The B -Side and Boxing. B -Side shit. B -Side.
B -Side. And the B -Side. You got a B -Side.
The B -Side. B -Side. B -Side. B -Side. The B
-Side thing. This is the B -Sides Boxing Podcast.
Alright. Boxing. Fucking. B -Sides. Back up in
your ears. I'm joined by the one and only Saul.
What's up, guys? And Josh. What's up, dude? Hello.
How was your Thanksgiving? Good. Yummy. What
was the standout dish of the event? I am a broke
student, so I only make one nice dish. I did
write it down when talking to Shanada yesterday.
It was like a nice... Where is it? Plank steak
in a mustard marinade. Oven baked with onions
and asparagus with an aged gouda melted over
it. And some gnocchi with a garlic butter in
a steel pan. That sounds fantastic. Oh, yeah.
Yeah, we're back to ice soup for the next...
Ice soup? Yeah. Ice cubes and water. That's that's
food protein ice soup I Don't know I always think
of the meme I always take this meme about bi
-weekly pay, where it's like week one you're
buying shit like the gorilla couch. What? Oh
yeah, the gorilla couch. Yeah, that's what I
mean. First week of bi -weekly pay, you're buying
a gorilla couch. Second week, it's ice soup.
This is a fucking couch? Here, let me send it.
I found the original tweet, bro. Okay, because
I'm just looking at Google Images and these all
look wild. Oh, shit. Yeah, that's what I'm looking
at. First week of bi -weekly pay, gorilla couch.
Second week, ice soup. That's what I mean. So
it's an ice soup week. Oh, a lot of these are
AI because they look stupid. Yeah, no, the real
gorilla couches are stupider, though. Boy, you
wouldn't want to own one? I kind of do. Since
we don't have all that much to talk about, I
do have a little bit of MMA to throw into the
mix. Reference to our homies over at Ultimate
F 'n Casuals. UFC 320 took place on October 4th.
Fucking... There was quite a few... Fun fights.
Let's see. Yeah, the Jiri fight was actually
crazy. Yeah. That was an interesting case. The
way I described it was that Proska, the way that
he fights, he does not fight on a 10 -point must.
No. He just fights the fight as a whole, and
he just decides to turn it up in round three
and just fucking annihilates Khalil Roundtree.
It was interesting. I watched the fight after
it happened. Someone just posted the entire fight
on TikTok with the Rocky soundtrack over it.
I'm like, this is probably the best way to experience
it. Yeah, that's a good way to watch it. Fucking
Rocky soundtrack playing over this fight. Crazy.
What a good fight. Proska's a fucking character.
He'll put his hand over anthills and just let
himself be bitten to numb his hands or something.
I don't know if he's trying to absorb the power
of the ant. True, ants are extremely powerful.
Yeah, they are. You know what? Through osmosis,
he could be trying to absorb that power. Through
osmosis is crazy. Or he's trying to be like Spider
-Man, dude. Yeah, that could be it. That's something
that Stephen Poland should do. The radioactive
ant. What are some other good fights that were
on here? One that was fun was there was this
dude. His name is Yakub Weaklax. His name is
Yakub. Straight up Yakub. We're not saying that.
He came in signed fresh. from outside of UFC,
signed for a fight with Patchy Mix, who was a
champion at the previous organization, Bellator.
They folded, right? So Patchy Mix was a free
agent. He signs with UFC. And he loses his first
fight in UFC, whatever. I guess you can kind
of look past it. And then they signed this guy,
Yacoub, who ends up beating Patchy Mix as well.
I think it looks like Patchy Mix. Who calls their
kid Patchy Mix, dude? I don't know. Yeah, Yakub
versus Patchy Mix. Like, come on. It's a movie.
It's a movie. It's like when you watch It's Always
Sunny, this is the fight that's playing over
the TV at the bar. Hey, who's fighting? It's
Yakub. Yakub. Yakub. And you can't be saying
that now, dude. It's his fucking name, dude.
It's his name. No, I'm saying that's what they'd
be saying. Oh, yeah. They'd be telling Frank,
you can't fucking say that anymore. What's his
name? To cap off the 320, the two title fights,
Marab Dwalishvili gets a UD over Corey Sanhagen.
Marab continues to prove himself to be a very
special MMA fighter. The dude has a gas tank
that just does not quit. It is unreal. Actually,
Isaac posed a good question that I would like
to ask both of you. It's hard because I don't
know if you guys know just how good this guy's
gas tank is. But who can you think of that has
the absolute best cardio in boxing? Honestly,
cardio. Best cardio guy who just keep... Fuck.
Like, right now or historically? Whatever. Historically,
oh, that's crazy. No, because historically, like,
you can say Chavez Sr. would not stop coming
at you. James Toney rarely gassed. Gil Lewis
didn't really gas to the end of his career. Rocky
Marciano never gassed. Not the rock either, man.
I'll take these back to Isaac, see what his comparisons
are. These are good ones. For modern day cardio,
Bivel will slow down but not gas. Usyk only speeds
up. Which is, that's the scary one. Usyk only
ever gets faster with time. Anyway. anyway hasn't
really needed to he doesn't have to step on he
doesn't have to that's the thing he doesn't have
to he's pretty good though yeah but also like
come on that that was a that was a steven butler
type performance from mj yeah but he still went
to 12 you could see that he wasn't tired at the
end you know no no um shakur too shakur i can
give benavidez that because like this guy can
keep keep uh the volume going forever Stephen
Fulton? I would disagree with Fulton. Nah, Fulton
having two 12 -round wars with B -Fig gives him
the cardio. Without gassing, gives him the cardio.
Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Give him the
cardio nod. Getting blasted out is not the same
as having bad cardio. Inu beating his ass Inu
beating his ass isn't his gas tank. It's his
Everything else. It's his chin, his defense,
his offense, but not his gas tank. Is Carlos
Castro or not Carlos Castro? I was thinking about
Mark Castro or Carlos Castro. I think it's Carlos
Castro, right? Carlos. Yeah, Carlos, okay. Carlos
Castro. And the Castro fight, he was kind of
slowing down past round eight. But that might
just be because I think that was when the weight
jump, maybe? Yeah. And his last beefing fight
wasn't... It wasn't really a word. It was more
just... No, I'm thinking the first one. No, that
first one, yeah, 100%. But that second one, he
just kind of... He cruised. Yeah, he cruised
the whole time. So, at least for me, it seems
like he slowed down a little bit. But I could
also agree that he probably does have a good...
Weirdly, I'll say Crawford never... Crawford
doesn't really go fast, but he doesn't slow down
dramatically either. Yeah. Like, with the Majumov
fight. Yeah, like, he doesn't go fast, but he
also doesn't slow down dramatically, which is
good. Honorable mention for, like, a really bad,
like, probably worst gas tank in boxing has got
to be Caleb Plant. Oh, especially now in his
advanced age. Caleb Plant, like, he never had
a good gas tank. Like, against Uz Katsagati,
like, he looked like the best boxer. Like, ever
to live for four rounds. And then, seriously,
he looked like the best guy to ever live. Like,
drops him and everything. Like, looks like the
best guy to ever live for four rounds. And then,
oh, my God. Is his gas tank woeful? You know,
I will say another one, too, that kind of underrated
as well. You can disagree with me on this one,
but I think that Better Beef, his gas tank, Until
at least the second B -Volt fight was pretty
right. Be good. I'll give him credit for the
gas tank. He doesn't slow down. But again, it's
a Crawford case where he also doesn't... He never
steps into that fifth year. Yeah, I guess I see
what you're saying. But I can see that in the
first B -Volt fight, he had a pretty good gas
tank. It's not a criticism. It's just a stylistic
thing. I find it more impressive in regards to
the gas tank if you're like Usyk, who will dramatically
speed up later in a fight compared to like a
single output type of person. I will say one
of the most more overrated gas tanks in the sport,
I would say probably would have to go to Tepeda.
Oh, shit. That's a good one. It's a good one.
It's a good one, but I feel like he's overrated
regarding his casting because a lot of people
say his casting is the best in sport. Yeah, bottomless.
I'm not saying it's bad at all. Again, I'm just
saying it's overrated. Yeah. These are all good
shouts, though. I'm going to have Isaac listen
to these and see what he thinks. We'll talk about
it on the next Ultimate FN Casuals. Yeah. And
rounding it off, Alex Pereira reclaims the light
heavyweight title by a first round stoppage.
First round stoppage. Shout out the guy on SP
Discord who believes in black magic. What? There
was a guy after this fight going like, Pereira
is like a black wizard doing rituals for this
shit. He is indigenous Brazilian. This is so
funny. And I'm like, you know what? Maybe it's
actually... You know what? Fair enough, man.
If all your favorite fighters get obliterated
by this guy, you might as well believe in black
magic. That's a good reason to start believing
in it. If he fights Usyk and beats him, I will
genuinely believe that it's black magic helping
him. If he beats Usyk, I'll start believing in
God, dude. Like... This guy's not going to...
It's like he has the heavenly mandate at that
point, dude. You don't believe in God after seeing
Terrence Crawford? No, I believe in alcoholism
after seeing Terrence Crawford. No man who gets
drunk at Quinceañeras, who gets that wasted at
Quinceañeras was going to be Crawford in retrospect.
So we had to believe. We had the believe out
of Hatred Crawford, but it was not to be. Pushing
on, coming up on the UFC side of the house is
a fight night card in Vancouver, BC. The headliner,
Rainier DeRidder. It's pretty fun to watch. He's
fighting Brendan Allen. There's some other good
fights on the card. Charles Jourdain should be
a good one. Marlon Vera, another good one. But
that's enough MMA talk. Moving into a little
bit of fucking news here. Badu Jack versus Norair
McCallion. The rematch is set for December. How
excited are you for Badu Jack? I would expect
him to cash out by now, honestly. Same. Yeah.
At 41. He's been off forever. He's still going.
He's like a New Zealand Lara. Actually, to be
fair, this rematch, like, they are making him
do it to keep his belt because he low -key robbed
McAllen for the last time around. So I get it.
Yeah, basically, if Badu Jack beats McAllen this
time, which should be, honestly. He's probably
just going to cash the belt out and retire. There's
only two guys to cash out, too. Italian Gordo.
Yep. Hey, you could always cash out with Jake
Paul. That's true. Jake Paul is an option at
this point in time. Holy shit. You're not wrong.
I was going to say, by the time that happens,
he is going to be 42. By the time the opportunity
for a Jake Paul fight, he's going to be 42. And
I don't know. He looks good against Makabu, but
if you saw his last fight, the wheels are coming
off. Yeah. The wheels are coming off. So, honestly,
Jake Paul, that's the one. He's not going to
cash out against someone who can actually do
real damage. Because, like, Obitai and Zerto,
like, that's not a way to end your career. But,
as a blown -up super middleweight holding onto
a belt... By the skin of his teeth? Like, Jake
Paul, with minimal power, especially at this
weight class. Like, he's not a KO threat for
Jake Paul, which is where I think I genuinely,
in my heart of hearts, think Jake Paul is coming
up for that. For Body Jack. Or for the winner
of this, at least. Yeah. Because they're both
about as weak, honestly. Let me ask you this.
Who do you think has a better chance of KOing
Jake? Tank or Body Jack? What a fucking question.
What? I mean, in this day and age, I mean, come
on. It's viable to ask that question. Oh, my
God. You know, I'll say Tank just because, like,
you want Tank. Tank will knock Jake Paul out
and ride into the sunset. Well, if he does that,
I will forever be happy. Yeah. Honestly. Yeah,
it'll be an exhibition and whatever, and then
Jake Paul will be like, all right, I'm still
ranked at Cruiserweight with the WBC. Give me
a shot of that WBC belt held by Badu Jack. Well,
Tank did say he's retiring after the Jake Paul
fight. Yeah. I think, genuinely, it's going to
be a horrible fight when Jake Paul wins a decision
that you just go like, yeah, I guess that's right.
