The B -Side in boxing. B -Side shit. B -Side.
B -Side. And the B -Side. You got a B -Side.
The B -Side. B -Side. B -Side. B -Side. The B
-Side thing. This is the B -Sides Boxing Podcast.
Yeah, we already started, by the way. No intro.
Just roll. Nah, I still gotta do the... Boxing
B -sides. Boxing fucking B -sides. Boxing B -sides.
What mess was that before the clap? You're going
to have to go to fucking Patreon to find out.
Dude, eating three triple burgers, you're getting
the fucking clap. Jesus Christ. Dan Raphael.
Dan Raphael. Oh, man. Joined by the homies Saul
and Josh. How are you guys doing? We're good.
We're good, we're good. We also have our special
guest. Yeah, it's a crossover episode with Isaac.
Here we go again. The rematch. Still not quite
the B -sides versus casuals 2v2. But we all know
that B -Side wins because it's boxing, so, you
know. And boxing, yeah. Hey, we got tears. I
do love me some boxing. I do love me some boxing.
Yeah, you'd be surprised at how much boxing chatter
goes on over there. Yeah. I will be honest, though.
I will be honest that UFC these past couple weeks
hasn't mattered in boxing, though. I will say.
I got to hand it to you guys. Bro, this month,
August, has been dire for boxing. It's been the
most dire month of boxing in probably years,
dude. Honestly. It's been a long time. I don't
know, man. Matchroom Fight Camp was probably
the worst month I've ever had in my life of boxing.
When Eddie Hearn did that bullshit in his backyard.
Since the pandemic, yeah. Okay, this is the worst.
This is the worst. I was going to say, Fight
Camp... This is horseshit. They tried to pretend
that Alan Babbage was going to be... We got Alan
Babbage's rise where he proposed to his girlfriend
and shit after beating some drunk guy who was
sitting in a food truck 30 minutes before he
got out there. I mean, it's just a symptom of
a changing sport right now. That's why it's kind
of bad right now. Top Brain can't put on any
shows. Bold and Boy lacks, you know, fighters
to put on shows. Bold and Boy lacks everything.
Yeah, they lack everything. Matchroom, their
fighters just recently fought, or they're going
to be put on a rehab season fight. You know,
it was all downhill. It was all downhill when
Triller went out of business. That's when it
was downhill. That's a deep cut. The real Nexus
one. I can't. I heard. Angela would say BLK crime
on a podcast that's been stuck in my head for
years at this point. Well, I think we must be
woke then because we would never say that type
of shit. Yeah, we're left -wing grifting, guys.
We would never say BLK crime. Yeah. BLK crime.
Who would say that? No one would ever say that
to describe a shady money laundering front that
would give Terrence Crawford more money than
God. That is fucking nutty. We're going to get
fucking canceled. Saul, you mentioned symptoms
of a changing sport. So I wanted to ask the Ali
Act. What are they calling it? The Ali Revival?
Boxing Revival Act now? The changes that they're
proposing to it? The Muhammad Ali Boxing Revival
Act. There it is. Some bullshit. It actually
is bullshit. It is an attempt to screw over the
fighters. It's very blatant. That's what it's
trying to do. This is trying to change it to,
like, the UFC model, right? Yeah. Yeah, there's
going to be a minimum, but it also basically
gets rid of the, like, your promoter can't be
your manager shit. That was the whole purpose
of the act to begin with. It's bullshit, you
know? I don't know why they're trying to change
that shit. It's like, it basically throws out,
like, the... I think the boxing fan misunderstands
the purpose. The average boxing fan misunderstands
the purpose of the Muhammad Ali Act. Because
it's just like... The purpose isn't like a universal
act to help fighters. It's like a very specific
law meant to protect fighters from something
that's screwed over Muhammad Ali specifically.
And it's a really good act. Yeah, like the whole...
Like, the whole point of your manager not being
able to be your promoter as well is because it's
so you can have two A, two voices, as well as
your own, and so you don't get fucked. Like,
your manager is supposed to be in your best interest
and your promoter isn't. Yeah. But when they're
the same person, usually you get fucked over.
You have to fight Larry Holmes when you're fucking...
You have to fight Larry Holmes and Trevor Burbick
when you belong in a fucking literal care facility.
