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Alright. Well, well, well. The Boxing B -Sides
have convened for what is going to be a pretty
light fucking episode this time. Joined by the
one and only Saul. If you've spent any time in
Discord, you know who this is. And another crossover.
We got Isaac back to talk some boxing. Talking
boxing, but first UFC 319. Holy shit. Was there
some good stuff on here? One that I missed was,
did King Green get knocked out? I didn't see.
Dude, no, that fight got scrapped. Oh, it did?
Okay. Yeah, he had like a metal core. He said
he couldn't walk during fight week. Something
happened. We still don't know what happened,
but apparently he couldn't walk. Spared another
day. Yeah. Let's see. Jared Cannoneer. Was getting
his ass worked by Michael Venom Page. Yeah. For
two rounds. And then MVP decided, I think I can
grapple. Yeah. Some very not smart decisions
by MVP. But yeah, the first two rounds, he was
busting Cannon Era. Dropped him pretty hard twice.
But yeah, unfortunate third round for him. Unfortunate.
Was this the second round where Carlos Pratesh
got Jeff Neal? Dude, no, it was first round.
First round. At the bell. At the bell. Okay,
that's what I thought it was. After. Dude, nasty.
Nasty ass elbow. Spinning. What was the stat
you had given? Like, coming into the event, there
was only like eight spinning elbow knockouts?
Yeah, coming into this UFC history. Yeah, this
is a nasty, nasty knockout. I mean. We had talked
about it, obviously, on Ultimate Fucking Casual.
We had talked about it, how this was most likely
going to end in a knockout. But, dude, this one
was, like, not only a knockout, but it was very
flashy. It was very, like, highlight reel -esque.
And, man, Carlos Pratesh, he's on a rocket, man.
Strapped to a rocket. He's, you know, he had
that little loss to Ian Gary, but this is a big
knockout. No one's knocked out Jeff Neal before.
So this was really nice. I mean, very aesthetically
pleasing knockout, too. Very good win. Yeah,
very emphatic return from what was a pretty kind
of a dull loss. So it's not like he got dominated
or anything, but well, dominated may not be the
right word. He didn't get ragdolled. Yeah. Yeah,
but I'm excited to see where they go with him
next. Excited to see where they go with Lerone
Murphy. Another spinning knockout. Over debutant
Aaron Pico. Continuing to make the outside orgs
look like trash. Yeah, this was, I mean, we were
just talking about eight spinning elbow KOs coming
into this event. And then we got, like, back
-to -back spinning elbow KOs, both in the first
round. It was insane to see this was, I mean,
this sort of, like, made the event, or the entire
card, rather, but, like... And this one was beautiful.
Aaron Pico was pressuring Murphy pretty hard
throughout the first round. I mean, backing up
Murphy to the fence consistently throughout,
throwing good body shots. He's doing good work.
But in between, you saw the tea leaves, man.
Murphy was trying to get a counter as Pico was
stepping in. We saw him throw a knee up to the
chin of Pico that just missed. But then Murphy
clocked that. Pico was diving off to the right
side. during his entries, you know, trying to
slip on any counters that Murphy was throwing.
Murphy timed that spinning elbow. Man, completely
flatline Pico. He was just out for some time.
Brutal, brutal knockout from Murphy. And this
was like, I mean, this went super viral. We're
already talking about Volkanovski himself tweeted
that he will see Lerone Murphy for the featherweight
title shot. possibly later this year, November,
December. I think we'll see. But yeah, this was
a great win for Murphy. This was a guy that was
coming pretty far under the radar, right? Like
he wasn't quite as flashy. He wasn't getting
as much accolades as like Diego Lopez was. Obviously
not in the same... He wasn't even in the conversation
with Volkanovski until this. Yeah. Yeah, I mean,
not really. I mean, he's been on a pretty big
win streak, but like basically like his last
fight versus another contender called Josh Emmett
was like, it just wasn't like super exciting.
He got the win. It was like conclusive that he
got the win, but it just wasn't super exciting.
But he just like completely erased all that and
like just leapfrogged himself right into a title
shot. Like this was a tremendous win. And when
you pair that with his win streak that he has
at the moment. I think he probably deserves to
get the title shot, and hopefully that's what
they do. It looks like that's what they're going
to do at least. Yeah, strike while the iron's
hot. Yeah, exactly. Poor Mofsvar. Yeah. He gets
the chair in the corner. Yeah. In the main event,
the middleweight title was on the line. Drikus
Duplessis drops the ball. It wasn't even fucking
close. uh four rounds dominated four and a half
minutes of the last round dominated wasn't until
the end that he had a close he had a catch he
almost got a uh or was it a rear naked choke
i think yeah he hopped on his back and like tried
to lock it in but i mean comes out an experienced
wrestler grappler he wasn't gonna let that happen
but you know there was some emotion like in those
last 30 seconds you know like could he get this
done But no, alas, he could not. Lost heavily
on points. And yeah, comes out as your new middleweight
champion. Was it a sweep? I remember it being
a sweep. Yeah, yeah. This is a sweep. I mean,
we're talking about potentially one or two 10
-8 rounds. It's like the third or the fourth
rounds. One of them could be a 10 -8 round. But
yeah, we're talking about even more than 50 -45.
I mean, this was... This was a domination, man.
Drikus, it was really only those last 30 seconds.
That was really the only thing he had going for
him this entire fight. He got dominated. He got
ragdolled, would be a proper term. Yep. I was
a Drikus fucking truther. And I had to get my
words. Yeah, he's had his plot armor up until
now. But yeah, that armor got cracked. And he's
going to have to go back to being a contender.
