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Isaac. Let's get into some news. We mentioned
this, like this one got... Got in the lost tapes.
But Tim Zhu has a new trainer. He's moved to
a Cuban -style coach, Pedro Diaz, with Mundo
Boxing. I don't know. How are we feeling? You
think it's a good move? I think it's a good move
in general. Just leave that toxic environment
he was in. You know? They were kind of holding
him back. I think that with the new trainer is
a new beginning. And we might see another side
of Tim Zhu we haven't seen before. What happened
with Marcos Maidana when he went to Robert Garcia?
Do you think Pedro Diaz is that level of fighter,
though? No, I'm not saying that, but a new trainer
can still bring out something new in a fighter.
Fair, fair. When I talked about it with Shanada
on Boxing Before Dark, Her reaction was that
it's depending on what they tried to do with
Tim. But the idea was that if he's going to a,
like a Cuban style trainer, that they're going
to try to make him into something that he isn't
and that he could be trying to shore up his,
his deficiencies rather than playing to his strengths.
Yeah. Which I mean, Like, we've seen cases where
both work in regards to, like, adjusting trainers
and adjusting fighter development. But, frankly,
like, with how Tim has been movement -wise in
the past, I doubt that this is going to do anything
but neuter his offensive gifts. I mean, you never
know. He could just get tweaked here and there.
I mean, from what I've seen from Diaz, I mean,
he's not a bad trainer, but... No, he's not a
bad trainer, but I don't think he's what Tim
would need. No, yeah. But at the same time, it's
like, what other trainers would work? You know,
would we want to send him to bed, Davidson? You
know? No, nothing in the UK. Actually, Andy Lee
might not be... It isn't even a bad shout. Andy
Lee's not a bad shout. Andy Lee's not a bad shout.
Andy Lee would be a good candidate to train Tim
Zu. Cuban style is also different now. Like,
looking at... Yeah, aggressive, but it's still...
More mobility -based? Yeah, that's the part that
I'm like, I don't think Zu... Mobility is not
something you associate with Tim Zu. Yeah. But
you know what? You're right. The new era of Cubans
is kind of crazy. It's actually really new. Really
recent. You know, Morel and Osles. Yeah. Versus
guys like Lara, or early Lara. Early Lara and
Rigo. You know? Yeah. So, I mean, this new school
of Cubans is a lot more, I would say, exciting.
They bring a lot more power to the game. Oh,
for sure. So, you know, Tim Zoo being a guy that,
you can make fun of me for saying this, does
have some good power. At 154. I think a good
Cuban trainer that can utilize that properly,
it will be fucking amazing for him. Oh, speaking
of changes in the camp, AJ is bringing Usyk into
his. And so this one, again, talking with Shinata.
Rocky 3? Yeah, that's kind of what I was looking
at. You're bringing your nemesis into camp because
you lost the spark or whatever. There is no tomorrow.
Unless you're fucking facing Dubois or Andy Ruiz.
Oh my god. Because I was thinking AJ and Ruiz
too. that type of AJ is something that Usyk could
polish. True. But I don't think that style suits
AJ. That doesn't suit his strengths. Yeah. So
I'm not sure how this is going to play out. It
could be just a publicity stunt. I mean, yeah,
what can Usyk really do that no other trainer
has done? Usyk's probably just fucking around.
AJ was with RGBA. Ben Davidson. He had his best
goal with Robert Garcia. Yeah. And if that was
his best goal and he's with fucking Davidson
now, he's cooked. I don't know what was he going
to really train him on. Maybe he's a sparring
partner? I mean, yeah, he's a sparring partner,
but he's already fought him twice. I mean, yeah,
I understand you learn from him, but I mean...
What new word are you really going to learn from
Usyk? What I mean is by being trained, by working
with him. I don't think AJ is the most coachable
either at this point. Exactly. What is he going
to learn? Even if Usyk has the ability to adjust
him, he won't take to being told this. You need
to want to learn. Yeah, you have to be coachable.
You need to be a sponge. AJ's not a sponge, he's
a fucking rock. AJ's been... He's switched trainers,
but really he's just looking for a level up without
actually being coached. That's what it seems.
The day AJ's going to be coachable is the day
I fucking die, I'll tell you that. Who knows
what Usyk could do, because you're bringing your
nemesis into the camp, so it has to be a pretty
big change of mentality to want to do that. I
mean, yeah, but I just feel like that itself
is just a publicity stunt just to get people
excited. I feel like he's just watched too many
movies. Yeah, I mean, realistically, can Usyk
really... Best case scenario, what can you really
do with AJ? Like I said, Ruiz 2, that version
of AJ, that's about it. Even then, the best version
of AJ was the two rounds he listened to Robert
Garcia in his rematch with Usyk. That's probably
the best AJ has ever looked. For some reason,
he only did it for two rounds and then threw
Robert under the bus. Yeah. I really doubt it.