With a Jake fight or with a tank fight? With
Jake and Bado Jack. The tank fight's an exhibition,
so, like, there's no, like, winner, you know?
See, I was like, I don't know about that one,
but... No, you're gonna get, like, a weird decision
that you sort of agree with with Bado Jack, and
Jake Paul's gonna have a world title that he
holds on to forever. Well, then, honestly...
I'm not gonna lie, that would breathe some new
life into the Cruiserweight division, you know?
I would cry laughing seeing this happen. The
Jake Paul Mafia rides again. Jake Paul Mafia
winning a legitimate world title would be so
fucking funny. How possible is that ever happening?
Like, legitimately? That's more likely than you
think. Yeah, like, seriously looking at this,
Badou Jack or Mikaelian? It's not out of the
realm of possibility. Like, you can give either
old timer a bag to show up. I mean, Jake Paul
is like a hater, but he is the fight to make
a cruiserweight. Yeah, like, neither... Both
guys are, like, basically big super middleweights.
And McKaylen isn't that. McKaylen's only 6 '3".
Bado Jack 6 -1. They're both kind of small for
Cruiserweight. They're not KO threats at Cruiserweight.
And, like, again, if McAleenan is struggling
this much against Bado Jack, we're like, the
wheels are falling off. Like, he's not there
the way he used to be. Like, put a couple more
miles on the clock and have a go at it. Because
if Jake Paul loses, he's legitimized by saying
he fought a legitimate world champion and, like,
was competitive, semi -competitive. I mean, let
me ask you this. How good of a career has Better
Check been had? Pretty good, actually. Decent.
Decent. Pretty decent. He's overachieved. He's
honestly overachieved. Let's move to Frank Sanchez
versus Daniel Dubois in an IVF Eliminator. I
have to say I do not – I want Frank Sanchez to
win simply because I do not want to see Dubois
Usyk 3. That does not need to happen. Oh, you're
right. But I also don't want to see Frank Sanchez,
period, point blank. That's the problem. It's
like can't they both – can't they draw and like
– Everyone loses. In a fun fight, they both draw,
they have to fight again, and then Usyk can go
do whatever the fuck he wants and then retire.
Well, I'd rather see Frank Sanchez win than Danny
Dubois. He's already had a shot twice at Usyk.
Nah, but Frank Sanchez is like, he's like one
of the least deserving guys. Negative aura. Like,
at least Dubois is like a KO threat. Not really,
because Usyk beat the fuck out of him. but at
least he's a KO threat on paper. Frank Sanchez,
like... Luis Ortiz without some of the special
quality. Without the aggression or dog, exactly.
Yeah. Like, Luis Ortiz was a dog. You can't say
he wasn't. He's a dog. Frank Sanchez just, like,
again, he just kind of... He really just kind
of folded against Caballero. Well, his knee was
supposedly bum. Okay, yeah. For whatever that
counts. Why do you get in the ring then, though?
If your knee... Saudi payday. Saudi payday, but
also, like, instead of, like, folding and losing,
like, again, not to question hard here, but,
like, if you're gonna get... If you're gonna
hang around until the seventh round and take
all that punishment, like, give it a go. Especially
against a guy like Kapael, right? Like... I get
he's proven himself, but also give it a go. It's
heavyweight. Frank Sanchez has power. Yeah, anyone
can get hit. Sanchez has power. Like, sit down
on your other leg and give it a go, especially
because, like, let's say he gave up in the first
or second round, whatever, right? Okay, clearly
the knee wasn't it. But if the knee had you good
enough to go around for six rounds beforehand,
give it a go. Yeah, you could have spent your
knee stamina on throwing punches instead of trying
to stay mobile. You're still going to get folded
with body shots, but I assume standing and throwing
punches is less injurious to your shitty knee
and lateral movement. Yeah, that's what I was
thinking. I mean, honestly, when they fight,
if they fight, I got Dubois winning. And honestly,
as much as that would be pretty cool to see,
having Dubois fight Usyk for a third time in
a trilogy would be up there in one of the least
deserving trilogies of heavyweight boxing. Dubois
becomes the Derek Chisora of Usyk's title reign.
I will say. Like, Dubois was competitive for
exactly one second of their two fights. And it
was the low blow. Crazy. I would say the first
fight, Dubois had a little more competitive moments
in the second. A little bit, actually. A lot
more competitive moments. Yeah, I would say he
did a lot better in the first. That's fair. To
be fair, look at the demeanor Usyk showed up
in, though. Like, Usyk kind of went through the
motions. First fight with Dubois, second fight,
like... Showed up. I don't think we've ever seen
Usyk, like, actually, like, pissed off at an
opponent. Locked in. Like, even with Fury, it
was, like, it was all competition. It was all
competitive spirit and everything, right? But,
like, with Dubois, like, he showed up just to
beat his ass. Wait, what do you mean? That second
Riyadh trailer showed that it was ruining Usyk's
life. Is that not true? Oh, I forgot about that.
Did Usyk really not get into a car accident after
seeing Tyson Fury's face? Oh, my God. No, maybe
they're just reusing the... Fuck. Fuck, I forget.
Who's the guy in the zone, the ring announcer
who faked his car accident? David Diamante. Yeah,
David Diamante. Yeah, I think they're just reusing
that plot line. That's crazy. No, fuck David
Diamante, dude. Oh, he totally faked his car
accident, by the way. It's like the Floyd Schofield
hospital. Poisoning. Poisoning and the Fundora
hand injury. All of that shit's made up. Speaking
of shit being made up and the rules not mattering,
Ryan Garcia calls out Mario Barrios. Shanada
called this an ass -off because Mario Barrios
is hot garbage. I forecast another draw. He keeps
his belt by draw number three. We're going for
the three -peat here. I predict another draw.
Ryan Garcia shows up drunk, out of shape, on
dubious over -the -counter gas station supplements.
