00:45:06.809
this weight class. Titles be damned. Like, this

00:45:06.809 --> 00:45:09.989
is a shootout for the best offensive fighter

00:45:09.989 --> 00:45:16.989
in the sport. Straight up. I will say that, honestly,

00:45:20.880 --> 00:45:24.159
I can hate me for this. I want it. I really want

00:45:24.159 --> 00:45:26.480
it as soon as possible. But at the same time,

00:45:26.500 --> 00:45:30.159
I also want it to have its moment, you know,

00:45:30.219 --> 00:45:34.119
in the sport where everybody's watching it. That

00:45:34.119 --> 00:45:36.719
it's just like it's not realistic for that to

00:45:36.719 --> 00:45:39.420
happen at this point. No, it can't. It's got

00:45:39.420 --> 00:45:41.880
to be like it'll either be like something will

00:45:41.880 --> 00:45:46.900
happen that'll make it too late. It's gotta happen

00:45:46.900 --> 00:45:49.139
now. I swear to Christ, if I hear someone say

00:45:49.139 --> 00:45:51.559
fucking marinate, I'm gonna lose my mind. Like,

00:45:51.579 --> 00:45:55.420
this is their absolute peak. This is, like, as

00:45:55.420 --> 00:45:59.739
athletes. And they're both athletic guys is the

00:45:59.739 --> 00:46:02.679
problem. You know what my feeling is about what's

00:46:02.679 --> 00:46:04.579
gonna happen? I got a feeling they're gonna do

00:46:04.579 --> 00:46:07.760
a fucking doubleheader in Riyadh. I'm just feeling

00:46:07.760 --> 00:46:11.079
it. Makes me wanna throw up. Listen, man, I'm

00:46:11.079 --> 00:46:13.420
going to barf, but they're going to put Nakatani

00:46:13.420 --> 00:46:17.099
Inoue and this and Virgil and Riyadh, and it's

00:46:17.099 --> 00:46:19.099
going to fuck over all the fans. But they're

00:46:19.099 --> 00:46:21.099
going to suck the money out of my ass if you

00:46:21.099 --> 00:46:24.260
put that kind of card together. Oh, I know. No,

00:46:24.420 --> 00:46:28.920
we're going to fly to Riyadh. I don't know if

00:46:28.920 --> 00:46:32.699
I want to step foot in that country. I'll get

00:46:32.699 --> 00:46:37.860
in trouble. Listen, man. More than this fight,

00:46:38.039 --> 00:46:40.760
listen, I'm willing to suck it up for Nakatani

00:46:40.760 --> 00:46:46.679
Inoue. Man, if that was a doubleheader, if that's

00:46:46.679 --> 00:46:48.639
what they did, like, shit, dude. Preferably,

00:46:48.699 --> 00:46:52.079
in the ideal world, Nakatani Inoue happens in

00:46:52.079 --> 00:46:56.579
Japan on New Year's Eve, and it's the Super Bowl.

00:46:56.960 --> 00:47:00.400
And this fight happens in L .A. on Cinco de Mayo.

00:47:01.940 --> 00:47:05.679
Honestly, the thing is that if Virgil... This

00:47:05.679 --> 00:47:08.719
is the prime route for Virgil. If he wins everything,

00:47:08.940 --> 00:47:12.039
okay? Let's say, best case scenario, he fights

00:47:12.039 --> 00:47:16.239
Pandora next, beats him. Then he fights him on

00:47:16.239 --> 00:47:19.159
Cinco de Mayo. And then on Mexican Independence

00:47:19.159 --> 00:47:22.260
Day, he fights Boots. Who does Boots fight in

00:47:22.260 --> 00:47:26.289
the meantime? The winner of Zayas Baru? Hold

00:47:26.289 --> 00:47:30.530
on, hold on, hold on. Let me give you a scenario.

00:47:30.650 --> 00:47:33.710
He beats Fandora. Okay, he has the WBC. Then

00:47:33.710 --> 00:47:38.010
he fights Boots and what do you call it? Mexican

00:47:38.010 --> 00:47:42.590
Independence Day. And he wins. Okay. He'd be

00:47:42.590 --> 00:47:46.889
the next Canelo at that point. He'd be the guy

00:47:46.889 --> 00:47:49.130
that the Mexicans are talking about, you know?

00:47:49.349 --> 00:47:52.010
That would be, he would be filling that spot.

00:47:52.070 --> 00:47:53.849
Him and Benavidez would be filling that spot

00:47:53.849 --> 00:47:59.340
in. Am I wrong? I understand he's not going to

00:47:59.340 --> 00:48:02.420
be as big as Canelo because he's not pure -blooded

00:48:02.420 --> 00:48:06.980
from Mexico, but you know what? That would fill

00:48:06.980 --> 00:48:12.719
in some of the casuals. I understand these things,

00:48:12.820 --> 00:48:16.039
but the thing is that just characteristically

00:48:16.039 --> 00:48:19.199
knowing how marination goes and how much of a

00:48:19.199 --> 00:48:24.230
dirty word it is, how much... this perfect spot.

00:48:24.389 --> 00:48:28.469
They both just had dominant social media highlight

00:48:28.469 --> 00:48:31.969
wins at their absolute physical peak. They got

00:48:31.969 --> 00:48:35.309
no health issues. They should just fight, and

00:48:35.309 --> 00:48:40.090
then their careers can play out, however. I see

00:48:40.090 --> 00:48:41.969
them fighting and then doing a rematch later

00:48:41.969 --> 00:48:44.010
on down the line. If it's competitive, yeah.

00:48:45.289 --> 00:48:47.130
I think it'll be competitive. There's no chance

00:48:47.130 --> 00:48:51.579
it's not. There's a chance it's not. The thing

00:48:51.579 --> 00:48:53.199
is that I understand, you know, you're a big

00:48:53.199 --> 00:48:55.480
boot stand. I'm a big boot stand. There's a chance

00:48:55.480 --> 00:48:59.179
it's not in either direction. That's the thing.

00:48:59.360 --> 00:49:02.440
This is the type of fight where I'm like, I don't

00:49:02.440 --> 00:49:05.300
think it's going to be like a total war because

00:49:05.300 --> 00:49:10.159
they're both too talented to do that. But I think

00:49:10.159 --> 00:49:12.940
it'll be interesting for two, three rounds of

00:49:12.940 --> 00:49:16.199
like seeing who manages to feel the other out.