I mean, the thing is, I mean, we're saying this
about AJ versus what we're talking about with
Tim Zoo. The thing is that Tim Zoo, this is only
going to be his, I think, second trainer, I believe.
The pros. AJ's been with him. Yeah, AJ's been
with how many trainers? How many guys has AJ
been with? It was McCracken. Garcia, Derek James,
Davidson. I think he's at four. How can you go
with all these guys and not learn? That's an
AJ problem. That's not something you can learn
in training. It's something that he hasn't shown
he's going to want to change. Oh, moving to Xander
Zayas versus Abbas Baru. It's pretty much...
It's all but certain for January, late January,
it's going to be a unification of WBO and WBA
titles. God, I don't have a very high opinion
of Xander Zayas, but my opinion of him is still
higher than Abbas Baru. Abbas Baru, I mean, I
got to give him props for what he did last fight,
going in as the underdog against the only notable
MVP fighter. But the thing is that, like what
you said, he hasn't really shown much or proven
himself. And honestly, I'm going to be rooting
for Baru because this is not a Mexican bias.
I know he's not Mexican, and I'm not trying to
hate on a Puerto Rican. I mean, I think Xander
Zayas can be molded into a great fighter, but
Xander Zayas being in the top -ranked protection
program, he's not going to fight the other champions.
He's definitely not going to fight Virgil or
Boots. He's going to hold on to the title. Regardless
of the top -ranked affiliation, which you've
heard me express disdain for in the past, he's
just not going to... Again, you've seen top -ranked
guys who, at this point, in the present day,
who want to move out, do, and take those fights
that they need to, to show that they are what
they are. Spread their wings, right? Yeah, like,
I mean, you could even, as much as you want to
say Giovanni Santon, before he lost to Norman,
was a top -ranked protection guy, he fought Brian
Norman, Brian Norman won, and instead of holding
that shit hostage, he decided to go and fight
Haney and go to Japan and fight. And fight. And
Zayas is, as I fully agree with Saul here, he's
going to take that title from Beru because Beru
is not great. And he is going to hold it hostage
because both Boots and Virgil likely do beat
him. I mean, I agree with you. Don't make me
start about Virgil, but I'm going to tell you
this. I think Xander, the thing with Xander is
that I see potential in the guy. I was watching
his last fight, and you know what? If he can
learn, first of all, he needs a better trainer.
If he can get with someone that is in tune with
the style. and that can fine -tune him, I think
he would do great. I understand he doesn't have
a lot of power, but he's pretty athletic. And
he looks like he's got quick reflexes, or at
least decent reflexes. He's not bad. He's a world
champion, but he's also... WBO world champion.
He's a world champion. Again, Baru is the weaker
world champion at the division. Yeah, I agree.
I agree, but at the same time, I mean, we both
know he didn't fight a decent fighter for that.
No, Fandora gave it up. Yeah, but he fought Garcia
for it because it was vacant, right? Garcia Perez,
yeah. Which, I mean, like, the fact that I don't
mind. Like, for Zayas, it makes sense to be the
unified champ and to be able to... I guess, hold
that and dictate things on your term. But it's
going to be a rotten shame that, again, we have
two of the premier offensive talents in the sport
who are the best in the division who do not need
to... When they fight each other, they will not
be fighting for a title. This reminds me a bit
of Shane Mosley and Floyd Mayweather. When they
fought, that was a huge fight, but that wasn't
for a title. Obviously, it's not going to be
as big as that fight, but it comes to mind when
I think about it. I see the comparison. It's
a different case. Guys will hold on to their
titles for the Mayweather sweepstakes. Yeah.
It's different. It's different here. 154 is becoming
a bit of a money division because it's not unforeseen
that the Rollies and the Ryans move up to 154.
They ain't going to do that good up there, I'll
tell you that. 154 is a different problem. It's
not out of the realm of possibility that they
just move up because all the guys are there.
Especially with Ryan's issues with weight. The
thing is, as much as I think Ryan can be a player
at 147, you can clown me on this, as much as
I think Ryan can be a player at 147, Him going
up to 154, he's going to get annihilated by all
the champions besides Zayas. Oh, I know. But
that's the thing. Like, if you see the kind of
vision, Zayas is 23. He picks up the second title,
holds on to it, and then one of the money guys
like Rowley or Ryan move up and you cash out
there. I mean, yeah. Say what you will, like
there's no cashing out against the Boots or Virgil
just because they've been... Virgil's been stuck
on the zone for how many years? And Boots, basically,
he started his peak here right at the end of
PBC. Right. So, who would you rather cash out
against? Ryan Garcia, where you have a legitimate
shot at winning it, too? Or get annihilated by
Virgil or Boots for pennies? The thing is that
I don't even see those fights getting made with
Ryan. I feel like... Top Rank. I'm specifically
on the case of Xander Zayas. I feel like Top
Rank is not going to want him to fight any live
dog at all for the next two years. And I don't
blame him. Xander Zayas is not ready for those
big fights yet. No. You know, but I mean, someone
like Fundora, I agree with you because the same
thing. I think if they're going to want to cash
someone out, they're going to cash them against,
you know, a cash cow. No. And I know that we
keep talking about... I think it's the bill of
a cash cow. That too, but... I think he fits
the bill. Yeah. Well, they're not putting Fandora
against live dogs either. And I don't know what
they're doing because I live. So that division
is being... Put to a halt. It's a little gridlock.