Especially after this loss. He's going to have
to get a few wins after this. Just want to check
who is around. Imabov has a fight coming up.
He's the second rated contender. I don't see
a good reason to do Strickland again. Yeah, it
won't be Strickland. Plus, he's on suspension
for now for something he did out of the ring.
Oh, right. That's right. And yeah, so it's actually
a very interesting weight division at the moment
because, like you said, Imoval is facing the
Brazilian Bojalio in UFC Paris, which is coming
up soon within the next few weeks. But then they've
also just scheduled RDR versus Fluffy Hernandez,
which is another pair of contenders. So, you
know, it depends, I guess, first of all, on how
much time comes out once off. I don't know how
active he wants to be, but we could see the next
middleweight, like, challenger or title challenger
be the winner of Bohagio versus Emilov. Or potentially,
you know, if Kamsa wants to wait a little bit
longer, it could be the winner between RDR and
Fluffy. So, you know, it's something you'll have
to see. It could be one of, like, four people
as far as the title challenger goes. So there's,
you know, a lot is in the air at the moment.
But, you know, it's exciting as a division, is
what that means. How many times has DDP fought
Adesanya? Uh, once. Once? Once. Could do that
again. Yeah, I mean, the rematch, rematch would
be, I mean, the first one was, like, really popular.
There was a lot going into it. Oh, the African
-ness. Yeah, there was a lot of... African -ness
was ridiculous. The press conference was nice.
You know, Adesanya looked nice early, but, I
mean, recently, Adesanya's been looking pretty
washed. I mean, he got knocked out by Imovov.
You know, who is a legitimate challenger to the
title at the moment, so perhaps it's not the
worst loss, but... Yeah, he could be. I mean,
he's definitely passed in better years. He's
on his way out the door for sure. Yeah. Oh, UFC
319. If you want to hear the full breakdown,
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us out. Shout out, Nathan. Yeah, Nate Dogg. Always
doing his thing. Into some news. Virgil is going
to be fighting Erickson Lubin. How many rounds
does this go? I don't see this going to the end.
If Virgil really has power at 154, then it's
going to be a Virgil sweep. He knocks him out.
I don't see Erickson Lubin. taken him the distance
at all. He robbed Jesus Ramos blind in the damn
fight on the Charlo Canelo undercard. That was
horrible. So, I think if since it's a Golden
Boy card, Virgil also has that advantage with
being from his own promoter. Even if it goes
to decision, it's going to be given to Virgil
no matter what. But, I mean, I don't see how
Erickson Lubin wins unless it's by knockout.
That boy's not knocking out fucking Virgil Ortiz.
No, he's not. If he knocks out Virgil Ortiz,
I'm cutting off my fucking arms and my legs.
I am that confident. On Isaac's life and on Leo's
life, Virgil's not losing the damn fight. Oh,
man. I got thrown into this one. I agree with
you, though, so I'm here for it. I mean, it's
crazy. I don't expect a lot out of Lubin. He's
getting recycled a little too heavily. I mean,
you got some of the biggest Virgil fans in here,
but I feel like even if you weren't a Virgil
fan, you have to look at this. Like, Virgil,
look at the level of opposition he's been facing
recently. Like, we know he's, you know, he's
sort of been inactive this year, but even then,
he's going to have two fights this year, which
is not, you can't really classify two fights
a year as inactive, really, at this level anymore.
But yeah, dude, I think he can beat Lubin, hopefully
by KO. I mean, Lubin has been KO'd by... Jermel
before. Is that his only loss by knockout? No,
Sebastian Fandora. Fandora did it too? Well,
he didn't come out of the corner, so I'll call
that a stoppage if you want. Yeah, I mean, okay.
We definitely want to be seeing Virgil get that
finish then too. I'm pretty sure Lubin knocked
down Fandora too, right? He did. He got a knockdown.
Yeah, he got a knockdown earlier. Yeah. Me, personally,
as a Virgil fan, I want to see him get a knockout
here. I mean, that's just... I mean, we already
know he sort of deserves a title shot at 154,
but that would just make it undeniable. His next
fight has to be for a title. If he can get it.
If he can get a finisher. So, yeah, that's what
I'm looking for. That's the thing. We've been
saying that ever since the poetry fight, though.
In the next fight... Yeah, they do. Yeah. But
he's been getting shafted every time. I mean,
fucking Fandora's fighting goddamn Keith Urban.
Gross. Bokrum, where the fuck's Bokrum? The WBA,
they're by the guy. Yeah, dude. They have, I
think we're going to talk about this, I don't
know, this week or next week. For the TLS, Baru,
Baradu. Oh, yeah, dude. It's going to be the
next WBA champion, which they're probably most
likely going to fight Boots next to get a, you
know. Get a strap on. Yeah, get a strap on Boots.
And then, fucking, the WBO is with goddamn Henry
Saez, who's not going to fight anybody in the
top ten for the next three years. At least from
what I've seen. And this is, like, the weird
part about this fight, too, because, like, was
Lubin not supposed to fight Mertes Alia? Was
that not the fight that was, like, supposed to
be made? Like, I thought, like, all the rumors
I was seeing, yeah, I thought all the rumors
I was seeing were, like, pointing to that, but,
which is why, like, the Lubin -Otis fight sort
of caught me off guard, but, I mean, I will say
this, at least it's not, like, a cam, like. Virgil
is facing someone that has been around the title
picture, you know, before and, like, recently.
