The B -Side in boxing. B -Side shit. B -Side.
B -Side. And the B -Side. You got a B -Side.
The B -Side. B -Side. B -Side. B -Side. That
B -Side thing. This is the B -Sides Boxing Podcast.
Shall we do the thing? Hell yeah. All right.
Boxing B -sides, back up in your ears. I'm joined
by the one and only Saul. What's up, guys? After
a long week of a hiatus. Yeah, it's been a little
while, but we're back. We're here to start off
with fucking MMA, what? Just because Ultimate
F and Casuals are brothers in arms. Over on the
MMA side of the house. We talk boxing over there
quite often. Let's see. There's a big pay -per
-view coming up this weekend. It's UFC 320. There
are some actually good fights on here. Just ones
that stand out to me. At the very beginning of
the build, Patchy Mix versus Jakub Vyklac. V
Klatsch. I think I got that right. The mouthful?
Yeah. It's a Polish name and has a lot of letter
herpes. And all this fucking shit. Moving up
to Bill, Josh Emmett versus Yusuf Zalal. And
Yuri Prostka versus Khalil Rountree. That's one
to definitely keep an eye on. And the main event,
Magomed Ankolaev. The current light heavyweight
champ is fighting the previous champ, Alex Pajero.
And AP is all action. Typically. Might be good.
Might be bad. Might just be what happened last
time. Might be a knockout. You never know. Tune
in. Yeah. I got Isaac to write us a boxing fan's
guide. So he wrote it for the top three fights.
Let's see. Marab versus Sandhagen. This is a
bantamweight fight. There will be wrestling involved,
but Murab is high octane, perhaps the most outrageous
gas tank in combat sports history. Sandhagen
is a fun and creative striker, but unless he
finds a KO shot or a big knee, it'll be hard
for him to win. I'd tune into this if you can
tolerate some wrestling. Moving up, he had Yuri
Proska. and Khalil Rountree as well. His words,
high likelihood of being a fun scrap with a KO.
Probably little to no wrestling. I'd say must
watch. You're a box fan. 100%. And... The main
event, Ankalayev versus Pajero 2. His words,
I'm 50 -50 on if this fight will be fun or not,
but I'd say turn it on if you have nothing else
to watch or do. Ankalayev could wrestle a bit,
so beware. Both have good striking, with Pajero
having good KO power. So there it is. That's
Isaac's Boxing Fans Guide. Let's get into the
recaps because we do have a little bit to get
through. We're digging back to early or early
mid -September. Do you remember the ring card?
What is it like? The underdog or something like
that? The underdog? What do you mean? That's
just what they called the card was the underdog.
Or is that the boxing Grand Prix? No. It was
Fontainebleau, Anthony Olasquaga stops Juan Carlos
Camacho. When you say the fighters, I don't remember.
Anthony Olasquaga and the good up -and -comers.
See what happens in the future. WBO flyweight
title. My man's tearing it up. Moving to September
13th. Yeah, we already talked about Crawford
beating Canelo. We have the whole episode about
it. We talked about practically nothing else.
The ending of boxing. This is actually the first
podcast of the new era. It is. The new era of
boxing. And we'll get to that soon. Why it's
the new era. All right. So Matchroom was on at
the Windsor Park in Belfast. A few fights here.
Josh alluded to it. Molly McCann making her boxing
debut stops Kate Radomska in the sixth. Takes
a fucking front kick. Shit was super blatant.
I went back to rewatch just to remind myself.
Wild. Holy shit. How the fuck did the ref miss
that? I have no idea. Paid him off. With all
that fucking money. I don't know how they got
away with it. It's wild. Yeah, I couldn't even
begin to guess how she got away with that. It
has to be like some biased bullshit that they
have over there. Molly McCann, I think, is from
Liverpool. And they were in Ireland. I don't
know. Maybe it was that. I say this like one
of our fighters didn't take a knee in the middle
of a fight. Who knows? Ref's always on some silly
shit. I was talking about that with Shanada on
the Boxing Before Dark episode. Like, every time
it comes up, I always get fucking tilted. Every
single time. Yeah, it's some bullshit. Why the
fuck are you going to take a knee in the middle
of a fight? Yeah. You know? Fucking Roach did
that. God forbid, you know? But, yeah. I'm going
to start. Oh, yeah. We'll rule the knockout.
Fucking. By over... Fuck, dude. I'll tell you.
I'm going to get mad right now. I can't get mad.
I can't get mad. We're not talking about tanking
today. We're not talking about tanking right
now. Not right now. Moving up the bill, Pat Brown.
He's a British Olympian. TKO2 over Austin Nnamdi.
It was a pretty weird stoppage. Pat Brown tagged
him, and it was clean, and his legs wobbled.
He was on skates. But he backed up into the ropes,
and he looked like he had his wits about him.
So it's, I don't know, kind of questionable,
I guess, when you're the ref making a split -second
decision. See, that's understandable. The thing,
we were talking about this before the pod, too.
Pat Brown, he's not a... He's kind of building
himself up. Yeah, he's got a tear. And honestly,
he's kind of looking good. I'm not going to lie.