00:49:17.559 --> 00:49:20.389
And then it'll be pretty one -way traffic. which

00:49:20.389 --> 00:49:23.130
is special in itself. It's a shootout. It's a

00:49:23.130 --> 00:49:24.590
classic piece of an unstoppable force versus

00:49:24.590 --> 00:49:26.630
an immovable object. That unstoppable force being

00:49:26.630 --> 00:49:30.469
Boots, the immovable object being Virgil. It's

00:49:30.469 --> 00:49:34.329
two unstoppable forces. These guys, all their

00:49:34.329 --> 00:49:39.230
flaws are defensive. I would say that, and you

00:49:39.230 --> 00:49:44.170
could kill me on this, but I think it's kind

00:49:44.170 --> 00:49:47.010
of half and half, or kind of mixed, where I think

00:49:47.010 --> 00:49:50.619
Boots' flaws are defensive. But he excels tremendously

00:49:50.619 --> 00:49:53.739
in offensive. Whereas Virgil, he's a great –

00:49:53.739 --> 00:49:56.880
he's a little better in defense. But in offense,

00:49:57.079 --> 00:49:59.880
he can be a little shaky at times. He's been

00:49:59.880 --> 00:50:02.800
caught while in the offense. Yeah, but that's

00:50:02.800 --> 00:50:05.320
a defensive flaw. Like, that's inherently – because

00:50:05.320 --> 00:50:08.119
he doesn't – both guys, if they're on their bike,

00:50:08.260 --> 00:50:10.059
won't – like, it won't matter. But I'm saying

00:50:10.059 --> 00:50:13.199
they're both such premier offensive talents that

00:50:13.199 --> 00:50:15.360
the defensive flaws when they're attacking happen.

00:50:16.719 --> 00:50:20.139
I agree. It's going to be a five -round shootout.

00:50:20.340 --> 00:50:22.340
When it happens, it's going to be a five -round

00:50:22.340 --> 00:50:27.480
shootout in either direction. Yeah, 100%. But

00:50:27.480 --> 00:50:31.619
it needs to happen now. I feel like I need to

00:50:31.619 --> 00:50:35.340
see some legitimate beef and anger. Because I

00:50:35.340 --> 00:50:37.199
think there's legitimate beef and anger between

00:50:37.199 --> 00:50:39.280
them two, which I don't think is going to happen.

00:50:39.420 --> 00:50:41.769
If it does, that's going to be like a war. That's

00:50:41.769 --> 00:50:43.949
the only time I'll be the one. They're sportsmen.

00:50:44.030 --> 00:50:46.170
Like, Hagler and Hearns never hated each other.

00:50:47.449 --> 00:50:50.590
Yeah. Mickey Ward and Arturo Gatti were best

00:50:50.590 --> 00:50:55.190
friends. It's just, like, guys who will fight

00:50:55.190 --> 00:50:57.889
will fight. I don't think there needs to be beef.

00:50:58.030 --> 00:51:00.570
These guys, again, they're the premier offensive

00:51:00.570 --> 00:51:02.710
talents of the sport. They're going to have a

00:51:02.710 --> 00:51:05.170
fantastic shootout. And my main point is that

00:51:05.170 --> 00:51:09.030
it has to happen now. I don't care later. It

00:51:09.030 --> 00:51:11.559
has to happen now. Because if it doesn't happen

00:51:11.559 --> 00:51:14.500
now, we're going to get, like, listen, either

00:51:14.500 --> 00:51:17.880
one could turn 30 and be shit overnight because

00:51:17.880 --> 00:51:22.579
their legs don't have it anymore. Oh, yeah. That's

00:51:22.579 --> 00:51:24.820
just what it is. Do it now. Do it now, and that

00:51:24.820 --> 00:51:26.679
way you don't have to answer any questions. It's

00:51:26.679 --> 00:51:29.719
just your questions are answered, and they can

00:51:29.719 --> 00:51:32.159
go forward as the number one or number two guy.

00:51:32.920 --> 00:51:35.119
Imagine they waited for Roy Jones and Bernard

00:51:35.119 --> 00:51:39.510
Hopkins. You know? I think the better case is,

00:51:39.550 --> 00:51:42.329
like, imagine if, like, the Mexicans in the late

00:51:42.329 --> 00:51:45.309
90s, early 2000s just didn't fight each other

00:51:45.309 --> 00:51:49.590
early. Yeah. Like, if Barrera -Morales never

00:51:49.590 --> 00:51:54.710
occurred, it's got to happen. It just has to,

00:51:54.730 --> 00:51:57.070
like, more than anything, I don't have takes

00:51:57.070 --> 00:52:00.929
on who wins, what happened. Like, I need it to

00:52:00.929 --> 00:52:06.300
happen. That was the point of your write -up,

00:52:06.380 --> 00:52:08.920
right? Yeah. Like, it has to happen next, and

00:52:08.920 --> 00:52:14.659
the asterisk is in America. Like, yeah. If it

00:52:14.659 --> 00:52:16.780
gets announced in America, absolutely. You're

00:52:16.780 --> 00:52:19.019
going to see me hop on my case for why Boots...

00:52:19.019 --> 00:52:20.539
I'm going to make... I'm going to write up two

00:52:20.539 --> 00:52:22.719
articles, one of how Boots could win and one

00:52:22.719 --> 00:52:24.639
of how Virgil could win, because they both have

00:52:24.639 --> 00:52:27.599
pretty okay paths to victory. But the bigger

00:52:27.599 --> 00:52:37.349
concern is losing a classic shootout. Who lands

00:52:37.349 --> 00:52:43.630
that one punch first? Whose defensive flaws actually

00:52:43.630 --> 00:52:48.630
matter is really the question. Yeah, because

00:52:48.630 --> 00:52:51.730
if Virgil gets knocked out, it's going to be

00:52:51.730 --> 00:52:55.510
when he's coming in. Yeah, and same with Boots.

00:52:56.550 --> 00:53:01.250
Again, I don't think Boots... Everyone takes

00:53:01.250 --> 00:53:04.829
his fights with Karen as the... Chuka Zadian

00:53:04.829 --> 00:53:09.030
as the barometer. But the thing is that Chuka

00:53:09.030 --> 00:53:10.869
Zadian was a negative guy who posed no threat.

00:53:12.550 --> 00:53:14.309
I feel like that's more of the first fight where

00:53:14.309 --> 00:53:17.369
he's a negative. That second fight, he didn't

00:53:17.369 --> 00:53:19.329
pose a threat, but at the same time, he brought

00:53:19.329 --> 00:53:24.449
it to him. The one I will say is in regards of

00:53:24.449 --> 00:53:26.789
how Enes reacts to being hit, it's still the

00:53:26.789 --> 00:53:30.110
Villa fight. Yeah, Royman Villa. The same for

00:53:30.110 --> 00:53:32.710
me. That's the measuring stick. That's how you

00:53:32.710 --> 00:53:35.469
can take account for... For Boots. Because Boots

00:53:35.469 --> 00:53:38.489
went to go trade with this guy for fun. Boots

00:53:38.489 --> 00:53:40.289
could have easily just pieced him apart from

00:53:40.289 --> 00:53:42.469
distance and it would have looked just as flashy.

00:53:43.829 --> 00:53:49.710
He went to war for fun with a guy who has no

00:53:49.710 --> 00:53:57.670
ability to hit him. But it's like a mule. And

00:53:57.670 --> 00:54:02.139
that's how I think. Like, I will say, Virgil

00:54:02.139 --> 00:54:04.940
has a better idea of how to place a shot, but

00:54:04.940 --> 00:54:08.480
Virgil cannot hit harder than Villa. It's just...