So, you know, if it's not a belt, I'm at least
glad it's someone like that. But, yeah, hopefully
he'll get the knockout. I think Lumen is probably
the best opponent you can get right now because
I believe everybody else is going to be taken
up at that time. Obviously, a VootSpy is not
going to be the best right now. But for sure,
like, next year, mid to late next year would
be perfect. I hope that they make that fight
and they don't over -marinate it. I remember
in the chat they were talking about how over
-marinating fights is a bullshit thing. That
term's kind of bullshit. I heavily disagree with
that. I think there's times where obviously when
you let fights marinate for too long when they
don't happen, example being Deontay Wilder and
Anthony Joshua, it just loses the hype and the
money. So I hope they make that fight next year.
They need to make that fight next year. Yeah,
and this is, like, the good thing about Virgil
is that, like, a lot of his fights have been,
like, really successful. Like, the Bojack fight
was fun. A lot of those fights at 147 were fun.
Like, Mean Machine, for example. But, like, Virgil
has put his name in, like, multiple hats. So,
like, he's got stuff with Alexander Zayas going
on at the moment that they're beating online.
I mean, I don't know if Top Rank will make that
fight if it comes down to it. But, like... he's
got his name in a bunch of hats at the moment,
which is a very good thing, too. You know, he's
basically, like, he has a bunch of avenues where
he can go, oh, yeah, this is, you know, step
one, he's got to take care of business here.
And, you know, I will be watching with great
intent here. 100%. The thing with Virgil, though,
is that I can't help but just feel like he's
just going to keep getting shafted. He's with
the WBC right now. Dude. Fucking, they're having
fucking Pandora fight fans or tournament, whatever
the fuck. I mean, come on. They're not going
to give Mattel a shot. They're going to keep
it in -house. You see, that's when it comes to,
like, this is more of a failure on De La Hoya
and Golden Boys. And, though, because, like,
Virgil is, like, he's beating the dudes they
put in front of him. Like, the Bojack fight,
Majumov, he beat them both. Now he's going to
beat Lubin. Like, bro, what else do you need?
Who else does he need to beat? to get a title
shot. He's done everything he needs to do. That's
more promoter failure. The promoter failure and
also on the fall of the belt organizations. Is
Virgil not interim? Is he not interim? I believe
he is. He is interim for the WBC, but the WBC
is a bunch of bitches. They want to fucking...
having the interim title not be a mandatory title.
Yeah, they want a double dip. You gotta be kidding
me. That's the most bullshit. If you're the number
one guy, you should be fighting the title holder.
Yeah, this is where it starts. This is what people
hate about boxing. Whenever people criticize
boxing, this is the stuff that they're talking
about, man. Why is Virgil not fighting for a
belt? I can tell you this. If Virgil's next fight
is not for a belt, then, like, what are we doing?
Like, I mean, this is tragic. If his next fight
is not for a belt, then if he loses against Boots,
he's never going to get a belt. That's just how
it is. Unless he goes up to get a win, but I
doubt it. I hate to say it, but they keep shouting
at my guy. He's been shouting. Yeah, I mean,
that would be horrendous. I mean, hopefully...
Hopefully they can get him a title shot after
this Fandora or whoever back room. Just like
give him a shot. Word on the street is that he's
getting ducked a lot too. Or is he getting ducked
or he's not fucking fighting anybody? Well, I
know he was injured. He was injured. Like he
got surgery, but like I'm expecting him to fight
at the end of this year. This dude keeps, he's
been tweeting for months about like fighting
people, but there's just no news on his end.
This dude's a fucking Riddler, dude. He just
spills in a damn tweet. Yeah, there's no news
in it. It's like, bro, like, fight anyone. Anyone.
Even if it's like, no, just get active. I mean,
this is sort of insane. It's pretty rough to
be a boxing fan of the 154. Yeah, dude. Because
154, there's so many good fighters. I'm like,
why are fights not happening? Like, what's going
on? I know, like, where people say, oh, you gotta
let the fights wait. You gotta hold on to these
fights. But the thing is it's not even holding
up with a fight in this point Seeing if the promoters
want to play nice, you know with each other,
you know, yeah They already hold two of the belts,
you know the WBO holds one The PVC holds two
in the end top ring hold one That makes Baru
pretty prime real estate, yeah with the pvc with
the pvc uh with the pvc they're not gonna have
fundora fighting someone outside the outside
their fucking uh promotional company unless it's
for a lot of money like if it's a turkey card
you know but i don't know though they could get
if then they get another title onto fundora and
baru is not going to be and you can recycle him
into the 154 mix that they have yeah i mean i
mean yeah but the only thing is that the boots
is going to be getting that shot first Yeah.
There's no way that Virgil is going to fight
him next after he fights fucking Lubin. No? I
mean, I would hope that if Virgil beats Lubin,
then he becomes the mandatory, and maybe he could
activate that mandatory clause, but I don't know
how the functional companies work or the organizations
work with each other, you know? Because I think
you're only allowed to have one fucking, you're
not supposed to be part of one organization.
have the interim in one organization and not
be the mandatory in another. I think that's how
it works. I don't know how that bullshit works,
honestly. And this is the issue, though, because,
like, in my eyes, and, like, of course, this
is just my opinion, but, like, for me, like,
154, like, as far as, like, the king of 154 goes,
like, that really is just between Virgil and
Boots, in my opinion. Like, it is between, it's
one of those two that's going to rule this division.
And, like, that seems like the Super Bowl fight
at 154. Like, that is the best fight you can
make at 154. And I think we'll get it at the
end of next year. Yeah, I think we'll get it
end of next year. But, like, it would be nice
if one of them had a title. It would be nice.
It's not necessary, but it would be nice if one
of them had a title. I mean, Shane Mosley and
Floyd Mayweather, that wasn't for a title, but
it was still a Super Bowl fight. But this is
not Shane Mosley and Floyd Mayweather. Don't
need it, but it would be nice. It would be helpful.
