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It's good that we've been going this long and

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haven't really started yet, because I've been

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capturing it all. Oh, it's fucking fantastic

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conversation. All right, let's fucking do this.

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Boxing B -sides meets boxing before dark. All

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the boxing peeps are in the same place. Shanada.

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It's a crossover. Yeah, you are the crossover

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elite right now. How's it going over there in

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JP? I am so fucking tired. I got home at 7 a

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.m. And it is now 11 a .m. So. Japan. And then

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we also got Saul, the one and only. Taul. Probox

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good. Probox good. All right. Lester Martinez.

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Gave a good account of himself. Good account.

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I have thoughts about that fight. All right.

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So do we just want to jump into the... Canelo

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Crawford card, we'll just work our way to the

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bottom. First, honorable mention to the shitty

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matchroom card earlier that day. Molly McCann

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switching over from MMA to boxing and still getting

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kicked. That was really funny. Referee, out of

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his mind, not there at all. Blatantly front kicked.

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Fucking hand up his ass, I guess. I cannot believe

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that's not a DQ for someone to throw a front

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kick. That's fucking ridiculous. Molly McCann

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didn't care. Of course she didn't care. She can

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handle it. She just kept beating the shit out

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of her. Yep. Yep. Normal day in the beautiful

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UK, I guess. Alright. Oh, it was a UK card. It

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was. Nick Ball kicks people too, so it must be

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a UK thing. Anyways, no one cares about that

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card. I care about it. Can you give me admin

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terms? We'll get back to it the next time we

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sit down. So, I wanted to start on the Canelo

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Crawford card, Marco Verde. Man, what's his name?

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I wrote down the wrong one. Akale. Akale. I forgot

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his name. So, he was pretty upset that the fight

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was stopped. Oh, this stoppage was horrific.

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You think so? I agree. I'm not one of those boxing

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fans where the fighters have to die every time

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for it to be a stoppage. like it's not it's not

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the amateurs like you don't like you don't stop

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it at the slightest wobble you see if he's actually

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hurt judging by how he's defending himself and

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then you step in you don't just watch him barely

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wobble after getting hit like slightly through

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your guard like this stoppage was really bad

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granted it was going in that direction but this

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stoppage is really bad i agree i think that um

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I wouldn't say it's probably one of the worst

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ones I've seen. Obviously, I think it still goes

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to Milt Taylor and Chavez. Really? Yeah. You

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guys don't agree with that? Continue with this

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one. Continue with this one before we get sidetracked.

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Yeah, you're right. We'll talk about that another

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day. But either way, it was a bad stoppage, I

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feel. That was way too early. Again, he was getting

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hurt. There's no doubt about it. He was going

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to lose the fight. But they just stopped it.

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I believe they stopped it just to keep padding

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the record of Marco Verde. Which I understand,

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but, you know. I thought that it was going in

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that direction, and it wasn't necessarily that

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he was hurt in that moment, but it was just that

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he was not adequately defending himself over

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the course of, what, four rounds? Three and a

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half rounds? He wasn't adequately defending himself,

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is what my thinking is what the ref was thinking.

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I know we've done the devil's advocate. It was

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just a bad stoppage, but there's not much else

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to it. Yeah, it was a little early. I don't want

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to scream corruption or whatever. It's just one

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of those value judgments because the ref is there

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and you're not. Whatever. It is what it is, unfortunately.

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Like for the case of Akali. It was a shutout

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to that point. Akali was never going to win that

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shit. Save him from a little bit of extra punishment.

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As much as he's not going to like it. Of course

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he's not going to like it. He's a professional

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fucking boxer. He's not going to like it. But

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that's what you're there for, ref. One thing

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I will say is that Akali kind of did give him

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a good fight. He did. Yeah, I got to give him

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props. He He was duking it out. Yeah, it was

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a good scrap. He made it scrappy. Yeah, he made

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it scrappy. It was fun. It was a good fight,

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but ended in a horrible card. Yes. Oh, moving

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up. Sultan Al -Muhammad versus Martin Caraballo.

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Sorry, they apparently don't do double L's in

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Miami. Yeah, it was a one -way beating. Like,

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pretty much from the onset. It was not very interesting.

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No. I found this more interesting than the Muhammad

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Al -Aqal. Oh, yeah. Like, I would have rather

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had this. I would rather have, if you're going

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to give me a Saudi plant, I would have taken

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Sultan Al -Muhammad over Muhammad Al -Aqal. No,

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I will say that was a really good fight to open

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the card. It's funny, though. A lot of the openers

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were better than some of the main fights on the

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card. I'm not naming names. Callum Walsh should

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not have been so high up. Callum Walsh should

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have... I got words to say once we get there.

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But they should be pushing this kid, Sultan,

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a lot more than Alakel. Alakel is... We'll get

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to it right now. He was boring as fuck. Pill

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-fisted. But we'll get to it right now. Stolten

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is fun, at least. He was a fun fighter. Yeah.

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Moving up, Reito Tsutsumi gets the stoppage and

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won over Javier Martinez. Is there a lot to take

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away from a one -round stoppage? Reito's the

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better brother, for sure. I've been saying it

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the whole time, but he's definitely the better

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brother. That was a pretty fucking... That was

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a pretty good knockout. Another Saudi plant.

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Sutsumi. To an extent, yeah. He's a step removed

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from Sultan Al -Muhammad or Al -Aqal. He's like

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a step cousin. Yeah, he's still a plant though.

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Yeah. Not like Caleb though. It makes me want

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to... It makes my opinion of you start in a negative

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place. Whereas it would be neutral any other

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way. Raico Santana stopped Steven Nelson. This

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felt like a bad stoppage. Another one that happened

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a little bit too soon. I don't know. What do

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you guys think? I don't know why they stopped

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it that early, dude. He wasn't hurt. He wasn't

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damaged at all. He was caught in a bad position.

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That's really what it was. I mean, I've seen

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rescue fighters that are fucking out on their

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knees, out on their feet. That's what I mean.

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I don't know. Just a weird night. Just a very

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weird couple stoppages. Yeah, this one felt like

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it should have been an eight count. and even

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then like like you have to i get i get the whole

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like you have to protect them from themselves

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but also like it's professional boxing on like

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like you need to you need to give them a little

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bit of leeway to bounce back and recover because

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some some fight some fighters can get like shattered

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easy and recover like it's nothing like They

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look like they're on skates the entire fucking

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fight, but they keep recovering quickly, so you

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can't, like, you can't judge it by a first look.

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Especially in a ten -rounder. A four -rounder,

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whatever. Right? Ten -rounder? No. No. Unacceptable.

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Yeah. I was gonna say, like, for a ten -round

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guy, you're not giving him a ten -round guy's,

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like, giving him enough rope. for him to hit.

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He should be hanging himself with it. You shouldn't

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be stringing him up. Honestly, like, Steven Nelson's

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off the butt Pacheco, you know? Obviously, Pacheco's

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not the greatest, but he's taking harder shots.

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You know? He didn't look hurt. He was just buzzed

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a little bit, you know? Bad stoppage. This was

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the Cuban that had Team Mexico on his hat. I

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thought that was funny. Yeah. Ironic. Yeah, I'm

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sure he's a... He's a Reynoso guy. That's probably

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what it is, but... Because, like, Stephen Nelson

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is a BOMAC guy, right? BOMAC guy, yeah. So they

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have their guys, like, up and down the bill.

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Except for the Saudi plants. But moving up, Jermaine

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Franklin, UD over Ivan Ditchko. Which of you

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two was it that was really going hard for Jermaine

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Franklin? Me? I'm 100 % right. I was wrong. Ditchko

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was not ready, and Jermaine Franklin, again,

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he showed up ready for the occasion. And voila,

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he actually... Did it. He just did it. Franklin

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is always ready. Like, he stays in shape. Like,

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Franklin... Shape is a broad term. He stays in

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his version of shape. He's a professional who's

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ready to get off the couch to fight. And you

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know what? Like, Ditchco, 35, never really fought.

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Danny won with a winning record. Or, like, with

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a good record. and like it wasn't he wasn't gonna

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be the guy to step up at 35 to beat jermaine

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franklin like have you ever seen it's this it's

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it's a meme but it's like about amazon reviews

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it says like uh 5 .0 on 35 reviews It's the Drake

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one. Or, like, a 4 .5 with, like, 30 ,000 reviews.

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Yeah. Exactly. Like, that's what Drake Franklin

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is. He's that 4 .5. Yeah. Well, that's crazy.

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No, no, he's not 4 .5, guys. He's, like, 3. And

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heavyweight? Like, he's, like, again, like, I'm

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not saying, like, there's guys who don't beat

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him at heavyweight, and he's, like, only beatable

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by the top, but I'm saying, like, you have to

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be a special guy to not be given problems. Like,

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I think there's like... Yeah, no. You're right.

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Like, he does give guys issues consistently.

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He's a quality veteran. He's a good... Good gatekeeper.

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Like, he tests you. He's a very... You know what?

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I might want to see him fight Atalma. I think

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Fabio... I think him... I think him... I think

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Jermaine Franklin and Fabio Wardley is a much...

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more fun little encounter instead of the potential

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spoiler that he might be for Atama. I would love

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to see Franklin beat Atama. That would be crazy.

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That's what I mean. Dude, I just put an article

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in the publish thing. Am I getting hyped for

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Heavyweight? For Atama. Yeah, but I was right.

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It's my point here. Daichiko was not good. And

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Franklin is. Yeah, exactly what you just said.

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Albeit, not the most exciting fight until near

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the end. It's just because Franklin doesn't really

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have power. He's a very volume guy. Yeah, he

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was just loading up. He was just loading up.

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He's a very solid boxer. It's just like, if he

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just had a little more power... He would be a

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problem. He would be such an issue. Because,

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like, the success, though, like, he boxes great.

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It's just the power that, like, why didn't AJ

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had their success when they didn't respect him?

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Yeah. Because otherwise, he pieces you up pretty

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good. It's just the power on Franklin that really

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costs him, which is why he's a great, like, solid

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veteran for a lot of prospects. Because, like.

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It's basically an IQ test. Like on risk... Yeah,

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because Jermaine Franklin isn't a power threat.

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He's an IQ threat. Yeah, like he's very much

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tested your risk tolerance because if you're

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a prospect who's bound to get knocked out, then

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you're going to respect Jermaine Franklin. But,

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like, it's a big IQ and risk tolerance test,

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which is good. There's not much at heavyweight.

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At heavyweight, it's either, like, you basically

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fight, like, fat construction workers until you

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get to world level where, like, oh, shit, everyone

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can hit and everyone can box. So having guys

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like Franklin in the mix are great, especially

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for a budding prospect. Yeah. Is Franklin the

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new Chisora? No. The American Chisora? He's much

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better at boxing than Chizora was. I guess. Chizora

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was a good test, though. I don't think he'll

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ever get the chances Chizora did, though. True.

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Oh, hell no. Absolutely not. Chizora has got

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to be skill, record, and pain ratio. The only

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person who beats him is Kambosis. like no because

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like chisora like chisora has longevity there

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too like every time every time you're like finally

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he's gone he's lost so many times you're like

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what the is he doing winning again like when

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he knocked out takum and came back i'm like oh

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my god another like another eight years of this

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the same literally he'll like he'll win he'll

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win like one or two and then he'll lose four

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in a row and then like but it's just been it's

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a cycle but you know what he's still around and

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somehow he's the ibf mandatory which is hilarious

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he's sniffing a title shot with that ibf again

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yeah which is crazy put this guy out of his misery

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holy fuck have you heard um you've heard maybe

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you have maybe you haven't but it's a cheeky

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nando's with the lads oh fuck cheeky cheeky mandos

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with Eddie Hearn and the IBF. Oh, my God. Maybe

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we're not doing Eddie Hearn because Chisora's...

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I don't even blame Eddie Hearn for that. The

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IBF has a clear set of rules. If you play their

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game, you're going to get the title shot. It

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doesn't... Cheeky Mando. It doesn't matter how

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good or bad you are. If you play the game, you

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get in line, you beat the guy in front of you,

00:17:20.289 --> 00:17:25.589
you're there. A lot of A -side talent doesn't

00:17:25.589 --> 00:17:28.049
want to go through that, so you end up with a

00:17:28.049 --> 00:17:32.369
lot of not A -listers that end up getting their

00:17:32.369 --> 00:17:34.710
titles out by following the rules. God damn it,

00:17:34.730 --> 00:17:37.990
do they not grind their teeth just the same?

00:17:42.069 --> 00:17:46.910
Just thought I'd throw that out there. They grind

00:17:46.910 --> 00:17:53.859
just like everyone else. Just, just, ugh. Oh,

00:17:53.880 --> 00:17:57.000
well. Who's next? Can we please talk about Mbili?

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We're close. We're almost there. Brandon Adams,

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UD over Sergei Bohachov. Oh, yes. Oh. Special

00:18:06.319 --> 00:18:12.259
guest. Brandon Adams is the fucking, he's the

00:18:12.259 --> 00:18:15.900
foil. He's Bohachov's kryptonite. For the record,

00:18:15.900 --> 00:18:18.690
I got this one right as well. I said that this

00:18:18.690 --> 00:18:21.309
was an easy way to get rid of Boa Chuck because

00:18:21.309 --> 00:18:24.849
Brandon Adams is a lot more beatable for all

00:18:24.849 --> 00:18:27.309
of the talent that Turkey has in his sphere of

00:18:27.309 --> 00:18:32.730
influence at 154. I said this. I said I called

00:18:32.730 --> 00:18:36.970
it. I said that Boa Chuck is better than Brandon

00:18:36.970 --> 00:18:39.910
Adams. Brandon Adams is just that, like, has

00:18:39.910 --> 00:18:44.210
his number. So the thing is that with this loss,

00:18:44.309 --> 00:18:46.829
you go, oh. here's the guy who's better than

00:18:46.829 --> 00:18:49.990
boa chuck and then basically only virgil gets

00:18:49.990 --> 00:18:54.509
over with the like bad looking win here and like

00:18:54.509 --> 00:18:57.609
you're gonna ever everyone at 154 basically gets

00:18:57.609 --> 00:19:00.609
the feast on brandon adams and be like look this

00:19:00.609 --> 00:19:02.910
is a better this win is better than virgil's

00:19:02.910 --> 00:19:06.720
against boa chuck Oh, shit. Yeah, Brandon Adams

00:19:06.720 --> 00:19:09.720
versus Madrimov. Sign it. Yeah, like, that's

00:19:09.720 --> 00:19:13.400
what I mean. Like, for sure, Boots is going to

00:19:13.400 --> 00:19:16.039
fight Brandon Adams next year. And it's going

00:19:16.039 --> 00:19:18.579
to be, and half the marketing after Boots wipes

00:19:18.579 --> 00:19:21.259
the floor with him is, look at this. This is

00:19:21.259 --> 00:19:24.079
the guy who beat Boa Chuck, who gave Virgil hell.

00:19:25.640 --> 00:19:28.180
I would say that me and Isaac can go to hell

00:19:28.180 --> 00:19:29.960
right now. We're going to go to bad shit. Dude,

00:19:30.000 --> 00:19:32.299
I was right there too. I thought that Boho Chuck

00:19:32.299 --> 00:19:35.660
was going to get his back and he was going to

00:19:35.660 --> 00:19:42.500
get his back just emphatically. No. No. Sometimes

00:19:42.500 --> 00:19:47.000
a guy just has your number. The issue is when

00:19:47.000 --> 00:19:48.980
the promoter knows that a guy has your number.

00:19:51.319 --> 00:19:54.299
There's no problem with a guy having your number.