Yeah, gridlock. It's kind of sad. He's fighting
Josh Kelly. He is fighting Josh Kelly. But that's
Josh Kelly. I'm not going to say you should fight
down to your opponent's level, but if he's having
trouble getting fights, take a page out of Bibble's
book. Look human? Yeah, basically. Look lesser
than what you are. You lure one of the guys into
fighting you. Or their management more than the
guy. And that's what it is. I mean, honestly,
Mourna Zailov, he looks like a demon. He looked
like a demon against Tim Zhu. I can't lie. If
you saw Bivol and his HBO days, it was the same
thing. This guy looked unbeatable, and then once
he got in the zone and definitely slowed down,
slowed down even more as Canelo was looking at
another jump up. Canelo Bivol, it's a different
Bivol than the guy who fought Craig Richards,
clearly. Canelo didn't see that coming. Canelo
obviously fought Bivol because he didn't want
to fight better. And again, Bable was absolutely
perceived as the weaker champion in the division.
He's an easy guy to knock off. I mean, he just
struggled with a couple British shitters. They
considered him a cherry pick. And then, no. That's
what I mean. But he's perceived as a cherry pick.
And I'm not saying Bagram should fight down to
the level of guys, but I'm saying if he looks
like he's beatable, management might be wanting
to take the jump on him. But to look beatable,
you actually have to fight. He hasn't fought
in over a year. Because right now he's fishing
for big fights. But none of the big names are
going to fight him. He needs to set... Go on
a tour of Europe. You don't have to come to the
States and fight the big guys. Go fight some
British middle -eights. Drag up some guys from
147. And it's honestly not even worth it to fight.
Josh Kelly is the perfect example. Like, that's
a perfect matchmaking if he decides to, like,
carry Josh a little bit. I mean, I do really
want to see Josh Kelly win that one, though.
Just because, I mean, seeing that belt free from
Murda Zaylov for I don't know how long he's had
it. What, three years? Again, it's not his fault.
It's not his fault no one wants to fight him
either. He is the IBF. The IBF? The IBF has been
champion for how long and he's only fought a
couple times? Again, he can only fight who they
put in front of him. The IBF will strip you if
you don't fight your mandatories. They don't
fuck around. So clearly, if he's held on, if
he hits the WBC, you can run forever. Yeah. Oh
yeah, 100%. But it's the IBF. It's the IBF. Which
means no one wants to fight him. If you're getting
no fights with the IBF, it means no one's there.
I mean, they had Lubin, but they didn't want
to pay for that. Again, the IBF will force a
first bid. They make you fight. It's not a matter
of... So what happened to that Lubin fight? I'm
genuinely curious what happened to that Lubin
fight. He opted for Ortiz instead. He opted for
Virgil. Virgil, again, at least... Again, perception.
It's important. Virgil just struggled with Boachuk,
and the perception, again, is that he hasn't
had a knockout at 154. He kind of struggled with
Madrimov and Boachuk. Or you have a guy who just,
like, nuked Tim Zhu. And then we'll talk about
it on the next pod, but... The choice probably
could have been better made. If you're Lubin,
who is a guy who, out of everything, your chin
and durability are not your strong points, who
do you take? The guy with no knockouts at 154?
The guy who put Tim Zhu from arguably a top three
guy at the weight class into... Obscurity, basically.
Back to the Australians? Oh, yeah. Yeah. I mean,
oh, yeah, I agree with you. You're right. Marzallo
is a lose -lose situation because if you beat
him... Not a lot of recognition for it. Yeah,
exactly. But if you lose to him, you're going
to be sent back to obscurity. And the thing is
that you beat him. It's probably going to be
a close, grindy fight. And now, guess what? People
want to fight you for the IBF title. Now there's
mandatories in line. Or you lose and you never
fucking fight anybody good again. Yeah. If it
were any other belt, I would be like, okay, yeah,
this guy's not fighting on purpose, but it's
the IBF. No, yeah, I agree with you, yeah. Like,
Pandora's not fighting anybody. He's fighting...
He has the WBC, though, so he can... Listen,
man, Keith Thurman is more competitive than Adonis
Stevenson's title reign. I mean, yeah, I understand
why they're putting up guys against fucking Pandora,
but at the same time, yeah, Virgil, I can go
over a million times, but I mean, Virgil's an
interim champion. I understand that's not a mandatory,
but he is ranked highly. Yeah, they have to call
the mandatory. I get it. And the thing is that,
I mean, we looked it up at the beginning of the
day. The number one guy besides Virgil is a Frenchman
from, obviously, France. But what was his name?