Exactly. Tim Witherspoon getting dragged out
of fucking rehab to fight a world title fight.
Larry Holmes basically made no fucking money
his whole career because of this guy. This act
exists not because... The whole pretense is like...
The reason why they're probably going to end
up passing the revival act is because people
don't know what the purpose of the original is.
Not even that. It's just they know why it's connected
to the White House. Yeah. No, but just, like,
in terms of the, like, court of public opinion,
I guess. Because, like, so many people would
just be like, see, fighters aren't protected
enough by the Muhammad Ali act. And I'm like,
no, that's not the point of it. The point is
so Bob Arum can't go, hey, I'm going to kill
your whole family if you don't fight. I don't
care that you're on drugs. They've been talking
about, we're going to make sure fighters have
full coverage insurance. I've seen it in the
UFC, man. The TKO thing, Dana White crossing
over into boxing. I've seen it, man. The pay
model is not good over there. They make a really
low percentage of the total revenue. It's not
good. Even the new minimum that they're going
to institute is lower than the actual minimum
in most states. Yeah. The minimum in most states
is a little lower than the proposed minimum in
the bill, but state minimums are after taxes.
versus the minimums that are proposed in the
bill where like let's say you take home 900 bucks
before for like a three or four rounder but that's
after taxes you take that home the way the the
bill structured is like okay it's a minimum thousand
bucks but then you have to pay taxes on all of
it is the take home does that include like paying
your coach and your cornerman and all that no
no so like so like like the whole part of the
argument used by like the tko stuff is oh these
guys only take home like 750 bucks for fighting
and i'm like but that's after everything's paid
for in some way because the state ensures that
right yeah and your man you have a manager who
is not your promoter who is acting in your best
interest. Right, the promoter acts in the best
interest of the event. Themselves. Right. But
the way the bill is structured, which is why
the UFC is so fucked, is that the promoter and
the manager are the exact same. The manager is
going to say, you're taking this cut, I'm basically
pocketing the rest. It is in the combined manager
-promoter's best interest to fuck you. I mean,
like you said, this is the issue. Not enough
people know what the act really is. So it's just
going to get blown by. People go, oh, Al -Hayman
violates the Muhammad Ali act. But the thing
is, all these fighters have managers that then
work through Hayman. Hayman is a manager for
some, right? Yeah, but then... Then you have
your, like, Lou DiBella. Like, then there's other
promoters. It's never... He's never in the same...
Samson, DiBella, yeah, Loeffler even, yeah. All
these guys... So that's what I mean. Like, because
of the act, it's not... Al Heyman is shaking
hands with himself on something. Right. He sits
at one end of the table only. Even if they all
have a cooperative relationship, the fighters
still end up getting the best deal they can.
as a result of this act. And we're just going
to turn that on its head. This is what fucking
Dana White's been waiting for, right? Yeah, like
he basically turns boxing into a fucking Walmart
job. In my opinion, I think TKO's is going to
become another boxing promotional company. Either
that or it's going to become like OTX. But it's
a net negative. if they get the act passed, though,
just because, like, let's assume, like, let's
assume PBC and, like, Al Heyman stay, like, with
the, like, the moral, like, well, mostly moral
cooperative arrangement they have, where, like,
he doesn't sit at both sides of the table at
one time. But, like, obviously, like, like, Frank
Warren and Bob Arum, it's the good old days again.
And, like... They're creaming at the thought
of that shit. Yeah, like, Bob Arum will live
another 20 years off of the fucking souls he
steals with those renegotiated contracts. Like,
that's what I mean, though. There's some guys
who, like... Notice the silence of Bob Arum right
now when it comes to this ad. Yeah, all the promoters
are quiet. Yeah. Like, PVC is, like, traditionally
quiet. They don't, like, again, they're going
to, the assumption, at least my assumption, is
that they're just going to continue operating
how they have been because, like, this relationship,
the relationship of, like, fighter, manager,
promoter for the last, like, 20 years has brought
them more cash than anyone else in the sport.
In revenue. So there's no reason to fix what
ain't broke. But I'm saying some of these other
promoters are just like, they're quiet because
if it passes, it's not just Dana who's going
to show up and reinvent the wheel. Everyone else
is just going to revert to, yeah, you're getting
paid potato chips and fighting who I want you
to when I want you to. Do you think we will see
a TKO belt be made within the next five years?
