This shit ain't nothing to me, man. This is Boxing
Before Dark. Boxing. Boxing. Boxing. Back. Back.
Back. Back. Back. Before. Before. Before. Before.
Boxing. Boxing. Boxing. Boxing Before Dark. This
is Boxing Before Dark. All right. Shall we do
the fucking thing? Let me pop. We should. This
is the last hop that I got. What are you drinking?
A hard seltzer. Truly is the name, and this is
the Unruly brand. Truly Unruly. Nice. A little
bit more potent than their usual potables. Nice.
I already told you, but I've got the pear ciders
from my home province in Japan. That actually
sounds pretty good. Like Asian pear. I love Asian
pears. I don't really like apple cider, but I
like pear cider. Yeah, pear cider is good. Yeah.
So there's quite a few right now. It's pear season.
So I've been trying all the kinds I could find.
I found these ones on Amazon. Had to get 24 of
them. I couldn't find them in the store. That
and Sapporo Gold Star was also on sale. Was that
the halfie that you left behind? Yeah. I wasn't
even drunk. I just opened it at midnight and
was like, what the fuck am I doing? Yeah, I've
had that happen before as well. similarly like
i just put it back in the refrigerator like yeah
well breakfast beer is always good yeah can't
the only way it could be worse is if you left
like a like a burnt out cigarette inside of it
oh that's that's the like the limit right there
all right anyways i'm not disgusting no let's
get into some boxing On that fucking wonderful
note, Boxing Before Dark, here we are, here to
talk all the goddamn fights. Oh, Shanada, what
is, what it do? What goes on with you? I was
on vacation last week. It was great. I highly
recommend if you have time and you don't want
to be, like, surrounded by tourists, to check
out Obihiro. Obihiro is on the big island of
Hokkaido. It's super easy to get to from Sapporo.
I took a bus. I got to see some countryside,
see some wildlife. I saw some deer, a fox, there's
cows, horses, all that good stuff. And they are
the only place that has draft horse racing in
the entire world. So big old draft horses pull,
I think, well, the weight. changes depending
on the race but it's a thousand pounds or more
usually over a maybe three foot high hill and
then uh five and a half six foot hill and uh
that's the race it's just a straight line over
two hills and who can get there first it was
really fun though and draft horses that's like
think budweiser commercials yeah Yeah, so these
ones tend to be a different breed. They have
two breeds and the... What are the Budweiser
horses? The Clydesdales are not what these ones
are because they're not powerful enough. These
are Belgians and some other breed. But it was
really cool. And the food in Hokkaido is my fucking
favorite. It's just all meat and vegetables,
which I really miss. living on the main island
because it's a lot of seafood so i went and it's
called butadon which is just pork bowls but not
the pork bowls you think of it's like fucking
thick ass side pork that's been marinated in
a slightly sweet sauce with uh onions and peas
on top of rice it's the best thing i've ever
eaten it's fucking delicious highly recommend
it I think Cocos would do you right. I really
do. But I cooked that at home. You just refused
to try it. I'll go try it. The thing is, I have
to go talk to the people here. I can't order
on a machine and they don't speak English. And
I don't speak Japanese. I didn't speak Japanese
either. And they understood my order perfectly.
Yeah, but you were in an army base. Close enough.
Close to. Close enough to one that, yeah, they
kind of understood English. Basic English. But
that's enough of that. You know who didn't understand
basic English? Maybe he did. Lester Martinez.
First Christian in Beely who did not. That was
a great fight, and I'm so happy the rematch seems
to be on. They're talking dates and everything
already. What are the dates being floated at
the moment? I think it was January that I heard,
maybe, or December. I'm trying to think of what's
going on at that time frame. I don't think anything's
been set yet. Like, if they're going to make
this an undercard, I don't know of what they
would attach this to yet. Inouye is in December.
Yeah. I don't think they would do this one on
an Inouye undercard. No. Yeah, so it was ordered
by the WBC. It might theoretically be for a belt
if... Crawford decides to vacate them? Yeah,
that is one of the questions that's hanging around
with 168 just in general. What's he going to
do with his titles? Yeah, I don't see any reputable
places throwing around dates. Maybe I made up
the beginning of next year thing. That does seem
like a reasonable time frame, though. Just based
on going from mid -September going to December
or early January, that's a reasonable time frame
to guess. Yeah, but I might have just made that
up. That might have been a complete guess. But
it has been ordered. The two camps seem to be
on board. It seems like it's actually going to
happen. It's going to happen next, which is good.
Like, that's one that I think needs to be soon.
Yeah, like, Lester Martinez and Christian Mbili,
they don't have the luxury of sitting back and
waiting to decide their next move. They don't
have, like, the notoriety or the fame or whatever
you want to call it. They have to step into challenging
fights. as often as possible if they want to
get their name profile built up. Yeah, but I'm
excited that for, well, not for once, but you
know how sometimes it just doesn't happen? Yeah.
Rematches that need to happen. I'm super excited
that this one seems to be happening and happening
when it should, not in five years when they both
suck. I don't think it'll take five years, but...
if it didn't happen immediately, it would, it
would have taken like one or two, two years.
And that would have, uh, it would have killed
a lot of the momentum that was behind their original
fight coming off of such a high, high profile
platform, like having the Canelo Crawford being,
being the on Netflix. That's your platform. You
got, Not dozens, tens of millions of people watching.