For how he started, where he's at, he was in
the Olympics. He looks pretty good. I wouldn't
say he passed the eye test so far, but he's been
active. And at the very least, he seems like
a fighter that will be good on undercards for
the next couple of years. Yeah, he's doing the
thing like... moses atama just staying active
and you may not look the best but you're still
in like the infancy of your career so exactly
yeah you're gonna have some spots that need improving
especially as you're transitioning from the amateur
style to the pros which it's gotten better it's
been the transition has become easier since they've
adapted the amateur style the amateur rule set
to more replicate the pros but still Back in
the day, you'd see fucking Olympic fighters fail
in the pros all the time. I mean, you still see
it, but it was a lot more prevalent back in the
day. Yeah, definitely. What was it? 1984 Olympics,
right? That was the team, right? The 1984 Olympics.
Oh, the dream team? The dream team. The majority
of them, they didn't really make it in the pros.
Half of them didn't make it in the pros. Not
the majority, but half of them. Mark Breland
was... Famous case, you know. I'll tell you.
Nowadays, like Lomachenko, you have Lomachenko
coming out. Fucking Anthony Joshua. Omari Jones
seems to be doing pretty good for himself. Yeah,
he's still starting off too, right? Yeah, Omari
Jones. And he looks pretty solid, you know. Marco
Verde as well. A lot of fighters coming out of
the Olympics that are looking good so far. You
know, Ken Jenkins, you know. How would you say
Joe Joyce did? Joe Joyce did? Well, to be honest,
he didn't have a bad career. He fought everybody,
you know? Yeah. Joe Joyce has fought a lot of
guys, you know? Yeah, I was thinking he had a
good run. Yeah, Joe Joyce had a good run. I mean,
yeah, you see what you will about his career.
But the man knocked out Danny Dubois, you know?
Danny Dubois was a champion, so. I mean. And
Dubois went on to some pretty good heights. Exactly,
yes. I mean, it really depends on how you'd rate
a fighter yourself. I mean, I would rate Joe
Joyce, you know, in like a B -tier type of fighter,
you know, when in his heyday. Right now, I don't
know. He's like Dylan White level, but... When
in his heyday, he was pretty all right. He was
all right. Let's move up here. Tyrone McKenna
stops Dylan Moran in the seventh. This is one
that I wanted to point out specifically. It's
Agiarko gets the split decision over Ishmael
Davis. This motherfucker's name is spelled C
-A -O -I -M -H -I -N and it's Keevan. Keevan,
really? Out of my fucking mind. I cannot wrap
my head around that. The Irish do some weird
shit. Even Michael Key? Yep. Sorry, I had to
throw that in there. What is that? I'm not too
familiar with this game. What is he, like a...
I know Ishmael Davis is a 154 -pounder, right?
Yeah, it was a 154 -pound fight. It was a good
scrap. It was just... I felt he was getting a
lot of the cleaner work done. But there was a
lot of smothering happening. And I think Davis
was the worst for wear for it. Makes sense. I
mean, that guy, same thing with Ishmael Davis.
He's kind of more of like a Giovanni Cabrera
type of fighter. Kind of like a step -up fighter,
you know? Yeah. Guys kind of come up, we'll fight
them. You know? They could do a rematch. It wouldn't
be terrible. Yeah, I mean, would I want to see
a rematch? I don't know. But, I mean, there's
nothing going on. Fuck it, I'll watch it. Not
a lot about that, but I'm soon. Got to wait a
couple weeks. Liz Crocker. Split decision question
mark is how I have it written down. Over Patty
Donovan. IBF welterweight title was on the line.
Yeah, it was. Not like the first at all. No.
In the first one, Donovan was in trouble. If
I'm remembering it correctly, it was Donovan
that was in trouble. Pretty much the entire time.
You remember correctly, yeah. He was on skates
for a good amount of the fight. Yeah, and then
Crocker got that unfortunate DQ. This time, it
seems like Paddy Donovan made... I think he made
a lot of the right adjustments. He boxed this
beautifully. I still have the replay running
right next to me. And he's boxing really smart.
He's fighting behind his jab. I'm not sure how
he lost. I don't see how he lost. Even a split
decision, you could say, sure, it's close. The
judges had it close. But I don't see it having
been close enough to warrant that. Yeah. Yeah.
I mean, I agree with you 100%. I mean, he looked
pretty solid for the type of fighter he is, you
know? Was it a good fight? It was all right.
It was all right. Yeah, but I mean, I can't explain
why the judges did it. I always like to throw
around the word robbery. You know, like... At
some point, it is kind of like a landerized word
I've been using a lot on here, but... I wouldn't
necessarily call it a robbery, but... No. It's
just a little... It's a little pitchy. I'm not
gonna lie. I need some explanation. I think that's
a good way to put it. I try to reserve use of
the word, like, robbery and super fight, that
type of shit, just so that when we do use it,
it has a lot more... Gravity. Per se, yeah. It's
like when you swear. Yeah, we do it a lot. Like
when you swear, you know? Yeah. Yeah, well. Lewis
Crocker gets the dub. I hope they do it again.
I think Patti Donovan deserves it. But we'll
see what Lewis Crocker wants to do. Well, Lewis
Crocker's with Mashroom, right? I believe he
is the Mashroom fighter. Are they both in Mashroom?