Oh, fuck no. Yes. Yes, but not in a way that,
like, matters. You think it would be, like, IBO
type? Like, just not legitimate? Not even IBO
type. It's, like, how... Below that, even. Like...
Because it won't even be, like, a regional belt
type thing. It's, like, those flashy, like...
Like, the YouTuber belt stuff. Like, the Misfits
belt. Oh, like the Aztec belt. Yeah, like it's
a ceremonial belt. You know how they do the BMF
belt? Yeah. Yeah, that's basically the equivalent
for it. They're going to get, like, two guys
who just do fucking rock 'em, sock 'em robots
who aren't great to fight each other, and they're
going to be like, this is the best fighter. Or
this is the most exciting fighter. UFC's already
put their hands in boxing already, dude. Fucking
Dana White with the bypass. Yeah, but it's basically
just more shit to put on Fight Pass so he doesn't
have to fill those dates. That's different. And
the boxing that's on Fight Pass is run by the
promoters that are signed to it. Yeah. 360 Promotions.
They put the events on. So the pay and stuff
is not... It's basically Dana White... paying
those guys for the license to put it on Fight
Pass so he doesn't have to fill dates and content.
It's not Dana White directly organizing it. So
this one, he's going to be like building it.
Yeah. Isaac, how do you feel about, and be honest,
be honest. We won't clown you or anything. Be
completely honest. How do you feel about Dana
White being in boxing? Dude, I mean, this is,
I mean, I'll be the first one to say, dude, I
hate Dana White. He does in UFC, like it's, like,
I mean, I sort of am worried about boxing. I've
seen how he's completely like whitewashed the
sport of MMA. I mean, just complete, complete
like monopoly. The fighter pay super low. I mean,
the UFC, the quality of UFC content has been
going down the drain in, you know, in recent
years. It's just, everything just feels like.
It's just like sanitized almost. It's just like,
you know, not really like any vibes to it. I'm
sort of worried what he's going to do to boxing.
Yeah, yeah. What's weird, weirdly enough, what
White ended up... The weird clash that is kind
of like, at least it's a little obvious to me
that is going to end up happening, is going to
be that Dana's going to run shit like he does
in the UFC and into the ground in terms of entertainment
quality. But remember that, like, Turkey isn't
here to make money. He's here to play with his
action figures. So I think that's where the disconnect's
gonna happen, because Dana's gonna be trying
to make money from these events, and Turkey's
gonna be like, what the fuck? Why aren't my action
figures fighting? Well, I will say this, that
fucking these first, this first TKO event, dude,
is fucking ass. It is so buns. Seriously. Like,
they have... I'm not saying he's playing with
his... I'm not saying Turkey is good at playing
with his action figures. We saw that. We're seeing
this with the ring events. I understand. This
guy is... I'm just talking about the event itself.
Yeah. No, it's dog shit. It is dog shit. They
have Colin Walsh fighting Fernando Vargas as
the co -main. The co -main event, rather than
Christian Ability versus Lester Martinez, which
is a really good fight, I would say. Very good.
But they have fucking Kyle Walsh versus Fernando
Vargas Jr., a fucking Marv Nation fighter. A
goddamn Marv Nation fighter. I'm not saying Turkey
is any good at playing with his action figures,
but at some point, Turkey will want to continue
playing with his action figures, and Dana will
want to cut down on pay and shit, and then that's
the disconnect. Because then you're not going
to be able to track any fighters. Yeah, like
you can't just throw money and make your action
figures fight. You're going to actually have
to think and make it work. And I don't think
Turkey wants to do that, but Dana will. That's
where the disconnect is going to happen. I think
Dana's doomed to fail in boxing just because
the horse he's hitched his wagon to is literally
only here to play with action figures and nothing
else. It's sad. It's very sad. Like, if Dana
hitched his ride with, like, Blatnovik, for example,
like, back when Blatnovik was bankrolling Matrim
USA and shit, that's when you would have seen
this be a much more disastrous occurrence. Because
Blatnovik actually wanted to make money back.