You can't just sit back and let a draw be what
you're remembered by. Exactly. Well, and you
were saying, what card will it be on? Honestly,
after that, with that kind of profile, they could
headline. I think people would tune in to watch
that rematch. just to watch that rematch like
if they did it on netflix again yes but if they
tried to put that onto a something else that's
where i'm not so sure i don't know like if you
put it on espn or something that's pretty easy
for people to get that's i think what it what
i was trying to get at is ease of access because
getting it on netflix that puts it in front of
we'll say I think Mike Tyson versus Jake Paul
was 40 million. Something crazy. That's the number
of people that you're putting this fight in front
of again. Or you could take the Canelo Crawford
number and say this is the same number that you're
putting in front of. But if they try to put it
on something else, like Christian and Billy,
Versus Lester Martinez 2. On Eye of the Tiger
promotions. Get the fuck out of my face. That
would be fucking atrocious. Yeah. That would
be a complete waste of everybody's fucking time.
Yeah. That would be a missed opportunity. For
sure. Yeah. Oh. Well. Speaking of opportunities,
Takuma Inoue versus Tenshin Nasukawa in November.
Tell me about this, because this is news to me.
It just got announced last week. Little Inoue
is fighting Tenshin in Tokyo in November. I forget
the date. I think it might be the 14th. Are you
going to go to cheer on Tenshin to victory? I
actually am thinking of maybe going, but not
to cheer on Tenshin. Not for Tenshin, of course.
I fucking hate him. It's not going to happen
because Takuma is not the guy to do it, but I
want Tenshin fucking out cold on his back. I
don't think Takuma has the power. I think he
can beat him. He could, yes. He could school
him. I don't think he could knock him out cold,
though, which is what I want. It's what I desire.
Yeah, if you wanted somebody to knock out Tenshin,
if you want him flat on his back, just count
it out. You're looking at, like, Nakatani. Yeah.
It wouldn't be flat on his back, but Seiya Tsutsumi
could get the knockout. Just straight accumulation.
He could dog him. He could dog him. Yeah. To
a stoppage. But not. Yeah. Takuma, you're not
the guy in this. Not for that. But I do think
Takuma should win this. You think so? He's not
going to be the favorite because. fucking fangirls
but the money the money line is gonna favor tension
of course yeah yeah so i'm gonna put some money
on takuma i really do think he's a better boxer
i would agree with that even though i'm by your
standards by what you know of the fanboy the
tension fanboy i i am not at all to that level
But as a foreigner, I am a bit of a tension fanboy.
All things notwithstanding, Floyd Mayweather's
fight, all of that stuff, not at all discounted.
I think tension's got the goods. I think he's
got the goods. tension has more power but i this
is definitely a step up and i i think he's gonna
stumble a hundred percent a step you think this
is a bigger how big how much bigger of a step
up from uh maloney is this because maloney was
a bit of a step up as well maloney was a step
up but maloney has negative power and maloney
was tagging him true absolutely true absolutely
true And I think Takuma's just as good a boxer
with slightly more pop. I think Takuma would
beat Maloney as well. I would agree with that.
But no, I think Maloney was a bigger step up,
and I expected Tenshin to stumble on that one.
And I think he stumbled, but he didn't fall.
He kind of did. Yeah, he did stumble to a degree.
For what a hater would want, not that big of
a stumble, but he did. No, but. Almost. He did.
I'm not. I can't deny it. Anyways, I'm going
to hate watch the fuck out of this one. I do
think it should actually be a fun fight. I am
excited for this. This is just for me as. tension
fanboy like me throwing my hands up for the people
who can't see like I'm throwing them up yeah
I'm a fanboy I'm really hoping that tension is
gonna he's gonna prove the doubters wrong once
again no there's only so much hate that you can
throw at him and there's only so much of him
proving you wrong that he can do I have an unlimited
supply of hate. Do not doubt my hate stories.
All right. Well, we'll keep an eye on it because,
man, that is exciting. And that's in November.
Yeah, I should have written down the date. But
I'm thinking of grabbing a hate ticket. But I'm
waiting to see what the undercard is. As far
as I know, they haven't announced any of the
undercard yet. So this is the main event. Oh,
shit. Man, if I could make arrangements for...
If it was... This would end up on a lottery,
right? No, it's not nearly that big. I thought
Tension was big enough to be a lottery. No, not
a lottery. No. And it's in some weird -ass little
arena I've never heard of. It's in the Toyota
Arena. That's silly. I mean, it probably holds
almost as many as Ariaka. I don't know. Still,
you should. If you could, you should do it in
Ariaka. It's in the same area. There's a whole
bunch of arenas there. Oh, in the Tokyo Prefecture?
Yeah, well, it's in... So there's Ariaka Arena,
Ariaka Coliseum, and this is in that same area,
the Toyota Arena. I don't know. I'm going to
see what tickets are and if there's anyone I
recognize on the undercard. But I bought a ticket
to the one event in November, so it'll also depend
if I can get time off work. Or not time off work,
really, but if I have to work the weekend. Should
be fun. Yeah, it'll be. I am sure that they're
going to make it a good card. It'll probably
be a lot of local prospects, but still, it should
be enjoyable. I still want to... I'm kind of
hoping, although he signed with the wrong promoter,
but I was kind of hoping Yokoyama would get on
this one. That would be a good placement. That
was the name I was trying to remember as I was
thinking of local names that you want to throw
onto a... Solid domestic dust -up. Yeah. I think
that's what the Ireland boys like to call them.
