WEBVTT 00:00:00.819 --> 00:00:04.200 The B -Side in boxing. B -Side shit. B -Side. 00:00:04.280 --> 00:00:06.839 B -Side. And the B -Side. You got a B -Side. 00:00:06.900 --> 00:00:10.380 The B -Side. B -Side. B -Side. B -Side. The B 00:00:10.380 --> 00:00:13.779 -Side thing. This is the B -Sides Boxing Podcast. 00:00:20.519 --> 00:00:22.640 Yeah, we already started, by the way. No intro. 00:00:22.760 --> 00:00:28.620 Just roll. Nah, I still gotta do the... Boxing 00:00:28.620 --> 00:00:33.219 B -sides. Boxing fucking B -sides. Boxing B -sides. 00:00:33.539 --> 00:00:39.299 What mess was that before the clap? You're going 00:00:39.299 --> 00:00:42.219 to have to go to fucking Patreon to find out. 00:00:42.479 --> 00:00:44.600 Dude, eating three triple burgers, you're getting 00:00:44.600 --> 00:00:49.619 the fucking clap. Jesus Christ. Dan Raphael. 00:00:50.340 --> 00:00:58.380 Dan Raphael. Oh, man. Joined by the homies Saul 00:00:58.380 --> 00:01:02.899 and Josh. How are you guys doing? We're good. 00:01:03.340 --> 00:01:06.980 We're good, we're good. We also have our special 00:01:06.980 --> 00:01:11.180 guest. Yeah, it's a crossover episode with Isaac. 00:01:11.400 --> 00:01:16.959 Here we go again. The rematch. Still not quite 00:01:16.959 --> 00:01:23.700 the B -sides versus casuals 2v2. But we all know 00:01:23.700 --> 00:01:25.760 that B -Side wins because it's boxing, so, you 00:01:25.760 --> 00:01:29.859 know. And boxing, yeah. Hey, we got tears. I 00:01:29.859 --> 00:01:34.040 do love me some boxing. I do love me some boxing. 00:01:34.859 --> 00:01:37.319 Yeah, you'd be surprised at how much boxing chatter 00:01:37.319 --> 00:01:41.439 goes on over there. Yeah. I will be honest, though. 00:01:41.500 --> 00:01:43.959 I will be honest that UFC these past couple weeks 00:01:43.959 --> 00:01:45.859 hasn't mattered in boxing, though. I will say. 00:01:46.540 --> 00:01:48.719 I got to hand it to you guys. Bro, this month, 00:01:48.900 --> 00:01:53.189 August, has been dire for boxing. It's been the 00:01:53.189 --> 00:01:56.109 most dire month of boxing in probably years, 00:01:56.150 --> 00:01:59.969 dude. Honestly. It's been a long time. I don't 00:01:59.969 --> 00:02:02.989 know, man. Matchroom Fight Camp was probably 00:02:02.989 --> 00:02:06.670 the worst month I've ever had in my life of boxing. 00:02:07.290 --> 00:02:10.409 When Eddie Hearn did that bullshit in his backyard. 00:02:10.750 --> 00:02:14.009 Since the pandemic, yeah. Okay, this is the worst. 00:02:14.210 --> 00:02:16.610 This is the worst. I was going to say, Fight 00:02:16.610 --> 00:02:20.580 Camp... This is horseshit. They tried to pretend 00:02:20.580 --> 00:02:25.500 that Alan Babbage was going to be... We got Alan 00:02:25.500 --> 00:02:32.120 Babbage's rise where he proposed to his girlfriend 00:02:32.120 --> 00:02:37.819 and shit after beating some drunk guy who was 00:02:37.819 --> 00:02:41.060 sitting in a food truck 30 minutes before he 00:02:41.060 --> 00:02:44.139 got out there. I mean, it's just a symptom of 00:02:44.139 --> 00:02:45.960 a changing sport right now. That's why it's kind 00:02:45.960 --> 00:02:48.080 of bad right now. Top Brain can't put on any 00:02:48.080 --> 00:02:51.699 shows. Bold and Boy lacks, you know, fighters 00:02:51.699 --> 00:02:52.939 to put on shows. Bold and Boy lacks everything. 00:02:53.620 --> 00:02:55.960 Yeah, they lack everything. Matchroom, their 00:02:55.960 --> 00:02:57.979 fighters just recently fought, or they're going 00:02:57.979 --> 00:02:59.680 to be put on a rehab season fight. You know, 00:02:59.719 --> 00:03:02.419 it was all downhill. It was all downhill when 00:03:02.419 --> 00:03:06.520 Triller went out of business. That's when it 00:03:06.520 --> 00:03:09.500 was downhill. That's a deep cut. The real Nexus 00:03:09.500 --> 00:03:19.000 one. I can't. I heard. Angela would say BLK crime 00:03:19.000 --> 00:03:22.560 on a podcast that's been stuck in my head for 00:03:22.560 --> 00:03:25.580 years at this point. Well, I think we must be 00:03:25.580 --> 00:03:27.259 woke then because we would never say that type 00:03:27.259 --> 00:03:30.180 of shit. Yeah, we're left -wing grifting, guys. 00:03:30.219 --> 00:03:34.020 We would never say BLK crime. Yeah. BLK crime. 00:03:34.180 --> 00:03:37.419 Who would say that? No one would ever say that 00:03:37.419 --> 00:03:39.599 to describe a shady money laundering front that 00:03:39.599 --> 00:03:41.319 would give Terrence Crawford more money than 00:03:41.319 --> 00:03:44.460 God. That is fucking nutty. We're going to get 00:03:44.460 --> 00:03:49.500 fucking canceled. Saul, you mentioned symptoms 00:03:49.500 --> 00:03:53.819 of a changing sport. So I wanted to ask the Ali 00:03:53.819 --> 00:03:58.319 Act. What are they calling it? The Ali Revival? 00:03:58.360 --> 00:04:02.180 Boxing Revival Act now? The changes that they're 00:04:02.180 --> 00:04:07.620 proposing to it? The Muhammad Ali Boxing Revival 00:04:07.620 --> 00:04:13.180 Act. There it is. Some bullshit. It actually 00:04:13.180 --> 00:04:15.780 is bullshit. It is an attempt to screw over the 00:04:15.780 --> 00:04:17.660 fighters. It's very blatant. That's what it's 00:04:17.660 --> 00:04:19.540 trying to do. This is trying to change it to, 00:04:19.560 --> 00:04:24.000 like, the UFC model, right? Yeah. Yeah, there's 00:04:24.000 --> 00:04:25.879 going to be a minimum, but it also basically 00:04:25.879 --> 00:04:29.139 gets rid of the, like, your promoter can't be 00:04:29.139 --> 00:04:30.980 your manager shit. That was the whole purpose 00:04:30.980 --> 00:04:35.319 of the act to begin with. It's bullshit, you 00:04:35.319 --> 00:04:36.699 know? I don't know why they're trying to change 00:04:36.699 --> 00:04:39.860 that shit. It's like, it basically throws out, 00:04:39.980 --> 00:04:43.680 like, the... I think the boxing fan misunderstands 00:04:43.680 --> 00:04:46.220 the purpose. The average boxing fan misunderstands 00:04:46.220 --> 00:04:50.079 the purpose of the Muhammad Ali Act. Because 00:04:50.079 --> 00:04:52.860 it's just like... The purpose isn't like a universal 00:04:52.860 --> 00:04:57.060 act to help fighters. It's like a very specific 00:04:57.060 --> 00:05:00.839 law meant to protect fighters from something 00:05:00.839 --> 00:05:02.680 that's screwed over Muhammad Ali specifically. 00:05:05.360 --> 00:05:08.860 And it's a really good act. Yeah, like the whole... 00:05:09.180 --> 00:05:12.019 Like, the whole point of your manager not being 00:05:12.019 --> 00:05:16.040 able to be your promoter as well is because it's 00:05:16.040 --> 00:05:20.920 so you can have two A, two voices, as well as 00:05:20.920 --> 00:05:25.139 your own, and so you don't get fucked. Like, 00:05:25.180 --> 00:05:27.259 your manager is supposed to be in your best interest 00:05:27.259 --> 00:05:29.399 and your promoter isn't. Yeah. But when they're 00:05:29.399 --> 00:05:32.519 the same person, usually you get fucked over. 00:05:33.560 --> 00:05:35.560 You have to fight Larry Holmes when you're fucking... 00:05:35.959 --> 00:05:38.040 You have to fight Larry Holmes and Trevor Burbick 00:05:38.040 --> 00:05:41.480 when you belong in a fucking literal care facility. 00:05:42.600 --> 00:05:45.759 Exactly. Tim Witherspoon getting dragged out 00:05:45.759 --> 00:05:48.860 of fucking rehab to fight a world title fight. 