Beats Barrios' ass for three rounds and gets
a couple knockdowns. And then Barrios wins the
rest of the rounds just on activity, and it's
a draw. Well, shit. It really depends on who's
hosting the fight. It doesn't matter who hosted
the fight, dude. We had Pacquiao in Las Vegas
and Barrios got a draw. Well, that's because
PBC was hosting the fight. Yeah, Pacquiao in
Las Vegas. It's not top rank robbing Pacquiao.
Pacquiao is a PBC fighter. Yeah, Pacquiao has
never been robbed by PBC. It's been only top
rank. Only top rank. Only top rank has robbed
Pacquiao ever. Everyone tell Barrios though.
I don't think they want... Barrios is like the
most nothing champion you ever want. You got
a guy who can lose to a tune -up or you got Pacquiao
who like... Okay, you give him the win again.
You can't even say corruption here because corruption
is Pacquiao wins a UD and then guess what? He
has a title and now you can cash him out against
literally anyone else. Yeah, you're right. Hell,
you can have him unify. You have him unify with
Rowley? Well, that's what kind of rumblings right
now is that he might be fighting Rowley. It's
less money than if he has a title and then unifies
with Rowley. Yeah, you're right. There's no reason
to rob Pacquiao in Vegas. I still feel like they
robbed him. Oh, they totally robbed him, but
I'm saying there's no motive. It's just Barrios
having, like, a deal with Baphomet or something
to keep his title by as many draws as needed.
That's my point, though. If it was posted by
PBC, they'd still rob Ryan, even if he won the
fight. If it was real, they'd give it to Ryan
easily. I want it to be a draw so bad. I need
a draw. I need three draws. One thing that you're
forgetting, which, I mean, maybe I'm forgetting
something in the mix, but can't Ryan not fight?
Ryan can't get at the WBC anymore, right? Because
he was racist online. And they've banned him
from getting the title, right? Yeah, so is Teofimo
and, like, Bernard Hopkins. And, like, they're
still around. Broner's a classic, dude. Broner
won a... Let's say Ryan beats Barrios. What the
fuck happens to the title? Is Barrios still the
champion? Is that what happens? Vacate? Vacate?
You make Pacquiao against the number one contender
and then... Man, this shit kills me. I need to
see a draw. I need to see a draw. Just because
it'd be too funny. I mean, honestly, I... I think
Ryan would win the fight, though. I know you
guys don't really... No, if Ryan showed up, serious.
I think I leave Ryan when he shows up, like,
not after a three -week bender. I don't know,
dude. I mean, the last time he was on some shit,
he beat the fuck out of Devin Haney. You know?
Yeah, he was on some... Yeah, and not just booze,
dude. The steroids, too. Steroids, women, fucking
everything, dude. That's what I mean, how much
talent he has. He's extremely talented. It's
just God. His coaching stinks. His attitude stinks.
He's uncoachable and doesn't train. Don't forget
the Grove. What was it called? Bohemian Grove?
Don't forget the Bohemian Grove shit. He got
kidnapped and was fucking molested. Where the
fuck happened to him? He was like, dude, you
guys remember that shit? Yeah. Okay, all I remember
people posting under those tweets was that picture
of Haney and Diddy. Fuck it. You guys, you didn't
go to fucking leaving, by the way. I don't believe
that shit. I don't believe that shit. But my
favorite, people kept posting the picture of
Diddy and Haney. Which is so fucking funny. That's
my favorite picture, dude. How the fuck do you
get mugged by Diddy? Not even that. How the fuck
are you with Diddy in the first place? It would
be funny if it was like Tank. That would make
a little more sense, but fucking Devin Haney
of all people. Soft -ass Devin Haney hanging
out with Diddy at a Diddy party. Was that before
all the Diddy stuff came to light? Yeah, like
this picture. This is a classic picture. I just
sent it. You should make that a sticker. Oh,
shit. I remember that. This is such a good picture.
Oh, my God. Oh, I love it. Did he probably pull
some strings to get that fight overturned? Oh,
my God. Oh. Nah, that was legitimate overturning,
by the way. Ryan was, like, breaking the... He
broke the pharmacy for that. That was some Jarrell
Miller failure. Jarrell Miller's failure's crazy.
That was a Jarrell Miller level failure. You
can't even tell me it wasn't. You know what won't
be a failure? Gary Antoine Russell versus Andy
Hiraoka. I'm excited for this one. Hiraoka is
a Japanese fighter that breaks the mold of typical
come forward clobbers. Both really athletic.
F1 Russell never really has that bad of a fight
unless it was Pueyo. It's Pueyo. Pueyo's uniquely
stinky, though. I can't blame him. Like that
Sandor Martin? Not even that bad, actually. I
take it back. Pueyo's like a very high -level
stinky, though. It's not like a... He's not ass.
He's just not very excited. He's not an ass.
Yeah, that's what I mean. Like, Sandor Martin
is ass and not exciting to watch. You know what?
I'm going to be honest with you guys. Like, Toyo's
last two fights were pretty exciting. You know?
His last fight, honestly, could have been fight
of the year. Please look at who he fought against.
He fought against the action fighter of the sport.
Exactly. I understand Superman and Matias. But
when he fought Sandor Martin, that was a pretty
good fight, too. You know, I thought it was a
decent scrap. I don't know. I guess. That's what
they say. Like, the thing, Martin got forced
to engage there. Yeah, I guess. I'm not saying
he's an exciting fighter, but he has been in
some good fights, you know. Again, it's like,
the Matias one, you can't, like, Matias is the
action fighter. He's the action fighter. Speaking
of action fighters... Oh, go ahead. I was about
to say, right now, with what's been going on
with the pieces moving, I foresee, and I know
I was making fun of this too a couple months
back, I see Lamont Roach and Gary Antoine while
still happening. I honestly see that shit happening.
Oh, man. Roach is going to lose the cruise, though.
You think so? What? I think Roach loses the cruise.