00:54:08.480 --> 00:54:15.280
It's just what it is. But that's more into the

00:54:15.280 --> 00:54:19.960
semantics of who wins and why. Yeah, we could

00:54:19.960 --> 00:54:22.179
talk about that shit all day. Yeah, when it happens.

00:54:22.639 --> 00:54:27.480
I need it to happen. If it happens. If it happens,

00:54:27.500 --> 00:54:29.750
it will. I have faith. I believe in the world.

00:54:29.750 --> 00:54:31.969
If anything is right... Damn, wait, hold on.

00:54:32.030 --> 00:54:34.949
That's a first. That's a first. Listen, if anything

00:54:34.949 --> 00:54:38.849
is right in the world, this is something that

00:54:38.849 --> 00:54:43.449
has to go right. Especially, because I will say,

00:54:43.570 --> 00:54:45.690
Turkey isn't your traditional promoter where

00:54:45.690 --> 00:54:47.849
he cares about marination. He plays with his

00:54:47.849 --> 00:54:51.070
action figures. These are the most fun action

00:54:51.070 --> 00:54:58.519
figures you can play with. Oh, man. We still

00:54:58.519 --> 00:55:02.940
have a major car to talk about. So we're going

00:55:02.940 --> 00:55:06.300
to have to leave it here for now. Oh, yeah. I

00:55:06.300 --> 00:55:10.780
get last words on Virgil's win over Ericsson

00:55:10.780 --> 00:55:15.420
Lubin. It's got to happen. It's Virgil has to

00:55:15.420 --> 00:55:18.400
happen. That was a shout out. Let's go, Virgil,

00:55:18.420 --> 00:55:24.769
baby. Let's go, Virgil. All right. Let's see.

00:55:24.829 --> 00:55:28.969
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Alright, we've got one preview. And that's...

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Ring four in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. Quite the

00:59:14.250 --> 00:59:21.210
card. We're going to stop at each one as we work

00:59:21.210 --> 00:59:23.469
our way up, rather than me just listing them

00:59:23.469 --> 00:59:26.090
off and then going back. So, Archer Betterbia

00:59:26.090 --> 00:59:30.050
versus Dion Nicholson. I don't know who Dion

00:59:30.050 --> 00:59:31.369
Nicholson is. Is that still on there? I don't

00:59:31.369 --> 00:59:34.650
think it's on there anymore. Is that cut? I think

00:59:34.650 --> 00:59:37.880
that's cut. Okay. Yeah, cut. Oh, yeah, better

00:59:37.880 --> 00:59:42.500
be a mistimed -a -cycler. Mistimed -a -cycler's

00:59:42.500 --> 00:59:46.500
crazy, by the way. That is something. Well, it's

00:59:46.500 --> 00:59:51.260
good. Like, listen, man. The amount of times

00:59:51.260 --> 00:59:53.920
that he pulls out in this fashion with, like,

00:59:53.920 --> 00:59:58.659
a mysterious reasoning. Like, you can kind of

00:59:58.659 --> 01:00:05.980
tell, oh, he mistimed -a -cycle. Like, I'm saying...

01:00:06.300 --> 01:00:08.880
I'm saying like one or two injuries checks out,

01:00:08.960 --> 01:00:11.619
right? Especially the one that caused that big

01:00:11.619 --> 01:00:17.420
delay where he took on McKalen. Legit injury.

01:00:17.559 --> 01:00:23.199
But when it's like short notice pullout, short

01:00:23.199 --> 01:00:27.539
turnaround, I can almost guarantee that it's

01:00:27.539 --> 01:00:31.699
a missed cycle. Oh, the undercard has changed

01:00:31.699 --> 01:00:38.500
quite a bit. Four fights that I'll just breeze

01:00:38.500 --> 01:00:41.719
through. Sultan Al -Muhammad versus Umesh Chavan.

01:00:42.960 --> 01:00:45.820
Sultan Al -Muhammad was on the... Yeah, he's

01:00:45.820 --> 01:00:49.860
the Saudi guy. Industry planned? Yes, he is a

01:00:49.860 --> 01:00:53.960
plan. He can scrap. Yeah, he was pretty good

01:00:53.960 --> 01:00:59.920
in his fight on the Bud Canelo card. Julio Porras

01:00:59.920 --> 01:01:06.719
Ruiz versus Pius Mpenda. So... That's a fight.

01:01:08.460 --> 01:01:11.599
Mohamed Alakel is another one that was on Bud

01:01:11.599 --> 01:01:18.079
Canelo versus Jiaming Li. I'll make breakfast

01:01:18.079 --> 01:01:24.840
during that fight. Vito Melnicki versus Samuel

01:01:24.840 --> 01:01:28.219
Nomoma. I'll eat my breakfast during that fight.

01:01:30.760 --> 01:01:34.559
Is Vito still at it? Yeah, he's a top ranked

01:01:34.559 --> 01:01:42.289
guy now. Oh, Jesus. And Nemoa's... 21 -0 from

01:01:42.289 --> 01:01:46.449
Nigeria. Nigeria, but fights out of Italy, yeah.

01:01:46.829 --> 01:01:55.010
So that's cool. So, yeah, that's like the undercard

01:01:55.010 --> 01:01:58.550
stuff that, like, yeah, like Saul said, make

01:01:58.550 --> 01:02:01.489
your breakfast, get yourself some coffee or something.

01:02:02.670 --> 01:02:04.090
Because this most definitely is going to be in

01:02:04.090 --> 01:02:06.570
the damn morning. I'll tell you that. Yeah, it'll

01:02:06.570 --> 01:02:13.789
be starting around like 11 at the latest. So

01:02:13.789 --> 01:02:17.610
into the part that fucking matters. He's not

01:02:17.610 --> 01:02:21.050
on it anymore either. Brian Norman Jr. vs. Devin

01:02:21.050 --> 01:02:25.690
Haney. WBL welterweight title. Whoa! No, no,

01:02:25.710 --> 01:02:28.530
that is on it. Sorry, I was talking about Subaru

01:02:28.530 --> 01:02:32.260
Matias. He's not on it anymore. I don't see him

01:02:32.260 --> 01:02:39.380
on it. Yeah. We're skipping over two other fights,

01:02:39.440 --> 01:02:42.179
though. I'm just starting here. That's all. Oh,

01:02:42.179 --> 01:02:43.940
okay. Okay. I was about to say, dude, come on.

01:02:44.199 --> 01:02:46.480
Come on, man. Don't just backbend like that.

01:02:46.639 --> 01:02:50.380
No, hell no. I've just started here. This is

01:02:50.380 --> 01:02:52.659
the order I have them on. Like, no particular

01:02:52.659 --> 01:02:56.280
order. I just kind of have them listed here.