Yeah. Speaking of dust -ups, Pitbull vs. Roach
on Prime Pay -Per -View. I wrote this down. I
must have seen it, but... Yeah. It's a great
fight. Let me double check that. Because pay
-per -view seems odd. It's a great fight. It's
fantastic. Pitbull vs. Roach. That's the type
of shit that you, we, us, the fans, this is what
we want to see. This type of matchup. Pay -per
-view. I don't know about all that, dawg. Yeah.
Yeah, no, I didn't make a mistake. It is being
reported as a prime pay -per -view. So I haven't
seen any number, like, prices, but I don't know,
man. My biggest problem with these pay -per -view
cards is they're all fucking $80. Like, if you
want to charge me $20, $25 for this, I think
it's worth it. But $80 fucking dollars for Pitbull
versus Roach? It's just too much. I know that
everybody's always like, well, if you charge
less, you're going to get the same amount of
people buying it. And I just don't think that's
true anymore. The millennials have $25. And they
will pay $25 to avoid streaming fuck -ups. That
sort of shit. To get the legit feed. Yeah, yeah,
like... People our age, like, around 40, we all
know how to steal shit. But we all also generally
have $25. Like... And I'm willing to pay for...
It's not that I can't. It's that when you're
making it $80, I don't want to. exactly like
and i think maybe it's a bad comparison but silk
song just came out for 20 bucks and like even
the pirates are saying fuck you guys we're not
pirating this it's 20 bucks don't be a broke
bitch and go buy it right and i not that the
pirating people aren't going to still pipe like
stream these ones. But I think there's a big
group of people that would pay 20, 25 bucks that
are not going to pay $80. I must, for legal purposes,
say I would never, ever, ever pirate something.
And I, of course, would always gladly pay the
full price. So with that being said, like, there's
no goddamn way I'm paying $80. For Pitbull Roach.
This is a fucking excellent fight that I would
love to see. I'm not paying $80 for it. No, we're
going to end up fucking watching highlights the
next day, which sucks. Well, we'll figure a way
to watch it because we're crafty. I will say
that the $80 ones, just as a general tip. If
you have any fucking friends that watch boxing
at all. If you can get four people to come to
your house and everybody pays a $20 cover fee
to watch it, then it's a $20 pay -per -view for
you. But you shouldn't have to do that. Right.
Because that's what I used to do. I just put
like a little jar by the door and I almost never
got enough money to cover the pay -per -views.
Not everybody paid what they were quote -unquote
supposed to, but somebody always paid something.
Yeah, I was just thinking of the one time I had
a pay -per -view party, but I went all out. I
grilled up food and all sorts of stuff. Even
if you paid for the pay -per -view, or if you
tipped in for the pay -per -view, it was still
not nearly enough for what... all the money that
i put together for food and everything but still
it was uh i've had people people over for pay
-per -views and if just thinking of how many
people came over if i did just put like a five
five dollar cover that would have been enough
to i don't know cover beer pretty like pretty
much It would have been enough to cover something.
And fuck me, but that pay -per -view was not
$80. Yeah, and also, I'm a bitch when I'm watching
boxing. Don't fucking talk to me during the rounds.
There's lots of time between fights. We can talk
about whatever the hell you want to talk about
when they're not boxing. So I actually hate throwing
the parties because I just want everybody to
fuck off until the fight's over. So I'm not a
good host. That's fair. Like when I was watching,
I was also doing like live scoring for SP at
the time. Right. So I was. It was the same thing.
Don't fucking talk to me during the round because
I'm watching the fight. I'm glued to the television.
I'm just not going to talk to you. If you're
going to try to say something to me, I will say
things out loud as I see them. That is me taking
notes for myself. But if you try to talk to me
about what I just said, I'm going to ignore you.
Yeah. Sorry to tell you, I'm quote -unquote working
at the moment. Yeah, but... And you expect me
to pay $80 for Pitbull vs. Roach. Well, like
I said, I haven't seen that. I haven't seen a
price, but that's what they all are. So far,
all the prime pay -per -views have been in that
neighborhood. $60 to $80, we'll say. Even if
they made it $40, they'd get more people buying
it. Yeah. Lowering the price. Because a strong
majority of people are already prime subscribers.
Yeah. There's really no reason to make the price...
as high as it is like 80 per 80 bucks we'll just
say for the for the sake of argument 80 there's
no reason that it has to be 80 for everyone like
you could give a discount to the prime subscribers
yeah i mean the zone did that for a while they
did for a while but anyways enough about pay
-per -view numbers and how stupid they are yeah
well there's only yeah there's only so much i
can well before i just start repeating myself
uh boxing death in ghana yeah so ghana's actually
had two deaths this year which is a big deal
obviously it is So they had one, I think it was
May or March. And then just last week, I got
his name here, but I'm really bad at names. Ernest
Akashe. He's a light heavyweight boxer. He died
a couple days after his fight on September 12th.
And unlike Japan, Ghana is really, really taking
this serious. And they have stopped all boxing
in Ghana. indefinitely while they do some investigating
on why there's been two deaths and how they can
avoid it uh this this guy uh ernest he was like
locally famous as a boxer and he wasn't he wasn't
young but Anyways, Ghana has put all boxing on
hold, and AJ had planned to be fighting in Ghana,
I want to say December, he was going to have
a fight there, starting a bit of a world tour
type thing. So that obviously is also on hold.
I have seen some people speculating that they'll
pick a different African country. to host an
AJ fight in. I haven't seen anything official
about that. I actually haven't seen anything
official saying that AJ's fight is cancelled
in December or January. I can't remember when
it was. But if all boxing is on hold for now,
they might have to just straight up reorganize
his kind of African debut. Yeah. If Ghana is
your... Where you decided to make your first
bout. Ghana's a pretty good boxing country, actually.