Eventually, by building up... He put his faith
in Eddie Hearn, so it didn't work out. But Blatnovik's
end goal was to build up Matchroom USA and DAZN
as a power broker in boxing and make that money
back. And, like, we go from paying fighters a
lot to very little. I don't think it'll happen
here just because, like, the Russian oligarchs
can run out of money. Until Saudi Arabia runs
out of oil and slaves, the money is literally
endless. Damn. And that's where Dana White's
going to fail, just because Turkey would rather
his name be praised by nerds on Reddit and Twitter
for making a fight happen than to save... the
money because at the end of the day it's like
it's a it's a pr project and not uh it's a pr
project that he happens to be invested in within
the way like a 13 year old's invested in fights
rather than like a business the business is the
oil are we serious Not really. We are definitely
conspiracy theorists, but it makes sense, right?
Putting it this way, that Dana won't succeed
now, but he could have succeeded when DAZN was
starting up. That's true. Just because, yeah,
the way I've been describing the bubble bursting
isn't in the sport is doomed way. It's in Turkey
gets bored and leaves. The sport just needs to
be lifted up with a couple TV deals. Again. I
feel like with fucking TKO, the biggest problem
is he's going to be fighting talent. Because
in all honesty, I really doubt that they're going
to be getting any good talent, any exciting talent
that they can make stars. Because the other promotional
companies that have been here for decades now
are struggling already to find stars. It also
doesn't help that, like, everyone knows about
Dana White and, like, because, like, the scam
with Don King is that, like, despite all of what
he does with fighters, like, he has his glory
days where he ran the sport, right? So he can
pull the scam on someone very stupid being like,
look, I can take you to these heights. I've done
it before. But with Dana White, his entire career
has been boxing is dead, boxing is dead, boxing
is dead. So, like, I don't think any, like, star
is stupid enough to fall for it with Dana White
compared to Don King. I feel like even Jake Paul
is a better fucking mother than... That's true.
But that's because Jake Paul... Jake, like, say
what you will about Jake Paul, though, because,
like, he doesn't have to invest in women's boxing
and all things. He totally could have just bought
a bunch of young prospects. He does have a prospect
series. He does, but I'm saying in terms of,
like, the headlining. Oh, right. Like, he could
have totally purchased, like, at the point where
he was starting up, Boots was a pretty cheap
contract. Virgil was a pretty, like, these guys
had pretty, like, Boots was a pretty cheap contract
because he was fight by fight with PBC. Virgil,
I don't know. He was the golden boy. Yeah, so
you could have probably bought him out, honestly.
Yeah. Young guys like fucking Schofield. You
pick up all the third rack young, exciting guys
and you start a promotion if you're Jake Paul
and have that money. But instead, he decided
to actually build a superior product. He has
most of women's boxing in his stable. So that's
what I mean. It's very good and impressive that
he took his time building a quality promotion
in a pretty ethical way when realistically he
probably could have just bought his way in. Yeah.
I may have that wrong though. Jake Paul is one
of the more ethical. Promoters in the sport,
I will say. Yeah. I think the only complaint
I've seen is, like, Ashton Sylvie being like,
they released me after I lost horribly. And slammed
the guy who won. And I'm like, that's just the
business sometimes. Unfortunately, that's the
business sometimes. I mean, that's what they
did with Anthony Sims Jr. But the thing is that
the complaint is that they released him. Not
that they didn't pay him or blacklist him or
anything. Well, no, they did kind of blacklist
Anthony Simms Jr. just a little bit. No, I'm
saying the complaint for us, Ashton Silvey, about
MVP. Oh, yeah. Yeah, like, if you think about
it, all they did is say, hey, you're not an MVP
fighter anymore, and it's not like we're not
paying you. And, like, you know, the usual we're
not paying you, you're blacklisted, don't even
show up to your gym. Back in the old days. That
is cooked. MVP is rather ethical. I'm not against
Jake Paul in the sport. I'll sit through the
bullshit if it means we have another promoter
that actually has some vision in the space. He's
done a crazy amount for women's boxing. I mean,
it was on a Netflix card. I mean, they do big
events. I mean, that was insanely massive. And
it's not like he only sticks, like, Serrano on
his undercards. Like, he literally specifically
let her shine in three events. As well as promoting
other women on his cards. Like, now he has, he
signed Savannah Marshall, right? Most recently.