Like, Wilshack? Zachary Samaki? Yeah, yeah, Samaki,
Samaki, yeah. Like, I mean... He's got the WBC
silver, I think. Yeah. I understand that, you
know, he's ranked number one here. I guess he
earned his way to the top, but... I mean, I...
I don't know if you guys know who he is, but
I don't. Oh, no. I don't. I've never seen him
before. No, I know. It's a matter of some guys
play the rankings game. And again, here's the
negative of languishing on the zone for your
whole career. You, on your own, don't command
enough, I guess, attention to be able to make
those rankings move. Especially with the WBC.
They see dollar signs. I mean, not just... It's
more profitable to milk... It's more profitable
to milk Fundora for more stuff than for Virgil
to be the new guy. But one thing you're missing
out here is also not just going to DAZN. It's
siding with a shitty promoter as well. But I
mean, the thing is that if Goldenboy... If Goldenboy...
Like, back when they were with HBO for a bit,
right? They're on HBO. You watch him on HBO,
he gets a profile there. I'm saying, like, the
promoter is irrelevant if you're languishing
on DAZN. He could have been with Matchroom or,
like, whatever. And still, the problem is the
same. You're on DAZN. You don't have enough attention
to be able to make those rankings budge. There's
no upside to you winning this title over Fundora.
So you have the hard way up through the rankings.
I'm curious. I don't know if you guys know this.
What's Virgil's contract with Goldenboy and maybe
DAZN? I don't know if he has a personal contract
with DAZN, but what's his contract like? Because
I still question why the hell he's still with
Goldenboy. Let me see. Goldenboy contract. Because
honestly, anybody else would have managed him
better. We'll talk about him more in the next
one. Yeah, we'll talk about him more next week.
Yeah, I mean, the reason he's not finding any
big names is also because he's not being managed
right. He's not being promoted right. Yeah, again,
Golden Boy doesn't have anyone to really put
him in with. Yeah. Like, it just is. Like I'm
pretty sure their big name was the most like
the bigger bigger little step -up fight for him
But 147 was gonna be Alexis Rocha, but Rocha
never got up to that Kevin just didn't line up.
He kept losing I mean he's still 147 the fight
probably could have been him versus Ryan him
versus rolling maybe but No, he he moved up.
He moved up It would have been Rocha for the
in -house, like, this is the future, but very
clearly it became Virgil. It did not help that
Michael McKinson held up his career. That was
a good use of his time. That fight was both a
waste of his fucking time, and it had to get
rescheduled. A lot of times. First, you know.
That was a waste of Stan Jonas' time. Well, is
that really the fault of Virgil, though? If you
can't make the weight, don't re -sign the fight
repeatedly. Like, it wasn't his fault. I'll give
him the benefit of the doubt the first two times.
But, like, by the third time it falls through,
like... Yeah, three is a pattern. Three is like
you should have moved up a while ago. You're
just wasting everyone's time. That's also kind
of why he fell under the radar for a while. His
career is... Again, that's what I mean. He doesn't
command the attention. Unfortunately, he's got
to earn it. Boots is at a pretty similar crossroads
because again... his window of commanding attention
was like, it's like right at the end of PBC and
now he's with Eddie Hearn. Yeah. I mean, you
have to fight each other. That's next week, though.
Yes. Let's keep moving. Back to the original
point about Zayas versus Abu. Yeah, Zayas -Baru.
The original point. Abu. I want to see that fight,
but I want to see Baru win just to not have a
top -ranked fighter hold those titles for years.
Yeah. Zayas is going to hold that shit hostage.
Yeah, I mean, that's the final take, is that
he's going to hold us hostage, and we're not
going to have him. It's a WBO and WBA. It's not
happening. Yeah. Oh, you know, speaking of holding
hostage, Tank is in legal trouble again. Tank
versus Jake is off. Tank... What a loss for the
sport, by the way. Was assaulted a young lady
that was a cocktail waitress at a strip club.
He was assaulting her over the course of several
months. He kidnapped her. Doesn't necessarily
mean that he put a gun to her head and threw
her in a car trunk, but he did strong -arm take
her away from where she was against her will.
We need to hold these men accountable. Seriously,
this is completely fucked up. We're beyond...
The way the others... You had plausible deniability
with how they got dismissed or whatever, but...
You really – this is beyond a pattern at this
point. It's – I mean, the first time – there's
literally a video of him holding his – putting
his hand on a woman's neck and holding it and
strangling her in a fucking basketball game,
nonetheless, in the public, okay? I mean, imagine
– he's comfortable doing that. In person, what
the hell is he doing in private, you know? Someone's
going to end up dead. What the fuck is wrong
with this dude? Yeah, someone's going to end
up dead because he's not being checked. Shanada
said that he would benefit from jail time. Like,
that's the type of thing that would straighten
him out. He should fucking rot in jail for what
he's doing. It's just, like, the jail time would
benefit him. Like, there just needs to be some
consequence. I feel like at every point, his
boxing talent and star power has just bailed
him out. And the yes men. So it keeps escalating.