I'm pretty sure Crocker is. Not sure about Patty
Donovan. Yeah, so that is gonna... That's gonna
stay there for a while, I'm not gonna lie. Because
at Welterweight, they have what? Arios, Roley,
Bryan, and Crocker. One of these is not... Crocker.
Yeah. That's Barrios because he got beat by an
old man Pacquiao. You would rate... You know,
I honestly think I would rate Crocker over Barrios.
100 % I would rate Crocker over Barrios. For
Barrios to lose like... Well, he didn't lose,
but to me he lost. In my eyes and the eyes of
a lot of fans. He lost to Manny Pacquiao. Alright,
so... I think Crocker with the way he fought
in that fight, I think he... I think he would.
I think it would be Barrios, in my opinion. In
my humble opinion. Breaking news. WBC world title
is vacant on BoxRec. What? Or which division?
What are you talking about? WBC welterweight
title. Well, what? Is vacant on BoxRec. Wait,
wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Is Mario Barrios
vacant? I don't know. Just now. I don't know.
Are you kidding me? Are you kidding me? What
the hell? What the fuck? I'm checking the WBC
site because that is... There's no way that Mario
Party vacated that fucking title in the middle
of this damn podcast. We're literally the TMZ
of fucking Mario Party. He's still the champion.
He's still listed as the champ. Oh, so then why
is it vacated, though? Why is it vacated? Why
does BoxRec have it vacated? I don't know. Well,
it's not like people cared when Virgil... Remember
the thing with Virgil? box trick with it no i
don't i think i think virgil had um they overturned
that fight with um with boachuk and the fans
went crazy and nobody's looking at mario body's
box trick like fucking every day like unlike
virgil you know i just pulled it up because i
wanted to see who the title holders were um it's
like we have Like, it still has Jaron Ennis as
number one in the division. Oh, in the motorway?
That's weird. Yeah. Yeah, that's weird. He's
not even there anymore. The IBO title is Tulani
Mbengue. Oh, boy. I can't wait for... The unification.
The big unification with Brian Norman. Oh, yeah?
IBO, WBO? All those? Man, I feel bad for Patty
Donovan. He didn't fight like a... The Irish
come to rumble. They come to rumble like Mexicans
do. And he fought really smart. And I feel bad.
I really want him to get another shot. One day,
if he fights smart... Again, the division right
now is really light. I mean, they have Roley
and Barrios as two of the champions, two of the
four champions. I mean, honestly, again, I keep
blazing him, but Brian Norman Jr. is the best.
He is. Currently the best welterweight in that
division, but at the same time, it's like, well,
after Spence and Crawford and all the PBC guys
kind of retired, the division has kind of turned
into middleweight in a sense, you know? I mean,
the thing is that the most popular guys in that
division are not even champions. It's Ryan Garcia.
It is Devin Haney. And soon, it's going to be
Tiofimo Lopez, hopefully. You know, move up.
Hopefully. Yeah. But those guys are not even
champions. I feel like, in my opinion, I feel
like we're going to try to make... We can talk
about this another day, but... I saw something
the other day, a little news article saying that
Dave Benavidez and Devin Haney were planning
a doubleheader in Riyadh in February. Really?
You didn't see that? No. Yeah, they're planning
a doubleheader with fucking Devin Haney and David
Benavidez in Riyadh in February, which is kind
of bullshit because Devin Haney hasn't even fought
yet. He hasn't even beaten Brian Norman Jr. Why
are they planning him as a co -main already?
If you're going to give some of the co -main,
shouldn't you give it to the champion? The reigning
champ? Yeah, if you're going to look ahead of
it, then you should give it to the champ, not
to a challenger. Not to a challenger without
a title who has a loss. And who isn't all that
popular either. It's not like he's famous or
anything. He gets priority because he's a bigger
money name. Well, he has a bigger money name
than I would say Brian Norman Jr., but at the
same time, it's like, well, why are you putting
him there instead of Brian Norman Jr., who is
the champion, who is a more exciting fighter
at the end of the day? To me, it looks like they're
planning some bullshit. I can already see them
a mile away. They're planning some bullshit with
that fucking fight. Oh, they're going to drop
Norman. I feel like they might just drop Norman.
If it goes this way, they might just drop Norman.
And, again, maybe he could outbox him. I'm not
saying he's not going to outbox him. It's a possibility.
But the fact they're already planning that shit
shows me they're planning to job him. And, I
mean, people that watch this podcast, they can
say all they want about my fucking takes. But
the one thing I stand by, I think a lot of people
will agree, is that a lot of the time I'm not
wrong when it comes to fighters getting jobs.
Okay? There's one thing I'm alright with predicting.
It's fighters getting jobbed. I knew Adama was
going to get jobbed. I knew Roach was going to
get jobbed. I know. I just have a thing. I don't
know why. You guys remember how I tried to talk
about how Crawford was about to get jobbed. He
almost got jobbed that fight. What was it? 115
-113? Bullshit. Yeah, I don't know about all
that. 115 -113 business. Yeah, that's a bull
jive, right? They were going to drop Crawford.
But they couldn't. You know? Either way, I'm
pretty good with this job and shit. You know?