00:05:50.120 --> 00:05:52.980 Larry Holmes basically made no fucking money 00:05:52.980 --> 00:05:57.980 his whole career because of this guy. This act 00:05:57.980 --> 00:06:01.420 exists not because... The whole pretense is like... 00:06:01.560 --> 00:06:03.139 The reason why they're probably going to end 00:06:03.139 --> 00:06:05.079 up passing the revival act is because people 00:06:05.079 --> 00:06:07.240 don't know what the purpose of the original is. 00:06:07.980 --> 00:06:11.060 Not even that. It's just they know why it's connected 00:06:11.060 --> 00:06:14.480 to the White House. Yeah. No, but just, like, 00:06:14.500 --> 00:06:16.720 in terms of the, like, court of public opinion, 00:06:16.819 --> 00:06:20.860 I guess. Because, like, so many people would 00:06:20.860 --> 00:06:23.740 just be like, see, fighters aren't protected 00:06:23.740 --> 00:06:25.959 enough by the Muhammad Ali act. And I'm like, 00:06:26.060 --> 00:06:29.939 no, that's not the point of it. The point is 00:06:29.939 --> 00:06:32.459 so Bob Arum can't go, hey, I'm going to kill 00:06:32.459 --> 00:06:36.220 your whole family if you don't fight. I don't 00:06:36.220 --> 00:06:39.060 care that you're on drugs. They've been talking 00:06:39.060 --> 00:06:43.379 about, we're going to make sure fighters have 00:06:43.379 --> 00:06:48.560 full coverage insurance. I've seen it in the 00:06:48.560 --> 00:06:53.660 UFC, man. The TKO thing, Dana White crossing 00:06:53.660 --> 00:06:57.040 over into boxing. I've seen it, man. The pay 00:06:57.040 --> 00:06:58.939 model is not good over there. They make a really 00:06:58.939 --> 00:07:02.579 low percentage of the total revenue. It's not 00:07:02.579 --> 00:07:07.139 good. Even the new minimum that they're going 00:07:07.139 --> 00:07:09.800 to institute is lower than the actual minimum 00:07:09.800 --> 00:07:16.000 in most states. Yeah. The minimum in most states 00:07:16.000 --> 00:07:20.220 is a little lower than the proposed minimum in 00:07:20.220 --> 00:07:23.920 the bill, but state minimums are after taxes. 00:07:25.180 --> 00:07:27.540 versus the minimums that are proposed in the 00:07:27.540 --> 00:07:31.120 bill where like let's say you take home 900 bucks 00:07:31.120 --> 00:07:36.480 before for like a three or four rounder but that's 00:07:36.480 --> 00:07:39.500 after taxes you take that home the way the the 00:07:39.500 --> 00:07:42.339 bill structured is like okay it's a minimum thousand 00:07:42.339 --> 00:07:44.620 bucks but then you have to pay taxes on all of 00:07:44.620 --> 00:07:49.459 it is the take home does that include like paying 00:07:49.459 --> 00:07:53.660 your coach and your cornerman and all that no 00:07:53.660 --> 00:07:59.160 no so like so like like the whole part of the 00:07:59.160 --> 00:08:02.180 argument used by like the tko stuff is oh these 00:08:02.180 --> 00:08:05.079 guys only take home like 750 bucks for fighting 00:08:05.079 --> 00:08:07.180 and i'm like but that's after everything's paid 00:08:07.180 --> 00:08:12.420 for in some way because the state ensures that 00:08:12.420 --> 00:08:16.139 right yeah and your man you have a manager who 00:08:16.139 --> 00:08:22.949 is not your promoter who is acting in your best 00:08:22.949 --> 00:08:25.329 interest. Right, the promoter acts in the best 00:08:25.329 --> 00:08:28.310 interest of the event. Themselves. Right. But 00:08:28.310 --> 00:08:31.430 the way the bill is structured, which is why 00:08:31.430 --> 00:08:35.830 the UFC is so fucked, is that the promoter and 00:08:35.830 --> 00:08:37.809 the manager are the exact same. The manager is 00:08:37.809 --> 00:08:39.730 going to say, you're taking this cut, I'm basically 00:08:39.730 --> 00:08:45.110 pocketing the rest. It is in the combined manager 00:08:45.110 --> 00:08:50.559 -promoter's best interest to fuck you. I mean, 00:08:50.559 --> 00:08:53.000 like you said, this is the issue. Not enough 00:08:53.000 --> 00:08:57.480 people know what the act really is. So it's just 00:08:57.480 --> 00:09:01.840 going to get blown by. People go, oh, Al -Hayman 00:09:01.840 --> 00:09:03.940 violates the Muhammad Ali act. But the thing 00:09:03.940 --> 00:09:12.200 is, all these fighters have managers that then 00:09:12.200 --> 00:09:15.820 work through Hayman. Hayman is a manager for 00:09:15.820 --> 00:09:19.779 some, right? Yeah, but then... Then you have 00:09:19.779 --> 00:09:22.059 your, like, Lou DiBella. Like, then there's other 00:09:22.059 --> 00:09:25.279 promoters. It's never... He's never in the same... 00:09:25.279 --> 00:09:30.320 Samson, DiBella, yeah, Loeffler even, yeah. All 00:09:30.320 --> 00:09:32.360 these guys... So that's what I mean. Like, because 00:09:32.360 --> 00:09:35.279 of the act, it's not... Al Heyman is shaking 00:09:35.279 --> 00:09:39.000 hands with himself on something. Right. He sits 00:09:39.000 --> 00:09:42.539 at one end of the table only. Even if they all 00:09:42.539 --> 00:09:45.840 have a cooperative relationship, the fighters 00:09:45.840 --> 00:09:47.840 still end up getting the best deal they can. 00:09:48.490 --> 00:09:51.990 as a result of this act. And we're just going 00:09:51.990 --> 00:09:55.309 to turn that on its head. This is what fucking 00:09:55.309 --> 00:09:58.570 Dana White's been waiting for, right? Yeah, like 00:09:58.570 --> 00:10:02.929 he basically turns boxing into a fucking Walmart 00:10:02.929 --> 00:10:07.870 job. In my opinion, I think TKO's is going to 00:10:07.870 --> 00:10:11.070 become another boxing promotional company. Either 00:10:11.070 --> 00:10:13.350 that or it's going to become like OTX. But it's 00:10:13.350 --> 00:10:17.340 a net negative. if they get the act passed, though, 00:10:17.379 --> 00:10:21.379 just because, like, let's assume, like, let's 00:10:21.379 --> 00:10:24.879 assume PBC and, like, Al Heyman stay, like, with 00:10:24.879 --> 00:10:28.899 the, like, the moral, like, well, mostly moral 00:10:28.899 --> 00:10:32.379 cooperative arrangement they have, where, like, 00:10:32.399 --> 00:10:35.600 he doesn't sit at both sides of the table at 00:10:35.600 --> 00:10:41.759 one time. But, like, obviously, like, like, Frank 00:10:41.759 --> 00:10:43.860 Warren and Bob Arum, it's the good old days again. 00:10:47.679 --> 00:10:49.539 And, like... They're creaming at the thought 00:10:49.539 --> 00:10:52.059 of that shit. Yeah, like, Bob Arum will live 00:10:52.059 --> 00:10:55.179 another 20 years off of the fucking souls he 00:10:55.179 --> 00:11:03.320 steals with those renegotiated contracts. Like, 00:11:03.440 --> 00:11:05.679 that's what I mean, though. There's some guys 00:11:05.679 --> 00:11:10.340 who, like... Notice the silence of Bob Arum right 00:11:10.340 --> 00:11:15.549 now when it comes to this ad. Yeah, all the promoters 00:11:15.549 --> 00:11:20.169 are quiet. Yeah. Like, PVC is, like, traditionally 00:11:20.169 --> 00:11:22.230 quiet. They don't, like, again, they're going 00:11:22.230 --> 00:11:25.230 to, the assumption, at least my assumption, is 00:11:25.230 --> 00:11:26.370 that they're just going to continue operating 00:11:26.370 --> 00:11:29.509 how they have been because, like, this relationship, 00:11:29.690 --> 00:11:32.509 the relationship of, like, fighter, manager, 00:11:32.750 --> 00:11:36.450 promoter for the last, like, 20 years has brought 00:11:36.450 --> 00:11:39.629 them more cash than anyone else in the sport. 00:11:40.490 --> 00:11:46.220 In revenue. So there's no reason to fix what 00:11:46.220 --> 00:11:48.580 ain't broke. But I'm saying some of these other 00:11:48.580 --> 00:11:50.519 promoters are just like, they're quiet because 00:11:50.519 --> 00:11:53.600 if it passes, it's not just Dana who's going 00:11:53.600 --> 00:11:57.200 to show up and reinvent the wheel. Everyone else 00:11:57.200 --> 00:11:59.500 is just going to revert to, yeah, you're getting 00:11:59.500 --> 00:12:01.759 paid potato chips and fighting who I want you 00:12:01.759 --> 00:12:06.720 to when I want you to. Do you think we will see 00:12:06.720 --> 00:12:09.559 a TKO belt be made within the next five years? 