WEBVTT 00:00:00.859 --> 00:00:04.219 The B -Side in boxing. B -Side shit. B -Side. 00:00:04.280 --> 00:00:06.839 B -Side. And the B -Side. You got a B -Side. 00:00:06.900 --> 00:00:10.199 The B -Side. B -Side. B -Side. B -Side. That 00:00:10.199 --> 00:00:13.759 B -Side thing. This is the B -Sides Boxing Podcast. 00:00:42.890 --> 00:00:46.710 Shall we do the thing? Hell yeah. All right. 00:00:48.549 --> 00:00:51.570 Boxing B -sides, back up in your ears. I'm joined 00:00:51.570 --> 00:00:55.990 by the one and only Saul. What's up, guys? After 00:00:55.990 --> 00:00:58.390 a long week of a hiatus. Yeah, it's been a little 00:00:58.390 --> 00:01:03.509 while, but we're back. We're here to start off 00:01:03.509 --> 00:01:08.569 with fucking MMA, what? Just because Ultimate 00:01:08.569 --> 00:01:12.480 F and Casuals are brothers in arms. Over on the 00:01:12.480 --> 00:01:15.319 MMA side of the house. We talk boxing over there 00:01:15.319 --> 00:01:22.099 quite often. Let's see. There's a big pay -per 00:01:22.099 --> 00:01:26.480 -view coming up this weekend. It's UFC 320. There 00:01:26.480 --> 00:01:30.079 are some actually good fights on here. Just ones 00:01:30.079 --> 00:01:34.299 that stand out to me. At the very beginning of 00:01:34.299 --> 00:01:41.159 the build, Patchy Mix versus Jakub Vyklac. V 00:01:41.159 --> 00:01:45.200 Klatsch. I think I got that right. The mouthful? 00:01:45.299 --> 00:01:49.040 Yeah. It's a Polish name and has a lot of letter 00:01:49.040 --> 00:01:57.620 herpes. And all this fucking shit. Moving up 00:01:57.620 --> 00:02:01.579 to Bill, Josh Emmett versus Yusuf Zalal. And 00:02:01.579 --> 00:02:04.859 Yuri Prostka versus Khalil Rountree. That's one 00:02:04.859 --> 00:02:08.259 to definitely keep an eye on. And the main event, 00:02:08.460 --> 00:02:11.919 Magomed Ankolaev. The current light heavyweight 00:02:11.919 --> 00:02:15.580 champ is fighting the previous champ, Alex Pajero. 00:02:16.639 --> 00:02:21.819 And AP is all action. Typically. Might be good. 00:02:21.960 --> 00:02:24.060 Might be bad. Might just be what happened last 00:02:24.060 --> 00:02:26.719 time. Might be a knockout. You never know. Tune 00:02:26.719 --> 00:02:30.599 in. Yeah. I got Isaac to write us a boxing fan's 00:02:30.599 --> 00:02:33.979 guide. So he wrote it for the top three fights. 00:02:34.860 --> 00:02:40.379 Let's see. Marab versus Sandhagen. This is a 00:02:40.379 --> 00:02:43.840 bantamweight fight. There will be wrestling involved, 00:02:44.099 --> 00:02:47.240 but Murab is high octane, perhaps the most outrageous 00:02:47.240 --> 00:02:50.599 gas tank in combat sports history. Sandhagen 00:02:50.599 --> 00:02:53.159 is a fun and creative striker, but unless he 00:02:53.159 --> 00:02:55.699 finds a KO shot or a big knee, it'll be hard 00:02:55.699 --> 00:02:58.500 for him to win. I'd tune into this if you can 00:02:58.500 --> 00:03:06.120 tolerate some wrestling. Moving up, he had Yuri 00:03:06.120 --> 00:03:09.789 Proska. and Khalil Rountree as well. His words, 00:03:09.949 --> 00:03:12.550 high likelihood of being a fun scrap with a KO. 00:03:12.909 --> 00:03:16.590 Probably little to no wrestling. I'd say must 00:03:16.590 --> 00:03:36.939 watch. You're a box fan. 100%. And... The main 00:03:36.939 --> 00:03:40.960 event, Ankalayev versus Pajero 2. His words, 00:03:41.139 --> 00:03:43.960 I'm 50 -50 on if this fight will be fun or not, 00:03:44.080 --> 00:03:46.699 but I'd say turn it on if you have nothing else 00:03:46.699 --> 00:03:50.500 to watch or do. Ankalayev could wrestle a bit, 00:03:50.520 --> 00:03:53.819 so beware. Both have good striking, with Pajero 00:03:53.819 --> 00:04:01.060 having good KO power. So there it is. That's 00:04:01.060 --> 00:04:09.960 Isaac's Boxing Fans Guide. Let's get into the 00:04:09.960 --> 00:04:11.759 recaps because we do have a little bit to get 00:04:11.759 --> 00:04:17.939 through. We're digging back to early or early 00:04:17.939 --> 00:04:23.379 mid -September. Do you remember the ring card? 00:04:24.300 --> 00:04:28.000 What is it like? The underdog or something like 00:04:28.000 --> 00:04:32.319 that? The underdog? What do you mean? That's 00:04:32.319 --> 00:04:34.740 just what they called the card was the underdog. 00:04:35.300 --> 00:04:40.050 Or is that the boxing Grand Prix? No. It was 00:04:40.050 --> 00:04:44.230 Fontainebleau, Anthony Olasquaga stops Juan Carlos 00:04:44.230 --> 00:04:47.529 Camacho. When you say the fighters, I don't remember. 00:04:48.550 --> 00:04:53.649 Anthony Olasquaga and the good up -and -comers. 00:04:54.310 --> 00:04:58.170 See what happens in the future. WBO flyweight 00:04:58.170 --> 00:05:05.389 title. My man's tearing it up. Moving to September 00:05:05.389 --> 00:05:07.970 13th. Yeah, we already talked about Crawford 00:05:07.970 --> 00:05:10.649 beating Canelo. We have the whole episode about 00:05:10.649 --> 00:05:13.149 it. We talked about practically nothing else. 00:05:13.910 --> 00:05:16.629 The ending of boxing. This is actually the first 00:05:16.629 --> 00:05:20.050 podcast of the new era. It is. The new era of 00:05:20.050 --> 00:05:22.089 boxing. And we'll get to that soon. Why it's 00:05:22.089 --> 00:05:27.649 the new era. All right. So Matchroom was on at 00:05:27.649 --> 00:05:31.529 the Windsor Park in Belfast. A few fights here. 00:05:32.879 --> 00:05:36.600 Josh alluded to it. Molly McCann making her boxing 00:05:36.600 --> 00:05:43.300 debut stops Kate Radomska in the sixth. Takes 00:05:43.300 --> 00:05:47.579 a fucking front kick. Shit was super blatant. 00:05:47.639 --> 00:05:50.040 I went back to rewatch just to remind myself. 00:05:50.319 --> 00:05:53.399 Wild. Holy shit. How the fuck did the ref miss 00:05:53.399 --> 00:05:58.759 that? I have no idea. Paid him off. With all 00:05:58.759 --> 00:06:01.540 that fucking money. I don't know how they got 00:06:01.540 --> 00:06:04.639 away with it. It's wild. Yeah, I couldn't even 00:06:04.639 --> 00:06:08.519 begin to guess how she got away with that. It 00:06:08.519 --> 00:06:11.660 has to be like some biased bullshit that they 00:06:11.660 --> 00:06:16.339 have over there. Molly McCann, I think, is from 00:06:16.339 --> 00:06:21.300 Liverpool. And they were in Ireland. I don't 00:06:21.300 --> 00:06:25.199 know. Maybe it was that. I say this like one 00:06:25.199 --> 00:06:26.800 of our fighters didn't take a knee in the middle 00:06:26.800 --> 00:06:32.199 of a fight. Who knows? Ref's always on some silly 00:06:32.199 --> 00:06:35.019 shit. I was talking about that with Shanada on 00:06:35.019 --> 00:06:39.939 the Boxing Before Dark episode. Like, every time 00:06:39.939 --> 00:06:42.680 it comes up, I always get fucking tilted. Every 00:06:42.680 --> 00:06:45.199 single time. Yeah, it's some bullshit. Why the 00:06:45.199 --> 00:06:46.319 fuck are you going to take a knee in the middle 00:06:46.319 --> 00:06:49.160 of a fight? Yeah. You know? Fucking Roach did 00:06:49.160 --> 00:06:52.639 that. God forbid, you know? But, yeah. I'm going 00:06:52.639 --> 00:06:55.680 to start. Oh, yeah. We'll rule the knockout. 00:06:55.920 --> 00:07:00.370 Fucking. By over... Fuck, dude. I'll tell you. 00:07:01.750 --> 00:07:03.850 I'm going to get mad right now. I can't get mad. 00:07:03.990 --> 00:07:06.430 I can't get mad. We're not talking about tanking 00:07:06.430 --> 00:07:07.250 today. We're not talking about tanking right 00:07:07.250 --> 00:07:10.970 now. Not right now. Moving up the bill, Pat Brown. 00:07:11.550 --> 00:07:15.949 He's a British Olympian. TKO2 over Austin Nnamdi. 00:07:16.910 --> 00:07:22.899 It was a pretty weird stoppage. Pat Brown tagged 00:07:22.899 --> 00:07:26.579 him, and it was clean, and his legs wobbled. 