Yeah. Speaking of boots. Yeah, speaking of boots.
Leesma Lima. The IBO. The fucking prestigious
IBO title. The IBO Titleist. It's gonna be on
the line here. Leesma Lima. We hardly knew ya.
Good luck, buddy. You never know. Maybe you get
to knock it over Lutz. No. That would ruin. No.
Dude, that would actually. Chance of Virgil and
Lutz. That would actually, like, shatter, like,
the boxing sphere for some time. And it's losing
to. Because this is a hometown fight, too. Yes.
John Aaron, like. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, have you
guys ever seen Lima fight? Yes, once. No, honestly.
Let me see. Hold on. He's fine. Yeah, I don't
think I've ever seen this dude fight. I mean,
he is ranked. He's ranked in the WBA, right?
Gotta be. Yeah. Maybe the Aaron McKenna fight.
Maybe. That one sounds sort of familiar, but
I don't know. But yeah, I mean, everything is
pointing to, you know, this is like a hometown,
you know, sort of laying out the mat. to boots
at 154 like you know it's it's his like red carpet
entrance uh to the division so everything it
seems to be set up for him to get you know some
flashy finish or some dominant win at 154 or
his debut fight at 154 and hopefully that's what
happens uh but yeah i mean it's this is most
likely just like set up for everything that's
to come for boots at 154 i mean we could be getting
you know maybe a boots versus majima fight in
-house. I think he also has Josh Kelly. Josh
Kelly is also, I think, with Eddie Hearn. There's
a few other fights. But yeah, everything is building.
Like we said before, these are building blocks
for Virgil vs. Boots to be made. I would love
for that fight to be made, but it's not going
to be made for a long time. I mean, Golden Boy
is kind of, they are more willing to let their
fighters at the stable, you know? As we've seen
in the past. Yeah, I mean, the whole PBC. Majima,
yeah, that was cross promotion. And honestly,
if there's a guy to fight for Virgil, it's got
to be Majima. Or for a title, but besides for
a title, Majima. Just, you know, to do the comparison,
you know? I will say it would be really whack
if, like, Boots got a title shot off of Lima,
like, directly. I feel like he has to fight one
top name. You know, like, a Majumov fight would
be... I don't know how Majumov would feel about
that. You know, he's coming off some surgery.
I forget where. Maybe he's back. But, yeah, just
one name that's, like, relevant at 154 would
be nice before a title shot. Yeah. this was like
really weird though like because you know there
was there was we knew boots was gonna be fighting
like obviously hometown and like they were looking
for an opponent but there was a bunch of rumors
on who the opponent would be and like this dude
this dude's name wasn't even tossed around until
like the last few hours or like or like the last
day uh before the fight was confirmed and it
was like sort of out of nowhere yeah it was sort
of wild like i don't know like josh kelly i thought
was gonna be the one that was gonna be made but
i guess he wanted too much money or like you
know he wanted like a saudi tight bag uh but
it didn't end up happening so my thing who the
is josh keller to be saying that you need to
pay me more money i mean you want to fight for
the same thing this is the issue this is the
issue with like saudi bags like it's like inflated
purses yeah people get spoiled you get paid once
you know who paid that for who paid that for
that much money in the past Did Turkey really
pay fucking Josh Kelly that much money? I think
he's been on, yeah, I think he's gotten one Saudi
bag. Hold up. But who did he fight that deserved
that payday? I don't think he fought anybody
worth, that would be worth that much. But just
because he was on such a big card, he got a big
cut. That'd be fucking camey. Who the fuck is
he to be saying that shit, dude? Seriously. Who
the fuck is he? Oh, wait. Yeah, hold on. He's
a fucking cocksucker. Seriously. He fought Ishmael
Davis on the Dubois Joshua card, which was, like,
Saudi -sponsored. Like, but who? Fucking Ishmael
Davis got knocked out by fucking Bochuk. That's
what I'm saying, but Saudi -sponsored. Saudi
-sponsored. Saudi wants fucking all this money
to fight fucking... He's a C -level at best.
Yeah. Not even B -level, bro. I was really hoping
they would do Boots versus Josh Kelly, to be
honest, because at least he is more of a name
than these other people, at the very least. Yeah.
I've seen Josh Kelly fights, at least. But yeah,
I mean, I guess the... Pickings vs. Lignum. He's
got a recognizable name at the least. Yeah. Some
people at least. But yeah, that's what they said
about Lignum. So yeah, we will be watching boots
vs. Lignum. So the WBA rankings, Terrence Crawford
has the full title. Ioannis Tejas is the interim
champ. Probably going to be elevated after, what,
two weeks from now? Something like that, three
weeks. Well, Ioannis is not really champ anymore.
Oh yeah, not him, but the number one contender
was Abbas Barrow, who beat Tejas, we'll talk
about in a little bit, or I think next time.
Yeah, next time. And then Drawn Ennis is number
two. That's fucking ridiculous. Jesus Rambo is
number four. That's a solid fight right there.
Jesus Ramos deserves that shot way more than
freaking Ramos. I think they should have fought.
Them two should have fought. Dude, boots versus
Ramos. That's a crazy good fight. I would favor
boots for sure, but Ramos, that's about as big
of a test as you can get at 154. That is a tremendous
fight. That is a tremendous fight. I think that
this whole 154 situation is kind of bullshit
now. You look back on it, it's starting to look
bad. I mean, they have fucking Jamal Charlo coming
back. I mean, come on. Oh, the hint that he's
going to be fighting Spence? Spence, Spendora.