01:02:58.019 --> 01:03:01.260
So, Brian Norman versus Devin Haney. I had said

01:03:01.260 --> 01:03:04.659
to Shanada I would like for Brian Norman to Sasaki,

01:03:04.800 --> 01:03:08.820
Devin Haney. Oh, Jesus. Brian Norman, for the

01:03:08.820 --> 01:03:13.340
love of God. Devin has, I will say with absolute

01:03:13.340 --> 01:03:16.340
confidence, it has to be a total tactical breakdown

01:03:16.340 --> 01:03:19.059
to not just go at Haney with no worry about what

01:03:19.059 --> 01:03:24.639
comes back. Yeah, you really have to forget who

01:03:24.639 --> 01:03:27.500
the fuck you're standing in front of. Yeah, because

01:03:27.500 --> 01:03:33.869
there is no way. That at 147, Haney is garnering

01:03:33.869 --> 01:03:40.030
respect with his punches. From anybody. So, Brian

01:03:40.030 --> 01:03:43.789
Norman, who has a proven chin, should absolutely

01:03:43.789 --> 01:03:49.710
come at him. Well, proven. He wasn't knocked

01:03:49.710 --> 01:03:52.969
down. I'm going to tell you this right now, okay?

01:03:53.210 --> 01:03:56.059
I got a lot riding on this fight. Leo knows ever

01:03:56.059 --> 01:03:58.800
since I've been on this pod, I've been riding

01:03:58.800 --> 01:04:03.599
Brian Norman Jr. I've been riding him high. That's

01:04:03.599 --> 01:04:04.980
kind of what got me onto this. I think that's

01:04:04.980 --> 01:04:06.400
kind of what got me onto this pod too. We had

01:04:06.400 --> 01:04:09.340
a conversation about Brian Norman Jr. Yeah, we

01:04:09.340 --> 01:04:13.579
did. So I got a lot of reputation back in this

01:04:13.579 --> 01:04:15.639
because if Brian Norman Jr. wins, oh my God,

01:04:15.800 --> 01:04:20.059
his stock skyrockets. And the thing is that he

01:04:20.059 --> 01:04:23.329
needs to... Not just beat Haney. He needs to

01:04:23.329 --> 01:04:25.670
knock him out. Because I truly believe they're

01:04:25.670 --> 01:04:28.090
going to pull some fuck shit. The refs are going

01:04:28.090 --> 01:04:29.769
to pull some fuck shit. They're already planning

01:04:29.769 --> 01:04:34.150
a Haney and Benavidez doubleheader again. Right?

01:04:34.190 --> 01:04:37.269
You guys seen that? Yes. Yeah. That's some bullshit.

01:04:37.650 --> 01:04:40.630
And Norman's the champion. He's the more exciting

01:04:40.630 --> 01:04:44.030
guy. He needs to knock him out. And honestly,

01:04:44.210 --> 01:04:47.369
I see Brian Norman Jr. winning the fight. I understand

01:04:47.369 --> 01:04:50.570
he's not the better boxer, but he's underrated.

01:04:51.159 --> 01:04:53.619
with his skills. A lot of people, I know a lot

01:04:53.619 --> 01:04:54.739
of people are saying he's just going off his

01:04:54.739 --> 01:04:56.579
power, you know, that he's going to knock him

01:04:56.579 --> 01:04:58.860
out. But honestly, I think that Brian Roman Jr.

01:04:58.980 --> 01:05:02.179
is effective moving in on the inside, getting

01:05:02.179 --> 01:05:05.519
in the inside, you know. The only problem I see

01:05:05.519 --> 01:05:07.699
with Brian is he keeps his head on center line.

01:05:08.579 --> 01:05:10.539
But I feel like he's going to fix that, this

01:05:10.539 --> 01:05:14.960
fight. I feel like if he's a really, really good

01:05:14.960 --> 01:05:17.739
boxer, as I think he is, he's going to fix it.

01:05:18.159 --> 01:05:22.570
He's going to improve on that. Adjust. I also

01:05:22.570 --> 01:05:26.789
can see a Devin Haney win, but at the same time,

01:05:26.809 --> 01:05:30.269
I really don't want that. I don't think anybody

01:05:30.269 --> 01:05:35.969
wants that. Unless you're a Haney stan. And the

01:05:35.969 --> 01:05:38.869
Haney acts are coming back. They're coming back

01:05:38.869 --> 01:05:41.909
to root for their boy one last time. One last

01:05:41.909 --> 01:05:45.409
hurrah if he loses. They want him to win this

01:05:45.409 --> 01:05:50.219
fight. There's a couple Haney acts there. What

01:05:50.219 --> 01:05:52.179
do you guys feel? How do you guys feel? Because

01:05:52.179 --> 01:05:54.159
I'm thinking of Brian. I'm riding with Brian

01:05:54.159 --> 01:05:56.280
Norman Jr., man. I'm riding with Brian Norman.

01:05:56.519 --> 01:05:59.739
It's like he's genuinely like, listen, I will

01:05:59.739 --> 01:06:02.639
say, have you guys seen the clip of his face

01:06:02.639 --> 01:06:04.619
-off with Devin Haney where Devin Haney starts

01:06:04.619 --> 01:06:07.619
trying to plagiarize Floyd? Oh, yeah, that shit

01:06:07.619 --> 01:06:09.619
was crazy. And Brian immediately calls him out

01:06:09.619 --> 01:06:13.179
on it. He cuts a good promo, I will say. Hey,

01:06:13.219 --> 01:06:18.360
you ever had a MCL broke? What did he say, MCL

01:06:18.360 --> 01:06:21.969
tear? Brian cuts a good promo. Like, genuinely,

01:06:22.050 --> 01:06:24.929
I want to see him more. He talks good shit. That's

01:06:24.929 --> 01:06:27.530
another thing, too. He's a respectful shit talker.

01:06:27.590 --> 01:06:29.630
Like, I think him and Roley would be hilarious.

01:06:30.210 --> 01:06:35.250
All things considered. Yeah. I think Brian...

01:06:35.250 --> 01:06:38.329
I need Brian to be Haney. I need Brian to be

01:06:38.329 --> 01:06:42.289
Roley. I really want Haney to go away. That's

01:06:42.289 --> 01:06:45.070
the main thing. You just want him fucking gone,

01:06:45.130 --> 01:06:49.800
dude. I don't want to see this guy anymore. I

01:06:49.800 --> 01:06:53.940
think I still... If it makes it to the decision,

01:06:54.039 --> 01:06:56.500
I think they're going to give it to Haney. Well,

01:06:56.539 --> 01:06:58.219
if it makes it to the decision, Brian Norman

01:06:58.219 --> 01:07:05.039
is an idiot. Well... There's no way. It should

01:07:05.039 --> 01:07:07.639
not happen. If Brian Norman shows up in shape

01:07:07.639 --> 01:07:10.619
and doesn't have a complete tactical breakdown,

01:07:10.980 --> 01:07:16.000
where he like... Or maybe he's made of paper.

01:07:16.179 --> 01:07:18.699
Who knows? Maybe I'm wrong and everyone he's

01:07:18.699 --> 01:07:24.739
fought just punches like a pussy. But... There's

01:07:24.739 --> 01:07:29.300
no... In a reasonable world where Bryan fights

01:07:29.300 --> 01:07:35.940
how he should, it should... It should really

01:07:35.940 --> 01:07:40.599
be one -way traffic. The thing is that I feel

01:07:40.599 --> 01:07:44.010
like Bryan Norman Jr. Bryan's... Proven to have

01:07:44.010 --> 01:07:47.969
heart. I mean, that fight with Giovanni Santillan,

01:07:48.010 --> 01:07:50.250
he was brought in there to lose. Oh, yeah. They

01:07:50.250 --> 01:07:54.050
didn't believe him. And he pummeled Giovanni.