00:07:26.600 --> 00:07:31.740 He was on skates. But he backed up into the ropes, 00:07:31.800 --> 00:07:33.759 and he looked like he had his wits about him. 00:07:34.459 --> 00:07:38.379 So it's, I don't know, kind of questionable, 00:07:38.439 --> 00:07:40.639 I guess, when you're the ref making a split -second 00:07:40.639 --> 00:07:46.740 decision. See, that's understandable. The thing, 00:07:46.800 --> 00:07:48.420 we were talking about this before the pod, too. 00:07:48.459 --> 00:07:52.069 Pat Brown, he's not a... He's kind of building 00:07:52.069 --> 00:07:54.129 himself up. Yeah, he's got a tear. And honestly, 00:07:54.250 --> 00:07:55.509 he's kind of looking good. I'm not going to lie. 00:07:56.490 --> 00:08:01.329 For how he started, where he's at, he was in 00:08:01.329 --> 00:08:04.990 the Olympics. He looks pretty good. I wouldn't 00:08:04.990 --> 00:08:07.769 say he passed the eye test so far, but he's been 00:08:07.769 --> 00:08:10.829 active. And at the very least, he seems like 00:08:10.829 --> 00:08:15.550 a fighter that will be good on undercards for 00:08:15.550 --> 00:08:18.490 the next couple of years. Yeah, he's doing the 00:08:18.490 --> 00:08:22.399 thing like... moses atama just staying active 00:08:22.399 --> 00:08:25.040 and you may not look the best but you're still 00:08:25.040 --> 00:08:28.139 in like the infancy of your career so exactly 00:08:28.139 --> 00:08:30.879 yeah you're gonna have some spots that need improving 00:08:30.879 --> 00:08:33.399 especially as you're transitioning from the amateur 00:08:33.399 --> 00:08:37.940 style to the pros which it's gotten better it's 00:08:37.940 --> 00:08:40.700 been the transition has become easier since they've 00:08:40.700 --> 00:08:43.820 adapted the amateur style the amateur rule set 00:08:43.820 --> 00:08:50.669 to more replicate the pros but still Back in 00:08:50.669 --> 00:08:53.509 the day, you'd see fucking Olympic fighters fail 00:08:53.509 --> 00:08:55.889 in the pros all the time. I mean, you still see 00:08:55.889 --> 00:08:57.350 it, but it was a lot more prevalent back in the 00:08:57.350 --> 00:09:01.250 day. Yeah, definitely. What was it? 1984 Olympics, 00:09:01.490 --> 00:09:05.450 right? That was the team, right? The 1984 Olympics. 00:09:05.769 --> 00:09:09.269 Oh, the dream team? The dream team. The majority 00:09:09.269 --> 00:09:12.830 of them, they didn't really make it in the pros. 00:09:13.990 --> 00:09:15.289 Half of them didn't make it in the pros. Not 00:09:15.289 --> 00:09:18.110 the majority, but half of them. Mark Breland 00:09:18.110 --> 00:09:23.269 was... Famous case, you know. I'll tell you. 00:09:23.669 --> 00:09:25.370 Nowadays, like Lomachenko, you have Lomachenko 00:09:25.370 --> 00:09:30.250 coming out. Fucking Anthony Joshua. Omari Jones 00:09:30.250 --> 00:09:32.830 seems to be doing pretty good for himself. Yeah, 00:09:32.870 --> 00:09:36.470 he's still starting off too, right? Yeah, Omari 00:09:36.470 --> 00:09:39.470 Jones. And he looks pretty solid, you know. Marco 00:09:39.470 --> 00:09:42.990 Verde as well. A lot of fighters coming out of 00:09:42.990 --> 00:09:46.649 the Olympics that are looking good so far. You 00:09:46.649 --> 00:09:51.210 know, Ken Jenkins, you know. How would you say 00:09:51.210 --> 00:09:55.409 Joe Joyce did? Joe Joyce did? Well, to be honest, 00:09:55.549 --> 00:09:57.509 he didn't have a bad career. He fought everybody, 00:09:57.769 --> 00:09:59.830 you know? Yeah. Joe Joyce has fought a lot of 00:09:59.830 --> 00:10:02.490 guys, you know? Yeah, I was thinking he had a 00:10:02.490 --> 00:10:06.210 good run. Yeah, Joe Joyce had a good run. I mean, 00:10:06.230 --> 00:10:08.909 yeah, you see what you will about his career. 00:10:09.509 --> 00:10:11.210 But the man knocked out Danny Dubois, you know? 00:10:11.409 --> 00:10:14.490 Danny Dubois was a champion, so. I mean. And 00:10:14.490 --> 00:10:17.440 Dubois went on to some pretty good heights. Exactly, 00:10:17.480 --> 00:10:19.559 yes. I mean, it really depends on how you'd rate 00:10:19.559 --> 00:10:21.639 a fighter yourself. I mean, I would rate Joe 00:10:21.639 --> 00:10:25.740 Joyce, you know, in like a B -tier type of fighter, 00:10:25.779 --> 00:10:29.919 you know, when in his heyday. Right now, I don't 00:10:29.919 --> 00:10:34.559 know. He's like Dylan White level, but... When 00:10:34.559 --> 00:10:36.940 in his heyday, he was pretty all right. He was 00:10:36.940 --> 00:10:41.379 all right. Let's move up here. Tyrone McKenna 00:10:41.379 --> 00:10:45.960 stops Dylan Moran in the seventh. This is one 00:10:45.960 --> 00:10:48.659 that I wanted to point out specifically. It's 00:10:48.659 --> 00:10:53.399 Agiarko gets the split decision over Ishmael 00:10:53.399 --> 00:10:57.019 Davis. This motherfucker's name is spelled C 00:10:57.019 --> 00:11:02.039 -A -O -I -M -H -I -N and it's Keevan. Keevan, 00:11:02.080 --> 00:11:06.120 really? Out of my fucking mind. I cannot wrap 00:11:06.120 --> 00:11:09.019 my head around that. The Irish do some weird 00:11:09.019 --> 00:11:14.210 shit. Even Michael Key? Yep. Sorry, I had to 00:11:14.210 --> 00:11:17.970 throw that in there. What is that? I'm not too 00:11:17.970 --> 00:11:19.710 familiar with this game. What is he, like a... 00:11:19.710 --> 00:11:22.470 I know Ishmael Davis is a 154 -pounder, right? 00:11:22.970 --> 00:11:25.950 Yeah, it was a 154 -pound fight. It was a good 00:11:25.950 --> 00:11:30.870 scrap. It was just... I felt he was getting a 00:11:30.870 --> 00:11:35.669 lot of the cleaner work done. But there was a 00:11:35.669 --> 00:11:38.870 lot of smothering happening. And I think Davis 00:11:38.870 --> 00:11:42.649 was the worst for wear for it. Makes sense. I 00:11:42.649 --> 00:11:44.669 mean, that guy, same thing with Ishmael Davis. 00:11:44.730 --> 00:11:47.009 He's kind of more of like a Giovanni Cabrera 00:11:47.009 --> 00:11:49.210 type of fighter. Kind of like a step -up fighter, 00:11:49.289 --> 00:11:51.629 you know? Yeah. Guys kind of come up, we'll fight 00:11:51.629 --> 00:11:56.029 them. You know? They could do a rematch. It wouldn't 00:11:56.029 --> 00:12:01.350 be terrible. Yeah, I mean, would I want to see 00:12:01.350 --> 00:12:05.230 a rematch? I don't know. But, I mean, there's 00:12:05.230 --> 00:12:10.299 nothing going on. Fuck it, I'll watch it. Not 00:12:10.299 --> 00:12:12.860 a lot about that, but I'm soon. Got to wait a 00:12:12.860 --> 00:12:16.179 couple weeks. Liz Crocker. Split decision question 00:12:16.179 --> 00:12:19.179 mark is how I have it written down. Over Patty 00:12:19.179 --> 00:12:24.019 Donovan. IBF welterweight title was on the line. 00:12:24.120 --> 00:12:29.240 Yeah, it was. Not like the first at all. No. 00:12:29.940 --> 00:12:33.720 In the first one, Donovan was in trouble. If 00:12:33.720 --> 00:12:35.879 I'm remembering it correctly, it was Donovan 00:12:35.879 --> 00:12:38.940 that was in trouble. Pretty much the entire time. 00:12:41.059 --> 00:12:43.940 You remember correctly, yeah. He was on skates 00:12:43.940 --> 00:12:46.779 for a good amount of the fight. Yeah, and then 00:12:46.779 --> 00:12:52.220 Crocker got that unfortunate DQ. This time, it 00:12:52.220 --> 00:12:54.500 seems like Paddy Donovan made... I think he made 00:12:54.500 --> 00:12:57.980 a lot of the right adjustments. He boxed this 00:12:57.980 --> 00:13:00.720 beautifully. I still have the replay running 00:13:00.720 --> 00:13:04.320 right next to me. And he's boxing really smart. 00:13:04.419 --> 00:13:09.649 He's fighting behind his jab. I'm not sure how 00:13:09.649 --> 00:13:12.610 he lost. I don't see how he lost. Even a split 00:13:12.610 --> 00:13:15.789 decision, you could say, sure, it's close. The 00:13:15.789 --> 00:13:17.730 judges had it close. But I don't see it having 00:13:17.730 --> 00:13:21.250 been close enough to warrant that. Yeah. Yeah. 00:13:22.070 --> 00:13:24.450 I mean, I agree with you 100%. I mean, he looked 00:13:24.450 --> 00:13:26.750 pretty solid for the type of fighter he is, you 00:13:26.750 --> 00:13:30.769 know? Was it a good fight? It was all right. 00:13:30.889 --> 00:13:34.970 It was all right. Yeah, but I mean, I can't explain 00:13:34.970 --> 00:13:37.700 why the judges did it. I always like to throw 00:13:37.700 --> 00:13:40.500 around the word robbery. You know, like... At 00:13:40.500 --> 00:13:42.580 some point, it is kind of like a landerized word 00:13:42.580 --> 00:13:45.460 I've been using a lot on here, but... I wouldn't 00:13:45.460 --> 00:13:49.299 necessarily call it a robbery, but... No. It's 00:13:49.299 --> 00:13:51.419 just a little... It's a little pitchy. I'm not 00:13:51.419 --> 00:13:54.740 gonna lie. I need some explanation. I think that's 00:13:54.740 --> 00:13:57.899 a good way to put it. I try to reserve use of 00:13:57.899 --> 00:14:01.539 the word, like, robbery and super fight, that 00:14:01.539 --> 00:14:04.480 type of shit, just so that when we do use it, 00:14:04.519 --> 00:14:08.139 it has a lot more... Gravity. Per se, yeah. It's 00:14:08.139 --> 00:14:10.679 like when you swear. Yeah, we do it a lot. Like 00:14:10.679 --> 00:14:15.899 when you swear, you know? Yeah. Yeah, well. Lewis 00:14:15.899 --> 00:14:18.559 Crocker gets the dub. I hope they do it again. 00:14:19.799 --> 00:14:23.340 I think Patti Donovan deserves it. But we'll 00:14:23.340 --> 00:14:26.500 see what Lewis Crocker wants to do. Well, Lewis 00:14:26.500 --> 00:14:28.779 Crocker's with Mashroom, right? I believe he 00:14:28.779 --> 00:14:31.179 is the Mashroom fighter. Are they both in Mashroom? 00:14:31.769 --> 00:14:35.409 I'm pretty sure Crocker is. Not sure about Patty 00:14:35.409 --> 00:14:40.470 Donovan. Yeah, so that is gonna... That's gonna 00:14:40.470 --> 00:14:43.509 stay there for a while, I'm not gonna lie. Because 00:14:43.509 --> 00:14:46.710 at Welterweight, they have what? Arios, Roley, 00:14:46.889 --> 00:14:53.350 Bryan, and Crocker. One of these is not... Crocker. 