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This shit ain't nothing to me, man. This is Boxing

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Before Dark. Boxing. Boxing. Boxing. Back. Back.

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Back. Back. Back. Before. Before. Before. Before.

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Boxing. Boxing. Boxing. Boxing Before Dark. This

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is Boxing Before Dark. All right. Shall we do

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the fucking thing? Let me pop. We should. This

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is the last hop that I got. What are you drinking?

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A hard seltzer. Truly is the name, and this is

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the Unruly brand. Truly Unruly. Nice. A little

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bit more potent than their usual potables. Nice.

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I already told you, but I've got the pear ciders

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from my home province in Japan. That actually

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sounds pretty good. Like Asian pear. I love Asian

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pears. I don't really like apple cider, but I

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like pear cider. Yeah, pear cider is good. Yeah.

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So there's quite a few right now. It's pear season.

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So I've been trying all the kinds I could find.

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I found these ones on Amazon. Had to get 24 of

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them. I couldn't find them in the store. That

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and Sapporo Gold Star was also on sale. Was that

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the halfie that you left behind? Yeah. I wasn't

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even drunk. I just opened it at midnight and

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was like, what the fuck am I doing? Yeah, I've

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had that happen before as well. similarly like

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i just put it back in the refrigerator like yeah

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well breakfast beer is always good yeah can't

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the only way it could be worse is if you left

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like a like a burnt out cigarette inside of it

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oh that's that's the like the limit right there

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all right anyways i'm not disgusting no let's

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get into some boxing On that fucking wonderful

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note, Boxing Before Dark, here we are, here to

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talk all the goddamn fights. Oh, Shanada, what

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is, what it do? What goes on with you? I was

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on vacation last week. It was great. I highly

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recommend if you have time and you don't want

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to be, like, surrounded by tourists, to check

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out Obihiro. Obihiro is on the big island of

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Hokkaido. It's super easy to get to from Sapporo.

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I took a bus. I got to see some countryside,

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see some wildlife. I saw some deer, a fox, there's

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cows, horses, all that good stuff. And they are

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the only place that has draft horse racing in

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the entire world. So big old draft horses pull,

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I think, well, the weight. changes depending

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on the race but it's a thousand pounds or more

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usually over a maybe three foot high hill and

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then uh five and a half six foot hill and uh

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that's the race it's just a straight line over

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two hills and who can get there first it was

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really fun though and draft horses that's like

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think budweiser commercials yeah Yeah, so these

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ones tend to be a different breed. They have

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two breeds and the... What are the Budweiser

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horses? The Clydesdales are not what these ones

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are because they're not powerful enough. These

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are Belgians and some other breed. But it was

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really cool. And the food in Hokkaido is my fucking

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favorite. It's just all meat and vegetables,

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which I really miss. living on the main island

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because it's a lot of seafood so i went and it's

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called butadon which is just pork bowls but not

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the pork bowls you think of it's like fucking

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thick ass side pork that's been marinated in

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a slightly sweet sauce with uh onions and peas

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on top of rice it's the best thing i've ever

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eaten it's fucking delicious highly recommend

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it I think Cocos would do you right. I really

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do. But I cooked that at home. You just refused

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to try it. I'll go try it. The thing is, I have

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to go talk to the people here. I can't order

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on a machine and they don't speak English. And

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I don't speak Japanese. I didn't speak Japanese

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either. And they understood my order perfectly.

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Yeah, but you were in an army base. Close enough.

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Close to. Close enough to one that, yeah, they

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kind of understood English. Basic English. But

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that's enough of that. You know who didn't understand

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basic English? Maybe he did. Lester Martinez.

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First Christian in Beely who did not. That was

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a great fight, and I'm so happy the rematch seems

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to be on. They're talking dates and everything

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already. What are the dates being floated at

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the moment? I think it was January that I heard,

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maybe, or December. I'm trying to think of what's

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going on at that time frame. I don't think anything's

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been set yet. Like, if they're going to make

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this an undercard, I don't know of what they

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would attach this to yet. Inouye is in December.

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Yeah. I don't think they would do this one on

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an Inouye undercard. No. Yeah, so it was ordered

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by the WBC. It might theoretically be for a belt

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if... Crawford decides to vacate them? Yeah,

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that is one of the questions that's hanging around

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with 168 just in general. What's he going to

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do with his titles? Yeah, I don't see any reputable

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places throwing around dates. Maybe I made up

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the beginning of next year thing. That does seem

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like a reasonable time frame, though. Just based

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on going from mid -September going to December

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or early January, that's a reasonable time frame

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to guess. Yeah, but I might have just made that

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up. That might have been a complete guess. But

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it has been ordered. The two camps seem to be

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on board. It seems like it's actually going to

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happen. It's going to happen next, which is good.

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Like, that's one that I think needs to be soon.

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Yeah, like, Lester Martinez and Christian Mbili,

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they don't have the luxury of sitting back and

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waiting to decide their next move. They don't

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have, like, the notoriety or the fame or whatever

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you want to call it. They have to step into challenging

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fights. as often as possible if they want to

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get their name profile built up. Yeah, but I'm

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excited that for, well, not for once, but you

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know how sometimes it just doesn't happen? Yeah.

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Rematches that need to happen. I'm super excited

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that this one seems to be happening and happening

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when it should, not in five years when they both

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suck. I don't think it'll take five years, but...

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if it didn't happen immediately, it would, it

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would have taken like one or two, two years.

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And that would have, uh, it would have killed

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a lot of the momentum that was behind their original

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fight coming off of such a high, high profile

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platform, like having the Canelo Crawford being,

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being the on Netflix. That's your platform. You

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got, Not dozens, tens of millions of people watching.

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You can't just sit back and let a draw be what

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you're remembered by. Exactly. Well, and you

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were saying, what card will it be on? Honestly,

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after that, with that kind of profile, they could

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headline. I think people would tune in to watch

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that rematch. just to watch that rematch like

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if they did it on netflix again yes but if they

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tried to put that onto a something else that's

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where i'm not so sure i don't know like if you

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put it on espn or something that's pretty easy

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for people to get that's i think what it what

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i was trying to get at is ease of access because

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getting it on netflix that puts it in front of

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we'll say I think Mike Tyson versus Jake Paul

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was 40 million. Something crazy. That's the number

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of people that you're putting this fight in front

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of again. Or you could take the Canelo Crawford

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number and say this is the same number that you're

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putting in front of. But if they try to put it

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on something else, like Christian and Billy,

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Versus Lester Martinez 2. On Eye of the Tiger

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promotions. Get the fuck out of my face. That

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would be fucking atrocious. Yeah. That would

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be a complete waste of everybody's fucking time.

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Yeah. That would be a missed opportunity. For

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sure. Yeah. Oh. Well. Speaking of opportunities,

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Takuma Inoue versus Tenshin Nasukawa in November.

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Tell me about this, because this is news to me.

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It just got announced last week. Little Inoue

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is fighting Tenshin in Tokyo in November. I forget

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the date. I think it might be the 14th. Are you

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going to go to cheer on Tenshin to victory? I

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actually am thinking of maybe going, but not

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to cheer on Tenshin. Not for Tenshin, of course.

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I fucking hate him. It's not going to happen

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because Takuma is not the guy to do it, but I

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want Tenshin fucking out cold on his back. I

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don't think Takuma has the power. I think he

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can beat him. He could, yes. He could school

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him. I don't think he could knock him out cold,

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though, which is what I want. It's what I desire.

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Yeah, if you wanted somebody to knock out Tenshin,

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if you want him flat on his back, just count

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it out. You're looking at, like, Nakatani. Yeah.

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It wouldn't be flat on his back, but Seiya Tsutsumi

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could get the knockout. Just straight accumulation.

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He could dog him. He could dog him. Yeah. To

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a stoppage. But not. Yeah. Takuma, you're not

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the guy in this. Not for that. But I do think

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Takuma should win this. You think so? He's not

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going to be the favorite because. fucking fangirls

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but the money the money line is gonna favor tension

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of course yeah yeah so i'm gonna put some money

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on takuma i really do think he's a better boxer

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i would agree with that even though i'm by your

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standards by what you know of the fanboy the

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tension fanboy i i am not at all to that level

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But as a foreigner, I am a bit of a tension fanboy.

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All things notwithstanding, Floyd Mayweather's

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fight, all of that stuff, not at all discounted.

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I think tension's got the goods. I think he's

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got the goods. tension has more power but i this

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is definitely a step up and i i think he's gonna

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stumble a hundred percent a step you think this

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is a bigger how big how much bigger of a step

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up from uh maloney is this because maloney was

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a bit of a step up as well maloney was a step

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up but maloney has negative power and maloney

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was tagging him true absolutely true absolutely

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true And I think Takuma's just as good a boxer

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with slightly more pop. I think Takuma would

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beat Maloney as well. I would agree with that.

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But no, I think Maloney was a bigger step up,

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and I expected Tenshin to stumble on that one.

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And I think he stumbled, but he didn't fall.

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He kind of did. Yeah, he did stumble to a degree.

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For what a hater would want, not that big of

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a stumble, but he did. No, but. Almost. He did.

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I'm not. I can't deny it. Anyways, I'm going

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to hate watch the fuck out of this one. I do

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think it should actually be a fun fight. I am

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excited for this. This is just for me as. tension

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fanboy like me throwing my hands up for the people

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who can't see like I'm throwing them up yeah

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I'm a fanboy I'm really hoping that tension is

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gonna he's gonna prove the doubters wrong once

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again no there's only so much hate that you can

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throw at him and there's only so much of him

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proving you wrong that he can do I have an unlimited

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supply of hate. Do not doubt my hate stories.

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All right. Well, we'll keep an eye on it because,

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man, that is exciting. And that's in November.

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Yeah, I should have written down the date. But

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I'm thinking of grabbing a hate ticket. But I'm

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waiting to see what the undercard is. As far

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as I know, they haven't announced any of the

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undercard yet. So this is the main event. Oh,

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shit. Man, if I could make arrangements for...