01:07:54.730 --> 01:07:57.789
Yeah. Against Cuevas. Again, not the best opponent,

01:07:57.889 --> 01:08:00.690
but he beat the shit out of him. Same with Sasaki.

01:08:00.849 --> 01:08:03.809
He knocked out a month of memory out of that

01:08:03.809 --> 01:08:07.489
guy. That boy did not remember shit. I guess.

01:08:07.550 --> 01:08:10.090
It's sad. It's not like Sasaki's any slouch with

01:08:10.090 --> 01:08:12.750
the weight class either. Yeah, I think he was

01:08:12.750 --> 01:08:15.250
ranked pretty highly in the division too. Yeah.

01:08:16.029 --> 01:08:18.710
Which it does mean something. That is something

01:08:18.710 --> 01:08:23.050
to say. I know people say, who's Sasaki? Or Sasaki

01:08:23.050 --> 01:08:27.189
already lost to the guy Gary Antoine Russell's

01:08:27.189 --> 01:08:31.289
fighting. Yeah, but that was a 140. Yeah, that

01:08:31.289 --> 01:08:34.229
was a 140. And again, he was ranked highly in

01:08:34.229 --> 01:08:36.529
the division. Say what you want, but he was still

01:08:36.529 --> 01:08:40.890
ranked pretty highly. Yeah. I want to see Brian

01:08:40.890 --> 01:08:43.989
Norman Jr. knock out Devin Haney. I'm calling

01:08:43.989 --> 01:08:45.250
it right now. I think he's going to knock him

01:08:45.250 --> 01:08:47.770
out. But if not, they're going to give it to

01:08:47.770 --> 01:08:50.630
Haney. Yeah, which will be completely deserved

01:08:50.630 --> 01:08:54.130
at that point. Man, I just really want to say,

01:08:54.189 --> 01:08:56.989
fuck Turkey. I want him to lose his, like he's

01:08:56.989 --> 01:09:00.489
planning ahead already. Like, no, spoil the fucking

01:09:00.489 --> 01:09:03.170
party. Please, Brian Norman, spoil the party.

01:09:03.989 --> 01:09:07.250
Well, I could already see the bullshit. Can you

01:09:07.250 --> 01:09:09.899
guys see that? Ryan's going to be fighting for

01:09:09.899 --> 01:09:11.220
a title. I don't even think we mentioned this,

01:09:11.260 --> 01:09:14.800
but Ryan could be fighting Barrios. You know?

01:09:15.260 --> 01:09:17.260
And if he fights Barrios, he could get it. I

01:09:17.260 --> 01:09:20.539
think he might win. He gets a belt. He gets a

01:09:20.539 --> 01:09:23.180
strap. And then you have Devin Haney who fights

01:09:23.180 --> 01:09:25.680
Ryan Norman Jr. If he wins, then they can do

01:09:25.680 --> 01:09:29.220
a unification fight in Riyadh. Big money. You

01:09:29.220 --> 01:09:33.640
know? I don't know. I see that happening. I see

01:09:33.640 --> 01:09:35.680
that happening, but I can see that in Turkey's

01:09:35.680 --> 01:09:39.250
head. the grinds, the gears grinding, you know?

01:09:39.390 --> 01:09:42.829
Yeah. In that fucking, fucking ass head. Again,

01:09:42.930 --> 01:09:45.289
he treats these guys like they're action figures

01:09:45.289 --> 01:09:48.229
and not like it's a real, real athletes in a

01:09:48.229 --> 01:09:53.729
real sport. Yeah. And, uh, like, again, a lot

01:09:53.729 --> 01:09:56.210
of fans see it as positives because they don't

01:09:56.210 --> 01:09:58.890
see it as a, again, they still see it as like

01:09:58.890 --> 01:10:03.470
action figures. But, um, all of this stuff, like

01:10:03.470 --> 01:10:05.590
there's real people getting affected by, uh,

01:10:07.319 --> 01:10:10.420
Like, you're the promoter of the event going

01:10:10.420 --> 01:10:12.979
like, hey, I want this guy to win so I can make

01:10:12.979 --> 01:10:19.060
this fight. At that point, nobody wins. Yeah.

01:10:21.960 --> 01:10:28.060
Moving up. Bam Rodriguez, the WBC and WBO super

01:10:28.060 --> 01:10:33.079
flyweight champ versus Fernando Martinez, WBA

01:10:33.079 --> 01:10:38.819
champ. Big unification, triple crown. Bam beats

01:10:38.819 --> 01:10:42.640
his ass, and how quickly does he do this? Just

01:10:42.640 --> 01:10:47.380
to show my bias already. Bam beats his ass. Well,

01:10:47.880 --> 01:10:50.180
I think he beats his ass, but at the same time,

01:10:50.279 --> 01:10:52.699
Bam might just take an ass beating himself too.

01:10:53.779 --> 01:10:56.939
In the process. As much as I love Bam, it's going

01:10:56.939 --> 01:11:00.260
to be a hard fight. This is a guy who beat Kazudo

01:11:00.260 --> 01:11:08.609
Ioka twice. The guy he's fighting is not a slouch.

01:11:08.630 --> 01:11:13.470
He's good. I think if Bam really is that cut

01:11:13.470 --> 01:11:16.090
above, he's going to beat his ass. And it's not

01:11:16.090 --> 01:11:19.550
going to be competitive. If he really is a cut

01:11:19.550 --> 01:11:24.829
above. I think this fight is going to prove to

01:11:24.829 --> 01:11:29.050
everybody fighter that Bam is. Good or bad. Good

01:11:29.050 --> 01:11:33.109
or bad, though. Both. Because, again, he could

01:11:33.109 --> 01:11:35.489
be a cut above and... you know, knock him out

01:11:35.489 --> 01:11:39.550
or he can even lose by knockout. He's already

01:11:39.550 --> 01:11:42.710
shown that he can be put on the canvas. Yeah,

01:11:42.710 --> 01:11:45.609
he can be put down. Yeah. So we'll see what Bam's

01:11:45.609 --> 01:11:48.489
made of. But I think that this is finally going

01:11:48.489 --> 01:11:52.029
to prove to everybody on the... arguably one

01:11:52.029 --> 01:11:55.850
of the biggest stages in the world that he is

01:11:55.850 --> 01:12:00.789
one tough -ass motherfucker. One badass motherfucker.

01:12:04.150 --> 01:12:07.930
Man, he's so unassuming, too. I saw him after

01:12:07.930 --> 01:12:11.729
the Sonny Edwards fight. I saw him at a restaurant

01:12:11.729 --> 01:12:15.109
right outside the arena. Robert Garcia was there.