00:14:54.389 --> 00:14:57.639 Yeah. That's Barrios because he got beat by an 00:14:57.639 --> 00:15:02.580 old man Pacquiao. You would rate... You know, 00:15:02.620 --> 00:15:05.360 I honestly think I would rate Crocker over Barrios. 00:15:05.919 --> 00:15:08.379 100 % I would rate Crocker over Barrios. For 00:15:08.379 --> 00:15:10.620 Barrios to lose like... Well, he didn't lose, 00:15:10.720 --> 00:15:13.700 but to me he lost. In my eyes and the eyes of 00:15:13.700 --> 00:15:17.259 a lot of fans. He lost to Manny Pacquiao. Alright, 00:15:17.340 --> 00:15:20.379 so... I think Crocker with the way he fought 00:15:20.379 --> 00:15:23.779 in that fight, I think he... I think he would. 00:15:23.820 --> 00:15:26.379 I think it would be Barrios, in my opinion. In 00:15:26.379 --> 00:15:31.480 my humble opinion. Breaking news. WBC world title 00:15:31.480 --> 00:15:37.419 is vacant on BoxRec. What? Or which division? 00:15:37.559 --> 00:15:39.120 What are you talking about? WBC welterweight 00:15:39.120 --> 00:15:42.860 title. Well, what? Is vacant on BoxRec. Wait, 00:15:43.039 --> 00:15:45.759 wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Is Mario Barrios 00:15:45.759 --> 00:15:50.360 vacant? I don't know. Just now. I don't know. 00:15:50.360 --> 00:15:52.850 Are you kidding me? Are you kidding me? What 00:15:52.850 --> 00:15:55.649 the hell? What the fuck? I'm checking the WBC 00:15:55.649 --> 00:15:59.889 site because that is... There's no way that Mario 00:15:59.889 --> 00:16:01.809 Party vacated that fucking title in the middle 00:16:01.809 --> 00:16:04.389 of this damn podcast. We're literally the TMZ 00:16:04.389 --> 00:16:05.950 of fucking Mario Party. He's still the champion. 00:16:06.269 --> 00:16:09.309 He's still listed as the champ. Oh, so then why 00:16:09.309 --> 00:16:11.470 is it vacated, though? Why is it vacated? Why 00:16:11.470 --> 00:16:15.649 does BoxRec have it vacated? I don't know. Well, 00:16:15.690 --> 00:16:19.250 it's not like people cared when Virgil... Remember 00:16:19.250 --> 00:16:24.610 the thing with Virgil? box trick with it no i 00:16:24.610 --> 00:16:29.389 don't i think i think virgil had um they overturned 00:16:29.389 --> 00:16:32.450 that fight with um with boachuk and the fans 00:16:32.450 --> 00:16:35.850 went crazy and nobody's looking at mario body's 00:16:35.850 --> 00:16:38.210 box trick like fucking every day like unlike 00:16:38.210 --> 00:16:40.889 virgil you know i just pulled it up because i 00:16:40.889 --> 00:16:46.549 wanted to see who the title holders were um it's 00:16:46.549 --> 00:16:50.019 like we have Like, it still has Jaron Ennis as 00:16:50.019 --> 00:16:54.700 number one in the division. Oh, in the motorway? 00:16:54.779 --> 00:16:57.399 That's weird. Yeah. Yeah, that's weird. He's 00:16:57.399 --> 00:17:02.279 not even there anymore. The IBO title is Tulani 00:17:02.279 --> 00:17:08.599 Mbengue. Oh, boy. I can't wait for... The unification. 00:17:09.519 --> 00:17:14.160 The big unification with Brian Norman. Oh, yeah? 00:17:14.700 --> 00:17:25.670 IBO, WBO? All those? Man, I feel bad for Patty 00:17:25.670 --> 00:17:30.210 Donovan. He didn't fight like a... The Irish 00:17:30.210 --> 00:17:33.069 come to rumble. They come to rumble like Mexicans 00:17:33.069 --> 00:17:38.470 do. And he fought really smart. And I feel bad. 00:17:38.569 --> 00:17:42.650 I really want him to get another shot. One day, 00:17:42.730 --> 00:17:45.079 if he fights smart... Again, the division right 00:17:45.079 --> 00:17:48.079 now is really light. I mean, they have Roley 00:17:48.079 --> 00:17:51.420 and Barrios as two of the champions, two of the 00:17:51.420 --> 00:17:54.380 four champions. I mean, honestly, again, I keep 00:17:54.380 --> 00:17:56.359 blazing him, but Brian Norman Jr. is the best. 00:17:56.440 --> 00:17:58.880 He is. Currently the best welterweight in that 00:17:58.880 --> 00:18:00.279 division, but at the same time, it's like, well, 00:18:00.400 --> 00:18:04.660 after Spence and Crawford and all the PBC guys 00:18:04.660 --> 00:18:08.099 kind of retired, the division has kind of turned 00:18:08.099 --> 00:18:12.710 into middleweight in a sense, you know? I mean, 00:18:12.730 --> 00:18:15.509 the thing is that the most popular guys in that 00:18:15.509 --> 00:18:18.730 division are not even champions. It's Ryan Garcia. 00:18:19.329 --> 00:18:24.730 It is Devin Haney. And soon, it's going to be 00:18:24.730 --> 00:18:28.490 Tiofimo Lopez, hopefully. You know, move up. 00:18:28.950 --> 00:18:32.130 Hopefully. Yeah. But those guys are not even 00:18:32.130 --> 00:18:34.569 champions. I feel like, in my opinion, I feel 00:18:34.569 --> 00:18:37.630 like we're going to try to make... We can talk 00:18:37.630 --> 00:18:40.819 about this another day, but... I saw something 00:18:40.819 --> 00:18:45.539 the other day, a little news article saying that 00:18:45.539 --> 00:18:47.779 Dave Benavidez and Devin Haney were planning 00:18:47.779 --> 00:18:51.180 a doubleheader in Riyadh in February. Really? 00:18:52.099 --> 00:18:55.819 You didn't see that? No. Yeah, they're planning 00:18:55.819 --> 00:18:58.700 a doubleheader with fucking Devin Haney and David 00:18:58.700 --> 00:19:01.960 Benavidez in Riyadh in February, which is kind 00:19:01.960 --> 00:19:03.700 of bullshit because Devin Haney hasn't even fought 00:19:03.700 --> 00:19:06.500 yet. He hasn't even beaten Brian Norman Jr. Why 00:19:06.500 --> 00:19:08.539 are they planning him as a co -main already? 00:19:09.689 --> 00:19:11.390 If you're going to give some of the co -main, 00:19:11.450 --> 00:19:14.349 shouldn't you give it to the champion? The reigning 00:19:14.349 --> 00:19:17.430 champ? Yeah, if you're going to look ahead of 00:19:17.430 --> 00:19:20.430 it, then you should give it to the champ, not 00:19:20.430 --> 00:19:23.670 to a challenger. Not to a challenger without 00:19:23.670 --> 00:19:26.690 a title who has a loss. And who isn't all that 00:19:26.690 --> 00:19:30.970 popular either. It's not like he's famous or 00:19:30.970 --> 00:19:34.349 anything. He gets priority because he's a bigger 00:19:34.349 --> 00:19:38.089 money name. Well, he has a bigger money name 00:19:38.089 --> 00:19:39.750 than I would say Brian Norman Jr., but at the 00:19:39.750 --> 00:19:42.490 same time, it's like, well, why are you putting 00:19:42.490 --> 00:19:44.309 him there instead of Brian Norman Jr., who is 00:19:44.309 --> 00:19:47.630 the champion, who is a more exciting fighter 00:19:47.630 --> 00:19:51.390 at the end of the day? To me, it looks like they're 00:19:51.390 --> 00:19:53.349 planning some bullshit. I can already see them 00:19:53.349 --> 00:19:55.450 a mile away. They're planning some bullshit with 00:19:55.450 --> 00:19:57.269 that fucking fight. Oh, they're going to drop 00:19:57.269 --> 00:20:00.190 Norman. I feel like they might just drop Norman. 00:20:00.289 --> 00:20:01.769 If it goes this way, they might just drop Norman. 00:20:02.299 --> 00:20:04.180 And, again, maybe he could outbox him. I'm not 00:20:04.180 --> 00:20:05.980 saying he's not going to outbox him. It's a possibility. 00:20:06.319 --> 00:20:09.619 But the fact they're already planning that shit 00:20:09.619 --> 00:20:12.339 shows me they're planning to job him. And, I 00:20:12.339 --> 00:20:14.940 mean, people that watch this podcast, they can 00:20:14.940 --> 00:20:17.740 say all they want about my fucking takes. But 00:20:17.740 --> 00:20:20.880 the one thing I stand by, I think a lot of people 00:20:20.880 --> 00:20:24.500 will agree, is that a lot of the time I'm not 00:20:24.500 --> 00:20:26.259 wrong when it comes to fighters getting jobs. 00:20:26.920 --> 00:20:31.069 Okay? There's one thing I'm alright with predicting. 00:20:31.190 --> 00:20:34.089 It's fighters getting jobbed. I knew Adama was 00:20:34.089 --> 00:20:35.650 going to get jobbed. I knew Roach was going to 00:20:35.650 --> 00:20:39.529 get jobbed. I know. I just have a thing. I don't 00:20:39.529 --> 00:20:42.150 know why. You guys remember how I tried to talk 00:20:42.150 --> 00:20:45.230 about how Crawford was about to get jobbed. He 00:20:45.230 --> 00:20:47.809 almost got jobbed that fight. What was it? 115 00:20:47.809 --> 00:20:50.529 -113? Bullshit. Yeah, I don't know about all 00:20:50.529 --> 00:20:54.589 that. 115 -113 business. Yeah, that's a bull 00:20:54.589 --> 00:20:57.950 jive, right? They were going to drop Crawford. 00:20:58.400 --> 00:21:01.819 But they couldn't. You know? Either way, I'm 00:21:01.819 --> 00:21:05.400 pretty good with this job and shit. You know? 00:21:05.519 --> 00:21:07.339 Mario Barrio's mini Pacquiao. I knew that shit 00:21:07.339 --> 00:21:11.700 was going to happen too. You know? It just... 00:21:11.700 --> 00:21:14.960 I know. He's got that fucking six million they're 00:21:14.960 --> 00:21:18.240 going to job. Brian Norman Jr. Which hurts me 00:21:18.240 --> 00:21:20.819 because that's... He's a lot... I would much 00:21:20.819 --> 00:21:22.880 rather watch a Brian Norman Jr. fight than a 00:21:22.880 --> 00:21:25.819 Devin Haney fight. And that's my two -piece. 