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If it was... This would end up on a lottery,

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right? No, it's not nearly that big. I thought

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Tension was big enough to be a lottery. No, not

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a lottery. No. And it's in some weird -ass little

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arena I've never heard of. It's in the Toyota

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Arena. That's silly. I mean, it probably holds

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almost as many as Ariaka. I don't know. Still,

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you should. If you could, you should do it in

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Ariaka. It's in the same area. There's a whole

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bunch of arenas there. Oh, in the Tokyo Prefecture?

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Yeah, well, it's in... So there's Ariaka Arena,

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Ariaka Coliseum, and this is in that same area,

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the Toyota Arena. I don't know. I'm going to

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see what tickets are and if there's anyone I

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recognize on the undercard. But I bought a ticket

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to the one event in November, so it'll also depend

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if I can get time off work. Or not time off work,

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really, but if I have to work the weekend. Should

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be fun. Yeah, it'll be. I am sure that they're

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going to make it a good card. It'll probably

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be a lot of local prospects, but still, it should

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be enjoyable. I still want to... I'm kind of

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hoping, although he signed with the wrong promoter,

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but I was kind of hoping Yokoyama would get on

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this one. That would be a good placement. That

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was the name I was trying to remember as I was

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thinking of local names that you want to throw

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onto a... Solid domestic dust -up. Yeah. I think

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that's what the Ireland boys like to call them.

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Yeah. Speaking of dust -ups, Pitbull vs. Roach

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on Prime Pay -Per -View. I wrote this down. I

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must have seen it, but... Yeah. It's a great

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fight. Let me double check that. Because pay

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-per -view seems odd. It's a great fight. It's

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fantastic. Pitbull vs. Roach. That's the type

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of shit that you, we, us, the fans, this is what

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we want to see. This type of matchup. Pay -per

00:18:33.920 --> 00:18:37.920
-view. I don't know about all that, dawg. Yeah.

00:18:38.380 --> 00:18:42.279
Yeah, no, I didn't make a mistake. It is being

00:18:42.279 --> 00:18:46.660
reported as a prime pay -per -view. So I haven't

00:18:46.660 --> 00:18:52.200
seen any number, like, prices, but I don't know,

00:18:52.220 --> 00:18:57.319
man. My biggest problem with these pay -per -view

00:18:57.319 --> 00:19:01.779
cards is they're all fucking $80. Like, if you

00:19:01.779 --> 00:19:06.720
want to charge me $20, $25 for this, I think

00:19:06.720 --> 00:19:12.460
it's worth it. But $80 fucking dollars for Pitbull

00:19:12.460 --> 00:19:18.200
versus Roach? It's just too much. I know that

00:19:18.200 --> 00:19:21.039
everybody's always like, well, if you charge

00:19:21.039 --> 00:19:23.180
less, you're going to get the same amount of

00:19:23.180 --> 00:19:25.559
people buying it. And I just don't think that's

00:19:25.559 --> 00:19:31.740
true anymore. The millennials have $25. And they

00:19:31.740 --> 00:19:37.950
will pay $25 to avoid streaming fuck -ups. That

00:19:37.950 --> 00:19:42.009
sort of shit. To get the legit feed. Yeah, yeah,

00:19:42.049 --> 00:19:47.890
like... People our age, like, around 40, we all

00:19:47.890 --> 00:19:51.430
know how to steal shit. But we all also generally

00:19:51.430 --> 00:19:58.329
have $25. Like... And I'm willing to pay for...

00:19:58.329 --> 00:20:02.289
It's not that I can't. It's that when you're

00:20:02.289 --> 00:20:07.609
making it $80, I don't want to. exactly like

00:20:07.609 --> 00:20:11.410
and i think maybe it's a bad comparison but silk

00:20:11.410 --> 00:20:15.329
song just came out for 20 bucks and like even

00:20:15.329 --> 00:20:17.569
the pirates are saying fuck you guys we're not

00:20:17.569 --> 00:20:20.430
pirating this it's 20 bucks don't be a broke

00:20:20.430 --> 00:20:25.309
bitch and go buy it right and i not that the

00:20:25.309 --> 00:20:28.950
pirating people aren't going to still pipe like

00:20:28.950 --> 00:20:31.670
stream these ones. But I think there's a big

00:20:31.670 --> 00:20:35.049
group of people that would pay 20, 25 bucks that

00:20:35.049 --> 00:20:41.690
are not going to pay $80. I must, for legal purposes,

00:20:41.710 --> 00:20:46.329
say I would never, ever, ever pirate something.

00:20:46.650 --> 00:20:49.789
And I, of course, would always gladly pay the

00:20:49.789 --> 00:20:54.329
full price. So with that being said, like, there's

00:20:54.329 --> 00:20:59.119
no goddamn way I'm paying $80. For Pitbull Roach.

00:20:59.200 --> 00:21:02.660
This is a fucking excellent fight that I would

00:21:02.660 --> 00:21:07.299
love to see. I'm not paying $80 for it. No, we're

00:21:07.299 --> 00:21:10.559
going to end up fucking watching highlights the

00:21:10.559 --> 00:21:13.900
next day, which sucks. Well, we'll figure a way

00:21:13.900 --> 00:21:19.160
to watch it because we're crafty. I will say

00:21:19.160 --> 00:21:24.660
that the $80 ones, just as a general tip. If

00:21:24.660 --> 00:21:27.000
you have any fucking friends that watch boxing

00:21:27.000 --> 00:21:29.799
at all. If you can get four people to come to

00:21:29.799 --> 00:21:32.599
your house and everybody pays a $20 cover fee

00:21:32.599 --> 00:21:36.619
to watch it, then it's a $20 pay -per -view for

00:21:36.619 --> 00:21:40.059
you. But you shouldn't have to do that. Right.

00:21:42.279 --> 00:21:44.160
Because that's what I used to do. I just put

00:21:44.160 --> 00:21:47.299
like a little jar by the door and I almost never

00:21:47.299 --> 00:21:49.619
got enough money to cover the pay -per -views.

00:21:50.089 --> 00:21:52.809
Not everybody paid what they were quote -unquote

00:21:52.809 --> 00:21:55.950
supposed to, but somebody always paid something.

00:21:56.490 --> 00:22:00.170
Yeah, I was just thinking of the one time I had

00:22:00.170 --> 00:22:03.809
a pay -per -view party, but I went all out. I

00:22:03.809 --> 00:22:08.750
grilled up food and all sorts of stuff. Even

00:22:08.750 --> 00:22:12.690
if you paid for the pay -per -view, or if you

00:22:12.690 --> 00:22:15.589
tipped in for the pay -per -view, it was still

00:22:15.589 --> 00:22:19.380
not nearly enough for what... all the money that

00:22:19.380 --> 00:22:23.259
i put together for food and everything but still

00:22:23.259 --> 00:22:27.019
it was uh i've had people people over for pay

00:22:27.019 --> 00:22:31.480
-per -views and if just thinking of how many

00:22:31.480 --> 00:22:36.279
people came over if i did just put like a five

00:22:36.279 --> 00:22:40.279
five dollar cover that would have been enough

00:22:40.279 --> 00:22:45.339
to i don't know cover beer pretty like pretty

00:22:45.339 --> 00:22:48.619
much It would have been enough to cover something.

00:22:48.839 --> 00:22:53.920
And fuck me, but that pay -per -view was not

00:22:53.920 --> 00:23:01.359
$80. Yeah, and also, I'm a bitch when I'm watching

00:23:01.359 --> 00:23:03.819
boxing. Don't fucking talk to me during the rounds.

00:23:03.960 --> 00:23:06.809
There's lots of time between fights. We can talk

00:23:06.809 --> 00:23:08.990
about whatever the hell you want to talk about

00:23:08.990 --> 00:23:11.710
when they're not boxing. So I actually hate throwing

00:23:11.710 --> 00:23:14.130
the parties because I just want everybody to

00:23:14.130 --> 00:23:17.890
fuck off until the fight's over. So I'm not a

00:23:17.890 --> 00:23:24.130
good host. That's fair. Like when I was watching,

00:23:24.230 --> 00:23:30.349
I was also doing like live scoring for SP at

00:23:30.349 --> 00:23:37.519
the time. Right. So I was. It was the same thing.

00:23:37.579 --> 00:23:39.920
Don't fucking talk to me during the round because

00:23:39.920 --> 00:23:43.480
I'm watching the fight. I'm glued to the television.

00:23:44.539 --> 00:23:46.779
I'm just not going to talk to you. If you're

00:23:46.779 --> 00:23:51.599
going to try to say something to me, I will say

00:23:51.599 --> 00:23:55.640
things out loud as I see them. That is me taking

00:23:55.640 --> 00:24:00.500
notes for myself. But if you try to talk to me

00:24:00.500 --> 00:24:04.660
about what I just said, I'm going to ignore you.

00:24:05.130 --> 00:24:10.230
Yeah. Sorry to tell you, I'm quote -unquote working

00:24:10.230 --> 00:24:15.589
at the moment. Yeah, but... And you expect me

00:24:15.589 --> 00:24:19.549
to pay $80 for Pitbull vs. Roach. Well, like

00:24:19.549 --> 00:24:22.730
I said, I haven't seen that. I haven't seen a

00:24:22.730 --> 00:24:26.289
price, but that's what they all are. So far,

00:24:26.569 --> 00:24:32.430
all the prime pay -per -views have been in that

00:24:32.430 --> 00:24:39.259
neighborhood. $60 to $80, we'll say. Even if

00:24:39.259 --> 00:24:43.059
they made it $40, they'd get more people buying

00:24:43.059 --> 00:24:50.960
it. Yeah. Lowering the price. Because a strong

00:24:50.960 --> 00:24:55.079
majority of people are already prime subscribers.

00:24:55.920 --> 00:25:01.000
Yeah. There's really no reason to make the price...