Mario Barrio's mini Pacquiao. I knew that shit
was going to happen too. You know? It just...
I know. He's got that fucking six million they're
going to job. Brian Norman Jr. Which hurts me
because that's... He's a lot... I would much
rather watch a Brian Norman Jr. fight than a
Devin Haney fight. And that's my two -piece.
Yeah, that's my two -piece biscuit. Yeah, let's
keep it rolling. Into Sunday, September 14th,
Ohashi promotions at the IG Arena in Nagoya.
Two things from this one. What the hell was that?
What was that? That was weird. Christian Medina
stops Yoshiki Takei in four to claim the WBO
bantamweight title. Beatdown. Interesting beatdown
with that. Takei was on his bike, like, from
the beginning. He felt that fucking Mexican power.
Yeah, I mean... He wasn't having it. That rivalry
between the Mexican and the Japanese are on the
rise soon. It's coming up. It is. We'll talk
about it another day, but I mean, Picasso and
Inouye, most likely a possibility for December.
Oh, that's pretty sure it is. Yeah, I was about
to say, I'm pretty sure it is. But that rivalry
between Mexicans and Japanese, it's getting heated,
Makai. Naoya Inouye, speaking of. UD over Murojan
Akhmadaliev. From what I remember, just the sound,
boxing, Murojan did not have a lot of answers
and did not pose a whole lot of questions that
Naoya Inoue couldn't answer. So, I don't know.
Not much more to it, I think. Well, something
you can't say, it was not a fucking top rank.
It was not a fucking... Broadcasted live. That
was on Facebook. What the hell was that about?
Out of all the places they could have posted
that, got in Facebook. That is fucking weird.
You know? When was the last time a big fight
like that was posted on Facebook? If ever. You
know? The last thing that I remember ever being
hosted on Facebook was Golden Boy Fight Nights.
Like their smaller prospect cards. That's pretty
much it. And that was, I don't even know how
long ago. Ages, before COVID. Before COVID, yeah.
Fucking crazy, you know? They say that, how many
people, like 40 million, not 40 million, that's
crazy. Like 2 million people were watching. Were
there? Well, they said like an absurd amount
of people were watching the fight. I was like,
I don't even think there's that many people still
using Facebook. So we know for, in a way, we
know that Picasso is next. That's December 26th
or 27th. I don't remember which. 27th. What's
next for MJ? MJ shoots. I don't know, but for
how many years have they been calling for this
fight, the MJ fight? At least two. How many years?
At least two, and it ended up happening like
that. Yeah. You could have done better, dude.
Could have done anything to make that, make yourself
worthy of that slot. Yeah. But he was just, that
was a bull, Jevin Makalai. Yeah, rematched Topalos.
I really thought that MJ was going to do better.
I did too. But at least a better fight, you know.
Even if he got knocked out, you know, even just.
Could have put him in a better fight. But he
didn't. Yeah. I mean, he didn't get knocked out.
No, he didn't. But I was one of the people that
was saying that even though MJ lost to Topalas,
that it's still a good fight. MJ versus Inouye
is still a good fight. And I was expecting better.
Not sure how else to put it, but just better.
Yeah, just... any way is better. I mean, again,
Silver Lion being he didn't get knocked out,
but does that even matter? You know? Yeah. I
mean, I remember the Raymond Cardenas fight a
lot more than that fucking MJ fight. Seriously.
Seriously. Yeah. Granted, at the same time, I
was still hyped high off the Crawford win, so
there's that too. But still, I digress. Let's
roll on. Fucking... This one, I'm going to skip
over. It's the No Limit fight in Queensland,
Australia, in Tennyson. Liam Parrow gets a UD
over David Papo. I'm going to skip this one because
on Boxing Before Dark, had a good conversation.
With Jacob. He was there. And he rewatched it.
And he gave a really good breakdown. And I will
not do it justice. And I believe. By the time
you're hearing this. That episode is already
out. Saturday. September 20th. It's our last.
Last things. I crashed out talking to Shenada
about this one, so I'm going to try to keep my
composure a little better here. Mickey Scala
is a local prospect. His gym is actually not
too far from where I live, and he got stopped
in two by Jose Perdomo. Kind of an interesting
outcome, you know? disappointing yeah it's funny
but interesting to say at least that was i don't
know they even hyping that guy up for some time
you know yeah he's been one of their poster childs
for a minute and this was supposed to be another
showcase for him and he gets tagged once and
then he just completely loses his mind and goes
shells up and then just gets battered until it's
stopped You'll probably get a rematch. Oh, yeah.
They were immediately calling for the rematch.
No doubt about it. I mean, a lot of those fights,
I'm pretty sure, do have rematch clause, right?
If they lose, you know? Oh, yeah. For the A -siders,
I'm sure they get. They have the luxury. We over
here on the B -side don't get that same courtesy
extended. Never do. Moving on. Golden Boy at
the Fantasy Springs Casino. Two fights on here
I wanted to point out. Gabriela Fundora. Whoops.
Alexis Kubicki. Just belt to ass. Bad, bad, bad.
Beats her ass. Love Gabby. We love Gabby here.