00:21:26.339 --> 00:21:31.329 Yeah, that's my two -piece biscuit. Yeah, let's 00:21:31.329 --> 00:21:36.269 keep it rolling. Into Sunday, September 14th, 00:21:36.269 --> 00:21:40.730 Ohashi promotions at the IG Arena in Nagoya. 00:21:41.809 --> 00:21:46.750 Two things from this one. What the hell was that? 00:21:49.630 --> 00:21:57.700 What was that? That was weird. Christian Medina 00:21:57.700 --> 00:22:02.200 stops Yoshiki Takei in four to claim the WBO 00:22:02.200 --> 00:22:07.980 bantamweight title. Beatdown. Interesting beatdown 00:22:07.980 --> 00:22:10.819 with that. Takei was on his bike, like, from 00:22:10.819 --> 00:22:14.740 the beginning. He felt that fucking Mexican power. 00:22:15.839 --> 00:22:19.180 Yeah, I mean... He wasn't having it. That rivalry 00:22:19.180 --> 00:22:22.160 between the Mexican and the Japanese are on the 00:22:22.160 --> 00:22:27.140 rise soon. It's coming up. It is. We'll talk 00:22:27.140 --> 00:22:30.240 about it another day, but I mean, Picasso and 00:22:30.240 --> 00:22:34.039 Inouye, most likely a possibility for December. 00:22:35.859 --> 00:22:38.180 Oh, that's pretty sure it is. Yeah, I was about 00:22:38.180 --> 00:22:42.559 to say, I'm pretty sure it is. But that rivalry 00:22:42.559 --> 00:22:46.559 between Mexicans and Japanese, it's getting heated, 00:22:46.720 --> 00:22:53.920 Makai. Naoya Inouye, speaking of. UD over Murojan 00:22:53.920 --> 00:23:00.819 Akhmadaliev. From what I remember, just the sound, 00:23:00.859 --> 00:23:04.480 boxing, Murojan did not have a lot of answers 00:23:04.480 --> 00:23:10.359 and did not pose a whole lot of questions that 00:23:10.359 --> 00:23:14.200 Naoya Inoue couldn't answer. So, I don't know. 00:23:14.559 --> 00:23:18.539 Not much more to it, I think. Well, something 00:23:18.539 --> 00:23:20.319 you can't say, it was not a fucking top rank. 00:23:20.700 --> 00:23:25.319 It was not a fucking... Broadcasted live. That 00:23:25.319 --> 00:23:27.700 was on Facebook. What the hell was that about? 00:23:28.000 --> 00:23:30.319 Out of all the places they could have posted 00:23:30.319 --> 00:23:33.859 that, got in Facebook. That is fucking weird. 00:23:34.079 --> 00:23:37.460 You know? When was the last time a big fight 00:23:37.460 --> 00:23:40.640 like that was posted on Facebook? If ever. You 00:23:40.640 --> 00:23:43.279 know? The last thing that I remember ever being 00:23:43.279 --> 00:23:46.880 hosted on Facebook was Golden Boy Fight Nights. 00:23:48.480 --> 00:23:52.150 Like their smaller prospect cards. That's pretty 00:23:52.150 --> 00:23:55.930 much it. And that was, I don't even know how 00:23:55.930 --> 00:24:00.490 long ago. Ages, before COVID. Before COVID, yeah. 00:24:02.609 --> 00:24:05.910 Fucking crazy, you know? They say that, how many 00:24:05.910 --> 00:24:07.849 people, like 40 million, not 40 million, that's 00:24:07.849 --> 00:24:12.190 crazy. Like 2 million people were watching. Were 00:24:12.190 --> 00:24:15.009 there? Well, they said like an absurd amount 00:24:15.009 --> 00:24:16.509 of people were watching the fight. I was like, 00:24:16.549 --> 00:24:18.089 I don't even think there's that many people still 00:24:18.089 --> 00:24:28.039 using Facebook. So we know for, in a way, we 00:24:28.039 --> 00:24:33.980 know that Picasso is next. That's December 26th 00:24:33.980 --> 00:24:41.940 or 27th. I don't remember which. 27th. What's 00:24:41.940 --> 00:24:49.279 next for MJ? MJ shoots. I don't know, but for 00:24:49.279 --> 00:24:50.859 how many years have they been calling for this 00:24:50.859 --> 00:24:53.420 fight, the MJ fight? At least two. How many years? 00:24:54.029 --> 00:24:56.130 At least two, and it ended up happening like 00:24:56.130 --> 00:25:00.369 that. Yeah. You could have done better, dude. 00:25:00.529 --> 00:25:04.170 Could have done anything to make that, make yourself 00:25:04.170 --> 00:25:09.809 worthy of that slot. Yeah. But he was just, that 00:25:09.809 --> 00:25:13.890 was a bull, Jevin Makalai. Yeah, rematched Topalos. 00:25:14.910 --> 00:25:17.250 I really thought that MJ was going to do better. 00:25:17.309 --> 00:25:20.670 I did too. But at least a better fight, you know. 00:25:21.089 --> 00:25:22.930 Even if he got knocked out, you know, even just. 00:25:23.450 --> 00:25:25.269 Could have put him in a better fight. But he 00:25:25.269 --> 00:25:32.329 didn't. Yeah. I mean, he didn't get knocked out. 00:25:32.490 --> 00:25:35.490 No, he didn't. But I was one of the people that 00:25:35.490 --> 00:25:39.829 was saying that even though MJ lost to Topalas, 00:25:39.829 --> 00:25:43.549 that it's still a good fight. MJ versus Inouye 00:25:43.549 --> 00:25:47.450 is still a good fight. And I was expecting better. 00:25:48.230 --> 00:25:50.789 Not sure how else to put it, but just better. 00:25:51.569 --> 00:25:54.230 Yeah, just... any way is better. I mean, again, 00:25:54.269 --> 00:25:56.109 Silver Lion being he didn't get knocked out, 00:25:56.230 --> 00:26:03.210 but does that even matter? You know? Yeah. I 00:26:03.210 --> 00:26:07.369 mean, I remember the Raymond Cardenas fight a 00:26:07.369 --> 00:26:09.670 lot more than that fucking MJ fight. Seriously. 00:26:11.029 --> 00:26:16.710 Seriously. Yeah. Granted, at the same time, I 00:26:16.710 --> 00:26:20.109 was still hyped high off the Crawford win, so 00:26:20.109 --> 00:26:28.039 there's that too. But still, I digress. Let's 00:26:28.039 --> 00:26:33.279 roll on. Fucking... This one, I'm going to skip 00:26:33.279 --> 00:26:37.319 over. It's the No Limit fight in Queensland, 00:26:37.599 --> 00:26:42.559 Australia, in Tennyson. Liam Parrow gets a UD 00:26:42.559 --> 00:26:46.200 over David Papo. I'm going to skip this one because 00:26:46.200 --> 00:26:50.180 on Boxing Before Dark, had a good conversation. 00:26:51.039 --> 00:26:56.079 With Jacob. He was there. And he rewatched it. 00:26:56.619 --> 00:26:59.960 And he gave a really good breakdown. And I will 00:26:59.960 --> 00:27:05.579 not do it justice. And I believe. By the time 00:27:05.579 --> 00:27:07.599 you're hearing this. That episode is already 00:27:07.599 --> 00:27:17.640 out. Saturday. September 20th. It's our last. 00:27:19.140 --> 00:27:26.029 Last things. I crashed out talking to Shenada 00:27:26.029 --> 00:27:28.450 about this one, so I'm going to try to keep my 00:27:28.450 --> 00:27:32.750 composure a little better here. Mickey Scala 00:27:32.750 --> 00:27:36.410 is a local prospect. His gym is actually not 00:27:36.410 --> 00:27:41.430 too far from where I live, and he got stopped 00:27:41.430 --> 00:27:48.750 in two by Jose Perdomo. Kind of an interesting 00:27:48.750 --> 00:27:54.279 outcome, you know? disappointing yeah it's funny 00:27:54.279 --> 00:27:57.779 but interesting to say at least that was i don't 00:27:57.779 --> 00:28:00.380 know they even hyping that guy up for some time 00:28:00.380 --> 00:28:03.019 you know yeah he's been one of their poster childs 00:28:03.019 --> 00:28:05.700 for a minute and this was supposed to be another 00:28:05.700 --> 00:28:10.660 showcase for him and he gets tagged once and 00:28:10.660 --> 00:28:13.819 then he just completely loses his mind and goes 00:28:13.819 --> 00:28:16.559 shells up and then just gets battered until it's 00:28:16.559 --> 00:28:20.940 stopped You'll probably get a rematch. Oh, yeah. 00:28:21.000 --> 00:28:22.660 They were immediately calling for the rematch. 00:28:23.019 --> 00:28:28.039 No doubt about it. I mean, a lot of those fights, 00:28:28.099 --> 00:28:29.680 I'm pretty sure, do have rematch clause, right? 00:28:29.740 --> 00:28:33.759 If they lose, you know? Oh, yeah. For the A -siders, 00:28:33.900 --> 00:28:39.900 I'm sure they get. They have the luxury. We over 00:28:39.900 --> 00:28:45.859 here on the B -side don't get that same courtesy 00:28:45.859 --> 00:28:54.960 extended. Never do. Moving on. Golden Boy at 00:28:54.960 --> 00:28:59.960 the Fantasy Springs Casino. Two fights on here 00:28:59.960 --> 00:29:03.420 I wanted to point out. Gabriela Fundora. Whoops. 00:29:03.700 --> 00:29:10.359 Alexis Kubicki. Just belt to ass. Bad, bad, bad. 00:29:10.599 --> 00:29:13.339 Beats her ass. Love Gabby. We love Gabby here. 00:29:13.900 --> 00:29:19.589 Big time Gabby gamers. She's looking to be greater 00:29:19.589 --> 00:29:21.230 than, in my opinion, she's looking to be greater 00:29:21.230 --> 00:29:24.849 than Clarissa. Give it a good couple years, five 00:29:24.849 --> 00:29:30.009 years, I think she'll pass Clarissa. She's going 00:29:30.009 --> 00:29:33.329 to have to do undisputed in a few divisions as 00:29:33.329 --> 00:29:35.829 well, if she wants to get herself into the conversation, 00:29:36.029 --> 00:29:39.529 I think. I think she can do it. She's skilled 00:29:39.529 --> 00:29:44.529 enough, I think. She is skilled enough, and she's 00:29:44.529 --> 00:29:49.359 tall, so... Well, no shit. But... I understand. 