00:12:10.159 --> 00:12:15.480 Oh, fuck no. Yes. Yes, but not in a way that, 00:12:15.480 --> 00:12:19.200 like, matters. You think it would be, like, IBO 00:12:19.200 --> 00:12:21.700 type? Like, just not legitimate? Not even IBO 00:12:21.700 --> 00:12:25.700 type. It's, like, how... Below that, even. Like... 00:12:25.700 --> 00:12:29.279 Because it won't even be, like, a regional belt 00:12:29.279 --> 00:12:31.440 type thing. It's, like, those flashy, like... 00:12:31.440 --> 00:12:34.500 Like, the YouTuber belt stuff. Like, the Misfits 00:12:34.500 --> 00:12:38.970 belt. Oh, like the Aztec belt. Yeah, like it's 00:12:38.970 --> 00:12:42.090 a ceremonial belt. You know how they do the BMF 00:12:42.090 --> 00:12:46.230 belt? Yeah. Yeah, that's basically the equivalent 00:12:46.230 --> 00:12:48.769 for it. They're going to get, like, two guys 00:12:48.769 --> 00:12:50.850 who just do fucking rock 'em, sock 'em robots 00:12:50.850 --> 00:12:52.889 who aren't great to fight each other, and they're 00:12:52.889 --> 00:12:56.610 going to be like, this is the best fighter. Or 00:12:56.610 --> 00:12:59.529 this is the most exciting fighter. UFC's already 00:12:59.529 --> 00:13:02.190 put their hands in boxing already, dude. Fucking 00:13:02.190 --> 00:13:08.460 Dana White with the bypass. Yeah, but it's basically 00:13:08.460 --> 00:13:12.120 just more shit to put on Fight Pass so he doesn't 00:13:12.120 --> 00:13:15.360 have to fill those dates. That's different. And 00:13:15.360 --> 00:13:19.259 the boxing that's on Fight Pass is run by the 00:13:19.259 --> 00:13:24.159 promoters that are signed to it. Yeah. 360 Promotions. 00:13:24.159 --> 00:13:28.419 They put the events on. So the pay and stuff 00:13:28.419 --> 00:13:32.480 is not... It's basically Dana White... paying 00:13:32.480 --> 00:13:34.500 those guys for the license to put it on Fight 00:13:34.500 --> 00:13:36.840 Pass so he doesn't have to fill dates and content. 00:13:38.600 --> 00:13:45.559 It's not Dana White directly organizing it. So 00:13:45.559 --> 00:13:47.279 this one, he's going to be like building it. 00:13:47.559 --> 00:13:51.539 Yeah. Isaac, how do you feel about, and be honest, 00:13:51.620 --> 00:13:53.759 be honest. We won't clown you or anything. Be 00:13:53.759 --> 00:13:56.019 completely honest. How do you feel about Dana 00:13:56.019 --> 00:13:59.659 White being in boxing? Dude, I mean, this is, 00:13:59.700 --> 00:14:01.139 I mean, I'll be the first one to say, dude, I 00:14:01.139 --> 00:14:06.299 hate Dana White. He does in UFC, like it's, like, 00:14:06.299 --> 00:14:08.600 I mean, I sort of am worried about boxing. I've 00:14:08.600 --> 00:14:11.120 seen how he's completely like whitewashed the 00:14:11.120 --> 00:14:13.919 sport of MMA. I mean, just complete, complete 00:14:13.919 --> 00:14:17.720 like monopoly. The fighter pay super low. I mean, 00:14:17.720 --> 00:14:20.059 the UFC, the quality of UFC content has been 00:14:20.059 --> 00:14:23.679 going down the drain in, you know, in recent 00:14:23.679 --> 00:14:26.480 years. It's just, everything just feels like. 00:14:27.159 --> 00:14:30.320 It's just like sanitized almost. It's just like, 00:14:30.340 --> 00:14:32.620 you know, not really like any vibes to it. I'm 00:14:32.620 --> 00:14:34.000 sort of worried what he's going to do to boxing. 00:14:34.700 --> 00:14:38.240 Yeah, yeah. What's weird, weirdly enough, what 00:14:38.240 --> 00:14:44.899 White ended up... The weird clash that is kind 00:14:44.899 --> 00:14:47.279 of like, at least it's a little obvious to me 00:14:47.279 --> 00:14:49.899 that is going to end up happening, is going to 00:14:49.899 --> 00:14:52.000 be that Dana's going to run shit like he does 00:14:52.000 --> 00:14:54.700 in the UFC and into the ground in terms of entertainment 00:14:54.700 --> 00:14:58.710 quality. But remember that, like, Turkey isn't 00:14:58.710 --> 00:15:01.429 here to make money. He's here to play with his 00:15:01.429 --> 00:15:05.950 action figures. So I think that's where the disconnect's 00:15:05.950 --> 00:15:07.669 gonna happen, because Dana's gonna be trying 00:15:07.669 --> 00:15:11.730 to make money from these events, and Turkey's 00:15:11.730 --> 00:15:14.210 gonna be like, what the fuck? Why aren't my action 00:15:14.210 --> 00:15:17.990 figures fighting? Well, I will say this, that 00:15:17.990 --> 00:15:22.509 fucking these first, this first TKO event, dude, 00:15:22.610 --> 00:15:28.200 is fucking ass. It is so buns. Seriously. Like, 00:15:28.200 --> 00:15:31.960 they have... I'm not saying he's playing with 00:15:31.960 --> 00:15:35.139 his... I'm not saying Turkey is good at playing 00:15:35.139 --> 00:15:37.419 with his action figures. We saw that. We're seeing 00:15:37.419 --> 00:15:40.220 this with the ring events. I understand. This 00:15:40.220 --> 00:15:42.779 guy is... I'm just talking about the event itself. 00:15:42.980 --> 00:15:45.799 Yeah. No, it's dog shit. It is dog shit. They 00:15:45.799 --> 00:15:47.799 have Colin Walsh fighting Fernando Vargas as 00:15:47.799 --> 00:15:50.419 the co -main. The co -main event, rather than 00:15:50.419 --> 00:15:52.779 Christian Ability versus Lester Martinez, which 00:15:52.779 --> 00:15:54.779 is a really good fight, I would say. Very good. 00:15:55.039 --> 00:15:58.059 But they have fucking Kyle Walsh versus Fernando 00:15:58.059 --> 00:16:00.799 Vargas Jr., a fucking Marv Nation fighter. A 00:16:00.799 --> 00:16:03.860 goddamn Marv Nation fighter. I'm not saying Turkey 00:16:03.860 --> 00:16:06.279 is any good at playing with his action figures, 00:16:06.440 --> 00:16:11.200 but at some point, Turkey will want to continue 00:16:11.200 --> 00:16:13.360 playing with his action figures, and Dana will 00:16:13.360 --> 00:16:16.259 want to cut down on pay and shit, and then that's 00:16:16.259 --> 00:16:19.750 the disconnect. Because then you're not going 00:16:19.750 --> 00:16:21.649 to be able to track any fighters. Yeah, like 00:16:21.649 --> 00:16:25.409 you can't just throw money and make your action 00:16:25.409 --> 00:16:26.909 figures fight. You're going to actually have 00:16:26.909 --> 00:16:29.750 to think and make it work. And I don't think 00:16:29.750 --> 00:16:32.049 Turkey wants to do that, but Dana will. That's 00:16:32.049 --> 00:16:33.590 where the disconnect is going to happen. I think 00:16:33.590 --> 00:16:35.710 Dana's doomed to fail in boxing just because 00:16:35.710 --> 00:16:40.289 the horse he's hitched his wagon to is literally 00:16:40.289 --> 00:16:45.070 only here to play with action figures and nothing 00:16:45.070 --> 00:16:51.519 else. It's sad. It's very sad. Like, if Dana 00:16:51.519 --> 00:16:55.639 hitched his ride with, like, Blatnovik, for example, 00:16:55.799 --> 00:16:58.460 like, back when Blatnovik was bankrolling Matrim 00:16:58.460 --> 00:17:03.620 USA and shit, that's when you would have seen 00:17:03.620 --> 00:17:08.099 this be a much more disastrous occurrence. Because 00:17:08.099 --> 00:17:11.200 Blatnovik actually wanted to make money back. 00:17:13.799 --> 00:17:17.890 Eventually, by building up... He put his faith 00:17:17.890 --> 00:17:22.490 in Eddie Hearn, so it didn't work out. But Blatnovik's 00:17:22.490 --> 00:17:25.650 end goal was to build up Matchroom USA and DAZN 00:17:25.650 --> 00:17:30.769 as a power broker in boxing and make that money 00:17:30.769 --> 00:17:34.049 back. And, like, we go from paying fighters a 00:17:34.049 --> 00:17:37.430 lot to very little. I don't think it'll happen 00:17:37.430 --> 00:17:41.970 here just because, like, the Russian oligarchs 00:17:41.970 --> 00:17:47.349 can run out of money. Until Saudi Arabia runs 00:17:47.349 --> 00:17:51.490 out of oil and slaves, the money is literally 00:17:51.490 --> 00:18:00.309 endless. Damn. And that's where Dana White's 00:18:00.309 --> 00:18:02.809 going to fail, just because Turkey would rather 00:18:02.809 --> 00:18:08.250 his name be praised by nerds on Reddit and Twitter 00:18:08.250 --> 00:18:15.420 for making a fight happen than to save... the 00:18:15.420 --> 00:18:19.740 money because at the end of the day it's like 00:18:19.740 --> 00:18:22.980 it's a it's a pr project and not uh it's a pr 00:18:22.980 --> 00:18:27.559 project that he happens to be invested in within 00:18:27.559 --> 00:18:29.680 the way like a 13 year old's invested in fights 00:18:29.680 --> 00:18:34.460 rather than like a business the business is the 00:18:34.460 --> 00:18:46.569 oil are we serious Not really. We are definitely 00:18:46.569 --> 00:18:51.210 conspiracy theorists, but it makes sense, right? 