Big time Gabby gamers. She's looking to be greater
than, in my opinion, she's looking to be greater
than Clarissa. Give it a good couple years, five
years, I think she'll pass Clarissa. She's going
to have to do undisputed in a few divisions as
well, if she wants to get herself into the conversation,
I think. I think she can do it. She's skilled
enough, I think. She is skilled enough, and she's
tall, so... Well, no shit. But... I understand.
She's got the frame to be able to move up. She's
her brother. She's the version of her brother
in that division, you know? Yeah, definitely.
Paul and Linky. Most CMO fighters over there
are like, what, 5 '3", 5 '4"? Something like
that. Probably smaller. Yeah. Crazy. Main event.
Oscar Collazo gets the corner. The corner pulls
the plug on Jason Vason. I don't care what the
broadcast team was saying. I'm saying Jason Vason.
Jason the Jason. So there were some interesting.
Something interesting about the stoppage was
that the head coach did not pull the plug. It
was the chief second. And the head coach was
not pleased with the stoppage. Jason was not
pleased with the stoppage. What else? Jason had
fought as high as 115. He spent most of his career
between 108 and 112. And so he's cut some...
There was some, I don't know, rumor mill that
he had a bad cut getting back down to 105. I
don't know. I haven't heard about that. I haven't
heard about that at all. Yeah, it's probably
just rumor mill bullshit, but... I believe the
115, but I don't know about the other stuff.
Koyasu looked good. Yeah, bottom line, he looked
solid. Yeah, he looked good. He had good angles.
He looked like his usual self. He was in pretty
good control. He was getting hit a little bit
more than usual. I guess excluding that time
he got knocked down, but other than that, he
was getting hit a little bit more than usual.
He took it well, but... I mean, Osprey was probably
the most well -known guy in... That division,
you know? By far. By far, yeah. But, I mean,
I don't know. What do you think? Do you think
Oscar Collazo is a bigger draw, being from the
small division, or Gabby Fandora? Ooh. I would
say Gabby, because she's got the Fandora name.
I tend to agree with that statement. Yep. Anything
more for Oscar or Gabby? Nope, they both did
great. I expected them to do what they did. You
know? Yeah. They handled business. Handled business
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do not have... A whole lot coming up this week.
But we do have a lot of news that has come about.
Ricky Hatton passed away. I know it's been a
minute already. Nonetheless, he deserves his
few minutes in the spotlight. Rest in peace to
Ricky. Hell of a fighter. There was... An interesting
question that Shanada and I kind of pored over
was that Joe Calzaghe was voted as the best British
boxer just of all time. Of all time, yeah. And
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of being in that conversation just because he
was such a huge name. Everybody loved Ricky Hatton.
I mean, he was probably the most well -known
British fighter. I would say probably post -Eubank,
pre -Joshua, you know? Yeah. For those couple
of years in between, you know? Besides Lennox
Lunas as well. But he doesn't count. No, I don't
count Lennox Lunas as British. Yeah, yeah. He's
not really British. But either way, post -Eubank,
pre -Joshua, he was carrying the Brits. He was
carrying the Brits. Like, Kawasaki got the wins.
And, like, Ricky had his biggest fights. He lost.
He was a hell of a fighter. Yeah, still a hell
of a fighter. Hell of a fighter, you know? That's
the thing. Like, Roberto Duran, right? His biggest
fights, he lost to Thomas Hearns. He lost to
Marvin Hagler. He lost to Sugar Leonard. But
he's still considered one of the greatest of
all time. For multiple reasons, but one of them
being he always put up a great fight. You know?
People love watching the guy. Same thing with
Ricky Hatton. He was a hell of a fighter. Absolutely.
He's not the typical great fighter. He was something
else. You know? He went toe -to -toe with Prime
Pacquiao. You gotta be some kind of lunatic.
Yeah. Special kind of fucking crazy. With Prime
Pacquiao, too. Yeah. You gotta respect his balls.
Yeah. He had it. Yeah, he had a whole lot more
than most other people. You know? And I say farewell
to him. Yeah, farewell to Ricky Hatton. Peace,
Ricky. Blessings up to his family, Campbell.
All right. Moses Itauma rejects an IBF eliminator
that would have put him into mandatory for Usyk.
The IBF eliminator being Frank Sanchez, correct?
I believe so. Yeah. I mean, I know I've been
out here calling out for that Usyk fight, but
honestly, this was the smartest decision he could
make. That's rushing it way too fast. You know?
Unless he's just going to fight Usyk right now,
whether he's going to do some bullshit, I don't
know. But either way, if he's not fighting Usyk,
he's not fighting the IBF mandatory, then it's
very smart. Get that experience in. Try to go,
not try to go to the distance, but try to get
some rounds in. before you get to even that mandatory
level, you know? Before he hit the Adria Caballos,
before he hit the Frank Sanchez, you know? Before
he hit the Parkers. Those guys have been fighting
since he was like 10 years old. You know? He's
got to get some years in. Yeah, they've been
on the world stage since he was like 10 years
old. Exactly. I mean, when did Joe Parker become
champ first? That was like around, what, 2016?
2015? Yeah, around that time. Because that unification
with Joshua was like 2017, 2018, right? Yes.
Yeah. I mean, yeah, that was 10 years ago, man.