00:19:54.680 --> 00:19:58.140
that's just how sports are like you could fight

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20 times against brandon adams and you could

00:20:01.000 --> 00:20:04.319
maybe win one it's just how yeah the issue how

00:20:04.319 --> 00:20:08.259
it is he's just the issue he got you yeah the

00:20:08.259 --> 00:20:11.400
issue is your promoter knows that and it's now

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gonna you and case in point do not like the boa

00:20:15.619 --> 00:20:17.799
chuck has got the boa chuck's pro you're probably

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the next time you'll see boa chuck if uh like

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is either if A guy at 154 actively calls him

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out or is an IBF mandatory? Oh, no. He might

00:20:30.160 --> 00:20:32.480
be gone for a while now. He might be a cheeky

00:20:32.480 --> 00:20:36.180
Mando in a few years. That's the whole play.

00:20:38.819 --> 00:20:43.299
Boa Chuck is probably pro -box bound. Boa Chuck

00:20:43.299 --> 00:20:45.420
would do well on pro -box, actually. Oh, absolutely.

00:20:46.339 --> 00:20:50.519
Going up the IBF route on pro -box is perfect.

00:20:52.880 --> 00:20:54.980
Like, you can see, like, it worked out perfectly.

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They now have a perfect B -side opponent at 154

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that everyone has now watched, who is ostensibly

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worse than Boachuk, but looks better for promotion.

00:21:10.839 --> 00:21:14.000
So, there we go. I was two for two on these.

00:21:14.819 --> 00:21:20.200
Yeah. I just noticed. Nathan, how you doing?

00:21:22.160 --> 00:21:26.859
What up, fellas? Welcome to the pod, buddy. Welcome.

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It goes good. We saw the good guys win on Saturday,

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despite all the odds. The good guys being Inouye,

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right? Yeah. Inouye and Crawford, 100%. Yeah,

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Inouye. Yeah, that's it. And Jermaine Franklin.

00:21:55.170 --> 00:21:58.349
And Jermaine Franklin. And Brandon Adams. Brandon

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Adams is not the good guy here. Oh, no, he's

00:22:01.470 --> 00:22:03.450
not. I thought he was going to be a good feeder.

00:22:04.250 --> 00:22:08.009
I'm pro Boa Chucks thing in the mix. I'm actually,

00:22:08.089 --> 00:22:12.769
like, the prediction was a cynical one. I respect

00:22:12.769 --> 00:22:15.990
that. That was a cynical prediction, but I ride

00:22:15.990 --> 00:22:19.150
for Boa Chuck here because he's fun as fuck to

00:22:19.150 --> 00:22:21.410
watch and he's good. He's an actual good boxer.

00:22:22.289 --> 00:22:25.670
He's tough as hell. Those body shots looked painful.

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That's what I mean. I am the biggest Boots Glazer

00:22:32.849 --> 00:22:38.170
alive because I think Boots, when he faces a

00:22:38.170 --> 00:22:41.759
quality opponent... who, like, actually requires

00:22:41.759 --> 00:22:45.119
him to use his defense and, like, box like a

00:22:45.119 --> 00:22:47.740
normal human being, oh, my God. You're going

00:22:47.740 --> 00:22:51.460
to see what makes him great. And I think Boa

00:22:51.460 --> 00:22:54.119
Chuck would have been perfect. I think Boa Chuck

00:22:54.119 --> 00:22:56.460
would have been perfect to get that out of Boots.

00:22:57.839 --> 00:22:59.799
Well, basically, what happened with Stannionis

00:22:59.799 --> 00:23:01.539
was what happened to Boots, what happened with

00:23:01.539 --> 00:23:04.319
Boa Chuck. Yeah, I was about to say, like, Stannionis

00:23:04.319 --> 00:23:06.880
is the blueprint for what would happen to Boa

00:23:06.880 --> 00:23:10.200
Chuck. Oh, yeah. that's what I mean like boots

00:23:10.200 --> 00:23:13.019
like boots performances are so inconsistent just

00:23:13.019 --> 00:23:16.920
cuz like Like he knows he the bad part about

00:23:16.920 --> 00:23:19.960
him having a chin as he so knows it So he doesn't

00:23:19.960 --> 00:23:21.960
give a fuck about like guys who are not even

00:23:21.960 --> 00:23:24.299
close to his level or aren't a threat to him

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That's why I'm saying nobody seriously like dude

00:23:28.680 --> 00:23:31.059
like who cares. He knows you can't get hit or

00:23:31.059 --> 00:23:33.579
just like dude Well, it's boxing you go to get

00:23:33.579 --> 00:23:36.099
here, but the team belong to say you're gonna

00:23:36.099 --> 00:23:39.640
get hit Well, Berlanga's going to get hit by

00:23:39.640 --> 00:23:42.500
anyone, dude. Like, come on. They're scoring

00:23:42.500 --> 00:23:45.859
points. They're scoring points. I know. No matter

00:23:45.859 --> 00:23:50.019
how tippy -tap it is. Like, the reason why I

00:23:50.019 --> 00:23:55.299
prop up Boots Crawford as anywhere near competitive

00:23:55.299 --> 00:23:59.180
is because it's not because I'm trying to downplay

00:23:59.180 --> 00:24:01.039
Crawford. It's because I believe in Boots that

00:24:01.039 --> 00:24:03.119
much. We're like, oh, my God. They will give

00:24:03.119 --> 00:24:07.079
us fireworks down the stretch. i think that would

00:24:07.079 --> 00:24:11.640
be a purist sort of wet dream like they both

00:24:11.640 --> 00:24:14.160
like they both have that mean streak and that

00:24:14.160 --> 00:24:19.220
dog and the dynamicism to really just like it's

00:24:19.220 --> 00:24:22.039
not it's not so much crawford hate as it is like

00:24:22.039 --> 00:24:28.480
boots i have belief in boots and like i hope

00:24:28.480 --> 00:24:31.099
i hope i hope the god that like even though he

00:24:31.099 --> 00:24:34.660
signed with matchroom like we get some fun food

00:24:34.660 --> 00:24:41.170
stuff Yeah, it's, like, it's really not even

00:24:41.170 --> 00:24:43.970
his fault, but, like, he is extremely avoided

00:24:43.970 --> 00:24:46.049
as a fighter and for, like, obvious reasons,

00:24:46.109 --> 00:24:48.029
right? The reason that he and Crawford can even

00:24:48.029 --> 00:24:49.890
be in the same sentence is his skills are legit.

00:24:50.470 --> 00:24:53.630
So, like, he had to fight. I can't even remember

00:24:53.630 --> 00:24:55.289
the guy's name. He had to fight some dude that,

00:24:55.329 --> 00:24:57.769
like, he 12 -0'd in his first fight. He had to

00:24:57.769 --> 00:24:59.549
rematch him right away because there was literally

00:24:59.549 --> 00:25:02.789
no one else for him to fight. Oh, he had to grind

00:25:02.789 --> 00:25:05.730
his teeth on Showbox to even get a spot on a

00:25:05.730 --> 00:25:11.220
Showtime undercard. It was the Karen Chakudzian

00:25:11.220 --> 00:25:16.619
bat guy. Yeah. I've talked about this before.

00:25:16.700 --> 00:25:19.599
Karen is such a negative fighter. It puts Boots

00:25:19.599 --> 00:25:22.380
in a bad light. But also, I don't think there

00:25:22.380 --> 00:25:25.140
was a single moment where Boots wasn't in complete

00:25:25.140 --> 00:25:30.410
control. But it was a matter of... there being

00:25:30.410 --> 00:25:34.269
whispers that maybe Boots didn't do as good as

00:25:34.269 --> 00:25:37.589
you think he did. Yeah, styles make fights is

00:25:37.589 --> 00:25:40.109
all. Yeah, that's exactly what it comes down

00:25:40.109 --> 00:25:44.730
to. Let's move up. Mohamed Alakel versus Travis

00:25:44.730 --> 00:25:48.470
Crawford. Alakel gets a UD. Don't have a whole

00:25:48.470 --> 00:25:51.210
lot to say on this one. This was boring as shit.

00:25:52.250 --> 00:25:54.289
I feel like they chose that opponent on purpose

00:25:54.289 --> 00:25:59.000
just because of the name. I thought that had

00:25:59.000 --> 00:26:02.500
something to do with it. It's got to have something

00:26:02.500 --> 00:26:05.140
to do with it. That's fucking too much. Travis

00:26:05.140 --> 00:26:11.339
Crawford, Terrence Crawford. Like, come on. But

00:26:11.339 --> 00:26:14.720
something that was worth watching. Christian

00:26:14.720 --> 00:26:20.859
and Bealy split draw with Lester Martinez. This

00:26:20.859 --> 00:26:24.220
is the first time I have seen nobody complain

00:26:24.220 --> 00:26:28.980
about a draw. Nobody in SP was mad. My complaint

00:26:28.980 --> 00:26:32.359
about the draw was not about the scoring itself.

00:26:32.500 --> 00:26:36.099
It was about Mbili's performance. What was your

00:26:36.099 --> 00:26:39.799
complaint with his performance? Mbili does not

00:26:39.799 --> 00:26:42.380
have more than the single gear that he fights

00:26:42.380 --> 00:26:46.740
in. No, Mbili's not that good. No, I know. Like,

00:26:46.740 --> 00:26:52.619
really. No, the thing is that the way he's coached,

00:26:52.619 --> 00:26:57.880
like... I live in Canada. I'm somewhat in the

00:26:57.880 --> 00:27:00.299
know for Canadian boxing and everything. The

00:27:00.299 --> 00:27:03.720
coaches he has are not bad coaches. It is not

00:27:03.720 --> 00:27:07.859
his trainer. Fuck, you saw the corner work. The

00:27:07.859 --> 00:27:10.220
translation wasn't great, but those who speak

00:27:10.220 --> 00:27:14.579
French, they're trying to get him to set traps

00:27:14.579 --> 00:27:18.039
and set up his attacks instead of just going

00:27:18.039 --> 00:27:20.019
right into his chest and smothering his work.

00:27:22.030 --> 00:27:26.130
If Mbili fought that fight not with a jab and

00:27:26.130 --> 00:27:30.269
fought it maybe even 5 % smarter, it's probably

00:27:30.269 --> 00:27:33.809
10 -0 Mbili. And credit to Lester Martinez for

00:27:33.809 --> 00:27:36.369
hanging in there and fighting his fight. But

00:27:36.369 --> 00:27:39.710
god, Mbili really fights like an idiot. Because

00:27:39.710 --> 00:27:42.049
it isn't that he doesn't have more than the one

00:27:42.049 --> 00:27:44.849
gear. He just fights in the one gear for whatever

00:27:44.849 --> 00:27:47.230
reason. He's comfortable there. He doesn't like

00:27:47.230 --> 00:27:52.509
leaving his comfort zone. Like, he gets, like,

00:27:52.569 --> 00:27:55.230
mincemeat made out of him by, like, top guys

00:27:55.230 --> 00:27:58.430
at 168. Because, like, even, like, Caleb Plant,

00:27:58.509 --> 00:28:00.470
before Caleb Plant was washed up, like, yeah,

00:28:00.509 --> 00:28:03.109
Caleb Plant gasses in the later rounds, but that's

00:28:03.109 --> 00:28:05.390
only when you force him to fight out of his comfort

00:28:05.390 --> 00:28:09.670
area. Caleb Plant could stay in, probably, second

00:28:09.670 --> 00:28:12.269
gear in the whole fight with a guy like Imbili.

00:28:13.829 --> 00:28:16.609
Benavidez beats the fuck out of him. Even guys

00:28:16.609 --> 00:28:21.369
like, like you say, Pacheco. Pacheco? It's not

00:28:21.369 --> 00:28:24.730
his coaching. It's not his fitness. He chooses

00:28:24.730 --> 00:28:29.890
to fight with a very low IQ. And you can see

00:28:29.890 --> 00:28:33.589
just by the draw. And it was perfect, though.

00:28:34.009 --> 00:28:37.589
This was fight of the year for me so far. Really?

00:28:38.109 --> 00:28:41.390
Yeah, it was fucking great. Did you not like

00:28:41.390 --> 00:28:44.349
it? It was a great fight. Fight of the year so

00:28:44.349 --> 00:28:51.109
far? Yeah, who beats it? I don't know. I personally

00:28:51.109 --> 00:28:57.390
think that fucking... I don't know. Was Virgil

00:28:57.390 --> 00:28:59.809
Boach up this year? No. No, it was last year.

00:29:00.329 --> 00:29:04.529
Okay. I didn't know he got there last, too, on

00:29:04.529 --> 00:29:09.309
my short list. This was more fun. I know. This

00:29:09.309 --> 00:29:12.849
was more fun. It was a lot of fun. My thing is,

00:29:12.849 --> 00:29:14.589
it's only because it was a 10 -round fight, too,

00:29:14.630 --> 00:29:18.750
which I would have loved. two more rounds. That's

00:29:18.750 --> 00:29:22.549
true. That was a weird marketing thing they did

00:29:22.549 --> 00:29:26.029
for Netflix. Netflix demanded that the main event

00:29:26.029 --> 00:29:28.470
was the only 12 round fight is what I heard.

00:29:28.769 --> 00:29:32.150
To make it special. But they didn't fucking make

00:29:32.150 --> 00:29:36.430
sense. They should have made the main 15 rounds

00:29:36.430 --> 00:29:40.609
so we could have seen Canelo cry even more. It's

00:29:40.609 --> 00:29:44.700
fucked up. All right. So our fight of the year.

00:29:44.700 --> 00:29:47.640
Crawford could have done another 12, dog. Our

00:29:47.640 --> 00:29:48.660
fight of the year. Our fight of the year of the

00:29:48.660 --> 00:29:53.859
week. We'll talk about it right now. I had, let's

00:29:53.859 --> 00:29:58.160
see here. Fight of the year. B -Bowl better be

00:29:58.160 --> 00:30:03.099
if. Isak Cruz versus Angel Fierro. Really? You

00:30:03.099 --> 00:30:07.779
had Eubank Ben. Taraji versus Akui. That's a

00:30:07.779 --> 00:30:10.579
good show. You know, Paul, that's a good show.

00:30:14.930 --> 00:30:18.390
Saul, you had Inouye Cardenas and Benavidez Morel.

00:30:19.529 --> 00:30:22.789
Yeah, that. And recently, I also wanted to put

00:30:22.789 --> 00:30:27.970
in there Boyo Matias. That's a good one. That

00:30:27.970 --> 00:30:29.710
was a good one. That's a good show. And then

00:30:29.710 --> 00:30:32.970
Morel Katiev on the same card. That's crazy,

00:30:33.029 --> 00:30:35.609
but those two had to be added. Josh, you got

00:30:35.609 --> 00:30:41.769
Cruz Fierro as well and Smith Boazzi. I think

00:30:41.769 --> 00:30:45.390
this was better than all of those. Yeah. The

00:30:45.390 --> 00:30:47.829
thing is, if it went two rounds, I think I just

00:30:47.829 --> 00:30:49.529
would have give it to it. I would give it to

00:30:49.529 --> 00:30:52.710
it. Because, like, seeing the championship rounds

00:30:52.710 --> 00:30:55.369
of that fight would have been fire. Yeah, there's

00:30:55.369 --> 00:30:56.690
something different about, like, having championship

00:30:56.690 --> 00:30:59.529
rounds. You know? That's why I'm like, I know,

00:30:59.630 --> 00:31:02.210
it is one of my top fights of the year. That's

00:31:02.210 --> 00:31:04.569
why, it's like on the same level as Katya Morel.

00:31:04.990 --> 00:31:07.190
Because, again, they're both 10 rounds. If they

00:31:07.190 --> 00:31:09.309
went two more rounds, both of them, you know.