00:18:51.369 --> 00:18:53.430 Putting it this way, that Dana won't succeed 00:18:53.430 --> 00:18:56.269 now, but he could have succeeded when DAZN was 00:18:56.269 --> 00:19:01.529 starting up. That's true. Just because, yeah, 00:19:01.789 --> 00:19:04.450 the way I've been describing the bubble bursting 00:19:04.450 --> 00:19:09.190 isn't in the sport is doomed way. It's in Turkey 00:19:09.190 --> 00:19:14.410 gets bored and leaves. The sport just needs to 00:19:14.410 --> 00:19:18.410 be lifted up with a couple TV deals. Again. I 00:19:18.410 --> 00:19:21.730 feel like with fucking TKO, the biggest problem 00:19:21.730 --> 00:19:23.730 is he's going to be fighting talent. Because 00:19:23.730 --> 00:19:30.089 in all honesty, I really doubt that they're going 00:19:30.089 --> 00:19:32.869 to be getting any good talent, any exciting talent 00:19:32.869 --> 00:19:36.250 that they can make stars. Because the other promotional 00:19:36.250 --> 00:19:38.930 companies that have been here for decades now 00:19:38.930 --> 00:19:42.099 are struggling already to find stars. It also 00:19:42.099 --> 00:19:44.940 doesn't help that, like, everyone knows about 00:19:44.940 --> 00:19:50.119 Dana White and, like, because, like, the scam 00:19:50.119 --> 00:19:54.059 with Don King is that, like, despite all of what 00:19:54.059 --> 00:19:56.519 he does with fighters, like, he has his glory 00:19:56.519 --> 00:20:01.039 days where he ran the sport, right? So he can 00:20:01.039 --> 00:20:03.700 pull the scam on someone very stupid being like, 00:20:03.779 --> 00:20:07.900 look, I can take you to these heights. I've done 00:20:07.900 --> 00:20:11.069 it before. But with Dana White, his entire career 00:20:11.069 --> 00:20:13.769 has been boxing is dead, boxing is dead, boxing 00:20:13.769 --> 00:20:17.809 is dead. So, like, I don't think any, like, star 00:20:17.809 --> 00:20:21.349 is stupid enough to fall for it with Dana White 00:20:21.349 --> 00:20:24.450 compared to Don King. I feel like even Jake Paul 00:20:24.450 --> 00:20:27.690 is a better fucking mother than... That's true. 00:20:27.730 --> 00:20:30.630 But that's because Jake Paul... Jake, like, say 00:20:30.630 --> 00:20:32.329 what you will about Jake Paul, though, because, 00:20:32.430 --> 00:20:35.089 like, he doesn't have to invest in women's boxing 00:20:35.089 --> 00:20:36.890 and all things. He totally could have just bought 00:20:36.890 --> 00:20:41.859 a bunch of young prospects. He does have a prospect 00:20:41.859 --> 00:20:45.039 series. He does, but I'm saying in terms of, 00:20:45.059 --> 00:20:46.579 like, the headlining. Oh, right. Like, he could 00:20:46.579 --> 00:20:51.480 have totally purchased, like, at the point where 00:20:51.480 --> 00:20:53.180 he was starting up, Boots was a pretty cheap 00:20:53.180 --> 00:20:56.140 contract. Virgil was a pretty, like, these guys 00:20:56.140 --> 00:20:58.299 had pretty, like, Boots was a pretty cheap contract 00:20:58.299 --> 00:21:04.059 because he was fight by fight with PBC. Virgil, 00:21:04.140 --> 00:21:07.349 I don't know. He was the golden boy. Yeah, so 00:21:07.349 --> 00:21:09.269 you could have probably bought him out, honestly. 00:21:09.990 --> 00:21:16.890 Yeah. Young guys like fucking Schofield. You 00:21:16.890 --> 00:21:22.890 pick up all the third rack young, exciting guys 00:21:22.890 --> 00:21:26.710 and you start a promotion if you're Jake Paul 00:21:26.710 --> 00:21:29.369 and have that money. But instead, he decided 00:21:29.369 --> 00:21:34.710 to actually build a superior product. He has 00:21:34.710 --> 00:21:40.690 most of women's boxing in his stable. So that's 00:21:40.690 --> 00:21:43.529 what I mean. It's very good and impressive that 00:21:43.529 --> 00:21:47.849 he took his time building a quality promotion 00:21:47.849 --> 00:21:54.230 in a pretty ethical way when realistically he 00:21:54.230 --> 00:21:58.329 probably could have just bought his way in. Yeah. 00:21:58.410 --> 00:22:00.230 I may have that wrong though. Jake Paul is one 00:22:00.230 --> 00:22:02.049 of the more ethical. Promoters in the sport, 00:22:02.150 --> 00:22:05.529 I will say. Yeah. I think the only complaint 00:22:05.529 --> 00:22:09.309 I've seen is, like, Ashton Sylvie being like, 00:22:09.369 --> 00:22:13.630 they released me after I lost horribly. And slammed 00:22:13.630 --> 00:22:16.569 the guy who won. And I'm like, that's just the 00:22:16.569 --> 00:22:18.589 business sometimes. Unfortunately, that's the 00:22:18.589 --> 00:22:21.670 business sometimes. I mean, that's what they 00:22:21.670 --> 00:22:24.849 did with Anthony Sims Jr. But the thing is that 00:22:24.849 --> 00:22:28.630 the complaint is that they released him. Not 00:22:28.630 --> 00:22:31.630 that they didn't pay him or blacklist him or 00:22:31.630 --> 00:22:35.670 anything. Well, no, they did kind of blacklist 00:22:35.670 --> 00:22:37.789 Anthony Simms Jr. just a little bit. No, I'm 00:22:37.789 --> 00:22:40.450 saying the complaint for us, Ashton Silvey, about 00:22:40.450 --> 00:22:45.789 MVP. Oh, yeah. Yeah, like, if you think about 00:22:45.789 --> 00:22:48.450 it, all they did is say, hey, you're not an MVP 00:22:48.450 --> 00:22:50.809 fighter anymore, and it's not like we're not 00:22:50.809 --> 00:22:54.230 paying you. And, like, you know, the usual we're 00:22:54.230 --> 00:22:56.269 not paying you, you're blacklisted, don't even 00:22:56.269 --> 00:23:01.609 show up to your gym. Back in the old days. That 00:23:01.609 --> 00:23:11.349 is cooked. MVP is rather ethical. I'm not against 00:23:11.349 --> 00:23:16.890 Jake Paul in the sport. I'll sit through the 00:23:16.890 --> 00:23:20.609 bullshit if it means we have another promoter 00:23:20.609 --> 00:23:24.430 that actually has some vision in the space. He's 00:23:24.430 --> 00:23:27.490 done a crazy amount for women's boxing. I mean, 00:23:27.509 --> 00:23:31.190 it was on a Netflix card. I mean, they do big 00:23:31.190 --> 00:23:35.509 events. I mean, that was insanely massive. And 00:23:35.509 --> 00:23:38.210 it's not like he only sticks, like, Serrano on 00:23:38.210 --> 00:23:42.549 his undercards. Like, he literally specifically 00:23:42.549 --> 00:23:49.750 let her shine in three events. As well as promoting 00:23:49.750 --> 00:23:52.769 other women on his cards. Like, now he has, he 00:23:52.769 --> 00:23:55.069 signed Savannah Marshall, right? Most recently. 00:23:55.210 --> 00:23:59.900 And Terry Harper. Alicia Baumgartner. That too. 00:24:01.579 --> 00:24:07.559 You have all of women's boxing. It's good. Let's 00:24:07.559 --> 00:24:16.299 move to Tank and his charges being dropped. Domestic 00:24:16.299 --> 00:24:21.960 violence. Yeah. I'm not sure what else to say 00:24:21.960 --> 00:24:27.539 besides what a piece of shit. Yeah. The thing 00:24:27.539 --> 00:24:31.200 is, I feel like he still did it. Which time? 00:24:31.339 --> 00:24:35.799 He's done it in the past. History would support 00:24:35.799 --> 00:24:40.940 that, yeah. He already has a case. It's on the 00:24:40.940 --> 00:24:42.640 video, too, where he's choking that one woman 00:24:42.640 --> 00:24:45.420 out of the basketball game. I don't know. I don't 00:24:45.420 --> 00:24:51.799 know. Tank sucks. He's still probably the most 00:24:51.799 --> 00:24:55.059 entertaining watch in our sport. I disagree. 