And Terry Harper. Alicia Baumgartner. That too.
You have all of women's boxing. It's good. Let's
move to Tank and his charges being dropped. Domestic
violence. Yeah. I'm not sure what else to say
besides what a piece of shit. Yeah. The thing
is, I feel like he still did it. Which time?
He's done it in the past. History would support
that, yeah. He already has a case. It's on the
video, too, where he's choking that one woman
out of the basketball game. I don't know. I don't
know. Tank sucks. He's still probably the most
entertaining watch in our sport. I disagree.
In terms of, like, atmosphere for the fights?
I'm not saying in terms of pure fighting style.
I'm saying just, like, as an event. Yeah, I mean,
he's still a big star. He's a big star. I don't
know. I mean, number -wise, I think... Just as
an event, like, you don't need to build under...
Like, everyone else, you still have to sort of
build an undercard. Tank, you don't have to build
an undercard. Yeah, I mean, as soon as I started,
he was probably one of the biggest stars in the
sport, of course. You just don't have to build.
An atmosphere, like, I think, honestly, I hate
to say it, but, like, I think those brick cards,
dude, those brick, like, an Anthony Joshua fight,
dude, they get fucking turned up, dude. Type
shit, dude. Oh, they do. Yeah, dude. I don't
know. The fights... I'm just considering, like,
quality of the fighter, quality of the fight,
and, like, the... like, the event. Because it's
not just the event, it's, like, fight week and
everything in Vegas or Baltimore or wherever.
Yeah, we'll see. It kind of gives you, like,
an old feeling, like how it used to be back in
the day. Yeah, like, Tank is a bit of an old
-school star. You don't even, like, again, just
the fact that, like, you can say there's a Tank
fight on this day, you don't have to give a fuck
about the undercard. Yeah. Like, even with, like,
Canelo, AJ, you still, like, you still, like,
ah, the undercard's really fucking stinky. Maybe
I don't buy that, right? No. With Tank? No, but
even for us, if they say, yeah, Tank's fighting
Roach again, we're watching it. Oh, yeah, for
sure. Numbers -wise. Canelo Crawford, for comparison,
we're here. We just complained about how Mbili
isn't higher up on the card. I'm still going
to watch the fight. That's an amazing fight.
Yeah, but it's a dialogue. There's a dialogue
about the undercard that's present for these
other guys that is never present for Tank because
Tank is the show. He's the whole show. So as
much as Tank sucks, he's a very... His presence
kind of shows how a star should be. People like...
He has good undercards, but the thing is that
they're not stuck on to make it... They're not
necessary. They're not necessary. You could put
a bunch of British domestic title fights on a
fucking tank fight in Baltimore. And you know
what? It's still packed by the time he hits the
ring. Yeah. Yeah, sure. I don't think that's
something that any other fighter in the sport
has. You don't you just don't need you don't
even need to talk about the tank undercard. You
can say tank is fighting and The interest is
there. No, I disagree. I think you know is the
one that is the dominant I think it was a piece
of the sport frankly Numbers wise yes, but if
I'm saying in terms of like like You still care
about who Canelo's opponent is. You still care
about the undercard. With Tank, it's just Tank's
fighting. Well, we can't act like we weren't
complaining about Roach before the fight. I mean,
come on. Yeah, but we're still watching. Yeah,
we're still watching. I was still watching Canelo's
school. Yeah, no, I'm not saying Skull. I'm saying,
like, John Ryder and Berlanga. Like, I didn't
watch him fight John Ryder. That's what I mean.
You have to draw the line somewhere. But with
Tank, it's very... He would have to be fighting
grade schoolers for me to not tune in. The thing
is that I think you're kind of underestimating
the casual audience of the Mexican community.
They will turn up with Canelo no matter what.
They always turn up with Canelo. It's known when
Canelo fights. I don't know. I've had casual...
I don't know. it's i know it's highly anecdotal
but like casual friends in real life went from
like like they know whenever tank fights they
don't they won't know who the he's fighting they
didn't even know rolly when he fought rolly but
they knew tank was fighting but with canelo lately
it's like oh is he still fighting like no hopers
uh and it helps that like it the platform he's
on is not great either the platforms he's been
on which is part of it But I'm saying, like,
at this moment, like, a tank fight has more allure
than a Canelo fight. And, like, yeah, there was
a point a couple years ago where it was the opposite.