Ergo, it keeps escalating. Yeah. Because, again,
like, you keep pushing the line. You keep pushing
the line. And nobody acknowledges it around him.
Nobody in the sport is acknowledging that this
man is doing terrible things. You know? How many
of the biggest box analysts, like, have you seen
Mike Coppinger? rectify this? Not rectify, what's
the word? Just talk about it. Yeah, just talk
about it in general. Have you seen him talk about
it? No. These big analysts haven't spoken about
it because they know he's the cash cow. The big
analysts, they risk no longer having access to
the fighter, but the thing is that they also
end up risking nothing because you can cover
the sport the same way. Exactly. If they have
a coordinated effort, you know? And the thing
is, I got to give props to Sean to tell because
that man don't give a damn. He's the only one
I've seen that has talked about it. Everybody
else, silent. Not even other boxers have put
this. Other boxers, it's whatever. You don't...
Yeah, it's kind of a silent... Not a gentleman's
agreement because there's nothing gentlemanly
about it, but it's kind of like... You don't
start bringing up legal troubles because, like,
then you just... You end up pointing fingers
at everyone. Yeah. Like... Implicit agreement?
If you go... Like, it's a... Like, what do you
say if, like... Unsaid agreement. Yeah, unspoken.
Yeah, it's a very unspoken agreement about that.
Because, like, what's the... There's no benefit.
And you're just going to have whatever your dirty
laundry is or your trainer's dirty laundry or
whatever. Like, let's say Haney Tank happens
and you start throwing shit at Tank about the
domestic abuse and then he gets shit back for
suing Ryan and working with Snack all these years.
And his dad being a pimp. Is that what he got
in trouble for? I didn't know that. Yeah, like,
Devin's dad is a pimp, and then he works with,
well, worked, because Victor Conte is dead and
buried. Oh, we gotta talk about that too. But
you get the point, right? Like, everyone either
is or has someone, and it's just, it's a waste
of time, and honestly, it's not even trash talk.
You're just tearing down the value of the fight.
Like, for the average fan, if one is a, like,
if both guys are reprehensible, you can't even
justify paying the ticket. So, I can't blame
other boxers for not speaking out, but on the
journalists who risk almost nothing, it's kind
of brutal. It's kind of their job to talk about
this stuff. Maybe they shouldn't be fucking pussies
and talk about the damn landscape of the scene.
I mean, come on. I mean, this is what we're here
for. No one's really going to look at us and
be like, oh yeah, they can't go to a fucking
our press conference. Are you going to threaten
me? Yeah, what the fuck? Yeah, threaten us and
our fucking listeners? Like, come on. Fuck you.
We'll talk about it. This is our damn job. Tank
is a piece of fucking garbage. That's really
all there is to it. I'm going to say it right
now. Tank stuff was happening and like... I will
call out Fat Dan, but Fat Dan is out here talking
about the WBA. WBA, WBA. The WBA regular. He's
complaining about Cletus Seldon in the year 2025
instead of talking about the actual news and
then having conspiracies about how it wasn't
selling. I mean, honestly, I genuinely feel like
the WBA should strip Tank right now. Not because
of... Of this incident. But because it's not
going to allow them to fight for a while. Again.
This is going to be slipped under the rug. They're
going to settle out of court. It's going to be
slipped under the rug. And Tank's going to be
back. And it sucks. It's sad. It's just because
there's no optics. There's no optics nightmare.
Again. We rewarded Rowley. For being a serial
sex pest. Like, Roley's funny and he makes money,
so you rewarded him with repeated title shots.
For sucking at boxing and being a sex pest. So,
Hank, who is far, far more of a match fighter.
Yeah, like... Well, that's going to happen. I
don't know, man. I just genuinely think that
the amount of times that Tank's done this and
ruined fights, I don't know. I generally think
he's got to get stripped. And honestly, he's
not even sounding like he's going to want to
fight again. So why even have him as a champion?
That's holding up a division. But you know how
guys send out the WBAs with their fighters, especially
with the PBC as well. They won't do that for
fucking right till the end of next year. He doesn't
fight still. And that's being that's being generous.
WBA is just as bad as the WBC. Yeah. But overall,
Tank, do better, man. And the thing is, it's
funny because we said this the last time, too.
We wish the best. We wish the best for Tank and
hopefully he got like we would get through it
and that he could like find help. Yeah, get help.
There's no help in this, man. Yeah, not anymore.
There's no help. Twice in one year is fucking
crazy. It's not, it's not, it's a pattern. Like
what we were saying, it is a fucking pattern.
Hmm. Ugh. Well, let's leave that there. Um, tank,
we, we need to do better and hold, try, something
needs to change. And this guy needs to be held
accountable. Let's move into our recaps here.