00:25:01.470 --> 00:25:06.130
as high as it is like 80 per 80 bucks we'll just

00:25:06.130 --> 00:25:10.910
say for the for the sake of argument 80 there's

00:25:10.910 --> 00:25:14.490
no reason that it has to be 80 for everyone like

00:25:14.490 --> 00:25:16.549
you could give a discount to the prime subscribers

00:25:16.549 --> 00:25:22.069
yeah i mean the zone did that for a while they

00:25:22.069 --> 00:25:29.670
did for a while but anyways enough about pay

00:25:29.670 --> 00:25:32.549
-per -view numbers and how stupid they are yeah

00:25:32.549 --> 00:25:36.650
well there's only yeah there's only so much i

00:25:36.650 --> 00:25:40.990
can well before i just start repeating myself

00:25:40.990 --> 00:25:50.009
uh boxing death in ghana yeah so ghana's actually

00:25:50.009 --> 00:25:52.750
had two deaths this year which is a big deal

00:25:52.750 --> 00:25:57.019
obviously it is So they had one, I think it was

00:25:57.019 --> 00:26:02.160
May or March. And then just last week, I got

00:26:02.160 --> 00:26:05.559
his name here, but I'm really bad at names. Ernest

00:26:05.559 --> 00:26:09.559
Akashe. He's a light heavyweight boxer. He died

00:26:09.559 --> 00:26:12.960
a couple days after his fight on September 12th.

00:26:13.319 --> 00:26:19.940
And unlike Japan, Ghana is really, really taking

00:26:19.940 --> 00:26:23.259
this serious. And they have stopped all boxing

00:26:23.259 --> 00:26:27.539
in Ghana. indefinitely while they do some investigating

00:26:27.539 --> 00:26:31.440
on why there's been two deaths and how they can

00:26:31.440 --> 00:26:39.400
avoid it uh this this guy uh ernest he was like

00:26:39.400 --> 00:26:44.500
locally famous as a boxer and he wasn't he wasn't

00:26:44.500 --> 00:26:50.109
young but Anyways, Ghana has put all boxing on

00:26:50.109 --> 00:26:54.849
hold, and AJ had planned to be fighting in Ghana,

00:26:54.990 --> 00:26:58.390
I want to say December, he was going to have

00:26:58.390 --> 00:27:02.930
a fight there, starting a bit of a world tour

00:27:02.930 --> 00:27:07.589
type thing. So that obviously is also on hold.

00:27:07.769 --> 00:27:12.029
I have seen some people speculating that they'll

00:27:12.029 --> 00:27:15.710
pick a different African country. to host an

00:27:15.710 --> 00:27:19.690
AJ fight in. I haven't seen anything official

00:27:19.690 --> 00:27:22.029
about that. I actually haven't seen anything

00:27:22.029 --> 00:27:25.470
official saying that AJ's fight is cancelled

00:27:25.470 --> 00:27:28.029
in December or January. I can't remember when

00:27:28.029 --> 00:27:31.109
it was. But if all boxing is on hold for now,

00:27:31.349 --> 00:27:35.529
they might have to just straight up reorganize

00:27:35.529 --> 00:27:42.910
his kind of African debut. Yeah. If Ghana is

00:27:42.910 --> 00:27:46.779
your... Where you decided to make your first

00:27:46.779 --> 00:27:52.700
bout. Ghana's a pretty good boxing country, actually.

00:27:52.819 --> 00:27:56.980
There's been quite a few very famous Ghana fighters.

00:27:58.779 --> 00:28:02.380
I can't think of anybody right now. I think Quarterly?

00:28:02.420 --> 00:28:08.119
What was his name? He fought Delahoya. I think

00:28:08.119 --> 00:28:12.759
it's Quarterly. Quarry? No. Quarry's the white

00:28:12.759 --> 00:28:18.519
guys. Korti. Ika Korti is the one that I always

00:28:18.519 --> 00:28:20.519
think of from Ghana, but I think, like, Comey's

00:28:20.519 --> 00:28:23.799
from Ghana as well. Yeah, Richard Comey is also

00:28:23.799 --> 00:28:26.319
from Ghana. Like, they've had a few world stars

00:28:26.319 --> 00:28:32.059
come out of Ghana. And I wonder how many other

00:28:32.059 --> 00:28:38.900
countries that AJ would consider wouldn't also,

00:28:39.039 --> 00:28:44.809
like, suspend. suspend their boxing for i don't

00:28:44.809 --> 00:28:48.710
think any other countries have responded in that

00:28:48.710 --> 00:28:53.549
way but because anthony joshua his family is

00:28:53.549 --> 00:28:59.170
gone and right that's what i was wondering is

00:28:59.170 --> 00:29:03.289
where i think his tattoo no he's nigerian yeah

00:29:03.289 --> 00:29:07.289
i was gonna man i fucking knew it i fucking knew

00:29:07.289 --> 00:29:13.259
it I just wasn't sure where his roots, where

00:29:13.259 --> 00:29:18.900
he claims his roots from. Nigerian. So maybe

00:29:18.900 --> 00:29:22.339
they could move it to Nigeria, but I assume they

00:29:22.339 --> 00:29:24.519
were doing Ghana because there's more of an audience.

00:29:25.059 --> 00:29:34.599
Yeah. Major shrug on my part. I'm surprised they

00:29:34.599 --> 00:29:37.900
didn't make it Nigeria in the first place. Because

00:29:37.900 --> 00:29:44.259
there's a decent enough boxing crowd in Nigeria.

00:29:44.819 --> 00:29:48.140
It's not like AJ claiming the roots. He's not

00:29:48.140 --> 00:29:54.039
the only one. F .A. Adjogba claims Nigeria. That's

00:29:54.039 --> 00:29:58.940
just for one other. I don't know how many actual...

00:29:59.609 --> 00:30:02.890
big boxing matches they host in Nigeria. True.

00:30:03.250 --> 00:30:06.210
Okay. All those guys are kind of famous from

00:30:06.210 --> 00:30:09.390
elsewhere. Right. And Ghana is pretty close to

00:30:09.390 --> 00:30:12.890
Nigeria. I think that's why they chose it. Also,

00:30:13.029 --> 00:30:18.430
I might be talking out my ass. What's the official

00:30:18.430 --> 00:30:21.369
language in Nigeria? Because Ghana is English.

00:30:21.450 --> 00:30:25.009
Everybody speaks English in Ghana. The official

00:30:25.009 --> 00:30:29.059
language in Nigeria is also English. Yep. Anyways,

00:30:29.119 --> 00:30:32.119
I just thought I'd bring that up as news that

00:30:32.119 --> 00:30:35.940
AJ's world tour has been slightly... Derailed.

00:30:36.059 --> 00:30:42.819
Derailed. Slightly. But, speaking of British

00:30:42.819 --> 00:30:48.359
boxing, Calzaghe was voted into the British Boxing

00:30:48.359 --> 00:30:52.059
Hall of Fame and was also voted as the best British

00:30:52.059 --> 00:30:57.700
boxer of all time. Best British boxer of all

00:30:57.700 --> 00:31:04.460
time. This has sparked some debate online. A

00:31:04.460 --> 00:31:06.460
lot of people are saying Lennox Lewis, but I

00:31:06.460 --> 00:31:09.779
don't know if he really counts as British. He

00:31:09.779 --> 00:31:14.079
gets counted as whoever wants to count him as.

00:31:14.799 --> 00:31:17.980
But can you count him as the best British boxer?

00:31:18.220 --> 00:31:21.759
He wasn't born in Britain. He didn't really go

00:31:21.759 --> 00:31:25.890
to school in Britain. He is not very British.

00:31:26.130 --> 00:31:29.470
He technically, on a technicality, competed for

00:31:29.470 --> 00:31:35.410
Britain. When? His Olympic gold is Canadian.

00:31:35.849 --> 00:31:39.690
Well, then that destroys any argument that I

00:31:39.690 --> 00:31:46.930
had. So... I never thought of Lennox Lewis as

00:31:46.930 --> 00:31:52.849
British to begin with. But that's just me. So...

00:31:53.559 --> 00:31:55.539
Anyways, I just thought it was kind of cool.

00:31:55.619 --> 00:32:00.460
I like Calzaghe. Man, I think that this just

00:32:00.460 --> 00:32:02.940
comes at the wrong time because of Ricky Hatton

00:32:02.940 --> 00:32:08.799
passing away. Yeah, but I mean, let's be honest,

00:32:08.880 --> 00:32:11.460
Ricky Hatton isn't in the conversation for best

00:32:11.460 --> 00:32:15.880
British boxer of all time. Most loved, maybe.

00:32:15.980 --> 00:32:23.940
The cold scientist. No, but... He was loved as

00:32:23.940 --> 00:32:27.579
a person more than as a boxer. Well, he was loved

00:32:27.579 --> 00:32:32.660
as a boxer despite his success or lack of success.

00:32:32.900 --> 00:32:37.160
It doesn't matter. He brought the crowd out.

00:32:38.180 --> 00:32:44.099
People loved Ricky Hatton, but Joe Calzaghe won.

00:32:44.240 --> 00:32:46.819
People loved his boxing. People loved that he

00:32:46.819 --> 00:32:50.839
won. People loved Ricky Hatton as Ricky Hatton.

00:32:54.260 --> 00:33:00.660
Man, it's just difficult because Ricky Hatton

00:33:00.660 --> 00:33:07.880
brought the people out. He would have stadiums

00:33:07.880 --> 00:33:12.579
filled. Oh, for sure. Like, he's traveling to

00:33:12.579 --> 00:33:17.700
the U .S. or wherever the case is, and he's filling

00:33:17.700 --> 00:33:26.339
up stadiums. And Joe Calzaghe, it's like, I think

00:33:26.339 --> 00:33:30.339
this is the football comparison that comes to

00:33:30.339 --> 00:33:34.440
mind for me is Peyton Manning versus Tom Brady.

00:33:35.339 --> 00:33:38.900
And Calzaghe is Brady. He's got the victories.

00:33:39.079 --> 00:33:42.619
He has the rings. He has the titles. He has the

00:33:42.619 --> 00:33:47.599
wins. But Peyton Manning has like the records.