He's talking about fighting Bud. He's talking
about fighting Virgil, Boots. He's literally
called out everyone. I guarantee you the WBA
is going to fucking rank his ass like one when
he comes back. Or the WBC. Either one of them.
I don't know what kind of dirt fucking Charlo
has on these people, dude. Just champ and resource
type of situation. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, come on.
I don't know what the hell is up with these TBC
fighters, especially the WBA. The WBA loves PBC.
It's like how WBO loves Top Rank. I mean, I could
talk about the WBA with fucking Gervonta Davis
himself, but I could talk about shit all day.
Gross. It's fucking gross. I mean, demoting a
fighter, taking away a fighter's champion status
to elevate someone else, you know what I mean?
It's fucking bullshit. Fucking WBA, they're a
wild card, you know? Wait, you know one thing
I just realized? What? Whenever... I've thought
about this before, but I guess we're closer to
it now. Whenever Bud steps in to fight Canelo,
is that when he gets stripped? Does the belt
vacate at that point? Or what's happening with
that belt? That's supposed to be the kill switch,
but they're probably not going to do that. They'll
wait a few days until afterwards to see if he's
going to go back down or not. That's bullshit.
Seriously. And the point that... You know, at
the point where he gets stripped, who then? Is
someone elevated to champion? Or is it like a
bacon skew? Damn. Oh, my God. David Barreau becoming
a champion before a virtual is crazy. Oh, my
God. That is. It's ridiculous. Man. Super fucking
ridiculous. And Barreau. Isn't Barreau a PBC
fighter? I don't know who said it, but someone
said that Barreau is a PBC fighter. Is he? Someone
said that. I said that he was an MVP fighter.
And someone told me he was a PBC fighter. Yeah,
time to look him up. Or he might be with some
small -time promoter like... Yeah. He lost to
Jack Colt Kay. That's fun. I'm not seeing who
he's with. Coached by Adam Booth. Oh, wait. Is
he with Wasserman? Wasserman box? He might actually
be with Wasserman. If he's with Wasserman, then
Wasserman's with... Wasserman's small time, though.
Yeah. I don't fucking know. Moving to David Allen
versus Arslanbek Makhmudov. The Neanderthal gets,
continues to put him together, I guess, until
he gets a shot at David Allen. I don't know.
Yeah, this is, man, this is about as, like, this
sort of sums up the state of the heavyweight
division. Dyer. I mean, this is, in terms of
name value, Makhmudov used to be something. Dave
Allen right now is right in the high on his knockout
over Johnny Fisher. It was a really nice knockout,
but it was Johnny Fisher. But yeah, this is just...
I'm going to watch it, but this is not big boxing,
I guess. I will say as far as matchmaking goes,
I guess this is sort of on the better end. At
least it's... I mean, they aren't can crushing,
at least. Yeah, I mean, I mean they're equal
they are equal to yeah, yeah What are they even
they're they're ratings Let's have a look My
boot off like number 12 So good top dish no No.
That's crazy. He's 77th. At that point, he needs
to fight Richard Torres Jr. 77th and Makhmudov
is 31st. That's box rec, so. Wait a minute. In
a way, Jelalov. Jelalov is ranked higher? What?
Pretty crazy. i mean but yeah i mean this isn't
elite makhmudov i mean bro it's been years since
he was like really a name a heavyweight yeah
it's been a while i mean he's gotta he's gotta
fight my mood i was gonna fight like tours or
something torres gotta fight something like him
wins this even like this is so like plotty Or
like, you know, heavyweight power type fights.
Yeah. I'm trying to think who even wins this.
I'm going to go with David Allen just because
it would be funny. Yeah, I mean. That's really
it. Yeah, I'm probably going to be backing Dave
Allen. I'm going to back my McMurdo just to be
silly. Yeah. Yeah, I could flip a coin. Really,
that's who I'll pick. I don't really care. All
that much. I'm sure the Brits will be riding
with their white rhino. Y 'all ever taken white
rhino? Definitely patient about it. Let's skip
ahead to the fucking recaps just because there's
not a whole lot else after that. So the timing
will work out pretty nicely. Provox at the Provox
event center. In Florida. This was on YouTube.
If you're not watching ProBucks, you fucking
should be. Just some highlights. Gary Antonio
Russell gets a UD over Dervin Rodriguez. He's
a 122 fighter, and he's not very good. Another
Russell, though. Yeah, he's got to keep himself
in the family business. Marques Valle gets a
stoppage in one over Luis Georges. Starling Castillo
over Chouinard Bunch. And the headline, Muhammad
Kuja Yakubov. Majority decision over William
Foster III. Yakub, you demon person. That's it.
Out of the light. That is very light. We got
two more cards, but they're all... Well, one
of them is also really light. Omar Trinidad gets
the draw. Fucking scrapes it out over Lorenzo
Parra. And Mizuki Hiruta, UD over Naomi Gomez.
So that's fun. And the meat of the dish, the
British... promoters came together to put together
a Riyadh season card that had Hayato Tsutsumi
stoppage in three over Kais Ashfak. Sorry, Saudis.
Gonna have to try better than that. Filip Hergovich
gets the UD over David Adelaide. Dude, this fight
was actually, like, really good. Especially,
like, one round. I forget. It was, like, round
eight or something like that. where Hergovich
got, like, no, he dropped Adelaide. And then,
like, towards the end of the round, like, Adelaide
rallied back and was, like, battering Hergovich.
Like, somehow Hergovich didn't go down, but,
like, it was, like, multiple hooks that he had
landed on Hergovich. I mean, that one round was
actually pretty crazy. But, yeah, Hergovich came
up with the win. Adelaide's gas tank was just,
like, non -existent. You know how bad your guys
think is to gas before her, bitch? When you put
it that way. Corrupted. Yeah. Ray Ford over Abraham
Nova. It was Tom and Jerry Trunks, man. Was it?