I just don't think Roach has it to, like, get
him off him. You're kidding me. No, I do not
think a Jamel Herring victim has it to get a
guy off him. Really? I don't know. I highly disagree
with you. I think it's definitely possible that
he can. I just don't think anything that he's
shown in his career. I mean, no, I can see why
you're saying it. Yeah, like I get, like I don't,
like it's just, it is the take I have. I accept
other takes. It's not like I could totally be
proven wrong and he boxes circles around Cruz.
I'm just saying this, that Ryo outboxed Pitbull.
Pitbull is very one -dimensional. Ryo is also
good. Ryo is okay. He's pretty good, but I think,
honestly... Yeah, Ryo... But the thing is that
Ryo belongs at these weight classes and has the
strength to keep him off. Because Roach... Like,
again, Roach came up, is coming from 130, basically,
straight to 140. With a pit stop of 135 against
Tank. Tank is basically also a 130 guy. I'm not
trying to overrate Roach because of the tank
fight. I just think that he's the better boxer.
Yeah. It's not hard to be the better boxer than
Cruz. I just think he's just not big enough.
Like, Cruz just, the setup, he's not big enough,
and the IQ is not enough to keep Cruz from just
coming at him and catching him. I don't know.
I highly disagree. I think he can use that box,
Cruz. Pipo Cruz is not that good of a fighter.
I mean, he's exciting. No, absolutely not. He's
a treat to watch, but I mean, I guess boxing,
what's his name? Giovanni Cabrera. He's a terrible
boxer, but he gave people problems. Yeah. I mean,
come on. I mean, Lamont Roach is a Jamal Herring
victim, yes, but is that horrible? You know?
Pretty horrible. Obviously, like, horrible enough
to lose to Pipo Cruz. You know? The one thing
I got to say is that, yeah, you're right about
the power. I didn't... I mean... Yeah, like,
it's just the size and strength difference. I
mean, he knocked out Rowley. You know? I just
think you gotta think... You just have to think
on the perspective of, like, can he... Does he
have the cardio to do it for all 12? Without...
Like... I think he does. Because the thing is
that it's not even like he can get in the clinch.
He's going to get bullied in the clinch Like
you need like it like really you gotta wait on
the finer details because if the ring is huge,
yeah, okay it's easy pickings right, but if the
rate it's a smaller ring and He's not quite used
to one he doesn't acclimatize to 140 properly
Like you know like this there's a lot of little
factors that can really do it here Yeah, how
many fights has it been since Roche's last battle
pro box? Look a couple right it's been a while
because he did in a while Is that pro box buff
wear out after a while? I'm pretty sure it's
worn off now that like I think the fight before
tank was Provox. Oh yeah, that was Provox. I
think the tank fight was his Provox buff. Yeah,
maybe he didn't have the Provox buff come into
this fight. I also think Cruz is going to...
It depends if Cruz also shows up with a fire
under his ass because his ability to cut off
the ring looks significantly different based
on opponent. Like Cabrera and Rowley. Like, they
look about the same when they're moving away
from Cruz. But obviously, he had a fire under
his ass to catch Roley, but not Cabrera. I mean,
even his last fight, I mean, obviously, it wasn't
really against the greatest fighter, but at the
same time, I didn't see that fire in him. No.
So, like, he can totally show up with a fire
under his ass. Yeah. Like, it's a good... It's
a 50 -50 fight, but I don't think it's as, like,
significant of a fight as it's gonna be billed
as. Well, no, honestly, the fight itself is kind
of a tragedy. The simple fact that it's fucking,
what, a pay -per -view? I've seen worse pay -per
-views. Yeah, but I just feel like this fight's
gonna be, like, 75 % chance of being a stinker.
Oh, sure. They're gonna stack the undercard,
though. I don't know. I mean... A lot of the
other PBC fighters, I know Lara. We're talking
about her right now, but Lara's going to be fighting,
I believe, in January. Gary Antoine Russell's
fighting on the Tank undercard. No, it's Janet
Beck and Lara on the undercard of this Roach
-Cruz fight. It is? Yeah. That was announced
yesterday. Oh, shit. Oh, so it's... Okay, then
I take the back. Yeah, so I was going to say,
like, this is going to be a good card. Yeah.
Mark Magsayo's kind of basic, but he's getting
a... He's rumored to be fighting an Italian guy
who also tends to have pretty fun fights. Okay,
okay. So, like, Mark Magsayo's getting a fun
opponent, and, like, Janabek Lara is going to
be... is going to be on this card. So I'm like,
at least they're going to stack the card. Well,
the people that watch the show know how I feel
about Janabek, so. No. I'm for sure. Oh, listen,
man. I want Lara to win just because it's hilarious.
It'd be hilarious. I'll pay a cheeky tenner.
They'll suck the money out of my ass for it,
for sure. I was wondering if that was coming.
They can suck the money out of my ass. All right.
But I will say that Janabek Lara is honestly
more pay -per -view worthy than this fucking
Roach Cruz. Oh, for sure. The issue is that Janet
Beck is a top -ranked loan. Yeah. So, you can't.
I mean, the fight itself, I mean, the fight being
made on pay -per -view is kind of showing a bad
symptom of a PBC running dry on the fighters,
you know? No, it's just no TV deal. No TV deal
and Amazon not giving a shit. That too, yeah.
Like, again, if they had that deal with Netflix,
like, if PBC had the same deal they had with
Amazon but with Netflix, We get a lot more free
cards because Netflix, just the existence of
having a this is what's live right now or these
are live events tab when you log into Netflix.
Does so much for promotion. It's huge for promotion.
Amazon is very passive. They'll host the fight.
They won't do anything else. There are other
martial arts promotions that are on Amazon that
are next to fucking impossible to find. Yeah,
like, Amazon is very apathetic about this stuff,
whereas Netflix, like, Netflix will treat it
like they do the rest of their programming, which
is to say they care about making money. I mean,
yeah, they see that the sport does make money.
Like, they give a shit. They don't even have
to give that much of a shit. It's just that,
like, you display it with the rest of your programming
and say, this is what's new, this is what's live,
this is coming up. And that's it. That's all
you gotta do. But, yeah, like, PBC got a bit
of a short end of a stick with Amazon, but I'm
sure they'll adjust to it and start promoting
properly. Like, Showtime was also a bit of a
growing pains period when they were with Showtime.