00:31:09.789 --> 00:31:11.289
Who knows what could happen. Different ending,

00:31:11.430 --> 00:31:15.789
perhaps. Yeah. I think we need a rematch on this

00:31:15.789 --> 00:31:18.809
one, though. I would watch that again. Listen,

00:31:18.930 --> 00:31:23.329
man. If Billy ever listened to his damn fucking

00:31:23.329 --> 00:31:26.289
coaches, like, this is, like, the rematch is

00:31:26.289 --> 00:31:29.009
uninteresting. But also, Lester Martinez... He's

00:31:29.009 --> 00:31:31.809
not going to. He's not going to, and Lester Martinez

00:31:31.809 --> 00:31:35.509
got better throughout the fight at timing in

00:31:35.509 --> 00:31:39.160
Billy and setting traps. Which is very interesting.

00:31:39.599 --> 00:31:42.160
Someone did listen to their coach and it wasn't

00:31:42.160 --> 00:31:47.539
Mbili. Lester's been looking really good on Probox.

00:31:47.759 --> 00:31:51.079
Like, I was excited for this one. Like I said,

00:31:51.140 --> 00:31:52.859
like I said, don't sleep. Like we were talking

00:31:52.859 --> 00:31:55.160
about not sleeping on Lester Martinez last week.

00:31:56.960 --> 00:32:01.880
But, like, the way he improved through the fight,

00:32:01.980 --> 00:32:04.980
because, like, I saw a comment on SP that was

00:32:04.980 --> 00:32:07.660
really funny, calling him, like, the Latin American

00:32:07.660 --> 00:32:11.180
Dave Allen with the fuck -ass Philly shell that

00:32:11.180 --> 00:32:14.960
he uses. Because that Philly shell, that is a

00:32:14.960 --> 00:32:20.799
street beef scrapyard Philly shell. That's not

00:32:20.799 --> 00:32:24.119
good. It's not good. But his offense, the way

00:32:24.119 --> 00:32:26.259
it flourished through the fight is he listened

00:32:26.259 --> 00:32:31.319
to his coach and got more confidence. I like

00:32:31.319 --> 00:32:37.140
it. I like it. Basically, if they pick up where

00:32:37.140 --> 00:32:40.079
they left off, but Martinez has some more gas

00:32:40.079 --> 00:32:43.140
from not wearing all those shots for the prior

00:32:43.140 --> 00:32:46.940
10 rounds, I think Martinez can actually win

00:32:46.940 --> 00:32:50.079
pretty handily. I got a question for y 'all.

00:32:50.180 --> 00:32:52.339
What would you guys rate Lester Martinez's performance

00:32:52.339 --> 00:32:55.920
compared to Mbili? Just rate both their performances

00:32:55.920 --> 00:32:59.119
for this fight. What do you guys think? On a

00:32:59.119 --> 00:33:06.400
scale of 10? Yeah. I would say Mbili 6 or 7.

00:33:07.720 --> 00:33:14.140
Martinez 7 or 8. Mbili gets like a 5 or 6 and

00:33:14.140 --> 00:33:18.000
then Martinez a nice 8. Like, I just... Like,

00:33:18.000 --> 00:33:22.279
it's not, like, the IQ issue, whatever. Fighters

00:33:22.279 --> 00:33:24.599
can have bad IQs, but, like, at least listen

00:33:24.599 --> 00:33:26.960
to the guy screaming in your face day in, day

00:33:26.960 --> 00:33:29.920
out when he tells you, please use your jab before

00:33:29.920 --> 00:33:35.000
you wing hooks at him. Being coachable is a huge

00:33:35.000 --> 00:33:38.039
thing. Like, when he's screaming at you in French,

00:33:38.240 --> 00:33:40.880
your fucking language, because his coach is an

00:33:40.880 --> 00:33:45.640
Anglophone. And he learned French just to scream

00:33:45.640 --> 00:33:48.650
at you. Yeah, like, some of these Canadian coaches,

00:33:48.750 --> 00:33:50.509
like, yeah, they're based in Quebec. They're

00:33:50.509 --> 00:33:53.650
fucking Anglophones. Like, when you see them

00:33:53.650 --> 00:33:56.369
at the amateur events, they're Anglophones. You

00:33:56.369 --> 00:33:58.450
can just tell. And they're screaming at you,

00:33:58.490 --> 00:34:01.829
and, like, please, please, like, you don't even

00:34:01.829 --> 00:34:03.849
have to do the more complicated things, where,

00:34:03.910 --> 00:34:06.630
like, yeah, step to the side, wing, like, no.

00:34:06.809 --> 00:34:09.730
They're telling you, jab your way in, which is,

00:34:09.769 --> 00:34:12.090
like, a basic fundamental of this damn sport.

00:34:14.909 --> 00:34:17.309
Don't smother your work. It's a fundamental of

00:34:17.309 --> 00:34:21.130
this sport. So, like, do it. Just do it. It's

00:34:21.130 --> 00:34:22.949
also because, I mean, Lester's also with BOMAC.

00:34:23.769 --> 00:34:25.789
We all know how we feel about BOMAC, you know?

00:34:28.329 --> 00:34:32.130
BOMAC didn't even fit in the ring. That was between

00:34:32.130 --> 00:34:38.309
rounds. We'll put BOMAC in there with Rick Lazor

00:34:38.309 --> 00:34:42.489
and fucking old school Mike Collinger and Dan

00:34:42.489 --> 00:34:46.539
Raphael. Collapses the ring, bro. We'll take

00:34:46.539 --> 00:34:51.539
him to heart attack, bro. Now that's the fight

00:34:51.539 --> 00:34:55.260
of the century. Who finishes an octuple bypass?

00:34:56.599 --> 00:34:59.719
Butterbean. So I got a question for you guys.

00:34:59.880 --> 00:35:02.079
Because we were talking about this being a 10

00:35:02.079 --> 00:35:06.280
rounder instead of a 12. I thought, and this

00:35:06.280 --> 00:35:11.039
is what I, just me being too a little optimistic,

00:35:11.199 --> 00:35:15.179
I was thinking, It got moved down to a 10 -rounder

00:35:15.179 --> 00:35:17.980
because the interim title is not a real title.

00:35:18.980 --> 00:35:22.840
This doesn't get championship rounds. Oh, that's

00:35:22.840 --> 00:35:29.619
a base take. That's pretty basic. They have 12

00:35:29.619 --> 00:35:32.280
-round fights for bullshit titles all the time.

00:35:32.360 --> 00:35:36.239
That's what I was thinking. As I was formulating

00:35:36.239 --> 00:35:38.639
that thought, I was thinking, what they do 12

00:35:38.639 --> 00:35:42.659
-rounders for garbage all the time. The fucking

00:35:42.659 --> 00:35:45.679
Oriental Pacific was always 12 rounds until people

00:35:45.679 --> 00:35:52.400
started dying. Yeah. I think I had a take at

00:35:52.400 --> 00:35:54.780
one point about how it's just the sparring culture

00:35:54.780 --> 00:35:58.699
more than the fighting culture. Yes. I think

00:35:58.699 --> 00:36:02.280
the JBC doesn't do very good medicals or take

00:36:02.280 --> 00:36:07.159
it serious. But that in conjunction with how

00:36:07.159 --> 00:36:12.519
macho the sparring culture is? Yeah. It's a bad

00:36:12.519 --> 00:36:15.300
combination. It's the recipe. Because the thing

00:36:15.300 --> 00:36:18.239
is that negligent commissions, like the UK's

00:36:18.239 --> 00:36:20.159
commission, doesn't give a fuck about anything

00:36:20.159 --> 00:36:23.619
half the time. But the sparring culture is relaxed

00:36:23.619 --> 00:36:25.840
enough where you don't see the consequences.

00:36:27.739 --> 00:36:33.739
Yeah. And that ends up being my take on the JBC's

00:36:33.739 --> 00:36:39.780
issues. Shall we continue? I want to see one

00:36:39.780 --> 00:36:44.570
more thing. about this fight I think that from

00:36:44.570 --> 00:36:47.110
watching this fight I know when we were on the

00:36:47.110 --> 00:36:50.150
pod last time I talked about how Christian and

00:36:50.150 --> 00:36:55.269
Billy and Les Martinez both fucking hell of a

00:36:55.269 --> 00:36:58.409
fucking hit you know I think this fight kind

00:36:58.409 --> 00:37:01.469
of proved to me that they both also have pretty

00:37:01.469 --> 00:37:05.010
strong chins I was watching I was like damn how

00:37:05.010 --> 00:37:07.110
are these guys how are these guys still standing

00:37:07.110 --> 00:37:11.110
you know part of that is smothering each other's

00:37:11.110 --> 00:37:16.070
work but also like the one the one thing i don't

00:37:16.070 --> 00:37:18.030
give him really much credit for this because

00:37:18.030 --> 00:37:21.210
he smothered a lot of both of their work but

00:37:21.210 --> 00:37:23.110
the thing that less the thing that lester give

00:37:23.110 --> 00:37:28.550
credit to lester's philly show is that he sees

00:37:28.550 --> 00:37:31.389
every shot coming yeah sure he's gonna get clocked

00:37:31.389 --> 00:37:35.610
by it but again most of the shots that like really

00:37:35.610 --> 00:37:38.619
get you and you're gonna see in the main Like,

00:37:38.639 --> 00:37:40.980
the shots that really shook Canelo are the ones

00:37:40.980 --> 00:37:43.019
that, like, he had no idea were even coming.

00:37:43.539 --> 00:37:46.460
It came out from fucking Texas, from Miami. They

00:37:46.460 --> 00:37:48.900
came from nowhere. So the way, like, Lester,

00:37:48.900 --> 00:37:50.840
yeah, Lester's open to getting hit by anything,

00:37:50.980 --> 00:37:55.340
but it means he can see anything. Which is, like,

00:37:55.420 --> 00:37:59.059
that. Relying on your chin is not a good plan.

00:37:59.199 --> 00:38:06.699
Oh, absolutely not. I fucking love it. Lester's

00:38:06.699 --> 00:38:10.539
performance. Was just beautiful, man. That kid's

00:38:10.539 --> 00:38:13.579
special, man. That kid's special. By the end

00:38:13.579 --> 00:38:16.500
of the fight, he was getting hit way less. Like,

00:38:16.500 --> 00:38:18.500
that's the thing. I saw this kid improve throughout

00:38:18.500 --> 00:38:20.960
the fight. And I think that's the thing that

00:38:20.960 --> 00:38:22.500
a lot of people are going to miss. A lot of people

00:38:22.500 --> 00:38:24.500
are going to harp on, oh, Mbili won too many

00:38:24.500 --> 00:38:27.320
of the early rounds and he shaded this one. So

00:38:27.320 --> 00:38:29.719
Mbili can totally just come back and win it.

00:38:29.800 --> 00:38:32.980
But, like, Lester improved so much throughout

00:38:32.980 --> 00:38:36.059
the fight that I think giving him a fresh gas

00:38:36.059 --> 00:38:39.099
tank and the... rather obvious assumption that

00:38:39.099 --> 00:38:40.900
Mbili is just not going to make any tactical

00:38:40.900 --> 00:38:44.420
improvements. Like, it's there. It's there to

00:38:44.420 --> 00:38:47.539
be won. Well, I'll tell you this. The reason

00:38:47.539 --> 00:38:49.519
why I'm saying that Lester's special is exactly

00:38:49.519 --> 00:38:52.179
why, for the reason you said, is that he is able

00:38:52.179 --> 00:38:55.960
to adjust. The ability to adjust is so... It's

00:38:55.960 --> 00:38:58.820
not talked about enough with fighters, you know?

00:38:59.719 --> 00:39:02.260
The fact that Lester Martinez was able to adjust

00:39:02.260 --> 00:39:06.139
and, you know... Oh, absolutely. It's shit out

00:39:06.139 --> 00:39:09.360
of Mbili. And you know what? Yes, his trainer

00:39:09.360 --> 00:39:12.519
is Bomax, but as we just saw, it's coachability.

00:39:12.579 --> 00:39:15.360
As Shanada just said, it's coachability that

00:39:15.360 --> 00:39:17.800
makes all the difference here. Because it's not

00:39:17.800 --> 00:39:21.800
like... That's why Pacquiao was great. He listened

00:39:21.800 --> 00:39:24.639
to every fucking word that he was told. Oh, absolutely.

00:39:29.159 --> 00:39:32.400
I don't know. It's like, that is my opinion.

00:39:32.639 --> 00:39:37.909
Truly my opinion. But we are... So far in the

00:39:37.909 --> 00:39:40.110
weeds, we need to get back. I was about to say,

00:39:40.190 --> 00:39:43.130
that opinion is going to end up quite a bit on

00:39:43.130 --> 00:39:49.590
Patreon. This is why we don't pair me and Josh.

00:39:50.809 --> 00:39:54.590
It's good. It's good content. All right, let's

00:39:54.590 --> 00:39:59.510
move up. Callum Walsh for Fernando Vargas. UD

00:39:59.510 --> 00:40:03.869
for Walsh in what was a very unexciting co -main

00:40:03.869 --> 00:40:07.400
event. This was ass. This was the perfect time

00:40:07.400 --> 00:40:11.599
to go get a new refresher drink, get some food,

00:40:11.820 --> 00:40:16.139
go to the bathroom. Whatever the case was, this

00:40:16.139 --> 00:40:21.199
was the time to do it. This fight was ass. I

00:40:21.199 --> 00:40:27.099
went to go make myself food and eat, and I fucking

00:40:27.099 --> 00:40:29.300
went back. I was like, who's winning? This fight

00:40:29.300 --> 00:40:31.820
was so bad, I'm not going to talk about it. I'm

00:40:31.820 --> 00:40:35.119
going to talk about how Max Kellerman needs to

00:40:35.119 --> 00:40:40.199
be, like, taken out back like old Yeller. I fucking

00:40:40.199 --> 00:40:42.619
hate Max Kellerman. Like, this is brutal. This

00:40:42.619 --> 00:40:45.219
card was terrible. Yeah, it's hard to watch because,

00:40:45.280 --> 00:40:47.760
I mean, we wanted him back and he became a Saudi

00:40:47.760 --> 00:40:51.699
player, you know? Nobody wanted him back. He's

00:40:51.699 --> 00:40:56.219
always been shit. What? What are you talking

00:40:56.219 --> 00:41:00.039
about? See, the thing is, I used to like Max

00:41:00.039 --> 00:41:04.659
Kellerman. The metaphor I'd use to describe him,

00:41:04.679 --> 00:41:07.159
he's like a bell. It depends on who's next to

00:41:07.159 --> 00:41:09.940
him, who's ringing him, what comes out as good

00:41:09.940 --> 00:41:13.380
or garbage noise. So if he's paired with good

00:41:13.380 --> 00:41:17.039
commentators in the past on Showtime or HBO,

00:41:17.320 --> 00:41:20.730
I never liked him. if he was like when he when

00:41:20.730 --> 00:41:23.170
he was on showbox with like adner mares it's

00:41:23.170 --> 00:41:26.349
terrible that's the thing like it really depends

00:41:26.349 --> 00:41:29.289
on who he's paired with but nowadays like in

00:41:29.289 --> 00:41:32.210
the post like in the tur in this era where like

00:41:32.210 --> 00:41:36.869
you can tell he basically just needs a job and

00:41:36.869 --> 00:41:39.630
will do whatever it takes to keep it and he's

00:41:39.630 --> 00:41:41.929
just gonna keep his mouth out of like around

00:41:41.929 --> 00:41:45.869
whoever pays him dick it's not like you know

00:41:46.440 --> 00:41:49.019
I think, again, I posted in the Hall of Fame

00:41:49.019 --> 00:41:52.800
because it took me out with how abrupt it was.