I think he was actually wearing Tom and Jerry
Trunks. Right? Yeah. People are taking that Tom
and Jerry shit a little too much to heart. I
mean, you know who the ones that are taking it
to heart? Tom and Jerry people? Tom and Jerry
people, yeah. I mean, Ray Ford's not too much
of a Tom and Jerry guy, but I was surprised.
I'm like, dude, nobody was talking about you.
Like, seriously. Yeah, this was sort of a weird
fight. I mean, Nova coming in on a late replacement.
Ford said that he was going to get him out of
there. There was a lot of trash talk in the press
conference, but the fight wasn't. Super crazy.
It was sort of a weird play. Nova did hurt Ford
a little bit in the beginning. I'm not going
to lie. But that was for a small amount of time.
That's what I was saying, though. Ford should
have looked way better against Nova. Yeah, for
sure. Yeah, he should have looked way better.
Yeah, I mean, he could have won at least. I don't
know. What does Ford do next? I mean, there's
only one guy I think you should fight next. In
my opinion. Because you're supposed to fight
Kikachi. Dude, Nunes would mess him up bad. Nunes
would mess him up real bad. Good -ass fight,
though. I feel like, no, yeah, yeah. Just because
I think Nunes would win doesn't mean we shouldn't
get it. I would be down for that fight. Yeah,
I mean, did Kikachi duck? That fight was supposed
to happen on this card. And it didn't happen.
Pikachu just should have abandoned this fight.
They were scheduled and should have abandoned.
Who's that guy you like? Floyd Schofield. But
he's at 135. 135. We'll talk about him next week.
Actually, we got some stuff about it. Some rumors.
That's Saul's boy. That's my boy, yeah. That's
my man. Floyd Schofield, if you're watching this,
I've been supporting you since day one, dawg.
Nick Ball has a performance. Dude, this was not
good. This was not good. I was sort of expecting
Nick Ball to nuke this dude. The only thing I
really left this fight with was that one. Now
you in a way would have absolutely nuked Sam
Goodman. probably early and two nick ball is
mid bro this dude does not you know i i actually
used to think nick ball versus in a way would
have been a competitive fight no longer and this
is after the do any fight and this this the fight
with goodman just completely like solidified
that that thought process nick ball is not good
bro he is not good and this man just Okay, yeah,
go ahead. No, actually, no, finish it, finish
it. I was going to say he's not good, bro. Like,
I think he loses to a few other fighters at this
weight division, not just, you know, in a way.
Yeah, dude, this was not a good performance,
man. I mean, Goodman had some success as well,
and this was, like, sort of the weird part. There
were some rounds where he had some success. And
he was landed on ball. But yeah, this was just
not a good performance from ball. I mean, some
of us even thought they kind of won the fight.
I don't know about that. I thought ball won.
Yeah, I thought ball won, which is not a good
performance. Yeah, I mean, some of us in the
group, though, always have like some wild scorecard.
There's always one person that has some egregious
scorecard. Yeah. Of the other title holders,
even though he's moving up, I'll still mention
him. Stephen Fulton, fucking clown stickball.
Oh, dude. So bad. So bad. Not even a little bit
close. That's pretty much a free bill. I don't
think it would happen, but that's a free bill
for Fulton. Rafael Espinoza also beats his ass.
Probably KO. I think, yeah. I was about to say,
I think Rafael could stop him. That fight would
look hilarious, bro. Oh, my God. The size difference
between Ball and Espinosa would be hilarious.
Angel, Angel, Leo would be a pretty good fight.
That would be a good one. Also, a good fight,
yeah. It'd be a nice war. I think Leo would get
it done. You guys want to hear something atrocious?
What? I'm really contemplating on saying this
because I feel like I'm going to get clowned
on. But I'm just gonna say anyways I think I
don't think I'm sure this I don't think in a
way I don't think Bobby's in a way, of course
not but I Mean anyway going up to 126. He's already
been dropped multiple times at 122 So he goes
up to 126 and he gets hit by a ball shot pause
Like I mean, yeah, Val doesn't have power for
guys that had his own weight class, but guys
that are, like, you know, under the weight class,
you never know. Sam Goodman's under the weight
class, though. He was moving up to 126 as well.
Yeah, but how many weight divisions was Sam Goodman
in before 122? Good question. I don't know. Because
anyways, he's come all the way up from freaking,
what is it, 115 or 118? Lower than 115. Oh, it's
112, right? No, I think he skipped 112. I think
he started at 108. Oh, okay. Dude, Saul, I'm
going to be real with you, boss. Inouye nukes
Ball probably like around 6 -7. Yeah, there's
no question that he doesn't nuke Ball, but it's
like it's going to be dangerous still for Inouye
because he is going up in weight still, you know?
It's like when Sugar Ray Leonard fought Daniel
Lalonde, you know? Daniel Lalonde wasn't a good...
Wasn't a really good fighter, but he was still
dangerous. The weight division, the weight difference
made it dangerous. I mean, yeah. And that's partially
why. I mean, I used to think that Ball would
be competitive with Inoue. And probably, you
know, I used to think he could beat him. But
I just think Inoue is too smart. I think Ball's
style isn't what you need to beat Inoue, even
with the weight difference. Like, you have to
be a little bit smarter. I mean, probably, like,
a better boxer, and that's not what Ball is.
He's more of a brawler. Yeah, he tried to be
a boxer this time, and it didn't go very well.