That was after Fox, right? No, Showtime was before
Fox, but HBO was still around. Oh, yeah. When
were they on CBS, then? That was, I think, after...
No, when PBC first started, when they first launched,
they were getting time buys on CBS, Fox, ESPN,
Spike TV, if you remember that. Yeah, Spike TV.
Spike TV, yeah. That's the one. So they were
putting themselves out everywhere just to see
what was working. Yeah. No, Showtime was a bread
and butter. Showtime was a bread and butter.
Yes, it was. Yeah. All right. Callum Smith versus
David Morrell. How do you feel about this? This
fight's going to be cool. This fight's going
to be cool as long as it lasts. Callum Smith
is a damn... He's got heart. I mean, we make
fun of a lot of British people in this... yeah
in this uh in this pod but you know what i gotta
give it to calum smith he has heart dude calum
smith is calum smith is like barely british yeah
his nickname is mundo he's he's barely british
like he like he's got power he can box somewhat
he's got a fuck ton of heart he's got a chin
like he's got he he's never had like a he never
has really a boring fight honestly like i think
the most boring he had was that the one where
he robbed john rider oh yeah that was a bit that
was a little stinky but like i don't know like
But, like, otherwise, like, he generally stops
his guy or loses entertainingly. Yeah, I mean,
yeah, he lost to Canelo. Pretty alright fight.
Like, the Canelo fight was kind of, it wasn't
even boring. It was just, like, routine. Yeah.
His fight with Betterby was alright. You know,
I liked his fight with Betterby. It was a good
fight. Yeah. It was a bit of a fun snuff film,
you know? Like, Betterby punching him right in
the throat. Yeah. It was kind of crazy. Fun snuff
film. The Boazzi fight was really good. That
was a good fight. Looking up to make sure I got
the name right. Yeah, that was the one that sold
me. Him at 175, honestly. I know it's his most
recent, but I was not sold with some of his 175
names. Yeah, he fights everybody. I got to give
him respect. He fights everybody, even if he
loses. He'll put on a good show. He's barely
British in that aspect. And Morel's going to
bring it. Morel is really good. I actually...
Like, he's so, he's really good. The loss to
Benavidez is nothing to be ashamed of. Agreed.
Well, I will say that last fight he had with
Katya was a little, it was a little rough. I'm
not gonna lie. Yeah. Yeah. Morel's got some growing
pains right now in terms of development. And,
uh, I will say that was a fucking beating that
Benavidez put on him. Yeah. So, like, those are
miles on the clock you don't really get back.
The thing is that also is that, honestly, like,
him switching trainers too can... Yeah, you got
growing pains there. Yeah. And honestly, it's
like... I see this fight being 50 -50, honestly.
I know it's kind of crazy to say, but... I mean,
I guess he counts me with winning. Yeah. It's
totally possible. Yeah. Anything more for Callum
Smith, David Moreau? Is that going to be on a
PBC card, or is that going to be on a Riyadh
card? I'm assuming it's a Riyadh card. I'm going
to assume it is as well. Riyadh's been using
David Moreau a lot, a lot being twice, but that's
a good amount for being a PBC fighter. Yeah,
Eddie Hearn, Eddie Hearn, and Saudi. I got a
feeling that David Morales is not really going
to stay with PBC for the foreseeable future.
I think that he's going to leave. Yeah, I don't
see that. Because I feel like, honestly, like,
yeah, they promoted him well, but having him
fight, you know, once every couple, not every
couple months, but like eight months, yeah, that
doesn't really do good for his development, you
know? I see him going to, like, probably a match
room. I think he'll just stay with Riyad season
or ring. Yeah. And Janabek Lara, that's... We
haven't even touched that fight yet. I mean,
that's... I'm not going to say that's the greatest
fight in the world, honestly. Again, it is unification.
I obviously see Janabek winning that fight. Lara
is going to get out. This is probably going to
be his retirement fight. If he loses, he's probably
going to get knocked out bad. If he loses. If
he loses. We've been saying, we've been saying,
Lara's going to retire for like a decade now.
True. Yeah, but this is, this is, come on. Yeah,
so I have not, I have not been a Janabek believer.
Let's say, let's say, let's say Janabek knocks
out Eric Landry Lara. Okay. Would you guys become
believers? I believe in him being the best at
160. I would not believe in him for anything.
I believe he beats Adamas, but I don't believe
he moves up. I believe the top 10 at 168, Ransom,
too. You think Canelo beats him? Oh, my God.
I think Canelo. Like, come on. Canelo could show
up on two beers and beat this guy. Whoa, whoa,
whoa. You think Canelo doesn't beat Janabek?
You're telling me that Canelo... No, I think
Canelo beats Janabek. Okay. You gotta remember
that Janabek, as much as he's still in the young
champion, borderline prospect stage of his career,
he's 32. And had a long amateur career. I mean,
you can't see the skills in this guy. I can.
I also see that he's kind of small and struggled
against Denzel Bentley. He's the one Yes, it
was come on. Yeah, I was gonna say like like
he should not be struggling with these guys though.
I mean He generally doesn't struggle but like
boots boots fucking struggle to get today's and
you took his adhesion Karen's an enormously negative
opponent though the guy you can strut Bentley
wasn't negative. Bentley was there to get hit.
He just didn't hit him. He just didn't hit him.
Bad night. Bad night. He's a 32 -year -old middleweight
champion that is fighting. I just don't. I'm
just not sold. I'm going to be real. As much
as we could open the Golovkin can of worms, Golovkin
had way more skills. There's direct comparison.
I don't know. Golovkin could box way more than
Janabek. You got to chime in on this. Yeah, I'm
trying. Now that you've thrown Golovkin into
the mix. The direct comparison point in terms
of a dominant middleweight run. Golovkin had
a better run than Janabek is having right now.