00:41:54.679 --> 00:41:59.699
Someone on the SP Discord said, Butler killed

00:41:59.699 --> 00:42:03.480
the wrong brother. Oh, my God. With how bad he

00:42:03.480 --> 00:42:12.909
was. did you read it it was so it took it was

00:42:12.909 --> 00:42:15.889
out of my field that i remember seeing that and

00:42:15.889 --> 00:42:23.329
i thought oh my god that is oh my god for all

00:42:23.329 --> 00:42:25.590
for all intents and purposes i do not condone

00:42:25.590 --> 00:42:28.170
that i don't condone the comment but it's like

00:42:28.170 --> 00:42:30.690
that's the that's the level of frustration that

00:42:30.690 --> 00:42:34.400
i'm only displaying the comment To illustrate

00:42:34.400 --> 00:42:38.400
the frustration that having commentary this bad

00:42:38.400 --> 00:42:42.920
on a fight this bad on an event this big really

00:42:42.920 --> 00:42:46.860
does to, like, the whole presentation. One thing

00:42:46.860 --> 00:42:49.159
I will say about the commentary itself is just,

00:42:49.219 --> 00:42:51.800
it was even Max Kellerman, dude. It was, like,

00:42:51.860 --> 00:42:54.179
John Anik does not fucking belong in this. Yeah.

00:42:54.420 --> 00:42:57.019
Like, he belongs in UFC. Andre Ward is trying.

00:42:57.400 --> 00:42:59.340
It's like, it's like, it's like, you know what

00:42:59.340 --> 00:43:02.260
Johnny Anik reminded me of? Is the fucking people

00:43:02.260 --> 00:43:05.550
in the chat. okay oh with it laying a job like

00:43:05.550 --> 00:43:10.309
bro it's not that serious has there been any

00:43:10.309 --> 00:43:14.690
reasonable has there been any reasonable explanation

00:43:14.690 --> 00:43:18.329
as to why like the ufc's top brass was so involved

00:43:18.329 --> 00:43:20.949
with this like whole card like why is anarchy

00:43:20.949 --> 00:43:25.289
turkey on tab because turkey likes him like is

00:43:25.289 --> 00:43:28.710
that literally it it's part of it they're trying

00:43:28.710 --> 00:43:32.820
to take over the sport and like basically I like,

00:43:32.820 --> 00:43:36.559
I see, I see the, not the vision in that I support

00:43:36.559 --> 00:43:39.500
it, but I see the vision of like, you make it

00:43:39.500 --> 00:43:42.340
a real, Oh, you can go to TKO or Riaj season.

00:43:42.460 --> 00:43:44.340
And it's like the illusion of choice, basically

00:43:44.340 --> 00:43:46.280
the way they're trying to take over the sport

00:43:46.280 --> 00:43:50.719
because like, it's the same shit. It's the same

00:43:50.719 --> 00:43:53.239
shit, but all you and all by, by introducing

00:43:53.239 --> 00:43:56.579
a new promoter that you bankroll, you just, the

00:43:56.579 --> 00:43:58.659
whole point is that you take updates. you take

00:43:58.659 --> 00:44:00.820
updates and you really just try and take away

00:44:00.820 --> 00:44:03.699
the market from other promoters and take out

00:44:03.699 --> 00:44:06.019
fighters too sometimes yeah like that's the whole

00:44:06.019 --> 00:44:10.179
thing because like if a guy like uh like like

00:44:10.179 --> 00:44:12.739
oh he can't really get dates with top rank but

00:44:12.739 --> 00:44:14.679
like he doesn't he doesn't want to jump ship

00:44:14.679 --> 00:44:17.639
to uh tko and like oh riyadh season is there

00:44:17.639 --> 00:44:21.860
or vice versa like it's very much talking about

00:44:21.860 --> 00:44:25.539
another tv deal Like, there's people in this

00:44:25.539 --> 00:44:29.539
world who still sign with Don King in 2025. Which

00:44:29.539 --> 00:44:34.159
is fucking crazy. It's not unreasonable to think

00:44:34.159 --> 00:44:38.500
that people will fall for this. Yeah. Because,

00:44:38.519 --> 00:44:40.619
again, there are people who sign with Don King

00:44:40.619 --> 00:44:43.900
in the year of our Lord 2025 so he can keep putting

00:44:43.900 --> 00:44:48.960
on shows in Baltimore rec halls. One thing I

00:44:48.960 --> 00:44:50.920
will say about fucking the whole production itself

00:44:50.920 --> 00:44:53.789
is ass. Besides the arena, the arena looked nice,

00:44:53.889 --> 00:44:58.610
but just the commentary, the fucking camera work.

00:44:59.010 --> 00:45:01.809
Sometimes even the camera quality. I was like,

00:45:01.889 --> 00:45:03.510
damn, is this how it's really going to be? They

00:45:03.510 --> 00:45:04.929
called it the fight of the century. This is how

00:45:04.929 --> 00:45:07.030
they're treating it. It feels like it was thrown

00:45:07.030 --> 00:45:10.329
together in a couple of days. I've seen better

00:45:10.329 --> 00:45:12.969
shit on Probox. Way better shit on Probox. This

00:45:12.969 --> 00:45:16.090
is sort of the Canelo classic. I don't know if

00:45:16.090 --> 00:45:17.949
there's been a single card of his that's felt.

00:45:18.440 --> 00:45:21.199
big outside of him, right? Like it almost feels

00:45:21.199 --> 00:45:23.579
like the UFC equivalent of watching a McGregor

00:45:23.579 --> 00:45:25.619
card where everything else is kind of just like,

00:45:25.699 --> 00:45:32.000
meh. Canelo Golovkin 2 was a fantastic card.

00:45:33.320 --> 00:45:36.400
That it was. That was a good card. But it's also

00:45:36.400 --> 00:45:39.820
been like eight years. Generally speaking, his

00:45:39.820 --> 00:45:42.780
cards are like, you're better off going to sleep.

00:45:43.159 --> 00:45:45.420
Right? Like, genuinely, you could watch paint

00:45:45.420 --> 00:45:47.380
dry, and that would be more entertaining than

00:45:47.380 --> 00:45:49.179
whatever the hell is happening on the undercard.

00:45:49.860 --> 00:45:51.900
Well, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. This

00:45:51.900 --> 00:45:54.199
card had some good fights. This card did have

00:45:54.199 --> 00:45:56.420
some good fights. The Billy fight was good. I'm

00:45:56.420 --> 00:45:59.599
not trying to tell so much shit, but generally,

00:45:59.780 --> 00:46:02.730
the co -mains are... You know, they're not worth

00:46:02.730 --> 00:46:04.869
writing home about, right? No one can outshine

00:46:04.869 --> 00:46:07.190
Canelo, guys, right? We got to make sure he's

00:46:07.190 --> 00:46:10.489
the main focus. That's true, actually. I will

00:46:10.489 --> 00:46:12.570
say. Billy and Martinez got to move down the

00:46:12.570 --> 00:46:14.429
bill to be completely honest. Yeah, exactly.

00:46:16.030 --> 00:46:18.030
Also, because they're trying to promote the UFC

00:46:18.030 --> 00:46:21.329
guy. That's their fucking point, you know? That's

00:46:21.329 --> 00:46:26.630
the whole thing. No, I do think they moved Billy

00:46:26.630 --> 00:46:29.110
down because it would make the main look bad.

00:46:29.730 --> 00:46:32.949
To be compared directly afterwards. And honestly,

00:46:33.030 --> 00:46:37.630
I think it would have been better. Yeah, exactly.

00:46:37.929 --> 00:46:40.469
Let's prop him up. I think, honestly, it would

00:46:40.469 --> 00:46:42.329
have made the whole event feel better if they

00:46:42.329 --> 00:46:44.969
put it as a co -main. In hindsight, it's like,

00:46:45.050 --> 00:46:46.889
damn. I'm going to get into it right now, but

00:46:46.889 --> 00:46:49.409
it was like, those two fights were good as fuck,

00:46:49.449 --> 00:46:54.750
dude. Good as fuck. Well, is that enough for

00:46:54.750 --> 00:46:57.510
Callum Walsh and Fernando Vargas? Not a whole

00:46:57.510 --> 00:47:00.909
lot. Callum Walsh. The fight was... Callum Walsh,

00:47:00.989 --> 00:47:04.809
retire now, please. What's the statement? Two

00:47:04.809 --> 00:47:08.429
bums? Two bums. Two bums. The new IBF champion?

00:47:08.769 --> 00:47:17.630
No W. Two bums. Two bums. All right. Now, the

00:47:17.630 --> 00:47:23.010
reason that we're here. Terrence Crawford beats

00:47:23.010 --> 00:47:32.349
Saul Canelo Alvarez. In 12. Let me start by preparing

00:47:32.349 --> 00:47:38.949
my healthy serving of crow with a lot of humble

00:47:38.949 --> 00:47:45.710
pie on the side because I picked Canelo. It was

00:47:45.710 --> 00:47:48.429
a coin flip, but I still went with it. I stand

00:47:48.429 --> 00:47:55.090
by what I went with. Crawford pitched the perfect

00:47:55.090 --> 00:48:00.900
game. Canelo was... We were talking about, before

00:48:00.900 --> 00:48:03.880
we started, talking about Canelo being good on

00:48:03.880 --> 00:48:09.780
the inside. Who was that that was... Yeah. That

00:48:09.780 --> 00:48:12.719
was me. I thought Canelo was winning the exchanges

00:48:12.719 --> 00:48:15.960
on the inside, but his feet are so fucking retarded.

00:48:16.239 --> 00:48:20.340
Canelo can't catch anyone anymore. No, and it's

00:48:20.340 --> 00:48:24.300
like his... It's not even... It's just the cutting

00:48:24.300 --> 00:48:28.190
off the ring. too that just like even if his

00:48:28.190 --> 00:48:30.389
feet weren't there it's just the fact that like

00:48:30.389 --> 00:48:33.289
he just doesn't I don't know if it's the attention

00:48:33.289 --> 00:48:37.289
span or like the wear and tear but like ADHD

00:48:37.289 --> 00:48:40.110
in the middle of the ring like I'm fucking serious

00:48:40.110 --> 00:48:43.789
like like like I'm serious like he just cannot

00:48:43.789 --> 00:48:48.289
get the like the ring cutting going and it's

00:48:48.289 --> 00:48:51.269
that's Like, it's probably the most frustrating

00:48:51.269 --> 00:48:53.369
part, because you know what? You cut off the

00:48:53.369 --> 00:48:55.449
ring, you get to him, Crawford outmans you there,

00:48:55.570 --> 00:48:59.130
whatever. But, like, if you let Crawford stay

00:48:59.130 --> 00:49:03.090
in second gear for 80 % of the fight, and just,

00:49:03.190 --> 00:49:09.590
like, hate you? It's not... It's on you. I think

00:49:09.590 --> 00:49:12.789
one of the issues with Canelo is he, if you look

00:49:12.789 --> 00:49:15.070
at, you know... 10 000 foot view of his career

00:49:15.070 --> 00:49:17.369
the fighters that have given us him the most

00:49:17.369 --> 00:49:19.389
trouble are the ones that are able to fight in

00:49:19.389 --> 00:49:21.889
both directions right the ones that are constantly

00:49:21.889 --> 00:49:25.150
switching up like when he doesn't have like one

00:49:25.150 --> 00:49:28.630
area where he's dominant he really really struggles

00:49:28.630 --> 00:49:30.769
and you could see him getting progressively more

00:49:30.769 --> 00:49:33.030
frustrated over the course of the fight he wasn't

00:49:33.030 --> 00:49:36.289
even getting like like distressed he was just

00:49:36.289 --> 00:49:38.969
like pissed like why the can't i catch this guy

00:49:38.969 --> 00:49:43.199
and it was because Crawford was very, very intelligently

00:49:43.199 --> 00:49:45.739
mixing what range he was going to fight. He's

00:49:45.739 --> 00:49:48.639
like, I'll fight in the pocket, counter -punching

00:49:48.639 --> 00:49:50.900
at times, and then as soon as it gets a little

00:49:50.900 --> 00:49:54.260
too sketchy, I'm out. I'm back on my bike. I'm

00:49:54.260 --> 00:49:56.320
boxing you from long range. And he could not

00:49:56.320 --> 00:49:58.780
cope with that, that style change mid -fight.

00:49:59.460 --> 00:50:01.380
He kept telling me to reset the whole fight.

00:50:01.679 --> 00:50:03.539
He would start kind of getting into a groove,

00:50:03.699 --> 00:50:06.539
and boom, Crawford moves. There were times that

00:50:06.539 --> 00:50:09.139
Crawford would get in the corner, move. Kano

00:50:09.139 --> 00:50:11.699
would start trying to load up a punch, and Crawford

00:50:11.699 --> 00:50:12.980
would already be on the other side of the ring.

00:50:13.159 --> 00:50:15.219
He would be inching towards him, and then he's

00:50:15.219 --> 00:50:18.880
already moving laterally out of position. It's

00:50:18.880 --> 00:50:21.719
not like a skull where he keeps backpedaling

00:50:21.719 --> 00:50:24.860
out of it. Genuinely, the lateral movement and

00:50:24.860 --> 00:50:28.780
ring craft is just... Holy shit. I don't want

00:50:28.780 --> 00:50:30.800
to hear anybody say Crawford was running. That

00:50:30.800 --> 00:50:34.639
was not running at all. That's the comparison

00:50:34.639 --> 00:50:38.260
I'm saying. In my personal opinion, I think that

00:50:38.260 --> 00:50:40.340
this is probably the best performance against

00:50:40.340 --> 00:50:43.159
Canelo anybody's ever had. Better than Bivol.

00:50:43.420 --> 00:50:46.460
Even better than Mayweather, in my opinion. I

00:50:46.460 --> 00:50:49.159
mean, this was a masterclass. I don't know about

00:50:49.159 --> 00:50:55.619
that. Canelo didn't even land on Mayweather.

00:50:55.940 --> 00:50:57.860
Look, look, look. Well, hold up. Mayweather,

00:50:57.940 --> 00:51:00.780
look at the times it happened, okay? Mayweather,

00:51:00.860 --> 00:51:04.460
it was when it was early in his career. If you're

00:51:04.460 --> 00:51:06.320
looking at it that way, Canelo's over the hill

00:51:06.320 --> 00:51:09.800
right now, too. Well, it depends. It's half glass

00:51:09.800 --> 00:51:11.519
full, half glass empty. I think he's the most

00:51:11.519 --> 00:51:13.900
seasoned he's been in his whole career. Season

00:51:13.900 --> 00:51:15.559
doesn't matter if your legs don't get going.

00:51:15.820 --> 00:51:18.260
Horrible. Well, the thing is that, let me tell

00:51:18.260 --> 00:51:19.920
you this. Wait, wait, wait, hold on. Like, B

00:51:19.920 --> 00:51:22.440
-Hop against Joe Smith Jr., that was the most

00:51:22.440 --> 00:51:25.559
seasoned Bernard Hopkins ever. He was also 52

00:51:25.559 --> 00:51:30.500
and had no legs left. I will say this, too. It's

00:51:30.500 --> 00:51:33.530
not like Canelo didn't train. And it's also like

00:51:33.530 --> 00:51:36.530
Canelo did not try to fight. Okay. He had a game

00:51:36.530 --> 00:51:38.630
plan. I mean, we all saw he was trying to go

00:51:38.630 --> 00:51:41.210
for the body first. You know, he tried doing

00:51:41.210 --> 00:51:43.389
what he does with all the big fighters. Goes

00:51:43.389 --> 00:51:46.429
to the body, fucking jab, jab over him, right?