Yeah, I mean, there was moments of success that
Sam Goodman was having, even, like, sort of in
the later rounds. I mean, you know, he didn't
really win a lot of rounds, but he had certain
moments where he did do good work. I don't think
he has the package. He doesn't have the tools
necessary, really, to... to be in a way, in my
opinion. I don't think so either, but at the
same time, I mean, look, this guy beat Ray Ford.
Even that was like... It was a robbery. I think
it was a robbery as well. But, you know. Either
way, I don't want to sound like I'm trying to
support Nick Ball. I hope he loses his title.
I was praying he loses his title against fucking
Sam Goodman. But, in my opinion, I just think
that that weight jumper, in a way, another weight
class like that, Any fighter he fights is going
to knock him out. But not going to knock him
out. No, no, no, no, no. He has a chance of knocking
him down. That's the better way to put it. Well,
pretty much anyone has a chance of knocking him
down, as we have learned. Yeah, but at 126, it's
a lot more dangerous. True. That jump is pretty
gnarly. No. But that's my opinion. That's my
opinion. Anybody at 126 besides Stephen Bolton,
well, probably has a better chance of knocking
down in a way. Did Fulton cut off his rat tail?
Yeah, thank God. It is? Oh, good. I was just
thinking, like, is that something he started
wearing? Like, he grew it out, like, I'll cut
it off when someone beats me kind of thing? That's
actually hilarious. That would be funny if that's
what he did. Oh, was it? Garden also has a rat
tail, no? Yeah, he does. Yeah, man, there's too
many of those. Too many of those going around.
Isaac, I thought you had a rat tail at one point.
No, no, that's never been the case. I know you
got a mullet going, right? I know you got that
mullet going. Mullets are fashionable right now.
Yeah, so I got that mullet going. I don't got
a mullet, bro. No, I know you got that mullet.
I've never had a mullet. Moses Atalma stops Dillian
White in the first. Not even remotely competitive.
Is this Dillian White being complete garbage?
Or is Atalma the truth? I think it's a mix of
both. I think it's most likely a mix of both.
White is beyond wash. Before we move on, White
is talking about... How this isn't the end. He's
going to come back. He needs to retire. He's
got to hang him up. This is beyond over. His
legs are gone. Balance gone. We saw in the Teta
fight, he gassed. It's not good. He's going to
keep getting hurt. He didn't get flatlined here
at least. He got pretty much beat up the entire
fight. He was on the ropes, barely hanging on.
And tied by being 90 seconds. Yeah, this was
bad. But yeah, I mean, Ntama, you know, did what
we expected him to do, especially considering
White, you know, his current state. But yeah,
I mean, Ntama, good man for, you know, he did
exactly what he was supposed to do in this type
of competition. Yeah, that's true. But, yeah,
I'm really excited to see who they match him
up with next, though, because, like, it's going
to be that type of step up where, you know, now
we're going to see how are you going to do if
the fight goes, you know, round five, round six,
and, you know, this is an elite competition.
You know, I've heard a few names tossed around.
One of the big ones being Herkovich, who just
beat David Adelaide and other... UK fighter.
So it's... I'd actually be down to see that fight.
Yeah, it's a reason. We're also hearing... We're
also hearing a fucking Otama versus Usyk. Yeah,
dude. Yeah, that's... I know Turkey himself has
been going... Like, he's been wanting that fight.
But, dude, he's... What is it? Otama's 20 years
old? Yeah, that's Russian. Like, come on, bro.
Let this dude... Let this dude fight someone.
Somebody sack up and tell him to sit the fuck
down. Like, dude, that's a stupid fight to make.
That is dumb. Do not do that. I'm going to ruin
this dude's career. Like, let him build up to
this point. I don't know about ruin, but it would
really set it back. Seriously derail it. Yeah,
considering how he built. But I will say, if
he did fight Usyk, I will say that would be pretty
crazy because, I don't know, I think that fucking,
like, Talma, he just, he might. He might surprise
us all. You never know. He's got the good...
No. Well, hold on, hold on, hold on. I don't
know about that. Okay, I've been kind of like
glazing Brits a little bit too much today, so
I got to stop after this. But I will say this.
Itama passed the dye test for me. I mean, yeah.
But like, you're talking about... Okay, I want
you to think about this. How big is the gap between
current Dillian White? And Alexander Usyk. How
big is that gap? That gap's fucking crazy. It's
like a double boogie type gap. It's Grand Canyon.
I'm not saying Usyk's like Dillian White. I'm
not even saying that the fight should happen.
I think that is a dumb fight as well. But the
thing is that, honestly, that would be a crazy
-ass fight to watch. As a Pocky fan myself, Just
for like pure spectacle, I would much rather
watch that than a Joseph Parker versus Usyk fight.
Because I know for sure Joseph Parker's not winning
that fight. I know that guaranteed. Yeah, but
I'm pretty sure Italma wouldn't win either. See,
the thing is that you can make the argument,
I'm going to try to make the argument that I
think Italma has a better chance of beating Usyk
than fucking Joseph Parker. Okay, see, that is
a more like... That is a more reasonable type
of argument that you can make, but I do think
that Usyk still beats him. The speed advantage
is not... Itama wouldn't have the same type of
speed advantage. I think Itama is probably faster,
but he's not as fast as the opponents he's been
facing. Usyk isn't that slow. He's not as slow
as White. He's not as slow as the Australian
dude he fought. And laid out. I mean, Usyk is
much faster, but on top of that, Usyk is more
experienced. He's smarter. And this is the thing
as well. Usyk wouldn't even be that much smaller
than a Tama if they fought. He would not be that
much smaller. And we know Usyk can hang with
bigger dudes. I mean, it's... Yeah. Tama's only
been knocking out cans, so the thing is we don't
really know if that power is really going to
carry over to the regular contenders. You know?