Basically, Canelo was the face, but you can only
do bum of the month so much while there's another
guy who... Matt, I can guarantee you that Canelo's
skull probably did just as much as Tank Roach.
I can guarantee you that. Yeah. And that's what
fucking William Skoll did. I mean, that's probably
the most unknown fighter that Camilo's ever faced.
Yeah, but he had a nice record, though. He stole
the face of the sport. People will come out to
watch him no matter what. No matter what, dude.
People are going to watch him. That's just how
it is. That's how it is. I know. For Mexicans,
we see that as an opportunity to have a day of
partying, you know? It's a party. I just don't.
I just think the broader American paying audience
is what I'm getting at, really. Because it's
just, like, Canelo fights seem like an inconvenience
now, not to watch, just because the undercard's
going to be shit. It's going to be under zone,
and they're going to trap me into a nine -month
contract where they refuse to let me cancel,
and I have to report them for fraud. I mean,
if you think about it, what was the last time
you think about a good fighter that, like, people
were actually excited for? It's Ryan, you know?
Well, you're just thinking, like, guys, well,
there's Ryan and Roach. People were excited for
Roach, man. Like, people show up. And Hector
Garcia, like, I'm not saying, like, hard cores.
I'm saying, like, guys I'm at work with. We'll
be like, I don't really want to watch the Canelo
fight. It's tough to watch. But, like, Tank's
fighting, they got it. They'll find illegal streams.
It's just, like, it's hard. It's largely anecdotal
on my end, but it's like Tank is the whole show.
Canelo is starting to have to need a good opponent.
I will say that I think where we're both at is
pretty biased because you... Where I live? is
mainly Hispanic, you know, Mexican community.
It doesn't... Every time Canelo fights, dude,
the grocery stores are packed. It doesn't help.
For one reason, one reason only. It doesn't help
the Mexican communities that, like, when I go
and visit Mexico, these guys fucking hate Canelo.
They're, like, the most Marco Antonio Barrera
and Salvador Sanchez glazers you'll ever see.
The big majority of Canelo's fanbase is Mexican
-Americans. I go to Mexico and visit my grandparents
and it's like, fuck, is that ginger fuck still
fighting? They're old school, you know? I miss
when a real fighter like Eric Morales was on
TV and you could watch him for free. Yeah, they're
just old school. They're just old school. But
that's what I mean, though. It's probably just
our lived experiences that lead us to... Similar
conclusions with different guys. I don't know.
What are the other posts at the call thing in
this pod? Do you guys think Canelo's bigger star
than Tank right now or what? Yes. Yeah, right
now, yeah. Like, numbers -wise, I think Canelo's
probably still doing the most numbers. I mean,
my main point wasn't - My main point - Oh, we
got a little lost. My main point was that, like,
as much Tank sucks as a person, the sport needs
him. No, yeah, we need all the stars we can get
no matter what. The sport really needs him because
he is the whole package as a star. And the controversy,
again, I hate to call it controversy. He's just
a fucking criminal. Yeah. But, like, the presence
in the sport is needed, unfortunately. That's
my main thing. Like, the sport needs him. I mean,
sports always had bad guys, you know. Sports
never had. There's been a time where there's
been ethical guys running around. Boxing, man.
It's guys who hit each other in the face with
promoters who try to pay them less at every opportunity.
That's just how it is. I think we've got to keep
it rolling here. Let's keep it rolling. I'll
let you go with that. Based on time... Well,
we can quickly go over the next item on the news
rumors and skip straight to previews because
there's literally nothing. Yeah. We can just
skip the break glass and save it. All right.
So there is some Japanese boxers are dying at
a pretty alarming rate. And the only move I've
seen so far is that the Japanese Boxing Commission
has lowered their regional title fights from
12 to 10 rounds. And that's about it. One of
the fighters that's currently, I think, in a
medically induced coma was on an 8 -rounder.
Yeah. The other one that died was on a 12, I
think, is the case. It's just a stark reminder
that this isn't a fucking game. Yeah, you don't
play this shit. This isn't a game. This is brutal,
man. The past a little bit of judgment from my
soapbox that we have the luxury of sitting on.