00:24:56.160 --> 00:24:58.420 In terms of, like, atmosphere for the fights? 00:24:58.559 --> 00:25:00.480 I'm not saying in terms of pure fighting style. 00:25:00.559 --> 00:25:03.559 I'm saying just, like, as an event. Yeah, I mean, 00:25:03.559 --> 00:25:06.759 he's still a big star. He's a big star. I don't 00:25:06.759 --> 00:25:09.720 know. I mean, number -wise, I think... Just as 00:25:09.720 --> 00:25:13.799 an event, like, you don't need to build under... 00:25:13.799 --> 00:25:15.519 Like, everyone else, you still have to sort of 00:25:15.519 --> 00:25:19.460 build an undercard. Tank, you don't have to build 00:25:19.460 --> 00:25:22.119 an undercard. Yeah, I mean, as soon as I started, 00:25:22.220 --> 00:25:23.859 he was probably one of the biggest stars in the 00:25:23.859 --> 00:25:25.759 sport, of course. You just don't have to build. 00:25:26.359 --> 00:25:28.819 An atmosphere, like, I think, honestly, I hate 00:25:28.819 --> 00:25:31.740 to say it, but, like, I think those brick cards, 00:25:32.039 --> 00:25:35.880 dude, those brick, like, an Anthony Joshua fight, 00:25:35.980 --> 00:25:39.000 dude, they get fucking turned up, dude. Type 00:25:39.000 --> 00:25:45.440 shit, dude. Oh, they do. Yeah, dude. I don't 00:25:45.440 --> 00:25:49.779 know. The fights... I'm just considering, like, 00:25:49.799 --> 00:25:52.079 quality of the fighter, quality of the fight, 00:25:52.180 --> 00:25:55.720 and, like, the... like, the event. Because it's 00:25:55.720 --> 00:25:57.579 not just the event, it's, like, fight week and 00:25:57.579 --> 00:26:00.359 everything in Vegas or Baltimore or wherever. 00:26:01.460 --> 00:26:02.799 Yeah, we'll see. It kind of gives you, like, 00:26:02.799 --> 00:26:04.799 an old feeling, like how it used to be back in 00:26:04.799 --> 00:26:06.680 the day. Yeah, like, Tank is a bit of an old 00:26:06.680 --> 00:26:09.019 -school star. You don't even, like, again, just 00:26:09.019 --> 00:26:11.059 the fact that, like, you can say there's a Tank 00:26:11.059 --> 00:26:12.759 fight on this day, you don't have to give a fuck 00:26:12.759 --> 00:26:16.099 about the undercard. Yeah. Like, even with, like, 00:26:16.099 --> 00:26:19.680 Canelo, AJ, you still, like, you still, like, 00:26:19.720 --> 00:26:22.180 ah, the undercard's really fucking stinky. Maybe 00:26:22.180 --> 00:26:29.670 I don't buy that, right? No. With Tank? No, but 00:26:29.670 --> 00:26:33.630 even for us, if they say, yeah, Tank's fighting 00:26:33.630 --> 00:26:36.210 Roach again, we're watching it. Oh, yeah, for 00:26:36.210 --> 00:26:40.250 sure. Numbers -wise. Canelo Crawford, for comparison, 00:26:40.670 --> 00:26:44.589 we're here. We just complained about how Mbili 00:26:44.589 --> 00:26:50.930 isn't higher up on the card. I'm still going 00:26:50.930 --> 00:26:52.490 to watch the fight. That's an amazing fight. 00:26:52.569 --> 00:26:55.869 Yeah, but it's a dialogue. There's a dialogue 00:26:55.869 --> 00:26:58.009 about the undercard that's present for these 00:26:58.009 --> 00:27:00.509 other guys that is never present for Tank because 00:27:00.509 --> 00:27:05.690 Tank is the show. He's the whole show. So as 00:27:05.690 --> 00:27:11.670 much as Tank sucks, he's a very... His presence 00:27:11.670 --> 00:27:17.089 kind of shows how a star should be. People like... 00:27:18.960 --> 00:27:21.920 He has good undercards, but the thing is that 00:27:21.920 --> 00:27:26.299 they're not stuck on to make it... They're not 00:27:26.299 --> 00:27:28.900 necessary. They're not necessary. You could put 00:27:28.900 --> 00:27:32.619 a bunch of British domestic title fights on a 00:27:32.619 --> 00:27:36.859 fucking tank fight in Baltimore. And you know 00:27:36.859 --> 00:27:38.900 what? It's still packed by the time he hits the 00:27:38.900 --> 00:27:44.640 ring. Yeah. Yeah, sure. I don't think that's 00:27:44.640 --> 00:27:46.220 something that any other fighter in the sport 00:27:46.220 --> 00:27:51.779 has. You don't you just don't need you don't 00:27:51.779 --> 00:27:53.880 even need to talk about the tank undercard. You 00:27:53.880 --> 00:27:57.420 can say tank is fighting and The interest is 00:27:57.420 --> 00:27:59.940 there. No, I disagree. I think you know is the 00:27:59.940 --> 00:28:02.900 one that is the dominant I think it was a piece 00:28:02.900 --> 00:28:11.240 of the sport frankly Numbers wise yes, but if 00:28:11.240 --> 00:28:15.680 I'm saying in terms of like like You still care 00:28:15.680 --> 00:28:17.960 about who Canelo's opponent is. You still care 00:28:17.960 --> 00:28:20.079 about the undercard. With Tank, it's just Tank's 00:28:20.079 --> 00:28:22.880 fighting. Well, we can't act like we weren't 00:28:22.880 --> 00:28:25.279 complaining about Roach before the fight. I mean, 00:28:25.319 --> 00:28:28.940 come on. Yeah, but we're still watching. Yeah, 00:28:28.940 --> 00:28:30.339 we're still watching. I was still watching Canelo's 00:28:30.339 --> 00:28:34.400 school. Yeah, no, I'm not saying Skull. I'm saying, 00:28:34.460 --> 00:28:37.819 like, John Ryder and Berlanga. Like, I didn't 00:28:37.819 --> 00:28:42.750 watch him fight John Ryder. That's what I mean. 00:28:42.829 --> 00:28:45.289 You have to draw the line somewhere. But with 00:28:45.289 --> 00:28:48.089 Tank, it's very... He would have to be fighting 00:28:48.089 --> 00:28:54.329 grade schoolers for me to not tune in. The thing 00:28:54.329 --> 00:28:56.230 is that I think you're kind of underestimating 00:28:56.230 --> 00:28:58.990 the casual audience of the Mexican community. 00:28:59.269 --> 00:29:00.970 They will turn up with Canelo no matter what. 00:29:01.109 --> 00:29:04.369 They always turn up with Canelo. It's known when 00:29:04.369 --> 00:29:07.170 Canelo fights. I don't know. I've had casual... 00:29:07.170 --> 00:29:10.920 I don't know. it's i know it's highly anecdotal 00:29:10.920 --> 00:29:13.380 but like casual friends in real life went from 00:29:13.380 --> 00:29:16.599 like like they know whenever tank fights they 00:29:16.599 --> 00:29:19.039 don't they won't know who the he's fighting they 00:29:19.039 --> 00:29:21.400 didn't even know rolly when he fought rolly but 00:29:21.400 --> 00:29:24.859 they knew tank was fighting but with canelo lately 00:29:24.859 --> 00:29:28.380 it's like oh is he still fighting like no hopers 00:29:28.380 --> 00:29:33.740 uh and it helps that like it the platform he's 00:29:33.740 --> 00:29:36.579 on is not great either the platforms he's been 00:29:36.579 --> 00:29:39.890 on which is part of it But I'm saying, like, 00:29:39.910 --> 00:29:42.869 at this moment, like, a tank fight has more allure 00:29:42.869 --> 00:29:46.529 than a Canelo fight. And, like, yeah, there was 00:29:46.529 --> 00:29:50.289 a point a couple years ago where it was the opposite. 00:29:50.670 --> 00:29:55.369 Basically, Canelo was the face, but you can only 00:29:55.369 --> 00:29:58.170 do bum of the month so much while there's another 00:29:58.170 --> 00:30:03.730 guy who... Matt, I can guarantee you that Canelo's 00:30:03.730 --> 00:30:07.490 skull probably did just as much as Tank Roach. 00:30:08.160 --> 00:30:11.539 I can guarantee you that. Yeah. And that's what 00:30:11.539 --> 00:30:14.920 fucking William Skoll did. I mean, that's probably 00:30:14.920 --> 00:30:17.180 the most unknown fighter that Camilo's ever faced. 