But, hey, call me crazy. Call me crazy, okay?
I'm just saying, out of all the heavyweights
right now, besides Deontay Wilder, why was I
telling him he's got the best shot against this?
Call me crazy. But I'm not saying that. That's
pretty wild, man. Well, seriously, who else do
you think can, besides Cabo, actually, I take
it back. Besides Cabo, yeah. Cabo, yeah. That's
what I was going to say. Cabo, yeah. Cabo, yeah.
His body shots. I think Moses Thomas is a better
shot than Parker. The Wilder thing was kind of
a joke, by the way. That was also a joke for
anybody listening. That's a joke. This is also
a Wilder thing as well. First of all, the heavyweight
division is in a bit of a dire state at the moment.
It's in the middle of a guard change. A lot of
people are leaving. There's just not a lot of
super top talent as well. I mean... I don't know,
man. I feel like the... Like, how do you rate
Atama really? Like, yes, he nuked White. That
is good to see. It is a good indicator of, you
know, him being good. But, like, I need to see
him tested more. I need to see him... I need,
like, before I can, like, accurately sort of
start to guess how Usyk versus Atama would really
go. I need to see, you know, how would a Tomo
do versus a Michael Herkovich? You know, like,
how would he do versus, you know, another name
that was a good one. Yeah. I think Joseph Parker
would be a perfect fight for him. If he were
to, like, if they were to try to have him fight
Usyk, that would be a perfect fight. Yeah, that'd
be a good setup. Yeah. Yeah. I think Mosley Thomas
should fight a Richard Torres Jr. next, in my
opinion. Oh, dude. Well, I can step up from fucking
Dillian White. Yeah, but I don't want to see
my boy get laid out either. I mean, Richard Torres
is my boy. Hey, you never know. That would be
hilarious, but I'm going to be honest with you,
I don't think that happens. I don't think that
happens. No, that's just wishful thinking. Yeah,
but I mean, going back to it, like I do think,
I mean, Atama even said it himself in the post
-fight interview whenever they asked him. He
said he is willing to fight Usyk next, but, like,
he does think that Joseph Parker deserves that
title shot. And, like, if we're going on merit,
Joseph Parker probably deserves that title shot.
He's in a big win streak. I mean, the whole,
the circumstances revolving around that Bacoli
fight are a bit weird, with it being a short
notice, but he probably deserves it. Yeah, I
mean, it's, you know, I'm... What I'm most excited
about is what is the next opponent for Atama.
And you know what the cool part here is, is that
Atama beat Didion White in like, you know, less
than half a round, really. So no damage. It's
not like his cardio was really super tested.
So we could really, we could see him again end
of year, really. And he's young. hopefully they
can get that scheduled for him. Frank Warren
is a decent promoter, so hopefully they get someone
good for him. I mean, realistically, the most
realistic fight would probably be probably either
Hergovich or maybe even Parker. I feel like Hergovich
most likely. If Jean comes back, maybe, but he
is also... We saw it in the... in the copy i'll
find man he looked bad um just like zero gas
thing who is who is um who is hergevich with
weaver right who's this promoter who is frank
i thought he was frank warren hergevich is frank
warren yeah oh no no he's with um no he's with
uh mushroom oh okay so i'd have to be I mean,
I guess Eddie has worked with the Saudis before,
so it wouldn't be impossible. Yeah, I'm trying
to think who else. Oh, dude, wait a minute. What
if they did... Oh, this would be crazy. Dubois
versus Atama. Oh, you know what? Actually, that's
not bad. And that's in -house as well. In -house.
And Dubois is a pretty big name, too. For the
bridge? You know, if Atoma beats Dubois, now
we're really talking, okay, Atoma actually deserves
a potential shot here if he beats Dubois. Like,
that is a real elite name, top of the division.
Like, you know, we're talking about he's putting
some weight behind his name now. I got a good
one. I got a good one. Tyson Fury. Oh, come on.
Oh, my God, no. The issue with Tyson is that
he's wanting these massive purses now. That's
why he's trying to retire, un -retire as a negotiating
type. He wants these 90 million, 80 million plus
type purses. That's really only going to happen
with the likes of Usyk or Joshua. Anthony Joshua.
Yeah. Well, damn. Yeah, it's a bright future,
man. Thomas' future is indeed bright. It's good
to see. Jared Anderson, how about that? No, that's
not happening. Oh, man. Frank Warren and Bob
Arum get on pretty well. Yeah, I mean, Frank
Warren is British. You know, Bob Arum. Yeah.
All right. If that's it, that's all we got. Unless
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Darren Till versus Tony Ferguson? Hell yeah.
Is that what we got? It's the biggest we got.
It's the best we got. Wow. Missed it. Our cup
runneth over. Oh my goodness. But there we go.
My steak is too juicy. My lobster is too fat.
Lobster's buttery. Can't handle it. Parting words.
hold tight we've been in these spots before these
type of light weeks but it gets better the end
of the year is on the way and you know for boxing
the end of the year is top tier so yeah just
hold tight I don't know about good car, but it's
all right. It's all right. It's all right. Coast
leads is fighting. After this week, we're going
to enter the promised land. Okay? I guarantee
you guys. Yeah, once we hit the autumn season.
Yeah. End of this 500 days of summer crap. Oh,
God. At least we got some rain over here. That
was nice. Oh, yeah. right if that's it then that's
it for this edition of the boxing besides we'll
see you on the other side of oh darren till and
tony ferguson goodness gracious i'm so excited
all right see you on the other side