I don't think the issue is the rounds as much
as it is just the culture. Yeah, absolutely.
And I don't mean the culture of, like, never
say die in a fight, because if it was never say
die in a fight, then a lot of other, basically
everywhere but the United Kingdom would have
this issue, right? But the issues in the culture
and training, because those sparring death matches
all the time with little recovery time in between
sparring is what causes a lot of this. Because
if you just keep sparring and sparring and sparring
hard, when you're on a weight cut, your brain
literally has no opportunity to recover and rehydrate
before a fight. because of the sparring culture
even you get shook in sparring you know like
in the like i'm gonna say in the west we have
it's still bad sometimes like but we have a lot
relaxed sparring culture where first of all sparring
is you're not out to kill each other most of
the time yeah you're training you're training
you're getting better you're sharpening up but
even then you spar once twice a week You're not
sparring every single day of training to the
death, pretty much. And that's the difference.
You show up halfway to death's door, both from
your weight cut, from whatever damage you carry
from sparring, and the turnover between fights,
that gives you no chance to even recover. So
you're carrying, like, three, four consecutive
camps of weight on yourself. and your weight
cuts before stepping into the ring. And the culture
from a refereeing, coaching, and fighter standpoint
is to go out on your shield. So fundamentally,
I know it's big to say from a soapbox, and you
guys can disagree if you want, but the culture
around sparring needs to change in Japan. I agree.
I don't know how they would regulate. JBC is
very strict on this stuff. Whenever they put
their minds to something, they're extremely strict.
I'm sure there's some way to regulate. If you
don't want to regulate the intensity of sparring
because that's difficult, you can regulate the
amount of sparring that is done. the same way
they regulate like even the most minor drug offenses
and they used to regulate tattoos like they've
it's a lot it's like tracking sparring like amount
of times you spar is surely easier than regulating
whether a guy has a tattoo or not or who he associates
with in his free time or whether he's smoking
a joint in his house like it's a matter of willingness
to regulate and change the sparring culture and
i think part of the changes need to be like at
least for a period guys need to be more willing
to stop fights like the culture needs to change
too it's okay to live another day to change the
sparring culture But again, I don't have the
answers. We sit on, we sit in a soapbox across
the world. Armchair analysts. That's just my
point of view. Seeing, um, like having fought
in the amateurs, not really sparring that much
and not like having a relaxed, being part of
a relaxed sparring culture and then seeing how
they treat it over there. The only time sparring
ever got hard for me was when, like, if you're
doing something wrong, then, like, a bad habit,
that's how they break it, is, like, whenever
you don't pull your hand back into your guard,
and, you know, like, people on mitts, like, they'll
slap you on the face or something. Yeah. But
it's something like that. I think it was very,
for myself, it was mostly technical, light, like,
we're working on something specific sparring,
and then... very occasionally like basically
right as fight camp is peaking but enough time
they always gave us we always had two to three
weeks with no sparring before an amateur fight
like no like hard contact but right at the peak
we'd always like have a couple hard three round
spars just to like you know simulate fight momentum
But the recovery time was always there. And again,
if it got out of hand, it wasn't just I'm wailing
on a guy or I'm getting wailed on. The culture
was always you either pull it back, you lower
the intensity a bit, or you just put a plug in
it. And I think that's something that is absent
in the culture. Very well thought out hypothesis.
Yeah. Like, it's not provable because it's a
social thing, but if the JBC really wants to,
they need to start regulating how many times
guys spar. But anyways, any other thoughts, fellas?
I fully agree. I mean, hopefully for the fighters'
sake, they can make some changes, like meaningful
changes. Yeah. At this point in the last year
and a half, maybe two years, there have been
a handful of deaths. Something's got to change.
Something serious has to change. Do you guys
think there is going to be any change, though?
Honestly, no. I think I'm a little more optimistic
just because again, Japan is a more fair weather
culture, I'd say, like, as a country. I feel
like just the fact that two happened, like, this
incident was repeated on the same card. The same
way they regulate stuff like the tattoos and
who you associate with and, like, small things
like drinking and drugs and your PR stuff, the
JBC has a higher chance of taking it seriously
here. Just for optics. Well, shall we leave it
there? Yeah. Unless anybody else wants to throw
anything out. I mean, are we out of time? No,
we can keep going, but it's up to you. We got
previews to do. Just a few. Yeah. Okay. All right.