There's been quite a few very famous Ghana fighters.
I can't think of anybody right now. I think Quarterly?
What was his name? He fought Delahoya. I think
it's Quarterly. Quarry? No. Quarry's the white
guys. Korti. Ika Korti is the one that I always
think of from Ghana, but I think, like, Comey's
from Ghana as well. Yeah, Richard Comey is also
from Ghana. Like, they've had a few world stars
come out of Ghana. And I wonder how many other
countries that AJ would consider wouldn't also,
like, suspend. suspend their boxing for i don't
think any other countries have responded in that
way but because anthony joshua his family is
gone and right that's what i was wondering is
where i think his tattoo no he's nigerian yeah
i was gonna man i fucking knew it i fucking knew
it I just wasn't sure where his roots, where
he claims his roots from. Nigerian. So maybe
they could move it to Nigeria, but I assume they
were doing Ghana because there's more of an audience.
Yeah. Major shrug on my part. I'm surprised they
didn't make it Nigeria in the first place. Because
there's a decent enough boxing crowd in Nigeria.
It's not like AJ claiming the roots. He's not
the only one. F .A. Adjogba claims Nigeria. That's
just for one other. I don't know how many actual...
big boxing matches they host in Nigeria. True.
Okay. All those guys are kind of famous from
elsewhere. Right. And Ghana is pretty close to
Nigeria. I think that's why they chose it. Also,
I might be talking out my ass. What's the official
language in Nigeria? Because Ghana is English.
Everybody speaks English in Ghana. The official
language in Nigeria is also English. Yep. Anyways,
I just thought I'd bring that up as news that
AJ's world tour has been slightly... Derailed.
Derailed. Slightly. But, speaking of British
boxing, Calzaghe was voted into the British Boxing
Hall of Fame and was also voted as the best British
boxer of all time. Best British boxer of all
time. This has sparked some debate online. A
lot of people are saying Lennox Lewis, but I
don't know if he really counts as British. He
gets counted as whoever wants to count him as.
But can you count him as the best British boxer?
He wasn't born in Britain. He didn't really go
to school in Britain. He is not very British.
He technically, on a technicality, competed for
Britain. When? His Olympic gold is Canadian.
Well, then that destroys any argument that I
had. So... I never thought of Lennox Lewis as
British to begin with. But that's just me. So...
Anyways, I just thought it was kind of cool.
I like Calzaghe. Man, I think that this just
comes at the wrong time because of Ricky Hatton
passing away. Yeah, but I mean, let's be honest,
Ricky Hatton isn't in the conversation for best
British boxer of all time. Most loved, maybe.
The cold scientist. No, but... He was loved as
a person more than as a boxer. Well, he was loved
as a boxer despite his success or lack of success.
It doesn't matter. He brought the crowd out.
People loved Ricky Hatton, but Joe Calzaghe won.
People loved his boxing. People loved that he
won. People loved Ricky Hatton as Ricky Hatton.
Man, it's just difficult because Ricky Hatton
brought the people out. He would have stadiums
filled. Oh, for sure. Like, he's traveling to
the U .S. or wherever the case is, and he's filling
up stadiums. And Joe Calzaghe, it's like, I think
this is the football comparison that comes to
mind for me is Peyton Manning versus Tom Brady.
And Calzaghe is Brady. He's got the victories.
He has the rings. He has the titles. He has the
wins. But Peyton Manning has like the records.
I guess. I guess. I'm reaching there. I just
think Ricky Hatton was loved for being Ricky
Hatton, and Joe Calzaghe is only liked because
he was a boxer. I don't think people like Joe
Calzaghe very much. Well, he's Welsh. And if
he wasn't a boxer, people wouldn't like him.
But Ricky Hatton seems like people liked him
just because. Well, because he was British British
versus Calzaghe was Welsh. I guess. So that makes
him a second -class citizen, basically. Yeah.
Anyways, I thought it was interesting. It is
interesting, because... Just because that's not
a vote they needed to do either. It's not like
every year they vote on whether they're going
to name the best British boxer. And it was just
the timing of it. Like, can we really take maybe
delay the vote on the best British boxer of all
time for at least a year while we wait for the
time of a. I assume this was all done before.
Perhaps. Perhaps. In stupid news, Tank has announced,
quote -unquote announced, his retirement on Twitter.
He's not fighting after the Jake Paul fight because
boxing is dead. Is that his rationale? Yeah,
I should have found the actual tweet. But boxing
is dead and the fans are all fickle bitches and
he's done with our shit, apparently. Oh, well,
that's fantastic because he's a fickle bitch
and I'm done with his shit. So it really works
out really nicely. Yeah. Okay, here's the tweet.
Is he mad because everybody thinks that he lost
to Lamont Roche? That's definitely what he's
mad about. Here's the tweet, Leo. Boxing definitely
did a turn. It went from this side to that side,
and then it's the sunglasses emoji. And this
shit has no loyalty, so why would I care? I move
accordingly. Boxing is dead, and it's the sunglass
emoji with the peace. Yeah, you're upset that
everybody thinks you lost. That you fucking took
a knee and lost a fight. You lost to Lamont Roach,
and you're upset about it. And you're a whiny
little bitch. Oh, man. For a long time, I was
a tank defender. It wasn't until he fucking straight
up... Gervonta, I know you're listening. You
lost. To Lamont Roach, you lost. You fucking
lost. I'm not sure how else I'm supposed to phrase
that. You lost and they bailed you out because
you're the A -side. You got bailed the fuck out,
my man. You lost to Lamont Roach. You lost. Before
that, I was a staunch tank defender. Always,
um... Trying to prop him up and sing his praises.