01:12:15.149 --> 01:12:17.350
They were all getting a table or whatever. I

01:12:17.350 --> 01:12:21.970
saw him, and he looks like a teenager. If he

01:12:21.970 --> 01:12:24.189
didn't have tattoos on his face, you wouldn't

01:12:24.189 --> 01:12:26.930
notice. Yeah. You wouldn't notice. You wouldn't

01:12:26.930 --> 01:12:29.470
give him a second look just because, like, oh,

01:12:29.510 --> 01:12:33.350
there's like a... 17 -year -old kid or something.

01:12:35.670 --> 01:12:38.609
You would have to card him. Yeah, I think you

01:12:38.609 --> 01:12:43.390
would, because he's a bit of a babyface. But,

01:12:43.390 --> 01:12:47.489
man, he's a beast once he gets in the ring. I

01:12:47.489 --> 01:12:51.909
feel that Martinez is a little too flat -footed,

01:12:51.930 --> 01:12:54.750
and that's going to be a bit of a problem for

01:12:54.750 --> 01:12:57.029
him, because Rodriguez is really fleet. Like,

01:12:57.050 --> 01:13:02.579
he's fleet. He can move around really quickly.

01:13:02.739 --> 01:13:09.399
He's really agile. And he's fast. Yes. Fast.

01:13:09.399 --> 01:13:13.880
Fast hands. I mean... We'll see what happens.

01:13:19.600 --> 01:13:33.529
Absolutely. There's no chance here for... Well,

01:13:33.529 --> 01:13:37.189
Lin will be insufferable if Noakes wins. Oh,

01:13:37.189 --> 01:13:43.750
my God. Noakes' best win is against Ivan Mendy.

01:13:46.409 --> 01:13:49.270
Look, I know we make fun of Noakes, and I agree

01:13:49.270 --> 01:13:53.130
that it is going to be a shutout. But the thing

01:13:53.130 --> 01:13:57.869
is that, at the same time, Mason has been put

01:13:57.869 --> 01:14:04.149
down by... some random ball -headed uh fucking

01:14:04.149 --> 01:14:08.109
what's his name fucking trevor gta looking ass

01:14:08.109 --> 01:14:12.369
uh johan vasquez yeah johan vasquez got put down

01:14:12.369 --> 01:14:14.750
in my hand abdullah also put him away in the

01:14:14.750 --> 01:14:17.409
next round exactly i understand that but the

01:14:17.409 --> 01:14:20.510
thing is that flash knocks happen like i'm not

01:14:20.510 --> 01:14:23.869
gonna unless it was like if it if it became like

01:14:23.869 --> 01:14:27.529
uh drawn out like he had to recover and everything

01:14:28.800 --> 01:14:33.720
that I'd give you a bit more leeway here, but

01:14:33.720 --> 01:14:37.159
like... What it was, it was just one knockdown.

01:14:38.600 --> 01:14:42.920
It was a flash. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I'll give you

01:14:42.920 --> 01:14:46.100
that. Because I'm not trying to question Abdul

01:14:46.100 --> 01:14:47.939
Mason. I still think he's going to win, but I

01:14:47.939 --> 01:14:50.060
mean, if Sam Noakes really does have power, he

01:14:50.060 --> 01:14:52.579
can have a puncher's chance. Absolutely. He really

01:14:52.579 --> 01:14:55.619
does. I feel like he's going to wilt. He will

01:14:55.619 --> 01:14:58.300
wilt under me. Abdullah Mason also can punch.

01:14:59.020 --> 01:15:01.659
Oh, yeah, 100%. And he's gone better than the

01:15:01.659 --> 01:15:04.279
fight, 100%. Yeah, I will say that, like, it's

01:15:04.279 --> 01:15:06.359
likely that it's probably a little competitive

01:15:06.359 --> 01:15:10.520
and then Noakes just wilts. Yeah. No, I agree.

01:15:10.659 --> 01:15:14.520
I agree. I'm just saying that as much as we all

01:15:14.520 --> 01:15:16.960
say that Abdullah Mason is going to beat the

01:15:16.960 --> 01:15:19.640
shit out of Noakes, Noakes still has a slight,

01:15:19.779 --> 01:15:24.069
slight chance. Yeah. Not to be taken lightly

01:15:24.069 --> 01:15:28.590
or discredited. Exactly. He's not going to win,

01:15:28.670 --> 01:15:32.689
but he's also going to be a good win. I mean,

01:15:32.710 --> 01:15:35.449
that fight with Johan Vasquez did prove to everybody

01:15:35.449 --> 01:15:38.170
that, yeah, he can get knocked down, but that

01:15:38.170 --> 01:15:40.989
he's going to get back up and punish you. Oh,

01:15:40.989 --> 01:15:44.829
yeah. So there's that. He ain't going down without

01:15:44.829 --> 01:15:53.649
a fight. Will he go down without a fight? David

01:15:53.649 --> 01:15:57.109
Benavidez versus Anthony Yard. Did we mention

01:15:57.109 --> 01:15:58.829
the Matias fight or is that one not happening

01:15:58.829 --> 01:16:00.609
anymore? That one's not on the bill anymore.

01:16:00.789 --> 01:16:07.949
At least not that I'm seeing. Let's see. He's

01:16:07.949 --> 01:16:10.329
fighting. It's just a stupid double feature that

01:16:10.329 --> 01:16:15.430
they do. What? It's a separate card. He's the

01:16:15.430 --> 01:16:22.289
main event on the prelim first feature. That

01:16:22.289 --> 01:16:26.029
is incredibly stupid. It's stupid, but it's stupid.

01:16:26.210 --> 01:16:28.529
So, like, they put Matias on the prelims. Fuck

01:16:28.529 --> 01:16:30.970
that. We're talking about him now. Super Matias

01:16:30.970 --> 01:16:33.649
versus Dalton Smith. WBC super lightweight title

01:16:33.649 --> 01:16:36.850
on the line. Unless Matias is completely washed,

01:16:37.130 --> 01:16:39.350
Dalton Smith better have a trainer willing to

01:16:39.350 --> 01:16:42.090
throw in the towel. Wait, Matias Smith is in

01:16:42.090 --> 01:16:44.369
this fight? It's on this card? It's on a different

01:16:44.369 --> 01:16:49.090
card. It's the same venue, same day, but it's,

01:16:49.130 --> 01:16:53.869
like, the free non -pay -per -view. Oh. So what

01:16:53.869 --> 01:16:59.029
the fuck? It's like the prologue. It's stupid.

01:16:59.210 --> 01:17:02.130
They do this every time where they only want

01:17:02.130 --> 01:17:07.310
five fights or whatever. The fuck? The disrespect.

01:17:07.770 --> 01:17:12.989
Point being, Matias, again, unless Matias is

01:17:12.989 --> 01:17:21.000
completely and utterly washed, I really... Smith

01:17:21.000 --> 01:17:27.260
should have a towel thrower ready. Well, again,

01:17:27.359 --> 01:17:29.260
Matias did lose to Liam Parra. I was going to

01:17:29.260 --> 01:17:34.220
say exactly that. He's also 33. He might be completely

01:17:34.220 --> 01:17:39.520
washed. Yeah, his style doesn't age very well

01:17:39.520 --> 01:17:43.100
just because he takes a lot of punches to get

01:17:43.100 --> 01:17:45.399
himself into position. We clown on Australians,

01:17:45.619 --> 01:17:50.960
but it's not like Parra's a complete scrub. Well,

01:17:50.960 --> 01:17:53.680
they lost to Hitchens. Hitchens is not bad, but

01:17:53.680 --> 01:17:55.560
at the same time. Hitchens isn't a complete scrub.