00:51:46.550 --> 00:51:50.889
You know, it didn't work. He had a plan and he

00:51:50.889 --> 00:51:53.130
looked, he probably looked, in my opinion, he

00:51:53.130 --> 00:51:56.250
looked the slimmest he's been in years. So it's

00:51:56.250 --> 00:51:59.469
not like he didn't train. He put in the effort

00:51:59.469 --> 00:52:06.000
to win. And it just wasn't enough. And I don't

00:52:06.000 --> 00:52:08.480
think we should just look at this as a Canelo

00:52:08.480 --> 00:52:11.300
fail, because in order for Crawford to win this

00:52:11.300 --> 00:52:14.159
fight, he had to bring an all time performance.

00:52:14.239 --> 00:52:16.639
And that's what he brought. And, you know, over

00:52:16.639 --> 00:52:19.039
on the casuals, when we were talking about this

00:52:19.039 --> 00:52:22.300
fight, I talked about the one scenario I could

00:52:22.300 --> 00:52:26.340
see Crawford winning. And it was what we sort

00:52:26.340 --> 00:52:28.300
of saw here. It was similar to the Spence fight

00:52:28.300 --> 00:52:31.730
where. canelo wants to come forward crawford

00:52:31.730 --> 00:52:33.969
wants accepts that and wants to punch second

00:52:33.969 --> 00:52:36.949
and that's basically how this fight came out

00:52:36.949 --> 00:52:39.590
in those exchanges crawford was just better every

00:52:39.590 --> 00:52:42.809
single time like and i mean especially like i

00:52:42.809 --> 00:52:44.150
think it was round eight or nine they got into

00:52:44.150 --> 00:52:47.949
some seriously like dangerous exchanges and in

00:52:47.949 --> 00:52:50.050
the last couple fights granted against inferior

00:52:50.050 --> 00:52:53.030
competition canelo was like you know knocking

00:52:53.030 --> 00:52:56.489
munguia or belonger out or not out, but he completely

00:52:56.489 --> 00:53:01.150
shut them down with one dynamic punch. And in

00:53:01.150 --> 00:53:04.250
this fight, he wasn't able to find that punch

00:53:04.250 --> 00:53:07.449
on Crawford because Crawford, in those exchanges,

00:53:07.630 --> 00:53:09.949
was able to keep his defense and his offense

00:53:09.949 --> 00:53:12.909
at the same level. He never let himself get out

00:53:12.909 --> 00:53:15.369
of position, and whatever Canelo hit him with,

00:53:15.449 --> 00:53:17.489
he hit him back like three or four times more.

00:53:18.839 --> 00:53:22.019
Yeah, I mean, I think that, like, I think what

00:53:22.019 --> 00:53:24.380
made me realize that Crawford won the fight was

00:53:24.380 --> 00:53:27.059
when they would get into the pocket and Crawford

00:53:27.059 --> 00:53:28.500
would beat the shit out of him in the pocket

00:53:28.500 --> 00:53:30.340
and just move out the way. I was like, dude,

00:53:30.400 --> 00:53:32.179
there's no way he's winning the fight. Because

00:53:32.179 --> 00:53:34.619
if Canelo can't even win in the pocket and get

00:53:34.619 --> 00:53:37.880
a shot in, how the fuck can you reach him any

00:53:37.880 --> 00:53:40.539
time in the fight, you know? He beat him at his

00:53:40.539 --> 00:53:42.679
own game. And there was times, I believe, I think

00:53:42.679 --> 00:53:44.880
it was, like, the 10th round, where it looked

00:53:44.880 --> 00:53:46.800
like vintage Canelo was coming out, like, vintage,

00:53:46.900 --> 00:53:49.000
like, when he was, like, triple G. type canelo

00:53:49.000 --> 00:53:51.460
where he was just throwing throwing throwing

00:53:51.460 --> 00:53:53.920
just you know trying to land a punch and oh my

00:53:53.920 --> 00:53:58.000
god he couldn't get in you know crawford it was

00:53:58.000 --> 00:54:01.239
it was a master class you know it was beautiful

00:54:01.239 --> 00:54:04.719
crawford took the punches better than i expected

00:54:04.719 --> 00:54:08.500
as well i thought canelo was gonna hurt him Like,

00:54:08.500 --> 00:54:10.739
really hurt him. And Crawford was hurt a couple

00:54:10.739 --> 00:54:13.239
times. I don't care what people say. He was hurt

00:54:13.239 --> 00:54:17.679
a couple times. Yeah. He has his dog. He has

00:54:17.679 --> 00:54:21.780
that dog in him. Yeah. I was impressed with Crawford's

00:54:21.780 --> 00:54:24.579
ability to take a punch. I didn't think he would

00:54:24.579 --> 00:54:27.599
handle it that well, and that's why I was thinking

00:54:27.599 --> 00:54:32.420
Canelo would win. I lean towards that same mentality.

00:54:32.860 --> 00:54:37.469
A very, very good... smaller guy is going to

00:54:37.469 --> 00:54:42.090
lose to the very good bigger guy. That's kind

00:54:42.090 --> 00:54:44.329
of what I went with. Unfortunately, Canelo's

00:54:44.329 --> 00:54:46.369
just not very good anymore. Yeah, he's not very

00:54:46.369 --> 00:54:49.750
good. He was never good, actually. He was my

00:54:49.750 --> 00:54:58.309
hater. Two bums. Two bums. Two bums. I think

00:54:58.309 --> 00:55:01.650
there are parallels here, though, between you

00:55:01.650 --> 00:55:04.070
know Crawford and Usyk right both guys jumping

00:55:04.070 --> 00:55:06.369
up like an absurd amount of weight from you know

00:55:06.369 --> 00:55:09.769
where they've been standing and like yet they're

00:55:09.769 --> 00:55:13.449
able to overcome that sort of odds just like

00:55:13.449 --> 00:55:16.889
purely from boxing IQ yeah they just they succeed

00:55:16.889 --> 00:55:19.550
in different ways though like Crawford very much

00:55:19.550 --> 00:55:24.570
it's uh it's a very lateral like he definitely

00:55:24.570 --> 00:55:29.090
uses a ring of generalship To overcome whatever

00:55:29.090 --> 00:55:32.250
shortcomings the size may give him. Whereas Usyk

00:55:32.250 --> 00:55:36.730
flat out. His offensive craft. And like forward

00:55:36.730 --> 00:55:41.210
footwork. Were his highlight traits. In the weight

00:55:41.210 --> 00:55:44.190
jumps. Right. Like stylistically they couldn't

00:55:44.190 --> 00:55:46.409
be more different. But I think the core of it

00:55:46.409 --> 00:55:50.130
is. Like. They are just masters of their craft.

00:55:50.309 --> 00:55:53.110
They know. If you put the right kind of style.

00:55:53.210 --> 00:55:56.730
Especially like I think. In hindsight. the kind

00:55:56.730 --> 00:55:58.730
of style that canelo brought out that's exactly

00:55:58.730 --> 00:56:01.250
what crawford wants he wants someone that will

00:56:01.250 --> 00:56:04.409
come to him don't make me chase you down like

00:56:04.409 --> 00:56:07.510
you know madrimov did or you know madrimov the

00:56:07.510 --> 00:56:11.050
way he i think we were there i think i know we

00:56:11.050 --> 00:56:13.010
were there live for that fight uh me and leo

00:56:13.010 --> 00:56:16.050
um and that fight was cut which is frustrating

00:56:16.050 --> 00:56:19.550
because madrimov would not stay still he wouldn't

00:56:19.550 --> 00:56:21.769
really press forward and range or ever commit

00:56:21.769 --> 00:56:26.239
but moving from the opening bell canelo is Loading

00:56:26.239 --> 00:56:28.639
up power shots immediately. He's wading into

00:56:28.639 --> 00:56:32.519
Crawford's territory. And once he's there. There's

00:56:32.519 --> 00:56:36.000
no one better than him. Clearly. There's no one

00:56:36.000 --> 00:56:38.019
that can touch him. When you step into that world.

00:56:38.719 --> 00:56:44.559
I will say. This is where I. I fully agree. In

00:56:44.559 --> 00:56:47.059
the realm of possibility. At those lower weight

00:56:47.059 --> 00:56:50.679
classes. Again. I say that's where U6 is the

00:56:50.679 --> 00:56:52.920
strongest. In those deep waters. But I guess.

00:56:53.559 --> 00:56:57.340
Part of it is how much dog, not to interrupt,

00:56:57.500 --> 00:57:00.340
but like the most standout trait isn't even a

00:57:00.340 --> 00:57:04.320
skill one from Crawford and Usyk, like tangentially.

00:57:04.659 --> 00:57:08.400
They have this like intangible freak athleticism

00:57:08.400 --> 00:57:12.719
and even more intangible determination that really

00:57:12.719 --> 00:57:16.260
like they assert their will, even if they're

00:57:16.260 --> 00:57:22.119
not necessarily in a good spot. Yeah, I could

00:57:22.119 --> 00:57:24.159
totally see that, because every time that Crawford

00:57:24.159 --> 00:57:27.619
got bothered, he made it a point to pay Canelo

00:57:27.619 --> 00:57:29.599
back. Even if he didn't get him back as good,

00:57:29.760 --> 00:57:32.840
the next round he poured it on. Yeah, and same

00:57:32.840 --> 00:57:35.780
with Usyk. You see his highlight moments at heavyweight

00:57:35.780 --> 00:57:40.139
are always when this huge Goliath rushes him,

00:57:40.219 --> 00:57:43.519
gives him some adversity, and he takes a breath,

00:57:43.639 --> 00:57:47.659
sits down, comes back, and just pillared a post.

00:57:49.260 --> 00:57:52.829
And it's like, Like, it's only happened with

00:57:52.829 --> 00:57:54.909
AJ and Fury because those have been, like, they're

00:57:54.909 --> 00:57:56.469
not these most skilled opponents, but they're

00:57:56.469 --> 00:57:59.349
definitely his hardest opponents. And even with

00:57:59.349 --> 00:58:02.250
Bratis and Michael Hunter, you saw it there,

00:58:02.309 --> 00:58:04.489
too, where, like, they give him some adversity,

00:58:04.690 --> 00:58:09.670
and instead of, like, backing up at it, he just

00:58:09.670 --> 00:58:12.510
has that dog to be able to, and that's something

00:58:12.510 --> 00:58:17.210
that, like, I... I appreciate a lot from Crawford

00:58:17.210 --> 00:58:19.710
in that fight because very easily he could have

00:58:19.710 --> 00:58:22.409
just backed up, moved laterally, and watched

00:58:22.409 --> 00:58:27.650
Canelo. No, just not even because Charlo only

00:58:27.650 --> 00:58:30.329
went backwards. Crawford could have made a sort

00:58:30.329 --> 00:58:34.210
of backward lateral move and kept Canelo floundering.

00:58:34.550 --> 00:58:37.590
But no, when faced with adversity, he showed

00:58:37.590 --> 00:58:43.730
that intangible. He's always had it, but here

00:58:43.730 --> 00:58:47.630
he can actually, again, in a truly necessary

00:58:47.630 --> 00:58:53.309
great moment, he really gets to show those intangibles.

00:58:54.550 --> 00:58:57.289
Crawford proved that he was a great fighter and

00:58:57.289 --> 00:59:01.150
that Canelo was just a very good fighter. It's

00:59:01.150 --> 00:59:03.349
crazy to me because I was just thinking over

00:59:03.349 --> 00:59:06.070
yesterday, it's like Canelo's whole career has

00:59:06.070 --> 00:59:08.070
been building up towards losing to Crawford.

00:59:08.929 --> 00:59:11.849
This is Crawford's legacy, you know? He'd be

00:59:11.849 --> 00:59:14.329
killed. Who fought Mayweather? Who fought Bevo?

00:59:14.449 --> 00:59:17.190
Who fought all these guys? I think it's hyperbolic.

00:59:17.670 --> 00:59:21.590
I think it's hyperbolic to say Crawford is top

00:59:21.590 --> 00:59:28.650
10, top 15, all -time greatest. Because his legacy

00:59:28.650 --> 00:59:32.429
is going to boil. As much as the eye test can

00:59:32.429 --> 00:59:38.510
carry, he just needed more fights against truly

00:59:38.510 --> 00:59:44.730
good opposition. to be because yes he has the

00:59:44.730 --> 00:59:47.329
because the thing is that like like excluding

00:59:47.329 --> 00:59:50.829
whatever excuses haters like myself can make

00:59:50.829 --> 00:59:54.590
about spence and canelo where is the good fights

00:59:54.590 --> 00:59:57.730
his entire legacy is predicated on two wins where

00:59:57.730 --> 01:00:00.969
he showed his greatness but for the rest of his

01:00:00.969 --> 01:00:04.610
career it's honestly like the fact that his hardest

01:00:04.610 --> 01:00:09.929
fight is against mean machine is not great because

01:00:09.929 --> 01:00:13.619
like In every great fighters, like all -time

01:00:13.619 --> 01:00:16.340
great fighters, they have good wins. They have

01:00:16.340 --> 01:00:20.179
good wins, they have great wins. Like, you're

01:00:20.179 --> 01:00:22.420
not going to... Yeah, beating Hagler... I was

01:00:22.420 --> 01:00:26.300
going to say mediocre wins against very mediocre

01:00:26.300 --> 01:00:29.860
guys. Beating guys, like Sugar Ray Leonard is

01:00:29.860 --> 01:00:33.539
a comparison point here. Because, yes, he beat

01:00:33.539 --> 01:00:37.679
Hagler, earns Duran. But he also has a lot of

01:00:37.679 --> 01:00:42.719
very good wins at his weight classes that he

01:00:42.719 --> 01:00:49.539
fought at. Let's take a peek. Yeah, Donny Lalonde

01:00:49.539 --> 01:00:52.800
at super middleweight. That was a good win. Not

01:00:52.800 --> 01:00:54.460
an all -time great opponent win, but that's a

01:00:54.460 --> 01:00:56.739
good win. That's a good win. It's similar to

01:00:56.739 --> 01:00:58.940
this fight where he went up and beat a bigger

01:00:58.940 --> 01:01:02.340
guy. Not a great guy, but... Wilfred Benitez

01:01:02.340 --> 01:01:07.179
is an underrated great win. And he dominated

01:01:07.179 --> 01:01:12.059
that man. Yeah. But at the same time, like, yeah,

01:01:12.179 --> 01:01:14.980
you're right. Trigger Leonard's resume is definitely

01:01:14.980 --> 01:01:17.699
one of the greatest of all time. And the thing

01:01:17.699 --> 01:01:19.179
is, he's considered one of the greatest of all

01:01:19.179 --> 01:01:22.679
time. Yeah, but that's the company Crawford is

01:01:22.679 --> 01:01:26.119
entering. But I don't, like, I think he can be,

01:01:26.280 --> 01:01:30.280
like, this is being, like, extremely down on

01:01:30.280 --> 01:01:34.699
it and saying, like, top 30 all time. And that

01:01:34.699 --> 01:01:38.659
will just be on... That's still great. Great,

01:01:38.679 --> 01:01:40.639
great, great. Yeah, 100%. But it's purely...

01:01:40.639 --> 01:01:45.579
It's purely like... Again, I've already made

01:01:45.579 --> 01:01:47.860
my case for why I dislike him outside of the

01:01:47.860 --> 01:01:50.539
ring for that top rank extension. But the thing

01:01:50.539 --> 01:01:54.440
is that in the world where he goes to PVC, he

01:01:54.440 --> 01:01:57.820
has those good wins. He has those good wins.