00:30:19.400 --> 00:30:22.279 Yeah, but he had a nice record, though. He stole 00:30:22.279 --> 00:30:23.599 the face of the sport. People will come out to 00:30:23.599 --> 00:30:26.779 watch him no matter what. No matter what, dude. 00:30:26.920 --> 00:30:28.680 People are going to watch him. That's just how 00:30:28.680 --> 00:30:30.640 it is. That's how it is. I know. For Mexicans, 00:30:30.680 --> 00:30:32.839 we see that as an opportunity to have a day of 00:30:32.839 --> 00:30:36.920 partying, you know? It's a party. I just don't. 00:30:38.210 --> 00:30:42.309 I just think the broader American paying audience 00:30:42.309 --> 00:30:47.329 is what I'm getting at, really. Because it's 00:30:47.329 --> 00:30:51.049 just, like, Canelo fights seem like an inconvenience 00:30:51.049 --> 00:30:55.930 now, not to watch, just because the undercard's 00:30:55.930 --> 00:30:58.029 going to be shit. It's going to be under zone, 00:30:58.150 --> 00:31:00.049 and they're going to trap me into a nine -month 00:31:00.049 --> 00:31:02.069 contract where they refuse to let me cancel, 00:31:02.150 --> 00:31:05.480 and I have to report them for fraud. I mean, 00:31:05.480 --> 00:31:08.319 if you think about it, what was the last time 00:31:08.319 --> 00:31:10.559 you think about a good fighter that, like, people 00:31:10.559 --> 00:31:13.980 were actually excited for? It's Ryan, you know? 00:31:14.119 --> 00:31:18.140 Well, you're just thinking, like, guys, well, 00:31:18.200 --> 00:31:20.480 there's Ryan and Roach. People were excited for 00:31:20.480 --> 00:31:24.940 Roach, man. Like, people show up. And Hector 00:31:24.940 --> 00:31:27.359 Garcia, like, I'm not saying, like, hard cores. 00:31:27.420 --> 00:31:30.940 I'm saying, like, guys I'm at work with. We'll 00:31:30.940 --> 00:31:33.859 be like, I don't really want to watch the Canelo 00:31:33.859 --> 00:31:36.619 fight. It's tough to watch. But, like, Tank's 00:31:36.619 --> 00:31:39.039 fighting, they got it. They'll find illegal streams. 00:31:40.359 --> 00:31:43.619 It's just, like, it's hard. It's largely anecdotal 00:31:43.619 --> 00:31:46.980 on my end, but it's like Tank is the whole show. 00:31:49.400 --> 00:31:52.099 Canelo is starting to have to need a good opponent. 00:31:53.200 --> 00:31:57.279 I will say that I think where we're both at is 00:31:57.279 --> 00:32:00.509 pretty biased because you... Where I live? is 00:32:00.509 --> 00:32:03.750 mainly Hispanic, you know, Mexican community. 00:32:04.230 --> 00:32:07.470 It doesn't... Every time Canelo fights, dude, 00:32:07.589 --> 00:32:09.829 the grocery stores are packed. It doesn't help. 00:32:09.829 --> 00:32:12.529 For one reason, one reason only. It doesn't help 00:32:12.529 --> 00:32:15.789 the Mexican communities that, like, when I go 00:32:15.789 --> 00:32:19.369 and visit Mexico, these guys fucking hate Canelo. 00:32:19.470 --> 00:32:21.869 They're, like, the most Marco Antonio Barrera 00:32:21.869 --> 00:32:24.890 and Salvador Sanchez glazers you'll ever see. 00:32:27.460 --> 00:32:30.460 The big majority of Canelo's fanbase is Mexican 00:32:30.460 --> 00:32:34.440 -Americans. I go to Mexico and visit my grandparents 00:32:34.440 --> 00:32:36.539 and it's like, fuck, is that ginger fuck still 00:32:36.539 --> 00:32:39.859 fighting? They're old school, you know? I miss 00:32:39.859 --> 00:32:42.359 when a real fighter like Eric Morales was on 00:32:42.359 --> 00:32:47.500 TV and you could watch him for free. Yeah, they're 00:32:47.500 --> 00:32:49.539 just old school. They're just old school. But 00:32:49.539 --> 00:32:53.099 that's what I mean, though. It's probably just 00:32:53.099 --> 00:32:56.380 our lived experiences that lead us to... Similar 00:32:56.380 --> 00:32:59.980 conclusions with different guys. I don't know. 00:32:59.980 --> 00:33:01.480 What are the other posts at the call thing in 00:33:01.480 --> 00:33:04.559 this pod? Do you guys think Canelo's bigger star 00:33:04.559 --> 00:33:08.200 than Tank right now or what? Yes. Yeah, right 00:33:08.200 --> 00:33:11.140 now, yeah. Like, numbers -wise, I think Canelo's 00:33:11.140 --> 00:33:13.960 probably still doing the most numbers. I mean, 00:33:13.960 --> 00:33:17.480 my main point wasn't - My main point - Oh, we 00:33:17.480 --> 00:33:19.700 got a little lost. My main point was that, like, 00:33:19.700 --> 00:33:22.759 as much Tank sucks as a person, the sport needs 00:33:22.759 --> 00:33:25.859 him. No, yeah, we need all the stars we can get 00:33:25.859 --> 00:33:28.079 no matter what. The sport really needs him because 00:33:28.079 --> 00:33:33.859 he is the whole package as a star. And the controversy, 00:33:34.099 --> 00:33:37.059 again, I hate to call it controversy. He's just 00:33:37.059 --> 00:33:40.940 a fucking criminal. Yeah. But, like, the presence 00:33:40.940 --> 00:33:44.619 in the sport is needed, unfortunately. That's 00:33:44.619 --> 00:33:48.559 my main thing. Like, the sport needs him. I mean, 00:33:48.619 --> 00:33:50.359 sports always had bad guys, you know. Sports 00:33:50.359 --> 00:33:52.470 never had. There's been a time where there's 00:33:52.470 --> 00:33:55.490 been ethical guys running around. Boxing, man. 00:33:55.569 --> 00:33:57.309 It's guys who hit each other in the face with 00:33:57.309 --> 00:33:59.890 promoters who try to pay them less at every opportunity. 00:34:01.309 --> 00:34:05.950 That's just how it is. I think we've got to keep 00:34:05.950 --> 00:34:12.989 it rolling here. Let's keep it rolling. I'll 00:34:12.989 --> 00:34:20.349 let you go with that. Based on time... Well, 00:34:20.369 --> 00:34:23.530 we can quickly go over the next item on the news 00:34:23.530 --> 00:34:25.829 rumors and skip straight to previews because 00:34:25.829 --> 00:34:29.650 there's literally nothing. Yeah. We can just 00:34:29.650 --> 00:34:32.309 skip the break glass and save it. All right. 00:34:32.909 --> 00:34:40.170 So there is some Japanese boxers are dying at 00:34:40.170 --> 00:34:47.019 a pretty alarming rate. And the only move I've 00:34:47.019 --> 00:34:50.400 seen so far is that the Japanese Boxing Commission 00:34:50.400 --> 00:34:53.800 has lowered their regional title fights from 00:34:53.800 --> 00:34:58.059 12 to 10 rounds. And that's about it. One of 00:34:58.059 --> 00:35:00.559 the fighters that's currently, I think, in a 00:35:00.559 --> 00:35:04.079 medically induced coma was on an 8 -rounder. 00:35:05.260 --> 00:35:10.639 Yeah. The other one that died was on a 12, I 00:35:10.639 --> 00:35:16.760 think, is the case. It's just a stark reminder 00:35:16.760 --> 00:35:22.139 that this isn't a fucking game. Yeah, you don't 00:35:22.139 --> 00:35:28.340 play this shit. This isn't a game. This is brutal, 00:35:28.500 --> 00:35:34.039 man. The past a little bit of judgment from my 00:35:34.039 --> 00:35:39.280 soapbox that we have the luxury of sitting on. 00:35:41.849 --> 00:35:44.489 I don't think the issue is the rounds as much 00:35:44.489 --> 00:35:47.929 as it is just the culture. Yeah, absolutely. 