That was 10 years ago. So you got to get some
rounds in before you fight these veterans, you
know? Of course, if you're different, you could
just fight them to win. You know, if you're that
guy. But we've... You got to play it safe. Build
your way up. Fight a Vianello. Maybe even fight
a Torres. He's doing good, but you can't rush
greatness. I don't think that it's that Itama's
not great or doesn't have the potential to be
great. It's just that Usyk is a different fucking
animal. And I don't think there's nothing that
Itama has done to this point that would make
me think he could even win a six -rounder. With
Usyk. Oh, yeah. I think, again, like I said,
if there's a guy that can beat Usyk, it's probably
Mo Zatama. I think. My opinion. Power? But...
Power? Are you saying with power? Yeah, with
his power. Is that what it is? Well, yeah, with
his power and his timing. You know, he seems
to have pretty slick timing. Pretty good accuracy
as well. He lands on Usyk. You never know. You
know, again, his power is untested at this level.
Yeah, he fought Dillian White, but it's Dillian
White. He's that man's been knocked out multiple
times. We got to see him knock out someone who
hasn't been knocked out before. That's known
to really know what kind of guy he is, you know.
If he goes the distance with someone like Joseph
Parker, let's say he fights Daniel Dubois. Daniel
Dubois or Filip Hergovich. If he fights either
one of those and doesn't knock him out, then
you can kind of piece together where his power
lies, you know. He still could be a stillful
fighter, but that power is a great equalizer
with Usyk. You know? Because otherwise, you're
not beating Usyk. Usyk is the man at that division.
You know what I mean? Yeah, absolutely. But yeah,
I think it's smart of him to maybe just take
it a little slower. You know? Let it develop.
Don't rush it. Speaking of Usyk, who could be
next for him? The posts that I found had Joseph
Parker, Fabio Wardley, Tyson Fury, Anthony Joshua,
Jake Paul. Well, Jake Paul's already fucking
busy with a fucking tank. You can call that busy.
Yeah. Even. I mean, best guy that... that deserves
a shot, in my opinion, is Joseph Parker. Joe
Parker absolutely deserved that shot with Usyk.
I mean, Ajay Kabayel, yeah, he's pretty good,
but I think that Joe Parker... Joe Parker's done
more. Yeah, Joe Parker's done more. I mean, what?
Ajay Kabayel, he just fought Big Bang Jang, right?
That was... How many fights did it go for Joe
Parker? That was the fight before his last? I
think so. That was the fight before his last.
I think he deserves it more. At the same time,
I don't really consider Joe Parker the greatest
heavyweight, but I can't help to like the guy.
I can't help to not want to support him, not
want to root for him. He seems to be a cool guy.
Granted, will he win? I don't know. Probably
not. That's yet to be seen. It's a different
style than what Usyk has had to face. Yeah. Yeah,
you're right. That's what I like about the matchup.
Because with Fabio Wardley, it's just another
big dude with big hands, right? Yeah. Just got
to watch out and you'll survive. Joe Parker,
he's a little interesting, you know? Granted,
Usyk is the master adjuster. So, like I said,
I can't really expect much. to be different.
Speaking of AJ, well, we weren't really talking
about him, but who's next for AJ? Throw his ass
in there. Throw his fucking ass in there. Who's
next for AJ? He's got to make a comeback eventually.
Well, in my opinion, not someone with power because
he got knocked out his last fight. He didn't
even come back this year. You know? Which is
kind of... A little worrying. You know, he should
have maybe had a tune -up fight sometime this
year. You know? When did he have his surgery,
by the way? Let me ask that. When did he have
his surgery? I think it was in May or June. May
or June? Yeah. So he's coming out about that
time. Yeah, he's coming back right now. So, get
some training in. I would say probably fight
someone in the top 10. You know? Maybe if I bring
Sanchez. The post that I found that made me think
of this question was Jake Paul, Tony Yoka, or
Martin Bacoli. I don't know. That's kind of...
What do you think? You tell me first and I'll
tell you my idea. I think he should stay the
hell away from Martin Bacoli. Jake Paul, I guess
if you want to make some good money, sure. But
Tony Yoka, that's the fight to make. The two
gold medalists in the back -to -back Olympics,
Tony Yoka's kind of washed out, but still, he's
at the level AJ needs to rebuild his confidence,
plus coming off a surgery. This is exactly where
he needs to be, is Tony Yoka. I mean, I disagree
with those takes. Obviously, he should get a
tune -up, but I think it should be someone that
is relatively harmless. You know? Just to get
his confidence up. Because the way he got knocked
out last time was bad. Really bad. Yeah. You
know? Tony Yoka, yeah, he's older. But you never
know, man. Tony Yoka, he can... I'm not gonna
lie. That man has some hidden magic, dude. I'm
not gonna lie. He can pull some shit out of his
ass. Martin Bercouli, too. Martin Bercouli. I
would not want to put anybody with fucking Martin
Bercouli right now. Like fucking Anthony Joshua
with a chin. You know, anybody with a chin should
not be with Martin Bercouli. Maybe. I know this
might sound crazy. You can make fun of me. Jared
Anderson. I think Jared Anderson would be good.