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first wednesday august 20th in sydney australia
uh Let's see. There's a few on here. Jasmine
Parr is a lady prospect coming out of Australia.
Brock Jarvis, you may remember him. He's fighting
again. Michael Zaroffa, still doing it. And at
the top of the bill, the next great hope out
of Australia, Nikita Zu. Younger brother of Tim.
Okay, bro. Is he not the new hotness? Sam Goodman
was last week. But there you go. That's the No
Limit card. It'll be on... I'm not sure how to
watch it. StreamEast. That whatever letters they're
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I also do not like women. Hey, you said it, not
me. Anyways. Allegedly. All right, let's keep
it rolling. Friday, August 22nd. This is the
prospect series for most valuable promotions.
This will be on DAZN. Don't necessarily know
who any of these people are. It should be a fun
card, though. The matchmaking is always pretty
good on these cards. Yeah. MVP doesn't pull punches.
It's not Pro Box good because Pro Box is the
fucking boom -boom saloon where, like, everything
is super evenly matched. Obviously, MVP wants
their prospects to win, but they're not slouches
either. Moving on. Man, it's not the heaviest
weekend. Saturday, August 23rd, Queensberry at
Planet Ice. No one's watching this. Jack Rafferty
versus Mark Chamberlain. That's your headline.
If you're Lin, you're definitely going to be
tuning in for all of it. I'm going to be cold
and dead in the ground before I watch this shit.
And once more, MVP at the Caribe Royale in Orlando.
This is not... This is their fight night series,
not the prospect. This is a good card. Yeah,
there's some good names on here. This is an actual
good card. Chris Avila and Ariel Perez should
be fun. Lucas Body on the watch. Weirdly enough,
I'm most interested in Jermaine Ortiz and Steve
Claggett. That I'm looking forward to. That's
for kids. That's actually pretty good. Jermaine
Ortiz should totally win that, but... Claggett
does put up a fight, at least. Very Trevor McCombie
-esque type guy. I think Claggett sounds like
such a throwback fighter, dude. Like someone,
Muhammad Ali was fighting. An OG. Yeah, an OG,
like, you know, like Jerry Cooley. Fuck is the
guy who inspired Rocky again? What's his name?
Not Billy Munn. Not Jerry Corey. Corey. Corey.
Ugly Jerry Corey. No, no. Chuck Wepner. Chuck
Wepner. Oh, Chuck Wepner. Chuck Wepner. Jerry
Corey is different. He did fight Ali and lose
miserably, but it was Chuck Wepner. Yeah. The
guy in the red and blue shorts. Yeah. Looking
at this, at the top two on the bill, it's a reminder
that Islander Spanish is fucking wild. Oh, yeah.
Yeah. So here are the names. Yankee El. And then
Yo Enes. Fucking on the previous one, on the
prospect card for MVP, Yo Elvis. What is happening
here? I don't know. I just don't get it, I guess.
But there you go. Man, that's all we got. That's
all the previews. It's like we said, August is
dire. Yeah. So we will see better days. Yeah,
it's all right. September should be good. September.
We'll be feasting from September to December,
I think. Yeah. At least one good fight a month.
You know? Yeah. I mean, in September, we got
at least Canelo. October, we got Virgil and Boots.
And then November, we got Homeboy. Vanavita.
Yeah. And then December, I have... I can scratch
my nuts, I guess. December, the... I mean, we
were just talking about it, but the Japanese
cards are usually really good. Actually, yeah,
the New Year's card is going to be fire. December,
Boxing Day, and New Year's. Always. They have
just a week -long fight festival. They do kickboxing,
boxing, wrestling. Man, the Japanese love their
fighters, man. They love fighting. I wish boxing
was like that over here. It would be really cool
if we had something like that. Well, we just
discussed it, but yes, in those aspects, yes.
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Parting words. Isaac, kick us off here. Yeah,
I mean, I'm just going to say, like, I've been
through this. multiple times. I mean, it comes
in waves. You know, you have like these really
light weeks for stretchers, but Mike Salsa at
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