01:01:57.840 --> 01:02:02.780
He has Thurman and Porter. He moves up to 154.

01:02:03.039 --> 01:02:06.960
He'd probably get Danny Garcia at 54 instead

01:02:06.960 --> 01:02:09.679
of Madrimov, who's somebody that will probably

01:02:09.679 --> 01:02:12.039
not be considered a good win considering how

01:02:12.039 --> 01:02:14.800
strong the division is. He probably hangs with

01:02:14.800 --> 01:02:22.300
Boots at some point. So he has a bunch of...

01:02:22.300 --> 01:02:25.659
I use Ray Leonard as the example because outside

01:02:25.659 --> 01:02:28.679
of the standout wins, he has a pretty thin resume.

01:02:28.780 --> 01:02:33.920
He was a bit of a diva. Ugas too. But even then,

01:02:33.960 --> 01:02:36.679
you're right. Ugas. Pacquiao. He would have had

01:02:36.679 --> 01:02:40.519
Pacquiao. Yeah, he would have had Pacquiao. He

01:02:40.519 --> 01:02:43.079
would have had Barrios. He would have had a better

01:02:43.079 --> 01:02:47.239
Spence. Yeah. And a better Canelo. And the thing

01:02:47.239 --> 01:02:49.559
is that if he's at 168 at the time Canelo becomes

01:02:49.559 --> 01:02:53.059
undisputed, you're not... There's... Benavidez

01:02:53.059 --> 01:02:56.679
and Morella right there. And the thing is...

01:02:56.679 --> 01:02:59.800
That's assuming he... Mikey Garcia. That's assuming

01:02:59.800 --> 01:03:03.239
he fights... More than once a year, though. No,

01:03:03.280 --> 01:03:04.420
but even with the once a year... I think with

01:03:04.420 --> 01:03:06.579
quality opponents like that, I think he would

01:03:06.579 --> 01:03:08.059
fight more than once a year. Yeah, but instead

01:03:08.059 --> 01:03:11.840
of Amir Khan and Kell Brook, even if you swap

01:03:11.840 --> 01:03:15.500
out the top -ranked extension fights with all

01:03:15.500 --> 01:03:19.480
good contenders, now you have a resume that is

01:03:19.480 --> 01:03:22.219
like, you can crack top 20, top 15 conversations.

01:03:23.739 --> 01:03:27.820
Because... I mean, I think him doing this in

01:03:27.820 --> 01:03:31.389
general puts him in the top 15. My opinion probably

01:03:31.389 --> 01:03:34.750
top, yeah, definitely top 50. The reason, the

01:03:34.750 --> 01:03:37.250
thing is that, like, if you look at fighters

01:03:37.250 --> 01:03:41.170
before weight classes became so common, like,

01:03:41.170 --> 01:03:45.130
again, Leonard moving up to 168 to fight Donny

01:03:45.130 --> 01:03:49.369
Lalonde, that was one of the first, like, major

01:03:49.369 --> 01:03:53.730
168 clashes. The weight class was very new. Like,

01:03:53.809 --> 01:03:56.269
the weight jumps, weight jumps were scarier,

01:03:56.329 --> 01:03:59.690
like... there because you had because like again

01:03:59.690 --> 01:04:03.210
leonard on a three -year layoff went from 147

01:04:03.210 --> 01:04:07.769
to 160 which is the same jump to fight hagler

01:04:07.769 --> 01:04:12.409
who is a infinitely like i will at that stage

01:04:12.409 --> 01:04:15.170
in the career yeah hagler was probably on the

01:04:15.170 --> 01:04:18.289
downside but it's not like he was anywhere near

01:04:18.289 --> 01:04:23.869
over the hill this was marvin hagler no i mean

01:04:25.340 --> 01:04:29.199
That itself is legendary. They were great comparisons

01:04:29.199 --> 01:04:32.800
to that fight with this fight. But that's the

01:04:32.800 --> 01:04:37.900
point of it's great. It's absolutely a testament

01:04:37.900 --> 01:04:40.599
to Crawford's greatness. And I say this as a

01:04:40.599 --> 01:04:43.639
complete this guy is detestable outside of the

01:04:43.639 --> 01:04:46.000
ring. I don't think a bigger loser could be an

01:04:46.000 --> 01:04:50.059
all -time great. This guy's going to waste all

01:04:50.059 --> 01:04:52.199
his money with his seven kids and be back fighting

01:04:52.199 --> 01:04:57.579
Jake Paul in 12 years. We pushed it out a few

01:04:57.579 --> 01:05:01.320
years, but we're still back on Jake Paul. I think

01:05:01.320 --> 01:05:02.880
he's done. I think Crawford's done after this.

01:05:03.119 --> 01:05:06.139
I'm surprised if he goes and fights another fight.

01:05:06.300 --> 01:05:08.300
There's nothing better than this, honestly. The

01:05:08.300 --> 01:05:11.400
thing is, you have to consider the way his life...

01:05:11.400 --> 01:05:14.179
Yeah, he lives incredibly frugal, but this guy

01:05:14.179 --> 01:05:18.860
will not stop having kids. He's got enough money

01:05:18.860 --> 01:05:22.119
to feed a million kids. Go to Africa. No, but

01:05:22.119 --> 01:05:28.360
the thing is, Crawford strikes me as somebody

01:05:28.360 --> 01:05:31.480
who, again, he's always believed he's a bigger

01:05:31.480 --> 01:05:37.619
star than he actually has been. I'm not saying

01:05:37.619 --> 01:05:40.280
he's going to gamble the money away like Michael

01:05:40.280 --> 01:05:43.139
Jordan does. I'm saying he's going to make some

01:05:43.139 --> 01:05:45.679
bad business investments with putting his name

01:05:45.679 --> 01:05:48.980
on it. Maybe a chain of restaurants, a car dealership,

01:05:48.980 --> 01:05:54.119
something that doesn't work out. and he'll be

01:05:54.119 --> 01:05:57.579
back which is unfortunate but so i think with

01:05:57.579 --> 01:06:02.179
that threat and the threat of seven kids you're

01:06:02.179 --> 01:06:05.340
going to you're going to run into turkey especially

01:06:05.340 --> 01:06:09.360
because like turkey's going to offer him a fight

01:06:09.360 --> 01:06:13.219
like a check he cannot refuse a check especially

01:06:13.219 --> 01:06:15.480
because crawford can be buttered up real easy

01:06:17.259 --> 01:06:19.340
He's going to butter Crawford up. Be like, listen,

01:06:19.420 --> 01:06:21.800
man, you will be the greatest of all time. I'm

01:06:21.800 --> 01:06:24.860
going to give you like $300 million if you face

01:06:24.860 --> 01:06:27.539
my guy here, David Benavidez or something like

01:06:27.539 --> 01:06:30.860
that. I do want to give someone time that they

01:06:30.860 --> 01:06:34.019
are. Oh, absolutely. For a while. Yeah, he's

01:06:34.019 --> 01:06:35.639
been here for a while. He's going to go to bed

01:06:35.639 --> 01:06:38.320
soon. We got to get his piece in. We've all been

01:06:38.320 --> 01:06:41.079
talking. This guy just barely joined. We got

01:06:41.079 --> 01:06:43.860
to hear what he's got to say. Welcome in, Isaac.

01:06:44.889 --> 01:06:48.349
So I'm the resident Canelo fan. Yeah, go ahead

01:06:48.349 --> 01:06:52.610
and get your booze in. I was cheering for him,

01:06:52.650 --> 01:06:56.949
hoping he would win this fight. I did know that

01:06:56.949 --> 01:07:00.469
he could possibly lose. I even told all of my

01:07:00.469 --> 01:07:01.929
family. I mean, they didn't believe me again,

01:07:02.010 --> 01:07:03.530
even though I told them that in the bubble fight.

01:07:03.929 --> 01:07:06.309
But I told them there's real chances that Canelo

01:07:06.309 --> 01:07:12.559
could lose. And man, dude, bud. Bud is an all

01:07:12.559 --> 01:07:16.059
-time great boxer, not just in this era. He is

01:07:16.059 --> 01:07:20.960
an all -time great boxer. He's a very special

01:07:20.960 --> 01:07:23.920
fighter. I said the same thing whenever we saw

01:07:23.920 --> 01:07:29.980
Usyk do his thing with Fury and Dubois. And I'm

01:07:29.980 --> 01:07:31.960
going to say it again with Bud. This is a very

01:07:31.960 --> 01:07:37.260
special fighter. And this is in our era. We're

01:07:37.260 --> 01:07:41.610
seeing a spectacle, man. It's one of those things

01:07:41.610 --> 01:07:45.670
that's humbling to see. And, I mean, bro, not

01:07:45.670 --> 01:07:49.329
every generation gets a fighter like this. I

01:07:49.329 --> 01:07:54.789
mean, this is amazing to see. Bud is just incredibly

01:07:54.789 --> 01:07:58.090
talented as a boxer. I mean, he was in fighting

01:07:58.090 --> 01:08:01.230
with Canelo multiple times throughout the fight.

01:08:01.869 --> 01:08:03.849
And, you know, landing pretty well. I mean, you

01:08:03.849 --> 01:08:06.650
compare their faces in the post -fight press

01:08:06.650 --> 01:08:10.369
conference. Bud was barely touched. I mean, Canelo

01:08:10.369 --> 01:08:13.869
landed some, but not... There was at no point

01:08:13.869 --> 01:08:15.369
in the fight where I was like, oh, Bud is hurt.

01:08:15.750 --> 01:08:17.810
You know, Canelo landed a few times, but there

01:08:17.810 --> 01:08:21.529
was nothing really substantial. And man, his

01:08:21.529 --> 01:08:23.989
defense was on point. His offense was on point.

01:08:24.369 --> 01:08:28.470
Book work, his feints. I mean, his counters.

01:08:28.630 --> 01:08:33.510
It was like from bottom to top, he was just...

01:08:34.670 --> 01:08:36.649
a near perfect fighter like it's pretty much

01:08:36.649 --> 01:08:39.189
as perfect as you can get and it was just an

01:08:39.189 --> 01:08:42.989
incredible to see man uh i had a feeling you

01:08:42.989 --> 01:08:46.189
know anyone that's saying robbery by the way

01:08:46.189 --> 01:08:50.010
is just completely wrong you can i i didn't even

01:08:50.010 --> 01:08:52.369
say robbery and i hate bud crawford more than

01:08:52.369 --> 01:08:56.510
most people love their mothers there's zero zero

01:08:56.510 --> 01:08:58.829
world where canelo wins that fight like you you

01:08:58.829 --> 01:09:03.859
cannot like canelo is my boy You can barely argue

01:09:03.859 --> 01:09:08.000
for a draw. Barely. There's no world where Canelo

01:09:08.000 --> 01:09:11.899
wins. Bud deserved that win. And, you know, for

01:09:11.899 --> 01:09:14.600
people saying, like, oh, Canelo's, he's more

01:09:14.600 --> 01:09:18.399
washed. I mean, like, yes, but Bud came up in

01:09:18.399 --> 01:09:21.380
weight. So that cancels each other out. I mean,

01:09:21.380 --> 01:09:24.800
it's, give him his flowers. Give Bud his flowers.

01:09:24.920 --> 01:09:27.659
Like, this is an all -time great win, and his

01:09:27.659 --> 01:09:30.840
name just shot up. an all -time great list. I

01:09:30.840 --> 01:09:34.279
mean, three -time Undisputed. He went from, like,

01:09:34.380 --> 01:09:37.539
fourth or fifth in this era, in my estimation,

01:09:37.739 --> 01:09:42.880
to, like, okay, one or two interchangeably. And,

01:09:42.939 --> 01:09:46.380
like, he's in the conversation. Absolutely. He's

01:09:46.380 --> 01:09:49.859
at the table. Yeah. Yeah. It's a special fighter,

01:09:49.960 --> 01:09:54.979
man. It's nice to see, man. This is... I mean,

01:09:55.000 --> 01:09:59.909
I said this with Nathan and Leo after... Usyk

01:09:59.909 --> 01:10:05.670
completely dismantled Dubois. We don't get to

01:10:05.670 --> 01:10:08.729
see these type of fighters often. So whenever

01:10:08.729 --> 01:10:12.090
they do come around, I mean, it's must watch

01:10:12.090 --> 01:10:16.149
and just enjoy. Like, take it in. Because these

01:10:16.149 --> 01:10:19.970
fighters really, it's a rarity. It's a rarity.

01:10:20.130 --> 01:10:23.710
So just, like, really enjoy it. Like, you know,

01:10:23.789 --> 01:10:26.989
he's not going to be, he's going to turn 38 here

01:10:26.989 --> 01:10:30.739
soon. He's not going to be around long. We'll

01:10:30.739 --> 01:10:34.359
see what he does next, but whatever he does coming

01:10:34.359 --> 01:10:36.560
up, I mean, just enjoy the time we have left

01:10:36.560 --> 01:10:39.539
with him because it's going to be a while before

01:10:39.539 --> 01:10:44.899
we see a fighter on his level again. I wouldn't

01:10:44.899 --> 01:10:49.239
be surprised if he retires. I hope he does. I

01:10:49.239 --> 01:10:53.279
was expecting him. I'm stating the case for how

01:10:53.279 --> 01:10:59.359
Al -Ashid gets him back. I mean, it's easy money.

01:11:00.560 --> 01:11:02.659
I mean, I could see him coming back for one more.

01:11:03.020 --> 01:11:07.039
Just because after this win... He wants to revel

01:11:07.039 --> 01:11:10.399
in it. Yeah, his stock has gone up. His next

01:11:10.399 --> 01:11:13.279
paycheck, if he does come back, has got to be

01:11:13.279 --> 01:11:17.859
way more. And it's going to be... Crawford has

01:11:17.859 --> 01:11:22.300
enough of ego, per se, that it'll make it actually...

01:11:22.300 --> 01:11:25.659
It'll validate him and every choice he's made,

01:11:25.779 --> 01:11:30.619
almost. like he can he can be buttered up and

01:11:30.619 --> 01:11:33.420
he can be validated into taking the next like

01:11:33.420 --> 01:11:35.380
doesn't matter who it's with turkey could be

01:11:35.380 --> 01:11:39.739
like all right bro i have cloned mike tyson from

01:11:39.739 --> 01:11:44.479
the year 1986 and you're gonna fight him and

01:11:44.479 --> 01:11:46.479
you know what if the check is big enough and

01:11:46.479 --> 01:11:48.260
the stage is big enough crawford will do one

01:11:48.260 --> 01:11:56.250
more and retire you know he was saying 160. They

01:11:56.250 --> 01:11:58.329
asked him whenever he was at the analyst table.

01:11:59.210 --> 01:12:02.649
He said, you know, potentially 160, because he's

01:12:02.649 --> 01:12:04.949
not going back to 154, but potentially 160 he

01:12:04.949 --> 01:12:07.489
could do. It'd be really disappointing. Four

01:12:07.489 --> 01:12:13.489
time undisputed. But I mean, he'd go from Canelo

01:12:13.489 --> 01:12:15.930
to someone like Janabek, which is like really...