00:33:49.799 --> 00:33:54.220
I guess. I guess. I'm reaching there. I just

00:33:54.220 --> 00:33:58.880
think Ricky Hatton was loved for being Ricky

00:33:58.880 --> 00:34:03.140
Hatton, and Joe Calzaghe is only liked because

00:34:03.140 --> 00:34:07.000
he was a boxer. I don't think people like Joe

00:34:07.000 --> 00:34:12.260
Calzaghe very much. Well, he's Welsh. And if

00:34:12.260 --> 00:34:17.219
he wasn't a boxer, people wouldn't like him.

00:34:17.760 --> 00:34:19.920
But Ricky Hatton seems like people liked him

00:34:19.920 --> 00:34:24.320
just because. Well, because he was British British

00:34:24.320 --> 00:34:30.760
versus Calzaghe was Welsh. I guess. So that makes

00:34:30.760 --> 00:34:35.159
him a second -class citizen, basically. Yeah.

00:34:35.420 --> 00:34:38.880
Anyways, I thought it was interesting. It is

00:34:38.880 --> 00:34:42.519
interesting, because... Just because that's not

00:34:42.519 --> 00:34:46.219
a vote they needed to do either. It's not like

00:34:46.219 --> 00:34:48.860
every year they vote on whether they're going

00:34:48.860 --> 00:34:52.059
to name the best British boxer. And it was just

00:34:52.059 --> 00:34:55.800
the timing of it. Like, can we really take maybe

00:34:55.800 --> 00:34:59.880
delay the vote on the best British boxer of all

00:34:59.880 --> 00:35:04.099
time for at least a year while we wait for the

00:35:04.099 --> 00:35:07.699
time of a. I assume this was all done before.

00:35:10.629 --> 00:35:16.449
Perhaps. Perhaps. In stupid news, Tank has announced,

00:35:16.630 --> 00:35:20.210
quote -unquote announced, his retirement on Twitter.

00:35:20.409 --> 00:35:24.710
He's not fighting after the Jake Paul fight because

00:35:24.710 --> 00:35:30.849
boxing is dead. Is that his rationale? Yeah,

00:35:30.869 --> 00:35:34.809
I should have found the actual tweet. But boxing

00:35:34.809 --> 00:35:37.869
is dead and the fans are all fickle bitches and

00:35:37.869 --> 00:35:40.670
he's done with our shit, apparently. Oh, well,

00:35:40.789 --> 00:35:44.750
that's fantastic because he's a fickle bitch

00:35:44.750 --> 00:35:48.150
and I'm done with his shit. So it really works

00:35:48.150 --> 00:35:54.750
out really nicely. Yeah. Okay, here's the tweet.

00:35:54.989 --> 00:35:57.769
Is he mad because everybody thinks that he lost

00:35:57.769 --> 00:36:00.570
to Lamont Roche? That's definitely what he's

00:36:00.570 --> 00:36:05.349
mad about. Here's the tweet, Leo. Boxing definitely

00:36:05.349 --> 00:36:08.269
did a turn. It went from this side to that side,

00:36:08.469 --> 00:36:11.110
and then it's the sunglasses emoji. And this

00:36:11.110 --> 00:36:13.969
shit has no loyalty, so why would I care? I move

00:36:13.969 --> 00:36:17.210
accordingly. Boxing is dead, and it's the sunglass

00:36:17.210 --> 00:36:21.449
emoji with the peace. Yeah, you're upset that

00:36:21.449 --> 00:36:23.989
everybody thinks you lost. That you fucking took

00:36:23.989 --> 00:36:27.750
a knee and lost a fight. You lost to Lamont Roach,

00:36:27.869 --> 00:36:30.869
and you're upset about it. And you're a whiny

00:36:30.869 --> 00:36:36.230
little bitch. Oh, man. For a long time, I was

00:36:36.230 --> 00:36:40.550
a tank defender. It wasn't until he fucking straight

00:36:40.550 --> 00:36:45.710
up... Gervonta, I know you're listening. You

00:36:45.710 --> 00:36:49.869
lost. To Lamont Roach, you lost. You fucking

00:36:49.869 --> 00:36:54.530
lost. I'm not sure how else I'm supposed to phrase

00:36:54.530 --> 00:36:59.090
that. You lost and they bailed you out because

00:36:59.090 --> 00:37:03.190
you're the A -side. You got bailed the fuck out,

00:37:03.329 --> 00:37:09.869
my man. You lost to Lamont Roach. You lost. Before

00:37:09.869 --> 00:37:14.829
that, I was a staunch tank defender. Always,

00:37:14.829 --> 00:37:18.289
um... Trying to prop him up and sing his praises.

00:37:18.550 --> 00:37:21.909
But after that, it was like, what the fuck? What

00:37:21.909 --> 00:37:31.050
am I even doing? Yeah. He also looks super fat

00:37:31.050 --> 00:37:34.429
in the press conference. Well, I shouldn't throw

00:37:34.429 --> 00:37:37.969
shade for that. I am also fat. It's like a free

00:37:37.969 --> 00:37:42.519
weight fight anyway, right? No, but like... It

00:37:42.519 --> 00:37:45.139
looks like he has not been taking care of himself.

00:37:45.400 --> 00:37:48.960
Oh. Levels of gaining weight. Like Patty... Not

00:37:48.960 --> 00:37:52.679
quite Patty Pimplet, but... Patty Pimplet is

00:37:52.679 --> 00:37:56.619
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Ricky Fatten. Ricky Fatten. This is not like

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00:38:11.599 --> 00:38:15.400
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He used to use it himself. I don't think he hated

00:38:18.320 --> 00:38:22.340
it. Okay, well, so he claimed it himself. Fantastic.

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00:42:15.739 --> 00:42:19.880
a little bit of stuff. Maybe you did, maybe you

00:42:19.880 --> 00:42:24.400
didn't see. No limit at the Pat Rafter Arena

00:42:24.400 --> 00:42:31.099
in Tennyson. I did not watch the Aussie card.

00:42:31.199 --> 00:42:34.820
I was on vacation. That's all right. Liam Parrow

00:42:34.820 --> 00:42:41.340
got a UD over David Papo. Did he get a decision?

00:42:42.320 --> 00:42:47.559
Question mark? David Papo gave a good account

00:42:47.559 --> 00:42:53.030
of himself. Jacob was talking about fucking Nomas

00:42:53.030 --> 00:42:57.250
Paro. He was talking up Liam Paro's performance

00:42:57.250 --> 00:43:01.150
like crazy on Discord. Yeah, well, he's also

00:43:01.150 --> 00:43:07.349
Aussie, so he's like legally obligated to talk

00:43:07.349 --> 00:43:11.750
up his people. He seemed really, really impressed

00:43:11.750 --> 00:43:19.510
with Paro. I was not. Um, this would be a good

00:43:19.510 --> 00:43:24.489
time to have Jacob on the show. Dude, tell me,

00:43:24.530 --> 00:43:29.170
what did you see in Paro that I didn't? You should

00:43:29.170 --> 00:43:31.670
send him a message and have him do a call -in

00:43:31.670 --> 00:43:35.329
at least. Yeah, good idea. We interrupt our program

00:43:35.329 --> 00:43:38.289
to bring you this important message. Should not

00:43:38.289 --> 00:43:41.030
have raised a good idea. That was to get Jacob

00:43:41.030 --> 00:43:43.110
back on the fucking show, so that's what we did.

00:43:43.949 --> 00:43:46.159
Good to hear from you again. Yeah, no, it's good

00:43:46.159 --> 00:43:48.039
to be back for a brief bit before I head off.

00:43:48.559 --> 00:43:51.739
Yeah. All right, so I wasn't as impressed. Let's

00:43:51.739 --> 00:43:53.219
just get right into it. I wasn't as impressed

00:43:53.219 --> 00:43:55.599
with Liam Parra as Shanada was saying you were.

00:43:57.739 --> 00:43:59.940
Yeah, I cheated up a little. I'm not going to

00:43:59.940 --> 00:44:04.300
lie. But, no, I was at the fight, so what it

00:44:04.300 --> 00:44:06.260
looked like to me was that he was getting out

00:44:06.260 --> 00:44:08.159
of the way heaps. And it looked like early on,

00:44:08.199 --> 00:44:10.260
Papo was landing some big shots, especially with

00:44:10.260 --> 00:44:12.420
them straights. Obviously, Boyd got his eye caught

00:44:12.420 --> 00:44:15.050
up. But other than that, I didn't even realize

00:44:15.050 --> 00:44:19.489
that I think I just saw this guy fighting. I

00:44:19.489 --> 00:44:21.809
was like, he's gone good. Because it looked like

00:44:21.809 --> 00:44:25.230
whenever he was landing, he seemed to have this

00:44:25.230 --> 00:44:27.289
specific plan to try and exit with the check

00:44:27.289 --> 00:44:29.130
hook. And I thought that he was in control of

00:44:29.130 --> 00:44:31.690
that. Like, he got hit on the way out more than

00:44:31.690 --> 00:44:34.469
I thought he did initially, you know, at the

00:44:34.469 --> 00:44:37.010
arena. But I thought he went into that with a

00:44:37.010 --> 00:44:39.369
specific game plan, it seemed like. And to be

00:44:39.369 --> 00:44:41.170
honest, I didn't really expect that from him.

00:44:41.289 --> 00:44:44.010
I'm not going to lie to you. I kind of thought

00:44:44.010 --> 00:44:46.269
he was going to show up. He was going to try

00:44:46.269 --> 00:44:49.349
and counterpunch from mid -range and then get

00:44:49.349 --> 00:44:51.429
his business done just with volume that way.

00:44:51.590 --> 00:44:53.929
But it looked a little different. He obviously

00:44:53.929 --> 00:44:56.150
fell back into that strategy for a fair bit.