But after that, it was like, what the fuck? What
am I even doing? Yeah. He also looks super fat
in the press conference. Well, I shouldn't throw
shade for that. I am also fat. It's like a free
weight fight anyway, right? No, but like... It
looks like he has not been taking care of himself.
Oh. Levels of gaining weight. Like Patty... Not
quite Patty Pimplet, but... Patty Pimplet is
a really good analog. Because he does not take
care of himself between fights. Ricky Hatton
did not take care of himself between fights.
Ricky Fatten. Ricky Fatten. This is not like
throwing shade at the dead. This is... The fact
of the matter was the joke name was Ricky Fatten.
He used to use it himself. I don't think he hated
it. Okay, well, so he claimed it himself. Fantastic.
All right. Do you need to plug things, Leo? Yeah,
I do. I need to make these plugs now before I
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in your online security today. So, recapping
a little bit of stuff. Maybe you did, maybe you
didn't see. No limit at the Pat Rafter Arena
in Tennyson. I did not watch the Aussie card.
I was on vacation. That's all right. Liam Parrow
got a UD over David Papo. Did he get a decision?
Question mark? David Papo gave a good account
of himself. Jacob was talking about fucking Nomas
Paro. He was talking up Liam Paro's performance
like crazy on Discord. Yeah, well, he's also
Aussie, so he's like legally obligated to talk
up his people. He seemed really, really impressed
with Paro. I was not. Um, this would be a good
time to have Jacob on the show. Dude, tell me,
what did you see in Paro that I didn't? You should
send him a message and have him do a call -in
at least. Yeah, good idea. We interrupt our program
to bring you this important message. Should not
have raised a good idea. That was to get Jacob
back on the fucking show, so that's what we did.
Good to hear from you again. Yeah, no, it's good
to be back for a brief bit before I head off.
Yeah. All right, so I wasn't as impressed. Let's
just get right into it. I wasn't as impressed
with Liam Parra as Shanada was saying you were.
Yeah, I cheated up a little. I'm not going to
lie. But, no, I was at the fight, so what it
looked like to me was that he was getting out
of the way heaps. And it looked like early on,
Papo was landing some big shots, especially with
them straights. Obviously, Boyd got his eye caught
up. But other than that, I didn't even realize
that I think I just saw this guy fighting. I
was like, he's gone good. Because it looked like
whenever he was landing, he seemed to have this
specific plan to try and exit with the check
hook. And I thought that he was in control of
that. Like, he got hit on the way out more than
I thought he did initially, you know, at the
arena. But I thought he went into that with a
specific game plan, it seemed like. And to be
honest, I didn't really expect that from him.
I'm not going to lie to you. I kind of thought
he was going to show up. He was going to try
and counterpunch from mid -range and then get
his business done just with volume that way.
But it looked a little different. He obviously
fell back into that strategy for a fair bit.
We look at those later rounds where a lot of
people thought those were his more convincing
rounds. I thought the early ones, like the first
two to three, were maybe the more convincing
ones because that's where it looked like he was
trying to just establish. you know, what he's
doing with the body, what he's doing with getting
around on the outside. Yeah, I was impressed
by the game plan. I think the execution wasn't
as good as I initially thought it was when I
was watching it in person. But I like to see
how he's developed. I think the only drawback
was that I don't think he looks like he was hurting
any of the shots, no matter how clean they were.
And I think that's going to be something out
of his upper weight division, especially for
some of the guys that are in that division. above
that division because i don't think paro is going
to stay here because he's been fighting in a
lower division since the very start of his career
so i think he's hitting that age where he kind
of naturally starts to bump up a bit so it's
going to be really interesting next few years
all right so i think the part you you noted the
part that was where i wasn't as impressed was
even though he was hitting papo pretty flush
it didn't look like he was very bothered. And
I thought, because he looked like an older gent,
so I thought that he might have less of a chin
because of it. Nah, he looks pretty unbothered.
As you said, I thought it didn't look like he
was attacking anything, which I guess comes on
to a different aspect of how you score boxing
fights as well, because I think some people make
the more damaging work better than the cleaner
work, per se. I think that's where I differ a
bit, but that's just also because I've watched.
so much amateur boxing to the point where things
like power don't register that much to me when
i'm watching the sport you know it's more just
something that i feel when i'm inspiring and
go damn that guy can hit yeah that's always how
i've judged um just because uh it's a little
bit of a carryover from watching mma where it's
like damage is supposed to be the the key component
to your scoring Yeah, it's definitely a big one
for some people and I know that's why they really
rate a lot of fighters that do Kind of you know,
they're happy to get hit three or four times
with some light set up shots That means they
can win that big counter Now like I think it's
Hank Davis and the way he fights and a lot of
wood He's built around with and he doesn't mind
if he gets peppered with a couple lazy jabs out
there so you can play like that and Completely
different for some different fighters. I think
that's that was probably power of strength early
on He was fighting the domestic competition.
He would be able to just wait and set up that
bigger shot. But, yeah, I don't think that's
something that's going to translate to this division.