01:12:15.930 --> 01:12:23.560
Like Janabek is more likely to be like... retired

01:12:23.560 --> 01:12:25.520
than fighting crawford if we're looking at the

01:12:25.520 --> 01:12:28.539
scaling event i think like yes it would be nice

01:12:28.539 --> 01:12:30.479
for crawford to win another title in another

01:12:30.479 --> 01:12:33.619
weight class but i think more than anything he

01:12:33.619 --> 01:12:36.960
wants an event that is his because his two biggest

01:12:36.960 --> 01:12:39.840
fights up to date has been him has been spence

01:12:39.840 --> 01:12:45.359
and him and canelo and him he needs that validation

01:12:45.359 --> 01:12:48.949
is something that like you know it's a little

01:12:48.949 --> 01:12:52.210
parasocial for me to surmise but the way he has

01:12:52.210 --> 01:12:54.829
gotten on top rank and like the way he carried

01:12:54.829 --> 01:12:57.390
himself around the build up to the spence fight

01:12:57.390 --> 01:13:01.850
basically like he needs he wants to be the show

01:13:01.850 --> 01:13:08.130
and you know what good for it good for him he

01:13:08.130 --> 01:13:11.449
deserves it if like as a hater and as as a hater

01:13:11.449 --> 01:13:15.840
and a fan i would like benavidez That'd be such

01:13:15.840 --> 01:13:22.000
a nice fight. I don't even have Benavidez winning

01:13:22.000 --> 01:13:27.000
that. That's a toss -up. I think another one

01:13:27.000 --> 01:13:33.840
that... This is a clear... This other one that

01:13:33.840 --> 01:13:36.039
I'm thinking of is Crawford would be favored

01:13:36.039 --> 01:13:38.239
by a lot. But you could put him against Jermel

01:13:38.239 --> 01:13:41.300
at 160. Because that's a grudge match. These

01:13:41.300 --> 01:13:43.819
guys hate each other. And that would absolutely

01:13:43.819 --> 01:13:47.100
be a profit to them. I would love to see that.

01:13:48.340 --> 01:13:54.800
It's either Charlo or another guy. Boots. Boots.

01:13:54.800 --> 01:13:57.060
I don't think he's interested in fighting Boots.

01:13:58.180 --> 01:14:01.390
I don't know. That would be a fun fight. as much

01:14:01.390 --> 01:14:03.890
again I've stated my love for boots and my love

01:14:03.890 --> 01:14:05.970
to see that fight I don't think it's smart for

01:14:05.970 --> 01:14:08.409
Crawford to come down to 154 and I don't think

01:14:08.409 --> 01:14:13.609
it's smart for boots to go up to 160 I think

01:14:13.609 --> 01:14:16.210
there's also whatever fight he gets sold next

01:14:16.210 --> 01:14:19.229
it I think there can't just be money there has

01:14:19.229 --> 01:14:21.090
to be legacy attached to it because right now

01:14:21.090 --> 01:14:23.670
I mean y 'all might disagree with me but I think

01:14:24.279 --> 01:14:27.340
this is the single best win of any boxer I've

01:14:27.340 --> 01:14:29.180
watched in my lifetime. Like, I can't think of

01:14:29.180 --> 01:14:32.359
another single win taken standalone that's better,

01:14:32.479 --> 01:14:35.380
considering all the circumstances. In this era?

01:14:36.819 --> 01:14:40.159
No, I think Usyk Fury is pretty high up there.

01:14:40.579 --> 01:14:43.920
It's the closest one, I think. I don't deny that

01:14:43.920 --> 01:14:47.439
at all, but I mean, if you look at the circumstances,

01:14:47.899 --> 01:14:52.159
like Nakatani Inoue is going to be, that's going

01:14:52.159 --> 01:14:55.760
to be the one I point at. That's more for the

01:14:55.760 --> 01:14:58.760
Japanese. That's more for the hardcore. That's

01:14:58.760 --> 01:15:01.439
for the hardcore. Not a lot of people from our

01:15:01.439 --> 01:15:03.720
side of the world were going to tune into that,

01:15:03.739 --> 01:15:08.159
unfortunately. Just that, like, you're going

01:15:08.159 --> 01:15:10.020
to have to have a fight that has serious legacy

01:15:10.020 --> 01:15:12.159
ramifications, right? Because when he took that

01:15:12.159 --> 01:15:14.560
Spence fight, that wasn't just, I'm finally getting

01:15:14.560 --> 01:15:17.739
paid. That's, I'm beating my generational rival,

01:15:17.979 --> 01:15:20.239
right? And when he took this Canelo fight, he's

01:15:20.239 --> 01:15:22.699
like, I'm beating a guy who's been a pound for

01:15:22.699 --> 01:15:26.750
pound fighter for the last decade right challenging

01:15:26.750 --> 01:15:31.310
the generation yes he needs something along those

01:15:31.310 --> 01:15:34.390
lines and yeah but i mean like just evaluating

01:15:34.390 --> 01:15:37.350
this one win like there's very few fights i think

01:15:37.350 --> 01:15:39.609
that that rise to the level like once you think

01:15:39.609 --> 01:15:42.470
of like like like i just said canelo has been

01:15:42.470 --> 01:15:45.210
on the pound for pound list for the basically

01:15:45.210 --> 01:15:48.710
over a decade at this point And, you know, we

01:15:48.710 --> 01:15:50.930
can say all we want about how he's regressed.

01:15:50.970 --> 01:15:53.149
But I mean, the fact that he jumped practically

01:15:53.149 --> 01:15:55.090
three weight classes, like I don't even count

01:15:55.090 --> 01:15:59.430
154 that much. He spent years and years as a

01:15:59.430 --> 01:16:01.770
welterweight. He jumps up for one fight, then

01:16:01.770 --> 01:16:05.789
moves to 168 and does that like he wins convincingly.

01:16:06.289 --> 01:16:09.850
I mean, it's it defies all the logic you should

01:16:09.850 --> 01:16:11.750
see because he's doing that on the wrong side

01:16:11.750 --> 01:16:15.270
of 35 to like that doesn't happen. It never happens.

01:16:15.920 --> 01:16:19.460
Right. And like you start piling up all these

01:16:19.460 --> 01:16:22.340
things that it defies conventional wisdom that

01:16:22.340 --> 01:16:24.060
he should have won this fight in the way he did.

01:16:24.140 --> 01:16:28.239
And yet he did. And so like, right. The only

01:16:28.239 --> 01:16:31.699
other one that makes sense is you. Right. Where

01:16:31.699 --> 01:16:35.100
he's fighting a guy. He jumps up 30 pounds and

01:16:35.100 --> 01:16:36.699
he's still at a 30 pound weight disadvantage.

01:16:37.260 --> 01:16:41.420
Like that's a crazy jump up there. But I mean,

01:16:41.439 --> 01:16:45.250
I just had a crazy. What else? I just had a great

01:16:45.250 --> 01:16:50.189
thought. You know, years ago after the loss to

01:16:50.189 --> 01:16:52.770
Bavole, Bavole was saying that he dropped down

01:16:52.770 --> 01:16:56.050
to 168 to challenge for the Undisputed Super

01:16:56.050 --> 01:16:59.529
Metalweight title. Holy shit. Is there any world

01:16:59.529 --> 01:17:04.989
where he drops down to 168 to challenge Bud or

01:17:04.989 --> 01:17:08.970
the Undisputed 168? No. That's not happening.

01:17:09.029 --> 01:17:11.729
That's like Chad Rawson going back down to fight

01:17:11.729 --> 01:17:16.680
Andre Ward. hell hell no, but also like I don't

01:17:16.680 --> 01:17:19.920
I don't think it that I just like like as much

01:17:19.920 --> 01:17:24.779
as people is like Well as legacy as below might

01:17:24.779 --> 01:17:27.699
be like again I think more than like it needs

01:17:27.699 --> 01:17:31.439
to be a good blend of legacy and spectacle Crawford

01:17:31.439 --> 01:17:35.220
needs to be the a -side in an event To validate

01:17:35.220 --> 01:17:38.680
his entire career after himself. It's not like

01:17:38.680 --> 01:17:43.619
It's not yeah he would be the a side but i'm

01:17:43.619 --> 01:17:45.380
saying i'm saying it wouldn't be as much of an

01:17:45.380 --> 01:17:49.899
event you'd be like oh it's bibble but i'll say

01:17:49.899 --> 01:17:51.239
if you thought benavidez that would probably

01:17:51.239 --> 01:17:53.460
be the closest that's what i mean benavidez benavidez

01:17:53.460 --> 01:17:57.479
is a similar on a similar like say what you have

01:17:57.479 --> 01:18:01.020
a legacy benavidez is similar it's a bigger profile

01:18:01.020 --> 01:18:07.140
than b of old right now and he doesn't need to

01:18:07.140 --> 01:18:09.340
they could do it at a catch weight even like

01:18:09.340 --> 01:18:12.979
170. The thing is that also, this fight, like

01:18:12.979 --> 01:18:15.060
we were saying last time, was the grand finale

01:18:15.060 --> 01:18:16.899
of boxing. There was no passing of the torch.

01:18:17.619 --> 01:18:20.500
You know? There's no young fighter that's going

01:18:20.500 --> 01:18:22.819
to live on it. Pack it up, guys. No, seriously.

01:18:22.960 --> 01:18:24.819
Because, I mean, after this, I mean, are there

01:18:24.819 --> 01:18:26.319
really going to be a lot of Cinco de Mayo fights?

01:18:27.020 --> 01:18:29.819
Fucking... In the Mexican Independence Day fights

01:18:29.819 --> 01:18:33.939
for a while? I mean, that was Canelo's day. That

01:18:33.939 --> 01:18:36.300
is Canelo's day. I will say that... When's that

01:18:36.300 --> 01:18:38.239
next time it's going to happen? You know? I will

01:18:38.239 --> 01:18:42.239
say that... Turkey Alashik's involvement in the

01:18:42.239 --> 01:18:44.399
sport and everything has destroyed the prospect

01:18:44.399 --> 01:18:48.020
pipeline. So, like, yeah, once this generation

01:18:48.020 --> 01:18:51.119
is done, it's, we're gonna, like, yeah, this

01:18:51.119 --> 01:18:53.239
basically, like, if we're gonna treat it that

01:18:53.239 --> 01:18:58.020
way, this basically was the series finale. I

01:18:58.020 --> 01:19:00.579
do agree with that take. Because, honestly, like,

01:19:00.659 --> 01:19:02.920
it's kind of sad to say, but if Benavidez does

01:19:02.920 --> 01:19:05.279
fight Crawford, that can be a passing of the

01:19:05.279 --> 01:19:08.539
torch. A new start for another Mexican star to

01:19:08.539 --> 01:19:11.420
at least carry on For these days. At least fight

01:19:11.420 --> 01:19:14.479
twice a year, you know. On the days that Canelo

01:19:14.479 --> 01:19:19.260
fight, you know. It's just sad to think that.

01:19:19.800 --> 01:19:22.319
Like, it's bittersweet, actually, to me. I was

01:19:22.319 --> 01:19:25.920
thinking about it. I mean, I was so happy that

01:19:25.920 --> 01:19:28.340
Crawford won. I was literally, like, jumping

01:19:28.340 --> 01:19:33.140
up and down. And yelling, fuck yeah, beat his

01:19:33.140 --> 01:19:36.739
ass, type of thing, you know. At the end of the

01:19:36.739 --> 01:19:38.800
fight, I felt sad because I realized I was like,

01:19:38.859 --> 01:19:42.560
dude, I've been watching Canelo for the majority

01:19:42.560 --> 01:19:46.979
of my life. And it's sad to see him go out like

01:19:46.979 --> 01:19:51.840
that. I saw his rise, his peak, and his eventual

01:19:51.840 --> 01:19:56.100
decline. And it's sad to see that he's probably

01:19:56.100 --> 01:20:00.539
going to retire. Boxing is dead has been a cliche

01:20:00.539 --> 01:20:02.659
since they started letting black people box.

01:20:03.500 --> 01:20:10.119
But the way the prospect pipeline is so irreparably

01:20:10.119 --> 01:20:15.279
damaged at this point, because your options are

01:20:15.279 --> 01:20:18.100
either you have your amateur background, which

01:20:18.100 --> 01:20:21.640
is getting chipped away at by the year, just

01:20:21.640 --> 01:20:27.380
by society, and you hope that you become one

01:20:27.380 --> 01:20:31.699
of Turkey's darlings. or you fight on your regional

01:20:31.699 --> 01:20:35.460
circuit or pro box or wherever and you grind

01:20:35.460 --> 01:20:38.100
your way up only to be put against one of turkey's

01:20:38.100 --> 01:20:43.020
darlings on two weeks notice like we're gonna

01:20:43.020 --> 01:20:48.300
hit a prospect crisis not soon but it is on the

01:20:48.300 --> 01:20:51.479
horizon and it's something that doubles that

01:20:51.479 --> 01:20:53.859
kind of exacerbates the feeling of this feeling

01:20:53.859 --> 01:20:58.359
like a series finale almost I mean, right now,

01:20:58.359 --> 01:21:03.439
besides Canelo and, I guess, Tank, Tank's also

01:21:03.439 --> 01:21:05.399
gone, but, like, what other pay -per -view star

01:21:05.399 --> 01:21:13.439
is there? Virgil and Benavidez. Benavidez is

01:21:13.439 --> 01:21:16.260
the closest we have to someone who has, like,

01:21:16.340 --> 01:21:22.340
in a way, is known by casuals, but the issue

01:21:22.340 --> 01:21:24.520
is that, like, top -ranked sucks at putting his

01:21:24.520 --> 01:21:28.149
fights on in the United States. so him being

01:21:28.149 --> 01:21:31.069
on facebook is a hate crime i don't care what

01:21:31.069 --> 01:21:34.149
else to say like bro i've seen like beer league

01:21:34.149 --> 01:21:38.010
lacrosse with more viewers on facebook bro like

01:21:38.010 --> 01:21:41.850
this is it's criminal i think your your next

01:21:41.850 --> 01:21:45.250
other star besides the ones you listed genuinely

01:21:45.250 --> 01:21:49.550
i think it's moses aitama true like he's got

01:21:49.550 --> 01:21:51.409
a lot of potential but i i totally agree with

01:21:51.409 --> 01:21:53.609
what you're saying like there is there's not

01:21:53.609 --> 01:21:55.569
a whole lot of guys that we know about at this

01:21:55.569 --> 01:21:58.130
moment that who's ready to take the mantle right

01:21:58.130 --> 01:22:01.069
it feels like he got the last helicopter out

01:22:01.069 --> 01:22:06.189
of saigon though like very much like he's the

01:22:06.189 --> 01:22:09.970
like he's done like the way like he got the last

01:22:09.970 --> 01:22:13.170
helicopter out of saigon with how like he's being

01:22:13.170 --> 01:22:15.949
developed like a normal prospect instead of like

01:22:15.949 --> 01:22:20.050
what's going to happen which is that there are

01:22:20.050 --> 01:22:24.170
no prospects so we're just gonna See what works.

01:22:26.130 --> 01:22:29.310
In the lightweight classes, it'll be fine. Because

01:22:29.310 --> 01:22:34.470
he doesn't care. Yeah, like, the regional circuits

01:22:34.470 --> 01:22:36.829
in the lighter weight classes should remain fine,

01:22:37.050 --> 01:22:39.789
but, like, once you get to welterweight and above,

01:22:40.210 --> 01:22:42.510
like, you're already seeing it at middleweight

01:22:42.510 --> 01:22:47.050
and at heavyweight. Heavyweight is as talented

01:22:47.050 --> 01:22:49.890
as it's ever been, but, like, it's very top -heavy.