00:44:56.610 --> 00:44:59.150
We look at those later rounds where a lot of

00:44:59.150 --> 00:45:00.630
people thought those were his more convincing

00:45:00.630 --> 00:45:02.570
rounds. I thought the early ones, like the first

00:45:02.570 --> 00:45:04.289
two to three, were maybe the more convincing

00:45:04.289 --> 00:45:06.070
ones because that's where it looked like he was

00:45:06.070 --> 00:45:10.380
trying to just establish. you know, what he's

00:45:10.380 --> 00:45:12.400
doing with the body, what he's doing with getting

00:45:12.400 --> 00:45:15.780
around on the outside. Yeah, I was impressed

00:45:15.780 --> 00:45:17.760
by the game plan. I think the execution wasn't

00:45:17.760 --> 00:45:19.980
as good as I initially thought it was when I

00:45:19.980 --> 00:45:22.719
was watching it in person. But I like to see

00:45:22.719 --> 00:45:25.360
how he's developed. I think the only drawback

00:45:25.360 --> 00:45:27.760
was that I don't think he looks like he was hurting

00:45:27.760 --> 00:45:30.820
any of the shots, no matter how clean they were.

00:45:31.659 --> 00:45:33.820
And I think that's going to be something out

00:45:33.820 --> 00:45:35.900
of his upper weight division, especially for

00:45:35.900 --> 00:45:38.860
some of the guys that are in that division. above

00:45:38.860 --> 00:45:41.519
that division because i don't think paro is going

00:45:41.519 --> 00:45:43.699
to stay here because he's been fighting in a

00:45:43.699 --> 00:45:46.239
lower division since the very start of his career

00:45:46.239 --> 00:45:48.340
so i think he's hitting that age where he kind

00:45:48.340 --> 00:45:51.460
of naturally starts to bump up a bit so it's

00:45:51.460 --> 00:45:52.960
going to be really interesting next few years

00:45:52.960 --> 00:45:58.340
all right so i think the part you you noted the

00:45:58.340 --> 00:46:00.679
part that was where i wasn't as impressed was

00:46:00.679 --> 00:46:03.179
even though he was hitting papo pretty flush

00:46:03.869 --> 00:46:06.409
it didn't look like he was very bothered. And

00:46:06.409 --> 00:46:08.469
I thought, because he looked like an older gent,

00:46:08.590 --> 00:46:11.110
so I thought that he might have less of a chin

00:46:11.110 --> 00:46:16.750
because of it. Nah, he looks pretty unbothered.

00:46:16.969 --> 00:46:19.590
As you said, I thought it didn't look like he

00:46:19.590 --> 00:46:21.389
was attacking anything, which I guess comes on

00:46:21.389 --> 00:46:23.909
to a different aspect of how you score boxing

00:46:23.909 --> 00:46:26.750
fights as well, because I think some people make

00:46:26.750 --> 00:46:28.670
the more damaging work better than the cleaner

00:46:28.670 --> 00:46:31.630
work, per se. I think that's where I differ a

00:46:31.630 --> 00:46:33.190
bit, but that's just also because I've watched.

00:46:33.519 --> 00:46:35.940
so much amateur boxing to the point where things

00:46:35.940 --> 00:46:38.579
like power don't register that much to me when

00:46:38.579 --> 00:46:40.159
i'm watching the sport you know it's more just

00:46:40.159 --> 00:46:42.780
something that i feel when i'm inspiring and

00:46:42.780 --> 00:46:46.980
go damn that guy can hit yeah that's always how

00:46:46.980 --> 00:46:50.159
i've judged um just because uh it's a little

00:46:50.159 --> 00:46:52.519
bit of a carryover from watching mma where it's

00:46:52.519 --> 00:46:55.519
like damage is supposed to be the the key component

00:46:55.519 --> 00:47:00.679
to your scoring Yeah, it's definitely a big one

00:47:00.679 --> 00:47:02.400
for some people and I know that's why they really

00:47:02.400 --> 00:47:05.980
rate a lot of fighters that do Kind of you know,

00:47:06.000 --> 00:47:07.860
they're happy to get hit three or four times

00:47:07.860 --> 00:47:10.480
with some light set up shots That means they

00:47:10.480 --> 00:47:13.119
can win that big counter Now like I think it's

00:47:13.119 --> 00:47:14.920
Hank Davis and the way he fights and a lot of

00:47:14.920 --> 00:47:17.760
wood He's built around with and he doesn't mind

00:47:17.760 --> 00:47:19.940
if he gets peppered with a couple lazy jabs out

00:47:19.940 --> 00:47:24.380
there so you can play like that and Completely

00:47:24.380 --> 00:47:26.000
different for some different fighters. I think

00:47:26.000 --> 00:47:28.800
that's that was probably power of strength early

00:47:28.800 --> 00:47:31.530
on He was fighting the domestic competition.

00:47:32.590 --> 00:47:34.570
He would be able to just wait and set up that

00:47:34.570 --> 00:47:37.690
bigger shot. But, yeah, I don't think that's

00:47:37.690 --> 00:47:39.210
something that's going to translate to this division.

00:47:39.369 --> 00:47:41.090
There's going to need to be a lot of change in

00:47:41.090 --> 00:47:46.429
his own individual approach. Fucking fantastic

00:47:46.429 --> 00:47:49.889
insight. Yeah, no, it would just be interesting

00:47:49.889 --> 00:47:52.369
to see how it goes, I think. Because he's got

00:47:52.369 --> 00:47:54.570
a pretty decent team around him, I think. Like,

00:47:54.570 --> 00:47:56.909
that Kuparu boxing gym, that's in my city, and

00:47:56.909 --> 00:47:58.909
they've... Had some pretty good fighters come

00:47:58.909 --> 00:48:02.469
out of there. They're very technically precise.

00:48:03.269 --> 00:48:05.530
I think that's what I gather from whenever I've

00:48:05.530 --> 00:48:10.130
seen those guys spar in a fight scenario. And

00:48:10.130 --> 00:48:13.550
coming out of that setup, those coaches where

00:48:13.550 --> 00:48:16.090
he initially was from, that seems to be a lot

00:48:16.090 --> 00:48:17.750
of his philosophy and just that counterpunching.

00:48:18.070 --> 00:48:21.070
I think one of the big things that will need

00:48:21.070 --> 00:48:24.010
to happen in his game though, that's especially

00:48:24.010 --> 00:48:27.099
being a Southpaw in that division. He's going

00:48:27.099 --> 00:48:30.079
to defend that jab a lot better. I thought he

00:48:30.079 --> 00:48:32.260
put a lot more effort into landing his own jabs

00:48:32.260 --> 00:48:34.480
this time. He seemed happy to try and set things

00:48:34.480 --> 00:48:36.300
up off the lead hand and off the check hook.

00:48:36.340 --> 00:48:39.280
I thought, okay, he's being a bit more traditional

00:48:39.280 --> 00:48:41.239
here. If you go back and watch that Hitchens

00:48:41.239 --> 00:48:43.159
fight, watch what he's doing with his lead hand.

00:48:43.360 --> 00:48:47.480
He's waving that shit everywhere. It's one minute,

00:48:47.519 --> 00:48:49.199
it's above his forehead. The next minute, it's

00:48:49.199 --> 00:48:51.219
under it. He's constantly waving it, trying to

00:48:51.219 --> 00:48:54.800
trick Hitchens. Sometimes that rhythm works.

00:48:55.539 --> 00:48:57.480
Sometimes it works, but against a guy who just

00:48:57.480 --> 00:48:59.159
has a straight person of a jab, that's not going

00:48:59.159 --> 00:49:00.380
to work because they're just going to keep popping

00:49:00.380 --> 00:49:02.679
the shit out. You know, guys like Hitchens, that's

00:49:02.679 --> 00:49:04.360
been his bread and butter for his entire career,

00:49:04.440 --> 00:49:06.960
you know, since Amateurs. He's just going to

00:49:06.960 --> 00:49:09.300
pop that out all fight. So no amount of deception

00:49:09.300 --> 00:49:13.579
is going to stop him. Seeing him go away from

00:49:13.579 --> 00:49:15.460
that was something I thought was really promising,

00:49:15.679 --> 00:49:18.000
where he just fought with this traditional guard,

00:49:18.219 --> 00:49:21.480
you know, wanted to frame out a bit, was happy

00:49:21.480 --> 00:49:24.780
to move, use the ring. I think it's a new style

00:49:24.780 --> 00:49:26.719
for him. I think it's a different one and he'll

00:49:26.719 --> 00:49:30.519
need to adjust into it a bit. But I think interesting

00:49:30.519 --> 00:49:34.079
really is just the best word for it because it

00:49:34.079 --> 00:49:35.659
was very different to what I expected him to

00:49:35.659 --> 00:49:40.099
do. How much do you think Papo being a lefty

00:49:40.099 --> 00:49:44.519
as well? Because usually lefties struggle with

00:49:44.519 --> 00:49:49.059
lefties, don't they? Yeah, they can because you've

00:49:49.059 --> 00:49:51.710
got the same orthodox... fighting principles

00:49:51.710 --> 00:49:53.829
but the difference between an orthodox fighting

00:49:53.829 --> 00:49:56.590
an orthodox and a lefty fighting lefty is that

00:49:56.590 --> 00:49:59.329
orthodox is basically 90 of the time they go

00:49:59.329 --> 00:50:02.409
against or as a lefty you know as a southpaw

00:50:02.409 --> 00:50:06.250
you might spy a southpaw very very rarely and

00:50:06.250 --> 00:50:09.250
you have to be able to understand your basic

00:50:09.250 --> 00:50:15.210
orthodox boxing stance principles and then apply

00:50:15.210 --> 00:50:19.400
them again and for some guys who are able to

00:50:19.400 --> 00:50:21.840
hit in both they love that right like you look

00:50:21.840 --> 00:50:24.039
at corporate suspense and how he approached that

00:50:24.039 --> 00:50:26.960
he knew that that body jab was there whereas

00:50:26.960 --> 00:50:30.739
i think with pyro there was a new experience

00:50:30.739 --> 00:50:32.519
for him i think he knew what he was getting into

00:50:32.519 --> 00:50:36.480
but proposal really he's hard to pick off with

00:50:36.480 --> 00:50:38.280
his rhythm you know he can fight a few different

00:50:38.280 --> 00:50:42.940
ways and i think that's what pyro kind of He

00:50:42.940 --> 00:50:44.480
was trying to figure out how he was going to

00:50:44.480 --> 00:50:46.699
approach things, but because he wasn't getting

00:50:46.699 --> 00:50:49.519
the usual shots and angles back, then it changed

00:50:49.519 --> 00:50:51.340
the way that he counted completely different.