01:17:55.699 --> 01:17:58.579
I'm just going to say, like, Matias can certainly

01:17:58.579 --> 01:18:05.260
be exploited technically. I don't think Dalton

01:18:05.260 --> 01:18:07.579
Smith is a guy that can exploit him technically

01:18:07.579 --> 01:18:15.319
without getting it back. Unless Matias starts

01:18:15.319 --> 01:18:22.600
to age poorly. Yeah. Lin is going to be insufferable

01:18:22.600 --> 01:18:27.920
if Dalton Smith wins. Yeah. Lin treats it like

01:18:27.920 --> 01:18:31.340
we ride for these guys when it's like, dude.

01:18:33.340 --> 01:18:35.500
Well, actually, I'm riding for some of these

01:18:35.500 --> 01:18:38.479
guys. I do ride for Abdullah Mason. I'm riding

01:18:38.479 --> 01:18:40.500
for Abdullah Mason, but I'm saying with Matias,

01:18:40.600 --> 01:18:43.180
I'm like, yeah, no, he's on the wrong end of

01:18:43.180 --> 01:18:46.760
30. He's definitely got a lot of miles on the

01:18:46.760 --> 01:18:52.500
clock, and he's got some definite flaws. I still

01:18:52.500 --> 01:18:56.979
want him to win. Yeah. I'm not surprised if he

01:18:56.979 --> 01:19:02.159
loses, but I also don't think Dalton Smith is

01:19:02.159 --> 01:19:07.840
the guy to do it. Yeah, he's already lost a couple

01:19:07.840 --> 01:19:16.039
times. Anything more for Matias Smith? Nope.

01:19:16.199 --> 01:19:21.359
All right. Benavidez Yard. WBC light heavyweight

01:19:21.359 --> 01:19:28.579
title on the line. Yard comes to rumble. Yard

01:19:28.579 --> 01:19:33.880
has got to be the only guy to get stopped on

01:19:33.880 --> 01:19:37.439
every step up he takes while looking competitive.

01:19:39.439 --> 01:19:41.920
I got to say that some people are also making

01:19:41.920 --> 01:19:43.539
this fight seem pretty easy and dope looking

01:19:43.539 --> 01:19:46.399
Yard. Maybe not Benavidez himself, but I feel

01:19:46.399 --> 01:19:48.500
like there's a lot of people in our community.

01:19:49.229 --> 01:19:51.069
are not looking at this fight how it should be.

01:19:51.149 --> 01:19:53.989
It is going to be a pretty hard fight for Benavidez,

01:19:54.069 --> 01:19:55.829
I think. Oh, it's going to be a shootout. I'm

01:19:55.829 --> 01:20:00.149
just saying. Yeah. Benavidez has that extra gear

01:20:00.149 --> 01:20:06.689
to win. Yeah, he's got levels. Anthony Yard is

01:20:06.689 --> 01:20:11.029
one -dimensional -ish. You saw it. Benavidez

01:20:11.029 --> 01:20:14.489
somehow manages to amp it up as the fight goes

01:20:14.489 --> 01:20:18.079
on, as you saw with Morel. And Andrade and Caleb

01:20:18.079 --> 01:20:21.439
Plant were like, these guys are also competitive

01:20:21.439 --> 01:20:26.119
with him. And then he basically just, like, the

01:20:26.119 --> 01:20:31.079
momentum just piled up. Another thing I will

01:20:31.079 --> 01:20:33.500
say about Yard, Yard has more miles on the clock,

01:20:33.579 --> 01:20:41.140
and he's 34. And he's 34. He's 34, and he has

01:20:41.140 --> 01:20:43.779
more miles on the clock. He's been stopped twice

01:20:43.779 --> 01:20:48.149
by top guys. Betterbiev did totally put a pasting

01:20:48.149 --> 01:20:53.550
on him. For 8 rounds. 8 rounds of punishment

01:20:53.550 --> 01:20:57.390
for Betterbiev is career changing on a good day.

01:20:57.710 --> 01:21:02.630
11 rounds of beatings from a good form Sergey

01:21:02.630 --> 01:21:10.949
Kovalev. Even if he was competitive. That's 11

01:21:10.949 --> 01:21:14.970
rounds of fucking shellacking. It's the 11 rounds

01:21:14.970 --> 01:21:17.890
of a good Sergey Kovalev jabbing your face in.

01:21:19.649 --> 01:21:22.829
And eight rounds of being in the pocket with

01:21:22.829 --> 01:21:27.149
Beterbiev. And he's 34 and has an athletic style.

01:21:29.569 --> 01:21:32.029
We'll see what happens. It'll be a good shootout.

01:21:33.130 --> 01:21:35.470
I think it'll be a good shootout, but I think

01:21:35.470 --> 01:21:37.930
the wheels are going to come off sooner rather

01:21:37.930 --> 01:21:41.729
than later and Benavidez will take over. Yeah.

01:21:43.120 --> 01:21:45.279
It's probably going to be his first stoppage

01:21:45.279 --> 01:21:51.340
at 175. I don't think so. I really don't think

01:21:51.340 --> 01:21:56.159
so. The wheels are going to fall off is what

01:21:56.159 --> 01:21:58.119
I feel. If the wheels don't fall off, credit

01:21:58.119 --> 01:22:02.260
to Yard. But in fights where he's been fresher

01:22:02.260 --> 01:22:06.239
and hasn't taken the punishment that he has up

01:22:06.239 --> 01:22:12.979
to now, the wheels have come off. So there's

01:22:12.979 --> 01:22:17.119
no reason that a higher tempo guy at a point

01:22:17.119 --> 01:22:21.699
in his career where he's not as fresh, there's

01:22:21.699 --> 01:22:23.560
no reason for the wheels not to come off here

01:22:23.560 --> 01:22:27.819
unless maybe Benavidez isn't as scary at 175.

01:22:29.819 --> 01:22:32.420
I don't think, not necessarily not as scary,

01:22:32.500 --> 01:22:36.479
but I don't think he has that same power. He

01:22:36.479 --> 01:22:39.520
had a 168? It's tough to gauge. He's been an

01:22:39.520 --> 01:22:41.420
accumulation guy his entire career. Yeah, it's

01:22:41.420 --> 01:22:44.819
really tough to gauge. Yeah, so when you go up...

01:22:44.819 --> 01:22:47.979
Kvostik is defensively minded, and Morel apparently

01:22:47.979 --> 01:22:51.659
is just made of... You could smash a 2x4 over

01:22:51.659 --> 01:22:54.680
his head. And he'll smile. Well, I mean, he got...

01:22:54.680 --> 01:22:57.119
That last fight he was in, though... Kataev was

01:22:57.119 --> 01:23:02.039
on the entire pharmacy. I mean, yeah, but...