00:35:48.389 --> 00:35:51.070 And I don't mean the culture of, like, never 00:35:51.070 --> 00:35:54.829 say die in a fight, because if it was never say 00:35:54.829 --> 00:35:58.349 die in a fight, then a lot of other, basically 00:35:58.349 --> 00:36:02.909 everywhere but the United Kingdom would have 00:36:02.909 --> 00:36:10.840 this issue, right? But the issues in the culture 00:36:10.840 --> 00:36:14.659 and training, because those sparring death matches 00:36:14.659 --> 00:36:19.960 all the time with little recovery time in between 00:36:19.960 --> 00:36:24.900 sparring is what causes a lot of this. Because 00:36:24.900 --> 00:36:27.739 if you just keep sparring and sparring and sparring 00:36:27.739 --> 00:36:31.780 hard, when you're on a weight cut, your brain 00:36:31.780 --> 00:36:35.199 literally has no opportunity to recover and rehydrate 00:36:35.199 --> 00:36:40.400 before a fight. because of the sparring culture 00:36:40.400 --> 00:36:44.219 even you get shook in sparring you know like 00:36:44.219 --> 00:36:48.820 in the like i'm gonna say in the west we have 00:36:48.820 --> 00:36:52.519 it's still bad sometimes like but we have a lot 00:36:52.519 --> 00:36:56.679 relaxed sparring culture where first of all sparring 00:36:56.679 --> 00:36:59.039 is you're not out to kill each other most of 00:36:59.039 --> 00:37:02.079 the time yeah you're training you're training 00:37:02.079 --> 00:37:04.320 you're getting better you're sharpening up but 00:37:04.320 --> 00:37:09.550 even then you spar once twice a week You're not 00:37:09.550 --> 00:37:12.349 sparring every single day of training to the 00:37:12.349 --> 00:37:15.570 death, pretty much. And that's the difference. 00:37:15.670 --> 00:37:19.849 You show up halfway to death's door, both from 00:37:19.849 --> 00:37:22.449 your weight cut, from whatever damage you carry 00:37:22.449 --> 00:37:25.730 from sparring, and the turnover between fights, 00:37:25.869 --> 00:37:28.809 that gives you no chance to even recover. So 00:37:28.809 --> 00:37:32.829 you're carrying, like, three, four consecutive 00:37:32.829 --> 00:37:37.250 camps of weight on yourself. and your weight 00:37:37.250 --> 00:37:43.369 cuts before stepping into the ring. And the culture 00:37:43.369 --> 00:37:48.590 from a refereeing, coaching, and fighter standpoint 00:37:48.590 --> 00:37:53.369 is to go out on your shield. So fundamentally, 00:37:54.070 --> 00:37:58.590 I know it's big to say from a soapbox, and you 00:37:58.590 --> 00:38:00.730 guys can disagree if you want, but the culture 00:38:00.730 --> 00:38:04.309 around sparring needs to change in Japan. I agree. 00:38:05.360 --> 00:38:11.159 I don't know how they would regulate. JBC is 00:38:11.159 --> 00:38:15.400 very strict on this stuff. Whenever they put 00:38:15.400 --> 00:38:17.340 their minds to something, they're extremely strict. 00:38:19.480 --> 00:38:23.800 I'm sure there's some way to regulate. If you 00:38:23.800 --> 00:38:25.980 don't want to regulate the intensity of sparring 00:38:25.980 --> 00:38:29.820 because that's difficult, you can regulate the 00:38:29.820 --> 00:38:34.920 amount of sparring that is done. the same way 00:38:34.920 --> 00:38:39.280 they regulate like even the most minor drug offenses 00:38:39.280 --> 00:38:48.019 and they used to regulate tattoos like they've 00:38:48.019 --> 00:38:51.539 it's a lot it's like tracking sparring like amount 00:38:51.539 --> 00:38:54.219 of times you spar is surely easier than regulating 00:38:54.219 --> 00:39:00.230 whether a guy has a tattoo or not or who he associates 00:39:00.230 --> 00:39:02.789 with in his free time or whether he's smoking 00:39:02.789 --> 00:39:09.630 a joint in his house like it's a matter of willingness 00:39:09.630 --> 00:39:13.329 to regulate and change the sparring culture and 00:39:13.329 --> 00:39:16.409 i think part of the changes need to be like at 00:39:16.409 --> 00:39:18.909 least for a period guys need to be more willing 00:39:18.909 --> 00:39:22.550 to stop fights like the culture needs to change 00:39:22.550 --> 00:39:25.789 too it's okay to live another day to change the 00:39:25.789 --> 00:39:30.349 sparring culture But again, I don't have the 00:39:30.349 --> 00:39:33.090 answers. We sit on, we sit in a soapbox across 00:39:33.090 --> 00:39:38.949 the world. Armchair analysts. That's just my 00:39:38.949 --> 00:39:44.929 point of view. Seeing, um, like having fought 00:39:44.929 --> 00:39:47.789 in the amateurs, not really sparring that much 00:39:47.789 --> 00:39:50.170 and not like having a relaxed, being part of 00:39:50.170 --> 00:39:54.190 a relaxed sparring culture and then seeing how 00:39:54.190 --> 00:39:57.460 they treat it over there. The only time sparring 00:39:57.460 --> 00:40:00.019 ever got hard for me was when, like, if you're 00:40:00.019 --> 00:40:03.539 doing something wrong, then, like, a bad habit, 00:40:03.659 --> 00:40:06.719 that's how they break it, is, like, whenever 00:40:06.719 --> 00:40:10.079 you don't pull your hand back into your guard, 00:40:10.199 --> 00:40:12.880 and, you know, like, people on mitts, like, they'll 00:40:12.880 --> 00:40:15.460 slap you on the face or something. Yeah. But 00:40:15.460 --> 00:40:18.400 it's something like that. I think it was very, 00:40:18.500 --> 00:40:21.699 for myself, it was mostly technical, light, like, 00:40:21.699 --> 00:40:23.639 we're working on something specific sparring, 00:40:23.800 --> 00:40:29.150 and then... very occasionally like basically 00:40:29.150 --> 00:40:32.610 right as fight camp is peaking but enough time 00:40:32.610 --> 00:40:34.929 they always gave us we always had two to three 00:40:34.929 --> 00:40:37.090 weeks with no sparring before an amateur fight 00:40:37.090 --> 00:40:42.630 like no like hard contact but right at the peak 00:40:42.630 --> 00:40:45.969 we'd always like have a couple hard three round 00:40:45.969 --> 00:40:50.150 spars just to like you know simulate fight momentum 00:40:52.750 --> 00:40:56.449 But the recovery time was always there. And again, 00:40:56.550 --> 00:40:59.289 if it got out of hand, it wasn't just I'm wailing 00:40:59.289 --> 00:41:03.210 on a guy or I'm getting wailed on. The culture 00:41:03.210 --> 00:41:07.510 was always you either pull it back, you lower 00:41:07.510 --> 00:41:09.809 the intensity a bit, or you just put a plug in 00:41:09.809 --> 00:41:13.769 it. And I think that's something that is absent 00:41:13.769 --> 00:41:20.429 in the culture. Very well thought out hypothesis. 00:41:21.489 --> 00:41:24.800 Yeah. Like, it's not provable because it's a 00:41:24.800 --> 00:41:30.579 social thing, but if the JBC really wants to, 00:41:30.659 --> 00:41:32.659 they need to start regulating how many times 00:41:32.659 --> 00:41:40.860 guys spar. But anyways, any other thoughts, fellas? 00:41:41.900 --> 00:41:46.119 I fully agree. I mean, hopefully for the fighters' 00:41:46.219 --> 00:41:48.380 sake, they can make some changes, like meaningful 00:41:48.380 --> 00:41:57.929 changes. Yeah. At this point in the last year 00:41:57.929 --> 00:42:02.030 and a half, maybe two years, there have been 00:42:02.030 --> 00:42:05.309 a handful of deaths. Something's got to change. 00:42:05.929 --> 00:42:09.710 Something serious has to change. Do you guys 00:42:09.710 --> 00:42:10.909 think there is going to be any change, though? 00:42:11.449 --> 00:42:16.929 Honestly, no. I think I'm a little more optimistic 00:42:16.929 --> 00:42:23.400 just because again, Japan is a more fair weather 00:42:23.400 --> 00:42:28.179 culture, I'd say, like, as a country. I feel 00:42:28.179 --> 00:42:31.239 like just the fact that two happened, like, this 00:42:31.239 --> 00:42:36.800 incident was repeated on the same card. The same 00:42:36.800 --> 00:42:39.139 way they regulate stuff like the tattoos and 00:42:39.139 --> 00:42:43.000 who you associate with and, like, small things 00:42:43.000 --> 00:42:47.139 like drinking and drugs and your PR stuff, the 00:42:47.139 --> 00:42:50.139 JBC has a higher chance of taking it seriously 00:42:50.139 --> 00:43:02.340 here. Just for optics. Well, shall we leave it 00:43:02.340 --> 00:43:07.460 there? Yeah. Unless anybody else wants to throw 00:43:07.460 --> 00:43:13.699 anything out. I mean, are we out of time? No, 00:43:13.699 --> 00:43:17.639 we can keep going, but it's up to you. We got 00:43:17.639 --> 00:43:22.579 previews to do. Just a few. Yeah. Okay. All right. 00:43:22.619 --> 00:43:26.000 Let me put some notes in here. Oh, shit. On the 00:43:26.000 --> 00:43:29.139 social media stuff, LVX MediaNet, all one word. 00:43:29.340 --> 00:43:31.320 Hit us with a follow wherever it is you like 00:43:31.320 --> 00:43:34.840 to do your social media stuff. 