00:29:50.200 --> 00:29:55.259 She's got the frame to be able to move up. She's 00:29:55.259 --> 00:29:57.079 her brother. She's the version of her brother 00:29:57.079 --> 00:29:58.960 in that division, you know? Yeah, definitely. 00:29:59.339 --> 00:30:03.539 Paul and Linky. Most CMO fighters over there 00:30:03.539 --> 00:30:06.240 are like, what, 5 '3", 5 '4"? Something like 00:30:06.240 --> 00:30:17.069 that. Probably smaller. Yeah. Crazy. Main event. 00:30:18.289 --> 00:30:23.529 Oscar Collazo gets the corner. The corner pulls 00:30:23.529 --> 00:30:28.349 the plug on Jason Vason. I don't care what the 00:30:28.349 --> 00:30:31.329 broadcast team was saying. I'm saying Jason Vason. 00:30:34.569 --> 00:30:40.309 Jason the Jason. So there were some interesting. 00:30:41.450 --> 00:30:43.509 Something interesting about the stoppage was 00:30:43.509 --> 00:30:46.849 that the head coach did not pull the plug. It 00:30:46.849 --> 00:30:51.309 was the chief second. And the head coach was 00:30:51.309 --> 00:30:55.509 not pleased with the stoppage. Jason was not 00:30:55.509 --> 00:31:02.150 pleased with the stoppage. What else? Jason had 00:31:02.150 --> 00:31:07.430 fought as high as 115. He spent most of his career 00:31:07.430 --> 00:31:13.200 between 108 and 112. And so he's cut some... 00:31:13.200 --> 00:31:16.420 There was some, I don't know, rumor mill that 00:31:16.420 --> 00:31:22.940 he had a bad cut getting back down to 105. I 00:31:22.940 --> 00:31:24.640 don't know. I haven't heard about that. I haven't 00:31:24.640 --> 00:31:27.819 heard about that at all. Yeah, it's probably 00:31:27.819 --> 00:31:32.700 just rumor mill bullshit, but... I believe the 00:31:32.700 --> 00:31:34.220 115, but I don't know about the other stuff. 00:31:36.200 --> 00:31:40.140 Koyasu looked good. Yeah, bottom line, he looked 00:31:40.140 --> 00:31:42.640 solid. Yeah, he looked good. He had good angles. 00:31:43.059 --> 00:31:46.880 He looked like his usual self. He was in pretty 00:31:46.880 --> 00:31:49.900 good control. He was getting hit a little bit 00:31:49.900 --> 00:31:54.539 more than usual. I guess excluding that time 00:31:54.539 --> 00:31:58.279 he got knocked down, but other than that, he 00:31:58.279 --> 00:32:00.519 was getting hit a little bit more than usual. 00:32:01.640 --> 00:32:06.579 He took it well, but... I mean, Osprey was probably 00:32:06.579 --> 00:32:08.759 the most well -known guy in... That division, 00:32:08.920 --> 00:32:14.700 you know? By far. By far, yeah. But, I mean, 00:32:14.700 --> 00:32:17.220 I don't know. What do you think? Do you think 00:32:17.220 --> 00:32:19.599 Oscar Collazo is a bigger draw, being from the 00:32:19.599 --> 00:32:27.319 small division, or Gabby Fandora? Ooh. I would 00:32:27.319 --> 00:32:29.420 say Gabby, because she's got the Fandora name. 00:32:31.500 --> 00:32:41.349 I tend to agree with that statement. Yep. Anything 00:32:41.349 --> 00:32:45.769 more for Oscar or Gabby? Nope, they both did 00:32:45.769 --> 00:32:48.930 great. I expected them to do what they did. You 00:32:48.930 --> 00:32:53.130 know? Yeah. 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We 00:36:24.340 --> 00:36:28.389 do not have... A whole lot coming up this week. 00:36:30.329 --> 00:36:33.329 But we do have a lot of news that has come about. 00:36:36.550 --> 00:36:39.889 Ricky Hatton passed away. I know it's been a 00:36:39.889 --> 00:36:44.730 minute already. Nonetheless, he deserves his 00:36:44.730 --> 00:36:50.409 few minutes in the spotlight. Rest in peace to 00:36:50.409 --> 00:36:55.860 Ricky. Hell of a fighter. There was... An interesting 00:36:55.860 --> 00:37:00.000 question that Shanada and I kind of pored over 00:37:00.000 --> 00:37:09.360 was that Joe Calzaghe was voted as the best British 00:37:09.360 --> 00:37:14.179 boxer just of all time. Of all time, yeah. And 00:37:14.179 --> 00:37:17.760 I was arguing that Ricky Hatton was deserving 00:37:17.760 --> 00:37:21.559 of being in that conversation just because he 00:37:21.559 --> 00:37:25.510 was such a huge name. Everybody loved Ricky Hatton. 00:37:27.650 --> 00:37:31.090 I mean, he was probably the most well -known 00:37:31.090 --> 00:37:36.309 British fighter. I would say probably post -Eubank, 00:37:36.309 --> 00:37:41.789 pre -Joshua, you know? Yeah. For those couple 00:37:41.789 --> 00:37:47.409 of years in between, you know? Besides Lennox 00:37:47.409 --> 00:37:51.469 Lunas as well. But he doesn't count. No, I don't 00:37:51.469 --> 00:37:54.239 count Lennox Lunas as British. Yeah, yeah. He's 00:37:54.239 --> 00:37:59.000 not really British. But either way, post -Eubank, 00:37:59.019 --> 00:38:03.760 pre -Joshua, he was carrying the Brits. He was 00:38:03.760 --> 00:38:08.059 carrying the Brits. Like, Kawasaki got the wins. 00:38:09.639 --> 00:38:12.380 And, like, Ricky had his biggest fights. He lost. 00:38:14.480 --> 00:38:17.219 He was a hell of a fighter. Yeah, still a hell 00:38:17.219 --> 00:38:19.760 of a fighter. Hell of a fighter, you know? That's 00:38:19.760 --> 00:38:24.070 the thing. Like, Roberto Duran, right? His biggest 00:38:24.070 --> 00:38:28.730 fights, he lost to Thomas Hearns. He lost to 00:38:28.730 --> 00:38:32.329 Marvin Hagler. He lost to Sugar Leonard. But 00:38:32.329 --> 00:38:33.469 he's still considered one of the greatest of 00:38:33.469 --> 00:38:36.269 all time. For multiple reasons, but one of them 00:38:36.269 --> 00:38:39.289 being he always put up a great fight. You know? 00:38:39.389 --> 00:38:41.929 People love watching the guy. Same thing with 00:38:41.929 --> 00:38:44.610 Ricky Hatton. He was a hell of a fighter. Absolutely. 00:38:45.130 --> 00:38:48.610 He's not the typical great fighter. He was something 00:38:48.610 --> 00:38:53.860 else. You know? He went toe -to -toe with Prime 00:38:53.860 --> 00:38:57.840 Pacquiao. You gotta be some kind of lunatic. 00:38:58.679 --> 00:39:02.679 Yeah. Special kind of fucking crazy. With Prime 00:39:02.679 --> 00:39:07.320 Pacquiao, too. Yeah. You gotta respect his balls. 00:39:07.579 --> 00:39:12.619 Yeah. He had it. Yeah, he had a whole lot more 00:39:12.619 --> 00:39:18.239 than most other people. You know? And I say farewell 00:39:18.239 --> 00:39:29.610 to him. Yeah, farewell to Ricky Hatton. Peace, 00:39:29.610 --> 00:39:32.630 Ricky. Blessings up to his family, Campbell. 00:39:35.130 --> 00:39:44.150 All right. Moses Itauma rejects an IBF eliminator 00:39:44.150 --> 00:39:49.070 that would have put him into mandatory for Usyk. 00:39:50.909 --> 00:39:53.750 The IBF eliminator being Frank Sanchez, correct? 00:39:54.059 --> 00:39:58.780 I believe so. Yeah. I mean, I know I've been 00:39:58.780 --> 00:40:00.719 out here calling out for that Usyk fight, but 00:40:00.719 --> 00:40:02.320 honestly, this was the smartest decision he could 00:40:02.320 --> 00:40:06.139 make. That's rushing it way too fast. You know? 00:40:07.280 --> 00:40:08.960 Unless he's just going to fight Usyk right now, 00:40:08.960 --> 00:40:10.059 whether he's going to do some bullshit, I don't 00:40:10.059 --> 00:40:12.639 know. But either way, if he's not fighting Usyk, 00:40:12.679 --> 00:40:14.840 he's not fighting the IBF mandatory, then it's 00:40:14.840 --> 00:40:19.500 very smart. Get that experience in. Try to go, 00:40:19.599 --> 00:40:21.199 not try to go to the distance, but try to get 00:40:21.199 --> 00:40:24.380 some rounds in. before you get to even that mandatory 00:40:24.380 --> 00:40:28.460 level, you know? Before he hit the Adria Caballos, 00:40:28.559 --> 00:40:31.420 before he hit the Frank Sanchez, you know? Before 00:40:31.420 --> 00:40:33.420 he hit the Parkers. Those guys have been fighting 00:40:33.420 --> 00:40:38.079 since he was like 10 years old. You know? He's 00:40:38.079 --> 00:40:41.179 got to get some years in. Yeah, they've been 00:40:41.179 --> 00:40:44.019 on the world stage since he was like 10 years 00:40:44.019 --> 00:40:48.199 old. Exactly. I mean, when did Joe Parker become 00:40:48.199 --> 00:40:50.119 champ first? That was like around, what, 2016? 