00:50:52.079 --> 00:50:54.400
You know, like if he came into that fight with

00:50:54.400 --> 00:50:56.639
the same things that he had worked on with, you

00:50:56.639 --> 00:50:58.440
know, the lead hand control and the check hook

00:50:58.440 --> 00:51:01.699
and using the ring, if he had those elements

00:51:01.699 --> 00:51:05.380
and was just going against a similarly sized

00:51:05.380 --> 00:51:08.219
orthodox, I think that would have worked really

00:51:08.219 --> 00:51:11.809
pretty for him. Obviously, it's just a completely

00:51:11.809 --> 00:51:14.530
different kind of fight. But I think it's one

00:51:14.530 --> 00:51:17.630
that for the development of Poe, I think that

00:51:17.630 --> 00:51:20.550
was a really good fight for him to have. I think

00:51:20.550 --> 00:51:22.750
for him to be able to walk out of that with that

00:51:22.750 --> 00:51:26.550
experience and with a win is good. But I'm more

00:51:26.550 --> 00:51:29.389
interested to see what happens with the title

00:51:29.389 --> 00:51:31.210
fight discussions because I think that was the

00:51:31.210 --> 00:51:35.769
division. Was that where Boots? Yeah, he just

00:51:35.769 --> 00:51:39.369
left. Yeah. I tell you what, I don't want to

00:51:39.369 --> 00:51:41.110
get into how far over his boots would go. That

00:51:41.110 --> 00:51:45.190
would be inhumane. Because, yeah, I don't know

00:51:45.190 --> 00:51:46.710
who else is in that division that they're looking

00:51:46.710 --> 00:51:49.010
at stepping up. But that'll be really interesting

00:51:49.010 --> 00:51:55.250
to see. Because I'll be honest, I think a lot

00:51:55.250 --> 00:51:57.289
of the guys, I don't think Papo is one of the

00:51:57.289 --> 00:51:59.849
bigger or the harder hitting guys in that division.

00:52:01.469 --> 00:52:05.929
So for him to look like he was getting hurt there,

00:52:06.090 --> 00:52:12.320
it does raise some questions. The eye is going

00:52:12.320 --> 00:52:14.739
to be a big question too, if that's going to

00:52:14.739 --> 00:52:22.480
be a recurring theme moving forward. You can't

00:52:22.480 --> 00:52:26.239
get into those walls every fight. He's at a stage

00:52:26.239 --> 00:52:28.000
of his career where maybe he can afford a few

00:52:28.000 --> 00:52:30.440
because he's been boxing for a while now. But

00:52:30.440 --> 00:52:32.159
you don't want to be doing that every single

00:52:32.159 --> 00:52:33.880
time you step in. Because that's just going to

00:52:33.880 --> 00:52:36.360
take away his longevity. Especially because he

00:52:36.360 --> 00:52:37.900
thinks he has a future in this division. I'm

00:52:37.900 --> 00:52:41.420
assuming that's why he's moved there. he's not

00:52:41.420 --> 00:52:43.119
going to be able to just run that back and do

00:52:43.119 --> 00:52:46.519
that sort of fight every single time. It seems

00:52:46.519 --> 00:52:49.760
to me that his approach in terms of being more

00:52:49.760 --> 00:52:51.860
defensively responsible with the head movement,

00:52:51.960 --> 00:52:54.599
the footwork, it's all there. But having the

00:52:54.599 --> 00:52:57.940
right approach and then actually having it are

00:52:57.940 --> 00:53:01.000
different things. So we'll really just have to

00:53:01.000 --> 00:53:02.699
see how he goes against a different competition

00:53:02.699 --> 00:53:05.119
because, you know, it's a sport with levels in

00:53:05.119 --> 00:53:07.420
it. And we saw the levels when it came to him

00:53:07.420 --> 00:53:10.269
versus Hitchens. on things like lead hand control

00:53:10.269 --> 00:53:13.889
because kitchens understood that to a t like

00:53:13.889 --> 00:53:16.829
he fought a textbook fight he was just landing

00:53:16.829 --> 00:53:19.309
the jab he just kept landing kept landing kept

00:53:19.309 --> 00:53:21.230
landing and then he had that right hand in the

00:53:21.230 --> 00:53:24.909
chamber so whenever paro wanted to kind of slip

00:53:24.909 --> 00:53:28.530
onto that you know inside of the jab it was waiting

00:53:28.530 --> 00:53:31.530
right for him and paro who tries to counter with

00:53:31.530 --> 00:53:33.889
the head movement it was a bit of a strange it

00:53:33.889 --> 00:53:35.570
was a difficult fight for him so i think he was

00:53:35.570 --> 00:53:39.099
being a bit more responsible but It didn't pay

00:53:39.099 --> 00:53:42.199
off as well as it should if he wants to continue

00:53:42.199 --> 00:53:52.820
in that division. Well, this has been really

00:53:52.820 --> 00:53:57.780
insightful. Nah, I don't know. I thought a lot

00:53:57.780 --> 00:53:59.880
about that fight. It was not what I expected.

00:54:01.820 --> 00:54:04.519
Still, it was good to get an insider's view.

00:54:07.440 --> 00:54:10.639
Plus, man, I appreciate it so much, and thanks

00:54:10.639 --> 00:54:12.300
for having me back on to talk about it. Yeah,

00:54:12.320 --> 00:54:14.280
of course. We'll have you on for something else.

00:54:15.000 --> 00:54:17.139
Actually, there might be another one I want to

00:54:17.139 --> 00:54:21.159
talk to you about later, but it's Sharnika. Oh,

00:54:21.179 --> 00:54:25.340
yes. I want to talk to you about her and the

00:54:25.340 --> 00:54:28.880
possibility of Gabby Fandora moving up. Ooh.

00:54:30.599 --> 00:54:33.139
That's the kind of thought I want to see. Yeah.

00:54:34.460 --> 00:54:38.079
That would be outstanding. I hope that happens.

00:54:39.039 --> 00:54:40.960
I think both of them will be up for that because

00:54:40.960 --> 00:54:44.079
Fandora, she's real good. But I think Shanika,

00:54:44.179 --> 00:54:45.900
her last couple of years of development have

00:54:45.900 --> 00:54:51.500
seen her in a really good spot as well. All right.

00:54:51.519 --> 00:54:55.579
Well, I have to get back to this and I will let

00:54:55.579 --> 00:54:58.699
you go. But it was good talking with you. Thank

00:54:58.699 --> 00:55:01.139
you very much. Of course. I appreciate it so

00:55:01.139 --> 00:55:02.960
much. Thanks, man. Have a good day. Take care.

00:55:04.719 --> 00:55:12.659
Moving to Saturday, September 20th. Much to my

00:55:12.659 --> 00:55:17.340
dismay, Mickey Scala drops the ball. Stoppage

00:55:17.340 --> 00:55:25.599
in two. Oh, my God. Mickey. What? What the fuck?

00:55:25.860 --> 00:55:33.530
What the fuck, dog? Oh, man. Jose Perdomo. Gets

00:55:33.530 --> 00:55:38.949
the stoppage into stoppage win into there are

00:55:38.949 --> 00:55:43.550
in calling for an immediate rematch and they're

00:55:43.550 --> 00:55:48.610
calling it a lucky shot that got Scala buzzed.

00:55:49.070 --> 00:55:55.250
Yeah, was it? And I'm really I'm doing the the

00:55:55.250 --> 00:56:00.699
Jacobs no Masparo. sort of movement here. Like,

00:56:00.719 --> 00:56:03.599
yeah, that's exactly what did it, right? It was

00:56:03.599 --> 00:56:09.599
just like a lucky punch. I'm just really trying

00:56:09.599 --> 00:56:13.380
to believe that there was something else going

00:56:13.380 --> 00:56:15.960
on and it wasn't just that Mickey Scala got fucking

00:56:15.960 --> 00:56:20.039
popped and did not understand how to defend himself.

00:56:21.099 --> 00:56:28.489
He didn't know how to be in trouble. And that's

00:56:28.489 --> 00:56:31.010
not something you can kind of like be taught,

00:56:31.250 --> 00:56:35.530
I don't think. That's something that I remember.

00:56:36.789 --> 00:56:42.650
Who was it? Tim Bradley used to talk about being

00:56:42.650 --> 00:56:47.750
taught how to be in trouble. Yeah. Because nobody

00:56:47.750 --> 00:56:52.590
wants to believe I'll get buzzed. nobody of course

00:56:52.590 --> 00:56:56.849
you will yeah and but you will exactly you will

00:56:56.849 --> 00:57:00.650
get caught you will get tagged no matter how

00:57:00.650 --> 00:57:04.309
good you are as you get as you climb the ranks

00:57:04.309 --> 00:57:09.269
as you get better so do the opponents and the

00:57:09.269 --> 00:57:11.690
chances of you getting tagged of you getting

00:57:11.690 --> 00:57:18.380
buzzed only increase But it doesn't seem that

00:57:18.380 --> 00:57:22.219
Mickey Scala has had that moment in his training

00:57:22.219 --> 00:57:29.559
yet. Hopefully he learned his lesson this time.

00:57:29.760 --> 00:57:35.679
I want to believe that he did. If I have to go

00:57:35.679 --> 00:57:41.280
over to... I know where his gym is. Go over and

00:57:41.280 --> 00:57:44.059
smack him yourself. Teach him how to get in trouble.