01:23:02.039 --> 01:23:03.880
Like I was gonna say, they had Kataev on the

01:23:03.880 --> 01:23:10.859
super soldier serum. I'm just saying that Morel

01:23:10.859 --> 01:23:14.180
and then Hot Rod, too. Morel and Hot Rod. Oh,

01:23:14.359 --> 01:23:17.659
Hot Rod was on his bike, man. He stunk it out.

01:23:19.500 --> 01:23:21.420
I'm not saying he put up a good fight, but what

01:23:21.420 --> 01:23:25.739
I'm saying is like... What? No, like, that's

01:23:25.739 --> 01:23:27.260
a separate discussion, though. Like, I'm saying,

01:23:27.340 --> 01:23:31.180
like, Benavidez's opponents at 175 have been

01:23:31.180 --> 01:23:33.699
durable, defensively -minded guys, especially

01:23:33.699 --> 01:23:38.340
Gvozdik. was way more on his bike against Benavidez

01:23:38.340 --> 01:23:44.220
than he was with Beterbiev. Yeah. That one was

01:23:44.220 --> 01:23:48.359
a good win, by the way. Yeah. And Morel, he put

01:23:48.359 --> 01:23:54.619
hands on Morel. Morel didn't go away. Yeah. That's

01:23:54.619 --> 01:23:59.020
different. So I feel like Yard will really see

01:23:59.020 --> 01:24:03.539
whether he has that real stopping power. Or if

01:24:03.539 --> 01:24:07.000
he's going to be a... He's going to hurt a guy,

01:24:07.039 --> 01:24:10.319
but he's not going to put him away. What we're

01:24:10.319 --> 01:24:12.800
kind of saying is that it's like a Virgil Lubin

01:24:12.800 --> 01:24:16.739
type of situation. Yeah. Where the guy that's

01:24:16.739 --> 01:24:19.699
been knocked out twice, if he doesn't knock him

01:24:19.699 --> 01:24:21.260
out, that kind of shows that maybe he doesn't

01:24:21.260 --> 01:24:24.159
have as much power as he once had. As he once

01:24:24.159 --> 01:24:31.569
had. A little weight class. Or say. Yeah, like

01:24:31.569 --> 01:24:35.930
he needs a 15 -round fight instead of a 12 -er.

01:24:37.029 --> 01:24:38.430
Yeah, I think that's the perfect way to put it.

01:24:38.489 --> 01:24:41.350
He seems like a 15 -round fighter. Oh, yeah.

01:24:46.529 --> 01:24:50.369
Oh, man. That is all we got on the docket, boys.

01:24:55.609 --> 01:25:05.960
Any last words for Ring 4? I really hope the

01:25:05.960 --> 01:25:08.939
British guys don't win and they need Devin Haney

01:25:08.939 --> 01:25:16.659
gone. I hope... I hate Turkey, but damn, it's

01:25:16.659 --> 01:25:22.859
a good -ass card. It's a good card that's trapped

01:25:22.859 --> 01:25:26.579
on the zone. Yeah. You'd think at this point

01:25:26.579 --> 01:25:28.960
Turkey would just pay a TV broadcaster to air

01:25:28.960 --> 01:25:32.439
this stuff. Well, they would probably pay Sky

01:25:32.439 --> 01:25:37.020
Sports or some shit. Listen, man. People actually

01:25:37.020 --> 01:25:40.739
watch Sky Sports in the UK. But it's an American

01:25:40.739 --> 01:25:44.520
card. Yeah, no, but I'm saying if Turkey really

01:25:44.520 --> 01:25:48.340
wanted, he could probably cut a TV deal with

01:25:48.340 --> 01:25:50.920
the infinite money he's throwing at this stuff.

01:25:53.199 --> 01:25:55.680
He could put it at fucking 8 o 'clock at night

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form. Call him the rant man. What do you got

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in the shoot? Most recent was Ennis Ortiz. You

01:29:25.039 --> 01:29:30.920
got anything else coming up? Ah, shit. We'll

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see what happens. Usually I'm trying to get into

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a rhythm of reacting to the stuff on the weekend.

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Okay. We'll see what happens on the weekend,

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and you'll probably see it right up. Saul, you

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got anything coming up? Coming up? I'm still

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finishing up that middleweight piece from the

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time of this recording. I might have something

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else coming up. I'm planning another one. I was

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going to do a piece on Virgil, but maybe kind

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of wait on that one. Still let Josh's marinate.

01:30:06.100 --> 01:30:09.060
I was also thinking of doing a bit, depending

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on what's going to happen in this fight, I'll

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do a piece on Brian Norman Jr. or Devin Haney.

01:30:16.520 --> 01:30:18.979
All right. Again, like what Frost said, what

01:30:18.979 --> 01:30:21.000
Josh said, that really depends on these outcomes.

01:30:21.699 --> 01:30:25.399
Yeah. Cool. So we got stuff coming down the pipe.

01:30:27.470 --> 01:30:31.130
With all that out of the way, parting words.

01:30:33.770 --> 01:30:37.329
Robot's good. I've got to say, I've got something

01:30:37.329 --> 01:30:41.149
to say. Brian Norman Jr., I've got a lot riding

01:30:41.149 --> 01:30:44.449
on you. Bam's already proven himself, but Brian,

01:30:44.569 --> 01:30:51.529
I have a lot of reputation on this guy. I need

01:30:51.529 --> 01:30:55.310
him to win. After the amount of shit I've taken

01:30:55.310 --> 01:30:58.460
for supporting him over the... time I've been

01:30:58.460 --> 01:31:02.840
in this community with you guys, I need this

01:31:02.840 --> 01:31:05.760
win. It's a little selfish of me to say that,

01:31:05.840 --> 01:31:09.220
but I also want him to beat the shit out of Devin

01:31:09.220 --> 01:31:11.920
Haney. Don't we all? We need more fighters like

01:31:11.920 --> 01:31:15.420
Bryan in this sport. Amen. Talk shit and back

01:31:15.420 --> 01:31:22.579
it up. Let's see. By the time this comes out...

01:31:24.060 --> 01:31:28.500
Should be sometime around the 18th. Regardless,

01:31:28.699 --> 01:31:30.779
this is the last episode for the month of November.

01:31:31.479 --> 01:31:35.260
We'll be back in December. We got plenty of stuff

01:31:35.260 --> 01:31:38.460
to talk about. We'll have to recap this, The

01:31:38.460 --> 01:31:41.899
Ring 4. We'll have to talk about that. We're

01:31:41.899 --> 01:31:46.079
going to have some long podcasts coming up. We'll

01:31:46.079 --> 01:31:48.619
have a lot to talk about. We'll definitely be

01:31:48.619 --> 01:31:53.170
back. In a way, it's coming up. roach pitbull

01:31:53.170 --> 01:31:57.850
card so uh have no fear we're taking a little

01:31:57.850 --> 01:32:00.890
break but we will be back hope you guys have

01:32:00.890 --> 01:32:02.289
a good thanksgiving by the way if you're american

01:32:02.289 --> 01:32:05.710
if you're british gg easy