That's not bad. Jared Anderson would be, I think,
a pretty solid fight. Or AJ. Big Baby as well.
Big Baby Miller. Not bad of a fight. Not bad.
Now, if you really want to get fucking testy,
if you want to be funny as hell, you can do an
AJ trilogy. Or an AJ -Andy Ruiz trilogy. Who's
that? Yeah, not bad. I think the better question
is, what should be the next fight after AJ's
next, if he wins? So he wins is like a soft touch.
And then what does he do after that? I'm still
going to say Tony Yoka just because that's a
big fight between England and France. So that
should be fun. You want to say AJ Fury? Oh, shit.
I completely forgot about Tyson Fury. AJ Wilder.
I mean, yeah, say what you want, but AJ Fury
is still a huge fight. Not so much AJ Wilder.
Yeah, those are both still huge. I don't know
about Wilder's too much right now, but AJ Fury
is the fight to make, I think, at heavyweight.
The next big money fight at heavyweight. Or you
could do a Dubois rematch with AJ. Now, is that
smart? I don't know. Dubois beat the fuck out
of AJ. Yeah, he beat his ass. I felt secondhand
embarrassment for AJ. Yeah, that was rough. That
was really rough. Now I can say, speaking of
AJ, do you think he makes the Hall of Fame? Oh,
we were talking about this earlier today. Yeah.
I think he'll probably make the Hall of Fame
in like 20, 30 years. He's fought a lot of guys.
A lot of British guys. Now, were they good? Not
really, but I still think that He fought a lot
of competition. He fought Usyk. If he fights
Fury, depending on who wins, you know? Because
I think Usyk's going to make it in the Hall of
Fame. Fury will make it in the Hall of Fame,
for sure. Those two, for sure, are going to make
it in the Hall of Fame. AJ, give it about 20
years. Oh, he's not going to be first ballot.
Oh, no. No, not at all. The first one, the first
ballot's going to be Usyk, then Fury. Then AJ.
Wilder, he's not going to be in the Hall of Fame.
Best fight with him is Luis Ortiz, but that's
Luis Ortiz. He's good still, but it's not Hall
of Fame worthy. Yeah, it's not great. It's like
if Crawford knocking out Gamboa, would that really
be his Hall of Fame pick? Would that put him
in the Hall of Fame? No. You know what I mean?
It's a good stoppage. A stoppage, yeah. But is
that... Not Hall of Fame worthy. No, definitely
not. Exactly, no. Canelo is going to put him
in the Hall of Fame. He already is one of the
greatest fighters of all time right now. So,
Crawford, I don't got to question that. Usyk
beating AJ, Usyk beating Fury, Usyk beating Chisora,
all the guys at heavyweight puts him in the Hall
of Fame 100%. We'll see what happens with AJ.
Yeah, but I mean, that's fucking Wilder, though.
Did he deserve a shot with Usyk? I don't think
so. Tyson Fury pieced him up enough. Yeah. You
kind of knocked him out of the running. Yeah.
I think Fury belongs in the Hall of Fame just
for his fights with Wilder. That's probably the
last great heavyweight trilogy that we've had.
That is the last great heavyweight trilogy. I
don't know if you've ever rewatched those fights,
but it reminds me of... The fight you see in
the 90s, dude. I remember we watched Razor Ruddick
fucking... Yeah. That third fight, in my opinion,
was probably the best one. That reminded me of
Ruddick and Morrison. I really liked the first
one. The one that... It just had a lot more back
and forth. Yeah. First and third were the best.
Yes. Second was a little more... Oh, that was
trash. Yeah. It was just a nasty thing. Yeah.
First and third were legendary. I hate to make
a comparison. I know this might sound fucked
up. You can make fun of me, but that trilogy
just oozes, oozes Gorilla Manila type shit. You
know? Interesting. I know you, I'm going to get
so much fucking hate for this shit. I'm going
to get hate for this shit. You can make fun of
me. No, I don't think it's unrealistic to call
it like the modern equivalent. Yeah. The modern
version of that. Because you got a guy that's
quick on his feet, that can box. It's like the
dollar store thrill in a manila. Not thrill in
a manila, but that trilogy, you know? That trilogy.
The third one reminds me of the thrill in manila,
considering how it ended. But, I mean, that trilogy
is just legendary. Probably one of the best heavyweight
trilogies of all time. Make fun of me, I don't
give a shit. Fantastic trilogy. You know? You
got a boxer, and you got a puncher. You know,
first fight, I want to say ends like the first
fight with Ali and Frazier. You know, not really
a second fight. I don't know. I'm just saying
it was a legendary fight, you know. That's all
I'm really saying. Bringing it back around. Yeah.
Will AJ make the Hall of Fame? I'm going to say
yes. It's not going to be right away. He's going
to need some – he needs his Hall of Fame wins,
like you already put it. Like if he fights Tyson
Fury and beats him. holy shit that's that's that's
a good like a cherry on the on the sunday but
as he is right now i don't uh it's gonna it'll
be some time he's going to make it yes eventually
but he's not gonna make it on strictly his fight
resume it'll be because like he had these massive
events like 90 000 at wembley like four fucking
times or whatever yeah I mean, I think probably
his Hall of Fame induction would be because of
the Klitschko fight. Oh, right now that's his.