00:57:45.789 --> 00:57:49.429
How it is to be in trouble and how do you defend

00:57:49.429 --> 00:57:53.309
yourself when you're in trouble? If I have to,

00:57:53.389 --> 00:58:02.349
then I will. Coach Leo. I try not to pull that

00:58:02.349 --> 00:58:06.730
thing, pull that tag out of the bag. But when

00:58:06.730 --> 00:58:11.130
it comes to fucking Mickey, this was like the

00:58:11.130 --> 00:58:18.309
hope for my city. Ugh. This is disappointing.

00:58:20.489 --> 00:58:25.429
And it makes me think like he's not getting the

00:58:25.429 --> 00:58:29.429
full spectrum of coaching. And that's where I'm

00:58:29.429 --> 00:58:32.190
like, fuck. If I have to go down to your fucking

00:58:32.190 --> 00:58:35.250
gym and teach you, then that's what we're doing.

00:58:35.250 --> 00:58:38.389
Something is wrong. If I have to do this, then

00:58:38.389 --> 00:58:43.949
something is very clearly missing. But whatever,

00:58:44.110 --> 00:58:46.269
man, whatever it takes to get you back on top,

00:58:46.349 --> 00:58:54.730
dog. I'm here. I'm here to help you. Moving to

00:58:54.730 --> 00:59:01.190
a real quick one. Gabriela Fandora ass beating

00:59:01.190 --> 00:59:11.150
over Alexis. As expected. As expected. It's unfortunate.

00:59:14.029 --> 00:59:19.130
That Fundora beats that ass as hard as she did

00:59:19.130 --> 00:59:25.070
because Alexis Kubicki, she's fighting today

00:59:25.070 --> 00:59:32.789
as we're recording. But it was Naomi Valle's

00:59:32.789 --> 00:59:37.110
opponent. Let me look. I want to get the name

00:59:37.110 --> 00:59:52.369
right. Naomi Valle. Federica Macri. So, Federica

00:59:52.369 --> 00:59:58.769
Macri got her ass beat by Kubicki. So, it was

00:59:58.769 --> 01:00:03.730
just like, I don't know. Having common opponents,

01:00:03.969 --> 01:00:09.469
maybe one of these women will be worthwhile for

01:00:09.469 --> 01:00:14.960
Gabriela Fundora. But, Reality is that they're

01:00:14.960 --> 01:00:19.679
fucking not. Gabi's one of those people that

01:00:19.679 --> 01:00:22.059
just doesn't have the dance partners. She's gonna

01:00:22.059 --> 01:00:26.599
have to go up or down. If she goes up, her only

01:00:26.599 --> 01:00:33.920
real option is Mimi. Mizuki. Yeah, Gabi beats

01:00:33.920 --> 01:00:37.139
the fuck out of Mimi. I love Mimi, but I don't

01:00:37.139 --> 01:00:39.320
think that's a very close fight. I love Mimi

01:00:39.320 --> 01:00:47.039
too. Keep sending letters like, hey, let's hang

01:00:47.039 --> 01:00:53.840
out sometime. It doesn't matter because Gabby

01:00:53.840 --> 01:00:58.260
Fundora is going to beat that ass. Ass beating.

01:01:00.460 --> 01:01:05.059
This is annoying. So there's three or four websites

01:01:05.059 --> 01:01:08.440
where it's really easy to get all of the standings

01:01:08.440 --> 01:01:11.519
for the men together. And I don't think there

01:01:11.519 --> 01:01:14.599
is one for the women's, where it has all the

01:01:14.599 --> 01:01:18.679
champions in the rankings. Not having them all

01:01:18.679 --> 01:01:21.760
in one place, no. That's really fucking annoying.

01:01:22.980 --> 01:01:26.320
And it's not that difficult to do. BoxRec does

01:01:26.320 --> 01:01:33.840
it, but they exclude the WBA. That's the unfortunate.

01:01:34.579 --> 01:01:37.000
But I mean, for the men's, there's like five

01:01:37.000 --> 01:01:39.610
different ones that are super easy to... just

01:01:39.610 --> 01:01:41.769
click on and they're well put together. These

01:01:41.769 --> 01:01:46.989
women's ones are garbage. I was trying to see

01:01:46.989 --> 01:01:51.469
who's one weight class above her other than Mimi.

01:01:59.610 --> 01:02:08.269
Naomi Valle is the younger sister of Yacosta.

01:02:13.130 --> 01:02:15.889
Elaine Ruiz I've seen, but Gabby just beats the

01:02:15.889 --> 01:02:24.309
crap out of her too. Yeah, I don't know what

01:02:24.309 --> 01:02:31.170
to do with Fundora. She's just too good. No,

01:02:31.369 --> 01:02:37.570
but she is. She is. I chuckle, but she is. If

01:02:37.570 --> 01:02:41.690
she went up to 118, Trinica Johnson might be

01:02:41.690 --> 01:02:44.639
a good fight. But that's jumping two weight classes.

01:02:45.059 --> 01:02:48.719
I honestly still rate Gabrielle LaFleur over.

01:02:48.719 --> 01:02:56.460
I do too. But I'm just saying like Gabby doesn't

01:02:56.460 --> 01:02:59.480
have to chase people. That's where you start

01:02:59.480 --> 01:03:05.400
finding challenges. Yeah. Is moving up two, three,

01:03:05.460 --> 01:03:17.659
four divisions. Which is unfortunate. It is unfortunate.

01:03:17.980 --> 01:03:23.719
I think Gabby is... I think she already knows

01:03:23.719 --> 01:03:28.960
that's what I'm going to have to do to achieve

01:03:28.960 --> 01:03:33.159
the greatness that I know that I'm worthy of

01:03:33.159 --> 01:03:36.340
or deserving of. I'm going to have to move up

01:03:36.340 --> 01:03:44.500
two, three, four divisions. It helps that she

01:03:44.500 --> 01:03:47.480
has the height. I was gonna say, she has the

01:03:47.480 --> 01:03:49.760
frame. Yeah, she has the height to do it. She

01:03:49.760 --> 01:03:58.739
should be fine. So... I believe... I believe

01:03:58.739 --> 01:04:02.659
in Gabi Fundoro. She's fucking good, man. She

01:04:02.659 --> 01:04:11.659
is. Speaking of... Are they that good? Oscar

01:04:11.659 --> 01:04:18.769
Collazo. Verse... Jason... Oh, let me... Jason

01:04:18.769 --> 01:04:21.469
Vason. I don't care how they pronounced it on

01:04:21.469 --> 01:04:24.969
the fucking broadcast. It's Jason Vason. Thank

01:04:24.969 --> 01:04:30.530
you. I was going to say Jason Vison. No. That's

01:04:30.530 --> 01:04:33.349
how they said it on the broadcast. I don't give

01:04:33.349 --> 01:04:37.349
a shit how they said it on the broadcast. If

01:04:37.349 --> 01:04:43.889
it's Vison, he's Jason Vison. His parents spelt

01:04:43.889 --> 01:04:47.570
his name like that so they would rhyme. Jason

01:04:47.570 --> 01:04:54.969
Basin. The actor, Sean Bean? No, no, no. It's

01:04:54.969 --> 01:05:02.190
either Scene Bean or Sean Bond. Exactly. Make

01:05:02.190 --> 01:05:09.800
a decision, asshole. Right. Oscar Collazo. This

01:05:09.800 --> 01:05:13.940
was a weird main event. It wasn't a weird main

01:05:13.940 --> 01:05:16.179
event. It was a good fight. I really enjoyed

01:05:16.179 --> 01:05:18.760
the fight while it was happening. But it was

01:05:18.760 --> 01:05:21.840
a weird corner stoppage that has caused some

01:05:21.840 --> 01:05:26.699
controversy. Or not controversy, but within Jason

01:05:26.699 --> 01:05:33.739
Vason's camp, controversy. He came out after

01:05:33.739 --> 01:05:41.469
the fact and was really... I don't know, dismissive

01:05:41.469 --> 01:05:49.369
or apologetic about his corner stopping the fight.

01:05:49.769 --> 01:05:52.309
I'm really trying to figure out what the right

01:05:52.309 --> 01:05:55.429
words are. Yeah. So I guess we should start at

01:05:55.429 --> 01:05:57.190
the beginning because I know a bunch of people

01:05:57.190 --> 01:05:59.369
probably didn't watch this one being minimum

01:05:59.369 --> 01:06:02.550
weights. Of course. But it was a good fight.

01:06:02.960 --> 01:06:07.219
So Jason Vason was landing some bombs, but Collazo

01:06:07.219 --> 01:06:11.619
was wearing them well. And Collazo was hitting

01:06:11.619 --> 01:06:15.880
Vason with probably not as hard of shots, but

01:06:15.880 --> 01:06:20.840
he was getting wobbled and hurt multiple times.