Fucking ironic, maybe, but Michaela Mayer versus
Mary Spencer at the top -ranked card at the Casino
de Montreal. Only two fights that I picked up
off of this one were Arthur B. Arslanov getting
the UD over Sergey Lipinets. He did have Sergey
Lipinets at his mercy. pretty much the entire
time and he wasn't able to get the finish. It
was kind of weird. I don't know if you guys remember
this one. Not too much. It kind of fell on my
head. That's alright. The main one I want to
put on I already posted the article about it.
It wasn't televised apparently even though it
was rather interesting. Logan Cloutier. Cloutier,
yeah. Beating Thomas Chabot by a unanimous decision,
dropping him once in the process. We're probably
going to see him on some more undercards going
forward because he's kind of out of Canadian
opposition. Where does he go from here? Because
this was Eye of the Tiger, right? Yeah. The thing
is that, like, he's, uh, Chabot had a ranking
somewhere. Like, Chabot was supposed to be the,
the, like, Canadian guy at, uh, 130. Not no more.
So, not anymore. He was the favorite into entering
the fight and everything, apparently, too, which
is interesting. But, um, no, I think, genuinely,
like, it's time to give the step up. They probably
won't. Because it's either Tiger and Canadian
fighters will languish until age 35 and it's
too late sometimes. But especially at 130, I
think now is the time to really pick a belt,
get up the rankings quickly, and give it a go.
Yeah, we'll talk about it next time, but there's
the big unification coming up. The avenues to
a title are getting smaller. Yeah, especially
because he's 30. I will say he's definitely a
talent to watch at 130, but he's also 30 years
old. Yeah, pick a lady. He's got to pick a belt,
get a move on. But I think, at the very least,
he can be a very competent world -ranked guy,
if not a titlist. Oh, rounding off the card,
Michaela Mayer gets the UD over Mary Spencer.
I believe Mary Spencer held the WBA super welterweight
title, and then the WBC and IBF were added to
it as vacant titles. I think that's what it was,
but I just remember two extras were tacked on.
So Michaela Mayer, unified 154 -pound champ.
Congrats. Oh, moving to Saturday, November 1st.
Queensberry at the Co -op Live Arena in Manchester,
England. Fucking Lyndon Arthur pulls out the
majority decision over Bradley Ray. Fun fact,
this guy's name, Bradley, spelled Raya. That's
the name for the large birds, like ostriches
and emus. That's pretty funny. Shinata told me
about that. Probably the best part of the fight.
It's a fun fact, actually. It's pretty good.
Hey, the best part of the fight was Lyndon Arthur
getting dropped. In the second round. Yeah. I
thought he did really well to come back, though.
He boxed really soundly, worked intelligently
behind a jab. The jab was not missing at all.
That had Bradley on his haunches pretty much
the whole time in the second half. Bouncing that
Bradley ball around the court. Bradley Big Bird.
Fried the bird, you know? And Joshua Boazzi also
gets the majority decision over Zach Parker.
I was... On paper, he got it. Yeah, I was going
to say, I'm not too sure that's how it played
out in the ring, but... Yeah. This fight was
a stinker. It's not worth watching to score it.
Just take the word for it. Yeah. Zack Parker
got the dub in our hearts. Yeah. Realistically,
they're probably going to rematch because they
haven't earned shit, neither of them. Especially
at a pretty log -jammed light heavyweight division.
Yeah. They're probably going to end up rematching
each other, and then hopefully we get a less
controversial winner out of that. Or not. They
can fight each other forever, honestly. They
go by Morel. Maybe win. They're not winning against
Morel, I fear. No, they won't. And moving on
to the last card of the day, Matchroom at the
Caribbean Royale, Orlando, Florida. Some quick
ones. Nishant Dev gets the UD over Juan Carlos
Campos Medina. Pat Brown with a fucking, certainly
a knockout of all time over Felix Valera. Yoelvis
Gomez pulls out the split draw versus Entrevious
Ingram. And another fight of all time, Lanier
Pero versus Jordan Thompson. Lanier gets the
UD. It was a fight. These were all some of the
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That's smart because they're going to make that
money back. Exactly. Yeah, like, they comp it
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First one I want to get through is the top -ranked
card. This one's going to be on ESPN Knockout
at the Arena Coliseo, the Coliseum Arena, San
Luis Potosi in Mexico. Starting the card from
the bottom up, Julian Montalvo versus Nicolas
Patron. Richard Torres versus Tomas Salek. That's
fun. Richard Torres is always a fun night out.
Can he fight someone who isn't? 411th on BoxRec.
Hey, 407th. Oh, excuse me. Put some respect on
his name, man. The fourth ranked Chechen fighter
on BoxRec. One of the best guys in the country.
Disappointing. Emiliano Vargas versus Jonathan
Montrell. My king. My king, Emiliano. This is
another. He's a young man working his way up.
I don't care. It's a 10 -round fight. He's really
stepping up. He doesn't. I don't mind the lack
of step up here. Great step up fight for him.