But Fury did that before him. You know, Fury
was the original. You know what I mean? Yeah,
definitely. Besides Klitschko, though, what other
fight would you think would be Hall of Fame worthy
enough? for AJ right now? Yeah, besides Klitschko.
Besides Klitschko. And not Nganou. Not Nganou.
No. That didn't even cross my mind. I don't know.
I don't know. I'm going to have to have a look
at his fucking resume here. Because I don't know.
What else he has that's really that big of a
deal? Yeah, I mean, he lost to Usyk both times.
Lost to Andy Ruiz. Beat him in rematch, but still
lost. He beat Joe Parker. Albeit in a decision
win. He beat Povetkin at Prime Steroids. Yeah.
That's not like a marquee win, though. I don't
see anybody on here. So are we just calling AJ
overrated now? Is that what we're saying? AJ's
a fucking bum. Are we just saying that now that
he's overrated? Yeah. Yeah, he's overrated. He
lost both of his Usyk fights. He lost to Daniel
Dubois. Well, the loss has kind of aged okay.
Dubois turned out to be better than I gave him
credit for anyway. Uh -huh. Loss to Andy Ruiz.
I'm going to say he ducked Prime Wilder. He ducked
Wilder or Wilder ducked him? Yes. The chicken
laid the egg or the egg laid the chicken? What
came first? AJ ducked Wilder. That's what I'm
going with. Okay. I'm going to side with a fucking
Brit over red, white, and blue Deontay Wilder.
Well, I don't know. That Wilder three -fight
deal for DAZN was kind of bullshit. You know?
Yeah. They could have easily made $50 million
each. I still weep at that idea. Probably could
have revived the heavyweight division in America
in general. You know? I don't know. It could
have revived boxing in America if Wilder won.
I still think if Wilder fought AJ instead of
Wilder fighting Fury, I think honestly Wilder
could have won. Yeah. You know, both undefeated.
If they were both undefeated. And, I don't know,
I just think that Wilder probably would have
won that fight. I think so, too. Not just my
bias as an American, but... Well, yeah, I mean,
you look back on it, I mean, AJ got knocked by
Ruiz. He got knocked out by Ruiz, got knocked
out by Dubois, knocked down by Klitschko. Usyk
had him on skates, which... I mean, Usko's had
Fury on skates, but that's fucking... That's
Fury. I mean, I don't know. I think Wilder probably
could have gotten a lucky shot and knocked out
AJ. Never know. The world will never know, honestly,
because we're... They're fucking never gonna
fight. Even if they do, it's, like, ten years
too late. Yeah. Fortunately. Man. They should...
That's the thing about... They should just make
the fights when... When it's possible, you know?
And that's kind of the allure with Riyadh. I
know we talk shit about Turkey Al -Sheikh, but
I'm going to play devil's advocate, okay? The
allure, the illusion that he plays is very smart.
He's the man that's making fights happen. You
know? That's why a lot of people have been turned
off boxing. It's because the fights never happen.
Exactly. AJ Wilder is a perfect example of shit
that's going to happen. And so a lot of people...
Well, maybe not a lot of people, but people are
kind of saying that Turkey is the man that makes
fights. Which, I mean, in retrospect, is true
to an extent. You know? Again, I talk shit about
him all the time. But, like, you could argue
that Usyk -Fury was going to happen. You could
argue that Better Be Vivo was going to happen.
Those were the two fights that... And Canelo
Crawford as well. Those street fights, people
argued that they were going to happen without
Saudi influence. I kind of disagree. I think
they needed that money to be paid to take a risk.
You know? I mean, if you're given $100 million
to fight this motherfucker, this fucking Ukrainian
guy, not too well -known of a Ukrainian guy,
you're going to take it, right? Yeah, for that
kind of money. For that kind of money, you'll
risk your fucking, you'll risk your life for
that. You know? So, playing devil's advocate.
Fuck Turkey. But the alert that he makes fights
happen is exciting to people. So there's that.
There's my two -piece. Still, fuck Turkey. That
alert isn't really too real because, again, like
I said, those fights probably would have been
made either way. But, yeah, that's my two -piece
on that. I'm playing Josh today. Let's get some
quick ones out of the way because we're just
about out of time. The Lester Martinez and Christian
Mbili rematch seems like it's going to be happening.
Happening right away. Better be 12 rounds. And
Tenshin Nasukawa will be fighting Takuma Inoue
in November. You guys say that Tenshin Nasukawa
is Japanese Lomachenko? Yeah, that's a Leo original.
That's the Leo original. So I believe you guys.
I'll be rooting for him. If he loses, I'm going
to blame you guys. Much to the dismay of Shinada.
She fucking hates him. Yeah. But she has to deal
with all the fanboys over in Japan. She's got
to deal with all that bull jive. Yep. That's
her Canelo. She was a Crawford fan. It's California.
Basically, let's say it like this. She's living
in California. She's a Crawford fan. Oh, yeah.
That's how I felt, honestly. All the fanboying.
Yep. I was actually glad. I was going to say,
I was a closet. I had to be a closeted Crawford
lover with a lot of people in my life. You are
vindicated. I'm vindicated, yeah. Anything more
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