01:06:21.059 --> 01:06:24.619
And I rewatched it this morning just to make

01:06:24.619 --> 01:06:27.239
sure I could talk about it properly. And I do

01:06:27.239 --> 01:06:29.440
think there must have been something a little

01:06:29.440 --> 01:06:34.909
off because... who's the ref thomas taylor started

01:06:34.909 --> 01:06:39.690
checking on jason in the corner after the fifth

01:06:39.690 --> 01:06:42.849
and he would come over and talk to him and talk

01:06:42.849 --> 01:06:45.909
to the coaches and make sure he's okay so i think

01:06:45.909 --> 01:06:48.389
there must have been something that people were

01:06:48.389 --> 01:06:51.289
seeing in the ring about him being more hurt

01:06:51.289 --> 01:06:55.349
than maybe it looked on the broadcast like maybe

01:06:55.349 --> 01:06:58.429
he wasn't talking well or something and he did

01:06:58.429 --> 01:07:02.570
get buzzed a few times And in the sixth round,

01:07:02.769 --> 01:07:06.309
he looked pretty hurt, actually. And he wasn't

01:07:06.309 --> 01:07:10.090
walking great going back to the corner. Now,

01:07:10.150 --> 01:07:14.150
all that being said, it was not the head coach

01:07:14.150 --> 01:07:18.110
that stopped it. It was the chief second that

01:07:18.110 --> 01:07:20.690
stopped the fight. And the head coach was pissed

01:07:20.690 --> 01:07:23.769
about it. During, like, during the broadcast,

01:07:23.889 --> 01:07:26.789
he was yelling at him. And they're like, no,

01:07:26.889 --> 01:07:29.010
we didn't stop the fight. And the ref's like,

01:07:29.190 --> 01:07:31.889
nah, he stopped the fight. Like, there's no take

01:07:31.889 --> 01:07:40.670
backs in boxing. So. Yeah. But, I will say, Colossal

01:07:40.670 --> 01:07:45.590
was getting tagged. Like, Jason was doing pretty

01:07:45.590 --> 01:07:48.090
good work. I did not expect it to be that close

01:07:48.090 --> 01:07:51.750
a fight. But. Kalaza was taking the punches way

01:07:51.750 --> 01:07:55.489
better, hands down. Like, Jason was getting wobbled

01:07:55.489 --> 01:07:59.750
and looking hurt, but he was throwing back bombs

01:07:59.750 --> 01:08:03.909
and fucking landing them. So, I don't know, it

01:08:03.909 --> 01:08:06.250
was a really good competitive fight. And that,

01:08:06.409 --> 01:08:11.289
I don't know if that plays a factor or not, but

01:08:11.289 --> 01:08:17.090
Vason had been, he fought all the way up at 115

01:08:17.090 --> 01:08:20.739
for a few fights. So I wonder if he didn't maybe

01:08:20.739 --> 01:08:24.800
have not a great weight cut, and that's why one

01:08:24.800 --> 01:08:26.859
of his coaches was more worried about him than

01:08:26.859 --> 01:08:32.939
maybe everybody else was. That adds a wrinkle

01:08:32.939 --> 01:08:37.159
that I was not aware of. Let me double check,

01:08:37.220 --> 01:08:39.640
but I'm pretty sure he fought up at 115 for a

01:08:39.640 --> 01:08:42.840
little while. But, I mean, he didn't look super

01:08:42.840 --> 01:08:46.739
weight -drained. He looked okay. He was up at

01:08:46.739 --> 01:08:51.060
112, not 115. Oh, no, he did have one fight at

01:08:51.060 --> 01:08:55.319
115, and then he went back down to 112. And then

01:08:55.319 --> 01:09:00.479
he went down to... Yeah, he was up at 115 for

01:09:00.479 --> 01:09:04.119
one fight, and then down to 108, and then 112,

01:09:04.300 --> 01:09:07.659
and then 108, 108. And then his weights aren't

01:09:07.659 --> 01:09:12.239
listed for two fights in Thailand. So, I'm assuming

01:09:12.239 --> 01:09:18.590
they were 105 fights, maybe? Maybe. Yeah, I saw

01:09:18.590 --> 01:09:22.550
Jason Basin at the fights in Osaka, I think.

01:09:24.050 --> 01:09:26.590
When I went. I'm pretty sure that's the event

01:09:26.590 --> 01:09:32.810
I was at. And he was fighting at 108. Jason Basin.

01:09:34.109 --> 01:09:39.569
Fucking great name. I love it. It is. But just

01:09:39.569 --> 01:09:41.970
in general, I wonder if maybe there's some stuff

01:09:41.970 --> 01:09:46.899
kind of behind the scenes that we... are unaware

01:09:46.899 --> 01:09:50.479
of that makes this not a terrible stoppage and

01:09:50.479 --> 01:09:52.600
the fact that the ref was checking on him for

01:09:52.600 --> 01:09:55.699
two rounds ahead of time makes me think that

01:09:55.699 --> 01:09:58.920
maybe there were some signs in the ring that

01:09:58.920 --> 01:10:02.340
didn't come across on the broadcast perhaps because

01:10:02.340 --> 01:10:05.720
usually like usually thomas taylor doesn't go

01:10:05.720 --> 01:10:08.199
do that especially not at the beginning of fights

01:10:08.199 --> 01:10:11.800
and if he is doing it he does it to both corners

01:10:11.800 --> 01:10:15.199
he's a good he never he never checked on collazo

01:10:16.109 --> 01:10:19.510
He went over and he tried talking to Jason, who

01:10:19.510 --> 01:10:21.430
didn't answer him, and then he was talking to

01:10:21.430 --> 01:10:23.890
the coach. And a couple times he turned to the

01:10:23.890 --> 01:10:25.770
doctor and said, the coroner says he's fine.

01:10:26.689 --> 01:10:30.930
So this is watching it back in hindsight. I wouldn't

01:10:30.930 --> 01:10:33.270
have probably noticed if I didn't know that it

01:10:33.270 --> 01:10:37.310
was a controversial stoppage. But Thomas Taylor

01:10:37.310 --> 01:10:39.829
checking on him that much and, like, giving the

01:10:39.829 --> 01:10:42.510
doctor a heads up, like, they say he's okay.

01:10:43.760 --> 01:10:46.000
Makes me think maybe it's not that bad a corner

01:10:46.000 --> 01:10:52.380
stoppage. Well, you're the expert. For me, when

01:10:52.380 --> 01:10:55.140
it comes to the smaller weight classes, I defer

01:10:55.140 --> 01:10:59.239
to your opinion. It was a really good competitive

01:10:59.239 --> 01:11:03.439
fight. That's what I saw. A good competitive

01:11:03.439 --> 01:11:07.359
fight. I would also rather have it stop too soon

01:11:07.359 --> 01:11:11.060
than too late. Oh, well, with what we've seen

01:11:11.060 --> 01:11:16.939
in Japan. and also Ghana. Yeah, and that sixth

01:11:16.939 --> 01:11:19.199
and seventh round, Collazo was starting to put

01:11:19.199 --> 01:11:23.739
the beating on his ass. He could have gone more

01:11:23.739 --> 01:11:27.279
rounds. I'm sure he could have. But I'm also

01:11:27.279 --> 01:11:30.640
relatively sure that he was going to lose that

01:11:30.640 --> 01:11:35.500
fight. Unless he magically landed something big,

01:11:35.640 --> 01:11:38.439
which he could. Like, Vason has power for 105.

01:11:40.659 --> 01:11:42.960
But... Kalazo was wearing the punches really

01:11:42.960 --> 01:11:47.180
well. I would say it's a fun fight to go watch

01:11:47.180 --> 01:11:53.380
for those seven rounds that it existed. There's

01:11:53.380 --> 01:11:56.340
a lot of cool little angles and shit. Kalazo

01:11:56.340 --> 01:11:59.920
hits some great angles. He's really good at that

01:11:59.920 --> 01:12:04.000
duck under quarter step to the corner and then

01:12:04.000 --> 01:12:07.420
the body shot underneath. He's really good at

01:12:07.420 --> 01:12:11.220
that. And Basin was landing some really solid

01:12:11.220 --> 01:12:14.979
power shots like you had mentioned. He was. Yeah,

01:12:15.000 --> 01:12:20.359
yeah. And the great thing about the little guys

01:12:20.359 --> 01:12:22.859
is they were both throwing combinations and just

01:12:22.859 --> 01:12:26.319
punching in between each other. Which is always

01:12:26.319 --> 01:12:35.279
fun. Alright. If there's anything else... No.

01:12:35.920 --> 01:12:38.000
That's all we got on the docket. There's nothing

01:12:38.000 --> 01:12:44.300
upcoming at all? Not for this week. That's crazy.

01:12:45.359 --> 01:12:52.859
Yeah. There is minor stuff, but nothing. Okay.

01:12:53.039 --> 01:12:56.619
I trust you, Leo. It's not very often that there's

01:12:56.619 --> 01:13:00.180
nothing. Yeah, it's a rare thing, but it happens

01:13:00.180 --> 01:13:04.079
towards the end of the year. November, December

01:13:04.079 --> 01:13:07.630
is starting to look good. Yeah, for sure. And

01:13:07.630 --> 01:13:16.210
even mid -October is solid. So it's just right

01:13:16.210 --> 01:13:21.510
now. Not a lot coming up. But it's all right

01:13:21.510 --> 01:13:26.229
because we've had some good stuff pass by. And

01:13:26.229 --> 01:13:32.789
there's going to be news. Always news. Are we

01:13:32.789 --> 01:13:36.960
good? I think we're good. Okay, no parting words

01:13:36.960 --> 01:13:39.899
this week? Yeah, that's actually exactly what

01:13:39.899 --> 01:13:45.439
I was going to get to, was parting words. Parting

01:13:45.439 --> 01:13:48.840
words. If we have nothing else, then that's where

01:13:48.840 --> 01:13:53.319
we're at. Try a new drink this season. I've been

01:13:53.319 --> 01:13:58.079
branching out away from just beers. But even

01:13:58.079 --> 01:14:00.220
if you don't drink alcohol, go try a new juice.

01:14:00.399 --> 01:14:02.859
There's so many juices out there that I've never

01:14:02.859 --> 01:14:05.119
tried. I'm sure some of them are not terrible.

01:14:06.899 --> 01:14:10.539
I tried melon milk. Disappointing. I thought

01:14:10.539 --> 01:14:14.619
it would be better. Melon milk? Yeah, you know,

01:14:14.659 --> 01:14:16.819
like strawberry milk? Yeah, yeah. But it's those

01:14:16.819 --> 01:14:22.300
green honeydew melons they have in Japan. I thought

01:14:22.300 --> 01:14:26.020
I would really like it. I did not. But I tried

01:14:26.020 --> 01:14:29.430
it, and now I know I don't like it. Well, I'm

01:14:29.430 --> 01:14:34.810
going to throw out a quote from Ralph Waldo Emerson.

01:14:36.109 --> 01:14:43.090
We aim above the mark to hit the mark. Oh. Super

01:14:43.090 --> 01:14:47.029
helpful. I know. Shoot for the moon and you'll

01:14:47.029 --> 01:14:50.729
land in the stars? Yeah, basically. That's what

01:14:50.729 --> 01:14:59.489
Emerson was going for. It's not bad advice. But

01:14:59.489 --> 01:15:02.909
if that's going to do it for this edition, then

01:15:02.909 --> 01:15:04.949
that's going to do it for this edition.