There's more offensive ones such as the Olympic
silver medalist who refuses to fight guys ranked
in the top 100. I generally wonder when they're
going to put him against a live dog. I mean,
Guido was a pretty good fighter. Guido counts.
Guido technically counts, but also that's the
whole point of Guido. Yeah, is that he's supposed
to technically count. He's supposed to give you
some rounds as a top -ranked guy. Yeah. Lindolfo
Delgado versus Gabriel Goyas Valenzuela. This
is a 12 -rounder. We talked about it a couple
times before. Yes, we have mentioned Lindolfo
before. He's a top -runner. Valenzuela. Oh, have
we? Yeah. We've talked about Valenzuela a couple
times. I remember his name. When he fought Gabriel
Matias. Yeah, when he fought Matias. That was
when we talked about him. And more glaringly,
the loss to Montana Love. Yeah, that's the one
that you look at and you're like, eww. Yeah,
that's a little ugly. Yeah, a little bit. That's
embarrassing. Maybe this guy is a no -hoper.
I mean, it's a top -ranked card. That being said,
I will say... The commentary is going to be so
good on this card because it's ESPN KO. You got
the Mexican commentators. It's going to be good.
Have faith. And topping it off, Rafael Espinoza,
WBO featherweight champion versus Arnold Kegai.
Where do I know Kegai? Kegai is ninth in the
WBO rankings. He had a fight with Joe Gonzalez
that he lost by split decision earlier this year.
He fought Laborio Solis in Germany? And in 2020,
Stephen Fulton UD'd him pretty convincingly.
That's where I know him. He's young, but as a
champion, like what we keep saying. He's 31.
He's for featherweight? Wait, wait, wait, hold
on. He's 31? Espinoza? Yeah, he's 31. He's 31,
so he's getting there for Featherweight. Oh,
hell no, dude. That's... 31 is a little too...
Yeah, no, he shouldn't be... He should be doing
better than this. Yeah. Yes. There's better guys
at Featherweight. And he's a good fighter, too.
Especially cuz it's not like it's a money division
like guys should be fighting each other That's
ridiculous honestly never mind I take back what
I said Who was I thinking of that's 26? Oh, you
know, I think I'm thinking about my team Angela
Leo Yes, I'm thinking Angela Leo. That's that's
ridiculous. Dude both Richard Torres and Raphael
Espinosa I can't judge Espinoza that much. He
has beaten Robesio Ramirez for a title. He beat
a legitimate titlist at the division. But who
are these guys that he's defending against? Yeah,
that's real conceited. I'm saying at the very
least, he earned his title. He definitely earned
his title against Rabiz Ramirez. I'm just saying
it's a little weird. 126 is always a little weird.
No fights happen until a surprise contender pops
onto the scene. We'll see what happens. That
division is going to light up when Inoue goes
up. Inoue and Nakatani coming up is absolutely...
Big brattle. Yeah. Any division they go to is
going to be better. That's the kiss of death.
Those two are going to blitz every champion in
the 126. They're going to give Narcan to that
division, man. I'll tell you that. Like, Nick
Ball's getting his head sent into the... He's
going to throw a roll by Inoue. Maybe not murder
him, but... Nick the Wrecking Ball 5 -2 is getting
sent into the stands by Inoue, I fear. Was it
on this pod that I mentioned we had that discussion
about Nick Ball in any way? I believe we've talked
about it before, yes. I think that Nick Ball
has a higher chance of hurting in a way than
most of the fighters he's fought. By kicking
him? Yeah, by kicking him. Going up another weight
division. He can make or break you, you know.
He's already been knocked down twice. And at
126. I will say by far, by more competent operators,
they've always been flash knockdowns from big
counters. I don't think Nick Ball, especially
because they're counters when Inouye's coming
forward. It's not like a guy's going into Inouye
and knocking him down. Yeah, that's true. That's
a different issue of durability. Inouye walked
into it and... Inouye gets walked into a big
shot by a competent... Which is not going to
happen with Ball. Ball doesn't have those wrinkles
to be able to walk Inouye into a shot. We'll
talk about it a little more next week. Inouye's
going to be fighting Picasso. Every time Inouye
fights a Mexican fighter, it's always that one
punch. The one punch that puts it down. Same
thing. If Ball had any semblance of craft, he
wouldn't have needed to start throwing and kicking
guys. He wouldn't have to rely on his other body
parts in his fucking fists. Yeah. That's what
I'll say. Other card that day. Matchroom at the
Tottenham Hotspur Stadium in London. Oh, shit.
From the bottom up, Mikey Talon versus Fezzan
Shahid. Super flyweights. Richard Reakpour versus
Tommy Welch at heavy. Sam Gilley versus Ishmael
Davis at super welterweight. Jack Catterall versus
Ekau Essouman at welter. Adam Azeem versus Kurt
Scooby. That's super lightweight. I'm excited
for this one. That's going to be a really good
one, I think. Was Scooby that Jake Paul prospect,
or was he the overtime guy? Overtime. O -T -X.