00:40:52.119 --> 00:40:56.159 2015? Yeah, around that time. Because that unification 00:40:56.159 --> 00:40:59.159 with Joshua was like 2017, 2018, right? Yes. 00:41:00.000 --> 00:41:03.980 Yeah. I mean, yeah, that was 10 years ago, man. 00:41:04.079 --> 00:41:07.579 That was 10 years ago. So you got to get some 00:41:07.579 --> 00:41:09.699 rounds in before you fight these veterans, you 00:41:09.699 --> 00:41:11.579 know? Of course, if you're different, you could 00:41:11.579 --> 00:41:14.119 just fight them to win. You know, if you're that 00:41:14.119 --> 00:41:20.000 guy. But we've... You got to play it safe. Build 00:41:20.000 --> 00:41:22.760 your way up. Fight a Vianello. Maybe even fight 00:41:22.760 --> 00:41:26.739 a Torres. He's doing good, but you can't rush 00:41:26.739 --> 00:41:30.059 greatness. I don't think that it's that Itama's 00:41:30.059 --> 00:41:32.820 not great or doesn't have the potential to be 00:41:32.820 --> 00:41:35.119 great. It's just that Usyk is a different fucking 00:41:35.119 --> 00:41:39.599 animal. And I don't think there's nothing that 00:41:39.599 --> 00:41:42.159 Itama has done to this point that would make 00:41:42.159 --> 00:41:47.460 me think he could even win a six -rounder. With 00:41:47.460 --> 00:41:52.099 Usyk. Oh, yeah. I think, again, like I said, 00:41:52.139 --> 00:41:54.980 if there's a guy that can beat Usyk, it's probably 00:41:54.980 --> 00:41:59.659 Mo Zatama. I think. My opinion. Power? But... 00:41:59.659 --> 00:42:05.139 Power? Are you saying with power? Yeah, with 00:42:05.139 --> 00:42:07.800 his power. Is that what it is? Well, yeah, with 00:42:07.800 --> 00:42:09.679 his power and his timing. You know, he seems 00:42:09.679 --> 00:42:12.920 to have pretty slick timing. Pretty good accuracy 00:42:12.920 --> 00:42:16.860 as well. He lands on Usyk. You never know. You 00:42:16.860 --> 00:42:20.079 know, again, his power is untested at this level. 00:42:20.820 --> 00:42:22.619 Yeah, he fought Dillian White, but it's Dillian 00:42:22.619 --> 00:42:24.079 White. He's that man's been knocked out multiple 00:42:24.079 --> 00:42:26.139 times. We got to see him knock out someone who 00:42:26.139 --> 00:42:27.960 hasn't been knocked out before. That's known 00:42:27.960 --> 00:42:30.360 to really know what kind of guy he is, you know. 00:42:30.980 --> 00:42:32.699 If he goes the distance with someone like Joseph 00:42:32.699 --> 00:42:35.260 Parker, let's say he fights Daniel Dubois. Daniel 00:42:35.260 --> 00:42:38.019 Dubois or Filip Hergovich. If he fights either 00:42:38.019 --> 00:42:39.920 one of those and doesn't knock him out, then 00:42:39.920 --> 00:42:42.360 you can kind of piece together where his power 00:42:42.360 --> 00:42:45.039 lies, you know. He still could be a stillful 00:42:45.039 --> 00:42:47.320 fighter, but that power is a great equalizer 00:42:47.320 --> 00:42:50.019 with Usyk. You know? Because otherwise, you're 00:42:50.019 --> 00:42:53.019 not beating Usyk. Usyk is the man at that division. 00:42:54.460 --> 00:42:58.440 You know what I mean? Yeah, absolutely. But yeah, 00:42:58.500 --> 00:43:01.420 I think it's smart of him to maybe just take 00:43:01.420 --> 00:43:04.340 it a little slower. You know? Let it develop. 00:43:04.460 --> 00:43:12.079 Don't rush it. Speaking of Usyk, who could be 00:43:12.079 --> 00:43:16.219 next for him? The posts that I found had Joseph 00:43:16.219 --> 00:43:21.059 Parker, Fabio Wardley, Tyson Fury, Anthony Joshua, 00:43:21.539 --> 00:43:26.400 Jake Paul. Well, Jake Paul's already fucking 00:43:26.400 --> 00:43:30.519 busy with a fucking tank. You can call that busy. 00:43:31.300 --> 00:43:39.550 Yeah. Even. I mean, best guy that... that deserves 00:43:39.550 --> 00:43:41.469 a shot, in my opinion, is Joseph Parker. Joe 00:43:41.469 --> 00:43:43.429 Parker absolutely deserved that shot with Usyk. 00:43:44.610 --> 00:43:48.750 I mean, Ajay Kabayel, yeah, he's pretty good, 00:43:48.809 --> 00:43:52.809 but I think that Joe Parker... Joe Parker's done 00:43:52.809 --> 00:43:57.230 more. Yeah, Joe Parker's done more. I mean, what? 00:43:57.929 --> 00:44:00.289 Ajay Kabayel, he just fought Big Bang Jang, right? 00:44:00.969 --> 00:44:02.809 That was... How many fights did it go for Joe 00:44:02.809 --> 00:44:06.309 Parker? That was the fight before his last? I 00:44:06.309 --> 00:44:08.809 think so. That was the fight before his last. 00:44:09.150 --> 00:44:14.829 I think he deserves it more. At the same time, 00:44:14.869 --> 00:44:17.909 I don't really consider Joe Parker the greatest 00:44:17.909 --> 00:44:20.670 heavyweight, but I can't help to like the guy. 00:44:20.789 --> 00:44:24.949 I can't help to not want to support him, not 00:44:24.949 --> 00:44:27.050 want to root for him. He seems to be a cool guy. 00:44:31.730 --> 00:44:33.329 Granted, will he win? I don't know. Probably 00:44:33.329 --> 00:44:37.519 not. That's yet to be seen. It's a different 00:44:37.519 --> 00:44:44.380 style than what Usyk has had to face. Yeah. Yeah, 00:44:44.380 --> 00:44:46.699 you're right. That's what I like about the matchup. 00:44:47.059 --> 00:44:49.659 Because with Fabio Wardley, it's just another 00:44:49.659 --> 00:44:53.480 big dude with big hands, right? Yeah. Just got 00:44:53.480 --> 00:44:55.980 to watch out and you'll survive. Joe Parker, 00:44:56.219 --> 00:44:59.840 he's a little interesting, you know? Granted, 00:44:59.980 --> 00:45:02.840 Usyk is the master adjuster. So, like I said, 00:45:02.980 --> 00:45:07.099 I can't really expect much. to be different. 00:45:12.099 --> 00:45:16.420 Speaking of AJ, well, we weren't really talking 00:45:16.420 --> 00:45:19.619 about him, but who's next for AJ? Throw his ass 00:45:19.619 --> 00:45:22.019 in there. Throw his fucking ass in there. Who's 00:45:22.019 --> 00:45:24.000 next for AJ? He's got to make a comeback eventually. 00:45:25.119 --> 00:45:28.179 Well, in my opinion, not someone with power because 00:45:28.179 --> 00:45:30.599 he got knocked out his last fight. He didn't 00:45:30.599 --> 00:45:33.980 even come back this year. You know? Which is 00:45:33.980 --> 00:45:37.460 kind of... A little worrying. You know, he should 00:45:37.460 --> 00:45:39.860 have maybe had a tune -up fight sometime this 00:45:39.860 --> 00:45:43.219 year. You know? When did he have his surgery, 00:45:43.340 --> 00:45:44.699 by the way? Let me ask that. When did he have 00:45:44.699 --> 00:45:49.880 his surgery? I think it was in May or June. May 00:45:49.880 --> 00:45:53.440 or June? Yeah. So he's coming out about that 00:45:53.440 --> 00:45:57.800 time. Yeah, he's coming back right now. So, get 00:45:57.800 --> 00:46:00.559 some training in. I would say probably fight 00:46:00.559 --> 00:46:04.929 someone in the top 10. You know? Maybe if I bring 00:46:04.929 --> 00:46:09.929 Sanchez. The post that I found that made me think 00:46:09.929 --> 00:46:13.929 of this question was Jake Paul, Tony Yoka, or 00:46:13.929 --> 00:46:19.710 Martin Bacoli. I don't know. That's kind of... 00:46:19.710 --> 00:46:22.750 What do you think? You tell me first and I'll 00:46:22.750 --> 00:46:25.489 tell you my idea. I think he should stay the 00:46:25.489 --> 00:46:30.050 hell away from Martin Bacoli. Jake Paul, I guess 00:46:30.050 --> 00:46:34.039 if you want to make some good money, sure. But 00:46:34.039 --> 00:46:37.579 Tony Yoka, that's the fight to make. The two 00:46:37.579 --> 00:46:40.980 gold medalists in the back -to -back Olympics, 00:46:41.260 --> 00:46:48.760 Tony Yoka's kind of washed out, but still, he's 00:46:48.760 --> 00:46:52.400 at the level AJ needs to rebuild his confidence, 00:46:52.519 --> 00:46:56.980 plus coming off a surgery. This is exactly where 00:46:56.980 --> 00:47:04.960 he needs to be, is Tony Yoka. I mean, I disagree 00:47:04.960 --> 00:47:08.260 with those takes. Obviously, he should get a 00:47:08.260 --> 00:47:11.079 tune -up, but I think it should be someone that 00:47:11.079 --> 00:47:15.780 is relatively harmless. You know? Just to get 00:47:15.780 --> 00:47:17.579 his confidence up. Because the way he got knocked 00:47:17.579 --> 00:47:20.659 out last time was bad. Really bad. Yeah. You 00:47:20.659 --> 00:47:27.239 know? Tony Yoka, yeah, he's older. But you never 00:47:27.239 --> 00:47:30.440 know, man. Tony Yoka, he can... I'm not gonna 00:47:30.440 --> 00:47:32.420 lie. That man has some hidden magic, dude. I'm 00:47:32.420 --> 00:47:34.389 not gonna lie. He can pull some shit out of his 00:47:34.389 --> 00:47:37.590 ass. Martin Bercouli, too. Martin Bercouli. I 00:47:37.590 --> 00:47:40.449 would not want to put anybody with fucking Martin 00:47:40.449 --> 00:47:42.690 Bercouli right now. Like fucking Anthony Joshua 00:47:42.690 --> 00:47:45.010 with a chin. You know, anybody with a chin should 00:47:45.010 --> 00:47:49.949 not be with Martin Bercouli. Maybe. I know this 00:47:49.949 --> 00:47:52.769 might sound crazy. You can make fun of me. Jared 00:47:52.769 --> 00:47:55.130 Anderson. I think Jared Anderson would be good. 00:47:55.690 --> 00:48:00.550 That's not bad. Jared Anderson would be, I think, 00:48:00.610 --> 00:48:04.980 a pretty solid fight. Or AJ. Big Baby as well. 00:48:05.159 --> 00:48:09.780 Big Baby Miller. Not bad of a fight. Not bad. 00:48:10.119 --> 00:48:13.599 Now, if you really want to get fucking testy, 00:48:13.619 --> 00:48:15.900 if you want to be funny as hell, you can do an 00:48:15.900 --> 00:48:19.860 AJ trilogy. Or an AJ -Andy Ruiz trilogy. Who's 00:48:19.860 --> 00:48:25.139 that? Yeah, not bad. I think the better question 00:48:25.139 --> 00:48:27.300 is, what should be the next fight after AJ's 00:48:27.300 --> 00:48:31.659 next, if he wins? So he wins is like a soft touch. 