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Jasmine 00:48:30.300 --> 00:48:36.800 Parr is a lady prospect coming out of Australia. 00:48:37.559 --> 00:48:41.480 Brock Jarvis, you may remember him. He's fighting 00:48:41.480 --> 00:48:50.119 again. Michael Zaroffa, still doing it. And at 00:48:50.119 --> 00:48:53.820 the top of the bill, the next great hope out 00:48:53.820 --> 00:48:57.250 of Australia, Nikita Zu. Younger brother of Tim. 00:48:57.429 --> 00:49:04.949 Okay, bro. Is he not the new hotness? Sam Goodman 00:49:04.949 --> 00:49:12.590 was last week. But there you go. That's the No 00:49:12.590 --> 00:49:16.809 Limit card. It'll be on... I'm not sure how to 00:49:16.809 --> 00:49:24.550 watch it. StreamEast. That whatever letters they're 00:49:24.550 --> 00:49:29.789 using. StreamEast .gd We're going to get banned 00:49:29.789 --> 00:49:33.469 for saying that shit, right? No, no. I'm saying 00:49:33.469 --> 00:49:37.530 hypothetically if I were going to pirate something 00:49:37.530 --> 00:49:42.389 which I'm not because I live in Australia and 00:49:42.389 --> 00:49:49.280 will pay for it legally I would not go to streameast 00:49:49.280 --> 00:49:55.139 .gb slash boxing dash streams to access this 00:49:55.139 --> 00:49:59.079 for free and I would not install uBlock Origin. 00:50:01.340 --> 00:50:08.260 I also do not like women. Hey, you said it, not 00:50:08.260 --> 00:50:18.320 me. Anyways. Allegedly. All right, let's keep 00:50:18.320 --> 00:50:22.599 it rolling. Friday, August 22nd. This is the 00:50:22.599 --> 00:50:26.159 prospect series for most valuable promotions. 00:50:26.480 --> 00:50:31.139 This will be on DAZN. Don't necessarily know 00:50:31.139 --> 00:50:34.260 who any of these people are. It should be a fun 00:50:34.260 --> 00:50:38.420 card, though. The matchmaking is always pretty 00:50:38.420 --> 00:50:43.760 good on these cards. Yeah. MVP doesn't pull punches. 00:50:44.300 --> 00:50:47.559 It's not Pro Box good because Pro Box is the 00:50:47.559 --> 00:50:50.440 fucking boom -boom saloon where, like, everything 00:50:50.440 --> 00:50:53.340 is super evenly matched. Obviously, MVP wants 00:50:53.340 --> 00:50:56.099 their prospects to win, but they're not slouches 00:50:56.099 --> 00:51:05.800 either. Moving on. Man, it's not the heaviest 00:51:05.800 --> 00:51:10.599 weekend. Saturday, August 23rd, Queensberry at 00:51:10.599 --> 00:51:17.280 Planet Ice. No one's watching this. Jack Rafferty 00:51:17.280 --> 00:51:19.300 versus Mark Chamberlain. That's your headline. 00:51:21.119 --> 00:51:24.719 If you're Lin, you're definitely going to be 00:51:24.719 --> 00:51:27.699 tuning in for all of it. I'm going to be cold 00:51:27.699 --> 00:51:29.920 and dead in the ground before I watch this shit. 00:51:32.400 --> 00:51:38.260 And once more, MVP at the Caribe Royale in Orlando. 00:51:39.400 --> 00:51:42.929 This is not... This is their fight night series, 00:51:43.130 --> 00:51:46.789 not the prospect. This is a good card. Yeah, 00:51:46.849 --> 00:51:49.510 there's some good names on here. This is an actual 00:51:49.510 --> 00:51:53.469 good card. Chris Avila and Ariel Perez should 00:51:53.469 --> 00:52:01.650 be fun. Lucas Body on the watch. Weirdly enough, 00:52:01.789 --> 00:52:05.710 I'm most interested in Jermaine Ortiz and Steve 00:52:05.710 --> 00:52:09.050 Claggett. That I'm looking forward to. That's 00:52:09.050 --> 00:52:15.059 for kids. That's actually pretty good. Jermaine 00:52:15.059 --> 00:52:19.739 Ortiz should totally win that, but... Claggett 00:52:19.739 --> 00:52:25.639 does put up a fight, at least. Very Trevor McCombie 00:52:25.639 --> 00:52:28.420 -esque type guy. I think Claggett sounds like 00:52:28.420 --> 00:52:30.619 such a throwback fighter, dude. Like someone, 00:52:30.679 --> 00:52:33.800 Muhammad Ali was fighting. An OG. Yeah, an OG, 00:52:33.900 --> 00:52:40.030 like, you know, like Jerry Cooley. Fuck is the 00:52:40.030 --> 00:52:42.710 guy who inspired Rocky again? What's his name? 00:52:45.710 --> 00:52:51.510 Not Billy Munn. Not Jerry Corey. Corey. Corey. 00:52:51.809 --> 00:52:54.050 Ugly Jerry Corey. No, no. Chuck Wepner. Chuck 00:52:54.050 --> 00:52:55.769 Wepner. Oh, Chuck Wepner. Chuck Wepner. Jerry 00:52:55.769 --> 00:52:58.369 Corey is different. He did fight Ali and lose 00:52:58.369 --> 00:53:01.670 miserably, but it was Chuck Wepner. Yeah. The 00:53:01.670 --> 00:53:08.269 guy in the red and blue shorts. Yeah. Looking 00:53:08.269 --> 00:53:13.929 at this, at the top two on the bill, it's a reminder 00:53:13.929 --> 00:53:19.769 that Islander Spanish is fucking wild. Oh, yeah. 00:53:20.050 --> 00:53:26.809 Yeah. So here are the names. Yankee El. And then 00:53:26.809 --> 00:53:32.010 Yo Enes. Fucking on the previous one, on the 00:53:32.010 --> 00:53:41.739 prospect card for MVP, Yo Elvis. What is happening 00:53:41.739 --> 00:53:48.380 here? I don't know. I just don't get it, I guess. 00:53:48.639 --> 00:53:53.760 But there you go. Man, that's all we got. That's 00:53:53.760 --> 00:53:57.300 all the previews. It's like we said, August is 00:53:57.300 --> 00:54:05.750 dire. Yeah. So we will see better days. Yeah, 00:54:05.789 --> 00:54:07.530 it's all right. September should be good. September. 00:54:08.250 --> 00:54:09.909 We'll be feasting from September to December, 00:54:10.030 --> 00:54:12.769 I think. Yeah. At least one good fight a month. 00:54:14.230 --> 00:54:17.989 You know? Yeah. I mean, in September, we got 00:54:17.989 --> 00:54:20.750 at least Canelo. October, we got Virgil and Boots. 00:54:20.750 --> 00:54:25.590 And then November, we got Homeboy. Vanavita. 00:54:26.190 --> 00:54:31.190 Yeah. And then December, I have... I can scratch 00:54:31.190 --> 00:54:39.750 my nuts, I guess. December, the... I mean, we 00:54:39.750 --> 00:54:41.789 were just talking about it, but the Japanese 00:54:41.789 --> 00:54:43.690 cards are usually really good. Actually, yeah, 00:54:43.730 --> 00:54:46.889 the New Year's card is going to be fire. December, 00:54:47.170 --> 00:54:51.610 Boxing Day, and New Year's. Always. They have 00:54:51.610 --> 00:54:55.969 just a week -long fight festival. They do kickboxing, 00:54:56.190 --> 00:55:03.070 boxing, wrestling. Man, the Japanese love their 00:55:03.070 --> 00:55:07.679 fighters, man. They love fighting. I wish boxing 00:55:07.679 --> 00:55:09.619 was like that over here. It would be really cool 00:55:09.619 --> 00:55:11.940 if we had something like that. Well, we just 00:55:11.940 --> 00:55:14.800 discussed it, but yes, in those aspects, yes. 00:55:16.420 --> 00:55:27.820 Oh, yeah. That's it. Let me do this. You've been 00:55:27.820 --> 00:55:29.980 listening to The Boxing B -Sides, a Lux Media 00:55:29.980 --> 00:55:32.400 production. 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It comes in waves. We will be 00:57:49.199 --> 00:57:53.619 eating again. Yeah, I think the beginning of 00:57:53.619 --> 00:58:01.460 the year got us a little too fat. Oh, yeah. Anyone 00:58:01.460 --> 00:58:08.079 else parting words? Don't watch the Queensberry 00:58:08.079 --> 00:58:14.840 card on the 23rd. Please. Go outside for a walk. 00:58:15.039 --> 00:58:20.440 Do anything. Yeah, that'll be a good for us. 00:58:22.090 --> 00:58:24.469 I stole Josh's line, pro box good. Let's go for 00:58:24.469 --> 00:58:27.329 it, Schofield. No pro box this week, that's why. 00:58:29.710 --> 00:58:36.150 Still, pro box good. Agree, actually. Well, if 00:58:36.150 --> 00:58:38.949 that's it, then that's it for this edition of 00:58:38.949 --> 00:58:41.289 the Boxing B -Sides. We'll see you on the other 00:58:41.289 --> 00:58:41.530 side.