Yeah, and against, like, again. I will slag Golovkin
for not having, like, the A -plus tier opposition
until the very end of his career. But at least
he cleaned out the B and C guys. I'm just sad.
I think you'll be surprised. I'm not going to
dog on you because it's fair to say that, you
know, Jenna Beck isn't showing anything because
he has a lot of opposition. Yeah, like, I'm just
not a believer. And Janabek, if he beats Lara,
yeah, he's the best at 160. I don't think he
can move up and have any success. I think he
already is the best at 160. Lara's just been
around for so long and not like... Somehow still
winning rather impressively. You think Janabek
beats... Or longer? Do you think he beats Shiraz?
Do you think he beats Munguia? Wait, are we saying
these guys are top 10 at 160? Is 160 that thin?
168, these are the known guys at 168. I'm saying
top 10, you guys. I don't think he beats Pacheco.
According to BoxRec, he's number 8. Let me go
through the BoxRec. Okay, yeah, number 8. Number
8. I think Munguia. He beats Munguia. He beats
Munguia. He beats Shiraz. He beats Berlanga.
Berlanga is number 17 on BoxRec. That's not a...
I would say he's a name, though. He's a name.
I think him and Shiraz is actually a really good
fight if he wants to move up. I'd rate Johnny
Beck to beat Christian and Beely. This is true,
actually. Yeah, that's true. I think that's a
good fight as well. Not Lester. I don't know.
And he has good coaching. I'm saying give Lester
three more fights at top 20 level and he's a
menace. He got better during the fight with Mbili.
The ability to adapt is... Yeah, but Lester straight
up got better through the fight. Yeah. So, that's
fair. No, never mind. I felt 168 was... Jermall,
Charlo, as he is right now, Johnny Beck beats
him. Yeah, I'm thinking... The Jermall of five
years ago? Hell nah. Yeah, 168's kind of top
-heavy when you think about it. That was a bad
comparison. Yeah, maybe if you were to say...
I was thinking 168 two years ago, and we still
had Benavidez and Morrell in the division, and
Plant was still good. I would say probably Benavidez
does beat Janabek. Probably. Yeah, probably.
I think he stops Janabek. Yeah, I was about to
say, I think Benavidez decimates Janabek. Not
even disrespectfully to Janabek, that's just...
Well, Janabek's also a power puncher. Doesn't
matter. Benavidez is going to hit him with 32
before he lands the one. He's also not bad at
counterpunching either. I feel like Android is
the best analog for a good middleweight in this
era moving up to fight Benavidez. Benavidez just
fucking knocked the braids out of that man. I'm
not saying he doesn't. I'm just saying, like,
that's a pretty good fight. I'm not even saying
Janovic isn't competitive in these fights that
he loses. I just don't think he wins them. Like,
he's competitive and he loses them. I mean, what
exactly is kind of turning you off is my question.
Like, it really is just the Denzel Bentley fight
and, like, how he kind of just looks unimpressive
and then stops the guy. Like, it's really a lot
of, like, eye test. But like, like again, with
like the Golovkin being the analog, Golovkin
always looked great while steamrolling a guy.
Janabek just kind of, he's there, he stops the
guy. He's there until he stops the guy. I can't
disagree with you about Golovkin because I mean,
people talk about him being a whole thing, but
I mean. No, but I'm saying like as a direct analog
of like the like. Kazakh middleweights. The Kazakh
middleweights that don't exactly face A -plus
opposition, like, Golovkin generally looked really
good. Oh, like, just, like, he looks great. He
steamrolls these guys. He steamrolls these guys.
Like, like, like, Janabek, like, like, Curtis,
like, rolling over Curtis Stevens. And David
Lemieux is like stuff that like Genevieve. Genevieve
probably still stops them, but he probably just
doesn't look that good against them either. It's
unfortunate because Genevieve hasn't had the
opportunity to fight these other top guys. Also
considering how 160 is a fucking dead division.
That's the problem. But the thing is that there
weren't, there were no top guys at 160 in Golovkin's
day either until the end of his career. Well,
they were better than the guys now. No, the thing
is that he'd like, I blame his promoter more
for an Adamas fight never materializing. Adamas
has always been there to cross promotions. It's
never been an Adamas issue. I mean, I got to
say this with how you kind of talk about Janabek.
I mean, let me be Keishon Davis versus Naheer
Albright. If you go purely off that fight, would
you think that Keishon Davis is eh? Yeah, but
Kishan... Kishan also has other guys that he's
beaten. I'm staying up to that Nihil -Albright
fight, you know? Yeah. If you've just seen that
fight purely, be like, oh, I mean, he's alright,
but I mean... Yeah, but, I mean, he looked great.
He looks great up until then, too. Like, I'm
not saying... Again, a lot of Jannifex stoppages
are just kind of like... They're very, like...
He doesn't steamroll them. He doesn't do much
work until the stoppage. The stoppage kind of
just comes. They're fine. Yeah, but at the same
time, he still wins. He's still buying the win.
But the thing is that there's a difference between
steamrolling your opponent. It's just the difference
in how much confidence I have in him going into
a fight against one of the few top guys in the
division. Like how much dog he has? Yeah, like,
can he even make the stoppage materialize? Because,
like, a lot of these guys, again, you had faith
in Golovkin going into his A -plus matchups because
of how good he looked prior. With Janabek, it's
like, yeah, he could win, but he could also just
do nothing for 12 rounds and get shut out. Like,
there's no X factor to convince me on Janabek.
More than I have faith in Lara, there's just
no X factor to convince me on Janabek. He won't
make things happen. I think you're underrating
Janabek. I can only rate him by how he looks
against the quality of opposition he fights.
At the end of the day, I can only rate him. Again,
Golovkin also faced the B and C guys of his day.
I will slag Golovkin not. like fighting Andre
Ward forever. But when Golovkin fought those
BNC guys, he steamrolled those guys and made
those stoppages happen. Janabek does not do that
the same, like even close to the same way. He
doesn't necessarily steamroll him, but at the
same time, they're all different styles. Yeah.