There's going to need to be a lot of change in
his own individual approach. Fucking fantastic
insight. Yeah, no, it would just be interesting
to see how it goes, I think. Because he's got
a pretty decent team around him, I think. Like,
that Kuparu boxing gym, that's in my city, and
they've... Had some pretty good fighters come
out of there. They're very technically precise.
I think that's what I gather from whenever I've
seen those guys spar in a fight scenario. And
coming out of that setup, those coaches where
he initially was from, that seems to be a lot
of his philosophy and just that counterpunching.
I think one of the big things that will need
to happen in his game though, that's especially
being a Southpaw in that division. He's going
to defend that jab a lot better. I thought he
put a lot more effort into landing his own jabs
this time. He seemed happy to try and set things
up off the lead hand and off the check hook.
I thought, okay, he's being a bit more traditional
here. If you go back and watch that Hitchens
fight, watch what he's doing with his lead hand.
He's waving that shit everywhere. It's one minute,
it's above his forehead. The next minute, it's
under it. He's constantly waving it, trying to
trick Hitchens. Sometimes that rhythm works.
Sometimes it works, but against a guy who just
has a straight person of a jab, that's not going
to work because they're just going to keep popping
the shit out. You know, guys like Hitchens, that's
been his bread and butter for his entire career,
you know, since Amateurs. He's just going to
pop that out all fight. So no amount of deception
is going to stop him. Seeing him go away from
that was something I thought was really promising,
where he just fought with this traditional guard,
you know, wanted to frame out a bit, was happy
to move, use the ring. I think it's a new style
for him. I think it's a different one and he'll
need to adjust into it a bit. But I think interesting
really is just the best word for it because it
was very different to what I expected him to
do. How much do you think Papo being a lefty
as well? Because usually lefties struggle with
lefties, don't they? Yeah, they can because you've
got the same orthodox... fighting principles
but the difference between an orthodox fighting
an orthodox and a lefty fighting lefty is that
orthodox is basically 90 of the time they go
against or as a lefty you know as a southpaw
you might spy a southpaw very very rarely and
you have to be able to understand your basic
orthodox boxing stance principles and then apply
them again and for some guys who are able to
hit in both they love that right like you look
at corporate suspense and how he approached that
he knew that that body jab was there whereas
i think with pyro there was a new experience
for him i think he knew what he was getting into
but proposal really he's hard to pick off with
his rhythm you know he can fight a few different
ways and i think that's what pyro kind of He
was trying to figure out how he was going to
approach things, but because he wasn't getting
the usual shots and angles back, then it changed
the way that he counted completely different.
You know, like if he came into that fight with
the same things that he had worked on with, you
know, the lead hand control and the check hook
and using the ring, if he had those elements
and was just going against a similarly sized
orthodox, I think that would have worked really
pretty for him. Obviously, it's just a completely
different kind of fight. But I think it's one
that for the development of Poe, I think that
was a really good fight for him to have. I think
for him to be able to walk out of that with that
experience and with a win is good. But I'm more
interested to see what happens with the title
fight discussions because I think that was the
division. Was that where Boots? Yeah, he just
left. Yeah. I tell you what, I don't want to
get into how far over his boots would go. That
would be inhumane. Because, yeah, I don't know
who else is in that division that they're looking
at stepping up. But that'll be really interesting
to see. Because I'll be honest, I think a lot
of the guys, I don't think Papo is one of the
bigger or the harder hitting guys in that division.
So for him to look like he was getting hurt there,
it does raise some questions. The eye is going
to be a big question too, if that's going to
be a recurring theme moving forward. You can't
get into those walls every fight. He's at a stage
of his career where maybe he can afford a few
because he's been boxing for a while now. But
you don't want to be doing that every single
time you step in. Because that's just going to
take away his longevity. Especially because he
thinks he has a future in this division. I'm
assuming that's why he's moved there. he's not
going to be able to just run that back and do
that sort of fight every single time. It seems
to me that his approach in terms of being more
defensively responsible with the head movement,
the footwork, it's all there. But having the
right approach and then actually having it are
different things. So we'll really just have to
see how he goes against a different competition
because, you know, it's a sport with levels in
it. And we saw the levels when it came to him
versus Hitchens. on things like lead hand control
because kitchens understood that to a t like
he fought a textbook fight he was just landing
the jab he just kept landing kept landing kept
landing and then he had that right hand in the
chamber so whenever paro wanted to kind of slip
onto that you know inside of the jab it was waiting
right for him and paro who tries to counter with
the head movement it was a bit of a strange it
was a difficult fight for him so i think he was
being a bit more responsible but It didn't pay
off as well as it should if he wants to continue
in that division. Well, this has been really
insightful. Nah, I don't know. I thought a lot
about that fight. It was not what I expected.
Still, it was good to get an insider's view.
Plus, man, I appreciate it so much, and thanks
for having me back on to talk about it. Yeah,
of course. We'll have you on for something else.
Actually, there might be another one I want to
talk to you about later, but it's Sharnika. Oh,
yes. I want to talk to you about her and the
possibility of Gabby Fandora moving up. Ooh.
That's the kind of thought I want to see. Yeah.
That would be outstanding. I hope that happens.
I think both of them will be up for that because
Fandora, she's real good. But I think Shanika,
her last couple of years of development have
seen her in a really good spot as well. All right.
Well, I have to get back to this and I will let
you go. But it was good talking with you. Thank
you very much. Of course. I appreciate it so
much. Thanks, man. Have a good day. Take care.
Moving to Saturday, September 20th. Much to my
dismay, Mickey Scala drops the ball. Stoppage
in two. Oh, my God. Mickey. What? What the fuck?