00:48:32.159 --> 00:48:38.119 And then what does he do after that? I'm still 00:48:38.119 --> 00:48:39.860 going to say Tony Yoka just because that's a 00:48:39.860 --> 00:48:46.420 big fight between England and France. So that 00:48:46.420 --> 00:48:51.559 should be fun. You want to say AJ Fury? Oh, shit. 00:48:51.860 --> 00:48:55.260 I completely forgot about Tyson Fury. AJ Wilder. 00:48:55.340 --> 00:48:57.880 I mean, yeah, say what you want, but AJ Fury 00:48:57.880 --> 00:48:59.880 is still a huge fight. Not so much AJ Wilder. 00:49:00.250 --> 00:49:03.769 Yeah, those are both still huge. I don't know 00:49:03.769 --> 00:49:06.409 about Wilder's too much right now, but AJ Fury 00:49:06.409 --> 00:49:08.050 is the fight to make, I think, at heavyweight. 00:49:08.110 --> 00:49:13.869 The next big money fight at heavyweight. Or you 00:49:13.869 --> 00:49:17.809 could do a Dubois rematch with AJ. Now, is that 00:49:17.809 --> 00:49:21.989 smart? I don't know. Dubois beat the fuck out 00:49:21.989 --> 00:49:27.510 of AJ. Yeah, he beat his ass. I felt secondhand 00:49:27.510 --> 00:49:31.550 embarrassment for AJ. Yeah, that was rough. That 00:49:31.550 --> 00:49:38.269 was really rough. Now I can say, speaking of 00:49:38.269 --> 00:49:41.789 AJ, do you think he makes the Hall of Fame? Oh, 00:49:41.809 --> 00:49:43.409 we were talking about this earlier today. Yeah. 00:49:43.829 --> 00:49:46.530 I think he'll probably make the Hall of Fame 00:49:46.530 --> 00:49:50.030 in like 20, 30 years. He's fought a lot of guys. 00:49:50.429 --> 00:49:55.409 A lot of British guys. Now, were they good? Not 00:49:55.409 --> 00:50:00.670 really, but I still think that He fought a lot 00:50:00.670 --> 00:50:02.730 of competition. He fought Usyk. If he fights 00:50:02.730 --> 00:50:06.929 Fury, depending on who wins, you know? Because 00:50:06.929 --> 00:50:08.610 I think Usyk's going to make it in the Hall of 00:50:08.610 --> 00:50:10.590 Fame. Fury will make it in the Hall of Fame, 00:50:10.630 --> 00:50:12.869 for sure. Those two, for sure, are going to make 00:50:12.869 --> 00:50:19.590 it in the Hall of Fame. AJ, give it about 20 00:50:19.590 --> 00:50:23.289 years. Oh, he's not going to be first ballot. 00:50:24.349 --> 00:50:26.690 Oh, no. No, not at all. The first one, the first 00:50:26.690 --> 00:50:29.320 ballot's going to be Usyk, then Fury. Then AJ. 00:50:30.699 --> 00:50:32.119 Wilder, he's not going to be in the Hall of Fame. 00:50:32.519 --> 00:50:35.800 Best fight with him is Luis Ortiz, but that's 00:50:35.800 --> 00:50:38.980 Luis Ortiz. He's good still, but it's not Hall 00:50:38.980 --> 00:50:41.699 of Fame worthy. Yeah, it's not great. It's like 00:50:41.699 --> 00:50:47.099 if Crawford knocking out Gamboa, would that really 00:50:47.099 --> 00:50:50.280 be his Hall of Fame pick? Would that put him 00:50:50.280 --> 00:50:53.579 in the Hall of Fame? No. You know what I mean? 00:50:53.639 --> 00:50:56.800 It's a good stoppage. A stoppage, yeah. But is 00:50:56.800 --> 00:50:58.909 that... Not Hall of Fame worthy. No, definitely 00:50:58.909 --> 00:51:01.110 not. Exactly, no. Canelo is going to put him 00:51:01.110 --> 00:51:05.050 in the Hall of Fame. He already is one of the 00:51:05.050 --> 00:51:06.670 greatest fighters of all time right now. So, 00:51:06.710 --> 00:51:09.730 Crawford, I don't got to question that. Usyk 00:51:09.730 --> 00:51:13.409 beating AJ, Usyk beating Fury, Usyk beating Chisora, 00:51:13.409 --> 00:51:17.989 all the guys at heavyweight puts him in the Hall 00:51:17.989 --> 00:51:21.710 of Fame 100%. We'll see what happens with AJ. 00:51:24.679 --> 00:51:26.260 Yeah, but I mean, that's fucking Wilder, though. 00:51:26.300 --> 00:51:28.400 Did he deserve a shot with Usyk? I don't think 00:51:28.400 --> 00:51:32.380 so. Tyson Fury pieced him up enough. Yeah. You 00:51:32.380 --> 00:51:34.880 kind of knocked him out of the running. Yeah. 00:51:35.219 --> 00:51:38.139 I think Fury belongs in the Hall of Fame just 00:51:38.139 --> 00:51:40.880 for his fights with Wilder. That's probably the 00:51:40.880 --> 00:51:45.159 last great heavyweight trilogy that we've had. 00:51:45.860 --> 00:51:49.980 That is the last great heavyweight trilogy. I 00:51:49.980 --> 00:51:53.260 don't know if you've ever rewatched those fights, 00:51:53.300 --> 00:51:55.059 but it reminds me of... The fight you see in 00:51:55.059 --> 00:51:59.480 the 90s, dude. I remember we watched Razor Ruddick 00:51:59.480 --> 00:52:01.219 fucking... Yeah. That third fight, in my opinion, 00:52:01.239 --> 00:52:02.760 was probably the best one. That reminded me of 00:52:02.760 --> 00:52:06.079 Ruddick and Morrison. I really liked the first 00:52:06.079 --> 00:52:08.139 one. The one that... It just had a lot more back 00:52:08.139 --> 00:52:11.119 and forth. Yeah. First and third were the best. 00:52:11.320 --> 00:52:13.320 Yes. Second was a little more... Oh, that was 00:52:13.320 --> 00:52:16.360 trash. Yeah. It was just a nasty thing. Yeah. 00:52:18.079 --> 00:52:23.199 First and third were legendary. I hate to make 00:52:23.199 --> 00:52:25.480 a comparison. I know this might sound fucked 00:52:25.480 --> 00:52:28.639 up. You can make fun of me, but that trilogy 00:52:28.639 --> 00:52:34.980 just oozes, oozes Gorilla Manila type shit. You 00:52:34.980 --> 00:52:39.000 know? Interesting. I know you, I'm going to get 00:52:39.000 --> 00:52:41.380 so much fucking hate for this shit. I'm going 00:52:41.380 --> 00:52:44.360 to get hate for this shit. You can make fun of 00:52:44.360 --> 00:52:46.880 me. No, I don't think it's unrealistic to call 00:52:46.880 --> 00:52:50.900 it like the modern equivalent. Yeah. The modern 00:52:50.900 --> 00:52:54.630 version of that. Because you got a guy that's 00:52:54.630 --> 00:52:57.510 quick on his feet, that can box. It's like the 00:52:57.510 --> 00:52:59.550 dollar store thrill in a manila. Not thrill in 00:52:59.550 --> 00:53:02.670 a manila, but that trilogy, you know? That trilogy. 00:53:03.289 --> 00:53:05.170 The third one reminds me of the thrill in manila, 00:53:05.289 --> 00:53:11.150 considering how it ended. But, I mean, that trilogy 00:53:11.150 --> 00:53:14.050 is just legendary. Probably one of the best heavyweight 00:53:14.050 --> 00:53:15.969 trilogies of all time. Make fun of me, I don't 00:53:15.969 --> 00:53:20.510 give a shit. Fantastic trilogy. You know? You 00:53:20.510 --> 00:53:23.659 got a boxer, and you got a puncher. You know, 00:53:23.659 --> 00:53:27.420 first fight, I want to say ends like the first 00:53:27.420 --> 00:53:31.119 fight with Ali and Frazier. You know, not really 00:53:31.119 --> 00:53:32.340 a second fight. I don't know. I'm just saying 00:53:32.340 --> 00:53:34.460 it was a legendary fight, you know. That's all 00:53:34.460 --> 00:53:37.880 I'm really saying. Bringing it back around. Yeah. 00:53:38.460 --> 00:53:40.960 Will AJ make the Hall of Fame? I'm going to say 00:53:40.960 --> 00:53:43.460 yes. It's not going to be right away. He's going 00:53:43.460 --> 00:53:47.179 to need some – he needs his Hall of Fame wins, 00:53:47.400 --> 00:53:50.679 like you already put it. Like if he fights Tyson 00:53:50.679 --> 00:53:54.780 Fury and beats him. holy shit that's that's that's 00:53:54.780 --> 00:53:59.820 a good like a cherry on the on the sunday but 00:53:59.820 --> 00:54:03.739 as he is right now i don't uh it's gonna it'll 00:54:03.739 --> 00:54:06.539 be some time he's going to make it yes eventually 00:54:06.539 --> 00:54:09.960 but he's not gonna make it on strictly his fight 00:54:09.960 --> 00:54:13.420 resume it'll be because like he had these massive 00:54:13.420 --> 00:54:17.139 events like 90 000 at wembley like four fucking 00:54:17.139 --> 00:54:21.880 times or whatever yeah I mean, I think probably 00:54:21.880 --> 00:54:26.960 his Hall of Fame induction would be because of 00:54:26.960 --> 00:54:30.059 the Klitschko fight. Oh, right now that's his. 00:54:32.460 --> 00:54:36.780 But Fury did that before him. You know, Fury 00:54:36.780 --> 00:54:40.960 was the original. You know what I mean? Yeah, 00:54:41.019 --> 00:54:44.539 definitely. Besides Klitschko, though, what other 00:54:44.539 --> 00:54:47.760 fight would you think would be Hall of Fame worthy 00:54:47.760 --> 00:54:54.389 enough? for AJ right now? Yeah, besides Klitschko. 00:54:54.489 --> 00:54:59.949 Besides Klitschko. And not Nganou. Not Nganou. 