Overtime, O -T -X. I was going to say, no, no,
Ashton Silvey was the Jake Paul one. He was the
most valuable. Yeah, the MVP one. Okay. And headlining,
Chris Eubank Jr. Rematching Connor Benn. 12 -rounder.
I'm assuming they're doing it again at middleweight.
but I'm not 100 % sure. Jesus Christ. I think,
honestly, that it's going to be not as good as
the first, but it'll still be a decent scrap.
It's a decent undercard as far as, like, Brit
stuff goes. Yeah, like, actually, I find Adam
Azeem and Kurt Scooby more intriguing. I agree.
I need Jack Ketterall to stop fighting. I can't
believe he's following through with a threat
to fight. I'll say this, though. I really want
to see Jack Cotterill fight just because of his
association with Bozy Ennis. We get to see how
good Bozy is? Oh, my God. I'm calling you right
now, Kate. Are we fraud -checking Bozy Ennis?
Jack Cotterill. actually learns from Bozy Edis,
he might just be a problem. Man, if he just turns
in the boots at us overnight because of Bozy,
like, I'm throwing in the towel. Like, that's...
I'm crying, dude. I'm crying and I'm creaming
at the same time. That's crazy. That'd be crazy.
Jack Catterall comes out of the Philly Shell.
I will, like, lay down the line for her. Philly
Shell, like, just has a chin now and power and
athleticism and just... Oh my god. That'd be
hilarious. And you know, Triple G had that Mexican
style. Philly style. The Philly cat. I don't
know what's funnier. If he looks really good
or if he just looks horrendous and comes out
with the silly shell. Like the Ryan Garcia silly
shell. Both would be hilarious. Oh, man. I had
a thing. I was talking with Shanada. I'm going
to be at this. I'm going. I'll be in the crowd
for this one. I'll be one of the two people cheering
for Kurt Scooby. Yeah. I got to get my sweet
Caroline in. I'm going to beat your ass, dude.
I'm going to beat your fucking ass. I'm supporting
Kurt Scooby. Oh, my God. Imagine. Azim should
win, for the record. He totally should. He should.
He's a decent prospect. I think he's a contender
at this point at 140. It's kind of like beating
Sergey Litvinets at 140, like in his actual weight
class. Yeah, that's not bad. That's a good one.
And 140 is very top -heavy. I feel like if he
looks good with Kurt Scobie, it's going to go
into one of the titles that is starting to free
up. What else do we have on the docket? Chris
Eubank and Conor Benn. Is there really much more
to say? It's probably not going to be as good
as the first. Here are the words. Two bums. Two
bums. Two bums. Neither guy is going to win a
world title. And honestly, they might just rematch
each other for the next four years until Eubank
retires. The fight I... Chris Eubank training
with... with Bomak. That's going to be interesting.
We've seen what happened before with Chris Eubank.
Bomak, that was a little nasty. We'll see what
happens. I'm also interested in that. It's just
Eubank's going to show up emaciated again, and
he's not going to have the leg strength to be
able to finish Conor Benn. You know what? It
doesn't help that he wears those fucking winning
gloves, like the winning pillows every damn fight.
Eubank does? Eubank does. His hands cannot be
that shop -worn that he can't put on some Mexican
leather and actually hurt Ben. I mean, at least
put on some grants. Come on. Yeah, like, some
grants or some rivals. Like, you don't even,
like, I'm not saying put on some Reyes. Like,
at least some Everlasts. Yeah. Winnings? The
only person that I know of that wears winnings
is Inouye. Partly brand sponsorship, I expect.
Hank knocked out Leo Santa Cruz with a pair of
winnings on. Goodness gracious. That knockout
was with a pair of winnings on. Sent him to the
Shadow Realm with them? Yeah. So, that's what
I mean. There's two guys who can actually punch
with power with a pair of winnings on. And Eubank
is neither of them. So, like, I think, like,
just put on some real gloves, man. It's like,
like, especially if Eddie Hearn's going to block
your ambulance. Like, you want to be in and out
of there quickly. Do we think Eddie blocks the
ambulance again? No, I don't think he'll do it
again. Again? That was probably the best. The
first fight was good, but I'm saying in terms
of actual boxing consequences following the fight,
that was the funniest. You guys seen The Dark
Knight? That's what Eddie's gonna do to the hospital.
Evacuate it so it can be blown up? Yep. Just
to not have Chris Eubank get to a fucking the
nearest hospital. Yeah. Jesus. Oh well. Two bums.
Two bums. They're never going to win a world
title. Three bums. Howard Foster. Is Howard Foster
refereeing this fight? I don't even know. I'm
just saying some bullshit. That would be... I'm
going to check, see if it's been announced. I'm
going to check. That would be funny, though.
Chris Eubank. Victor Law. Nope, that's the first
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Crazy as pool. I'm gonna kill myself. I gotta
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Howard fucking Foster. That's all we got on the
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