So that's why I said the Lara fight is a great
measuring stick for Janabek because I'm like,
I don't care, like... Lara is basically an angel
swander at this point. I'm going to say he's
going to steamroll Lara. I think he is. I just
think he's... If Lara is still... Again, he's
fucking ancient. But... Like... I don't know.
The way... I don't think he's going to stop Lara.
I think it'll be a little competitive. You know,
if Lara makes it tricky enough where Janet Beck
can't find the stoppage, it'll be interesting
to see how it goes down the line. We'll see what
happens. I got faith in the man. All right. Let's
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previews we don't have a lot coming up um we
have really had to scrape the bottom of the barrel
here um first one quickly not quite i don't see
country box here okay uh they're not quite there
country box yeah like a country yeah whenever
we include country box uh rough and rowdy Bare
knuckle. That's when you know we're really...
Or street beefs events. Street beef events, crazy.
My younger brother put me on the street beefs.
Get these guys in the UK, dude. Put these guys
on Probox. Nah, not quite. Probox is for professionals.
Yeah, pros. Put these guys on matchroom shows
in the UK. Really quickly, Most Valuable Prospects
18 at the South Padre Island Convention Center
in South Padre, Texas. South Padre Island, Texas.
This is mostly a women's card. Sharetta Metcalf
fighting Crystal Ortiz. Desley Robinson and Logan
Holler for the IBF and WBO middleweight titles.
And headlining Lourdes Juarez versus Jessica
Plata for the WBC Light Flyweight title. It's
really exciting stuff. For the main part of the
dish, Farewell to Brooklyn, brought to you by
Danny Swift Garcia Promotions. I actually...
That's a good name. That's a good subtitle for
this card. I will say, it's rare that we actually
get decent titles for cards post -90s. This is
a good one. There are quite a few fights on it.
This is not the running order. This is just the
order of me caring about them. Yay. If there's
one below that I missed that you want to talk
about, let me know. But Damien Kaniba versus
Joey DeWitchco. Eight round heavies. You may
remember DeWitchco. He fought Richard Torres
and his mouthpiece kept falling out. Oh, he's
the guy who made AJ lose to Andy Ruiz by knocking
him out and sparring. Was it Dwejko? Yeah, he
was claiming, like, this is the rumor. When AJ
lost to Ruiz, it's, oh, he was concussed because
Dwejko beat the fuck out of him in sparring.
And then he got, like, a fight against, like,
Sergey Kuzmin. He talked himself into fights
with guys like Frank Sanchez because of the sparring
rumor. Yeah, he got Richard Torres. He got Sanchez.
He got Sergey Kuzmin and yeah, Torres. Out of
the sparring rumor, it was really funny. And
all with a boil and bite mouthpiece. Yeah. Fucking
hilarious, dude. You can't pay like a dentist
for a shitty gum one. Yeah, they're not that
expensive. I've had them made before. They don't
cost a lot. Even top quality ones only run you
like $300 Canadian dollars, which is like $6
US dollars. Like, come on, bro. Chris Colbert
is back against Blas Caro. So that's a name we
heard in a while. Yeah, it's been a minute. For
good reason. That Ryo knockout was crazy. I actually
had some fun. That was a fun one. Moving up,
Gabe Rosado versus Vaughn Alexander. Alaska,
that's a fight of all time. Yeah, it is certainly
a fight. And Danny Garcia versus Daniel Gonzalez.
The undersized welterweight is fighting at Super
Welter. Yeah, I hope Danny wins. It'd be a good
send -off for Danny. I don't think this is the
last time we're going to see him. I think he's
doing farewell. Oh, he's doing a retirement tour.
Yeah, farewell to... XYZ city. First we're doing
Brooklyn, eventually we're going to do Vegas,
I don't know, just Miami, for example, and then
finally, farewell to Philadelphia, farewell to
boxing. He's had a great little career. Yeah,
he has. I know the money was always at $147,
and he had some classics there. My two cents,
if like... Like, ignoring money, if money was
not a question, staying at 140 was probably the
best choice for him, considering he was, like,
the man at 140 for several years. That fight
with Lucas Matisse. He was the man. Like... I
will say that if he should have fought Mikey
Garcia, that would have been a fucking great
fight, dude. Garcia versus Garcia. It sells itself
right there. It would have been good for Mikey,
too. I like Mikey a lot, but being the man at
140 like that would have been crazy. Yeah. Just
because, man, I know he only ever held the WBC
at 140, but he was the man. I think he was the
lineal. Yeah, when he obliterated Amir Khan.
Like, decimating, like, Khan, Morales, and then
being the shadow of Zabjud and Matisse in a four
-fight stretch. I forgot about that. I was like,
these are good. He was the man at 140. And, like,
none of these guys except for Morales were super
washed. Like, Khan had finally learned how to
box and everything and then just died. The no
-look hook. Yeah. Literally, the eyes closed
just erasing. It was crazy. These were great
wins. These were great wins. And, you know, he
didn't have the success he wanted at 147, but
also, like... When your three title fights are
against Keith Thurman, Sean Porter, and Errol
Spence. Even though he lost them, that's still
a hell of a run. Didn't get stopped until it
was way too far up in weight against Lara. He
didn't really get stopped to quit. He got dropped
pretty bad. Retired. I think it was a mental
break more than it was a physical one. He tried
everything he could against Lara and Lara just
dropped him pretty bad. Yeah, it checks out.
The knockdown was pretty ugly. I will say that
I'm going to ask a question. Do you guys think
he becomes a wallpaper? Like a first ballot?
He's one of those borderline guys. The thing
is that the bar for Hall of Fame is so low. I
don't think he makes it first ballot, but I think
he does make it. We need an episode where we
just talk about the Hall of Fame. Because I have
some fun opinions. Bro, we've had like three
of them already. Well, Shanada and I have. We've
been talking about the Hall of Fame a lot. I've
had some fun opinions. Before we get too far
into the weeds. Let me do something. I don't
want to talk about Vernon Forrest. Let me do
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