00:55:00.030 --> 00:55:06.449 No. That didn't even cross my mind. I don't know. 00:55:08.530 --> 00:55:11.230 I don't know. I'm going to have to have a look 00:55:11.230 --> 00:55:17.110 at his fucking resume here. Because I don't know. 00:55:19.050 --> 00:55:22.510 What else he has that's really that big of a 00:55:22.510 --> 00:55:27.030 deal? Yeah, I mean, he lost to Usyk both times. 00:55:28.570 --> 00:55:32.630 Lost to Andy Ruiz. Beat him in rematch, but still 00:55:32.630 --> 00:55:38.829 lost. He beat Joe Parker. Albeit in a decision 00:55:38.829 --> 00:55:45.050 win. He beat Povetkin at Prime Steroids. Yeah. 00:55:46.920 --> 00:55:53.099 That's not like a marquee win, though. I don't 00:55:53.099 --> 00:55:58.300 see anybody on here. So are we just calling AJ 00:55:58.300 --> 00:56:02.480 overrated now? Is that what we're saying? AJ's 00:56:02.480 --> 00:56:05.579 a fucking bum. Are we just saying that now that 00:56:05.579 --> 00:56:11.260 he's overrated? Yeah. Yeah, he's overrated. He 00:56:11.260 --> 00:56:13.679 lost both of his Usyk fights. He lost to Daniel 00:56:13.679 --> 00:56:18.489 Dubois. Well, the loss has kind of aged okay. 00:56:19.030 --> 00:56:22.909 Dubois turned out to be better than I gave him 00:56:22.909 --> 00:56:29.469 credit for anyway. Uh -huh. Loss to Andy Ruiz. 00:56:31.050 --> 00:56:36.670 I'm going to say he ducked Prime Wilder. He ducked 00:56:36.670 --> 00:56:41.429 Wilder or Wilder ducked him? Yes. The chicken 00:56:41.429 --> 00:56:44.030 laid the egg or the egg laid the chicken? What 00:56:44.030 --> 00:56:49.329 came first? AJ ducked Wilder. That's what I'm 00:56:49.329 --> 00:56:56.650 going with. Okay. I'm going to side with a fucking 00:56:56.650 --> 00:56:59.969 Brit over red, white, and blue Deontay Wilder. 00:57:01.690 --> 00:57:06.630 Well, I don't know. That Wilder three -fight 00:57:06.630 --> 00:57:10.840 deal for DAZN was kind of bullshit. You know? 00:57:11.139 --> 00:57:15.099 Yeah. They could have easily made $50 million 00:57:15.099 --> 00:57:18.480 each. I still weep at that idea. Probably could 00:57:18.480 --> 00:57:20.500 have revived the heavyweight division in America 00:57:20.500 --> 00:57:24.679 in general. You know? I don't know. It could 00:57:24.679 --> 00:57:27.460 have revived boxing in America if Wilder won. 00:57:27.559 --> 00:57:30.900 I still think if Wilder fought AJ instead of 00:57:30.900 --> 00:57:34.679 Wilder fighting Fury, I think honestly Wilder 00:57:34.679 --> 00:57:38.380 could have won. Yeah. You know, both undefeated. 00:57:38.380 --> 00:57:42.219 If they were both undefeated. And, I don't know, 00:57:42.260 --> 00:57:44.079 I just think that Wilder probably would have 00:57:44.079 --> 00:57:48.599 won that fight. I think so, too. Not just my 00:57:48.599 --> 00:57:53.239 bias as an American, but... Well, yeah, I mean, 00:57:53.340 --> 00:57:56.900 you look back on it, I mean, AJ got knocked by 00:57:56.900 --> 00:58:00.880 Ruiz. He got knocked out by Ruiz, got knocked 00:58:00.880 --> 00:58:05.739 out by Dubois, knocked down by Klitschko. Usyk 00:58:05.739 --> 00:58:08.030 had him on skates, which... I mean, Usko's had 00:58:08.030 --> 00:58:09.610 Fury on skates, but that's fucking... That's 00:58:09.610 --> 00:58:14.309 Fury. I mean, I don't know. I think Wilder probably 00:58:14.309 --> 00:58:16.429 could have gotten a lucky shot and knocked out 00:58:16.429 --> 00:58:21.489 AJ. Never know. The world will never know, honestly, 00:58:21.510 --> 00:58:23.309 because we're... They're fucking never gonna 00:58:23.309 --> 00:58:27.909 fight. Even if they do, it's, like, ten years 00:58:27.909 --> 00:58:34.269 too late. Yeah. Fortunately. Man. They should... 00:58:34.269 --> 00:58:35.550 That's the thing about... They should just make 00:58:35.550 --> 00:58:37.570 the fights when... When it's possible, you know? 00:58:37.650 --> 00:58:41.489 And that's kind of the allure with Riyadh. I 00:58:41.489 --> 00:58:43.829 know we talk shit about Turkey Al -Sheikh, but 00:58:43.829 --> 00:58:45.789 I'm going to play devil's advocate, okay? The 00:58:45.789 --> 00:58:49.829 allure, the illusion that he plays is very smart. 00:58:50.250 --> 00:58:52.969 He's the man that's making fights happen. You 00:58:52.969 --> 00:58:55.389 know? That's why a lot of people have been turned 00:58:55.389 --> 00:58:58.190 off boxing. It's because the fights never happen. 00:58:58.650 --> 00:59:01.909 Exactly. AJ Wilder is a perfect example of shit 00:59:01.909 --> 00:59:04.389 that's going to happen. And so a lot of people... 00:59:05.839 --> 00:59:09.039 Well, maybe not a lot of people, but people are 00:59:09.039 --> 00:59:11.480 kind of saying that Turkey is the man that makes 00:59:11.480 --> 00:59:15.400 fights. Which, I mean, in retrospect, is true 00:59:15.400 --> 00:59:18.019 to an extent. You know? Again, I talk shit about 00:59:18.019 --> 00:59:21.440 him all the time. But, like, you could argue 00:59:21.440 --> 00:59:24.940 that Usyk -Fury was going to happen. You could 00:59:24.940 --> 00:59:28.139 argue that Better Be Vivo was going to happen. 00:59:28.179 --> 00:59:31.059 Those were the two fights that... And Canelo 00:59:31.059 --> 00:59:33.190 Crawford as well. Those street fights, people 00:59:33.190 --> 00:59:34.809 argued that they were going to happen without 00:59:34.809 --> 00:59:37.409 Saudi influence. I kind of disagree. I think 00:59:37.409 --> 00:59:39.650 they needed that money to be paid to take a risk. 00:59:40.210 --> 00:59:42.969 You know? I mean, if you're given $100 million 00:59:42.969 --> 00:59:46.150 to fight this motherfucker, this fucking Ukrainian 00:59:46.150 --> 00:59:50.090 guy, not too well -known of a Ukrainian guy, 00:59:50.190 --> 00:59:52.829 you're going to take it, right? Yeah, for that 00:59:52.829 --> 00:59:54.949 kind of money. For that kind of money, you'll 00:59:54.949 --> 00:59:56.949 risk your fucking, you'll risk your life for 00:59:56.949 --> 01:00:00.170 that. You know? So, playing devil's advocate. 01:00:00.889 --> 01:00:03.789 Fuck Turkey. But the alert that he makes fights 01:00:03.789 --> 01:00:10.849 happen is exciting to people. So there's that. 01:00:10.929 --> 01:00:13.489 There's my two -piece. Still, fuck Turkey. That 01:00:13.489 --> 01:00:16.010 alert isn't really too real because, again, like 01:00:16.010 --> 01:00:17.849 I said, those fights probably would have been 01:00:17.849 --> 01:00:23.949 made either way. But, yeah, that's my two -piece 01:00:23.949 --> 01:00:33.000 on that. I'm playing Josh today. Let's get some 01:00:33.000 --> 01:00:35.239 quick ones out of the way because we're just 01:00:35.239 --> 01:00:39.559 about out of time. The Lester Martinez and Christian 01:00:39.559 --> 01:00:42.280 Mbili rematch seems like it's going to be happening. 01:00:43.500 --> 01:00:48.780 Happening right away. Better be 12 rounds. And 01:00:48.780 --> 01:00:52.000 Tenshin Nasukawa will be fighting Takuma Inoue 01:00:52.000 --> 01:00:58.559 in November. You guys say that Tenshin Nasukawa 01:00:58.559 --> 01:01:03.400 is Japanese Lomachenko? Yeah, that's a Leo original. 01:01:04.420 --> 01:01:06.739 That's the Leo original. So I believe you guys. 01:01:07.380 --> 01:01:10.340 I'll be rooting for him. If he loses, I'm going 01:01:10.340 --> 01:01:13.239 to blame you guys. Much to the dismay of Shinada. 01:01:13.320 --> 01:01:18.380 She fucking hates him. Yeah. But she has to deal 01:01:18.380 --> 01:01:24.219 with all the fanboys over in Japan. She's got 01:01:24.219 --> 01:01:28.599 to deal with all that bull jive. Yep. That's 01:01:28.599 --> 01:01:32.900 her Canelo. She was a Crawford fan. It's California. 01:01:33.119 --> 01:01:34.719 Basically, let's say it like this. She's living 01:01:34.719 --> 01:01:37.260 in California. She's a Crawford fan. Oh, yeah. 01:01:39.099 --> 01:01:44.179 That's how I felt, honestly. All the fanboying. 01:01:45.579 --> 01:01:52.860 Yep. I was actually glad. I was going to say, 01:01:52.920 --> 01:01:54.579 I was a closet. I had to be a closeted Crawford 01:01:54.579 --> 01:01:59.519 lover with a lot of people in my life. You are 01:01:59.519 --> 01:02:05.039 vindicated. I'm vindicated, yeah. Anything more 01:02:05.039 --> 01:02:08.780 for the news that we've talked? No, we'll talk 01:02:08.780 --> 01:02:10.940 about it more next time. Interesting things we 01:02:10.940 --> 01:02:14.539 got to talk about. All right, let me do this. 01:02:15.340 --> 01:02:18.880 Pop quiz, Hotshot. What's tiny, fuzzy, and responsible 01:02:18.880 --> 01:02:22.039 for a large portion of the food we eat? If you 01:02:22.039 --> 01:02:24.699 guessed bees, well, you nailed it. Seriously, 01:02:24.980 --> 01:02:27.460 one out of every three bites on your plate depends 01:02:27.460 --> 01:02:31.000 on bees. 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