01:22:51.470 --> 01:22:54.789
These weight classes are really top heavy. And

01:22:54.789 --> 01:22:58.449
it's just going to erode with time if you don't

01:22:58.449 --> 01:23:00.510
have a spot. Because guys are going to stay amateur

01:23:00.510 --> 01:23:05.170
if they can't do anything in the pros. We'll

01:23:05.170 --> 01:23:10.130
get more Lomachenkos. And that's not great. You

01:23:10.130 --> 01:23:13.229
get guys who are too old. You get guys who just

01:23:13.229 --> 01:23:16.130
beat up on kids for the last 10 years and then

01:23:16.130 --> 01:23:18.630
can't cut it in the pros to their full potential

01:23:18.630 --> 01:23:24.039
because they didn't turn pro soon enough. Like,

01:23:24.039 --> 01:23:26.500
Lomachenko had a good career, but he could have,

01:23:26.539 --> 01:23:29.880
he could have all, like, it's something to say

01:23:29.880 --> 01:23:31.779
that he could have been so much more if he had

01:23:31.779 --> 01:23:35.000
just turned pro eight years earlier and actually

01:23:35.000 --> 01:23:39.159
became a pro. And we're going to, we're going

01:23:39.159 --> 01:23:41.800
to get a lot of disappointing prospects or prospects

01:23:41.800 --> 01:23:43.739
that never turned pro that you'd want them to

01:23:43.739 --> 01:23:47.000
turn pro. It's just, it's bleak. We're going

01:23:47.000 --> 01:23:50.960
to get a bunch of Demetrius Andres. It's bleak.

01:23:50.979 --> 01:23:54.060
And the thing is that everyone's going to still

01:23:54.060 --> 01:23:57.420
want to stay turkeys, darling. So you're going

01:23:57.420 --> 01:24:00.560
to get a bunch of androids. This is the same

01:24:00.560 --> 01:24:03.579
as the Mayweather sweepstakes, wasn't it? Where

01:24:03.579 --> 01:24:05.899
everybody just doesn't want to do anything because

01:24:05.899 --> 01:24:10.199
they want to remain pristine enough. But that

01:24:10.199 --> 01:24:13.760
was at the top. At the prospect level, you had

01:24:13.760 --> 01:24:17.199
guys like Thurman and Spence camp. Again, you

01:24:17.199 --> 01:24:22.010
had prospects campaigning. in search of the sweepstakes

01:24:22.010 --> 01:24:24.649
it's that's what it like when the sweepstakes

01:24:24.649 --> 01:24:28.550
is a fighter yeah it affects the top but the

01:24:28.550 --> 01:24:31.130
prospects really get moving to make it to the

01:24:31.130 --> 01:24:35.449
top level so they can get that shot when it's

01:24:35.449 --> 01:24:38.329
a promoter sweepstakes where you just you just

01:24:38.329 --> 01:24:41.250
sit on your ass there's no one there's no like

01:24:41.250 --> 01:24:44.289
there's no one to fight to get that or to no

01:24:44.289 --> 01:24:46.510
way to earn it you just it's rent it's chance

01:24:46.510 --> 01:24:49.779
almost Well, then that's when you sign up with

01:24:49.779 --> 01:24:57.460
the IBF. It's a bleak prospect pipeline is what

01:24:57.460 --> 01:24:59.399
I mean in terms of like how we traditionally

01:24:59.399 --> 01:25:03.600
consider prospect development, which is like

01:25:03.600 --> 01:25:06.119
it's going to be guys never reaching their full

01:25:06.119 --> 01:25:11.079
potential or turning pro too late or just getting

01:25:11.079 --> 01:25:13.640
like washed over because there's no opportunity

01:25:13.640 --> 01:25:21.460
to get built up. It's like, again, it's very

01:25:21.460 --> 01:25:26.260
much like a series finale of boxing. But again,

01:25:26.260 --> 01:25:29.319
I'm still going to stick around to see how bad

01:25:29.319 --> 01:25:33.140
it gets. And you know what? If nothing else,

01:25:33.260 --> 01:25:37.140
I have Inoue Nakatani to look forward to as one

01:25:37.140 --> 01:25:42.119
last super fight. You're so pessimistic. Boxing

01:25:42.119 --> 01:25:45.979
will be fine. Boxing's always fine. It's always

01:25:45.979 --> 01:25:49.279
fine, but the thing is that it's on a decline.

01:25:49.420 --> 01:25:51.239
It can be better, but it's on a decline right

01:25:51.239 --> 01:25:55.979
now. Yeah, it'll come back. I'm pessimistic because

01:25:55.979 --> 01:26:01.279
I like having the upper weight classes healthy.

01:26:01.640 --> 01:26:05.979
I do not... Nobody cares. Well, I don't care.

01:26:06.079 --> 01:26:08.619
Everybody cares except me. Everybody cares. That's

01:26:08.619 --> 01:26:11.659
the thing. Like, we're the hardcores. But, like,

01:26:11.680 --> 01:26:14.899
when I go to work and I talk to a guy, it's like,

01:26:15.039 --> 01:26:17.720
oh, did you see the Benavidez highlight clip

01:26:17.720 --> 01:26:20.500
on Instagram? It's never, like, did you see Bam

01:26:20.500 --> 01:26:24.979
Rodriguez fight last week? It should be. It should

01:26:24.979 --> 01:26:30.899
be. We are the hardcores, ostensibly. And I'm

01:26:30.899 --> 01:26:35.979
thinking more about, like, again, a kid, an absolute,

01:26:36.140 --> 01:26:39.100
like, a complete child. does not sign up for

01:26:39.100 --> 01:26:44.579
boxing because uh he watched um in a way cardenas

01:26:44.579 --> 01:26:48.819
as good as that fight was it's because he watched

01:26:48.819 --> 01:26:51.359
a really cool heavyweight fight where two fat

01:26:51.359 --> 01:26:55.060
dudes beat the out of each other no no i disagree

01:26:55.060 --> 01:27:00.359
boring no like that's how it was back in the

01:27:00.359 --> 01:27:01.920
day they would watch the heavyweight fights with

01:27:01.920 --> 01:27:05.539
george foreman and muhammad ali even in the 90s

01:27:05.930 --> 01:27:09.449
No, but you see the British boom in boxing was

01:27:09.449 --> 01:27:14.250
Audley Harrison. Yeah, that's true. A heavyweight.

01:27:14.270 --> 01:27:15.649
You're not wrong. You're not wrong. You're not

01:27:15.649 --> 01:27:17.949
wrong. But that's the British boom. And then

01:27:17.949 --> 01:27:21.109
it was David Price. You had AJ. And then AJ's

01:27:21.109 --> 01:27:24.449
era really, like, that's what I mean. It's always,

01:27:24.489 --> 01:27:29.390
like, an inspiring, like, in Europe. Like, Klitschko's

01:27:29.390 --> 01:27:32.760
being in Germany. kind of correlates to Germany

01:27:32.760 --> 01:27:35.979
having a really nice amateur scene right now.

01:27:36.579 --> 01:27:39.300
But you get small guys that do the same thing.

01:27:39.640 --> 01:27:42.000
Oh, absolutely. Not on the same scale, though.

01:27:42.279 --> 01:27:44.779
But the thing is that the upper... So many people

01:27:44.779 --> 01:27:47.920
started boxing because of Pacquiao. Heavyweight?

01:27:48.140 --> 01:27:51.779
Heavyweight? Yeah, you're right. But they built

01:27:51.779 --> 01:27:56.300
him up properly, promotionally. And that's the

01:27:56.300 --> 01:27:59.140
point we're trying to make. So many people are

01:27:59.140 --> 01:28:02.359
going to start boxing because of Bam and Inoue.

01:28:02.979 --> 01:28:04.479
I think a lot of people are going to start boxing

01:28:04.479 --> 01:28:09.819
because of this fight. When I look at Pacquiao's

01:28:09.819 --> 01:28:15.159
career here, the thing is that this is when Friday

01:28:15.159 --> 01:28:17.760
Night Fight cards existed and everything that

01:28:17.760 --> 01:28:20.000
he could be on. And there were so many dates

01:28:20.000 --> 01:28:23.819
that were filled. By a pile of promoters. That

01:28:23.819 --> 01:28:26.600
all had TV dates. They turn on their TV. Who

01:28:26.600 --> 01:28:28.680
is this Filipino dude? I can't pronounce his

01:28:28.680 --> 01:28:30.619
name. And he's beating the fuck out of this champion.

01:28:32.100 --> 01:28:34.079
Nowadays that doesn't exist. You can't flick

01:28:34.079 --> 01:28:37.420
on your TV. The culture is not there anymore.

01:28:37.800 --> 01:28:41.859
Because there are no TV deals. There's no room

01:28:41.859 --> 01:28:45.319
for a kid. To turn on his TV. On a Thursday night.

01:28:45.800 --> 01:28:48.579
And see this kid Pacquiao. Who had to put fucking

01:28:48.579 --> 01:28:51.180
rocks in his shorts. beating the fuck out of

01:28:51.180 --> 01:28:55.000
the world champion that story doesn't exist anymore

01:28:55.000 --> 01:28:57.399
and that's why i think the prospect pipeline

01:28:57.399 --> 01:28:59.920
is a little bleak i'm not saying the sport's

01:28:59.920 --> 01:29:02.079
gonna die out but i'm saying at the up by upper

01:29:02.079 --> 01:29:04.180
weight like upper weight classes is lightweight

01:29:04.180 --> 01:29:07.520
and above if you go at it mathematically and

01:29:07.520 --> 01:29:10.460
they're gonna dry up a little bit interest wise

01:29:10.460 --> 01:29:15.319
because there's like the like there's no there's

01:29:15.319 --> 01:29:18.489
no way it's not accessible And it gets less accessible

01:29:18.489 --> 01:29:21.510
to access the prospects. Because before they're

01:29:21.510 --> 01:29:24.109
stars, they're always prospects. And you need

01:29:24.109 --> 01:29:27.210
to be able to build them, not just as fighters,

01:29:27.310 --> 01:29:30.109
but promotionally at the prospect stage for free

01:29:30.109 --> 01:29:35.369
in an accessible way. Like ProBot. ProBot, exactly.

01:29:35.710 --> 01:29:40.170
But again, no TV deal. Just speaking of prospects,

01:29:40.470 --> 01:29:42.789
I have prospects for sleep tonight, so I'm going

01:29:42.789 --> 01:29:51.539
to dip. We've gone way off topic. We've gone

01:29:51.539 --> 01:29:58.460
way over. Appreciate you having us. Have a good

01:29:58.460 --> 01:30:01.800
one, fellas. Thank you for coming. We should

01:30:01.800 --> 01:30:08.960
wrap up. What were you going to say, Sol? I was

01:30:08.960 --> 01:30:10.340
going to say, I just want to say one last thing

01:30:10.340 --> 01:30:15.640
about the fight. Man. It was a spectacle, dude.

01:30:15.659 --> 01:30:18.760
I haven't felt like... Yeah, I haven't felt like

01:30:18.760 --> 01:30:23.520
that in forever, man. I remember... I would talk

01:30:23.520 --> 01:30:24.920
to people, just random people, about the fight

01:30:24.920 --> 01:30:27.340
on the street. I was surprised that actually

01:30:27.340 --> 01:30:29.739
people started talking about it, you know? It

01:30:29.739 --> 01:30:32.140
was actually... Yeah, exactly. But it was like

01:30:32.140 --> 01:30:37.300
a highly viewed event. You know? It was akin

01:30:37.300 --> 01:30:40.420
to like a Mayweather Canelo. Mayweather Pacquiao

01:30:40.420 --> 01:30:44.060
type thing. You know? People were talking about

01:30:44.060 --> 01:30:48.300
it. It's crazy. I can't believe. I'm still in

01:30:48.300 --> 01:30:49.920
disbelief right now that Crawford did what he

01:30:49.920 --> 01:30:52.340
did. Beautiful, beautiful fighter. Beautiful,

01:30:52.340 --> 01:30:55.699
beautiful man. That ring. I loved it. I loved

01:30:55.699 --> 01:30:57.840
every second of it. He beat the shit out of Canelo.

01:31:00.899 --> 01:31:04.119
Damn. I'm going to give. I wish I hadn't moved.

01:31:04.779 --> 01:31:08.659
Because the corner shop. I think I've mentioned

01:31:08.659 --> 01:31:12.210
it on B -Sides before. The corner store. near

01:31:12.210 --> 01:31:16.710
my where I used to live like on big you can always

01:31:16.710 --> 01:31:20.710
tell big fight weekends I go to the corner store

01:31:20.710 --> 01:31:24.590
on like Saturday night or Saturday evening and

01:31:24.590 --> 01:31:28.329
the place is packed the all of the beer is fucking

01:31:28.329 --> 01:31:33.310
gone and everybody in line is talking about the

01:31:33.310 --> 01:31:35.970
fight this is it has happened more than once

01:31:35.970 --> 01:31:41.779
and they've all been Canelo fights But that would

01:31:41.779 --> 01:31:43.779
have been cool to see what was happening in the

01:31:43.779 --> 01:31:51.539
shop. Sad times. All right. Anything more for

01:31:51.539 --> 01:31:56.020
the Terrence Crawford Canelo card? You said everything

01:31:56.020 --> 01:32:00.260
we needed to say. You know, I'm not going to

01:32:00.260 --> 01:32:03.920
do ads this time. Fuck that. But I am going to

01:32:03.920 --> 01:32:06.699
throw some shit in here. Buy a t -shirt. I was

01:32:06.699 --> 01:32:10.449
going to throw some shit in here. We got this

01:32:10.449 --> 01:32:12.649
new jacket up. It actually looks pretty dope.

01:32:14.010 --> 01:32:18.829
So lvx .be slash shop if you want to check that

01:32:18.829 --> 01:32:23.529
out. LVX Media Net, that's the social media handle

01:32:23.529 --> 01:32:26.050
everywhere. If you cannot find it, chances are

01:32:26.050 --> 01:32:29.069
we're not on it. But if you want to hit me up,

01:32:29.170 --> 01:32:31.529
let me know what social media app you can't find

01:32:31.529 --> 01:32:35.890
me on. 833 -589 -7637. I want to hear what you

01:32:35.890 --> 01:32:38.750
think about Terrence Crawford beating Canelo.

01:32:39.819 --> 01:32:43.619
Does your heart ache? Or are your fucking loins

01:32:43.619 --> 01:32:49.539
tickled? You tell me. That's all I got. Let's

01:32:49.539 --> 01:32:52.520
do some parting words. Shanada, start us off.

01:32:54.479 --> 01:32:58.220
I don't have parting words today. I'm going to

01:32:58.220 --> 01:33:03.079
go crash so hard. I've been awake for like 48

01:33:03.079 --> 01:33:09.960
hours. Fair enough. Saul, you got anything? Yeah,

01:33:10.000 --> 01:33:11.880
I just want to say that there's a couple fights

01:33:11.880 --> 01:33:16.100
that happen every couple years that reignites

01:33:16.100 --> 01:33:20.220
the love for the sport. It reminds the fans what

01:33:20.220 --> 01:33:24.260
we love most about boxing. You know, we had Spence

01:33:24.260 --> 01:33:30.180
Crawford, Wilder Fury. Fucking this fight made

01:33:30.180 --> 01:33:35.539
me realize again and again why I watch boxing.

01:33:35.699 --> 01:33:40.380
You know, it's why we love boxing. It was beautiful.

01:33:40.920 --> 01:33:43.460
And I'm glad I have experienced it. And I could

01:33:43.460 --> 01:33:50.500
die happy now. Those are my parting words. I

01:33:50.500 --> 01:33:52.399
could die happy now. Knowing that Crawford became

01:33:52.399 --> 01:33:53.979
three times as beautiful. I could die happy now.

01:33:54.779 --> 01:33:59.560
My top ten greatest of all time. That's crazy.

01:34:00.340 --> 01:34:05.520
That is crazy. I don't care. I don't care. Pro

01:34:05.520 --> 01:34:10.670
box good. Oh, fuck. That's going to do it for

01:34:10.670 --> 01:34:15.229
this edition. This is going to go up when it

01:34:15.229 --> 01:34:19.130
goes up. Boxing B -sides. Fucking check us out.