What the fuck, dog? Oh, man. Jose Perdomo. Gets
the stoppage into stoppage win into there are
in calling for an immediate rematch and they're
calling it a lucky shot that got Scala buzzed.
Yeah, was it? And I'm really I'm doing the the
Jacobs no Masparo. sort of movement here. Like,
yeah, that's exactly what did it, right? It was
just like a lucky punch. I'm just really trying
to believe that there was something else going
on and it wasn't just that Mickey Scala got fucking
popped and did not understand how to defend himself.
He didn't know how to be in trouble. And that's
not something you can kind of like be taught,
I don't think. That's something that I remember.
Who was it? Tim Bradley used to talk about being
taught how to be in trouble. Yeah. Because nobody
wants to believe I'll get buzzed. nobody of course
you will yeah and but you will exactly you will
get caught you will get tagged no matter how
good you are as you get as you climb the ranks
as you get better so do the opponents and the
chances of you getting tagged of you getting
buzzed only increase But it doesn't seem that
Mickey Scala has had that moment in his training
yet. Hopefully he learned his lesson this time.
I want to believe that he did. If I have to go
over to... I know where his gym is. Go over and
smack him yourself. Teach him how to get in trouble.
How it is to be in trouble and how do you defend
yourself when you're in trouble? If I have to,
then I will. Coach Leo. I try not to pull that
thing, pull that tag out of the bag. But when
it comes to fucking Mickey, this was like the
hope for my city. Ugh. This is disappointing.
And it makes me think like he's not getting the
full spectrum of coaching. And that's where I'm
like, fuck. If I have to go down to your fucking
gym and teach you, then that's what we're doing.
Something is wrong. If I have to do this, then
something is very clearly missing. But whatever,
man, whatever it takes to get you back on top,
dog. I'm here. I'm here to help you. Moving to
a real quick one. Gabriela Fandora ass beating
over Alexis. As expected. As expected. It's unfortunate.
That Fundora beats that ass as hard as she did
because Alexis Kubicki, she's fighting today
as we're recording. But it was Naomi Valle's
opponent. Let me look. I want to get the name
right. Naomi Valle. Federica Macri. So, Federica
Macri got her ass beat by Kubicki. So, it was
just like, I don't know. Having common opponents,
maybe one of these women will be worthwhile for
Gabriela Fundora. But, Reality is that they're
fucking not. Gabi's one of those people that
just doesn't have the dance partners. She's gonna
have to go up or down. If she goes up, her only
real option is Mimi. Mizuki. Yeah, Gabi beats
the fuck out of Mimi. I love Mimi, but I don't
think that's a very close fight. I love Mimi
too. Keep sending letters like, hey, let's hang
out sometime. It doesn't matter because Gabby
Fundora is going to beat that ass. Ass beating.
This is annoying. So there's three or four websites
where it's really easy to get all of the standings
for the men together. And I don't think there
is one for the women's, where it has all the
champions in the rankings. Not having them all
in one place, no. That's really fucking annoying.
And it's not that difficult to do. BoxRec does
it, but they exclude the WBA. That's the unfortunate.
But I mean, for the men's, there's like five
different ones that are super easy to... just
click on and they're well put together. These
women's ones are garbage. I was trying to see
who's one weight class above her other than Mimi.
Naomi Valle is the younger sister of Yacosta.
Elaine Ruiz I've seen, but Gabby just beats the
crap out of her too. Yeah, I don't know what
to do with Fundora. She's just too good. No,
but she is. She is. I chuckle, but she is. If
she went up to 118, Trinica Johnson might be
a good fight. But that's jumping two weight classes.
I honestly still rate Gabrielle LaFleur over.
I do too. But I'm just saying like Gabby doesn't
have to chase people. That's where you start
finding challenges. Yeah. Is moving up two, three,
four divisions. Which is unfortunate. It is unfortunate.
I think Gabby is... I think she already knows
that's what I'm going to have to do to achieve
the greatness that I know that I'm worthy of
or deserving of. I'm going to have to move up
two, three, four divisions. It helps that she
has the height. I was gonna say, she has the
frame. Yeah, she has the height to do it. She
should be fine. So... I believe... I believe
in Gabi Fundoro. She's fucking good, man. She
is. Speaking of... Are they that good? Oscar
Collazo. Verse... Jason... Oh, let me... Jason
Vason. I don't care how they pronounced it on
the fucking broadcast. It's Jason Vason. Thank
you. I was going to say Jason Vison. No. That's
how they said it on the broadcast. I don't give
a shit how they said it on the broadcast. If
it's Vison, he's Jason Vison. His parents spelt
his name like that so they would rhyme. Jason
Basin. The actor, Sean Bean? No, no, no. It's
either Scene Bean or Sean Bond. Exactly. Make
a decision, asshole. Right. Oscar Collazo. This
was a weird main event. It wasn't a weird main
event. It was a good fight. I really enjoyed
the fight while it was happening. But it was
a weird corner stoppage that has caused some
controversy. Or not controversy, but within Jason
Vason's camp, controversy. He came out after
the fact and was really... I don't know, dismissive
or apologetic about his corner stopping the fight.
I'm really trying to figure out what the right
words are. Yeah. So I guess we should start at
the beginning because I know a bunch of people
probably didn't watch this one being minimum
weights. Of course. But it was a good fight.
So Jason Vason was landing some bombs, but Collazo
was wearing them well. And Collazo was hitting
Vason with probably not as hard of shots, but
he was getting wobbled and hurt multiple times.
And I rewatched it this morning just to make
sure I could talk about it properly. And I do
think there must have been something a little
off because... who's the ref thomas taylor started
checking on jason in the corner after the fifth
and he would come over and talk to him and talk
to the coaches and make sure he's okay so i think
there must have been something that people were
seeing in the ring about him being more hurt
than maybe it looked on the broadcast like maybe
he wasn't talking well or something and he did
get buzzed a few times And in the sixth round,
he looked pretty hurt, actually. And he wasn't
walking great going back to the corner. Now,
all that being said, it was not the head coach
that stopped it. It was the chief second that
stopped the fight. And the head coach was pissed
about it. During, like, during the broadcast,
he was yelling at him. And they're like, no,
we didn't stop the fight. And the ref's like,
nah, he stopped the fight. Like, there's no take
backs in boxing. So. Yeah. But, I will say, Colossal
was getting tagged. Like, Jason was doing pretty
good work. I did not expect it to be that close
a fight. But. Kalaza was taking the punches way
better, hands down. Like, Jason was getting wobbled
and looking hurt, but he was throwing back bombs
and fucking landing them. So, I don't know, it
was a really good competitive fight. And that,
I don't know if that plays a factor or not, but
Vason had been, he fought all the way up at 115
for a few fights. So I wonder if he didn't maybe
have not a great weight cut, and that's why one
of his coaches was more worried about him than
maybe everybody else was. That adds a wrinkle
that I was not aware of. Let me double check,
but I'm pretty sure he fought up at 115 for a
little while. But, I mean, he didn't look super
weight -drained. He looked okay. He was up at
112, not 115. Oh, no, he did have one fight at
115, and then he went back down to 112. And then
he went down to... Yeah, he was up at 115 for
one fight, and then down to 108, and then 112,
and then 108, 108. And then his weights aren't
listed for two fights in Thailand. So, I'm assuming
they were 105 fights, maybe? Maybe. Yeah, I saw
Jason Basin at the fights in Osaka, I think.
When I went. I'm pretty sure that's the event
I was at. And he was fighting at 108. Jason Basin.
Fucking great name. I love it. It is. But just
in general, I wonder if maybe there's some stuff
kind of behind the scenes that we... are unaware
of that makes this not a terrible stoppage and
the fact that the ref was checking on him for
two rounds ahead of time makes me think that
maybe there were some signs in the ring that
didn't come across on the broadcast perhaps because
usually like usually thomas taylor doesn't go
do that especially not at the beginning of fights
and if he is doing it he does it to both corners
he's a good he never he never checked on collazo
He went over and he tried talking to Jason, who
didn't answer him, and then he was talking to
the coach. And a couple times he turned to the
doctor and said, the coroner says he's fine.
So this is watching it back in hindsight. I wouldn't
have probably noticed if I didn't know that it
was a controversial stoppage. But Thomas Taylor
checking on him that much and, like, giving the
doctor a heads up, like, they say he's okay.
Makes me think maybe it's not that bad a corner
stoppage. Well, you're the expert. For me, when
it comes to the smaller weight classes, I defer
to your opinion. It was a really good competitive
fight. That's what I saw. A good competitive
fight. I would also rather have it stop too soon
than too late. Oh, well, with what we've seen
in Japan. and also Ghana. Yeah, and that sixth
and seventh round, Collazo was starting to put
the beating on his ass. He could have gone more
rounds. I'm sure he could have. But I'm also
relatively sure that he was going to lose that
fight. Unless he magically landed something big,
which he could. Like, Vason has power for 105.
But... Kalazo was wearing the punches really
well. I would say it's a fun fight to go watch
for those seven rounds that it existed. There's
a lot of cool little angles and shit. Kalazo
hits some great angles. He's really good at that
duck under quarter step to the corner and then
the body shot underneath. He's really good at
that. And Basin was landing some really solid
power shots like you had mentioned. He was. Yeah,
yeah. And the great thing about the little guys
is they were both throwing combinations and just
punching in between each other. Which is always
fun. Alright. If there's anything else... No.
That's all we got on the docket. There's nothing
upcoming at all? Not for this week. That's crazy.
Yeah. There is minor stuff, but nothing. Okay.
I trust you, Leo. It's not very often that there's
nothing. Yeah, it's a rare thing, but it happens
towards the end of the year. November, December
is starting to look good. Yeah, for sure. And
even mid -October is solid. So it's just right
now. Not a lot coming up. But it's all right
because we've had some good stuff pass by. And
there's going to be news. Always news. Are we
good? I think we're good. Okay, no parting words
this week? Yeah, that's actually exactly what
I was going to get to, was parting words. Parting
words. If we have nothing else, then that's where
we're at. Try a new drink this season. I've been
branching out away from just beers. But even
if you don't drink alcohol, go try a new juice.
There's so many juices out there that I've never
tried. I'm sure some of them are not terrible.
I tried melon milk. Disappointing. I thought
it would be better. Melon milk? Yeah, you know,
like strawberry milk? Yeah, yeah. But it's those
green honeydew melons they have in Japan. I thought
I would really like it. I did not. But I tried
it, and now I know I don't like it. Well, I'm
going to throw out a quote from Ralph Waldo Emerson.
We aim above the mark to hit the mark. Oh. Super
helpful. I know. Shoot for the moon and you'll
land in the stars? Yeah, basically. That's what
Emerson was going for. It's not bad advice. But
if that's going to do it for this edition, then
that's going to do it for this edition.